7.62x25mm vs. IIIA Body Armor
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- To answer viewer questions, I've purchased a 7.62x25mm Tokarev from AIM Surplus to see if the round is capable of penetrating threat level IIIA body armor from Spartan Armor Systems.
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The purpose of the armor piercing handgun ammo law (Police Officer Protection Act) was never to stop the sale of armor piercing handgun ammo. Its only purpose, which it has been wildly successful at, was the ban the importation of cheap surplus rifle ammo. It is the reason that 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 are so much more expensive now than they used to be. The government hates cheap guns, ammo, or anything else that helps lower the cost barrier for people to own and use guns.
Yup, you are spot on. So many gun control laws have their root in racism or classism. There are the obvious, like Reagan's ban on open carry in CA after the Black Panthers carried guns to the capitol. Then there are the less obvious, like all the licenses, import regulations, and other laws that prevent the poor from owning guns.
+Ben Aguilar
I'm confused. Those are rifle ammos.
They are for rifles?
So the law is named wrong?
+Ben Aguilar
What's scary is that the FBI and NIJ both ran studies into what weapons cop killers used.
Both times they found that almost universally they use higher quality stolen guns. They actively avoid anything that Isn't comfortable to shoot and at least 9mm.
So I guess glocks? Those are really common and thus rather likely to be stolen.
+Ben Aguilar Good point, if someone is determined to defeat body armor all they need to do is buy a 3006 etc, mission accomplished.
Jim C
Actually it's an AP 30-06.
4:42 -"LET'S DO THIS COMRADE!" ~Tokarev
I love my Yugo Tokarev. She's weird, but she's reliable and gets the job done. She gets me.
Doc Hussey n
"She's weird, but she's reliable and gets the job done. She gets me."
Sounds like a couple girlfriends I've had over the years.
ha that made me laugh
Got to love it when a gun that was produced in 1947 outperforms the 5.7x28
You mean 1930, right?
How did it outperform? 2a armor stopped it no problem.....
Government contract requirements for the 5.7 was to penetrate 1.5 mm of titanium and 20 layers of Kevlar stacked at 150yards .....if I'm not mistaken. If I am it's close enough. Also ive read that the 5.7 actually was able to achieve this out to 200.
@@dakotatallent9934 nah IIIA
@@dakotatallent9934 I believe White tips that the secret service have , not the law enforcement rounds floating around
Really love to see a modern doublestack pistol in this caliber, it performs so damned well
I agree, but other calibers are similar to it performance and concept wise, like .357 Sig, and especially 5.7x28 & 4.6x30
yes, very much so with the 5.7- although after doing some wetpack and gelatin testing the 7.62x25 does FAR more damage. Then again I haven't been able to get the military spec ammo, so who knows
AmoebicMagician Well it is a bigger bore. This is the 5.56x45 vs 7.62x39 debate for PDW calibers. lol One penetrates better, the other hits harder.
I've just never seen a pistol bullet yaw like a rifle round. Even .357 sig will flatter, but not tumble likr thr 7.62x25 does- it's a monster. But yeah, it pretty much is the old 5.56vs7.62 debate
AmoebicMagician Well most bullets yaw actually, they just aren't long like a rifle bullet so it doesn't do much. Watch MACs video on the 1860 vs M9, the 9x19 FMJ yawed in the gel.
Of all my pistols, the tt-33 is still one of my favourites. 7.62x25 is such an underrated round. It’s truly awesome.
I agree
Good demo on the danger of steel jacketed rounds and bullet traps towards the end of this vid. My local indoor range suffered a fire in one of their two pistol bays from steel jacketed ammo hitting the steel trap, creating a sparks, and setting powder residue alight. It took them nine months to recover. Minimal fire damage but massive smoke and water damage. Great lesson MAC!
Thanks man. Yes, it's a very real danger. I've also seen on steel jacket rounds make sparks at times, which I found to be a bit surprising. It's important for ranges to regularly clean their floors to prevent such accidents. I recommend sweeping nightly.
Vandalia Range & Armory by chance?
MightyGlock Burnsville Pistol and Rifle.
CrucibleArms Ironically named place for a fire to happen...
wouldn't the giant muzzle flash out of any gun be just as dangerous as the chance of sparks from either steel or even a static charge?
150 people realized their body armor won’t stop this round
172 now
It stopped it idiot
432,960
@@bulja80085 Nope, not at all. Why do you think they limit it to 44mm of backface? Moron
Up to 200 now lol
Trying to apply logic to our gun laws will just make your brain hurt!
True and whats worse, they used no logic in creating them either.
Dude.. bayonett lugs.. Save the kids.
Hans Blitz bayonet drive bys don't u know
daybreaK
Could happen. Or even worse.. the dreaded flash hider.
ban clips man
4:42 must be one of those ghost guns the government is talking about.
Because it turns armored glowie bad guys into ghosts.
PPU? You picked the weakest loaded ammo for this test , with PPU I chrono only 1300 fps in my tests. S&b gets me over 1600fps. Retest with hotter ammo and chrono!
