Retro Fork Rebuild - Marzocchi Oil Change
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2017
- In this visit to to the shed we give the fork for our hardtail rebuild a full strip down and service. It is a old school Marzocchi fork but the process of removing the lowers and changing the oil is essentially the same for almost all MTB forks.
For the Retro riders this is a full service and oil change of a 2005 Marzocchi EXR Pro Coil with 120mm of travel. A simple yet lively little fork it is a easy and quick fork to disassemble and service.
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If you're not a teacher you missed your calling. Thank you for this detailed tutorial. Well done me bucko.
+joseph meredith Cheers, glad you liked the video and hope it helped getting your fork back to its best. I actually work at an Art School teaching digital media skills, so its more like teaching at a creche than a school at times!
Great video! Very straightforward and confidence-inspiring.
Great tutorial and explanations. Thanks.
Great video man!
This helped me to service my 2002 Bomber Z1 wedge.
Thanks for making this awesome and very informative video. Great work.
Thanks for taking the time to watch it and your kind comment. I also have a video for a newer 350CR Zocchi. I may also be of interest as in the service is the same as some older Zocchi models. don't forget to like and sub! ua-cam.com/video/M0JF59CQ088/v-deo.html
awesome video, thanks for posting it. I can now do my own with way more confidence.
Glad is was useful! Have a look at some of my other how-to videos see if there is anything else that can help!
thanks for your thorough tutorial . "nice job lad"
No worries. Glad it helped.
Thanks for the walk through
Glad it was useful, don't forget to like and subs for more like this.
I build bikes as my hobby, I found this very helpful;)
You are seriously good at keeping your instructions and videos concise. Thanks for the awesome video. You can waste soooo much time watching other videos that are poorly edited and way too long :)
Cheers Ross thats really kind of you to say so and I'm glad they've been usful for you. Im currently editing a lowers service vid on a modern fork and planning a few other vids about suspension tuning etc. Anything you would find particularly useful?
This vid was especially useful for my bombers !!! thanks mate!
+Sumner Bob your welcome, good luck with the service!
+Sumner Bob your welcome, good luck with your service!
Very good walk through. Plus you help me ID an old Marzocchi fork with no markings that has been driving me nuts for months! Thank You.
Your welcome! What was the fork?
I still have one of these :) Everything I ride is retro now :)
Its funny its smooth and great on smoother trail but on big chunk I notice the simplicity of the (or lack of) compression and usable rebound damping. That said its a solid wee fork, and sooo simple!!
Do you enjoy riding with them? I have the same forks too.
Top video Lad. Very informative gonna have a crack at my Vintage Marzocchi Z1 drop of 2002 Forks. Once again thank you.
Nae bother, glad it helped, now get a brew on and drop those lowers off! 😂😉
How did you get on? About to have ago at my 2001 Z1 Drop Offs as well.
I couldn't take my eyes off that expanding foam :)
Hahaha amazing! Hope the rest of the video was useful!
Thank you... This is a BRILLIANT tutorial. I need to repair a set of 2001 Z3 flylight 100's (of my classic Trek 8500LT) as one of the Schrader valves has broken - meaning no air and the oil has leaked out (some/most of it) . I know need to just need to obtain a pair of Schrader Valves (may as well replace both) and then I can follow your tutorial and complete the repair and service.
Thanks for taking the time to say and glad it was helpful! If you liked this visit the channel and check out my old but gold refurb of a Z1 !
ua-cam.com/video/4-IDdeQs2PI/v-deo.html
Gonna try and do all of this with far more confidence. Thx for the great video!
No worries! Go slowly and methodically cleaning as you go. Don't forget to like and sub!
@@StravaigingMTB Just not sure how much oil to put back in. I have i think a 2005 Kona caldera. Took the whole bike apart because I'm powder coating my frame and forks. Is it a good idea to paint the upper part of the fork you think? Any issues?
@@jvac1129 I have done a fork paint and refurb. Doing the crown of the csu (the part hard against the head tube) is fine you just have to solidly mask the stanchion and ensure no paint can get inside them.
