Kramnik reports 14-year-old FM for CHEATING
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Featured is an instructive blitz (3+1) game between 14-year-old FM Artem Dyachuk and Vladimir Kramnik from January 23rd’s Late Titled Tuesday. After the game Kramnik was quick to report Dyachuk, who he suspected of cheating. I reviewed the game with an engine, using my own experience, factoring in move times, and throwing key moments under the microscope. I feel this was simply a well-played and honest game by a young talented player.
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Its gotta be the biggest compliment you can receive if a GM reports you for cheating because youve crushed him so bad. :D
Not just a GM, a former World Champ no less!
Or maybe you just cheat on him.
Exactly and if you get defensive or upset that is suspicious.
@@carloscervantes911 yaya maybe.......................
Or maybe Kramnik is a whining b_*_tch whos to old to compete with the next gen.
You decide!
I think the fact that Kramnik is accusing people left and right now, and has even pledged to continue finding cheats (therefore putting pressure on himself to see evidence that just isn't there) should strongly weight our analysis towards BS
No idea who this young supremely talented young player is, but I'm happy that Jerry took it upon himself to stand up for him.
he's a Ukrainian Prodigy.. Jerry has followed him for half a decade now
@@dictatoribenevolo8394someone had mentioned might be the reason Kramlik was so upset him being Russian getting crushed by a Ukrainian player 😅
You said young twice LOL
@@michaelmassaro4375 loooool probably so true🤣🤣🤣
@@TactfulWaggle grammar 👮 🚨
Kramnik has become a meme by this point, he's accusing people left and right
yeah ever since he teamed up with Hans Moke Niemann it seems..
It's disappointing to see. He was right. Online cheating is a big problem that doesn't have enough attention on it, especially at high level. But then he goes and blunts all his credibility with spurious accusations made after he loses blitz games based on nothing other than he FEELS like something was funny about the game. If that were one of my games and I saw that analysis after the game, I probably wouldn't be suspicious unless the opponent had the flat move time graph on top of it. And that's me. A club level wood pusher who will never see the sunny side of 2000 fide.
@@stoutlager6325 This. It's really a shame; he went from a great advocate to kind of turning into a sheep crying wolf (regarding cheating allegations specifically, I still have much respect for Kramnik)
@stoutlager6325 the point is that's what all of us should be doing. It's nothing but a check on the account and the website is who determines if they're cheating or not.
@@stoutlager6325that's exactly what Hikaru does, blame GMs and Masters based on his feelings 😂
Kramnik needs to accept that the game's moved past him. These younger players think completely differently about chess. The fact that he can't understand the thought process doesn't mean his opponents are cheating.
Big words from nobody thinking he understand what goes on in the mind of one of the best chess players of all time. How about you check yourself out comment GM. Where do you even get off talking about how much he understood? Pathetic.
LOL what rubbish
@@lllllMlllllKramnik's only reason for calling Dyachuk a cheat is that he thought this game was beyond the capability of a human player. If he thinks it's beyond the capability of a human, then by extension he must realise it's beyond his own capabilities.
I don't need to be one of the best chess players of all time to see that a man who's lost his former status is crying and calling "cheat" at everyone who beats him, with disturbingly poor maths being the only substantiation that he's given for his claims.
It is cringe to parrot. Never be cringe.
Kramnik just beat dubov in a Blitz game in titleTuesday yesterday man. It just doesn't make sense when players play so much better online than they do OTB because it's the same game. Increments and mouse movements don't make such a huge drastic difference. And they don't among the best players except for maybe hikaru for obvious reasons. Fabiano caruana says probably more than 50% of the people cheat online entitled Tuesday Hikaru amd nepo says it's probably over 20%. No one is calling kramnik crazy except for a bunch of kids on social media and probably people who all cheat themselves I bet everybody in thisthread uses multiple accounts on the website breaking tos. Esports have not been respected by Western Society for 30 years and that's never going to change unfortunately. Kramnik is simply having a culture shock at how all the anonymity leads to immaturity and dishonesty. Ratings online are absolutely meaningless they mean absolutely nothing and that is a major problem and sign something is wrong.
Always appreciate your detailed breakdown of key moments :)
I appreciate your delivery style! It was a great game.
I agree with your explanation. The queenside attack looks natural, even to a guy like me; the king-side defence is reasonable (i would probably not have found it myself, but am FM should be albe to find it).. and the fact that engine wants exf5, but Artem continued with hus plan on the queenside, speaks for itself.
Totally agreed. Every move made was pretty normal expect for b4 which may even be opening theory at this point. And like you said the pawn capture wasnt played.
@@jamesknapp64 even the b4 looks normal to me (maybe because I am an Agadmator fan, lol)
But if I saw no immediate threats against me on the kingside, I might have played b4 with the idea of counterattacking on the queenside myself.
