All the Bots Got Banned
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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edit: hi hi, just wanna say be cautious about the 16k number. the whole thing is super noisy. we can't really know the wave size unless bot hosters want to tell us exactly how much they went up or down by.
the 16k is mixed in with normal players coming in and out from steam maintenance, it could be idle bots being affected (they didn't come back, or got banned too lol), the timing steam polled player numbers, etc. regardless though it did look different to the previous tuesday downtime on the charts, there was two system messages* sent out about server downtime, where the last time they did that was (apparently) once on Oct 1, 2022, and you can hop in game and see the very clear lack of bots. i'm not aware of any exhaustive up to date list of bots globally so it'd be hard to make any estimations of the wave size. sorry if i caused any confusion here :>
* tf2 system messages: x.com/TFSysMessages
topic 2: i can't personally verify it but community bans are seemingly a big tent that encapsulates lots of varying kinds of bans underneath it. i've gotten reports that community bans do block access to VAC servers, and this reply (to this comment) that's seemingly a good summary of the lay of things:
@polistirex
Hi shounic, wanted to say, community bans will in some occasions but not always prevent you from joining a VAC secured server. I have several accounts which are marked as community banned that cannot join any valve server and in one case access the steam library at all. There are different ban reasons. If your ban is for any kind of account fraud OR game abuse like most bot accounts, it will be completely restricted. The same goes if you are caught buying an account off G2A for example.
here's 30 mins of me running around looking for bots
ua-cam.com/video/3R2QRiH6cHQ/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/4brSl210Z88/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/DZ0gGRjZPuE/v-deo.html
As far as I know, there are also ZERO bots in Serbia servers, very rare occasion
Just let the game die man. We need more r6s player
@@Deezsirrer r6s is boring
@@Deezsirreri hope you die within the next year
@@Deezsirrerno sentinent being will ever support untersoft
WAVE COMPLETE
GET TO AN UPGRADE STATION
No way 💀
Shit 48 more waves
Time for wave 2 as they say
now we all need to download cheat clients for the upgrades
Bullet and Crit resistance is important for this wave
Literally TF2 cycle:
Its over > ITS NOT OVER > Its over > ITS NOT OVER
Tf2 is like Desinc, im fine, IM NOT FINE, im fine
It’s over
We’re so back
It’s over
We’re so back
This reminds me of everytime Sora ends his combo saying, "It's over!" Even though the boss still has like 10 bars of HP to go through.
IT'S NOT OVER YET, SNAKE!
it's over
WE'RE BACK
IT'S SO OVER
*WE'RE SO BACK*
Classic Valve
>do nothing
>then do something and say nothing
tbh I like the idea of them doing something and not saying anything. Yeah it keeps real players in the dark but it also keeps the hosters on their toes even more
Then go straight back into doing notting
typical introvert behavior
kinda gigachad move
@@stevefan8283typical incel comment
-0:18-- Now that the bots are gone, we can observe the natural TF2 player talking in chat-
EDIT: It seems shou has censored the chat, respectfully so, since it was a bad taste shock comment about sexually assaulting Mr Beast because the natural TF2 player loves male pregnancy. Yeah...
To not make this comment contempt, at 0:33 we can observe the natural TF2 player's sexual orientation
bruh
dear god
ignorance was bliss
I can't believe people just share so openly about that shit...
welcome to team fortress 2 after 9 years in development, hopefully it was worth the wait
I wonder if he kept that clip in intentionally lol
I saw a post about Valve putting bans on bot accounts but giving the connected main account(s) a warning. In other words, if Valve has detected that you have an account linked to the banned bots (how, I do not know, IP/MAC matches maybe), the host can still keep their main account. And if they continue hosting bots, then all of their accounts are affected.
In other words, Valve is now trying just to scare off the bot hosters. No real fix to TF2 has been made, not even a tweak to the Source Engine.
Personally I'd love to see some proper legal action against the bot hosters to put some actual pressure on them but beggars can't choosers. And I expect the bots to be back within a week.
It would be great, and actually a pretty good solution to this
Legal action isn't an option if the bot hosters live in Russia, sadly.
