Tutorial: Skanf No-Spin Knife Throwing (Part 1/3 - The Body Mechanics)
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- Disclaimer: Due to the dangers and potential injuries associated with knife throwing, any of your attempts to perform actions demonstrated in this video are done at your own risk.
What is presented here is barely the tip of the iceberg. For full training, contact Mikhail Belyaev (one of the original students under the founder, the late Yuri Fedin).
What is Skanf knife throwing? It is a method. A style that focuses on efficiently launching the knife like an arrow, appearing effortless and at times unbelievable that such power could be generated from so little body movement. Its foundations is based on waves, using centrifugal forces to generate such energy.
Skanf is neither superior nor inferior to other styles of no-spin throwing. It is simply different. How effective it is depends on you, your training discipline, and your ability to adapt it to fit your own movements.
This tutorial/demonstration is based on my understanding of Skanf and uses the side-arm variation of the throw. Please keep in mind Skanf has overhand, underhand, backhand, from the table, from the ground, and from behind variations of throwing... and that's just only part of the system.
As with any sport or activity, stop practicing and take a rest if you feel any pain, especially in your joints. They might say "no pain, no gain" but injuries also are indicators you may be doing something incorrectly such as using bad form.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro; What is Skanf?
1:01 How to Grip the Knife
2:52 Elbow/Hip Connection
4:40 Demonstration (Change of Distance, No Adjustments to Grip/Throw)
5:50 Demonstration (Throwing Knives of Different Styles/Weight Distribution).
6:00 Closing
For full lessons/instructions, you can reach out to Mikhail Belyaev.
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I’m new to knife throwing. Really is a nice way to relax after a stressful day. I don’t even care if it sticks or not.
Come to think about it, I just like throwing stuff. Anything within reach. Knives, brooms, rakes, lawn furniture, garden gnomes…it’s all good.
You just lightened up my day man 😄. Welcome to the world knife throwing (or the art of throwing in general 🙂).
small birds and street lamps fear you...
You make it look very easy!
Thank you for this. You are very articulate and a natural teacher.
Throwing no/spin is really easier than you would think ! I've thrown the military? 1/2 spin way since teen years, ( I'm 65 now, and recently tried no spin) and I wouldn't think of flipping more than a full flip with a knife longer than 10 inches overall !! It's ALL NO SPIN NOW BABY!! STRAIGHT IN !! ITS REALLY EASY!
Keep up the videos. I was impressed by your throwing but even more impressed by your ability to articulate the process. You have a natural teaching ability.
Well done on the explanation . The cut motion is the part where most folks are having issues with .
Indeed, I was focusing too much on the elastic finger motion. didn't notice Olga barely do any finger motion and still throw like a rocket
My knife throwing at 100% better after watching this and practicing, thank you so much
Nice work - you made it look easy - which is how it should look when you master a skill - thanks for sharing.
Merci pour ce tuto très clair .Je progrès vraiment grace a votre manière d'apprendre simple et efficace.
Love your setup, with the net, light and distance markers 🤙🏼
Wow! Excellent explanation
Very good teacher. Helped me make some improvements. Thanks
That was wonderfully clear. I hope my set arrives today.
Awesome video. Nice to know it takes long time to master this technique. It's very complex. I've been trying for couple months and can't do skanf no-spin for more than 3m. I'll check Mikhail. You helped me a lot
Thank you so much for your informative tutorial . 😍
Bravo! Excellente explication!
Thank you for a very good description and example.
Thanks! Let me know if there's something you'd like to see further explained or think I can improve on regarding the presentation 🙂
Thank you so much!! Really trying to get this technique down, appreciate your videos.
Great breakdown! Thank you.
great , really well explained
Simply the best intro to skanf ! Concise, precise and from someone who freshly went through and understand the first hurdles. Hope you can post more tutorials with tips along your journey to mastery. Btw why did you mentioned the half spin is your goal (and what would be pro and cons of it)? Thanks
Thank you! I wanted this tutorial to be an intro to help people get started and at least have a taste of developing the base foundations in the proper direction. It's almost a traditional martial art style approach.
I mentioned half-spin as my goal at the time because it was a short-term goal. Since Skanf has foundations on a martial art, I knew that some lessons/trainings from the half-spin would be applicable to (and refine even further) the no-spin technique.
Most of the time, techniques are seen as separate. However in a martial art, techniques tend to build on each other and help refine the initial lesson. The same happened to be the case with Skanf in Mikhail's curriculum.
great technique. nice easy motion
Good video. Thanks.