(the difference being, that if I was playing, there probably would have been a threat on the kingside that I'd have overlooked and I would have gotten destroyed :D )
Good video! Thanks for the explanations and the alternate options during the game. Have a great day!
You made another awesome video. Great job!!!
Love your videos Jerry, you're the highest quality chess channel on YT. It would have been interesting to hear what moves in particular Kramnik thought were suspicious (if he's explained), and why you came to the opposite conclusion
I feel like that’s exactly what he did with this video…
As an 1750-1950 OTB player who has competed in the USCCC (U.S. correspondence chess championship), once making the finals, back in the 1980s when the best computers were rated 1500-1600, some players (me) have a lot more variance than others. My blitz rating is, at best 950. Any player who can blitz at 2800 should be able to play OTB at at least 2180 (subtract 220 points because online blitz ratings are about 220 points more than OTB in this range) for 2580, and then another 400 points for variance. This player is definitely in the suspicious zone, but this one game doesn't prove cheating. In certain openings on specific days, I've played easily 2250, and one game was Fischer level until I blundered at the critical point (exact move order of Fischer-Spassky for 20+ moves, 8 years before their match in the 1990s). But yeah, this game is uncharted territory, and challenging. Krammnik knows this kid's OTB game has holes that aren't in this game.
However, if I had five games at Fischer level, even I would think I was cheating.
I appreciate your style, really nice voice, speed, and lastly: great insight. You are good at this! Compliments ++
He’s the OG
thank you so much for this instructive explanation of the various lines…this is a masterpiece worth studying definitely will watch it many times!
Great video Jerry and I hope you continue to stand against the insanity Kramnik has been spouting lately
Insanity ? everybody cheats online and it's never going to be respected by Society. It's literally just going to become known as another Esport, a game for cheating children. O bet you yourself have multiple accounts on the website. Smh....
There was another game right before this one where a young NM from Oklahoma got a draw vs Kramnik. I think that game in combination with this one put him on tilt.
The problem kramnik has is he rightfully can't understand how these kids play terribly OTB when compared to their online play. Mouse Moving and less increments can only help them so much but most of the top players have no difference in performance ratings.
@@cooloutac They're also chessabled up to the gills. Does Kramnik spend 4 hrs a day drilling lines these days?
@@DarkSideChess why doesn't it help the kid offline then?
It shows the game right before was against FM aa175. The featured game was from round 7. I do see however a draw against NM DraningWaterHi from round 2.
@@ChessNetwork Second to last game currently on Mr. Kramniks page. Vs rychessmaster1 - Ryan Amburgy
You're all class - thanks for making this video!
The tactical ideas in this game are insane, also how white parried black's attack is very instructive, it's insane black doesn't have anything there
old man shouting at clouds , dam these kids are good !
Meanwhile all the top 10 players agree with kramnik. The cheating is so out of control it soon will no longer be a valid sport just like other Esports. Will be seen as a game only for cheating kids or just something for entertainment not to be taken seriously. That would be a shame.
that's news to me @@cooloutac
@@cooloutac They don't agree with him, Kramnik is accusing specific people and not just vaguely saying there is a problem. He didn't even analyze the game before he reported this kid, he's just bitter.
@@h0wnr681 they literally all agree with him bud. Even Nakamura has said that over 20% of the people cheat in titled Tuesday. Fabiano said over 50%. Nepo..... actually mvl just interviewed kramnik. Because him and Fabi want to get his thoughts on how to stop the cheating and bring it to to the website. Mvl himself said we know you're not crazy and paranoid none of us are. His words. You live in an echo chamber full of cheating kids and corrupt streamers that don't even represent the Chess World let alone Society that's going to end up looking at chess as just another Dead esport full of cheating kids.
@@h0wnr681 Fabiano, Maxime nepo, Hikaru, Magnus all have said 20 to 50% of the people cheat in titled Tuesday depending who you ask. But kramnik is the crazy one? Maxine just interviewed kramnik the other day to get his opinions on how to stop cheating because him and Fabiano are going to take it to the website. Most of the top 100 title players refuse to play online as it is and less are going to in the future unless something is done about this.
I think anyone playing Kramnik should resign without even playing a move.
Even kramnik will get old someday
Scholar mate kramnik
very well said thank you
Even then it would be suspicious to Kramnik :D
anyway, grandmasters are cheaters from the start. from birth because they are smart and geniuses . this is unfair . all GM should be banned😀
I've enjoyed your channel in the past, but I don't honor spammy, clickbait video titles, so I'm unsubbing and asking UA-cam to not recommend your videos anymore. Title your videos properly. This is not about the cheating report. I hate being lied to.