@@NerfPlayeR135they could invest in General Dynamics lmao
@@TheR00ndar You'd have to get in the Habit of Crossing Lines to go that far, probably, lol
This is great news. The worst part of this has been the lack of consequences. Using limited evidence to tie to main accounts and warn them is such a good thing.
I get a feeling that the "treadmill" problem of infinitely banning bot accounts would become a staple of TF2 from now on, i just hope that bot hosters would eventually get bored of it and move on
It’s been like 5 years since bots really became a problem, I think it’s safe to say they’re in it for the long haul.
Bored is not an option when TF2 and csgo are money making machines
@@papahemmy8587doeshotter and magic sparkle are both gone. Some of them do get bored with it eventually
@@unquestionableexistance8704not like they can take enjoyment since the TF2 community the moment a bot joined either kick it immediately or absolutely clobber their bots. I even have a dedicated direct hit battalions backup soldier loadout just for clobbering bots and man its fun seeing those snipers turn into a bloody gib even when theres 5 of them
Just make them lose enough money.
They can only talk if they spend a minimum of 1 dollar.
So one bot per dollar can add up.
Unless the requirement of activated steam account should be made. Then is a bit more money lost per account.
The man who sacrified his Pwnage Saxxy to the Chaos Gods:
*they called me a madman*
I was online for that alert and had to do a double take
What are you talking about
@@VEE0034you know the saxxy statue melee right? the one that is so few and so rare that you can't get it anymore?
well, a day before the ban someone melt it into scraps in a casual which shocked everyone
@@VEE0034 those saxxys are only given to tf2 animation team winners back then. So they are very rare.
@@pututunik8748 Holy cow... Just like that? I wonder what was that person's reason to do that...
Damn Valve actually did something
Probably just typed "enable_cheats 0" which they forgot to, years ago
@@Jackfromshack
if (is_bot(player)) {
ban(player);
}
i am as impress as you are fellow toaster
How much is going to last
@@clementp7860 Reply section becoming a furry convention, 3... 2... 1...
"You've pushed them back.. For now. Get to an upgrade station for the next wave."
This is, completely unironically, with no hyperbole or exaggeration, the single best piece of news I've seen in fucking years.
the bots are completely all back 💀
Absolutely brother
@@kewlman5417 Pain.
I have reported 4 bots and all of them got a matchmaking ban
okay one or two or all of 3 things happened
1: valve did something and actually, forever, fixed the bots-ish
2: bots giving us false hope
3: bot hosters got busted/bored
4:sex 2 was released
Valve likely did something, as it appears that, although bots are man-managed, they can be uploaded and left alone with a simple algorithm. Recently the creators tied them in with the #FixTF2 movement, so this will significantly hinder progress to snuff out who is what by those merits.
But beyond that, we can only hope this is a proper fix, just keep tabs from three days to a week. A month at best if you really wanna be patient.
since they are still SOME bots that means either they did a manual botting wave which means those bots have the same cheats or they did something that detects those cheats and those other bots are using different type of it
None of them. Valve just banned bots for them to turn back like in 5 days
Edit: I am not telling that it is %100 useless. Just telling this is a weak step. That doesnt means be pessimistic.
@@HamsiKral53 Yeah I was gonna say, I don't think any of these things happened
@@HamsiKral53 Community: "Valve, please ban the bots"
Valve: bans the bots
Community: Wow what a weak step
???
Seriously what the hell do you people want?
"human grit always beats robot magic" - Jane doe
that's a start.
Heavy Weapons Guy, what is your wisdom
@@GewelReal sandvich.
holy crap tf2 heavy real
@@TeufortHeavy is nice
i played a few games in a row yesterday all without bots and it genuinely felt like something was missing 😭
Stockholm syndrome 😔
@@self-proclaimedanimator fr
0:31 found a bot
1:00 “impossible to find a bot”
They are back on Oceanic server this morning.
Press F for those TF2 fans who hadn’t make it to this day seeing this glorious victory.
Hey shounic, what software do you use to create your infographics? I’d love to know because I’m interested in creating them myself on a separate project of mine
1:00 that spy knifing the pyro is me lol
Imagine how funny it would be if the omega r34 is what convinced valve to do something. Just like "NOPE. WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT."