Thank you, really helpful
Thank you for not following the meta. I most enjoy knife throwing videos which don't begin with loud music, flashy intros, and quick-cut edits. Knife throwing is fundamentally opposite from that "instant gratification" attitude. I know I can safely validate this style in my own time after watching your video and listening closely. Subbed!
Thank you for the feedback. I did try the other format of presenting for part 2 but find that I like just showing it like I did here.
1000th like. good video, explained well.
Nice tutorial!
You make it look easy.
Thank you. It’s still undergoing further refinement but I’m almost ready to present the next part.
My apologies for not thanking you for a very good presentation and teaching technique.
no worries about it :)
Очень хорошо . Вы молодцы 👍
Thank you!! Your knife throwing demonstrations inspired me to choose Skanf as my throwing style when I first started learning to throw earlier this year 😊
Similar to golf swing..where club head squares at impact with ball at max speed ...but everything else leads the club head to impact
Great video! Really helped alot with the hip motions. So what kind of dollar range could someone expect to pay for lessons over the web like you was describing? Just ball park range.
Novice here, I will go practice what you showed us. Thanks very much for the intro.
Welcome to knife throwing and to the Skanf method.
One thing you may run into is the instinct to use your wrist to try to make sure the knife doesn't spin. Turn that off and think more of it like slinging a rock or throwing a frisbee sideways with a relaxed hand/finger. The finger placement should automatically help reduce the rotation and eventually get it sticking.
@@SilenMonser thank you very much for the tips.
I'm lucky, my neighbor had a large white pine tree removed. I asked for a 6" thick slice of the trunk. It will make a great target!
I throw overhand with the straight throw been throwing 10+ years. Good throwing non the less! I'll give this Technique a try!
Let me know if you got any questions. It can feel counter-intuitive, especially if you're used to using certain motions or using the wrist.
@@SilenMonser Yeah i use Adam Celadin's technique
@@jesseb9940 oh yeah, it’ll feel different. I think I’ll work on a video breaking down what’s happening on a technical level with some ideas/exercises to help focus on the movement a little easier
There was a slap like throw that a dude taught me years ago in the Army..sound kinda like what you are talking about..works Great for non spin👍
I have a shoulder issue, so overhand is uncomfortable for me. I really like the side action, including the hip twisting. New to me!
You should do a couple throws at the very beginning. That way we can visualize it from start to finish and have like a better grip on the whole like the action as a whole
A redo is in the works but might not be out for a long while. Definitely will include demonstrations in the beginning and throughout
Thanks for your wisdom! How to throw halfspin in skanf? I don't get it, what is difference in technic to get knife rotate half spin?
Hi Kristaps. I'm actually not sure yet as I haven't officially learned it. I've played around with it and believe it still comes back to using the wrist and finger's elasticity to automatically apply the correct amount of energy for the half-spin. While I managed to get it almost consistent, I haven't been able to extend it past 7 meters so I think I'm missing something.
Good explanation even Olga Fedina has complemented you . I see you use net for safety while throwing knifes into target. What is it and were can I get it to protect my throwing knife area ? Please advise would be grateful for it . Thank you
Thank you!
I bought the net from Acejet, Adam Celadin’s company. With shipping to US at the time, it was the cheapest available, and turned out to be pretty good quality.
@@SilenMonser thank you very much for quick respond, I got mine Stinger set from Acejet. Will check on net with them. Appreciate your help and good luck on learning SCANF. I've enjoyed your video .
Nice throwing, but the SKANF style uses a sudden stop of the throwing arm at the moment of release of the blade. At close range at least. At further distances, say beyond 6 mtrs or so, Yuri Fedin mostly switched to half spin. Not that the untrained eye could tell the difference! Lol.
You're correct. It's one of the forms/techniques in Skanf to perform a Skanf throw.
Here, I'm covering the introductory basics my teacher taught us first in order to train the body to primarily use the hips accordingly. It can eventually lead up to the format you're referring to.
Ioannis Logaras, a senior student under Mikhail who's now a certified Skanf instructor, provided a promotional video showcasing each type of Skanf throw/technique in our teacher's curriculum. ua-cam.com/video/S3fZi19w4yk/v-deo.html.
Like you, I was also under the impression Skanf no-spin looked only as you described but after learning it this way, I now know it's more so the concepts, theories, and principles behind the throw that make this form still a Skanf no-spin throw.
