@@FrankensteinMotorworks I love the AR stuff man. I’ve been staying up to date a ton with your channel recently if you can successfully stroke the 2AR and make a kit for it I would be very interested in buying it.
Just finding your channel and videos. As for montages... I enjoyed it myself, being a mechanic type of person. Lol. But for those who don't like it... a progress bar, AND a notification of where to skip to also is MORE than enough to satisfy all.
I like the montage. Its interesting watching how you work over time. Reminds me of a TV show, keep it in future videos. Kinda like Benny Hill but informative. ie: your cherry picker technique taught me something.
H there, I just 're-found' your YT site :-). I found it years back when I noticed FM name come-up regards MR2 V6's, but there was only the odd film, but now.... well wow, theres loads of stuff on here. Thamks for your time to make the films & share your knowledge. I have a 'posh MR2' AKA a Lotus Exige S2, so you never know, a 2GR FE in that someday like the S3 Exige could be on the cards ;-)
Thanks for checking it out and subscribing. I really am pushing to get more information out there about these swaps. My only real issue with those lotuses are that i can't fit in them. Otherwise they are pretty fantastic little cars.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Haha... yes, they're kinda of post box to get in/out, not too bad once in, but lucky I'm small, so they feel just right. But thanks again for your channel - really appreciated & I love your can-do approach. I think many Lotus guys ignore the MR2 scene, but in reality they are quite similar & of course Lotus Cars did switch from 2ZZ to 2GR-FE in the Exige since 2012. Although Lotus went down the SC route (for road cars) the 4.0 NA (for race cars) seems very interesting to keep weight / complexity / heat load down. Cosworth & Swindon seemed to be their main suppliers.
@@seancain7305 Your comment about the MR2 scene and lotus guys is funny. When the evora came out i tried to branch out a bit but it became quickly obvious that since i wasn't charging enough that people did not believe me. I already had several years experience with the motor before the evora came out.
So in this case the 2AR-FE in the scion tc to turn it into a 2.7L I would just have to take the rods and crankshaft from the 1AR-FE? Along side with the JE pistons? Is that right? Lol
I'm loving these experiments. Your plenum experiments are great. Is there anything you can do about increasing the manifold air density by improving the airflow from the atmosphere to the plenum? Air density is power
The first step i want to do is actually measure the plenum pressure to see if there's a problem to solve there, it's on my to-do list for sure already.
I have a 2016 toyota camry (xv50) powered by the 2arfe. These cars were only ever sold with automatic transmission and I always wondered what it would be like if Toyota made them with manual. If I were to manual swap it, what transmission will work with my engine and will I have to use a stand-alone ecu? Can a 6 speed, I think they are called eb60 or eb62 work with my engine?
The EB62 is what the 2010-2011 camry uses with this motor and would be a good choice. Likely you'd have interesting integration issues with the CAN bus. it could probably be solved but only if you have experience with that kind of thing.
Your curves do about what they do on a Ford 5.0-5.8L, a Chevy LS or LT, various imports when you stroke the bottom end and keep the top end and cam the same. Generally it will be inflated by the 8% or whatever the increase in displacement is up to about the very top. At that point it will taper down. The reason is the cam timing only supports that ( a shorter one ) powerband on that displacement. At the higher rpm the piston velocity and acceleration is too great for the cam timing and induction. So it will be a peak torque increase of maybe the 8%. However the peak HP increase is somewhere from 1 to maybe 4 or 5% ( depending on how good or bad the top end was ), not close to 8% because your losing a few hundred RPM off the powerband.
The only internal difference between the motors is the crank and the pistons. Externally the intake manifold is a tiny bit different but not to the point where it really matters which one you have.
That montage was amazing... watching you just pop out an entire engine and pop in a new one is ridiculous. My request is that you pop little titles in there for what you're doing like "unbolting exhaust". "inspecting oil filter" etc. for my poor friend who is a dumb as a rock and wants to learn what you're doing. If that sounds like a boatload of effort, I understand and will educate my friend myself.
