The 8 Best Golf Shoes in Early 2024 (FOR EVERY BUDGET)

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  • @TheVillest
    @TheVillest Рік тому +4

    not gonna lie... the overall designs of golf shoes have gone down a lot in the last 10-12 years or so. they either look like something for my 72 year old dad or someone looking to go hiking in the mountains smh. im still rocking 2 pairs of 360 tours from 2011 and 2 pairs of adipure 2011's and 2 pairs of lunar controls LOL. all these "new" golf shoes today look like garbage

    • @ghinandtonicgolf
      @ghinandtonicgolf 7 місяців тому

      I agree. Nike especially. The Lunar Command 2’s are my favorite style of all time

  • @askloglog
    @askloglog Рік тому +7

    Big fan of my Adidas Codechaos. Super comfortable and waterproof enough for the PNW. Very stable and super noticeable over specific non-golf shoe like my 4D's.

  • @ddeboy002
    @ddeboy002 Рік тому +6

    footjoy and never look back.

  • @GOLFADDICT65
    @GOLFADDICT65 7 місяців тому

    FOOT JOY PRO/SLX CARBON 2024 shoes are now my favorite of my 11 pairs of golf shoes cheers from Canada

  • @GOLFADDICT65
    @GOLFADDICT65 Рік тому +1

    i have 8 pairs of golf shoes and just ordered 3 new pairs with maybe one more to add...lol.....Ya I know i have an addiction....can't help it...great review ...cheers from Canada

    • @flogrown2014
      @flogrown2014 Рік тому

      I’m right there with ya lol. Currently at 12 pair 😂

  • @TheShaunsc
    @TheShaunsc Рік тому

    8 pairs of Jordan golf shoes… My favorites are the ADG3s. Comfortable (once broken in), stable & killer traction.

  • @RHagans
    @RHagans Рік тому +2

    Adidas Code Chaos man!

  • @ryanrichardson9915
    @ryanrichardson9915 7 місяців тому +2

    I have (10) in my closet, less than 2 years old, other than my Ecco Biom 2 Yak leather beauties.

  • @seegarsmkr
    @seegarsmkr 2 роки тому +1

    Didn't see any Adidas or Spieth Under Armor. The UAs are the most stable shoes I have ever worn and are not nearly as heavy as the Squarz. Adidas are extremely stable as well and are lighter. The new 360s are incredible but a little out of my price bracket.

  • @mrcali68
    @mrcali68 Рік тому +10

    100% agree on the Ecco Biom G5's! Expensive yes but about as close to perfect as a golf shoe has ever been IMO.

  • @TLRChad
    @TLRChad Рік тому +12

    The Biom C4 is incredible. I've been wearing Ecco dress shoes for nearly 30 years. They've always been extremely comfortable and their golf shoes are no different. Just an awesome brand. Thankfully their styling has improved. Some of my early Ecco golf shoes were a bit on the ugly side.

    • @juliennicolas5807
      @juliennicolas5807 8 місяців тому +1

      My souls ripped on the left side after 20 rounds

  • @mdamiano88
    @mdamiano88 Рік тому +88

    Kind of crazy to do a top golf shoe review and not include adidas. I feel like the best known secret in golf is that adidas makes the best golf shoes, period. I caddied for about 15 years when I was younger and at every single place the veteran caddies (who walk miles and miles a year) said adidas all the way. Every time I have gotten something other than tour360s (for sales deals, etc), I wish I saved my money.

    • @DrKevron
      @DrKevron Рік тому +12

      So true. The Boost in golf shoes is the most comfortable golf shoe there is and you don’t have the weird fit and sizes like Ecco. Completely makes this comparison rubbish without having Adidas Tour 360 or even the code chaos

    • @leftlifegolfsaga9105
      @leftlifegolfsaga9105 Рік тому +7

      I don’t walk miles and miles a year - I wear fj premiers. Done

    • @mdamiano88
      @mdamiano88 Рік тому

      @@leftlifegolfsaga9105 they’re very nice too.

    • @DrKevron
      @DrKevron Рік тому +7

      @@leftlifegolfsaga9105 not bad shoes but honestly I find FJ to be highly overrated. I did finally find some this last year that were decent. I’d still take any Adidas with Boost over any FJ shoe and that’s regardless of miles walked. Comfort is comfort

    • @mikerich118
      @mikerich118 Рік тому +2

      Could be because the tour 360 are lame looking and the chaos are just clown shoes?

