Looks a lot like the hubs I designed for Vittoria in 2013. Which was adopted in some way by DT 😏. Slanted spoke hole 'ribs' to achieve a 1-spoke length for the whole wheel 👍
Thanks for the good test work. Regarding the effect of spoke tension on lateral stiffness of the wheel then there is the stress stiffening effect where for example a column has a reduction of bending stiffness when the compression load increases (eventually leading to bifurcation buckling). So if the lateral stiffness of the wheel is partly due to the rim bending it could be influenced by higher spoke tension. I think I ones observed this on some skinny Stan’s alu rims I built before I learned to read the tension-meter properly and over tightened them significantly. Most likely this is insignificant effect on the large cross sections with noncrazy tension in the spokes.
Thanks for the code! Can report customer service response was prompt and QR adapters are available for the LV range 👍 Can I ask what rotors you are showing on these on the video?
I was wondering - deep rim (say 50/60mm)+round spokes vs shallow (30mm)+bladed spokes (say sapim aero spokes). How much worth of an advantage will the later option give, it will be more aerodynamic than the same rim with regular spokes but how much? As in more or less aerodynamic than 40mm? Could anyone tell me?
Thanks for the very good Video 🙏 But what do you think about corrosion with the alu Spokes and the alu/brass? Nippels? I think too, that the alu Spokes are better!
for the love of god can you test these rims aero drag and rolling resistance with 25mm tires. My 25mm gp5k tires with lattx tubes measure out to 28mm with 21mm internal/28mm external rims. I believe a 28mm gp5k would swell to near 30mm on 28mm wide rims.
I dont use 25mm 5k apart from front wheel of my TT bike where im going for aero. On the road bike at lower speeds its almost always slower and just feels to harsh at a high enough pressure to not penalise Crr.
“NOT SO STIFF WHEELS” I actually like those. Novatec Jetfly SL vs Fulcrum Racing Zero For daily training rides, I actually prefer the Novatec Jetfly SL. It’s so much more forgiving on harsh roads. More comfort gets me going. My training rides are structured. I only care about pushing the power out. A not so stiff wheel actually makes it a better experience since structured workouts are brutal enough. I don’t need a bl**dy stiff wheel to transfer every single road buzz to my brains 💀 Not to mention, I can score two sets of Novatec Jetfly and still have change for coffee and cake compared to getting the Fulcrum Racing Zero
Awesome video! But I'm the fourth or fifth person to ask about that rear fender. I've seen your DIY short, but this is a different style. Will you please drop a link in the description or make a new DIY short?
Cool... Thanks for sharing.. Another thing. What about that rear fender? Looks like it work better than the AssSaver I have for sure.. Aahh.. I saw another video where you talk about making it DIY
That data on yaw vs cda for different wheelsets seems like a really fun dataset to try some probabilistic multilevel modelling on, are you willing to share the dataset?
When you would compare these LV55's with the CD55's. Do you think these LV55's are the best buy or do you think the CD55's will have better performance? I am looking for wheels to do races on next year.
Would love to hear what clothing brands you rate. Cycling clothing cost so much now and the quality of clothing in bad weather can make or break a ride.
I was looking at the CD series and didn't even release they have two lower series. The lower LV seems like a no brainer since the only thing to seem to give up is carbon spokes and with your coupon code (Thanks) they come out to under $800 shipped. I wanted something light that I could setup tubeless with some 32c GP5000 S TR for my Aethos
@@PeakTorque I bought the AR56 off the back of Hambini's aero testing. They're a very decent set of wheels, fast, solid build and incredibly stable in wind. Much better than my Scribe wheels.
@@PeakTorque i have the AR565 with their patented wavy rim with Carbon-Ti hubs. Great wheels. I have zero ways of assessing them from an engineering point of view but… well, love them. And they do Carbon Spokes now too as an option
Thanks for posting your thoughts, sponsored or not. I am a new’ish follower of your channel. I ordered a set of rims, there is currently a bit of a backlog due to increased demand 😊 i was on the fence to get a set until i watched your review, the price is not bad. Ignore the critics and keep adding your take on things. All the best.
