Wow, Your explanation are crystal clear for me. I am start throwing only two days ago and now your lessons make me improve and understand well. Thank you so much bro.
Thanks! Honestly though, this is still a work in progress. The Skanf system is like a traditional martial art where as you progress, you find gems of knowledge that strengthen the first lesson/skill you learned.
I had not seen this yet! Best explanation of several concepts in a single video. Those concepts map to several key parts of the Skanf book but explained in a much nicer and pedagogical way. Great!
Dang I am new to knife throwing and stumbled across your series here. So well done. This technique makes a lot of sense from a physics standpoint. The catapult is a great analogy. A lot of subtle detail to digest but, again, it all makes sense. Now I will practice
Imagine you have a short whip ingested into a snake and as your sling the snake backwards you change direction and release the whip from it's throat. A Master taught me this. Hope this helped.
I'm so glad that part 3 is here! Your teaching style is superb (as usual) and it gives me a lot to think of and test out. Thanks a million, man! I'm also glad that you listed Louis Prince in the resources section. His video titled 'The wave in Wave Style throwing' was a breakthrough for me re figuring out the core mechanics.
I’m glad you’re finding ideas from my tutorials! And yes, Louis has a great perspective and understanding of the wave energy he’s able to convey in his own way. It seemed like a great idea to provide different perspectives of the same topic to help expand one’s understanding.
Great video, I can tell you put a lot of effort into going over all the steps. Could you do one on Olga's beautiful half spin throws? I think that's the most difficult part of skanf throwing to understand.
Unfortunately, not as this time as I myself have not received the proper instruction on it. I have tried experimenting with it and have some ideas on the mechanics but nothing guaranteed nor confirmed: As practice, consider treating your index finger as a slingshot. I also think using the double-wave snapping will help, which also sounds weird but at some point, I plan to make and upload a video on the types of waves we can generate in general.
Thanks man! Great, great lessons! This helped me a lot! I wasn't able to figure out what I was doing wrong before watching this last video. Funny thing is, I was already doing those claps to exercise my fingers and wrist lock just after watching the section 2, your early explanation naturaly lead me there. You're an awesome teacher
Great question. This might require further discussion and possibly a video to explain. I'm not sure if my answer is correct but the simplest answer I can give is: Inertia is the object's resting force, meaning it won't move until a greater force overcomes its resting forces and makes it move. Skanf takes advantage of an object's inertia to apply to our body and create the elastic stretch of our fingers/wrists/arm. We then utilize that as our source of throwing energy instead of using our forearm muscles. It's how we "passively push" the knife when our ligaments are trying to return to their own "resting" position. The elastic forces are easiest to create through a pulling motion, which is why Skanf often says, "Pull, don't push." We stretch ligaments through pulling, like pulling on a coiled spring. Or pulling a slingshot. There are at least 2 ways to load the knife with elastic energy for throwing (I think I might have mentioned it in the video? Not sure). From it, there are two ways to look at inertia. 1) "Throw" the knife back until the knife is horizontally pointing back (loading wave), and then pull forward (launching wave). Technically, as the knife is reaching the end of the loading motion and your arm stops, you'll notice the knife "pulling" on your arm/wrist/finger right before you pull back on it to launch it forward. If you didn't hold onto it at the end of loading, the knife would fly out your hand and go in the backwards direction. At that specific moment, you could argue that the inertial mass is our arm and body as the knife tried to move us (but couldn't because it's weaker compared to our body). But in doing so, it stretched our arm, wrist, or finger back, building up elastic forces. If we did not do anything after the first loading wave, the knife and our arm would just fall/swing down as it relaxes and loses the elastic force/energy. 2) Hold the knife in a position where upon pulling forward to throw the knife, the knife's inertia causes it to lag behind. It will pull our finger back briefly, the knife attempting to keep its resting position in space. Of course, the knife will fail to hold its position and move since our pull is stronger. But right before moving, it was able to drag our finger tip with it in its attempt to stay still, stretching our finger ligaments and building up elastic force. Overall, Skanf will attempt to take advantage of these elastic forces created by the inertia of the knife (or the body, depending on perspective) in order to throw the knife. It's a very technical answer but I hope it answered your question. Let me know if you'd like more elaboration and I can try expressing my thoughts on this in other ways.
@@SilenMonser thanks, man. Very good! It takes a while for me to chew this all down though. :) At some throws the knife slowly over rotates and at some throws the knife flies all the way in the same angle, unmoving. What is the secret of these optimal throws?
