Ranking the Albums: Greenslade (w/Rand Kelly)

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  • @Miler97487
    @Miler97487 3 роки тому +11

    Dave Greenslade's father Arthur Greenslade was a conductor and arranger for television programs and films. He provided the strings on Genesis' debut From Genesis to Revelation.

    • @petern3363
      @petern3363 2 роки тому +1

      Thanks, I didn't know this.

  • @johnmichaelwilliams6694
    @johnmichaelwilliams6694 3 роки тому +4

    Uncanny timing for this show. Just ran across this band on another UA-cam show yesterday and was contemplating where to start as that channel nowhere near the SoT quality for band introductions. So thanks, Rand and Pete, for making this show and discussing each of the five studio albums. Sounds like the first three are where to go so will follow your lead and do so. Again, thanks for the quality of SoT programs.

  • @Miler97487
    @Miler97487 3 роки тому +7

    Steve Gould was one of the vocalists on Cactus Choir. He was in Rare Bird, I'm particularly fond of his singing on the first two albums (1969 self entitled, 1970's As Your Mind Flies By) when they were a duo-keyboards no guitar format.

    • @clevebaker8399
      @clevebaker8399 Рік тому

      Absolutely! Steve is a favorite!! He was with Alvin lee on a couple of LPs! Great job

  • @jonmccormick602
    @jonmccormick602 3 роки тому +6

    Thanks for this guys. I saw Greenslade several times during the 70s, mostly the Tony Reeves lineup, but the final gig was at The Chalk Farm Roundhouse in North London with Martin Briley on bass and guitar. Interestingly, Lemmy’s Motörhead was the support act (a bit like Gentle Giant supporting Black Sabbath in reverse!!). I love Dave Lawson’s vocals, which were better live in my opinion. I think we’re the same as regards ranking the albums. Andy McCulloch is definitely alive and kicking and teaching sailing in the Greek islands. One of the biggest losses to music when he decided to quit the music industry. As good a jazz/rock drummer as Bill Bruford, in my view. Dave Lawson’s ARP synth work is second to none (his soaring ARP solo on “Gangsters” is fabulous - it was criminal when this was junked in the revamped version with Chris Farlowe “singing” ….). I could bore you for ever about this band, so thanks once again!!

  • @terryjohnson5275
    @terryjohnson5275 3 роки тому +8

    One of those fantastic next level prog bands of the 70's and I have to agree with Rand and Pete -
    1. Greenslade;2. Bedside Manners Are Extra;3. Spyglass Guest;4. Time and Tide ;5. Large Afternoon
    Live 2001- The Full Edition was recorded at the Herringthorpe leisure centre, Rotherham for the Classic Rock Society, I was there on the night and it was a great gig and then I went out and bought the catalogue.
    Yes that Cactus Choir is definitely a needle drop - pretty good album though. Never got Pentateuch of the Cosmogony - looked like it should have been good but heard it at a friends once when I was a college but it didnt do anything for me at the time which is one reason I never got any of the Greenslade albums until after I saw them live in 2001.
    I also have a vague recollection that Dave Greenslade and Chris Farlowe were in a tv version of a musical based on Dickens' Nicholas Nickleby called Smike that was on tv sometime in the mid to late 70's.

  • @minsterhill
    @minsterhill 3 роки тому +6

    Perfect. But am I the only one who loves Lawson's vocals! Just love the grit and crazy pitch! Would have liked to hear Pete more though:)

    • @gwts1171
      @gwts1171 3 роки тому +1

      It took me a few listens at first, but I really like his vocals.

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому

      Johnny Rotten sings Prog? Lol

  • @Realbillball
    @Realbillball 3 роки тому +3

    I got the same ranking. The first one I bought in the spring of 1985 because I liked the cover art.
    This was a hot summer and there was this girl....we were 17 and enjoying life.
    Truly a great album which I frequently play to this day. Where the girl went, I don't know. But I hope she remembers Greenslade.