Last week I got 1557 on my chrono. I think it depends on which lot you purchased your box of ammo from...
+Yurishch I just clock a box of PPU tok at 1430fps averaged over 10 shots through my m57 . Lot to lot speed consistency does seems iffy with PPU Tokarev as I know the last box I shot clocked around 1300fps and you said you tested over 1500fps with your last box of PPU. The S&B tok load always seems to be 1600fps+, ...Regardless he did not chrono this ammo when shooting it so we don't really know how to gauge his test on this particular body armor.
That was my suspicion they might make it slower on purpose so it doesn't pierce armour when they put it on civilian market. I know it has been thoroughly tested during Yugoslav wars ( every oaf had it :D ), so everyone tried if it works.
I have PPU .357 ammo that is loaded hotter than the devil's asshole.
He clearly covered this in the video. Why post it?
Good information and surprising result, at least to me it was.
I am in Canada, and as such these TT33 pistols are relatively easy to find and buy at under $200.00,.I have one in the 7.62x25 ammo and another Norinco model in 9mm. They are indeed nice pistols to shoot with.
Thanks for this video.
Steel cored Polish ammo easily punches through 2a and 3a armor.
It's not "Privi Partizan", it's Prvi Partizan". It translates as "First Partisan". PPU stands for Prvi Partizan Uzice. Uzice is city in Serbia where factory is located. Just sharing information.
All the best from Serbia!
Good stuff, thanks !
Первый партизан - cool name for gun mate
One of the main reasons I like watching these videos is that you usually learn something new.
In Canada we get crates of surplus 7.62x25 steel case, steel jacket and steel core ammo. Just enough lead between the steel jacket and core to fill in the difference in diameter of the two, probably to allow the steel case to take the rifling without increasing pressures.
Will Mathieson which gun are you using to shoot this ammo?
@@xrickix2008 SKS, Type 81 and CZ858 are popular rifles
Anon Guy I thought cz858 shoots the 7.62x39
Steel core is base of piercing.
I own 2 CZ52's, and have had range time with the TT's, if I had the bucks right now I would be collecting these. Very well made and a pleasure to shoot.
Thanks for the video MAC. You've given me renewed interest in my Tokarev. Just wish I had a PPSH from the Vegas machine gun video
I wish I had the PPSh too! :)
Its like a list of dream guns I wish I could have but cant, PPSH, MG42, SVD and SVT-40 thought I might find an SVT for sale. Can you imagine a modernized MG42?! Well, a man can have dreams.
BigChiefWiggles V The germans have a modernized MG42, known the the MG3, pretty much the same thing, but in 7.62X51 NATO instead of 8MM mauser, plus it has a rail ontop for optics, that's pretty much it.
Good hit on the steel jacketed/cased ammo. The indoor range I go to actually burned down 2 summers ago due to this. The owners were well aware that the ammo could spark and cause a fire and they always checked ammo with a magnet before they let the shooter out into the range. I assume a patron brought in some steel jacketed/cased ammo making the employee aware, and sparked a large fire in the bays.
But we can't have AP ammo. Won't somebody please think of the armored police children?!
hand loads you can 1800 fps out of a 7.62x25mm factory ammo is usually about 1600 fps .
Maybe because milsurp quality control of China and Russia varies, and what runs in your gun will explode in others.
For the next test it would be nice to fire some military 7,62x25, and chrono it as it hits the armor. Thanks for the video!
I have a CZ-52 I inherited from my Father In law, and I have about 10,000 rounds of the Hot Chinese milsurp ammo for it, that he bought from gunshow back in the 90's. Man is it fun to shoot. Makes a big old flash and get everyone on the range to lean back to see what you are shooting.
If you ever want to re-run this test with surplus ammo "hotter ammo", let me know as I'm sitting on some.
Mike S could you tell me what kind of surplus ammo can penetrate body armor?
I also would like to know
Asking for a friend
I had no idea about unburned gun powder at indoor ranges. Thanks for the info. Great video.
7:30 nice joint you got there MAC
One thing that makes me glad I live in Canada: you can import pretty much anything you want and you don't have to modify it, just has to be legal here. And we can get non-restricted rifles and shotguns delivered to our door.
This didn't age well
PPU might just be one of the worst ammo choices for a test like this. A few years back I offered to send you some Surplus Ammo to test to which I I don't believe I received a response but I have since started making my own tested videos so feel free to check them out if you're interested. I've got a few 7.62X25 test up now and will have a bunch more shortly.
My tokerov does the same thing some times as well. it's actually a tactical reload so you can slap it and the slide advances chambering a round so you can return fire faster
Been said elsewhere here, but just for some more detail: Just saw another vid where Sellier and Bellot commercial 7.62x25 and Bulgie surplus both chrono'ed at @1500+ fps; PPU chrono'ed at just 1390-1400. I expect any of the other ammo would have penetrated easily.