Thanks, Jerry, for this wonderful game!
Nice game, love your analysis as always man! Been following you since you started your channel many years ago, always great fun watching. You really have some of the best analysis on UA-cam for showing the most relevant variations and many things i'm thinking of too. It's hard finding chess content that resonates with me this strongly, cheers!
Always really enjoy these mid-length analyses Jerry! Kramnik really needs some help, and I don't even mean it as an insult. Someone needs to help him understand basic CPU analysis, and that online chess is vastly different from classical. I remember Magnus losing to someone on a Chess24 BanterBlitz who may not even have been an FM at the time (they are now).
Tell Fabi, Maxime, Nepo the same thing. Kramnik is just more public cuz he's retired and has nothing to lose. Even add Nakamura to the list who say 20 to 50% of the players in titled Tuesday cheat. You're a cheater too if you use multiple accounts on a website my friend do you realize that? That would make you part of the problem why ratings are completely meaningless online. What does nothing more suspicious than when a player has such a drastically higher performance rating online than he does OTB when it's the same exact game. Mouse movement and increments don't make a drastic difference, and don't for the top players.
@@cooloutac "Ratings are completely meaningless online"
@@joshuabacker2363 that's literally an exact quote from Fabiano on his C4 squared podcast.
@@cooloutac Source?
@@joshuabacker2363 I just gave you the source. Wtf? I can't post links on UA-cam go search Fabiano talks about cheating on c-squared podcast or something. Wow...
Great content. Thanks. Impressive play from the FD.
High quality analysis! Thanks!
A 14 year old FM is just a GM who hasn't played enough games to reach his true rating. Kramnik disrespected his opponent by playing such a reckless attack, then got salty when Artem defeated him with sound play.
Great analysis. I was curious why Artem didn't take the bishop at the end, and you explained it brilliantly. Thank you.
Exactly
That makes no sense. He was playing OTB in January and lost 20 points he's only a 2200 rated player why would he turn into a super GM playing online?
Repeating the same thing a hundred times doesn't make it true.
Where is the cheating??
Bro, I’m under 1000 rated and I could follow more than 80% of Artems tactics - they were pretty basic. Kramnik simply played down to Artems level and got beat. That simple.
I'm no expert on the matter, but I think you're right, Jerry. I think the kid played a great game and kramnik, with some justification due to recent events, was suspicious. It's a beauty of a game but by no means perfect. I hover around 1800 rapid and 1600 blitz and I've played quite a few very high accuracy games at similar times controls, it happens somewhat often actually. I've also played a ton of absolutely horrible games. I don't think it's a stretch at all that this young player just had a really good day, or at least 1 really good game.
With all due respect, kramnik may just be paranoid about cheating and it's affecting his play and his broader outlook on the game.
Regardless of all of that, excellent analysis as usual!
This! Everybody can olay a great game, the higher rated player just do it more consistently in the long run.
This game seemed ok - attack on queenside was natural, defense on kingside was "pretty standard" (i.e. an FM is expected to find it); Kramnik just went overconfident with the sac and it did not work out so he was left down a piece.
Great video, well done.
I'm starting to think all of this is Kramnik's way of admitting to the world that he did in fact cheat against Tupalov.
If he got to adjourn any games, then his whole team could feed him the moves overnight.
The tactics in this game are mind boggling.
Poor old man 😢
He's 48 😂
@darkesinger3102 chess is now a game for cheating kids. To them he is old.
Hi man. Nice video. What's the name of the ending's song? Ty
Beautiful video Jerry
Cheaters become paranoid that everyone else is a cheater just like them. It's time to take another look at bathroom-gate.
A fine game by the young FM, not at all suspicious to me. Thanks Jerry.
What's suspicious is that he lost 100 rating points OTB this year including 20 points in January is only a 2200 rate of player that plays online all the time like a 2900? Right....
But anyone can play a great game... the person with lower rating just does it less often in the long run.
Also, when yuou say OTB, you mean classical OTB events? That may be completely different to his blitz performance.
I think Kramnik was overconfident and went over aggressive... I mean, he sacrificed a piece for the attack. It either works out, or it does not and then he's left down a piece
I am not saying that he definitely does not cheat - i don't know anythig about him. I'm just saying that this game does not look like he cheated
@@panda4247 he is only lower rated offline. He hasn't played orb blitz in 7 months.
@panda4247 it's not just one game that's the problem.
Damn, that knight move to e3 is really spectacular. Nice game and analysis
Beautiful and straightforward chess! 🔥
Great analysis!
Jerry when you get old I hope you keep your faith in humanity. I think Kramnik's paranoid campaign has cost him his.
I feel like at this point I am the only player not accused of cheating by Kramnik, yet...bummer.