  • @68wrko
    @68wrko 5 місяців тому +3

    Don't be a dork or nerd and just have one pair. 3+ pairs are great, plus shoes need to breath, especially if you play morning and evening and do the driving range and practice greens! Informative video!

  • @davidgolfer
    @davidgolfer Рік тому +2

    I own 12 pair... and need a couple more... my wife is not pleased!

  • @Ibthe4th
    @Ibthe4th 5 місяців тому +1

    I guess Addidas isn't sending you free stuff? Best golf shoes I've ever worn. Period.

  • @cheliospanama9786
    @cheliospanama9786 4 місяці тому

    Great Video! Thank you 🔥👏💪🫶

  • @tomcsy44weatherill29
    @tomcsy44weatherill29 5 місяців тому

    The very best shoe out there is Athalonz.

  • @stu7803
    @stu7803 Рік тому +1

    Two pairs of Ecco returned because they fell part within 3 months, same with their street shoes, very poor imho.

  • @Athalonz
    @Athalonz Рік тому +2

    I don't think in you have tested Athalonz. We have 17 US utility patents and they are worn by champions. we’ve emphasized performance in the design of our shoes, but it has to be balanced with comfort and weight. In all of the athletic shoes we’ve analyzed, they have a U-shaped forefoot cross-section. Some shoes have a more pronounced U-shape than others, but they all have them. A U-shaped forefoot section adversely affects the vertical force or ground reaction force by directing it away from the body, which means less ground reaction force is going toward the body. Athalonz shoes have a sloped forefoot cross-section that directs the ground reaction force towards the body.

  • @adambuthead
    @adambuthead Рік тому +2

    Nike 270G. 100% waterproof light and grippy all year round.

  • @Anonymous594
    @Anonymous594 Рік тому

    I’m brand new to golf. Is it bad to wear spiked shoes anywhere other than the course? Would it be stupid to wear them in the parking lot?

    • @breakingeighty
      @breakingeighty  Рік тому

      haha nah you're fine in the parking lot. But probably wouldnt make a habit of wearing them out to dinner or something :)
      That said, lots of "All Day" golf shoes are popping up that you can wear both on the course and off, so could be worth looking into if that fits your lifestyle.

  • @nicholastaylor9375
    @nicholastaylor9375 Рік тому +6

    I love my Adidas Tour360 '22 shoes as a spiked winter shoe, but I'm looking to get some spikeless shoes for the drier months and the C4 are top of my list. Everyone seems to rave about them and they look really nice imo.

    • @dkonno18
      @dkonno18 Рік тому

      I have them. Most comfortable golf shoe I’ve owned!

    • @BatmanTC
      @BatmanTC Рік тому

      They’re fantastic, forget about golf shoes, they’re overall the most comfortable shoe I own.

  • @dkonno18
    @dkonno18 Рік тому +4

    I agree, the C4 is the most comfortable golf shoe I’ve owned! 100% worth the high price!

  • @chuckross8839
    @chuckross8839 Рік тому +1

    Everyone is after cushy, walking on a cloud . Well I will tell everyone , all the cushion is the worst for ones feet. Like wearing a cast on your feet . You want to strengthen ones feet ,
    Your feet have the most bones in ones body . They are to bare weight not cushion to death . Everyone needs Zero heel lift , and flatter toe raise. You don't need all the arch support either . You feet have built in shock absorbers , having all that arch support ruins the archers and sooner or later , mostly sooner your feet are going to give you serious issues. WARNING

    • @lukasbittara9073
      @lukasbittara9073 Рік тому

      Recommendation shoes for golf or brand with zero drop? I played with Altra Superior bud need some waterproof :D and golf style :)

  • @marlinbrittian5147
    @marlinbrittian5147 Рік тому +1

    How about we all start thinking of buying something that is NOT made in China!

  • @bosullivan5462
    @bosullivan5462 Рік тому +2

    Ecco are really great....Always very comfortable. Only draw back is they are silly expensive.