  • @CarlosmanuelChavezayuso-gi5qy
    @CarlosmanuelChavezayuso-gi5qy 5 місяців тому

    Greatings,my friends. This is a great band Legend Prog 🎸🎹🎤👏👏👍👌👋

  • @whitey7998
    @whitey7998 3 роки тому +3

    Thank you so much Pete for this, been hoping you would do it for a while now. I’ve never heard Large Afternoon but my ranking is the same as yours. Esoteric have released them as 2 cd deluxe editions which are really great.

    • @gwts1171
      @gwts1171 3 роки тому +1

      I didn't know about the deluxe versions, but Esoteric does some great reissues. I'll have to check these out!

  • @JohnFiocchi
    @JohnFiocchi 8 місяців тому

    Welcome to a new show called "MUSIC YOU LOST IN ACCIDENTS"
    Great ranking of the Greenslade discography. Listened to this band as a teenager in the early 70s.
    Pentatuch Of The Cosmogony I actually loved...but it gets professionally knocked a lot in the Prog community. Its my favorite! The cd I have is on the BGO label..however I have never seen the one that Pete shows on this video. What exactly is that? A reissue?
    I also liked Terry Prachett From The Discworld. Another one that many people hate 😅
    Great video!! Thanks for making it. I really enjoyed it!

  • @jason-budney7624
    @jason-budney7624 3 роки тому

    It's nice to see Rand on a ranking show. Never heard of Greenslade, so I'll be checking them out soon. Thanks Rand and Pete.

  • @marciopainhas5828
    @marciopainhas5828 3 роки тому +2

    Finally!!! Pete & Rand, thank you so much for this show! Greenslade is one of my all-time favorite prog-rock bands, and no doubt about it. I dig them for over 45 years, and Spyglass Guest was one of the first LPs I bought. My rank is: 1- Bedside Manners Are Extra; 2- Greenslade; 3- Spyglass Guest; 4- Time and Tide; 5- Large Afternoon. Greetings from Brazil!

  • @toddstevens13
    @toddstevens13 3 роки тому +3

    Thanks so much Gents, no one in my area now had even heard of Greenslade until I brought it up, and they grudgingly tried in, and converted a couple. Will send this to a few people. If you have not done it already, any chance of a Grobschnitt ranking soon? Thanks again.

    • @seaoftranquilityprog
      @seaoftranquilityprog  3 роки тому

      I am not familiar with Grobschnitt save for one album, sorry.

    • @toddstevens13
      @toddstevens13 3 роки тому +1

      @@seaoftranquilityprog Too bad, is it Rockpommel's Land, I guess it is the best known. Thanks.

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому

      I only have one Grobschnitt album, Jumbo.

    • @jimhawkes
      @jimhawkes 3 роки тому

      @@toddstevens13 Rockpommel's Land is good, but i think Solar Music Live is their finest moment...

    • @toddstevens13
      @toddstevens13 3 роки тому

      @@jimhawkes I do not disagree actually, I said rockpommel's land was the one most people know.

  • @SkeltonKnaggsLives
    @SkeltonKnaggsLives 3 роки тому +3

    I looked into this band because I followed the meanderings of bassist Tony Reeves (I am/was a bassist), who was on the first three LP's. Reeves did quite a bit of technical work as well as providing bass for other artists. That's how I first heard Greenslade, and wondered why they weren't more well-known. "Spyglass Guest" is my favorite.Thanks Pete and Rand-- another educational show.

    • @wolf1977
      @wolf1977 3 роки тому +1

      SG is my #2, however I really don't care for the self-titled album too much. I'd get that collection Temple Songs: The Albums 1973-1975 instead

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому +3

      You’re welcome it was a pleasure to do this with Pete.

    • @wolf1977
      @wolf1977 3 роки тому +2

      @@shyshift Not to suck up too much but you do a nice show. Keep it up & look forward to future episodes (even when I don't totally agree)!

    • @SkeltonKnaggsLives
      @SkeltonKnaggsLives 3 роки тому +2

      @@shyshift I agree with Wolf-- Pete and Rand are human prog encyclopedias, and it's an honor to be in this type of company. And Wolf is a treasure trove of knowledge on this music genre, also. I'm probably "sucking-up" but I don't care.

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому +1

      @@wolf1977 Thanks but it’s a team effort with Pete. I certainly couldn’t do this without him.

