Everyone is mad at Mojang ... for the 1000th time.
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2023
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The latest snapshot changes the functionality of Copper Bulbs and Crafters, reverting a change that the redstone community was eager to use.
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To clear up a few things from this video. Odd gt dealys were still possible before copper bulb but they were bigger and clunky. They either involved pistons (which take 3gt) leaves or scaffolding.
However, on bedrock edition, redstone only runs on 10 tps (even the odd gt things i mentioned above) so it is impossible to get odd delays on bedrock. There is a running theory that me and the technical community believe that the main reason the bulb got updated to be instant rather than have a 1gt delay was because of bedrocks inability to handle odd delay. Mojangs approch to parity is to just make all the new features "similar enough" and ignore the actual root problems of parity, one of them being bedrocks literal half speed redstone.
Also Crafty Crafter Counter mentioned LOL
Bundles and now redstone got scrapped because they don't know how to fix bedrock, damn
Thank you for explaining this in a bit more detail.
so, in short:
Bedrock edition was a mistake
@@TheAuthorStudioswhy bedrock edition cant have same features as Java? Ik it is coded different but we still can have Java features in bedrock but mojang is lazy to do stuff I guess,
@@mindset2047As a programmer, my guess is that Bedrock has messy code and bad tools. That can lead to simple changes breaking the entire code base, so Mojang opted to just remove the 1 tick instead of completely rewriting Bedrock.
On one hand that's practical in this case, but on the other... THIS KEEPS HAPPENING! However, I'm pretty sure they mentioned that they're working on parity tools at Minecraft Live so maybe one day Bedrock will stop being a hindrance to Java and Java can get a better Wither fight.
The problem with this consistency thing is: how are people gonna find new and unique uses for these blocks if they behave exactly like other blocks? We dont want "consistent" blocks, we want unique blocks that unlock new possibilities
The 1 tick delay was so good, those who built PC's on Minecraft were going to create a next Gen of processors with that
And the worst part about them saying it cuz of "consistency" is that they aren't even consistent
THe quality of the sandbox is determined by the sand and the tools you have at your disposal.
@@petervarga2399yeah if they're gonna bitch about consistency they have to fix bedrock redstone because that shit is everything BUT consistent
The crafter change makes me sad, because it was super good for crafting dispensers.
But the copper bulb one needs to change. Having lighting updates on something so revolutionary is a nightmare. Useful redstone needs more emphasis on not having lighting updates. Wires emitting light was a mistake.
They need *something else* that can do 1GT delay
Mojang: Asks for community feedback
Community: Gives feedback
Mojang: >:(
@@plagueking6559You're really comparing a whale with a mouse..
@@TedSh yeah true but hey
How it really went:
Mojang: Asks for community feedback
Community: >:(
Mojang hasn't even had a chance to respond yet... This is only on the latest snapshot.
@@uberculex except they already saw the positive feedback to 1 tick delay? and also except mojang doesn't listen to feedback, as we saw with chat reporting?
@@JackWilkebot
Crazy to me that mojang sees the entire redstone community get really hyped for a new block and their first thought is "OH GOD GO BACK GO BACK"
they're scared of what the community can do with their smarts
The twice as fast sand machine still has 1 tick delays tho? Just remove every other piston
@@broor it's 2 tick delay
@@xenird then it wouldnt move twice as fast though
@@xenird@broor it's 0 tick delay. No delay at all. Not from the copper bulbs at least
if they don't revert this change, I feel like 1 gt copper bulbs are going to quickly become another almost standard vanilla tweaks mod
it 100% will be a setting in carpet at least
leave it to modders to fix what mojang messed up
@@tripdrakony869Create mod fixed cogs, and now Quark 2 will fix copper bulb
@@tripdrakony869if you don't play Minecraft with mods you're making a mistake. Modders are the real devs
@@dmwanderer9454which sucks cause the more they update the game the more mods become fractured
@@tripdrakony869 Mojang becomes more and more like Bethesda every year, broken promises that modders have to fix themselves
Mojang: "Minecraft is a game for people of all ages!"
Community: *provides detailed feedback and suggestions to help improve the game*
Also Mojang: "It's just a children's game, bro"
Yes, people say "Why do you care, it's a children's game" when you criticize bad decisions
When you can just ask them if it's just a kids game then why do you like it?
Surely mojang actually expressed this opinion and this comment is not just drivel.
@@dementionalpotato Lately my ass has been leaking brown fluid while I sleep, and when I wake up it smells horrible. Do you know how I can fix it?????
@@kramkrum3672I’m pretty sure that would be called diarrhea. If it’s happening during your sleep it may have something to do with whatever you may be eating. Other than that I have no clue.
@@kramkrum3672my bad
mojang two years earlier: "we won't make iron rust like copper because we want every feature to have a unique mechanic"
mojang now: "this new redstone block has a unique mechanic so we are going to strip it away for consistency"
ngl, the one thing Mojang is consistent at consists of its inconsistency with regards to inconsistencies in the game
Raid Mojat
My theory is because they can’t get a 1t delay to work properly in bedrock edition, and the bug report is unrelated to the action problem
Are they having managment changes or smth? Feel like their getting dumber and dumber with each year
its copper it had to be stripped its it's whole gimmick
Mojang has really taken a down turn lately. If the Copper Bulb thing happened with another block in 2012, they would've kept it, and made it into a feature. Heck, that's being a little rude even, because a similar thing happened with the Target Block with it interacting with Redstone in an unintended way and they kept it.
There was absolutely Zero reason to change this. None.