The what now
@@thedarteryou don’t wanna know
@@DOCTOR_ERROR_ on second thought you're absolutely right
Valve when bot hosters spread cp : I sleep
Valve when OMEGATRONIC gay porn : real shit
@@DOCTOR_ERROR_ I wanna know
i know the bots will be back or at least attempt to come back, but in this short period I just wanna imagine:
there are bot hosters someone who are currently scurrying trying to get their bots back online ASAP to make the game unplayable on official servers and I just have to think: why
the only potential person with real incentive might be someone making money off of software that automizes the process for, whatever reason. And while I hate it, I understand why someone would want to fix that to keep making money. But if it's not that situation, I really don't get why anyone would bother putting the bots back up.
if it’s not about money, then it’s surely for attention
because some people are just complete dickheads with nothing better to do
The only reason is to hurt others fun. Unfortunately, there is a portion of people who get pleasure out of upsetting people for no reason, and they want to keep doing that. I also think it might be a power trip thing because of their determination to work around Valve's updates.
They do it because some people take casual being unplayable as a personal insult against everything they hold close. Those people tend to freak out in very funny ways, which they then review through chat logs, forum posts, UA-cam videos, etc. They're trolls, plain and simple
personally i always thought the bot hosters are secretly working for competing shooter games, trying to take out their competition. it's just a theory but i refuse to believe they are doing this much work and not getting paid for it
"don't give me hope"
Fr
Developers doing visible work.
Community: "fuck off!".
Developer: 🥲
@@droopy_eyes i said it as a meme, of course i hope they actually do something after all these years, just don't get me hyped and then disappear again
This is a good start, but let's see if they can keep it up
WAVE COMPLETED
[ Get to an upgrade station ]
Wave 1 : Mindless AFK Bot (and Cheat Bot) *[Defeated]*
Wave 2 : Bots acting like TF2 CPU to farm items
Thank you Janitor for your continuous work on TF2! At least he's listening!
Remember: this isn’t a win yet. It’s a start, but without a more permanent fix, the FixTF2 movement needs to continue.
All Valve had to do was play the waiting game and click a button. Certified Valve classic.
1:00 soldier in pink is a cheater, he’s racked up quite a few bans
He was the bhopping trolldier right
@@denizatik6534it’s the one with the butterfly text art name and pink crone’s dome, his name is “Brain” now
Valve when they use literally 1% of their power:
I live in South America and actually there is not bot for a long time, not necessarily by save tf2
oh no not the dreaded treadmill work
I've noticed this about 2 weeks ago already. For a few days I have met literally ZERO bots. Then they returned, but they were different as they weren't spamming the voice chat + had an imperfect aimbot (sometimes they would even miss), and had cosmetics. So presumably it was a different hoster. However, there wasn't that many of them this time around, so kicking them was a much easier task. Also a few days ago I saw severeal of them being VAC banned instantly upon joining the server. Great to see Valve finally doing something.
Shounic is the unsung pillar for this movement.
Grounded
Informative
Straightforward
GIS
Groinfstr
Weird how some people see him as defending valve when he’s just giving his insight on valve’s internal structure
@@darrenchen964 Many lack reading comprehension and objective evaluation skills, which is even more apparent in text-based internet conversations
@@tappajaavthey're literally children most of the time, which explains the lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking
You're Doin' Good Lad!
pretty sure in the near future we'll see the "the last bot alive in tf2" video.
Finally, inner peace
The community ban could be to prevent bot accounts from mass voting workshop items.
Im so glad valve got us an early summer gift
inb4 The entire community celebrates and stops caring about #fixtf2 just like they did with #savetf2 and Valve's tweet and later down the line the bots start flooding the game again
Wait, is VALVe finally doing something?
The biggest surprise to me was the fact that VAC actually led to bans. I thought it objectively didn't work in TF2 lol
As a game dev who knows other devs who work directly on catching cheaters, hackers, and bots, I feel it is important to remind everyone that these ban waves are the most effective way of dealing with these undesired accounts for multiple reasons. Just 2 quick ones right here:
1) If you just ban accounts as soon as you find them, it makes it easier for the programmers of those accounts to figure out exactly what they did wrong to alert the devs of their misbehavior(s). "Trial and Error" makes up a lot of what programming is, so by obfuscating that info to the programmers it makes it much harder to bypass Valve's security & checks.