  • @rolandstone8683
    @rolandstone8683 3 роки тому +5

    I would always recommend "Cactus Choir" (1976). Officially a Dave Greenslade solo album, but sounds like the band with guests. Absolute quality.

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому +2

      I forgot to mention Caravan’s John G. Perry played bass here also.

    • @wombatski100
      @wombatski100 2 роки тому

      with forever and ever on it which is a beautiful piece of music

  • @holydiver73
    @holydiver73 3 роки тому +3

    5. Large afternoon (lost a lot of the Greenslade sound, but OK).
    4. Time and Tide (I love it, but it is very uneven in parts).
    3. Bedside Manners are Extra
    2. Spyglass Guest
    1. Greenslade
    The top three are interchangeable for me, I think they’re all brilliant, but this is just where I am today.
    Ask me again tomorrow.

  • @diannecarpenter7718
    @diannecarpenter7718 3 роки тому +2

    I will give, “ Greenslade” a listen.
    🎤🎸🎵🎹🥁

  • @johnw706
    @johnw706 3 роки тому +2

    The only album of theirs that I have is Spyglass , which I like a lot . It sounds like I will have to investigate the first 2 albums as well . Thanks for the recommendations .

  • @lightanddreamsphotography7140
    @lightanddreamsphotography7140 3 роки тому

    Thanks for reviewing these,I didn't know Greenslade were known over the other side of The Pond, I always assumed they were a very English band. They were one of my favourite bands of the 70s, and I saw them live a couple of times. I never liked Dave Lawson's vocals either, but the other guys were all great. My personal fave is probably Bedside Manners? "Gangsters" was a big hit here because it was the theme tune to a popular TV show. I was also there for the 2001 live album!

  • @ollebergstrom4310
    @ollebergstrom4310 3 роки тому +3

    Andrew McCulloch. He´s alive!Cheers from Sweden.

  • @lemming9984
    @lemming9984 2 роки тому +1

    Can't believe you guys don't like Dave Lawson's vocals. That what first attracted me to Greenslade. I also love Lawson's previous bands Samurai and Web (I Spider).

  • @gwts1171
    @gwts1171 3 роки тому +1

    This was tough. I like all of them pretty well. I didn't know they had a reunion album in 2000.
    4) Time And Tide (It's good, but my least favorite for sure)
    3) Bedside Manners Are Extra
    2) Spyglass Guest (This was the first I heard of theirs, so it barely edges out "Bedside..." with nostalgia)
    1) Greenslade
    The top three could move around easily. Thanks, Pete & Rand!

  • @peterichards3261
    @peterichards3261 3 роки тому +3

    How about Dave Greenslade's epic The Pentateuch. The most expensive vinyl I ever bought in the 70s, even more so than Santana's Lotus. Basically a week's wages for each of them

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому

      We discussed Pentateuch at the very end.

  • @Miler97487
    @Miler97487 3 роки тому

    In 2006 I found a used LP copy of Time & Tide at a St. Vincent de Paul and bought it. I was blown away because I never seen any Greenslade LPs in thrift stores. Since I only had Bedside Manners are Extra at the time I was glad to have it in my collection. Still have it in my collection.

  • @russellhammond4373
    @russellhammond4373 2 роки тому

    I bought the albums when they were released (4 weeks after they were released in England) and totally agree with your ratings. The band has gone but not forgotten. The 2018 re-release has a few extras including videos but probably not available these days.

  • @jimhawkes
    @jimhawkes 3 роки тому +1

    Gotta agree with your ranking started off with a bang!

  • @LarryFleetwood8675
    @LarryFleetwood8675 3 роки тому +1

    I only have the Feathered Friends 2 CD release, really love it a lot.

  • @Michael-Esparza
    @Michael-Esparza 3 роки тому +4

    Consistently good cover art.

  • @marcelob4132
    @marcelob4132 3 роки тому +4

    First Greenslade album is the proggiest and most consistent. From Bedside Manners onward, there's always 1-2 conventional tracks

  • @risingstar7161
    @risingstar7161 3 роки тому +2

    Agree the order except my number 2 is the debut and Bedside is first.

    • @seaoftranquilityprog
      @seaoftranquilityprog  3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, very easy to flip flop those, easily the two best they have done.