Same. I put in an order last week and its still not shipped. I wish their website was a little more intuitive. On their 'Shipping' page they talk about lead time and how much time they need if wheels are in stock/out of stock or custom builds but there is nowhere on the website or the orders page that tells you if they have stock. Just 'awaiting payment', 'awaiting shipping' and 'shipped' I understand that its probably not going to arrive for a month as i chose the cheapest shipping option but i still check the status of my order every morning when i get up and every night before bed...I just want to see it marked as shipped so I know to start the countdown. At least I'll have it before summer.
@@Rose.Of.Hizaki It is worth the wait, i received them a week ago, very happy with how they got packed and feel on my bike. They come with extra spokes and a set of long tubeless valves, you will not be disappointed.
@@epicnotawesome which ones did you get? I got the cheapo RV55's. Did you also take the free delivery option too? Sorry for asking so many questions. Hearing how much you're enjoying them makes me even more excited for mine to arrive 😊
Now that is something interesting! If they went for r13, novatec or any of many similar hubs, it would have turned out cheaper and simpler for 9velo. But definetely not as appealing for buyers. Hypothesis about yaw vs CdA: the graph shows greater variance for smaller angles, meaning wheel depth plays a greater role. 6 degrees is a critical value for flow separation and is resulting of rim profile, not depth. With greater angles wheels are stalling equalily and the only difference becomes side view area, hence the greater variance again. Might be just an artifact of approximating two regimes with a single graph, because there are definetely too little data points around 6 degrees.
Would it work out cheaper? I thought keeping things "in house" would work out cheaper as youre not having to pay any extra overheads when it came to production. Afaik Novatec and Powerway hubs are made in Taiwan (Is 9velo from Taiwan??)
@@Rose.Of.Hizaki dunno about origin of 9velo, but can only guess PT would never work with Mainland. As per inhouse production, it turns out cheaper if you can match the numbers. With forging, casting and semi-automated assembly hub production is a costly upfront investment.
@@feedbackzaloop Im guessing 9velo are from China like EliteWheels, Farsports, Winspace and all the other cheap carbon wheel brands that popped up within the last few years and started selling direct to consumer. so partnership between manufacturers based in TW definitely isnt in the cards. I assume they already had the resources available to build their own hubs otherwise they wouldnt be doing it. though since their inhouse hubs are based off DT swiss hubs. There shouldnt be a whole lot to dislike unless the workmanship is terrible or the hubs are insanely loud like the hubs on HUNT wheels.
@@PeakTorque I did that. Thanks. I have ICAN climb 38 wheels with ICAN hubs and the bearings don't feel real good. I don't know if those are just worn/bad bearing or they are pinched
They've been quite safe for a long time. Especially for the mass majority of people on the planet that don't have access to very long, technical descents
*_"Get a fast tyre..."_* I went from riding Rubino pro's (III, IV's, G2.0's and whatever the current generation is... -- Everything after III has been rubbish) since 2016 to 25mm Conti GP5000's a few months ago and I was pretty surprised how much faster they were compared to the Rubinos. While the Pro III's were a pretty good tyre for the money back in their heyday, I cant remember them ever rolling them that fast.
Bit disappointed that their cheaper end rim brake wheels do not have grooved brake surface. Most of the competition at that price point do offer better braking surface
I am in the market for a new set of wheels. I am looking for stiffness and aerodynamics. I want a wheel that is around 60mm. What can you recommend me the most? Weight does not particularly matter much to me. I currently ride the DT Swiss dicut arc 62mm wheelset with 240 dt hub. The new set needs to be an upgrade.
hey PT, are you using the exact same tire per test and testing period? Variable wear of the tire may skew the results...excellent review by the way and thanks for raising awareness for this brand.
Spokes are not deinterlaced, why?? I get that the rims are plenty stiff but giving up durability (from the only right way to build disc wheels: 3 cross deinterlaced) doesn't make any sense!