@@joelholopainen6865 Honestly, I've been seeking that myself. Sometimes I'll get it... and then I can't reproduce it right away. But with that said, I think I have a better idea of what you were going for regarding your inertia question. Ms. Olga Fedina has a video on her channel of her father and Skanf Founder Yuri Fedin throwing water bottles over long distances (indoors), partially filled with liquid. Not much was said about it but I think there was some kind of study going on regarding the inertia of the center of mass of a knife. It might sound weird, but I think the question was raised: Is there a way to manipulate the knife's center of mass to take the lead like how the water does inside a thrown bottle that causes the bottle to straighten out as it flies? Of course, we'd have to move past the superficial observation that the knife and water bottle aren't the same b/c the water could move inside the bottle. I tried this exercise, just throwing partly filled water bottles at the net to observe the flight pattern. That's how I came to my conclusion that pushing with the wrist causes over-rotation. The bottles would jumble in the air more before straightening out. The other thing I've been wondering about (and have been unable to properly test) is if it has to do with how stiff/relaxed the index finger is upon launching the knife. When watching Bimo throw his knives in the BIM style, it always appears to be in that zero angle flight and his method uses an active finger spring. Although that could just be the camera angle. Is it possible that it comes from maintaining a certain grip shape that limits how far our index finger can bend back... thereby increasing the elastic forces? When trying reverse grip no-spin with a hand too relaxed, it doesn't fly well. That's what I've been observing and working on lately.
@@SilenMonser I really don’t know. The whole thing is like a giant maze where grope in the dark. According to my experiments the secret of straight throws is succeeding in every part of a proper skanf throw: relaxation, elasticity, pulling, rhythm/ timing, straight line, guiding with index, etc…. 🤷
With No-Spin, a few of my martial brothers have thrown from at least 20 meters or yards. I believe 26 meters was the furthest I've seen. Consistently though, I believe 10 meters is the furthest I've seen consistently sticking. Joel Holopainen is among those who practice at that range. Half-spin, you can try judging by watching the competition/demo video here of the late founder Yuri Fedin: ua-cam.com/video/IFKNndWhrQM/v-deo.html. Reverse-grip/Ice-pick grip, 6 to 8 meters is the furthest I've seen so far. Suitable for close-quarters combat if really necessary or pulling off a specific strategy. Lester Flor is quite proficient in the reverse-grip throw from long range (8-10 meters?). However, he claims he does not practice Skanf although the body mechanics appear to be Skanf (unfortunately, you cannot discern Skanf just by how it looks). I hope this answered your question.
Actually, you’re the one I watch the video about cracking the whip and that’s with clicked with me. You’re the original not taking credit for you, but I am telling people because of you.
Thanks! And it's all good. I'm not the originator of the whip analogy either, although I do have experience with cracking the whip Anthony De Longis style so I thought I'd take it a step further to differentiate between wide slashing/cutting cracks versus pinpoint targeting cracks. I saw your video a moment ago. Your analogy of the wet towel whipping was actually an analogy I had considered using as well, but it just made the video longer. Side note (if you haven't already): Tape some powerful magnets to the end of a stick to help with picking up knives from the floor. It's what I used to do to reach into places the knife flew into that was difficult to reach.
@@1Scorpion_thrower That's a good question... I'm not sure how to do that here either... Feel free to comment on here accordingly though if you have questions. I do my best to answer them.
@@SilenMonser cause everybody always says hit the like a share in the comment button which I would hit like comment share if I call you know what I mean but I never knew if that’s how you how do I subscribe to your channel that’s what I don’t know. Never mind I figured it out. I’m smart lol
Great clarity of instruction I now understand the skampf much better
Thank you for your very good explanation of Russian knife throwing SKANF - Mr. Fedin.
Thank you for the explanations. I was completely stuck in my learning of skanf and now I finally have the concepts and principles.
Wow, Your explanation are crystal clear for me. I am start throwing only two days ago and now your lessons make me improve and understand well. Thank you so much bro.
I'm glad you found it helpful 🙂
Jesús! You’ve successfully uploaded the best skanf tutorial on UA-cam. Thank you! 🙏❤️
Thanks! Honestly though, this is still a work in progress. The Skanf system is like a traditional martial art where as you progress, you find gems of knowledge that strengthen the first lesson/skill you learned.
@@SilenMonser Im looking forward to more of your videos.
Great lesson/tutorial!!! Thank you
Well thought my friend
Good pedagogical skills and great stuff. I learned new things. You must be some kind of teacher in work life. :)
I had not seen this yet! Best explanation of several concepts in a single video. Those concepts map to several key parts of the Skanf book but explained in a much nicer and pedagogical way. Great!