2) I'm not sure specifically for TF2, but it is not uncommon for these cheats, hacks, and/or bots to not be free and to cost money for willing users, so by banning the accounts using these tools all at the same time it causes these previously paying users to desire a refund b/c the tool they bought doesn't work anymore, basically turning the ban wave into a refund wave that hits the wallets of the people making these tools, which if you do enough times basically eventually takes them out of business of selling these tools. Again, idk about this w/ TF2 specifically with it being a free game right now or how easy it is to make a hack for a game that's almost over 20 years old at this point, but in general for video games this is a typical trend.
So, if you see other bot &/or cheating accounts after this wave and Valve is seemingly "not doing anything about them," just be aware that they might be waiting to catch even more bots/hackers all at once, which yes does suck to deal with for however long it takes to wait for said next ban wave, but these waves are the most effective way of dealing with these things. Definitely still report them if you can if you're 100% sure they're doing something they shouldn't, it still helps out the Valve team. Just don't assume that they're doing nothing about this issue, as the security team is not able to publicly talk about their work on these issues b/c that would give clues to the hackers about their bans and cheat preventions. It is only when Valve announces it is halting ALL support for TF2 is when it would be appropriate to think that they're not doing anything about the bots, b/c then they're dropping this game (obviously). Until then though, make sure to remember that you and the devs are on the same side and to treat them as your teammates against the cheaters, hackers, and bots! Because without your support backing them up, or at worst you verbally attacking them for not doing anything, it makes it MUCH harder for them to continue doing their job of improving this game.
4 hours of Casual Payload yesterday, not a single bot. May this blessing continue.
we just had to remind valve that they failed Saxton Hale
Did they just fix the entire botting problem on a random afternoon without any fanfare whatsoever?
True heroes don't do their job for the glory, but for the duty of upholding their moral grounds... Although we'll have to fact-check their effort in maybe three days.
would you prefer them to yell "LOOK HOW GREAT AND BENEVOLENT WE ARE"
@@leanmaxine1555someones been watching mha
@@realdragon yeah tbh
@@leanmaxine1555 true heroes would ban them 5 or 6 years ago
HOLY SHIT THEY ACTUALLY LISTENED KINDA?!?
If they actually keep this maintenance up I will start playing TF2 regularly again
silent band wave must've sparked something within Valve to take minimal action, hopefully before thinking of a bigger solution (such as remaking the entire game in Source 2 and updating it forever)
Fuck it we ball
Whew! Valve finally did something! Now we wait 5 years before they even look in our general direction while the bots will be back in like... a week! Yeeah!
They’re cleaning up their servers for the summer update. They know bringing content to the game in the state that it’s in will make them look bad. It’s the same for every year, Valve releases a temporary bot fix, everyone stops complaining about bots til they come back and then we’re back to square one.
VAC ban is good, hopefully they'll be able to keep them out in general in the future :)
When a shark is swimming towards you because it has mistaken you for a seal, there is often advice to try and attack it head on by punching it in the snout. It'll be dazed and confused at first, but it'll likely only get more aggressive and try even harder to kill you.
This is a really good start but staying one step ahead would be good.
Could anyone explain to me why changing and then encrypting the source code would not work? Since it has been leaked changing a few variables here and there could confuse the hacks but I'm not sure
The bots are gone.
Pros:
The bots are gone.
Cons:
They are not gone because valve required sniper to be played via Guitar Hero Controller.
Damn that took a long time, how many tours until Valve completes the Bot Mannvasion tour?
what I'm surprised with is the fact they DELETE some accounts, which is RARELY heard, afaik they usually only disable accounts that violate the TOS lol
I found a bot yesterday when I played, so they aren't extinct by any means.
finally i can play the damn game without getting headshot the second I leave the safe room
I'm glad Valve is still continuing to step up and help the community out by banning most of these bots in waves, even if it's been a long while since the last one. I've been a little bit more appreciative of the wait since I've heard that it makes it much more harder for the people who create these bots to adapt and change their methods when they aren't banned instantly. They have a hard time learning their lesson compared to actively trying to make a stronger more resiliant bot to being banned. The longer the wait, the more effective it is. Valve might not be perfect in all ways for supporting a bunch of their old games, but at least they're still willing to try, even if some people would claim them as being lazy for not helping the community out as frequently.