Not sure if there is a method to the madness, but every video that doesn’t start with a Hambini “HELLO” is disappointing… Thank you for your efforts; your reviews are a valuable addition to the cycling universe!
another great video thanks... out of interest, of all the wheels you have tested/reviewed...which ones would you recommend. I thought Id decided on the Hyper 45 or 67...but now youce made me rethink things a little. looking forward to your D67 tests
@@JBR.1974 i had the previous generation of ican 40 rim wheels, the 35s would save some weight vs lun d45, but im still thinking of going with d45 for increased durability
ca you try and get some of the enw carbon spoke wheels for a revioew please? been planning a buiold for 2 years and think they look great. not sure though as some tard reviewer has been slating 9velo... not Hambini though, for sure!
Meh. Another cheap Chinese wheelset. Nothing special. Would love to hear your thoughts on some more domestically produced RTM wheels like Bike Beats or Falcon Composites. Or maybe some Corima or Bike Ahead
Your engineering, mechanical, and rudimentary aero content is really good, but again.....please stop purporting yourself to be a wheelbuilder or having any kind of substantial wheelbuilding experience because it is obvious you don't. You cant be an expert at everything. The amount of product you get discount code for is a little suspicious as well.
I have built wheels for myself and friends for the last 8 years, it's not rocket science. Never said i was an expert! What do you think i got wrong in this video? Please share your opinion
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Looks a lot like the hubs I designed for Vittoria in 2013. Which was adopted in some way by DT 😏. Slanted spoke hole 'ribs' to achieve a 1-spoke length for the whole wheel 👍
Great to hear about the product testing stuff. I always liked your engineering based approach, good to see a brand supporting this.
The Hambini Techno Noir introsong is so dope!
Is there are a full flected out version out there?
Check out The Dark Installs channel. He's the creator.
I was thinking the same thing. If I start hearing Hambini at events imma lose my shit.
Thank you for the review, just ordered a set of 40mm rim brake version with your code.
Thanks for the good test work. Regarding the effect of spoke tension on lateral stiffness of the wheel then there is the stress stiffening effect where for example a column has a reduction of bending stiffness when the compression load increases (eventually leading to bifurcation buckling). So if the lateral stiffness of the wheel is partly due to the rim bending it could be influenced by higher spoke tension. I think I ones observed this on some skinny Stan’s alu rims I built before I learned to read the tension-meter properly and over tightened them significantly. Most likely this is insignificant effect on the large cross sections with noncrazy tension in the spokes.
what brand is your mudguard ? thanks
It's a home made carbon mudguard build from himself in another Video
@Peak Torque - do 28 mm tires bulge at all? I. E., would a pair of 25 mm be faster?
Thanks for all the informative reviews. Do you have any experience/recommendations regarding their rim brake road wheel set? Cheers!
Unfortunately no experience of that but it should be a good bet
I found the zipp 303s is in heavy discount now, wonder how would it compare with this and hyper d45
4:43 where is this? Looks like a great road to cycle on.
Have you got any insight into Parcours wheels? Are these similar to Hunt/Scribe etc?
Some summer deals bring these in line with the Hyper 20 and Hyper 23 SE - which would be your pick?
Thanks for the code! Can report customer service response was prompt and QR adapters are available for the LV range 👍 Can I ask what rotors you are showing on these on the video?
Any advice on these lv's or the cd's? Worth the few hundred € difference?
Is possible to have more tests at 30 and 32mm tyres.
I’m old and enjoy the comfort when needed but would still like the aero on the descents.
Unfortunately no. 28mm was the consensus and it would take months to do all the testing again
I was wondering - deep rim (say 50/60mm)+round spokes vs shallow (30mm)+bladed spokes (say sapim aero spokes). How much worth of an advantage will the later option give, it will be more aerodynamic than the same rim with regular spokes but how much? As in more or less aerodynamic than 40mm?
Could anyone tell me?
you say you greased the bearings. what grease did you use?
What is the import costs like?
Thanks for the very good Video 🙏 But what do you think about corrosion with the alu Spokes and the alu/brass? Nippels? I think too, that the alu Spokes are better!
for the love of god can you test these rims aero drag and rolling resistance with 25mm tires. My 25mm gp5k tires with lattx tubes measure out to 28mm with 21mm internal/28mm external rims. I believe a 28mm gp5k would swell to near 30mm on 28mm wide rims.