I'm practicing skanf one year. Your videos are the best! Great explanation!
Thank you!
Thank you for part 3 . Very smooth throws. Cheers !
Dang I am new to knife throwing and stumbled across your series here. So well done. This technique makes a lot of sense from a physics standpoint. The catapult is a great analogy. A lot of subtle detail to digest but, again, it all makes sense. Now I will practice
Very good 👍
Excellent analysis of Olga & Aleksey.
Very exhaustive tutorial, thank you.
Imagine you have a short whip ingested into a snake and as your sling the snake backwards you change direction and release the whip from it's throat. A Master taught me this. Hope this helped.
I'm so glad that part 3 is here! Your teaching style is superb (as usual) and it gives me a lot to think of and test out. Thanks a million, man!
I'm also glad that you listed Louis Prince in the resources section. His video titled 'The wave in Wave Style throwing' was a breakthrough for me re figuring out the core mechanics.
I’m glad you’re finding ideas from my tutorials!
And yes, Louis has a great perspective and understanding of the wave energy he’s able to convey in his own way. It seemed like a great idea to provide different perspectives of the same topic to help expand one’s understanding.
Great video! I learned a lot, thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video, I can tell you put a lot of effort into going over all the steps. Could you do one on Olga's beautiful half spin throws? I think that's the most difficult part of skanf throwing to understand.
Unfortunately, not as this time as I myself have not received the proper instruction on it.
I have tried experimenting with it and have some ideas on the mechanics but nothing guaranteed nor confirmed: As practice, consider treating your index finger as a slingshot. I also think using the double-wave snapping will help, which also sounds weird but at some point, I plan to make and upload a video on the types of waves we can generate in general.
Thank you for all the work put in your videos.
Thank you, perfect tutorial !🙂
This is really impressive and not getting nearly enough attention.
6:44 very excellent. Same movement as Yuri.
Thank you! 🙏
Concept like Tongbei and Chen style Taiji, body moves ahead of external limbs, and elastic snapback
Yes indeed 👍
Thanks man! Great, great lessons! This helped me a lot! I wasn't able to figure out what I was doing wrong before watching this last video. Funny thing is, I was already doing those claps to exercise my fingers and wrist lock just after watching the section 2, your early explanation naturaly lead me there. You're an awesome teacher
I’m glad you’re finding some insight and getting a breakthrough 🙂. Let me know if you have any questions. I’ll do my best to explain what I can.
I keep coming back to this. The teaching of one hand clapping is awesome. A question: what does inertia mean in the context of skanf?
Great question. This might require further discussion and possibly a video to explain. I'm not sure if my answer is correct but the simplest answer I can give is:
Inertia is the object's resting force, meaning it won't move until a greater force overcomes its resting forces and makes it move.
Skanf takes advantage of an object's inertia to apply to our body and create the elastic stretch of our fingers/wrists/arm. We then utilize that as our source of throwing energy instead of using our forearm muscles. It's how we "passively push" the knife when our ligaments are trying to return to their own "resting" position.
The elastic forces are easiest to create through a pulling motion, which is why Skanf often says, "Pull, don't push." We stretch ligaments through pulling, like pulling on a coiled spring. Or pulling a slingshot.
There are at least 2 ways to load the knife with elastic energy for throwing (I think I might have mentioned it in the video? Not sure). From it, there are two ways to look at inertia.
1) "Throw" the knife back until the knife is horizontally pointing back (loading wave), and then pull forward (launching wave).
Technically, as the knife is reaching the end of the loading motion and your arm stops, you'll notice the knife "pulling" on your arm/wrist/finger right before you pull back on it to launch it forward. If you didn't hold onto it at the end of loading, the knife would fly out your hand and go in the backwards direction.
At that specific moment, you could argue that the inertial mass is our arm and body as the knife tried to move us (but couldn't because it's weaker compared to our body). But in doing so, it stretched our arm, wrist, or finger back, building up elastic forces.
If we did not do anything after the first loading wave, the knife and our arm would just fall/swing down as it relaxes and loses the elastic force/energy.
2) Hold the knife in a position where upon pulling forward to throw the knife, the knife's inertia causes it to lag behind. It will pull our finger back briefly, the knife attempting to keep its resting position in space.
Of course, the knife will fail to hold its position and move since our pull is stronger. But right before moving, it was able to drag our finger tip with it in its attempt to stay still, stretching our finger ligaments and building up elastic force.
