I thought about just using a chunk of 4 inch I beam to tie it all together with. It would work fine I'm sure but it's just something else to clutter up my shop. When not in use the press just goes on one of the shelves in one of my machinist carts. But I don't see why a rig like that couldn't be built without to much trouble for those who don't have a lathe.
Well, I have to admit that was a very perplexing problem and put me into a brown study for an hour or more. The solution was dead simple. On barrels where the port is exposed I simply hammer in a bit of lead solder to seal it and then clamp a machinist clamp over the hole to hold in the lead plug. After knocking out the bullet, just push the lead plug into the barrel with a small wire. Gas ports inside a tube or hanger always have a drill port to push the lead in but sometimes you have to get creative about finding a way to hold the lead plug in. But I always find a way. Sometimes just sliding the gas piston in is enough. Other times I have to cut a tight fitting piston in the lathe to hold the plug into place. There's always a way if you sit back and think about it a spell.
I'm in Canada so no. Border crossing with firearms is no longer possible. With stuck bullets the best bet is taking it to a gunsmith. Most hobbyists end up wreaking the barrel when pushing them out.
@@blinkyoureyes1400 Probably didn't need the lathe. the lathe is just a holder. Sash cramps or a pipe vice with a bit of wood at each end would probably suffice.
I'd really like to know why/how bullets from a squib load get so jammed in the barrel. I lost one barrel because of one, as not even a sledgehammer and rod would get it out! I thought maybe the rifling causes it to get very stuck but i have had the same problem with a barrel with no rifling and the bullet could be pushed through by hand as well!
Pushing with a rod won't get you anywhere. I'm not an engineer, but I know that as you put force on a rod, it bunches up, bends and wastes all of it's energy pushing on the sides of the barrel and not on the object that you're pushing on. You might be putting several tons on the top of the rod but by the time the energy gets whittled away pushing sideways you end up with only a few pounds on the object that you are pushing. That's where using a liquid works so well. There is equal pressure being excreted on the entire surface so for every pound you pump in you have the same pound exerting force one the base of the bullet. No line lose, so to speak. Even so, it still takes close to 30,000 PSI to push a jacketed bullet through a rifles barrel. That's the equivalent of about 3, Ford F150 trucks sitting on top of the bullet You can't generate those kinds of sustained pressures with a rod and a hammer.
@@RodHenricksonGunsmith thanks very interesting, it's hard for me to picture force being pushed outwards, i would have thought so long as the rod diameter is as wide as the bullet then it would all be pushing downwards, i'd love to know the math science behind it. My other query related to this is why some bullets don't get stuck in the same way, ie people have pushed them out with a few knocks with a hammer and rod.
It sure is a nice, easy, no risk, non-destructive way of doing it. I don't know why I didn't make the fool thing 20 years ago. It's not like I never thought about it. Lazy I guess.
Oh nothing like that exists. You have to make them. In fact, I don't know that another one exists at this time. Contrary to what I originally thought, it has paid for itself despite the fact that I had over $4,000 worth of trial and error time and parts into it. . I never patented the idea or the tool. It's so specialized that you could never sell them even if you did make one. But if you want to make one for your own use I outlined the build here. www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s=d6d0bd883dee8c90bf49509023d16ee3;act=ST;f=3;t=29914;st=0
whats your thoughts on this method, counterbore the bullet all the way through. 1. brass rod long enough to reach from shorts distance and biggest bore will allow 2. chuck the rod in a lathe. 3. use a dubble center cutting endmill 20% smaller than the bore. 4. Counter bore the brass rod leaving enough endmill to make it all the way through the round. 5. locktie red the endmill into the end of the brass rod. 6. with a drill motor slowly drill the center of the round out. now the solid mass is reduced to a lead and copper hollow bushing. 7. machine a brass plug a few inches long and 10% the max bore DI. 8. with a aluminum rod drive the round the shortest distance to free the round. my thinking is the forces being applied from mushrooming are minimum because of the hollow round. unfortunately my lathe centers are to short for most barrels to make your hydraulic pusher.
the brass bushing might want to be a few thousand less then the bore, to prevent lead from squishing around the brass plug. not sure about this approach.
+Ha Re Well, the pounds per square inch force required to push out the jacket alone is roughly the same as it is to push out the jacket and core together. I have pushed out bullets with drill rod using the tailstock of big oilcountry lathes and I have pushed them out the same way after melting out the cores. There is very little difference in pressure required. It's also harder to push when you lose the base to push against. So there is no advantage to drilling them and often it makes it impossible to push out the jacket. You can also set up the press like this using aluminum shims on your chuck jaws or by simply screwing your outrider chuck on to the back of the spindle if you don't have enough machine. You can also set it up on your mill bed if it is long enough or just clamp everything solid on a steel bar or piece of pipe with toe clamps. ua-cam.com/video/fimvzxZTpbU/v-deo.html
i see what you mean, i guess my thought was once you stated pounding on the bullet it would mushroom and add to the overall side wall pressure. having a hole you would think would provide a path of least resistance. my machine a 9x20 el cheap-o lathe i don't believe would be up to the task, spindle bore to small ect. my enco drill mill same issue, to small. your method is definitely the way to go. one question, how do you get around a gas operated, ie AR platform wepond? of course the price of AR barrels are relatively cheap( unless its a match grade ect) so replacement would not be a big deal. i did see a YT video of a guy using a blank wax caped cartridge, filled the barrel with water and remotely fired the wepond into the ground vertically. did it with long arms,pistols, bolt and lever, even a semi auto 22rl pistol. worked like a champ. all sqiub blocked barrels. great job you did there.