Flo Cycling has made a test similar to what you're asking. Spoiler alert: 28 mm results in lower drag overall when accounting for RR and typical winds
@@philipk4475 ill have to check it out thanks, aerocoach did alot of 23 vs 25 testing, these videos are all 28 vs 32. Not much 25 vs 28 out there..
I dont use 25mm 5k apart from front wheel of my TT bike where im going for aero. On the road bike at lower speeds its almost always slower and just feels to harsh at a high enough pressure to not penalise Crr.
When will the results come out for all the wheels ?
Just wondering. Which camera setup do you use when filming yourself on the bike?
Probably an insta 360° camera
“NOT SO STIFF WHEELS” I actually like those.
Novatec Jetfly SL vs Fulcrum Racing Zero
For daily training rides, I actually prefer the Novatec Jetfly SL. It’s so much more forgiving on harsh roads. More comfort gets me going. My training rides are structured. I only care about pushing the power out. A not so stiff wheel actually makes it a better experience since structured workouts are brutal enough. I don’t need a bl**dy stiff wheel to transfer every single road buzz to my brains 💀
Not to mention, I can score two sets of Novatec Jetfly and still have change for coffee and cake compared to getting the Fulcrum Racing Zero
Awesome video! But I'm the fourth or fifth person to ask about that rear fender. I've seen your DIY short, but this is a different style. Will you please drop a link in the description or make a new DIY short?
Great video again Pete 👍 im looking a pair of 30/35mm wheels for windy days. A good compromise between quality and cost, any recommendations 🙏
What is that mud guard? Is there a front one?
Apparently it's a one he made ua-cam.com/video/Cu6dCq_1o6Q/v-deo.htmlsi=Kq0smSeNq1dTciYb
Please, please, please, can you tell me how load the freehub is? Did I miss this part in the video? To me personally it is the most important.
Cool... Thanks for sharing..
Another thing. What about that rear fender? Looks like it work better than the AssSaver I have for sure.. Aahh.. I saw another video where you talk about making it DIY
Why are you running the Campy rotors?
Because i think they're good
That data on yaw vs cda for different wheelsets seems like a really fun dataset to try some probabilistic multilevel modelling on, are you willing to share the dataset?
When you would compare these LV55's with the CD55's. Do you think these LV55's are the best buy or do you think the CD55's will have better performance? I am looking for wheels to do races on next year.
Looking forward to the d67 review
Surely I can 35 is the big standout here? That is some crazy aero for a 35mm wheel..
Would love to hear what clothing brands you rate. Cycling clothing cost so much now and the quality of clothing in bad weather can make or break a ride.
I was looking at the CD series and didn't even release they have two lower series. The lower LV seems like a no brainer since the only thing to seem to give up is carbon spokes and with your coupon code (Thanks) they come out to under $800 shipped. I wanted something light that I could setup tubeless with some 32c GP5000 S TR for my Aethos
The space is really heating up. Thanks for the reviews, giving consumers far better value choices than overpriced "western" brands
I think its becoming saturated
Just wondering if you have any plans to test the light bicycle wheels?
Not currently
@@PeakTorque I bought the AR56 off the back of Hambini's aero testing. They're a very decent set of wheels, fast, solid build and incredibly stable in wind. Much better than my Scribe wheels.
@@PeakTorque i have the AR565 with their patented wavy rim with Carbon-Ti hubs. Great wheels. I have zero ways of assessing them from an engineering point of view but… well, love them. And they do Carbon Spokes now too as an option
Thanks for posting your thoughts, sponsored or not. I am a new’ish follower of your channel. I ordered a set of rims, there is currently a bit of a backlog due to increased demand 😊 i was on the fence to get a set until i watched your review, the price is not bad. Ignore the critics and keep adding your take on things. All the best.