It’s not Mojang, it’s the oversight from Microsoft. Same thing has happened to MtG since Hasbro acquired Wizards. The people who know how to make the game are forced to take stupid instructions from people who don’t and have to just make the best they can out of it.
@@joebykaebyIt’s not Microsoft. They usually give their acquisitions a lot of free rein in how they work on their games. And regardless, Microsoft wouldn’t be worried about ‘block consistency’ and random redstone stuff anyways, *if* they were gonna get involved with anything it would be with Minecraft’s monetization
It's not mojang if they aren't making another controvercial change that wasn't even that necessary.
@@julianpottermusic Microsoft is definitely not making decisions about block timings or game specifics, but they are deciding who’s in charge of what, the things that they are and aren’t allowed to do, when they have to release things by, and what the constraints are for budget and scope.
@@joebykaebyCope its Mojang. The only thing Microsoft cares about is the games monetization and the whole Microsoft account thing. This is all Mojang
I love how the community is finally starting to stand up for itself (ex: the mob vote) and mojang is just confused as why their community isn’t picture perfect 💀
Mojang devs when the rlly cool addition is actually liked by the community:
The minecraft community when the things they liked and have been showcased wasn’t added (fireflies/rigged mobvotes)
#DownWithMojang
#StopTheMobVote
how long before Mojang starts calling the players "a vocal minority" and "toxic fans"
@@jacobmatthews7524If Mojang publicly smack-talks their own community, I would definitely think of them more highly than I do right now. That's hilarious.
Mojang: “you like this, redstone engineers?”
Redstone engineers: “yeah, we really do, actually!”
Mojang: “well you can’t have it.”
Redstone engineers: “Wait wha-“
They indirectly don't hear our opinions
@@Lurcays indirectly? they straight up don't care
Monjang
Raid Mojang
Repeaters have 2, 4, 6, 8, so bulbs could have 1, 3, 5, 7
I’m not a redstone player, BUT, I recognize the immense genius and ingenuity they possess. I am deeply frustrated this incredible power was taken away from them.
I almost wonder if this could make flying machines faster…
@@ShockInazuma It could, if the fastest flying machines weren't already at max speed.
Same here. I know nothing about redstone, but after Phoenix's example, I'm angry such a revolutionary mechanic was taken away.
@@contraption8or633Tho I guess it could be smaller!
thank god, it would have made many features redundant and caused massive performance issues all because "machine cool tho"
real talk: does anyone have any idea why mojang keeps doing this? i genuinely can't think of a way that constantly doing the OPPOSITE of what the community wants can be beneficial. it's not like they're being lazy or anything, they are *going out of their way* to update things in a way nobody wants.
edit: hey guys, i understand everyone's frustrated with the new updates, but maybe chill out a bit? it's okay to be upset, but calling the developers "psychopaths" and "morons" is a bit much.
Devs are shitty
completely out of touch. it seems like they WANT minecraft to be purely a kids game. just look at the way they speak in every minecraft live or other vids - they are CONSTANTLY talking like they would to a 5 year old. the fact that lots and lots of adults play the game, and almost all of the endgame features and redstone overall are only used by adults, is something they seemingly dont understand
It feels like genuine malice on Mojang’s part at this rate.
I feel like they most likely see us now as “just dumb consumers that don’t know what they actually want so we’ll show them” it’s like a parent ignoring their kid because they think they know what’s best for them even if all the kid wants is something to eat
@@thahoule7924 This right here. They are probably _creeped out_ by the fact that adults play their game, and even more when adults complain to them about the features
Honestly, I feel like someone should step in and _force_ Mojang to keep the 1 tick delay on copper bulbs
this is why i love java, if something doesnt match what we wants someone possibly already made the mods or even datapacks to revert it back
who?
honestly giving people enough time to show cool contraptions people could have made with the copper bulb would have probably egged on mojang to keep the change instead of changing it without telling anyone
That, my good sir, would require a gun, mask and 100lbs of c4 (optional)
@@uliveulearnandregretthat already happend tho lol
It would be a good idea if the copper bulbs would change the tick speed depending on how oxydized they are.
nah that would be too hard for mojang indie studio, remember we minecraft fans have no standards and we eat up every slop that mojang throws at us
I think it's a great idea! However unlikely.
@@eliescobis9922 nah I found the modern update better then the past Minecraft update like 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.5, 1.6, 1.10, 1.12 & 1.15
I was wondering if it could be done with block states only, and then I remembered about the repeater. I hope we at least get a mod that does it.
@@eliescobis9922then why the fuck are you still here? Does the game’s EULA say you’re supposed to keep playing the game forever or something?
Im just confused as to why Mojang would make an almost perfect item from the start, allowing for game-changing mechanics, only to change them and make literally everyone mad.
It’s because of a single “bug” report that complained the copper bulb operated faster than droppers/hoppers. Some moron made this report and mojang paid attention to it instead of the overwhelmingly positive response to the bulbs behavior.
@@DigitalWolverinehonestly who tf was it and why it bothered him/her
Because "bedrock parity"
Because they are paycheck thiefs with ZERO TALENT
@@mindset2047Jipesnl because they think crafter blocks should be consistent with all redstone ticks
and like always the modding community will pick up where mojang fell short
typical take modding community 1 week while it takes Mojang 1 year to implement simple stuff
Honestly I don't mind the crafter getting a delay added to it, I feel like in it's previous state it was a bit over powered. They should not have changed the copper bulb though. There were so many interesting uses for it and the possibility that this comes from an avoidance of fixing deep rooted issues in Bedrock is frustrating.