Overall, Skanf will attempt to take advantage of these elastic forces created by the inertia of the knife (or the body, depending on perspective) in order to throw the knife.
It's a very technical answer but I hope it answered your question. Let me know if you'd like more elaboration and I can try expressing my thoughts on this in other ways.
@@SilenMonser thanks, man. Very good! It takes a while for me to chew this all down though. :)
At some throws the knife slowly over rotates and at some throws the knife flies all the way in the same angle, unmoving. What is the secret of these optimal throws?
@@joelholopainen6865 Honestly, I've been seeking that myself. Sometimes I'll get it... and then I can't reproduce it right away.
But with that said, I think I have a better idea of what you were going for regarding your inertia question.
Ms. Olga Fedina has a video on her channel of her father and Skanf Founder Yuri Fedin throwing water bottles over long distances (indoors), partially filled with liquid. Not much was said about it but I think there was some kind of study going on regarding the inertia of the center of mass of a knife.
It might sound weird, but I think the question was raised: Is there a way to manipulate the knife's center of mass to take the lead like how the water does inside a thrown bottle that causes the bottle to straighten out as it flies? Of course, we'd have to move past the superficial observation that the knife and water bottle aren't the same b/c the water could move inside the bottle.
I tried this exercise, just throwing partly filled water bottles at the net to observe the flight pattern. That's how I came to my conclusion that pushing with the wrist causes over-rotation. The bottles would jumble in the air more before straightening out.
The other thing I've been wondering about (and have been unable to properly test) is if it has to do with how stiff/relaxed the index finger is upon launching the knife.
When watching Bimo throw his knives in the BIM style, it always appears to be in that zero angle flight and his method uses an active finger spring. Although that could just be the camera angle.
Is it possible that it comes from maintaining a certain grip shape that limits how far our index finger can bend back... thereby increasing the elastic forces?
When trying reverse grip no-spin with a hand too relaxed, it doesn't fly well.
That's what I've been observing and working on lately.
@@SilenMonser I really don’t know. The whole thing is like a giant maze where grope in the dark. According to my experiments the secret of straight throws is succeeding in every part of a proper skanf throw: relaxation, elasticity, pulling, rhythm/ timing, straight line, guiding with index, etc…. 🤷
@@SilenMonser do you have the book translated in english?
Thankyou
Great thanks 👍
Awesome Great Throwing 🎯 I Throw To 😊
How far can a knife be thrown using Stanford Method?
With No-Spin, a few of my martial brothers have thrown from at least 20 meters or yards. I believe 26 meters was the furthest I've seen.
Consistently though, I believe 10 meters is the furthest I've seen consistently sticking. Joel Holopainen is among those who practice at that range.
Half-spin, you can try judging by watching the competition/demo video here of the late founder Yuri Fedin: ua-cam.com/video/IFKNndWhrQM/v-deo.html.
Reverse-grip/Ice-pick grip, 6 to 8 meters is the furthest I've seen so far. Suitable for close-quarters combat if really necessary or pulling off a specific strategy.
Lester Flor is quite proficient in the reverse-grip throw from long range (8-10 meters?). However, he claims he does not practice Skanf although the body mechanics appear to be Skanf (unfortunately, you cannot discern Skanf just by how it looks).
I hope this answered your question.
Like cracking a whip I tell people if you have a whip and are able to crack it then u can do this technique
Actually, you’re the one I watch the video about cracking the whip and that’s with clicked with me. You’re the original not taking credit for you, but I am telling people because of you.
Thanks! And it's all good. I'm not the originator of the whip analogy either, although I do have experience with cracking the whip Anthony De Longis style so I thought I'd take it a step further to differentiate between wide slashing/cutting cracks versus pinpoint targeting cracks.
I saw your video a moment ago. Your analogy of the wet towel whipping was actually an analogy I had considered using as well, but it just made the video longer.
Side note (if you haven't already): Tape some powerful magnets to the end of a stick to help with picking up knives from the floor. It's what I used to do to reach into places the knife flew into that was difficult to reach.
@@SilenMonser how do I add you as a friend? I am so new in computer illiterate.
@@1Scorpion_thrower That's a good question... I'm not sure how to do that here either...
Feel free to comment on here accordingly though if you have questions. I do my best to answer them.
@@SilenMonser cause everybody always says hit the like a share in the comment button which I would hit like comment share if I call you know what I mean but I never knew if that’s how you how do I subscribe to your channel that’s what I don’t know. Never mind I figured it out. I’m smart lol