Let me know if you have any other questions and I'll try to answer them (but heads up, I'm still a student myself).
will this allow you to throw most any knife regardless ofhow the knife is balanced?
For the most part, yes. The founder/creator of Skanf based it on the wave combat system he had trained in. As such, the style was geared more towards practical use so that you could throw any potential melee weapon. Most weapons would likely have balance points between 20-80 or 80-20 ratio and anywhere in between.
Ms. Olga Fedina (daughter of Skanf founder Yuri Fedin) has a video of herself throwing screwdrivers, random various knives found in the kitchen, a wrench, and one of those handsaw blades.
I can throw short swords skanf style better than knives. Mr. Mikhail got a video showing this. I do practice with spikes and swords more than with knives
What type and brand of knife do you recommend
When it comes to recommendations, I say generally between 190 grams to 240 grams, about. Max of 280 grams; roughly center-balanced (can be slightly handle/head heavy). Any more or less will be to train/enhance certain aspects of the technique later.
Simple shapes are best to start with. Length should be about 8 inches to 10 inches (20cm to 25cm). It will help to have a handle of about 1 to 1.25 inch (25mm - 31mm) width.
Thickness is up to you. Thicker usually helps with weight/impact but 3/16" or 6mm thickness is fine. Anything less may be too light.
As for brands... the ones I picked up over the years are on the expensive side but perform pretty well and last quite a long time.
Brands//Models:
- Delta2Alpha// Tengu Kudaki
- Lefux// Fregat series
- Kim Vitaly// Spets 3 Pro Large, Tantogata.
- BIM Knives// Punisher daggers (ironically, these are meant for spin throwing).
- La Forge Du Faune// custom designed knives I call Sparrow blades (roughly $90 for set of 3).
On a budget:
- SZCO 10" heavy balance wavy-looking ones (Amazon)
- Kizlyar Osetr or Vyatiz models (Amazon)
- Cold Steel should be okay. Avoid circus style shapes.
Try to avoid stainless steel if you can. While they rarely rust, they do burr very easily, which is a potential to cut your hand and/or get steel splinters. If unavoidable, then try to avoid targeting the same single spot on the target board so they don't risk clashing and burring each other.
several years ago I was able to throw well around 7 feet. 2018 surgery was needed to rebuild my wrist. titanium plates and screws really blew it for me. But I think it is so cool. Cheers. How far can these be thrown with accuracy and power, by masters?
About 10-12 yards is the average cutoff before they recommend switching to halfspin. There are a few students who have been pushing this to 14-17 yards but not sure of their consistency.
With consistent accuracy and power, I would say roughly 6-7 meters. Adam Celadin has a video on Skanf with a few Skanf masters showing some demos and some explanations on how it’s thrown, theoretically.
@@SilenMonser Thank you for the kind, prompt reply!
@@SilenMonser Is the half spin more or less difficult once you are comfortable with 10 yard no spin?
@@paulandlesson hmm it’s more like it’s slightly different. One way you can think of it is when you reach your cutoff distance for no spin in Skanf, the knife is at the point where it’s now over rotating. So to keep the same technique and not fight with it so much, you just flip the blade over.
In Skanf, the throws/techniques actually build up on each other instead of being 2 separate techniques. They share the same foundational body movement. When learning half-spin, it refines your no-spin technique (I’m not sure if that was on purpose or was inadvertent but capitalized on it). If a halfspin were to be used closer than your no-spin distance cutoff, you would have to make the throw motion tighter. Olga Fedina (daughter of the founder of Skanf) has some videos of her Half spin at close range. You can see that instead of the standard windup and throw, it’s very sudden and snappy.
Bros bad ass
Awesome, my question is: Does no-spin carries less energy than spin method?
In practice, the Skanf half-spin and no-spin should be about equal in power, mainly because the way the energy is generated and transferred should be the same.
Once a key understanding of creating wave energy is grasped, it turns out the grip doesn't matter as long as the energy can be applied to it in the same way (meaning that from the knife's perspective, it feels the same force on it. Even if the grip changed, it wouldn't know).
How we grip for standard no-spin and half-spin is the same. As for other wave styles of throwing, I haven't really seen any half-spins from them so I don't know if energy is applied the same way like we do.
Outside of the Skanf system (and more in terms of western style instinctive throwing), the half-spin typically has more power because it's easier to throw... or rather, you don't have to worry too much about stopping the rotation to create no-spin (especially at longer distances). Therefore you can focus on applying more energy, getting a harder impact.