"fixing deep rooted issues in Bedrock"
you mean optimizations
as that is probably the root of that limitation
Who cares if it was overpowered? It was fun, just leave it
The old crafter was an excellent tick counter among other things. Now we don't have that function anymore
@durandle9226 not just optimization, the game is so broken on a fundamental level - I've never had issues with minecraft crashing until they moved from console-specific version to the bedrock network. I've Uninstalled it from both my phone and my consoles. And ofc, it's also super poorly optimized, AND ITS LESS GRAPHICALLY INTENSIVE THAN EVERY OTHER GAME I PLAY
I can play Dayz on my old ass Ps4 with 40+ zombies and plenty of players around, with the only limitation being the garbage console servers. But I'll lag loading a chunk in mc
It wasn't over powered before.
That's a fundamentally bad take
mojang: we want you using redstone in ways that we didnt intend for
the redstone community: does exactly that
mojang: D:
Damn
Minecraft community try not use Mojang on every joke: 😖
@@plagueking6559it’s hard not to use mojang as a joke when they’ve been running things like a circus for as long as they have. If anything they themselves are the joke
@@thesaltyduckling80 idk I have seen the community just as bad as Mojang most of the time
@@plagueking6559yeah like, how dare you complain
it's literally mojang not understanding their own invention lol
@@JackWilkeagain, we need more context
I love how Mojang never fails to disappoint their audience ❤
How does disappointing people even benefit them?
@@CF-bg3jd Negative attention? As much as “no such thing as bad publicity” is a thing, that can backfire badly if it also spread bad words of mouth.
@@CF-bg3jdwho said it benefitted them?
And still everyone plays the game.
@@Joetoep My same thoughts, the Minecraft community is just coping at this point
seeing it flow one block at a time made me so happy, then it made my head hurt seeing 2 at a time 😭
They really hate it when people want to play how they want, don't they.
First the report features (don't even get me started on this one), making it so people can't moderate servers how they want.
Removing references to guns. (Hmmm, what do creepers drop again?)
And now this. Can't we have any fun?
Minecraft it feels it's run by karens
Microsoft is a bunch of 🤡 🐱 🐱 🐱
I don't think anybody uses the reporting system anyway
They have even removed maps for farms
We can not
If Mojang has made the blocks work this way from the start, people wouldn't be mad. But people are now furious that they were given something so much more useful, just for the versatility of it to be removed.
Mojang did this when they teased the fireflies and birch biome changes, just to say no.
They have to learn to not make promises they can't (or won't in this case) keep.
I know snapshots are not promises. It is just an expression.
Edit: To all the people saying "But it is a snapshot, and Mojang says nothing in snapshots are set in stone" true, but it being a snapshot does not justify making something good, just for them to change it to make it definitively worse. Snapshots are made to let the community give feedback on stuff, and then help improve it. So here is my feedback. It would be better for this change to be reverted.
To the repliers: Guys. Chill. It is just an opinion that this reversion is unwanted by the community. I don't need to hear "but Mojang can do it if they want" again. Of course they can. Doesn't mean we have to like it though.
I agree with y’all but they never promised they would keep the one tick functionality
@@LineOfThy By putting it in the game, they made it accessible to people, just to turn around and remove it.
They may not have verbally promised, but they demonstrated what they were gonna do, then undid it.
It is like pretending to hand a dog a treat just to take it away.
@@Acudit They *explicitly* said that the behavior is not guaranteed to stay.
@@Acuditthat’s why these are snapshots rather than proper updates
@@megaing1322they also explicitly said that they will look for and react to community feedback.
they have to make copper bulbs have 1, 2, 3 and 4 ticks delay at the same time, depend of oxidation
That's a brilliant solution to this whole problem honestly. And it even makes sense because in real life oxidation increases the resistance in a circuit
So, make the old problem worse (the fact that the delay wouldn't be the same on Bedrock)?
@@herowither12354 not my problem, git gud instead of forcing parity of something that wouldn't have parity anyways (redstone)
I DON'T CARE ABOUT BEDROCK @@herowither12354
@@herowither12354its not a problem, they are literally 2 separate versions. They are trying to make it a problem
Next update, all bocks are now consistent with dirt. Any additional functionality like "crafting" was unintentional and will be removed.
I know for a fact I heard a Minecraft UA-camr describe these blocks, why they're so huge for redstone, and that 'These are perfect. These don't need to be changed at all.' before this ridiculous snapshot came out.
8:32 Hey, it's me!
Small correction: 1 tick delay was possible before the bulb, using scaffolding or leaves, but those methods where a bit inconvenient. The bulb made everything easier.
nice
@@JackWilke Who asked + hate about it + go touch some grass
We know but it's entirely illogical from an outsiders perspective trying to understand redstone and they were also relatively large where copper bulbs had all the functionality in 1 block allowing for extremely compact 1 tick delays
@@vectome9360what?
@@IC-23Exactly!
Every update, Mojang becomes worse and worse as a game dev company, I really hope they revert these extremely stupid changes (Including adding back fireflies), as well as making better decisions in the future
Unfortunately, they lost the brains of the operation. He sold out for 2 billion smackeroos. The game will never be the same again.
is it mojang or microsoft though? Is it corporate meddling?
@@dustyrose192it’s definitely gotta be mostly mojang, head did Microsoft won’t care if they don’t add another mob. Since they’ll be able to do it in a work day anyway
No cuz the Firefly thing genuinely was so upsetting. Minecraft desperately needs more ambience and fireflies were perfect. Like how hard is it for them to just program the toads to not eat the fireflies....