@@jvac1129 here's the fork I did at home. ua-cam.com/video/4-IDdeQs2PI/v-deo.html
@@StravaigingMTB thanks for the info dude. Appreciate it. :)
Just got a set of these, going to put them on a 1998 Scott USA Comp Racing Mountain Bike RETRO;)
Awesome! Bet that's a wildly quick bike at covering long distances and climbing!
Sorry for all the comments, but again, I love the SHED!!!!
great tutorial Mate...you deserve so many more subs...amazed at the 58K views..
Thanks bud! I've been working at if for a while but slow growth 😄
Hope you found the video useful and subscribe (if you havent already) for more like this on the channel.
I have found a Specialized wiht this fork on it but the color is Orange, the bike have a couple scratch but still look very nice if you keep in mind it was found in the garbage . Visualy it look like a 2000$ bicycle . Thx for the tutorial its extremely appreciated . Sorry for the grammar im french and i have low i.q
Good Times! As long as the seals aren't cracked it shoujdl be good to go. Check for any silvering in the oil that you drain out, that suggests excessive wear but regular oil changes and greasing the seals with suspension specific grease should prevent or arrest any age. Don;t forget to like and sub!
easy use
Followed every step for marzocchi exr pro 100mm service. Couldn't of done it without your vid so thx alot. Wish you had a headset video. There are so many spacers and also 2 spring rings which I have no idea where they go. Should of marked them when I took them apart 3 weeks ago. Tried looking for a diagram for my 2005 kona caldera but couldn't find one. Found the suspension diagram pretty easy but not the head set.
Glad the video helped! Headsets vary from model to model and are not specific to the bike but the headset model. On the headset will be a name and usually a model, someone like Cane Creek for example. I'm actually planning on filming a headset vid in the coming week!
Just been given an old bike with a set of marzocchi mzII coil shocks, which look almost identical to yours.
I have oil leeking out of the top of them, and I think the seals have gone. Your video is exactly what I needed, as I have zero experience with servicing shocks on a bike. But I have managed to find a manual online for them, so hopefully I can source replacement seals and oil (not sure how much oil to use though 🤔)
Thank you for the upload 👍🏿😊
They are a very simple fork to service and a great one to get started with servicing suspension.
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Thank you for the reply, as I was nervous about servicing them. But now I will go for it. 👍🏿😊
Muy buen vídeo. Espero que me sirva para mi Marzocchi Bomber MX comp eta
Great guide, i just serviced my 2001 Junior T's thanks to this! Struggling to get the foot nuts to bite though. Ive read maybe an impact drill could work. Either way, much appreciated!
When the footnut won't loosen usually the push rod is rotating. If you take the top cap off remove the spring, you can put a pole down the inside to try and brace the push rod and stop it rotating.
@@StravaigingMTB oh it all loosened, the forks are back together. Its doing it back up! Just tagged you on my Instagram post 😇
Ah gotcha, same problem same trick can help to work.
@@StravaigingMTB thank you!
Hello Nathan, i am struggling with my junior t 2001, it is leaking oil from the seals and it recently became very stiff, can you help me service it myself because my local bike shop wont do it
As the ex UK marzocchi service centre mechanic, good job, use a torque wrench on those footnuts tho, 8nm as I remember, but check for your fork, you don't want to snap them off or damage them in any way, parts are hard, near impossible to get on older forks
Thanks man, I struggled to find torque listings so thanks for the tip! I always ten to go 10% less than the listed torque to help avoid failure in case a bolt has be stretched or component has suffered from fatigue. Next is service my 350 CR's.
Stravaiging MTB cool, you have the manual there, check it is 8nm, I think it is, different marzocchi forks have different torque settings, Z1's are 7nm for instance, early z3 wetforks are 5nm, be careful not to use rockoil in these forks, it causes the damper piston rings to expand, giving unexpected higher damping rates and friction, I just serviced my z2 Superfly's, looking forward to seeing your 350's serviced
My Z3s are 20 years old and actually still feel really good. Sound a bit mushy tho. Might have to service , thanks !
Have a look for any silver sheen in the old oil. It will be a sign of wear. I it's there carry carefully check for wear. In reality with zokes of that vintage the seals will probably be fine.