Encountered bots on US Servers named "Rox #SaveTf2", mostly on Harvest servers
Each day I get closer to the Heavy update.
We've won the battle, but the war has just begun, valve is next.. i can smell it.
Valve literaly went pain of wheel mode. Getting rid of the bot (the work) if this will save them from their recomendations being filled with the Omegatronic "content" (painful wheel that you want to avoid)
i just wanted to talk about something that just happened, i was playing tf2 jail servers, and a admin GAGGED ME FOR A DAY after i was complaining about how he expected me to remember a rulebook from 4+ years ago, he also stated "idc if you have dementia or not you gotta remember things" i dont have dementia but thats offensive as heck
We've won the battle, but not the war. Get back to upgrade station !
We still need to keep up the pressure to hold valve accountable. While they’re at it, they should get to work on left 4 dead ddosing, and cs2 hackers. They have some momentum.
WE'RE BARACK!
0:29 are we just not gonna mention his buddy playing Deadlock? No? Okay.
Given there are some bots, in a week to month, the bots will be back in full force.
This is amazing. Problem, my steam deck doesn’t output audio for tf2 for no reason at all. It’s sad for me but still this is great news.
We've beaten them back, for the moment.
I witnessed the ban wave happen right in front of my eyes. My god, it was gorgeous.
Its either valve did something, omegatronic got tired of the art, or valve was secretly hosting them this entire time
SiivaGunner's "Genius - Tales of Symphonia" rip would REALLY fit this occasion.
i like the absence of music, as if a miracle suddenly stopped the world from ending, leaving us humans looking at eachothers face in awe
Played a long time this afternoon and don’t remember seeing a single bot
I hope Valve not only bans all the bots, but manages to distribute the items in the Bot's inventories, whether the items are tradeable or not
valve hopped on the treadmill
The war isn’t over until the bots are completely gone. Keep fighting, everyone!
I'm glad Valve decided to just begin taking action instead of announcing and making promises they won't keep. Here's hoping they don't stop here and actually do something significant with the game.
It was a steam server outage on tuesday
One of the things I would like to know is if Valve is going to take legal action on at least some of the hackers/bot hosters as some have committed actual series crimes and I'm not even including the money laundering etc but the physical, mental, virtual harassment for instance DDOS attacks, bomb threats and a host of other such.
Hi, I'm just throwing this out here to make sure it's more widely known, although I'm just going by word of mouth:
Many of the bot hosters who were hit with bans have no intention of just giving up. Some are supposedly even in the process of doubling down. At the time I'm writing this, there's no confirmed information about the bots that were spamming illegal content.
“GREEN IS GOOD! HAVE A BONUS…”
The title is a little clickbaity and dangerous. This is definitely going to slow down the movement if many people believe that we've automatically won since you can't expect everyone to watch the video.
Like smashing a bunch of ants going into a house and claiming victory despite the hive being intact.
bots are back.
But if the employee doesn't give up on the banning and it isn't a one time thing, then this will be interesting.
I thought “no they fxcking haven’t” until I found out the video’s talking about TF2 (I thought the video claimed that YT bots are being banned)
Seeing 51,000 people left over after a bot ban wave is very comforting.
TF2 might not be as dead as we are to believe from that Nobody's Home video.
Hmm, what should I buy in the upgrade station as engi?
the community: its over
Valve: IT IS OVER WHEN WE SAY IT IS OVER!
it ain't over until it's over
**Call of Duty Black Ops Zombie Wave Transition**
What we can probably gather from this is that Valve is finally fixing VAC, but idk why they’ve been as quiet as they have about the way they’ve been trying to fix the problem. In CS2 and TF2.
although i know for a fact they aren't gonna be staying on this treadmill forever, it is nice seeing them give some relief to the player base, even if temporarily
Push in before the next respawn wave, men.
I see shounic is making use of the beta game playback thing valve is working on
Great news :D but we cant stop #FixTF2 untill the bots are fully gone