  • @oberder7038
    @oberder7038 Рік тому +1

    Yikes. Don’t guide these people towards these ugly shoes my man. People buy footjoys and thank me later

  • @dagobaker
    @dagobaker 2 роки тому +1

    im shocked that many people in golf shoes with no spikes
    i golf super AM walking.......... not sure many on that list can withstand the abuse...maybe the ecco

  • @ken9295
    @ken9295 2 роки тому +5

    Just got the Ecco C4 a month ago and absolutely love them!

  • @joedifranco1659
    @joedifranco1659 Рік тому +9

    Told me exactly what I wanted to know in the first 3 minutes. Giving this video a thumbs up

  • @clnorris82
    @clnorris82 Рік тому +1

    The formula is: X=number of golf shoes you have and y=total number allowed. So then X+1=y

  • @AdrianLunaGolf
    @AdrianLunaGolf Рік тому

    3 is the number you should have on pairs on golf shoes

  • @chrisbertani9888
    @chrisbertani9888 7 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the reviews. Do you happen to have any feedback or recommendations for golf shoes if you have bunions, and or plantar factitious?

  • @floggerrush5
    @floggerrush5 Рік тому +3

    I am a huge fan of true linkswear. I am always happy when i see them get the love they deserve on a list like this.

  • @jqsmooth77
    @jqsmooth77 2 місяці тому

    I love Ecco golf shoes for their comfort and waterproofing. However, their sizing is totally off on the newer models. They need to recalibrate sizing and have better quality control.

  • @Sebas.98812
    @Sebas.98812 6 місяців тому +1

    The best one is the Travis Scott golf shoes

  • @quoostonator
    @quoostonator 2 місяці тому

    I’ve found that the Ecco’s leather around the toe box just get ruined quick and you can’t clean them to fix them. But, nothing as comfy.

  • @jackwest5295
    @jackwest5295 4 місяці тому +1

    The right socks are also super important..nobody seems to talk about those ,,! especially Merino wool....

    • @doc_adams8506
      @doc_adams8506 3 місяці тому

      If you live in a place with fall and winter, I would completely agree on the wool socks. However, I live in Florida. Here in the land of heat and humidity, moisture wicking is of much greater need. I totally endorse the need for quality socks!

  • @jcmoye1
    @jcmoye1 3 місяці тому

    You skip the best shoe on the market the G Fore , it’s got the best ability. It doesn’t get dirty it last it’s amazing especially the G4 112.

  • @petegutierrez9539
    @petegutierrez9539 Рік тому +2

    I have a pair of ecco golf shoes. Great shoe

  • @michaelparsons541
    @michaelparsons541 Рік тому

    What…no FJs! And No, 7 pairs is not too many, especially if you do reviews for a living. I personally love Trues, I own 2 pairs of the OG Feels, 1 pair of the Lux Sports, 1 pair of OGs, 1 pair of Ripstop, 3 pairs of the Knit, and just ordered my first pair of Lux Hybrids. I love the Knits, and 1 of those pairs has been worn so much on and off the course that I have no more tread on them and can’t wear them on the course anymore. The Lux Sport and I assume the Lux Hybrid will be the same, in that they are extremely comfortable.

  • @Mac-nv2xs
    @Mac-nv2xs 7 місяців тому +1

    I just bought the all black Ecco biom C4 shoes with the Boa laces. I needed a waterproof shoe that's breathable. Hopefully, they're not a letdown.

  • @kevingallemore6779
    @kevingallemore6779 Рік тому +2

    I have Biom 3, G5 and H4 and like them all.
    Need a white pair…with a few more rounds on the G5, would you go them or the C4? Getting BOA, so pricing is the same!

    • @LocationRebel
      @LocationRebel Рік тому +1

      Personally I’d get c4. G5 are fantastic, but the c4 is my favorite pair of golf shoes I’ve ever owned

    • @kevingallemore6779
      @kevingallemore6779 Рік тому +1

      @@LocationRebel the H4s are more comfortable so having another pair for walking rounds seems best! Really wish Ecco has other colors as white soles are hard to keep clean

  • @KRAG_LAND81
    @KRAG_LAND81 Рік тому +1

    ASICS gel kayano ace blows them all away

  • @michaelgarden6554
    @michaelgarden6554 Місяць тому

    I always buy shoes with spikes. Spikes take the damage not the shoe. They will last much longer than a spikeless shoe.