Stravaiging MTB thanks! Are parts still available?
Yes and no. You can get seals easily enough and you can source replacement cartridges/springs and push rodsfrom eBay. The retro bike brigade hoard them like crazy! 🤣
Thanks for the informative video. I bought a used 2002 Bombers Air Fork for $20. In a word, plush. Servicing an oil change is similar? Well minus the fact there two air values on top.
+Joe N oil change will be identical in some respects. The footnuts will connect to pushrods that compress the airsprings. You won't need to remove the air valve tip caps. Remove the foot bolts, drop the losers to drain the oil, clean as shown here. Refit the losers half way. With the fork upside down inject the oil into the lowers through the bolt holes using a syringe. Marzochi service manuals exist for each model so do some googling to confirm oil volume.
+Joe N this link might help. redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_150635726912615&key=6b590a383d5c8ad74c577b3652ca2031&libId=j80e4v0g010006wf000MA450qcs68&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.mtbr.com%2Fshocks-suspension%2F2002-marzocchi-bomber-mxr-air-service-manual-941751.html&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fmy-sport.spb.ru%2Fmanual_1%2F2002-L_MXR_A_100.pdf&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2F&title=Forums%20-%20Mtbr.com&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fmy-sport.spb.ru%2Fmanual_1%2F2002-L_MXR_A_100.pdf
Hello can i use motorbike fork oil?
Great video thank you. Do you think the procedure shown is similar enough for me to attempt my 2001 Z3 spring Marzocci bomber forks??
Awesome! Thank you very much!
Junior T’s are pretty well the same I presume?
Veey similar youll find the service manual for your model year here my-sport.spb.ru/manual_1/index-16.htm
Hey thanks for the info and like the videos , I have 2003 Marzocchi bomber jt. t 260cc on each leg do i put it in from the top or inject it from the bottom ?. Thanks
I wonder were the rebound damping is done in this fork ... did I miss it, or does it really not have one?
Awesomely chill tutorial you gave here mate! Thanks!
This fork is crazy simple and has no rebound adjust, but if you put a heavier oil instead of the 7.5wt will slow the rebound down and a lighter oil like 5wt will speed the rebound up.
Glad you enjoyed the tutorial hope you like the other videos on the channel.
I need to rebuild my fork.bomber z2 atam race help cant find no info.
Really useful video this and I think the majority of it can be applied to servicing an old Marzocchi MZ II I have on my Kona Caldera. However, I can't find recommended oil weights or volumes anywhere! Any suggestions would be much appreciated...
Yeah it will read almost straight across. I get most of my zocchi oil info from this site, it was run by the former UK distributor ans main servicing centre for Marzocchi so its all good accurate info. ://marzocchiworkshop.blogspot.com/p/oil-quantitys-and-levels_858.html?m=1
Hi, which size of the snap ring pliers have you used to remove rings in the upper stantions below damper? Its so many sizes!
Hi there! May i ask if any oil goes into the bottom via the holes where the footnuts are? Or only the main bath oil via the top? Also can i slow down the rebound with a thicker oil? Thanks so much! Jez
Hey my socket does no fit as theres not enough room for it, do you knownif theres a special tool? Or how i can take the screw out
Hi, I have a set of Dirt Jumper 3 forks and I am struggling to locate how to fit new seals and repair them in general, I have watched a few of your videos and your knowledge is brilliant so I thougbt I would ask you, if you know of the easiest and cheapest way of maintaining the forks? Thank you
Replacing seals is pretty straight forward and the process is the same for basically every fork. The important thing is to keep everythign really clean and to ensure the seals you are fitting are the correct size for your forks. Something that is a bit tricky with older forks to do sometimes.
The older Zocchi forks sometimes have an inner oil seals and an upper dust seal. The oil seal will probably be fine unless the fork has had a really hard time and the oil has gone dry.