A deep & complicated game for an intermediate chess players like me. A thorough & fast calculations should be performed in order to have such a brilliant moves like these.
Thx Jerry😊
Not a professional player but i feel Kramnik has a small case here. And just because a cheating player doesn't find all the engine moves doesn't suggest they couldn't have used an engine to find some of their moves.
It just comes down to slander. Accusations that can neither be proved or disproved. It's just slander, what Kramnik has done. There's no sense of justice, only a desire to punish or inflame.
Kramnik's paranoia has turned to harassing players for a while now. This guy needs to land, and a temporary ban in online chess would serve him and hopefully open his eyes again.
There does appear to be a really big gap between his online play and OTB play. I'll leave it to the experts, whose job it is check this stuff.
Kramnik is somewhere shaking his fists at the clouds. ("Dam youuu!")
Man Kramnik has become a prideful baby hasn’t he?
He is one of the best players of all time. Who are you? Comment GM?
Why don't you say the same thing about Nepo, Fabi, Maxime and even hikaru who will say 20 to 50% of the people cheat in titled Tuesday? I bet you yourself use more than one account on the website breaking TOS. It makes no sense when so many players have a drastic increase in performance rating when playing online compared to their otb play. It's the same game in Mouse movement and increments don't make such a huge drastic difference. It's obvious what is happening.
@@cooloutacbecause I don’t watch any of those players play nor do I follow them on any social media. If they are making false accusations of cheating, then they are also prideful babies
@@lllllMlllllsomeone who isn’t so insecure that he can’t admit he got bested in something
@msurocks21 if you don't watch any of those plays that's because you're not a fan of Chess and that makes it very easy for you to cheat when you don't even respect the game itself . no one's accusing anybody of cheating they only suspecting a player and asking the website to determine it. Anyone who gets defensive or upset about that is telling the world screaming out loud that they are a cheater themselves. That's called psych 101 and I put money on the fact you use multiple accounts on the website. Stop doing that it undermines the MMR it is partly to blame for Ratings being completely meaningless online.
He is not a loser. He was just having a sore loser moment. Happens to the best of players.
Accusing another title player of cheating is an asshole move. Especially after playing a sacrifice that didn’t pan out.
Very interesting video. Thanks.
It is a problem that people can accuse other people of cheating, the other big problem is, that everybody can cheat these days and often are not caught. The statistical analysis is not sharp enough to detect one time cheaters or intelligent cheaters. That's why I don't play chess online. Memers there days only put oil into the fire with their jokes. Destroys the integrity of the game. imo.
Just play Lichess as anonymous. No ratings, no names, no pride. I've encountered very strong play, but never felt the total crush that Leela or Stockfish can do.
@@KF1I agree! I also have made the same experiences!
you earned some respect from me for standing up to this bully
Kramnik is kind of going mad right now reporting everyone and their grandma for cheating.
10:35 that is an amazing sequence
Kramnik really thinks he can't lose.
Everyone knows Kramnik is easily butthurt by losing
Kramnik is the pot calling the kettle black, considering he won the title via ToiletGate.
Kramnik should be required to post a deposit every time he makes a cheating accusation, to pay out to the accused if they did nothing wrong.
The sad part is that at a high level, he’s without a doubt correct. Cheating is rampant. But he’s so off the deep end, that he’s turning an existential problem into a mockery
Looks like that "existential problem" gave poor Kramnik a high-level existential crisis 😂
It's social media full of cheating streamers and kids that are turning it into a mockery my friend.
It's off the deep end to suspect the player who lost 100 rating points this year including 20 points in January and is only a 2200 rated player who plays like a 2900 all the time online? Everyone should be reporting this kid.
Kramnik is so off his gourd that his nonsense is ruining the legitimacy of any serious anti-cheating efforts.
@@cooloutacjesus are you his cheerleader or something? You are on almost every comment riding his dingy
Kramnik is jumping at ghosts, no?
Great video
7:58 As an e4 player I saw this tactic right away. I’d see if it were over the board too. Feels like a natural tactic. Observer sees everything I suppose. 😊❤
Kramnik in the 2016 Candidates: "After my opponent plays any move, I am already much better."
Kramnik now: "After my opponent plays any move, I already suspect him of cheating".
I have a lot of respect for Kramnik as a chess player, but he needs to stop being such a crybaby. Any time someone performs better than he personally thinks they should, he accuses them of cheating. If he keeps going, that's going to be his enduring legacy - not his chess skill.