+Ha Re I charge about $150 to press out bullets on bolt action rifles. For gas operated guns I charge about $50 to temporarily seal off the gas orifice during the operation. I also charge about $75 to disassemble and reassemble the M16 style rifles. Most people strip them down and just bring me the barrel to avoid this charge. They generally have the tools and it only takes them an hour to take it apart and put it back together.
thats not bad. although I do not plug up barrels on a regular basis, fabricating a a press frame in lou of using a lathe would be a fun project. would make a great article for eather home shop machinest or machinest workshop magazine, the wheels are a spinning now,lol . thanks.
Mr Henrickson, I just broke off a cleaning brush in my brand new AR 15. I was trying to clean from the rear of the gun to the front. the brush got stock and the rod snapped right where it screws onto the brush about 2 inches inside the barrel. Can you please help me with this?
It can be pressed out. A lot of the times guys use those cheaper multi piece aluminum cleaning rods and they break very easily. You might be able to simply push it out from the front with a good, one piece, stainless steel cleaning rod and a couple of good solid thumps. If you can't get it and you are in or near Edmonton you can drop it off. Time in shop right now for repairs is about two or three days. It would be $100 plus GST to set it up and press it out.
Perfect set up. Could work without the lathe. Just need a frame to tighten hydraulic piston to barrel . Nice job
I thought about just using a chunk of 4 inch I beam to tie it all together with. It would work fine I'm sure but it's just something else to clutter up my shop. When not in use the press just goes on one of the shelves in one of my machinist carts. But I don't see why a rig like that couldn't be built without to much trouble for those who don't have a lathe.
This man right here is a saint. He's helped unf$&k several things for me.
Thank you for the great video looks like i have a new project to build a grease press.
Technically easy 💪🏾😎 great job
Is that a no5 enfield barrel and action
what about gas port?
Well, I have to admit that was a very perplexing problem and put me into a brown study for an hour or more. The solution was dead simple. On barrels where the port is exposed I simply hammer in a bit of lead solder to seal it and then clamp a machinist clamp over the hole to hold in the lead plug. After knocking out the bullet, just push the lead plug into the barrel with a small wire. Gas ports inside a tube or hanger always have a drill port to push the lead in but sometimes you have to get creative about finding a way to hold the lead plug in. But I always find a way. Sometimes just sliding the gas piston in is enough. Other times I have to cut a tight fitting piston in the lathe to hold the plug into place. There's always a way if you sit back and think about it a spell.
I have a bullet stuck in the barrel of a Remington Model 12. Can you suggest how I can remove it! Do you offer a removal service?
I'm in Canada so no. Border crossing with firearms is no longer possible. With stuck bullets the best bet is taking it to a gunsmith. Most hobbyists end up wreaking the barrel when pushing them out.
i only have a metal stick..not a 5 million dollar machine :(
Lathe's are no where near that expense min ones can be had for under 1000 dollars and bigger ones up to 20,000
@@blinkyoureyes1400 Probably didn't need the lathe. the lathe is just a holder. Sash cramps or a pipe vice with a bit of wood at each end would probably suffice.
I'd really like to know why/how bullets from a squib load get so jammed in the barrel. I lost one barrel because of one, as not even a sledgehammer and rod would get it out! I thought maybe the rifling causes it to get very stuck but i have had the same problem with a barrel with no rifling and the bullet could be pushed through by hand as well!
Pushing with a rod won't get you anywhere. I'm not an engineer, but I know that as you put force on a rod, it bunches up, bends and wastes all of it's energy pushing on the sides of the barrel and not on the object that you're pushing on. You might be putting several tons on the top of the rod but by the time the energy gets whittled away pushing sideways you end up with only a few pounds on the object that you are pushing. That's where using a liquid works so well. There is equal pressure being excreted on the entire surface so for every pound you pump in you have the same pound exerting force one the base of the bullet. No line lose, so to speak. Even so, it still takes close to 30,000 PSI to push a jacketed bullet through a rifles barrel. That's the equivalent of about 3, Ford F150 trucks sitting on top of the bullet You can't generate those kinds of sustained pressures with a rod and a hammer.
@@RodHenricksonGunsmith thanks very interesting, it's hard for me to picture force being pushed outwards, i would have thought so long as the rod diameter is as wide as the bullet then it would all be pushing downwards, i'd love to know the math science behind it. My other query related to this is why some bullets don't get stuck in the same way, ie people have pushed them out with a few knocks with a hammer and rod.