Same. I put in an order last week and its still not shipped. I wish their website was a little more intuitive. On their 'Shipping' page they talk about lead time and how much time they need if wheels are in stock/out of stock or custom builds but there is nowhere on the website or the orders page that tells you if they have stock. Just 'awaiting payment', 'awaiting shipping' and 'shipped'
I understand that its probably not going to arrive for a month as i chose the cheapest shipping option but i still check the status of my order every morning when i get up and every night before bed...I just want to see it marked as shipped so I know to start the countdown.
At least I'll have it before summer.
@@Rose.Of.Hizaki It is worth the wait, i received them a week ago, very happy with how they got packed and feel on my bike. They come with extra spokes and a set of long tubeless valves, you will not be disappointed.
@@epicnotawesome which ones did you get? I got the cheapo RV55's. Did you also take the free delivery option too? Sorry for asking so many questions. Hearing how much you're enjoying them makes me even more excited for mine to arrive 😊
@@Rose.Of.Hizaki I got the LV55’s, they got here fast after i got the shipped notice. I did pay for shipping.
Did you get your wheels ok? I got GV45 in 650b and very pleased with them
Now that is something interesting! If they went for r13, novatec or any of many similar hubs, it would have turned out cheaper and simpler for 9velo. But definetely not as appealing for buyers.
Hypothesis about yaw vs CdA: the graph shows greater variance for smaller angles, meaning wheel depth plays a greater role. 6 degrees is a critical value for flow separation and is resulting of rim profile, not depth. With greater angles wheels are stalling equalily and the only difference becomes side view area, hence the greater variance again.
Might be just an artifact of approximating two regimes with a single graph, because there are definetely too little data points around 6 degrees.
Would it work out cheaper? I thought keeping things "in house" would work out cheaper as youre not having to pay any extra overheads when it came to production. Afaik Novatec and Powerway hubs are made in Taiwan (Is 9velo from Taiwan??)
@@Rose.Of.Hizaki dunno about origin of 9velo, but can only guess PT would never work with Mainland.
As per inhouse production, it turns out cheaper if you can match the numbers. With forging, casting and semi-automated assembly hub production is a costly upfront investment.
@@feedbackzaloop Im guessing 9velo are from China like EliteWheels, Farsports, Winspace and all the other cheap carbon wheel brands that popped up within the last few years and started selling direct to consumer.
so partnership between manufacturers based in TW definitely isnt in the cards.
I assume they already had the resources available to build their own hubs otherwise they wouldnt be doing it.
though since their inhouse hubs are based off DT swiss hubs. There shouldnt be a whole lot to dislike unless the workmanship is terrible or the hubs are insanely loud like the hubs on HUNT wheels.
What brand is that mud guard?
Apparently he made that mudguard at home ua-cam.com/video/Cu6dCq_1o6Q/v-deo.htmlsi=Kq0smSeNq1dTciYb
It would be interesting to see the insides of the hub. And if I can use the same spare parts as for my 240 EXP system.
Do I need to put grease on hub spindle ?
No. Just added more grease under the end caps for weatherproofing
@@PeakTorque I did that. Thanks. I have ICAN climb 38 wheels with ICAN hubs and the bearings don't feel real good. I don't know if those are just worn/bad bearing or they are pinched
was there a reason you switched from the aldhu crankset to your current?
The aldhu is on my rim bike. Ive using this quarq for 6 years now!
are you selling these on FB at some point too?
Carbon wheelset with rim brakes are likely to be safe nowadays?
They've been quite safe for a long time. Especially for the mass majority of people on the planet that don't have access to very long, technical descents
Would still choose Ican's bcs they have EU warehouse with faster delivery and most important no TAX.
It would be cool if you were test the wavy design on the LB ar46 rim, would be interesting to see if it has aero benefits or a load of BS
@Peak Torque: could you give the model of your beautiful rear mudguard please.? I love the carbon look.
Made it myself
*_"Get a fast tyre..."_*
I went from riding Rubino pro's (III, IV's, G2.0's and whatever the current generation is... -- Everything after III has been rubbish) since 2016 to 25mm Conti GP5000's a few months ago and I was pretty surprised how much faster they were compared to the Rubinos. While the Pro III's were a pretty good tyre for the money back in their heyday, I cant remember them ever rolling them that fast.