Almost all of my friends who were casual solo survival players quit the game cause of the villager nerf, i play on 1.16 and 1.19 and once i beat the dragon on both these versions and get all achievements ill quit too :)
Oh boy, I sure do love being able to make a piston door that opens with a smooth animation so that I can walk out through my property where I've collected all the mobs they reintroduced from old mob votes, and then walking down to my village to access essential enchants like Mending that took me anywhere from 9-130 hours to get.
I sure hope I'm not the alternative timeline, and Mojang isn't actively deciding to make the best selling game on the planet worse for every single playstyle.
I feel like the trill that's possible due to the 1-tick copper bulbs is a really sick application to this mechanic. Note block map makers could really benefit from this, but of course Mojang won't let us have fun in our own way
oh yea it makes it so much less complicated to make 20hz accurate timings
That isbaxualy a turn not trill
Of course mojang won’t let you have fun your own way. What do you think this is? A sandbox game?
Note blocks are honestly one of the coolest concepts in the game. I just wished they had a UI to set the pitch.
All of this clicking (and checking via F3, *and* comparing the values from it with the pitch table on the Wiki) makes it really tedious to create something, even if you're just copying sheet music.
@@PleshieI’m scared to reply to this because I might get wooshed
Advantage of copper bulb: less laggy redstone lights
Design advantage: you can have your lights “go out” over time, giving the artistic builders something
Mojang needs to stop making changes that make nobody happy. They don't satisfy the enthusiasts, they don't satisfy the casuals. They should do the math, figure out who takes up the majority of their player base and then satisfy that side.
"They should do the math, figure out who takes up the majority of their player base and then satisfy that side." I think that is exactly what they're doing without saying it outright. People that go on UA-cam and watch vids/comments isn't a majority of the people that play the game.
They also take peoples low end/medium end set ups, consoles and so on into consideration. They may also see possibilities with the previous tick delay that can be abused before anyone else does, then do changes before anyone notices and leave it at that in a "whew, community is pissed but crisis averted" kind of way.
I'm just theorizing now, but it doesn't make sense to spend money and time on "fixing" something the community is hype about if that isn't the case. Either that, or they do this and then change it back a month or two away from the update to be released to keep the hype and talk up for more free PR.
@@T3n50r "People that go on UA-cam and watch vids/comments isn't a majority of the people that play the game." I doubt that. I don't know where you are from, but Minecraft players I know have internet, and they watch UA-cam.
While UA-camrs and Enthusiasts are probably not the majority of the player base, they are the one who generates interest for the game. Casual players who play Minecraft will at some point go watch let's plays or tutorials on UA-cam. These enthusiasts are the ones utilising the game features to create interesting builds, which helps make Minecraft more enjoyable. I can remember the feeling of watching a tutorial on how to make redstone doors and making one in my own world.
[edit] the point is, take an interesting feature away, and the fun potential decreases for everyone, both enthusiast and casuals.
Consistency is exactly what the community DOESNT want! The more consistent, the less options.
redstone SHOULD be a barely-functional mess! every single block SHOULD have its own purpose!
This isnt what consistency means at all
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see when mojang says "consistency" they dont mean "consistency with other blocks" but instead "consistency with BEDROCK EDITION."
bedrock runs on 10 tps, so the effect that copper bulbs have that we saw in java isn't possible on bedrock. Instead of uprooting the underlying issue (10tps) mojang decides its a lot easier to simply remove the feature from java.
Mojang: Doesn’t make enough changes in the updates
Also Mojang: Changes every little thing in the updates making it worse
a paraphrase from a review i watched on something unrelated "my problem isnt that its just shit, my problem is it goes out of its way to be shit, it wouldve taken less effort to make this... good than it wouldve to change it and make it shit"
@@toetruck1589 what review did the quote come from?
@@redwolftrash a review of the us remake of utopia
"Ah fuck they're getting too creative with the new blocks, better dial that shit back!"
For the past 3 years it feels like mojang shows us something with genuine potential or something that's great and takes it away for a more mediocre item/feature no wonder a large portion of the community doesn't trust them
"Copper Bulbs had added a lot to the game, but they could add a lot more, and some of the hype had been lost."
Powerful words
Ive been saying that the only "style" of minecraft player the recent updates have been geared towards is the adventurers and builders. I was so happy to see the redstoners finally getting a good few features, and having one of the two revolutionary blocks: the first big redstone revolution since honey blocks, be nerfed to hell is heartbreaking. Let us little technical/industrial players have our fun too!
Edit: im not saying that the updates have been _good_ but they are meant for builders and adventurers. Even if they fail to address problems or bloat their playstyle.
honestly, as a builder, I find more decorative and building blocks to be a bit overwhelming. It's a lot easier to pick 5 blocks out of 100 than 5 out of 300. I find the new updates are more pivoted towards those who like adventures, which almost no one likes doing or gets bored after 10 minutes of doing. I think the problem is Mojang is running out of good ideas and is just throwing random crap out there whether people like it or not.
@@heydud6777ironic too considering they have more than enough ideas to make 3 updates worth
As an adventurer... Why bother exploring. The loot in most structures is pretty much worthless. Once you have a villager hall (or several now with the new changes) and some mob grinders, the game is a joke. There's no reason to adventure because after the mid game there's nothing left to really find.
I'd disagree. Plenty of new mechanics for farmers to utilize in the last few updates. This is just a really bizarre blunder on Mojang's part.
As a builder, the copper bulb is ugly I haven't thought of one use for it
What I find funny is the fact that once 1.21 is out, the first mod/datapack that's gonna be uploaded is gonna be a reversion of these blocks back to their original functionality.