Fine work sir.
It sure is a nice, easy, no risk, non-destructive way of doing it. I don't know why I didn't make the fool thing 20 years ago. It's not like I never thought about it. Lazy I guess.
Where did you get the hydraulic press tool? Or did you make it?
Oh nothing like that exists. You have to make them. In fact, I don't know that another one exists at this time. Contrary to what I originally thought, it has paid for itself despite the fact that I had over $4,000 worth of trial and error time and parts into it. . I never patented the idea or the tool. It's so specialized that you could never sell them even if you did make one. But if you want to make one for your own use I outlined the build here.
www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s=d6d0bd883dee8c90bf49509023d16ee3;act=ST;f=3;t=29914;st=0
I see. That would be a very useful tool at our shop. Great job on creating it!
whats your thoughts on this method, counterbore the bullet all the way through.
1. brass rod long enough to reach from shorts distance and biggest bore will allow
2. chuck the rod in a lathe.
3. use a dubble center cutting endmill 20% smaller than the bore.
4. Counter bore the brass rod leaving enough endmill to make it all the way through the round.
5. locktie red the endmill into the end of the brass rod.
6. with a drill motor slowly drill the center of the round out.
now the solid mass is reduced to a lead and copper hollow bushing.
7. machine a brass plug a few inches long and 10% the max bore DI.
8. with a aluminum rod drive the round the shortest distance to free the round.
my thinking is the forces being applied from mushrooming are minimum because of the hollow round.
unfortunately my lathe centers are to short for most barrels to make your hydraulic pusher.
the brass bushing might want to be a few thousand less then the bore, to prevent lead from squishing around the brass plug. not sure about this approach.
+Ha Re
Well, the pounds per square inch force required to push out the jacket alone is roughly the same as it is to push out the jacket and core together. I have pushed out bullets with drill rod using the tailstock of big oilcountry lathes and I have pushed them out the same way after melting out the cores. There is very little difference in pressure required. It's also harder to push when you lose the base to push against. So there is no advantage to drilling them and often it makes it impossible to push out the jacket.
You can also set up the press like this using aluminum shims on your chuck jaws or by simply screwing your outrider chuck on to the back of the spindle if you don't have enough machine. You can also set it up on your mill bed if it is long enough or just clamp everything solid on a steel bar or piece of pipe with toe clamps.
ua-cam.com/video/fimvzxZTpbU/v-deo.html
i see what you mean, i guess my thought was once you stated pounding on the bullet it would mushroom and add to the overall side wall pressure. having a hole you would think would provide a path of least resistance.
my machine a 9x20 el cheap-o lathe i don't believe would be up to the task, spindle bore to small ect. my enco drill mill same issue, to small. your method is definitely the way to go. one question, how do you get around a gas operated, ie AR platform wepond? of course the price of AR barrels are relatively cheap( unless its a match grade ect) so replacement would not be a big deal. i did see a YT video of a guy using a blank wax caped cartridge, filled the barrel with water and remotely fired the wepond into the ground vertically. did it with long arms,pistols, bolt and lever, even a semi auto 22rl pistol. worked like a champ. all sqiub blocked barrels. great job you did there.
+Ha Re
I charge about $150 to press out bullets on bolt action rifles. For gas operated guns I charge about $50 to temporarily seal off the gas orifice during the operation. I also charge about $75 to disassemble and reassemble the M16 style rifles. Most people strip them down and just bring me the barrel to avoid this charge. They generally have the tools and it only takes them an hour to take it apart and put it back together.
thats not bad. although I do not plug up barrels on a regular basis, fabricating a a press frame in lou of using a lathe would be a fun project. would make a great article for eather home shop machinest or machinest workshop magazine, the wheels are a spinning now,lol . thanks.
what is the tool? I've never seen one.
You have to make it yourself. It's a grease press. It pumps grease at about 40,000 PSI and pushes out the bullet.
Like I have one of them machines in my garage
I didn't have one either. I had to make the fool thing! The lathe of course, I bought.
@alvin brown jr, you dont have a grease gun or a hammer or a stick?
No wonder your on you tube ;)
Mr Henrickson, I just broke off a cleaning brush in my brand new AR 15. I was trying to clean from the rear of the gun to the front. the brush got stock and the rod snapped right where it screws onto the brush about 2 inches inside the barrel. Can you please help me with this?
It can be pressed out. A lot of the times guys use those cheaper multi piece aluminum cleaning rods and they break very easily. You might be able to simply push it out from the front with a good, one piece, stainless steel cleaning rod and a couple of good solid thumps. If you can't get it and you are in or near Edmonton you can drop it off. Time in shop right now for repairs is about two or three days. It would be $100 plus GST to set it up and press it out.
Bring it by and I can take a look at it.
Bristles tend to lag travel behnd the center core, so keep directional application and shove it all the way through.
Mr. Hendrickson are you still around 2023 and if possible can you help me the new 308 rifle stuck w/ bullet? Thanks