I'm only 1800 rated player, It happened numerous times I had played online chess and I was on attack against my opponent from the start and he was about to be crushed in the middle game but suddenly everything was changed it appeared my opponent was replaced by stockfish with all kind of mind blowing moves and I got destroyed at the end, my point is that cheating going on everywhere and all the chess sites they know that but don't want to admit it, I think it is even more extensive than what Kramnik claims , furthermore I don't believe is just limited to low rated player I'm not surprised if Super GM like Hikaru and Neiman had resorted to cheating at some point when they played online
More commentary on your opinions of how Kramnik is behaving would be appreciated
not a good look for kramnik
Artem Dyachuk is clearly a very talented player. He's even getting experience playing in the Bundesliga. Looking forward to see more of his games.
Titled Tuesday is very poisonous. A non GM beating Hikaru, a Chessbrah or now even Kramnik is immediately labeled as a cheater. Nordirbek Abdusattorov was excluded as an IM when he beat Hikaru. Later he won the Rapid World Championship and he's now in the Candidates.
Titled Tuesday is an old boys club.
everyone should have to prove themselves bud. that is how it should work. Either OTB, or in a secure monitored environment on a clean pc.
A fine game and a great analysis, thank you!
As for the cheating accusation, I guess V.Kramnik, considering his role in the online chess comunity, chooses to examine things just in case. Cheating online is, unfortunately, too wide-spread and spoiling the experience a lot.
"Responsibility" is a cool way of thinking of defending pieces.
Might start using that in my games i.e "Ok Queen I'm putting you here, you're responsible for this pawn and that knight".
Kramnik still living in year 2000.
7:26 That's the first move I looked at. Am I a cheater?
The first moves you look at are usually checks and then captures. Once you look at Queen c4+ the capture exf is not so far away.
@@manmanman2000 This is where humans always fail against computers: tactics. The positional justification for not playing that move (not wanting to open two lines of attack onto your key defender) override the concrete tactical considerations. It's a blind spot in human thinking.
You are if you are using multiple accounts on the website, indeed
😂 thank you Jerry very enjoyable
Ne3 being the only winning move must have hurt... Refer Kramnik vs Anand 2008 World Chess Championship where Anand had Ne3 as the only winning move and it was missed by Kramnik.
Dude's loosing his mind like fischer
To be fair, Fischer's brain was fried from a very young age when he started hating women and Jews as a teenager.
Everything fischer said about Chess had been proven right. From pre arranged draws and rigged tournaments, to the politics and exclusivity, to computers killing off the game in 100 years.
Obviously, I have no idea what really happened in this game and whether anyone cheated--the young FM OR even Kramnik (unlikely given the outcome, BUT if he's gonna "throw stones"), but Jerry makes a very good argument against the younger player cheating, particularly with the later-game failure to play the "best" move of e4XF5. Perhaps Kramnik would beat this person 19 times out of 20, but just as I'm sure most all of us have lost in chess and other activities to someone far less talented on a rare occasion--because we played more poorly and/or they were "lucky" or just extra insightful/skillful and temporarily played above their level, it appears that Kramnik met that fate here. It appears that no one (unless you're one of the ones actually cheating) REALLY knows what's going on here with the cheating and who really is and who isn't, but I am getting really tired of some of these top (or former top) players automatically assuming that the opponent is cheating just because the normally higher rated player lost. I think in many cases, their egos/pride are getting the best of them, and they aren't man enough and sportsmen enough to admit defeat. I take the cheating accusation very seriously, and if one of these players who gets accused of it BUT hasn't actually cheated would literally kick the accuser's ass, I'd love it...and it would be well-deserved. If you're going to try to ruin someone's reputation, you better be damned sure. Also, IF it can be clearly proven--not just this statistical computer analysis crap--that someone cheated, then the penalties should be high...for non-FIDE ranks, loss of 200 rating points and barred from all tournaments for three to five years, and for FIDE-titled players, loss of ALL FIDE titles (including a World Champion title) and the same time-limit bar. (Perhaps a monetary penalty too...especially for higher-rated players and higher stakes tournaments.) For a second offense, loss of ALL FIDE titles and ALL rating points, and you're barred from tournaments for life. That simple! But, besides the ultimate integrity of the players, since tournament directors, the USCF and FIDE know this crap occurs now in the age of AI, they all have been really lazy and are at fault for not "securing" tournaments--both with the strict penalties I suggested--and by pre-tournament screens/scans, clothing/jewelry/etc. restrictions, and very close monitoring with whatever is needed (I'll leave this to the techies.) to all but guarantee the integrity of the game.
If all players online have 90+ accuracy i am surprised how they dont crush magnus every time. Every single person online has more accuracy than maguns ever had. He is amateur compared to them.