  • @rickylalonde2317
    @rickylalonde2317 Рік тому +1

    Would never own the old style take spikeless every time

  • @goodknight37
    @goodknight37 Рік тому +1

    I’ve had a pair of Ecco’s for years now. The quality is phenomenal

  • @01thedude01
    @01thedude01 2 роки тому +2

    As far as comfort goes, it starts and ends with the Jordan 12s. No one comes close to full length zoom.

    • @breakingeighty
      @breakingeighty  2 роки тому

      I have multiple friends who would agree with you on the 12s!

  • @ovrpar72
    @ovrpar72 Рік тому +1

    I don’t know anyone in my 55 years of playing golf that wear any of those brands. The Sqairz were the only ones I’ve heard of and that only because Sir Nick hawks them!

    • @breakingeighty
      @breakingeighty  Рік тому +2

      Ok I get that some of these are newer or less known brands, but if you don't know anyone who wears Nike or Footjoy, then you must be playing a different sport! haha

  • @georgeshawnjohnson8866
    @georgeshawnjohnson8866 Рік тому +1

    Adidas is still my fav!

  • @piffpete420
    @piffpete420 Рік тому +1

    No GFore shoes? They are the gold standard

    • @chiefnakoma
      @chiefnakoma Рік тому

      G4 are great shoes. Gallivanters are fantastic, but Inventory is always low in my size. I've been trying to get a 2nd pair for last 6 months and they never have my size

  • @tonyw1w1w14
    @tonyw1w1w14 Рік тому +1

    I have ten pairs of ecco's and I recently purchased the C4's, I don't wear anything else since, I am actually going to buy another pair so I can rotate them as I play four times a week. I tell everyone its like having pillows on my feet, hands down the best golf shoe ever made. PS. I used to wear all the Adidas Boost range which are good but nothing like the C4, plus Ecco last way longer then other golf shoes.

    • @putinsdox
      @putinsdox Рік тому

      Hello. Can I wear them in everyday life?

  • @dlloyd4896
    @dlloyd4896 4 дні тому

    One negative about Echo. I do not see a shoe size over a 12.5

  • @bdyt
    @bdyt 6 місяців тому

    Bought a pair of spikeless, never again. Nubs on the bottom have worn down almost flat while the uppers are just about perfect, now useless as a golf shoe, wasted money.

    • @breakingeighty
      @breakingeighty  6 місяців тому

      At least you now know what you like!

  • @saintpatrick6681
    @saintpatrick6681 2 роки тому +1

    puma, addidas. for comfort and style

  • @jackwest5295
    @jackwest5295 4 місяці тому

    REALLY Good golf shoes should be so comfortable , that you don't even feel anything but stable and comfortable and you don't have to think about them..at all when you are playing..
    I buy a half , or even one size up , in wide fit..your feet definitely swell up during a round and even the the slightest tightness will become a pain..
    Favs are Foot Joy Tour Alpha , and the Ecco bioms, Goretex.. just my 10 cents...

  • @Shawn-fu3mp
    @Shawn-fu3mp Рік тому

    If Nike reduce that oversized tacky Swoosh by 50%...I might be interested.

  • @hjlee5104
    @hjlee5104 Рік тому +1

    Sqairz is the best. I tell you^^

  • @richardc6932
    @richardc6932 Рік тому

    ECCO is overpriced at $310.00 🇨🇦 and for whatever reason fails to produce a selection of quality shoes in a WIDE size. All they can say is: remove the insole. They do not support an orthotic substitution. Not everyone in the world is born with narrow feet. My other gripe is that ECCO doesn’t warranty the binding system.

  • @Birdie_Bogey
    @Birdie_Bogey 2 роки тому +2

    Sean, happy to see you are as happy with the C4's as I am! I could sleep in those shoes. They are so easy to put on, the way they collapse around your feet almost make the laces unnecessary. You need to do one of these videos for our wet winters. I've been thinking about wearing shoes like the Salomon Patrol for our wet and soggy rounds out at PRGC. I'm loving the videos. See you out at the course. 🙂

    • @breakingeighty
      @breakingeighty  2 роки тому

      Appreciate it man, lets get back out soon! Video title "Nike Bandon Zoon vs. Everything Else."

  • @bertraminc9412
    @bertraminc9412 Рік тому

    Golf shoes have been trash since the CEO of Acushnet shut down the FootJoy plant in Secacus, NJ. The dry classics premier were the last good golf shoe in our history before all companies outsourced and now they are all plastic trash.