@@SilenMonser That's interesting, thank you
I like to think, the mass of the rotating tip of the knife is considerably less than the mass of the whole knife. In a spin, the knife slaps the target if it doesn't achieve the right alignment to the axis of the throw. So I would say a correctly thrown spinning knife thrown at the same speed as a no spin knife would have the same amount of force, given that the knives are identical and that the spinning knife ideally does not stick unless the knife is parallel/coaxial to the axis of throw at the time of contact with the target. But, that's hard to do, so we select no-spin to decrease the chance of a "slap."
Tldr;
Same force if you can get the spin perfect and stick it from any distance
Where could I get those knives
The knives on here were:
- Kim Vitaly's Tantogata slim model (explanation section). Delta2alpha (company based in Canada) is a vendor of his products.
- Flying Steel's Moonship model (first throwing demostration). FlyingSteel.com
- La Forge du Faune's "Classic" model. Store is on Etsy.com
Can't remember what the last knife was but I think it might have been a TomTom Arrow (Throwingzone - a company in France).
Lower back pain, is it another sign of doing this technique wrong?
Potentially, yes. But there are quite a few possible unrelated factors too.
Simply throwing too much can lead to the back pain.
If you're experiencing some back pain, rest and recover first. Then try the following checks on yourself:
Try keeping your upper body centered over your waist when moving/rotating. Don't lag your upper body behind too much when generating your rotation through your hips.
Also, try "riding off the wave" of the rotation energy as oppose to rotating harder/faster. This will otherwise increase tension on one of the sides of your lower back.
Indirect factors will be the ground you're standing on (uneven terrain or patchy grass spots?), the shoes you're wearing, and even how you're standing (slouching? too relaxed with your spine unsupported?). These could affect your execution of the technique and lead to some tension in your lower back. That's what I've found for me.
There's a point of being too relaxed, and there's also a point of being too firm/tense (which happens when I'm trying to add power to my throw).
One thing you can try doing is analyze yourself when you walk normally or turn normally. We can use that natural rotation energy in our throw accordingly.
@@SilenMonser any suggestion to minimize that risk?
@@PVCairsoftgunDUCKgunov Without seeing exactly what you're doing and ruling out several factors, it's hard to say.
I can only give generic suggestions such as to take things slow and be mindful of what your body is doing as you throw.
After each throw, analyze what exactly you just did starting from your feet, then up your legs, through your waist and upper body, to your arms, and then the knife.
As you do so, pay attention to when it is that you feel any slight tug or tension on your lower back. Try going through the whole throwing motion slowly. Don't even worry/care about sticking the knife.
If it's technique-related, this should highlight what to adjust.
Keep in mind this assumes you're perfectly fine outside of practice. A kidney stone (for example) will hurt whether you're throwing a knife or not.
Could just be an underlying back issue. I have five back injuries and after a while of throwing my back starts to hurt. Just try your best to work around it
WHERE DID YOU BUY THIS COURSE BC ONLY RUSSIANS AND CANADIANS ARE CONSIDERED SKANF?? ALSO, HOW COME YOUR THROWS PIVOT HALF WAY TO TARGET WHEN SKANF LEAVES THE HAND ALMOST IN A SPEAR FASHION?
For learning the course, I reached out to Mikhail Belyaev on Instagram. I assumed that's how the Canadians also learned it, but that's based on my interactions with the awesome people from Delta2Alpha.
There are a few Skanf practitioners in the US as well who have been certified to teach by Mikhail.
As for my throws pivoting... I'm not sure what you mean but keep in mind that this is just barely part 1 where I'm focusing on the internal body mechanic foundations for brand new people (or people who questioned the "pull, don't push" mindset).
You're also free to ask Olga (daughter of the Skanf founder). She commented in this video awhile back below under username "Skanfofficial".
She's another teacher that a few of my friends reach out to for discussion and I believe she also gives lessons (although I'm not sure how).
Oh, I think I just understood what you mean about the pivoting.
Do you mean why does the knife begin to rotate in that quarter-spin fashion instead of a literal zero-spin fashion?
If so, what we've found is that in reality, there is going to be a quarter spin. It's all a matter of camera angles.
Since Skanf practitioners usually throw the knife sideways (it's relatively easier and has it's own combat applications), the knife is rotating on a horizontal plane. Since the camera only sees the knife from the side or the front, it's hard to see that rotation/pivot.
However for this video, I'm showing an overhand Skanf throw. This is why you're able to see that there actually is a quarter spin. It's camera angles.
stance would be 45degrees ?