Advanced Mentoring !!!!!!!Thanks Jerry
Kramnik accuses Hikaru of cheating online and suddenly everyone cares about evidence...they didn't seem to care so much when everyone was accusing Hans of cheating OTB. Honestly one thing I've learnt in the last two years is that a lot of GM's are very paranoid and insecure
And it's crazy that the only thing they have to say about Hikaru is that he played two 2900s nine games in a row and 55000 games in 10 years as if that explains his five 50 game win streaks in 30 days with performance ratings that are historic for online play. Kramnik basically exposed to website for not even treating everybody the same when the top 10 players are who should be checked for cheating the most as Maxime said himself. It's a disgrace. There's nothing paranoid about them man, it's just common sense that play shouldn't be having drastically higher performance ratings online compared to the OTB performance it's the same game. The excuse that they are good with the mouse and playing without increments doesn't change anything for them why should it for everybody else. Nonsense.
@@cooloutac You think Hikaru cheated? He's got a camera on him the entire time usually.
@@konroh2 the camera doesn't show his monitor he's also always wearing headphones. I remember when Magnus insisted he have an Arbiter and his room for a meltwater tournament and he totally got smashed and vowed never to enter another one again lol. He totally flipped out.
@@cooloutac And Hikaru has entered many tournaments online and in person since then. Magnus doesn't think Hikaru cheats. So what are you trying to say? Is your evidence just like Kramnik, mere hints and allegations?
@@konroh2 did you just hear what I said about Magnus and Hikaru bud? That really happened and you're simply in denial.
Imagine beating one of your chess idols just to have them accuse you of cheating…Kramnik is losing it with his cheating conspiracies
The problem is he doesn't even come close to doing that over the board. Why? Mouse movement and increments don't make much of a difference in Blitz and Rapid it's the same game.
copy and paste makes for suspicious comments @@cooloutac
I really wanted to make a4 work on move 11, but was afraid of black replying b4. I certainly didn't find b4 myself, but I don't think it is far fetched that a strong player would find this. Often when you want to prevent your opponent playing a pawn move, one way to avoid it is to put a pawn on that square yourself. Very instructive game!
I am steering clear of Kramnik's claims. I will leave that to the experts. Having said that, cheating is an existential threat to online chess. I hope the powers that be take it extremely seriously otherwise chess's reputation will be destroyed.
I think it's been pretty destroyed heavily over this past year it's unfortunate. Esports in general have never been seen as nothing more than games for cheating kids for the past 30 years. No online game has taken it as serious has real life Sports besides online poker, this is a chance for the chest Community to change the world but when you see all these posts by the streamers and read all the comments from these kids on social media I don't think there's any hope man I think it's already over. As it is almost none of the top 100 title players even think about playing online because of all the cheats and now you got almost none of the top 100 title players were even think about playing online in titl3d tuesday because of all the cheats and now you got a lot of the top 10 players becoming really concerned that I think eventually most of them are just not gonna play online either. I guess it's about what direction we want chest to go do we want to be a valid sport or just some entertainment not to be taken as serious as such.
You know something isn't right when all these comment sections are infested with young 1000-1500 elo players who apparently know more than super GMs.
So what evidence did Kramnik give that his opponent cheated?
He goes by statistical probability
@@KF1 No he doesn't. He goes by what he THINKS is statistical probability. In actuality he has no proper understanding of statistics.
@@BoxStudioExecutive relax, man. I didn't say he was right, just answering the q
@@KF1 but you can’t do statistics with a sample size of 1… and if he is saying that past results predict that he would win, no one with lower ELO could beat him without being accused of cheating…
@@roqsteady5290 Kramnik can do whatever he wants. It's his thing.
Just because someone is 14yr old fm doesn't mean he can't cheat. Some are red flags for me such as you play b4 followed up by a4. Sounds strange but against kramnik even gm would think twice to play b4 and create weakness. Its just a 3 min game.
2nd red flag is bf1 after queen is hit. Its obvious move when you play it but again in a 3min blitz game finding it might ne suspicious.
3rd one is giving up the bishop on g2. Playing qe6 not taking the bishop. Its a big time red flag. Kramnik is quite egoistic i admit but here report is justified
Good point but the move Bf1 looks fine and human to me. However, overall his own moves in this game were no more 20% (anybody can check this), the rest seem to be all engine moves!!! Shameless cheating and lawlessness on the website!!! He destroyed Kramnik in some 35 moves with a mate. It's very hard to beat Kramnik like that even for Magnus. Only an engine can do it so easily. Also the cheater beat Kramnik on time. No surprise there either. At the crucial moment the cheater spent only 6 seconds while Kramnik spent more than 30 seconds. Why bother calculating deep many-move lines with sublines and subvariations? No need to strain yourself when you can beat the super GM just stupidly checking the engine + saving time + playing the necessary move. The cheater don't need to have crucial moments -- it's engine + human play. Often they choose the moves which are 2nd and 3rd line engine suggestions. This is necessary, otherwise the game will be way too perfect, way too strong. You know in blitz an engine can easily beat any human while being even a minor piece (a knight or bishop) down. Of course, it easy to turn the tables and accuse Kramnik: What's wrong with you, why you play with the accuracy of 80%? Well, my answer: folks, try playing tactical complicated and open positions vs engines in blitz and see what will happen to your accuracy!!!