Not with a datapack unfortunatly, but I'm sure it's going to be a mod! It might even be the Carpet mod that does this, and that's developed by gnembon!
5:26
You had the golden opportunity to Rick Roll us.
community: please add vertical slabs
mojang: but it harms creativity
community: please bring back fireflies
mojang: but it's poisonous to frogs irl
community: please make iron rust like copper
mojang: but each feature needs to be unique
community: please keep the 1 tick copper bulb
mojang: but it's inconsistent
every time we want something, they have to make sure we don't get it, and give us the worst reasons for it
dont forget
community: please add backpacks we cant hold all these new items
mojang: ok how about bundles that dont increase inventory space but do allow you to combine different items in one slot
Like even when they *do* actually do something its in this wacky roundabout way that doesnt address the issue. Its the same thing with the mob votes really
community: please add an item that can extend reach like the create mod
mojang: ok, but YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT.
this comment explains exactly why i hate mojang
The firefly one confused me to no end. Cam't they just, program so the frogs don't eat the fireflies in the first place? Why is that even a valid reason?
I've never understood why "Vertical Slabs Limit Creativity", Like commands allow you to literally create a whole game and features(Not to mention mods) so if slabs limit creativity then why do commands still exists?
@@kalzen2712 i personally think they are saying that it harms the modding community because most of the things listed were added in mods,
it sucks for vanilla players and mod creators who have to work on mods to add this stuff because of mojang's incompetence.
I spent 6+ hours designing my first 2-block-wide hidden staircase that fits into a 12x5x5 space and has a symmetrical opening without the use of slime and honey blocks. I’m really proud of the fact that I was able to put the copper bulbs to good use, but now? Completely useless. But to be honest, I’m not at all that surprised Mojang pulled the plug.
edit: redesigned it and it'll now work in the newer snapshots. I've also touched grass as well so yeah I'm not really annoyed at Mojang anymore.
Mojave
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
everyone keeps dying in mine craft this is a si op
@@cor3po491 we won't go quietly, Mojang can count on that.
Please don't complain. You know fully well that Mojang changes a lot of stuff in the snapshots. That's on you for building in a constantly changing and unreleased update.
I think regardless of being far more survival oriented, the copper bulb making a red stone contraption more simplified sounds appealing and could bring more people into red stone experimentation.
i'm not a redstoner but i do enjoy the idea of copper bulbs doing something special like 1 tick delays, especially with how they're obtained. it encourages survival redstoners to explore and sharpen their combat skills in order to obtain them. also, it's so nice seeing t flops getting smaller. i think it's gonna stay that way but i wanted to say something about that
It really felt like they saw that it was instantly loved and they were like "This is not possible... Nerf those mfs"
Mojang is allergic to players having fun.
Maybe the tick delay should depend on its oxidation state (from 0 with no oxidation to 3 when max oxidation)
I'd honestly prefer if it had no delay for the first 3 oxidization states, but the old 1 gt delay when fully oxidized. That way, contraptions that require tight timings (so the ones that use the 1 gt delay) also cause less light update lag, due to the lower emitted light level.
But the idea to tie the delay to oxidization is genius, they should totally do that!
That’s a really creative and great idea but mojang would probably never even take a second look at their own community❤
Actually a cool idea
Now THAT is a good idea!
It already changes light level due to oxidization, after all!
Quite a few people here came up with this compromise!
making the tick delay based on the oxidation level of the copper bulb would be a fun and engaging way of solving this, atleast imo
The proper solution is NOT to revert the copper bulb but to have the amount of delay be based on the oxidation level. I would propose 0/1/2/3 gt and it somewhat fits in thematically as well because oxidation does have an effect on conductivity in the real world. The thing is, even game tick delays help to avoid synchronization issues in a lot of circuits using T flip-flops and binary counters that would otherwise require workarounds. Odd game ticks are a bit inconvenient to get in some situations and the old copper bulb was very useful here. So I only see this as a way to solve everyone's problems.
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Sorry, our debug-build commands (namely `tick`) were accidentally added to the last few snapshots. We hope none of the players were distracted by them nor experienced any discomfort caused by our mistkae.
We are *really excited* to bring back the usual player experience.
Was that the actual wording they used?
"we are really excited to bring back the usual player experience - that is, disappointing, lackluster and frustrating."
Its almost like Mojang gets a kick out of pissing off or alienating their playerbase. They just cant help themselves. They just keep doing it and its exhausting at this point.
@@JackWilke what?
@@raxcentalruthenta1456 its the average youtube bot, just ignore them
@@wrathnmalice ah okay. Guess that explains why the reply felt like it lacked context.
@@raxcentalruthenta1456they got yeeted 🧑🏼⚖️
Or it’s just a sign of how entitled and irritable said playerbase is
if only mojang devs listen to their community like how terraria devs does, im sure minecraft will be awesome
RIGHT?
Terraria is still getting updates because everyone loves terraria, and relogic can't bring themselves to abandon it.
i was scared megalovania was gonna play
Mojang trying not to make the worst possible decisions challenge: impossible
This reminds me of how parity (for the most part) is features being removed from one game to match the other. I think mojang should embrace the fact that java and bedrock are different games.
I truly believe they're prepping for Minecraft 2. Every other Minecraft branded game as flopped under the Minecraft IP. They need a new, killer release in their core franchise... aka Minecraft 2.
This could explain why features come so slow to Java. They wanna wrap up and leave the game in a legacy state where it can basically be supported by modders, who have a more efficient development environment anyways, whilst they focus development on MC 2.