Heres a video of me fitting some fresh seals to a set of RS SIDS, different fork, basically the same process.
ua-cam.com/video/eFuae_DNimQ/v-deo.html
I am a little confused. When you put it together you put the fork in the horizontal position and mentioned injecting oil at the lower leg but you only poured the oil on the top? Do I put oil on the top and lower legs? Thanks
Some forks the spring and damper are separate sealed entities from the lower oil bath. These and other open bath forks use a single larger pool of oil. So with the push rod nuts tightened you have made the lowers water tight so we pour the oil in the top. It's the same oil filling the whole fork.
It went together easily in less than an hour. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.
please i have a question what will happen if you put too much oil in a fork? will that make it stiffer and have like a low rebound effect?
It would do a few things completely depending on te fork and whether it is coil or air spring. It has the danger of creating hydraulic lock and limiting the travel of the fork. On old skool Zocchi forks, if you want to slow the rebound and there is no internal or external adjustment the old hack was to change the weight of the oil. Heavier = slower lighter = faster.
My 2006 Marzocchi DirtJam manual says 180cc in RIGHT leg....is that true?
Great video, I was super stoked to figure out what shocks I actually owned and it looked perfect all the way until you took the top unit apart, mine has two cartridges and an air valve, otherwise looks identical. Guessing mine are circa 2002 but I need to find out as I need oil quantity and air pressure figures, any idea??
The process is the same more or less just with the cartridges instead of push rods and springs. This blog by the former official Zocchi dealer has all the oil levels you need. Air is a whole other thing as it depends on how heavy you are. Find an old manual online, easy enough as they are all been uploaded as off and follow the air tuning guide. marzocchiworkshop.blogspot.com/p/oil-quantitys-and-levels_858.html?m=1
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The issue is I’m not sure what they are, leaning towards marathon 2002 SL’s but not 100%
How much Oil do I need to put in these? Is there a List for these old marzocchi bomber forks?
If you google about you will find an old zocchi service manual that lists all the oil volumes for that years forks.
I have a atem race z2 is it about the same as the forks in this video? can't find a manual .need 2 service. Help
There is this thing called Google search and it can find stuff even if it is misspelled. It ook me less that :45 seconds to find the PDF manual you were seeking. my-sport.spb.ru/manual_1/2001%20z2%20race.pdf
someone posted a 02 dj 2 (the orange one), and they're not answering back about if the fork has developed any sag, or if the springs/seals need to be replaced. IS IT STILL POSSIBLE 18 years later to get the components to service that fork and make it work like brand new? Or is that not even remotely worth my time or money?
I have a Kona Coiler from 2005. Yes I still ride the bloody thing but the fork is beginning to sag / leak. I believe it is a Marzocchi Bomber Drop-Off Comp 130mm fork. Wondering if this would be serviced with your instructions above it where I can get a rebuild kit from? I’m here in Colorado.
Without looking at the manual, and assuming it is the air model with at in each side, then i would guess that that fork uses an inner oil seal and the dust seal to keep the air pressure in. Marzocchi sometimes doesn't use a air spring cartridge like assembly like RS and fox. So of the seals leak, even a little you will lose air pressure and therefore would sag more than you want or had setup your fork for. A rebuild with correct oil volume and fresh seals would fix this if my guessing is correct. Enduro fork seals fro. RWC work well on older Zocchi forks as seals for a fork that old can be like sourcing hens teeth.
Here's another vintage Zocchi fork I refurbed (paint and rebuild) might help see how a fork like ypur works. Don't forget to sub for more videos! ua-cam.com/video/4-IDdeQs2PI/v-deo.html
Fab video which really helped me service and replace the seals on my 2002 Maz forks. One question - You say 125ml of oil per leg. Does it matter how much goes into the bottom of the fork and how much into the top?
That depends on the fork. Oil levels are specific to fork model and year so check with your manufacturer website. With this one, its an open bath system so it doesn't matter if you put it in top or bottom. It all ends up in the same place!
hello. I am working on a 1999 z1 bam bomber. I can't find any of the seals and I got no help from manufacturer. any leads? part numbers?
1 last question. Can you adjust these Marzocchi EXR coil suspension forks? The top caps have to go on snug no? I'm guessing you can't adjust these but I thought I'd ask. I had got my bike powder coated and fully serviced my suspension just like you did in this video. Now I'm just waiting on my tune up I'm getting. It just wasn't working right. My 1st time reassembling a entire bike.