  • @Veritas84Aequitas
    @Veritas84Aequitas 4 місяці тому

    Really happy with my Adidas Stan Smith spikeless and Puma Ignite Elevates. One pair white, one pair black. Im covered for what I need and walk courses regularly

  • @hiltonbriner9586
    @hiltonbriner9586 6 місяців тому

    Latest Adidas 360 is a big fail with non replaceable spikes. Worn out after 8 months despite their marketing spin.

  • @aliasErEf
    @aliasErEf Рік тому

    Many of these shoes are available on internet ONLY….you the hell wants to buy on internet a pair of shoes ? This Guy is an influencer….he gets paid for advertising any products….if he could he would advertised me ex- wife

  • @hanspaolo10
    @hanspaolo10 Рік тому

    were you sponsored by, I don't know, TRUE golf shoes by any chance? 😂

  • @3putt548
    @3putt548 Рік тому

    Give Sketchers ArchFit Go Golf Elite Vortex a try. I have Plantar Fasciitis and these shoes give me tremendous arch support and comfort. They blow away any Adidas and Foot Joy golf shoe I’ve ever worn. Podiatrist Certified. Make sure to get the Vortex model as it’s waterproof.

  • @becauseluken
    @becauseluken Рік тому +1

    The only gripe with the Biom C4 is that if your toe points into the ground after rotation, you wear that toe out super fast. I went to the range 3 times with a brand new pair and the right toe is already coming away from the sole. Which is a mad shame because it absolutely is the best spikeless golf shoe for all the reasons stated.

  • @Midpack4
    @Midpack4 Рік тому +1

    I have Payntr 002 and love them. Comfort for walking is my #1 priority. I want another pair and I can’t decide between another Payntr or Ecco C4? Comments?

    • @breakingeighty
      @breakingeighty  Рік тому +1

      I haven't tried the other Payntrs other than the 003 - which is excellent. But being honest, the C4 is the best golf shoe I've ever owned. Comfort, stability, build quality - it's got it all. Expensive, but worth it in my opinion.

    • @dkonno18
      @dkonno18 Рік тому

      Ecco C4 is the most comfortable golf shoe I’ve owned!

  • @maeu59
    @maeu59 Рік тому

    It’s the Ecco sizing system is what’s puzzling, I’m actually a 9 3/4 so the 9-91/2 is too small and the 10-101/2 might be too big, nothing worse than a wrong fitting shoe. I know you can take out the footbed but that would take some comfort out.

  • @Skye_the_toller
    @Skye_the_toller Рік тому

    I have 4 pairs… none of them are in you selection 😂😂😂… I had Ecco… but it is a narrow shoe… my go to still the Adidas 360…

  • @petegalindez9961
    @petegalindez9961 2 роки тому +2

    Great reviews! I happen to own a few or more pairs of Ecco’s…love them! However, my current favorite for fall golf when it’s a little cooler are my Air Jordan 12 Masters edition…comfy stable and just all around awesome!

    • @LocationRebel
      @LocationRebel 2 роки тому

      Now that is a fantastic shoe :). A little too hard to come by for this list though ha.

  • @TenPester
    @TenPester Рік тому

    I have the BIOM G3, and they slip far too much in the toe on my left foot in my downswing, and after 1 year, they let water in, just after the warranty ran out. I mean let water in, What I mean is that they flood with water.

  • @mdstrobe
    @mdstrobe 2 місяці тому

    The Nike Roche G is what I have!

  • @BrandonArvay
    @BrandonArvay Рік тому

    Have you reviewed Skoni shoes yet? The PGA Product of the Year Award winner for 2023.

  • @kristiansletten247
    @kristiansletten247 3 місяці тому

    Agree with the Ecco's! MEGA comfortable. And water proof! Cool looking too

  • @Skye_the_toller
    @Skye_the_toller Рік тому

    No clue about 80% of your suggestions… may be only US products?

  • @AL-ei2gc
    @AL-ei2gc Рік тому

    If you are over 40, just get New Balance Golf shoes.
    You get it for the comfort, not for the look.

  • @realfaux7333
    @realfaux7333 2 роки тому +1

    Great video. Good luck playa.