I need to clarify my point. He made almost 20% of his own moves just because in the opening (usually around first 10 moves) everyone plays himself choosing his/her lines from the personal opening repertoire. If we don't count the opening stage, the cheater made more than 90% engines moves!!! By doing so he neglected his kingside totally but that was fine as the engine had everything under control calculating more than 10 moves ahead. There was no chance for Kramnik, everything was losing for him. It's such a joke. His attack didn't go anywhere and it couldn't go anywhere as the engine had everything secure, albeit from the human perspective the attack seem extremely dangerous and required thinking and playing on the kingside to secure it but the cheater didn't care (the engine controls everything) and went on to easily crush Kramnik like if Kramnik was 600 Elo points weaker than him!!! Totally engine signature: the engines are not afraid of exposing the kingside at all for attacks; they simply calculate everything 10+ moves ahead and can afford totally exposing the king. The game looks like bad luck for Kramnik but it's not bad luck because the kingside was never really exposed: the engine controlled everything, i.e. it only seemed exposed for humans. For engines there was no luck, everything was calculated very deep long before poor Kramnik sacked his knight (=the engine saw the sac and ten moves after that and calculated that it is good. NO HUMANS CAN PLAY LIKE THAT)!!!
Well loos like black will play b4 himself, followed by Bb7 with heavy preasure on e4 if white doesn't play b4 himself. It's a simple pawn push.
@@ankeborg9122 What are talking about? Can you please present the lines of your thinking clearly? Why b4 and than a4 exactly. Why not a3??? Besides, doesn't the attack on the king side look dangerous to humans??? I understand for the engine it is not dangerous but honest players, for GM and masters??? How you do you know you should play a4 and b4? Why not other moves like b3 parking the knight on a4?:
11. b3 b4 12. Na4 Nxa4 13. bxa4 Qa5 14. Bd2 Qxa4 15. Rfb1, etc. )) How do folks know all the best moves and variations??? How do you how to play 3300 and explain deep variations with 2-3 moves explanations while in reality these are very deep 10 move ahead calculations???
There is nothing 3300ish about playing b4 and a4 to expand on the queenside. A3 is passive and allows black taking command right away with bb7. Your line with 11. b3? makes zero sense because you're giving away the e4 pawn with no counterplay for white. @@billmorrigan386
11.b4 is anti-positional because it creates a backward pawn on C2. It also weakens the C3 and C4 squares. Jerry does mention the issues. That move would not have entered my mind. I am not saying it is a bad move, just that I would not have played it. It seems to work because of the follow-up with A4. With the benefit of hindsight I would say that you have to see the follow-up before playing pawn to B4. (I have not played OTB for over 15 years when my rating was 2K - I guess about 1700 now.) As a follower of Agadmator too I suppose I should have seen it too. His B4 meme is absolutely hysterical :->
It’s an interesting fact about human nature, but we normally filter the world through our own experiences. To quote a proverb, “we speak what’s in our hearts”. Kramnick was once accused of cheating. Now he accuses everyone else of cheating. He does this because he thinks people are capable of it. One has to ask why he would think that? His young opponent did not play a perfect game but it was a well executed tactic. I think when kramnick points the finger, we should all say, “ah yes, he would know”. 😈
Of all the chess players, there are only a handful that can beat Kramnik. What are the chances that he is paired against one of them? It's so unlikely, it must be cheating.
Seriously, though, someone needs to take his report button away from him. It's not good for his mental health.
Kramnik became once a world champion. What are the chances, that you begin playing chess, and end up being a world champion?? Interesting!!
Esports have never been respected by Society because of the anonymity. Most of the top players say 20 to 50% of players cheat and title Tuesday. Camnik is just more public and aggressive because he's retired and has nothing to lose. These chess professionals have a chance to change the world but when I read all the comments of all the cheating kids on social media and in this thread I don't think there's any hope for that. Maybe you don't realize but even you when you have more than one account on the website you're a cheater buddy. Lol
@@cooloutac The problem with Kramnik is neither his fight against cheating, nor his aggressivity. The problem with Kramnik is that he directly accuses specific people based on pure bullshit, and does with this a complete disservice to the cause. You can already see that almost nobody takes his accusations seriously anymore, and that's completely on him. When he started his anti-cheating efforts, I was cheering for him. But his irresponsible actions and reactions made a mockery of him and of his fight against cheating. At this point most people think that his real motivation is, that he just can't cope with losing in chess... Not well done, not at all.