You can adjust the preload on both sides. There is no rebound adjust. The preload sets the day. The heavier you are the less preload you need to get proper sag. Aim for 20-25% of your travel to say when your stationary on the bike. You can use a heavier or lighter oil to speed up or slow down the rebound, but the suggests 7.5wt works pretty well.
So glad I found this video of my exact fork . My question is there a way to increase the travel to say maybe to 150mm ? If so how would I go about finding the info please ? Thanks in advance for replying to my question
Hi there glad you liked the video and that you found it useful. To extend this forks travel, you would need new push rods and springs. The fork is also not intended for that length of travel so even if you were able to source compatible part the chance of a 15 year old fork failing gets allot higher imo. I would find another fork, a similar vintage zocchi Z1 would be a good fit in terms of travel and compatibility with your existing wheel/brakes/headset. Please like and subscribe for more videos like this 😄
@@StravaigingMTB thanks for the tip ,I'll be on the look out for one
How do you know if seals need replaced.
The seals will be leaking oil before you service them or the seals will have visible cracks in them. Also check the garter spring, if it has visible damage then replace the whole seal.
So this can be applied to my 2004 Marzocchi Bomber Z.1 FR SL???
More or less the same process.
Tying to separate my EXR comps and they just will not come Apart . Any tips?
Are the foot bolts just spinning?
Can I post you my 2004 Dirt Jumper III’s to do please?
I replaced the oil but they clunk and have a fairly slow rebound even with lighter oil!
Dirt jumpers might be tuned to have slower rebound so they don't pogo you on dirt jumps but I've never ridden them to be sure.
Cool video! :-)
So there is definitely no oil or crease on the springs inside?
Only put out cleaning them and put in?
Only oil for lower leg service?
These forks are an open bath design, that means the oil in the lowers can circulate in the spring section of the fork. On sealed units like air forks, the lower oil is there only to lubricate the fork. On an open bath design that oil is also being used to damp the forks movement. It makes for a simpler design, so you see it on older and entry level forks. It can be very plush but also heavy as it takes a lot of oil and only works with coil forks.
I have some wedge 03's here which were in perfect working order until I had a fiddle and lost all the oil. I can not find any info on these forks and I can only find a google image of the same fork with 130mm travel.. mine are only 80mm. I need to add oil but I don't know how much to add. Any help would be much appreciated
Hi there, this now archived blog produced by the old UK service centre for marzocchi has service details and oil volumes. There is a set of instructions to measure the oil volume in the fork so read those first. Hope that helps. marzocchiworkshop.blogspot.com/p/oil-quantitys-and-levels_858.html?m=1
@@StravaigingMTB Sorted now :)
is maintenance on a marzocchi am sl the same. its on a 2007 specialize enduro
Not exactly, on that fork the air spring and the damper are self contained cartridges. The rough process would be, remove foot nuts, pull lowers off over oil bath the carefully remove top caps and pull the carts out. Heres the listing on the zocchi site, it has an exploded diagram which should help.
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www.marzocchi.com/support/forks/2006/2006-all-mountain-sl.aspx?idC=62354&idM=18958-227-227&idMy=15631&idP=18522-101&idS=15739
I’ve just purchased a set of marzocchi 1999 air forks for my daughters kona stinky 24w. But the seals have gone.
The issue is that the only service manual I could find shows that there’s only 1 air cylinder but the forks I have, have a air valve on each side?
For seals the measurements are more important, have a look at the serial number on the CSU to get he correct model type and then have a look around RWC website for some compatible enduro fork seals. The older models are a nightmare to find new seals for but I've had good experience with the enduro seals.
Got the seals fitted today and put the fork oil in.
Was all going swimmingly and then I noticed oil dripping on the floor.
Then I realised that both the lowers had 4" long cracks going up the back. I am gutted.
Fuuuuuuuuuk that's beyond frustrating. I feel for you.
Great, video. I cannot identify the oil of the fork. Is it 7,5 w?
Thank you
Yes 7.5wt fork oil is what you need 😊.