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому

      Like I said I was flip flopping the first 2 all day yesterday. What Are You Doing To Me just eeked into the number one spot.

  • @dvanmartin9842
    @dvanmartin9842 3 роки тому +2

    The cover of Imaginary Western is my fav cover of that song.

  • @richardarchbold4721
    @richardarchbold4721 3 роки тому

    I was very lucky to see Greenslade twice in 74 and 75. Andrew McCulloch was amazing both times and I really am a Dave Lawson fan - he was excellent live. My choices 1) Spyglass Guest 2) Bedside Manners Are Extra 3) Greenslade 4) Time and Tide - I have never heard Large Afternoon, but I quite like Jon Young and his solo albums, so will look for it.

    • @lemming9984
      @lemming9984 2 роки тому

      I love Lawson's voice too. Have you heard Samurai and Web's I Spider?

  • @LifesignsmusicLtd
    @LifesignsmusicLtd 2 роки тому

    to be honest I thought the live album we did at the Classic Rock Society captured the spirit of the later Greenslade much more than Large Afternoon although it is a little known album :)

  • @iansmith8783
    @iansmith8783 3 роки тому +2

    oh cool. i love Greenslade.

  • @harrymccandless5995
    @harrymccandless5995 3 роки тому +2

    Great band! If you like Greenslade, try Dave Lawson's solo project Samurai. Really good stuff!

    • @Realbillball
      @Realbillball 3 роки тому

      Initially called Web. But Samurai is a very decent album if you like that kind of stuff.

    • @reeseboyd5730
      @reeseboyd5730 3 роки тому +2

      Yes, highly recommend I spider from Web and Samurai from Samurai. Both great albums! Shows DL in good voice and awesome keyboard playing. Jazzy stuff!

  • @bauertime
    @bauertime 3 роки тому +1

    He played with IF also.

    • @wolf1977
      @wolf1977 3 роки тому

      If is an all-time great prog band

    • @bauertime
      @bauertime 3 роки тому

      @@wolf1977 Watch their video of Sunday Sad on UA-cam. Great song!

  • @DR-lc9qg
    @DR-lc9qg 3 роки тому +1

    Best Greenslade recording, in my view, is their recordings live for the BBC Radio 1 sessions, 4 tracks that blow away the album release recording. Tracks taken from Bedside Manners Are Extra album.

    • @maddysmith8846
      @maddysmith8846 3 роки тому

      Were these ever released on CD as extras for example/. Not an early catalogue that I’m aware was remastered. Love first two albums.

  • @unchattytwit
    @unchattytwit 3 роки тому +2

    Spyglass - the last four songs on the album are brilliant and make this my favourite; Bedside Manners - I like the songs and song by Lawson on this, Bedside and Sunkissed; Greenslade, Time and Tide. As for the last album: electronic drumming and weak synth sounds should stay locked up and kept away from proper music. The reissued 2CD's have live sessions and concerts are a must.

  • @kennbrown4638
    @kennbrown4638 3 роки тому +1

    5. Large Afternoon
    4. Greenslade
    3. Spyglass Guest
    2. Time and Tide
    1. Bedside Manners Are Extra

    • @wolf1977
      @wolf1977 3 роки тому

      Pretty close to my rankings

  • @lening9
    @lening9 3 роки тому

    1) Greenslade
    2) Spyglass Guest
    3) Bedside Manners Are Extra
    4) Time and Tide
    5) Large Afternoon

  • @markhughes5444
    @markhughes5444 3 роки тому

    I recently picked up for 50p about one USA dollar DAVE GREENSLADE - TERRY PRATCHETS, FROM THE DISCWORLD SOUNDTRACK. GREAT.

  • @daviestallow
    @daviestallow 3 роки тому +1

    I disagree with Rand when he says no one wants to hear an accordion solo. If you've heard Turisas, you've heard plenty of accordion solos. If you haven't heard Turisas, you need to check them out. Great Finnish metal band.

  • @stephennorris2524
    @stephennorris2524 3 роки тому

    Good to hear Lifesigns getting a mention, excellent band.

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому

      Their new album Altitude is nearly $30 with $12.98 shipping. They also don’t have their catalog on my 3 streaming services so I can’t afford them.