@bleekcer absolutely wrong and the website open themselves up to a lawsuit by claiming such nonsense. Reporting a player is not accusing anyone of cheating neither is asking if they are cheating it's really a question and the burden is on the website to accuse them or not. When all your kids on social media get so upset about this it makes you look like a cheater yourself. And I'm willing to put down money that you use multiple accounts on the website which would confirm you are. And just because all the cheating kids on social media and all the streamers are calling him a clown doesn't mean all the top 100 title players and all the of the Chess World do not support him. You probably don't even follow chess
@@cooloutac
That's some nice bait, but you make it way too obvious. Maybe start with some less insane positions, then someone may believe you actually hold them.
Cheating is a big problem in chess, but so are boomers who can't take losing.
Ne3+ is a really nice move in that one variation towards the end.
I only play OtB anymore. There is so much cheating on line anymore, it’s ridiculous. And if a titled player booted up Stockfish for one or two moves a game, how do you prove that with the algorithms? You can’t.
Using Occam’s razor, I’m guessing Kramnik underestimated his opponent because they were an FM.
I think we can start telling Kramnik: "ok boomer". He has lost the plot
Technically he's Generation X -- almost Gen Z -- but point taken.
@@SaintD382 not almost gen z, it's gen x -> millennial -> gen z
well i got blocked by him on twitter,
It is suspicious. Why let Kramnik sacrifice in g2 when you can prevent it? The consequences of the attack can not be evaluated in a rapid or blitz game.
What a shame, accusing such a young talented individual of cheating because they whooped you so good. His whole ego just got flushed down the toilet along with his reputation. I for one like this kids strategy, I probably would have played the same way, at least in the beginning. Once the game gets going its like a work of art, definitely leagues ahead of myself.
Kramnik logic: I lost, therefore opponent is a cheater, lol.
Good ol' Kramnik, the Donald Trump of chess!
No need to bring your politics here, buddy
The problem is Kramnik is wrong. Seek help for your TDS, child 🤡
@@1994mrmysteryman This isn't about politics, this is about personality.
@@bleekcer It's definitely about politics. Most people judge his personality by his politics. If they agree with him politically, they think he's brilliant and charming and funny. If they disagree with him politically, they think he's heinous and dim and weird.
This is political. Kindly don't bring this here. No matter how much the orange man lives rent free in your head.
@@1994mrmysteryman He doesn't in mine I can assure you, but nice baseless assumptions you have. If Kramnik was senile and would fall asleep while playing chess, I had no problem someone comparing him to Biden. Has nothing to do with politics, but with being a celebrity. Not everything is about politics, stop projecting.
Man I feel ashamed for Mr Kramnik.
I follow chess a little but am not across everything happening however, I do need to ask: is Kramnik OK?
No he doesn't seem fully mentally well. It's pretty sad.
usually GMs get really pissed when they lose from a lower rated player, they go cry filing a complaint that his opponent was cheating. in lichess, whenever i demolish a GM, usually my account gets banned, i did not cheat, but they complain that i was playing too good to beat their asses.
That's because lochess is a more legit website. for example they put right in their TOS they make no exceptions for Speed running because it encourages rating manipulation. The corrupt site only cares about money. they want ad money from The Smurfing streamers and they want ad money from all the accounts on file. The more the better.
That's because lichess is more legit.
Kramnik needs to be banned from reporting people lol
There was nothing wrong with reporting someone it's just a check you should be doing it every time you suspect someone of cheating. Kramnik also studies all his opponents and he probably already reported this kid and already knows he's a 2200 rated OTB player who lost 100 points this year including 20 points in January but for some reason turns into God online and is Smashing 2900s.
wow, look at you go getting up in everyone's grill in the comments. are you really Kramnik trying to defend yourself with a fake acocunt? do you have multiple accounts on YT, because that makes you a cheater! do you even know that Kramnik has said he doesn't pre-move, that puts him at a massive disadvantage online in blitz. no wonder he gets smashed by people rated significantly less than him online. you'd probably know that if you were rated higher than 1200@@cooloutac
I gave a piece away and lost the game... he's cheating :)))@@cooloutac
It's got to be hard to admit to yourself that you just don't have it anymore.
The sad fact is, the number of cheaters online is enough to drive anyone insane. I will never disrespect Kramnik like so many others do here and elsewhere. The man is one of the greatest players in history, and none of you are fit to sit at the board with him. An interesting solution would be for Kramnik to play OTB games against the people he accuses of cheating. It would be interesting to see how confident they are then...
Many of these random world class online players perform terrible OTB, some of them not even playing IRL. But sure, there is nothing suspicious at all with all these unknown players popping up. Anyone can find deep engine moves in seconds right, especially the 1500 elo experts in the comment section.