This is a great video. I bought a 1996 Trek 7000 for 15 bucks and it has a Marzocchi MX Bomber 04 fork that I took apart to clean after watching you. Both legs have a 165 mm coil spring in them and the right leg has an air valve. So do I call this a coil spring or air spring fork? Above each spring there is a plastic tube spacer 76 mm long. Is this like modern tokens? Can I change sizes of these, and to what effect? Thanks for your assistance, loved watching the video and listening to your accent! (I'm an Alaskan)
Thanks for the comment, $15 is a steal! The accents a blur of Scots. I think the spacer will be to adjust the travel length without changing the spring. Pull the spacer and the travel reduces, you would never run without it but once upon a moonlight you would of been able to get different length ones to adjust the travel. The air valve is like a air assist a bit like a reverse preload for the coil. So if your blowing through the travel with just the coil then top up the air to help hold up the travel.
sir, how many millis is the oil content per tube, I happen to have the same fork
Think he said 125mm in each
Hi would this be the same as the 98 z1 bombers?
It will be very similar. The oil volumes will be different however and you need to ensure that they arw correct.
Hi. Do you know where I can get manual for Bomber 4x? Thanks
Their website has everything still there probably till the late 90s b4 that computers where not common place marzzocchi could dig them out for u
Notice you have some marzocchi 350 CAR forks. I've done a lower service, but wondering if you've serviced the DBC damper? Cheers! 🤘🚴
+Jamie Hamilton i havn't but i have had a long chat with a zocchi tech about it. They use the DBC cartridge, it draws oil from its base like a syringe and blows the overfill out the top keeping it perfectly bled of air all the time. An oil change is easy but messy. There isnt a good video of this on youtube but the older LR cart is an identical procedure. ua-cam.com/video/8opKWUHQ2O0/v-deo.html
Stravaiging MTB yeh I'm about to give that one a go. I get the having to bleed the rebound & compression separately then bring them together with the splash oil acting as overflow / reserve. Definitely let me know if you have a go too! I'll let you know how I get on 🚴🤘
+Jamie Hamilton ill do a video if i do, good luck!
Hey bro! I did a full strip & rebuild last night and it all went well! No problems with the DBC bleed process. Although it is a bit messy. One thing I did do differently though is with the removal of the AER air cartridge. Most people seem to separate the air tube via the top of the fork & remove the piston & rod assembly via the bottom ( cir-clip removal method ) which causes the air unit to separate while still in the stanchion. What I did was "gently" remove the bottom out bumper & disc at the bottom of the air rod first. This allowed me to remove the whole unit out the top of the fork. So I could separate the air spring in a more controlled manner as not to lose any seals or bits in the stanchion. This method worked way better!
+Jamie Hamilton awesome! I bet they will feel better than they did when new now! What weight oil did you use in the damper? I know a few boys who switched to 5wt from the listed 7.5wt to increase small bump sensitivity.
Question: Is it ok to paint the 2 rods that go into the fork where the springs are in? Someone had told me not too but I'm powder coating my frame black and a few things gold and I want those to rods to be (tubes with the springs inside them) gold as well.
The rods with springs I side are called the stanchions. You 100% cannot paint them. It will destroy the fork. They are a special anodized or plated metal coating. They are the colour they are. Paint or powder coating will wear off and destroy the internals and write the fork off. Basically. Don't do it 👍🏻.
I might be screwed then. He might of done it already I'm not sure. Uhg!
Good luck!!
Thankfully he didn't powder coat the stanchions on my 2004 EXR Pro AirCoil 100mm. My black and gold 2004 Kona turned out awesome! I'm so happy with it. Thx again for everything buddy.
@@jvac1129 awesome! Go ride!!
Just tried searching again and found a manual. I was incorrect on the year.
The forks are 2001 Z3 flylight 100
I got these because my daughter is only 8 and isn't heavy enough to compress her old forks.
The air forks are easier to set up for her weight.
I have an old set of Zocchi's in storage for this exact reason for when my wee one is big enough. Another trick with old Zocchi' s if they have two springs, take one out and it will compress easier. You can also go to a lighter oil and it will have a lighter damper feel.