If they added too much to Java now, they'll have less new features on release for Minecraft 2. Imo, they have to be withholding. because making these things isn't magic. The Minecraft director should have a clear vision forward for the game and their tools have been maturing for a decade. The art isn't a limiting factor at 16x16, and it's not like every mob is some completely new system that should take months to test and develop. Basically, they have no barriers, the game was designed intentionally to be easy to add onto, yet development is slow as hell. It's artificially and intentionally limited.
They're preparing for the moment where Minecraft Java slowly gets erased and shafted to the legacy channels, then Mojang becomes further and further assimilated into Xbox Game Studios, to the point where it will become wholly published by Xbox Game Studios and the only remnants will be the community and PR arms of Mojang.
Then people wonder why everyone hates/thinks shitrock is an inferior version lmao
@@AtomicRobloxProductions lmao true
@@uponeric36 while getting Java Edition deprecated would be the best outcome for us, modders, (because we finally wouldn't have to deal with Mojang breaking stuff each update and making code uglier every year), I can hardly believe they will do this any time soon. This would basically require them to write a new game entirely from scratch, because Bedrock Edition has a lot of fundamental problems, and there is no way Java Edition players would voluntarily move to Minecraft 2 without a full (or at least major) rewrite.
And leaving a big part of Java Edition player base on legacy modders-maintained version isn't in Mojang's interest, because this would significantly reduce hype from official updates, which is currently the main source of new players who buy the game. This may also lead to Mojang losing a lot of control they recently acquired in Java Edition (like chat reporting and other stuff), because without the need to keep compatibility with new official releases, community would probably start developing a fork based on older game version (as most of the updates starting with 1.13 traded a lot of optimizations for more readable and convenient codebase, leading to huge performance decrease, which is why almost all non-SMP servers still run pre-1.13 releases under the hood).
And having to do a big rewrite raises the question, would it even be profitable? Yes, not having to backport every change from Java to Bedrock would probably cut the development cost, but fixing all Bedrock issues would require a lot of work, and consequentially, money. And giving Java Edition entirely into community hands would probably mean increased spendings on content moderation, because, you know, Mojang needs to keep "caring about their brand image" (aka being assholes) by DMCAing "non-kids-friendly" content and doing other stupid things
0:31 YOU CANT RELEASE IT, YOU MIGHT POISION THE FROGS
Having the timer (aka the bulb) being condensed into a single block also means less block updates and thus significantly reduces server load. The impact may not be too apparent initially, but for every circuit that you add with an independent clock the difference becomes very noticeable. This is one of the limitations of making circuits in minecraft and why condensing redstone circuits as much as possible is important.
Mojang has transformed into a "AAA" game company so they only fix stuff that doesn't need to be fixed and ends up breaking them for absolutely no reason
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yes
Riot.in general
@@JackWilkewho asked + upload videos
You mean Microjang, right? Or... Mojasoft
mojang: *adds something new*
everyone: *likes it*
mojang: *NO*
Nope
@@CheeseMiserHey kid go back to sucking on your pacifier or add an actual meaningful argument other than “No”
I saw everyone mad online, but I haven't been keeping up with the news. I got so excited as someone who messes with redstone watching the first half of the video and had so many ideas with that wave machine. I really hope they bring back the one tick. It genuinely would have gotten me back into the game.
Me too. I play a 4 to 5 year old something version of Minecraft for PS4, if these bulbs were 1 tick, I'd might play the new updates and get into redstone.
thank you for making a video about this. I know mojang has listened to your videos a lot so the fact that you made a video on it might actually give us a chance of it being reverted
If the copper bulbs were always this way (0 tick delay?) to begin with, most people won't bat an eye. But since they made it how it was (1 tick delay), players got a taste of what that feels like. And a lot of people like it. And now it's taken away. And people riot. Mojang aimed a gun at their own the foot for making the bulbs 1 tick delay to begin with. And with this snapshot, they've shot themselves on the foot.
Like giving a candy to a child, then swiping it after the child had a lick. Of course it would cry.
And as well all know fandoms are very much like children.
@@Yipper64 We are all children of God
@@rheatinacreatishia7636 Ok I make a lot of religious comments so when I saw this notification I naturally assumed it was in one of those comment sections where I brought it up...
but no freaking block game.
Yes true, but how is this relevant?
@@Yipper64 Think about it
If I had a nickel for every time Mojang made some god awful decision for this game, I'd probably be able to afford another copy of Minecraft, which is a lot, and is pretty damn sad.
If I had a quarter for each time, I could buy the Lionel Triplex!
mojang doesnt deserve praise for what they do tbh
@@bruhgod123 My greatest praise is at least they're better than valve and blizzard kinda in some ways
@@MaximusChivus valve isnt even that bad compared to other corporations
@@MaximusChivusThe bar is really low
the addition of the crafter has me convinced that modern vanilla versions are just modded versions from 5 updates ago
Yeah it’s too much. I started playing on 1.7 again because it stopped feeling like minecraft
Reminds me of Pistons.
When they were introduced they allowed for a lot og contraptions than even to this day are not possible: they could move pressure-plates. That was great together with minecarts and rails.
Yea, but the game also was running like absolute crap and servers simply couldn't keep up. Single player was no issue, but seeing as how a rather immense amount of its popularity is online play, it is indeed a factor.
With that said, I have no idea of the performance impact of the copper bulb thing, but the out of sync, quicker delay certainly would have an impact of some sort.