As far as i know there are no directly available off the shelf pistons for the 1AR-FE. That should be relatively easy to resolve and I'd be happy to do it if there's enough of a market for it.
I've actually already got a drawing for a set of BMW ITBs here that are almost an exact fit with a small adapter and i would like to test that but i need to have an aftermarket ECU setup before i do that so that'll be pushed a bit further down the line before i test that.
I can honestly say i wasn't expecting this question. Aerogel is an amazing insulator but I don't think it could survive normal automotive conditions, especially the constant vibrations. That said, having an insulator that is as close to perfect as we can currently get probably has some interesting implications for exhaust heat energy recovery. Perhaps being able to recover some of that 30% or so of the energy that is lost to heat dissipation.
I have a 2AZFE in the Scion xB. All I ever wanted was N/A 200 maybe 210hp. Possible? ( of course everything is possible in a mod with money) but what kinda work am I looking at? Thanks
You can see a comparison based on MAF numbers at about 11:30 in the video. I need to tweak the tune before bothering to take it to the dyno to get real numbers. but real numbers are coming.
Check the channel Ronald Finger. He did a Fiero restoration series and did a nice job of editing. He does a lot of voice overs during the time lapse. That might help you.
So, I was looking on your website at the Ecu's. So if you did everything to the 2ar to make a 1ar...I would assume the ecu still being that scion tc... Would the ecu allow the tune to meld with the natural 1ar or does it have to be your version of the 2ar (secretly a 1ar)? I watched this one and the one after. So, if you have a 1ar. Getting higher degree cams and injectors would be about it then...? Too my knowledge, seems legit. These engines seem restricted on all front: Cold air, fire, hot air, and fuel distribution could all be faster. I didn't know all this a while ago. So I just took the muffler off and put on a cold air that's actually cold. Does so much better. So if you can put the cams on your site. I very well might be able to buy and fit them. So if you're still going...please continue. Cams would be great for a while till I say turbo the damn thing. What's even better is they make 2ar turbo kits. Knowing they're basically the same now. You can do that possibly. I know I'm looking into it.
$150 was a special deal but these motors show up a lot at the pick-n-pull yards and those are $250-300 if you pull it yourself. Unlike the 2GR, these are quite available.
I appreciate your hard work in swapping that motor out within a day, by yourself, without a lift!
This is way easier than doing it track side :) I would like to get a lift some day though.
The video I’ve been waiting months for! Yes!
Yeah, I'm excited to put the AR stuff back in the spotlight :)
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I love the AR stuff man. I’ve been staying up to date a ton with your channel recently if you can successfully stroke the 2AR and make a kit for it I would be very interested in buying it.
You are making it look like a walk in the park. Good job!
Thanks! 😃
Yes I’m so glad to see this video come up! Keep it up man your doing something great!
Just finding your channel and videos. As for montages... I enjoyed it myself, being a mechanic type of person. Lol. But for those who don't like it... a progress bar, AND a notification of where to skip to also is MORE than enough to satisfy all.
He’s amazingly talented @ mechanical ⚙️ fabrication. He’s living the dream building and racing his toys 👍
this is awesome! keep up the great work!
I like the montage. Its interesting watching how you work over time. Reminds me of a TV show, keep it in future videos. Kinda like Benny Hill but informative. ie: your cherry picker technique taught me something.
Thanks for the feedback. and yes, i actually do have a load leveler but i prefer just using ratchet straps.
H there, I just 're-found' your YT site :-). I found it years back when I noticed FM name come-up regards MR2 V6's, but there was only the odd film, but now.... well wow, theres loads of stuff on here. Thamks for your time to make the films & share your knowledge. I have a 'posh MR2' AKA a Lotus Exige S2, so you never know, a 2GR FE in that someday like the S3 Exige could be on the cards ;-)
Thanks for checking it out and subscribing. I really am pushing to get more information out there about these swaps. My only real issue with those lotuses are that i can't fit in them. Otherwise they are pretty fantastic little cars.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Haha... yes, they're kinda of post box to get in/out, not too bad once in, but lucky I'm small, so they feel just right. But thanks again for your channel - really appreciated & I love your can-do approach. I think many Lotus guys ignore the MR2 scene, but in reality they are quite similar & of course Lotus Cars did switch from 2ZZ to 2GR-FE in the Exige since 2012. Although Lotus went down the SC route (for road cars) the 4.0 NA (for race cars) seems very interesting to keep weight / complexity / heat load down. Cosworth & Swindon seemed to be their main suppliers.