    • @stephennorris2524
      @stephennorris2524 3 роки тому

      @@shyshift Shame as the 3 albums are really good.

  • @rickyboy591
    @rickyboy591 3 роки тому

    Great video on greenslade’ I only stumbled on them in the early 70s after getting a free ticket to see them in Leicester’ next went out and bought spyglass .
    Only change I would have spyglass on top spot but agree on the rest .
    Regarding large afternoon album I absolutely hate can’t think of one track I like. When dave greenslade said he was going to do another album ‘ and to quote (we can do so much more with technology now day’s) I was so disappointed with it and I think the keyboards sound like backing music from 80s slasher films ‘ but great review tho 👍

  • @johnhenfrey5936
    @johnhenfrey5936 3 роки тому

    Saw the original line up a few times in the 70’s.

  • @beejayca
    @beejayca 3 роки тому

    Greenslade S/T should be among your best debut albums as well. I completely agree with your assessment, except I lost touch with Greenslade after Spyglass. Great band and a great debut. I love the description as the Steely Dan of Prog rock...;-)

  • @mikeschultz817
    @mikeschultz817 3 роки тому

    Loved all Greenslade albums up until Cactus Choir, especially the first & second one. Saw them live in late 1974. It was quite a remarkable gig, but I really pitied Martin Griffith (ex singer from Beggar's Opera), who had to do the opening 'honours'. Just him alone with an acoustic guitar. Must have been quite an ungrateful job, as no one was really interested.
    Worth mentioning would have been Dave Lawson's previous band 'Web'. I had the 'I Spider' album (3rd one, I think), and loved it to bits back then, and still to this very day. Released in 1970 on Polydor in the UK, it cashes in at up to $1,000 these days. I bought it for $2,50 in the special offers box. It's a lovely early British prog rock album.Just 5 tracks between 6 to 10 minutes long. Interesting cover, as well. Check it out, you can still find it on YT.

  • @wolf1977
    @wolf1977 3 роки тому +1

    I have Bedside Manners Are Extra, self-titled, Large Afternoon, Time And Tide, Spyglass Guest & compilation Temple Songs: The Albums 1973-1975 so I guess all of them...Really good & interesting music, maybe similar to Fruupp at times (but I like Fruupp more). Wonderfully inventive song writing too, sometimes really complex but also almost poppy at times. They include just enough jazz (I'm not huge on straight-up jazz records)...Time And Tide is probably my fave Greenslade record, followed by Spyglass Guest & then Bedside Manners Are Extra, then Large Afternoon. The self-titled one would be my least favorite release. That compilation set is very good...
    Check out "Sunkissed You're Not" for some great proggy goodness, or "Little Red Fry Up" for the really cool keyboard work, almost Jan Hammer-ish at times. Then a song like "Pilgrim's Process" that's more pastoral prog. Or the rocking "What Are You Doin' To Me". "Newsworth" has Chris Squire-sounding bass work. Really good stuff. I like this band a lot more than Colosseum. Definitely worth owning this band's discography (maybe opt for the compilation instead of the self-titled album though)

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому +1

      I have 2 Fruupp lps I bought on a hunch but haven’t heard them in 40 years.

    • @wolf1977
      @wolf1977 3 роки тому +1

      @@shyshift Fruupp is an all-time classic band IMO. I really like the two best of packages It's All Up Now: Anthology & Wise As Wisdom: The Dawn Albums 1973 - 1975 a lot, also Future Legends

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому +1

      @@wolf1977 I have
      Seven Secrets
      Modern Masquerades

    • @wolf1977
      @wolf1977 3 роки тому +1

      @@shyshift Nice, I think a lot of that music is also represented on those two best of packages. Great stuff!

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому +1

      @@wolf1977 Downloaded the four albums and the Anthology on Tidal.

  • @kennbrown4638
    @kennbrown4638 3 роки тому

    Martin Briley had a solo career. Put out 3 albums in the early 80s and 2 in the 2000s.

  • @mvjonsson
    @mvjonsson 3 роки тому

    If you can tolerate Dave Lawson's vocals, I highly recommend the album Samurai - Samurai. Jazzy prog in a similar vein as Greenslade.