@@someone-ji2zb "but the out of sync, quicker delay certainly would have an impact of some sort."
Only as far as people would be using it for contraptions that are otherwise impossible to create. But inherently it does not matter if it is 1,2,3, or 50 ticks delay - the performance-cost is the same.
They ***NEED*** to change this back, it's such a cool feature of one tick delay rather than two!
No
Yeah
@@CheeseMiserwhy
@@nyalan8385 because yall acting like children, pouting to try and get your way. You all make hating mojang your personality, such immature brats
Massive props for people like Mumbo for understanding how redstone works. I still am confused on how it works.
RETURN OF THE KING
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so does he at times lmao
@@rememberthisnameawk1136w pfp
@@rememberthisnameawk1136you have no idea how important this man is and his profile picture’s importance
My issue with the past few updates is that they really don't impact my playthroughs at all. The new biomes are cool, but I rarely ever find them, let alone look for them or gather the native woods. The new creatures are always appreciated, but I've never found nor looked for a Sniffer. I do think that the new deep dark content is pretty cool, but I generally avoid the underground cities because you really only get swift sneak and enchanted apples down there, and i can do without both of those. Even with new tales and trails update I didn't know that they added new ruins until quiet recently and I certainty don't feel like I'm missing anything.
They need a dimensional revamp update for the end, and maybe even add a new dimension as part of the ancient cities huge portal frame, because once I beat the dragon and wither, I'd like more to do than just expand my base.
New generated structures, more in depth ai behaviour, some rare minibosses like a kraken that spawns in water or something (make the trident worth getting perhaps), another dimension would be great, same for an end revamp because that place is boring. To me at least in survival it just needs more to do and see. And even if you run across something rare like a woodland mansion or a temple its boring to clear and not rewarding. The infinite world of Minecraft is a mile wide and an inch deep, when you've seen it once you've seen it all. When you've beat it once you've beat it all. Sometimes the game feels like a chore to me in a way it never used to, it's stale and needs some new ideas. Proper ones rather than just a mob vote. A rather long winded way to say definitely, I agree
2:27 the counter is backwards (binary reads right to left)
The most significant bit is on the right side of up counters using d type flip flops
I personally don't use redstone but imagine the cool stuff redstoners could have made with this
🤦♂️ the block still is there and does the most important thing. Such an uninformed sheep
im personally really glad they removed it
@@kelpermoon23why? Theres literally no upside and a ton of downside. All mojang did was show us a new, exciting, different block, then say, “no no, we’re making this less unique. You’ll thank us later.”
@@Yoob-yh5gb performance
@@kelpermoon23 counterpoint, its harder on your computer to do two things at one then one after another.
As someone who enjoys music on Minecraft I welcomed copper bulb with a lot of hope. And that presentation of Chopin was exactly what I wanted in Minecraft without data packs
Exactly 100 likes and no replys? Ill fix that.
@@Your_AverageHuman thank you
They coild make the delay dependant on how oxidised the lamp is.
For example no oxidisation has 0 tick delay and first level has 1 tick delay.
Let us raise an army and make as much noise as physically possible. Not offensive noise, because that will go nowhere. Instead, we need to make noise like "Hey, this was a really cool feature and we want it back!" They can't ignore the majority of their community forever.
Everyone wanted sideways slabs, and Mojang put it on a list of blocks never to add to the game.
You are underestimating the madness and stupidity of Mojang...
@@Tasoriuswe need a IED producer 💀💀💀
I mean, review bombing works. Though google doesn't show minecraft's reviews, so we can't really do that.
I feel like they could revert the copper bulbs and still keep consistency if they had a logical explanation, like for example: all redstone components that use copper have 1 game tick delays, which would have some logic to it bc of its irl use cases
the problem at least in part is bedrock redstone ONLY functions on 10 ticks per second unlike on java that only updates on 10 ticks per second
aka the pinned comment
function scrapped for parity
i guess we are lucky they did not just remove quasi-connectivity
@@durandle9226 nobody cares about bedrock anyway
@@xenirdpeople on console who can't afford a half decent PC do. So... shush
@@joshuasitzema9920 A pc half the price of your console will run Minecraft
What if we just… mass report it as a bug…
exactly
Hmmmm I like it
Mojang: makes bot to auto mark anything related to copper bulb tick speed "works as intended" because its mojang
@@plutonicattic7995 So you start rephrasing the reports so they don't get caught by the bot ;)
@@Archrid the bulbs of copper
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I think the 0 tick delay for bulbs could be better for making microprocessors in minecraft (given their lack of activation delay), aside of that I'm pretty neutral since I haven't tinkered with the snapshots yet (might wanna wait for the update release before starting a huge project just to be ruined by a change like this).
It depends.
The way processors work in Minecraft is by designing basic logic gates and combining them together.
Considering the fact that 0-tick logic gates already exist, I don't think it's too out of the realm to say not much would happen besides making things more compact.
ever since that update my desktop audio gets erased from existence and requires a restart for it to return
I have an idea. they should make the unoxidised copper bulb to have 0 tick delay and as they oxidise they get 1+ tick delay every oxidation level.
Wouldn't a 0 tick delay literally just crash the game?
@@SethbotStar There are already a few ways to get 0-tick pulses which are potentially more system-intensive than the bulbs would be, and the game handles them fine unless you do crazy crap with them.
@@SethbotStar Apparently not, like shown in the video 0 tick is what they are being changed to.