@@seancain7305 Your comment about the MR2 scene and lotus guys is funny. When the evora came out i tried to branch out a bit but it became quickly obvious that since i wasn't charging enough that people did not believe me. I already had several years experience with the motor before the evora came out.
Great video
So in this case the 2AR-FE in the scion tc to turn it into a 2.7L I would just have to take the rods and crankshaft from the 1AR-FE? Along side with the JE pistons? Is that right? Lol
dude awesome!!!
this is the shit!
The only way to make that intake manifold better would be to go back to the root of it's design inspiration which looked to be the fibonacci spiral
Fantastic video!
Thank you very much!
New sub to the channel , you do awesome work bro easy one of my favorite channel right now ✊🏿
Thank you for subscribing, i appreciate it :)
Where do we get these cheap AR motors 👀
Awesome video
Omg you work hard dude!
Thanks :) I have fun with all this stuff!
I'm loving these experiments. Your plenum experiments are great.
Is there anything you can do about increasing the manifold air density by improving the airflow from the atmosphere to the plenum?
Air density is power
The first step i want to do is actually measure the plenum pressure to see if there's a problem to solve there, it's on my to-do list for sure already.
Thanks man.
Thanks bro Im learning alot for my 2017 camry !!! Any recommendations
Why don't you try ITB ?
Hi, so funny I have been thinking about installing a 2AR-FE in my Spyder, I am not sure how to get the stock ECU to handle boost?
Charcoal Filter if i remove in my AR-FE with stock engine i get little more power are not its a retraction can you help me
I have a 2016 toyota camry (xv50) powered by the 2arfe. These cars were only ever sold with automatic transmission and I always wondered what it would be like if Toyota made them with manual. If I were to manual swap it, what transmission will work with my engine and will I have to use a stand-alone ecu? Can a 6 speed, I think they are called eb60 or eb62 work with my engine?
The EB62 is what the 2010-2011 camry uses with this motor and would be a good choice. Likely you'd have interesting integration issues with the CAN bus. it could probably be solved but only if you have experience with that kind of thing.
Just buy a 2010-11 Camry with the manual transmission.
Your curves do about what they do on a Ford 5.0-5.8L, a Chevy LS or LT, various imports when you stroke the bottom end and keep the top end and cam the same. Generally it will be inflated by the 8% or whatever the increase in displacement is up to about the very top. At that point it will taper down. The reason is the cam timing only supports that ( a shorter one ) powerband on that displacement. At the higher rpm the piston velocity and acceleration is too great for the cam timing and induction. So it will be a peak torque increase of maybe the 8%. However the peak HP increase is somewhere from 1 to maybe 4 or 5% ( depending on how good or bad the top end was ), not close to 8% because your losing a few hundred RPM off the powerband.
good job...this car run oem ecu?
Yes, the 2.7L engine can run off the stock 2.5L ECU
So is all that is needed for the basic conversion litterally just 1ar crank and pistons?
The only internal difference between the motors is the crank and the pistons. Externally the intake manifold is a tiny bit different but not to the point where it really matters which one you have.
That montage was amazing... watching you just pop out an entire engine and pop in a new one is ridiculous.
My request is that you pop little titles in there for what you're doing like "unbolting exhaust". "inspecting oil filter" etc. for my poor friend who is a dumb as a rock and wants to learn what you're doing.
If that sounds like a boatload of effort, I understand and will educate my friend myself.
For the 2gr comes intake manifold leaders and perform different functions. Do you know if for 2arf comes someone else that makes the air flow better?