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому +1

      Downloaded on Spotify yesterday so will check it out.

    • @Miler97487
      @Miler97487 3 роки тому +1

      Also Web with I Spider from 1970 also with Dave Lawson. Basically Web was the predecessor to Samurai with much the same members. Web did release two previous albums with Theraphosa Blondi (1970) and Fully Interlocking (1968) but they featured John L. Watson on vocals.

    • @lemming9984
      @lemming9984 2 роки тому

      I love lawson's voice, it's what first attracted me to Greenslade. Love Web and Samurai too.

  • @johnmartinsmart
    @johnmartinsmart 3 роки тому

    What about ranking the album’s by anathema pete

  • @zootallures7279
    @zootallures7279 3 роки тому

    Missing Dave playing vibraphone as in Colosseum.

  • @wombatski100
    @wombatski100 2 роки тому

    The song with the drumming described at about 18 was Drum Folk I think

  • @godetonter4764
    @godetonter4764 3 роки тому

    Was Rand Kelly the Lead Guitar player in Tech Death Metal band Atheist?

  • @andrecito55
    @andrecito55 3 роки тому +2

    Andrew McCullogh is alive and well at 65.

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому +1

      Google says 75.

    • @jimmycampbell78
      @jimmycampbell78 3 роки тому

      He left the music business to get into boats and sailing.

    • @jimmycampbell78
      @jimmycampbell78 3 роки тому

      Ian Wallace, the drummer who was on King Crimson ‘Islands’- he died in 2007, Rand. That might have been who you were thinking of when you spoke about McCulloch.

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому

      @@jimmycampbell78 yes you could be right. I bought Ian’s solo album right before he died.

    • @Miler97487
      @Miler97487 3 роки тому

      In 2006 I actually found a used LP copy of Time & Tide at a St. Vincent de Paul and bought it for a dollar and it was in very good shape. I only had Bedside Manners are Extra at the time so glad to have that in my collection. I was shocked to see a Greenslade LP at a thrift store.

  • @reeseboyd5730
    @reeseboyd5730 3 роки тому

    Alright!

  • @reeseboyd5730
    @reeseboyd5730 3 роки тому +1

    Andrew McCulloch is still alive I believe.

    • @moogymiss
      @moogymiss 2 роки тому

      Yes. Sailing away still at 75.

  • @FundamentalsUK
    @FundamentalsUK 3 роки тому +1

    Vocals let them down imo, agree with Pete

  • @kenl2091
    @kenl2091 3 роки тому

    I agree that there's nothing worse than a 6 in the catalogue but probably nothing better than a 7.5. The musicianship is there but the vocals are not my favourite (the instrumentals are where they do peak) and there's often too much restraint where the brakes really should be taken off (compare and contrast with ELP who were never afraid to release the brakes when necessary) The ranking is entirely accurate and the Roger Dean covers amongst his best. Very good but only rarely touching the heights.

    • @wolf1977
      @wolf1977 3 роки тому +1

      I love the covers too...I'm VERY picky about vocals but I don't mind theirs, not great but not awful, and to me the overall music is good enough to override the OK singing. Also agree that their instrumentals are excellent

  • @Geerladenlad
    @Geerladenlad 3 роки тому

    How about a show on Slade.
    Oh I forgot you don't like Slade.😱

  • @glaeken777
    @glaeken777 3 роки тому

    This is one of that bands with great cover art that I want to love but just can't bring myself. Greenslade is a skilled keyboardist but the music is just... lifeless. Remove Lawson and I'd probably like them a lot more. Classic example of a terrible vocalist dragging the material down several notches. Love that Dean cover art though.

  • @bernielomax2758
    @bernielomax2758 3 роки тому

    Gay!!!!!!!

    • @shyshift
      @shyshift 3 роки тому +1

      I watch lots of old movies Bernie for instance The Gay Divorcee. The original definition means happy. Once again it was changed to suit someone’s agenda. There are many words with multiple meanings.

  • @paulayers1111
    @paulayers1111 3 роки тому

    5. Large Afternoon
    4. Time and Tide
    3. Spyglass Guest
    2. Greenslade
    1. Bedside Manners Are Extra