It can be. The important thing is to have hip rotation. You could be 90 degrees, as long as you turn towards the target with the hips during the throw.
Great video. Do you give lessons?
Thank you. At this time, no. Out of my respect for my instructor, I do not give lessons at this time. Once I've completed the training program and receive certification from my instructor to do so, I may consider it.
If you're interesting in lessons, there is a link to my instructor in the description box. Alternatively, I believe there is a certified instructor from Delta2Alpha who trained under my instructor as well.
They sell throwing knives and fight equipment but you can reach out to them and see if the instructor is willing to provide lessons as well.
@@SilenMonser ok, thank you for the advice Sir.
@@SilenMonser I’m just getting starting in this hobby. I’m looking for someone in Southern California to help with basic techniques of no spin.
@@chrisg2100 Check out Facebook groups like Kick Ass Knife Throwing, and Throwing Knife Life. There are some people who share a lot of tips on there and I believe a few are also in SoCal, like north of San Diego.
I can try to give some basic guidance with techniques through here too. Do you have any previous throwing experience or any martial arts background? Or any sports background in general?
@@SilenMonser Thanks for the advice, yes I have an athletic background and I did mess around with throwing knives at a teenager 30 plus years ago. But there was no technique going on, just me throwing at a tree and hoping it would stick. I have purchased some no spin knives and am in the process of gathering materials for a target.
Hell yeah its the price.🤣 what's that dude thinking?? And what people actually spend money to learn to toss a piece of metal.😆 Great tutorial by the way!!✊
Thanks for the support! Although I gotta say it feels like you’re also throwing shade at me since I did pay for the course 😅
@@SilenMonser 😆 you know what.... I didn't even put that together earlier when commenting.haha. Just poking fun. Zoned out in my thoughts. I did hit that like button.😉 Really what took me longer to learn, you probably learning quicker with the course. I don't throw this technique regularly, but glad i watched.😊
It’s all good 👍 I took it in good stride lol 😆
Can you get into Valhalla with a kill so casually dispensed?
Not sure, but you can ensure more space by denying others entry for the shame of falling to such a casual display of skill
@@SilenMonser Respect.🤝
Except we could not see you throw. Other wise great. Thanks.
😅 yeah, that was my blunder trying to do the video in one take. I reviewed it later that night when I saw that and was too tired to fix it. I probably could try a simple setup with multiple camera angles. Will look into that.
@@SilenMonser Thank you! Much appreciated. I throw hawk, used to do knife a little. No spin is new to me. Seems more versatile and potentially useful. I’ve experimented small amount with Adam C.s method.
Bạn nói được tiếng Việt ko
Sorry, I do not speak Vietnamese
@@SilenMonser ok I see your name is “Minh” I think you are Vietnamese
@@v.trung381 Oh I am. I just grew up in an area where I never use it so I'm not very good at speaking it. I do hear it though so I had an idea of what you were asking 🙂
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I'd rewrite this video in so many different ways.
I wouldn't blame you. Given my resources at the time though, I opted to keep it informational and simple.
Got any feedback though on what could help make it easier to watch?
@@SilenMonser I would say, the biggest thing I would change, is to show the technique at the very beginning of the video, instead of near the end. Maybe have a quick intro where you're throwing your knife a few times, from different angles. That way, folks that are watching would be able to decide quickly if it's something that they want to put any time into it.
Wow! It must feel great to be such an expert.
@@GlennVA2536 It's okay. I took it in stride. I'm also open to constructive feedback since there are always good ideas floating around.
Speaking of which, if you or anyone reading this have suggestions on what you'd like to see explained, had any confusion about something I covered, or think I can present the topic in a different way, let me know! I won't guarantee it'll be covered or implemented but... Can't fix what I don't know is broken, and can't grow a tree without planting a seed 🙂.
great demonstration, but I have to say that this is the most gay method I ever saw
😅 dunno what to say lol. I tried breaking it down to the core focus of it and this was the clearest I could make it for anyone who wanted to at least get the main foundation behind all the variations of gripping. It ended up looking like this for me.
There’s Skanf.deutchsland and ioannislogaras on Instagram (and UA-cam somewhere) who make it look better than I did here. Danny S here on UA-cam shows a lot of it too, while sitting at a table (which is one of the things Skanf advertises). There’s just very little tutorials in English that help others get started a little quicker and easier.
Anyway, thanks for letting me know I’m doing good with the demonstrations. I’m never quite sure if I’m missing something or could have explained something better when it comes to tutorials in general.