Christian, I'm sorry but i don't really understand your question. Can you phrase it differently and I'll try to answer it? Thanks
Man i wish in the near future you'll be able to make our little TC2 faster than the stock one without a boost.🙏🙏
Don't see any options regarding forged 1ar pistons...do you know of any readily available if these happen to be needed for higher rpm?
As far as i know there are no directly available off the shelf pistons for the 1AR-FE. That should be relatively easy to resolve and I'd be happy to do it if there's enough of a market for it.
I'm working on making set of Individual throttle bodies for the 2AR would you like to test them?
I've actually already got a drawing for a set of BMW ITBs here that are almost an exact fit with a small adapter and i would like to test that but i need to have an aftermarket ECU setup before i do that so that'll be pushed a bit further down the line before i test that.
I picked up a MS3PRO Ultimate hopefully a CAN egt soon
@@FrankensteinMotorworks have you considered the 65mm TB from the 4.0 tacomas, or the FRS? I think they would be a direct bolt on.
This has nothing to do with ur video but can aeorgel be applied to automative engineering? If it can how would we see it be applied?
I can honestly say i wasn't expecting this question. Aerogel is an amazing insulator but I don't think it could survive normal automotive conditions, especially the constant vibrations. That said, having an insulator that is as close to perfect as we can currently get probably has some interesting implications for exhaust heat energy recovery. Perhaps being able to recover some of that 30% or so of the energy that is lost to heat dissipation.
I have a 2AZFE in the Scion xB. All I ever wanted was N/A 200 maybe 210hp. Possible? ( of course everything is possible in a mod with money) but what kinda work am I looking at? Thanks
It's way easier to do a small turbo 5 psi will easily get you to 230hp even without an intercooler.
Hello, can you tell me, what gearbox fit on 2ar? Manual
The kit i sell to install this in the MR2 Spyder uses the EB60 transmission from the Scion tC
dyno numbers?
You can see a comparison based on MAF numbers at about 11:30 in the video. I need to tweak the tune before bothering to take it to the dyno to get real numbers. but real numbers are coming.
n/m, love the build. I usually see k swaps in the mr2s online
Check the channel Ronald Finger. He did a Fiero restoration series and did a nice job of editing. He does a lot of voice overs during the time lapse. That might help you.
Does the intake runner length switch over at 3.5k rpm?
It's closer to about 4800RPM and it probably needs to be about 4500 or so.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I wondered if that was the cause of the increased power at 3500 or so rpm.
@@michaelscholten9753 I think that's just where the long runners come into resonance.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks sorry maybe a stupid question for you. Does the 1ZZ intake manifold have the same variable intake length design?
So, I was looking on your website at the Ecu's. So if you did everything to the 2ar to make a 1ar...I would assume the ecu still being that scion tc... Would the ecu allow the tune to meld with the natural 1ar or does it have to be your version of the 2ar (secretly a 1ar)? I watched this one and the one after. So, if you have a 1ar. Getting higher degree cams and injectors would be about it then...? Too my knowledge, seems legit. These engines seem restricted on all front: Cold air, fire, hot air, and fuel distribution could all be faster. I didn't know all this a while ago. So I just took the muffler off and put on a cold air that's actually cold. Does so much better. So if you can put the cams on your site. I very well might be able to buy and fit them. So if you're still going...please continue. Cams would be great for a while till I say turbo the damn thing. What's even better is they make 2ar turbo kits. Knowing they're basically the same now. You can do that possibly. I know I'm looking into it.
Who makes turbo manifold? I can't find anywhere. All the places that used to have it have gone out if business, dezod, descendant, etc.
I'm guessing you get your 2AR's from a place similar to you U-pull-it
Yeah, the 2AR motors really aren't hard to find. They started in 2010 and Toyota put them in as their base motor in so many of their cars.
The cheapest I can find a 2AR in my area is $600, what is your trick to finding them for $150?
$150 was a special deal but these motors show up a lot at the pick-n-pull yards and those are $250-300 if you pull it yourself. Unlike the 2GR, these are quite available.
Dude! Just get a 1AR!…. They’re basically a stroked 2AR anyway!
1AR is less affordable than 2AR