Hello I need your help good man!
I have old marzocchi fork, but he is composed of two forks and I don't know how much oil I need to pour :/ my fork is build of 2 ssv and 2 springs and I have 130mm jump. I'm sure that this marzocchi was produced before 2003. Have you an idea how much oil should I pour to lags? Is there a way to measure it? I hope that you know that :D
(sorry for English)
Google is your friend use it Lad, 😂
Nice Find on the forks..
I Just did a Budget Hard tail Build with a on one 456 evo2 Frame I had some cheep Suntour 120mm forks but I wanted more Travel. so I was in a hurry to find some affordable 140mm+ forks with 1 1/8 straight steerer tube. then on ebay I found new/old stock 2006 Manitou stance flow for really Cheep, so I grabbed one. I Know the Stance flow do not Have the Best Reputation according to some reviews some Hate them and some say they are ok with Enduro Seals. so far they are far worth what I paid but my Left seal is staring to Leak so I'm about to Service them and get new Seals. do you Know if the Enduro Brand Seals are any better.?
+Vegan Mountain Goat the enduro seals get a good rep but can be a bit aggressive on stanchions if muck gets past the dust seal. Keep them clean by fitting a mud guard and after cleaning the bike apply some wet chain lube to the lip of the seal, compress the fork a bunch of times and wipe the residue off. This will keep them lived and help lift fine dust out the seal.
Thank you for your advice I will do that.
HAHAHAHA! I thought that coffee mug was to catch oil or apply oil to the fork and then you drank from it!
HA! although one time I used the wrong tyre lever to fish a tea bag out and ended up with a load of Stans in my tea, HA!
i just ordered Marzocchi 350 NCR 27.5" Fork - 2015 , what you think Genn ? Good buy or not , i got it off merlin cycles for 335.
+Jason Fuentes yeah I'd day that was a pretty solid buy, Cecile Ravanell was top 2/3 on that fork before T Mo retired. That's also a great price! Like getting a top tier pike for less than a yari!
SO that good to know cause my boy at the bike shop told me that was a bad buy and i should of save my money for a rockshock . I want too but as i did research , People compare it to a pike just a little heavy. but the only thing i didn't like was the travel adjustment is internal .
+Jason Fuentes it doesn't have volume spacers, but I'm doing a vid at how to do the same. They feel different to rockshox, they feel a bit off on the car park rest but in the trail they are super supple and supportive. They really do well with an over the bats style as they do really well with chatter. The older ones had some issues with the coating wearing off the stanchions but they were the very earliest ones. They are a little heavier but just as stuff as my old fox 36's.
how much oil to put in there? and the pressure?
Its a coil, so no air pressure and with this fork I think (dont quote me) its 125mm each leg.
Anybody know where I can find a rebuild kit for a 2001 bomber I think it's a z3 air for. It has 28 mm stanchions.
The only "easy" bit to find are new oil and dust seals. A careful and regular search on ebay can find cartridges and bushes if the fork is in that bad a way. With forks this old spares are rarer than the forks them selves!
@@StravaigingMTB thanks brohiem!
I'd rather get hit in the eye than scratch the stanchions. Got my marzocchi jouinor t to service.. SHOPS WONT DO IT. any tips out there 🙊🙈
Go easy! take your time, clean as you go and photograph each step before you take it apart so you have a record of where everything goes.
Does this apply to my rockshox boxxer race 2005 and is it normal that it needs almost 200ml of oil in each legs?
Oh yea and I can hear my springs banging inside my fork when using it
The process for dropping the lowers to refresh the oil will be more or less the same. For oil weight and volume check the Rock Shox website. Oil coils can be a little noisy, but if you take the top nut off on the spring side you can pull the spring out. It should be in a very thick heat shrink to help with the rattle. Make sure this hasnt cracked or dissintergated. If it has you need to fully disassemble the spring side to clean out any small plastic debris.
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@@StravaigingMTB thank you very much
I have a 2004 Kona Caldera. My question is what kind of suspension oil do I need? I'm currently getting my bike powder coated and had to take everything apart so my front forks are completely taken apart and drained. My local bike store said I needed a specific oil but wouldnt tell me what kind and to find out myself. And what kind of grease also?