Bit disappointed that their cheaper end rim brake wheels do not have grooved brake surface. Most of the competition at that price point do offer better braking surface
They probably don't expect selling enough of them to warrant the cost of grooving the brake track. It's a reasonable decision on their part.
I am in the market for a new set of wheels. I am looking for stiffness and aerodynamics. I want a wheel that is around 60mm. What can you recommend me the most? Weight does not particularly matter much to me. I currently ride the DT Swiss dicut arc 62mm wheelset with 240 dt hub. The new set needs to be an upgrade.
The hubs look like my old powerway CL31 hubs especially as they have enduro bearings.
hey PT, are you using the exact same tire per test and testing period? Variable wear of the tire may skew the results...excellent review by the way and thanks for raising awareness for this brand.
1450g for 55mm wheels at $800?! WOW
Spokes are not deinterlaced, why?? I get that the rims are plenty stiff but giving up durability (from the only right way to build disc wheels: 3 cross deinterlaced) doesn't make any sense!
Not sure if there is a method to the madness, but every video that doesn’t start with a Hambini “HELLO” is disappointing…
Thank you for your efforts; your reviews are a valuable addition to the cycling universe!
Great analysis!
Cycling past Dallam Tower right??
another great video thanks...
out of interest, of all the wheels you have tested/reviewed...which ones would you recommend. I thought Id decided on the Hyper 45 or 67...but now youce made me rethink things a little.
looking forward to your D67 tests
Do you want winter wheels that will last longer?
@@Mike0 no this will be summer wheels only.
@@JBR.1974 i had the previous generation of ican 40 rim wheels, the 35s would save some weight vs lun d45, but im still thinking of going with d45 for increased durability
maybe you can try the budget wheels from the scribe brand
I have a queue of wheels on test already!
Extra grease in hub?...grease attracts dirt and turns into a grinding paste.
Yoooo congrats on the product tester gig!
Its sure helping me get fit! Until I crashed...
Good job 👏
Have you seen this video regarding a 9 Velo wheelset? ua-cam.com/video/4kn-vu25RBU/v-deo.html It looks like the hub fell apart...twice!
Using more than 3 pawls for a road wheel is over kill, may be trials riders may need them but i doubt it lol
ca you try and get some of the enw carbon spoke wheels for a revioew please? been planning a buiold for 2 years and think they look great. not sure though as some tard reviewer has been slating 9velo... not Hambini though, for sure!
Not that it matters, but I do find the decal thingie on the Polaris to look far better than these ones.
Agreed. These are too flashy for me!
I asked them and you can get the wheels without the decals, no fees but 10 days longer waiting time.
If the owner is reading this, those huge decals are a turn off.
Good looking shoe.
Who is holding the camera???
the spirit of engineering himself
Probably an insta 360° camera
I haven't heard you try to say schwalbe. Can you do better than 99% of UA-camrs?
(I'm sure you meant the other one)
Haha. Yeh its the other one. The orange one.
Ex-farsports? I've nothing but good things to say about FS wheels.
I couldn't possibly say
Those hubs look exactly like the hubs on my lun grapids
"im not god", unsubscribed.
Going to get sued by the hairdresser union with an intro like that ;)
Meh. Another cheap Chinese wheelset. Nothing special.
Would love to hear your thoughts on some more domestically produced RTM wheels like Bike Beats or Falcon Composites. Or maybe some Corima or Bike Ahead
"weight weentards"!? infidel
Tone down the graphics
Your engineering, mechanical, and rudimentary aero content is really good, but again.....please stop purporting yourself to be a wheelbuilder or having any kind of substantial wheelbuilding experience because it is obvious you don't. You cant be an expert at everything. The amount of product you get discount code for is a little suspicious as well.
I have built wheels for myself and friends for the last 8 years, it's not rocket science. Never said i was an expert! What do you think i got wrong in this video? Please share your opinion
After the T-Type embarrassment it’s good to see you back in your wheelhouse 😉