  • @michaelbritton9778
    @michaelbritton9778 Рік тому

    They all look like trainers to me. Or Skechers shoes. If this is the way it’s all going I better look after the golf shoes I have.

  • @JamesKnudsenAW
    @JamesKnudsenAW 22 дні тому

    Bro, these shoes are uggggggly

  • @ninjabic
    @ninjabic Рік тому

    Are the ecco bioms good on a hot summer day? The nike roshe or true links sounded the most breathable from your list. What would you reccomend for those toasty days? Anything waterproof seems like a no go.

  • @dancole1172
    @dancole1172 5 місяців тому

    The new balance Brighton golf shoe has to be the most comfortable golf shoe I have ever owned

  • @tonyweymouth3111
    @tonyweymouth3111 Рік тому

    Duca del Cosma make the best golf shoe bar none. Absolute quality product .

  • @DoctorJedi
    @DoctorJedi 7 місяців тому

    Wow how did this channel wait till 2024 to find me? I love shoes and bags.

  • @curetiamhices289
    @curetiamhices289 Рік тому

    5 pairs… three Ecco, one Athalonz, and one Nike Jordans.

  • @hogeandrew
    @hogeandrew Рік тому

    Jordan’s 1 low as your height doesn’t change much

  • @DanWessonSpecialist
    @DanWessonSpecialist 7 місяців тому

    Are these the best or those you get paid to endorse? Bet you got those shoes free.

  • @_s_p_a_r_k_e_s_7615
    @_s_p_a_r_k_e_s_7615 Рік тому

    The Puma GS Fast is hands down the best golf shoe for the money

  • @duk_kicks
    @duk_kicks 8 місяців тому +1

    Does the Ecco Biom C4 fits true to size?

    • @LocationRebel
      @LocationRebel 8 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, I'm a true size 12, and in Ecco/Euro sizing a 46 fits me perfectly.

    • @duk_kicks
      @duk_kicks 8 місяців тому

      @@LocationRebel thanks man!

  • @SupSlade
    @SupSlade Рік тому

    Have you tried any Travis Matthew shoes? I have heard good reviews

  • @EdKrisiak
    @EdKrisiak Рік тому

    After 15 years I need to replace my ECCO shoes. I remember putting them on for the first time and it was like walking on a cloud. Tough decision finding the perfect replacement.

    • @breakingeighty
      @breakingeighty  Рік тому +1

      I could make a strong case for the Ecco C4, especially if you had such good luck with your previous pair!

  • @1mtis
    @1mtis Рік тому +1

    I purchased the payntr 002 and they are by far the best shoe I have ever bought. Better traction than any spiked shoe I have had, completely waterproof and very comfortable

    • @richardc6932
      @richardc6932 Рік тому

      Would these shoes be suitable for the player looking for a wider than normal shoe?

  • @gilesweiss256
    @gilesweiss256 Рік тому

    Is this a top golf shoes of 2023 for 50 year olds plus?

  • @StevenRoutledge-d7j
    @StevenRoutledge-d7j Рік тому

    Would the ecco biom g5 for my bunnions

  • @ryanGnVtown
    @ryanGnVtown 10 місяців тому

    He loves them all. Not alot of review more of a ad.

  • @ndnd1671
    @ndnd1671 Рік тому

    Had Squirz for about 6 months and the soul on the front became unglude. Not sure if it was because I was playing a lot or in the heat but they didn't last too long.
    They weren't too bad up until then and I like the square design to line up easier but seemed poorly put together

  • @fernmcclear2789
    @fernmcclear2789 Рік тому

    Does this mean my 25+ pairs is too many? 😮😂

  • @tjorgy7854
    @tjorgy7854 Рік тому

    Puma Pro Adapt Alphacat has been an absolute stellar choice for me. Highly recommend it to anyone looking for some new shoes.

  • @Rcrad14
    @Rcrad14 Рік тому

    I’m a little bias towards under armor apparel and looking at a couple different versions. Have you ever reviewed any of those?

    • @breakingeighty
      @breakingeighty  Рік тому

      Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of UA personally. So I havent reviewed anything from them unfortunately!

  • @chasingdaylightpodcast
    @chasingdaylightpodcast Рік тому

    Curious what your thoughts were on the weight of the Sqairz. I found them to be so heavy it made the rounds I played in them not very enjoyable.