Usually 7.5wt suspension oil, I use stendec and for grease slick honey is the good stuff.
Thx and I forgot to say my shocks are marzocchi bomber shocks
I assumed they were zocchi so the oil weight will be 7.5 wt.
What amount do I put in? Sorry for all the questions. I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed since this is the 1st time tackling taking my bike completely apart and having to put it together after I get it back from paint. Figured it would be a fun project to do while off work because of everything going on with the virus
@@jvac1129 the oil volume depends on the fork model. Gave a look on the marzocchi workshop blog. It was run by the old UK dealer so had a very accurate list as well as instructions if your not sure what the exact model is.
If you think that's retro, you should check out my late 90's Z1's!
Love a set if those! The purists dont count it as reteo after 2000.
Stravaiging MTB I just acquired a 20+ year old Santa Cruz Heckler with some black Z1's. In need of two new stanchions as these are absolutely wrecked with gouges and dings, the rest of the fork is (cosmetically) fine however, given its age. I just have to wait patiently for the parts to show up at an affordable price.
There are ALOT of very cheap zocchi spares on UK eBay as the distributor changed amd they are liquidating NOS spares and parts. Might get lucky.
Also always liked the heckler, af fhe age is it the first gen with the round tubing into boxy looking section?
Stravaiging MTB Correct! Round, straight tubes with a billet/tube single pivot swingarm. Either 95/96 or 97/98. I don't know for sure, and Google images gives me mixed results. It's yellow in colour with a raw/anodized swingarm. White Industries crankset too!
I've tried eBay and found very little, except for lower legs and complete forks. I might try my local second hand bike shop. If I have to sacrifice one fork to save another, then I'll do it, it just depends which fork is in the best shape to begin with. I'd like to keep the black, even if they aren't as groovy as the typical orange. I think there's far fewer surviving examples of the black Z1 forks out there.
Would this be the same as Marzocchi MZ Race?
Probably more or less the same. Some of the older Zocchis use cartridges that you don't disassemble but apart from that should be fairly straight forward.
@@StravaigingMTB thank you, your video was very detailed and edited perfectly for optimal understanding, keep the service, and maintenance videos coming.
Much love from Canada 🇨🇦
Do you ride with these forks and like them or they to outdated for you?
I rode them on mixes trail riding form xc through to enduro and for on with them fine. They are basic but good for what they are. There's a video on the channel called gotta learn to lean where I'm riding them.
ua-cam.com/video/K8sxY8yvS5o/v-deo.html
This is a coil fork ?
Yup, 120mm travel coil fork with pre-load but no rebound adjustment.
Is it the same for the oldscool XC700?
Im afraid its not as straight forward as this, here is a pretty comprehensive walkthrough and discussion on a blog run by the former UK Zochi dealer. Hope that helps.
Thank you, found the thread, very helpfull. I just got a lot of 50 of those NOS and was looking for a way to service them before use.
You have 50 NOS XC 700s?!?!?! Where are you and can I have one! Cash and services exchange obviously ;)
Also where on earth did you find that treasure haul!
I am located in Thailand. Yes got 50 of those, as far as I know it was a malaysian dealership stock which were stuck in some warehouse after it went bankrupt. There are no boxes or manuals. I posted them on ebay, you can check them out. However there are less than 20 left now. Will also keep a couple for myself, they are just too pretty.
It's right only 152ml oil per coil
Depends on model and year. Check the marzocchi workshop blog for an accurate list if all older Zocchi forks and oil levels.
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Retro? RETRO?! Meh, why u saying it like that? I'm not old, you're old!
If suspension forks have been about from 1990, then a 2004 zocchi is bang in the middle. May be old by bike standards but doesnt mean it wont get the job done!
Would this procedure be likely similar for a 2010 DJ3?
Probably. They will either have cartridges or open bath push rods. Carefully disassemble and lay the parts out in the order they come in then reverse with fresh oil in a similar procedure to this.
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@@StravaigingMTB Great thanks, will give it a try. Already subscribed.