@@SethbotStar No, and normal redstone wires also have a 0 tick delay, just like copper bulbs today. Redstoners frequently do work with sub-tick delay, caused not by an actual delay, but by the fact that while the game processes redstone, different blocks of redstone mechanisms are processed in sort of a queue. And that's why the game doesn't crash all of the time when we light up a wire with 0-tick delay - in code it has strict order that the game follows to process redstone, so there's no situations when game can't decide what to do (if there were, redstone would have been pretty crash-inducing)
on the plus side, there's most likely going to be a mod somewhere that either reverts the change or adds a new block with the *sole purpose* to interact with redstone on a 1tick delay
That's not a plus side
>Mod still needs to be developed
>you need extra effort to put it in
>its foreign anyway and locks out vanilla people of it
>Mod would revert the state of the game that would be considered "normal' so we gain something but that's not a plus, that's back to neutral
You mispelled that
@@MaxerV19 ☝🤓
@@troll_486 😟
@@troll_486 yea i shouldn't have said plus side-
admittedly, i was perhaps a bit too tired to be writing comments yesterday, but i did anyway so...
I hope im not the only one that thought that the noteblocks would be a rickroll at 5:22
As far as the crafter... I think its *fine* on the new system. Its likely to stop some contraption from spewing things everywhere and making more lag.
Personally I think the copper bulb's tick rate should be a server or config setting. I know other games (Such as Space Engineers) allow you to enable "Experimental Mode" at any time, which enables a lot of features that can cause issues but give more control over the game.
SPAC ENGINERS MENTIONED!!!!1!!!!1!!11!
Ah yes we definitely don’t want more unique ways to use blocks in the block game, we just want nothing to change especially with “major updates” from the smol indie company.
3:14 I don’t really do redstone that much but the copper bulb with a one tick delay looks so fun to use. If they fix that I would maybe do redstone.
If I'm not mistaken, before copper bulbs were in the game, weren't pistons able to create the same effect for noteblocks or were they used differently?
All I really care about concerning the copper bulb is, will we be able to get full luminosity no matter the oxidation stage using redstone? Or maybe some other way?
im not a redstoner but they tend to be my favorite MC UA-cam channels. I am pissed off for them, All the cool crazy stuff they could have done. lost. I was really excited to see what the technical redstoners were going to pull off.
4:44 it was possible before to make 1gt delays with scaffolding or leaves, but copper bulbs are just much better at that. Also the bug report is actually a false report that somehow got accepted. The copper bulb will likely be fixed, but it bug report called out inconsistency between the dispenser/dropper and the crafter. They are completely different blocks, and work in different ways. There's no need for consistency between them, but if they were to change the crafter, then maybe make a good change like making it q-c powerable or changing it to ss15
5:34 i didnt expect phenix to have a taste in classical music
5:26 Genuinely surprised this isn't a rickroll.
5:25
ok but we all thought it was gonna be a rickroll right?
I swear i was wasnt the only one
Same
Yeah lol
Same lmao
7:45 correction:
It is now more bulky and difficult than it needs to be. It wasn't revolutionary because it introduced a new possiblity, you could get 1 tick delays through leafstone and scaffolding (and probably more I can't think of rn) but it just made it much more of a hassle than this 1 block solution
Frr
I mean humans are more advanced when we make smaller transistors so it’s the same concept here I think
Example at 2:58 is the simplest way I've seen binary introduced to MC. Taking signals out of these can make complex machinery(yet redundant).
I knew the redstone part about the copper bulb, but not their use in the trial chambers
I honestly don't think the change to a crafter is not a bad thing it was a little bit insane how quick it would go, but the copper bulb if they don't revert it it's such a missed opportunity and I don't think anyone's gonna care other than the technical community so you wouldn't even be upsetting the casual player.
It would be nice to get a "no sorry we wont change it back because..... it would break this that and the other...."
I think why people are upset about the crafter is because it happened at the same time as the copper bulb changes
Well the technical community was a lot more upset because they were also helpful for the same reasons as the copper bulb such as with things like binary counters or super precise counters as a general
But 90% of the complaints are from people who wont ever use the copper bulb
i personally dont see the point of the crafter change but yeah it's not important imo. if farmers want faster auto-crafting they can just use multiple so it's pretty negligible. the copper bulb change tho, like bruh
@@ryusdarlingthe crafter could have been used for for way more stuff besides crafting. There are UA-cam vids about making super accurate clocks with it and stuff, so much potential
I think it makes sense to change the crafter to dispenser speed, since it uses a dispenser. But there needs to be a way to 1-tick redstone. If they want the copper bulb to be consistent with redstone lamps, they need another way to get redstone onto one tick
It's possible but less compact.
(2 scaffoldings, one on a trapdoor: if you open the trapdoor the scaffolding changes to it's floating state in 1 game tick)
The copper bulb block would be soo much more convenient though
You can still get 1tick redstone delays for smooth piston and redstone lamp transitions, with leaves, logs and observers. Not as easy and elegant as copper bulbs though.
Thank you for the Mumbo cameo!
Looks like we already have a snapshot! Let's see what's happened... www.twitch.tv/phoenixsclive
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Oh no not the bots edit: Nevermind?????
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“5 replies” what??
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5:34 rlly wasnt expecting the best nocturne ever from mr chopin
Not a redstone creator but I love watching stuff about it. This is unfortunate and I i hope the changes get reverted. I also hope some of the bedrock issues get fixed for the bedrock players (and on that note, bedrock features like horses in boats should have been kept instead of removing them for 'parity'.)
What if a waxed variant kept the oxidation state but implemented the 1-tick delay? Would kind of make some sense as it's "less conductive" (realistically speaking), and it would add flexibility since you keep both variants. Thoughts?