7:50 made me crack a smile because it was so hilariously different from the daily “powder burns” we do in Marine Artillery after shooting all night. You HAVE to watch an artillery powder burn. 😂👍🏻
Fun fact: the traditional way to light powder is to toss a lit match on it. 👍🏻
4:42 pair that gun with Gary the Glock! Taras the Tokarev! 😂💦
Whatza match?
Was it 2A or 3A? It says 3 in the title, but I thought I heard you say 2A a few times :(
3A
Ok
I was going to ask the same thing, he said 2a right about every time.
Cannot be 3A. TT-33 Tokarev does not penetrate 3A armor...
Thank you, E. White from S White.
Very cool video. I was surprised with the results on the body armor. Very good information on using correct ammo at an indoor range.
This gun is a wet dream. I feel very lucky to own one.
I've read in Polish gun magazine some story, that during presentation of body armor's from "midterrain sea country" some policeman decide to do a prank, and he shoot from TT pistol through the II, IIIa and III class armor stack up one on another :). He did it only because he use a 7,62x25 round from Czechoslovakia design for use in submachine gun's with 16,5 mm long steel core projectile :). The face of merchandiser was priceless :D.
The article was about TT pistol in general, but the writer made some digression.
Cool looking pistol!
Thats a tt33. Tokarev handgun
Incorrect this is a m57 not tt
@@serbia991 1:43 its clearly a tt33. Look at it ffs. Notice how the grip isnt longer and the slide has the old style of markings. Its a polish tt33 he even says it. The grip would be longer to accommodate the extra round and has different slide markings. Please do research b4 you try to correct people.
@@serbia991 omg not to mention the m57 is made by zastava. A serbian brand. This is polish. Please research next time.
@@doc1439 the m57 is my daily carry buddy. But you are correct and I am wrong in the particular situation
Note that the 7.62x25 cartridge was actually produced in 2 variants (at least in Czechoslovakia), which only differed in the propellant loading (not in dimensions). The current production (like the PPU used here) is the standard, lower pistol loading; but there was also a notably hotter one, used in SMGs-and it still sometimes surfaces on the surplus market. While it’s certainly not recommended to use it in a pistol, some people did (and apparently had enough fingers left to report about it online). I suppose that the TT-33 pistol construction is able to handle it (it’s a tank, I’ve got one, I know), but I wouldn’t recommend trying it in our vz. 52 pistol.
Dude, I always wondered why they didn't allow Wolf at my range. Thanks for the heads up. The guy at the range thinks that it's steel core ammo but he's obviously wrong on that too.
+Nice Guy (Mr. Nice Guy)
Well, a lot of the older Russian ammo had soft steel inside.
It's pretty meh.
The newer stuff has something called "Tool steel" whatever that is.
+Tevo77777 just a small info, tool steel is basically cheap steel, used to train engineers, nothing special...basically cheap soft steel.
PS. you can tool it pretty easily because it seems really soft and thats why schools use it.
*****
you sure ?
maybe i thought about machine steel.
I have a CZ-52 in 7.62x25. I also had a bit of old surplus ammo with sintered iron projectiles. That ammo was extremely hot, and easily went through 3/16” mild steel.
When I ordered my M57 last week Classic Firearms had surplus ammo in stick so I ordered some of that too. Would be really cool to revisit this with some surplus ammo if you have the chance.
Great explanation & demo at the end about the unburnt powder and shooting steel jacketed ammo indoors.
4:42 "Ghost gun" confirmed
Very well put together and thanks for the bit of advice/ knowledge about steel cased ammo. Though the only thing you messed up on was saying the body armor was threat level 2. Just minor mistakes, but we all make them.
The spirit of the russian soldier is with the pistol "Slide closes" lol
Thank you, you opened my eyes, I felt so safe using my III-A body armor at work, now I'm going nuncking futs trying to find a lightweight alternative which I can wear for an entire work shift.
Put 2 armours on you
I bet he shouldered that ar off camera hahaha
I'm 60 and because of this experiment I witnessed something that I've NEVER seen before. WOWSERS 😃
4:42 😅
I have 3 of them and the same thing happens to me,
And I think the reason is because the slide release are worn-out
Remember it took range trash powder, to blow up a 91/30 Mosin, was the worst Eric and Barry could throw at it.
I'm seriously considering a Tokarev, Classic's price at 199 with a Glock style trigger safety is an interesting combination of old world craftsmanship and new world tech.
Your video really intrigues me as far as the caliber.
Correction: Tokarev pistol was an officer’s sidearm of Soviet Union military forces during WW2. It was replaced by Makarov’s pistol starting in 1952, so, no, it was not the “main pistol” of Soviet forces of the Cold War era, the Makarov pistol was.
I like seeing the Sig brace. I also like how the Velcro was tight around the arm sleeve before and after you shot it. lol
Very clear. Thanks.
Awesome lesson on the steel jackets ammo at the end.
the first video on youtube where the guy is speaking the fuking name of the gun correctly it is a tokarev not tokarov
Thanks for the bit about fire danger. Remember "Safety is number one priority."
you posted that this is 3a, but you said it is 2a armor. which is it?
M.A.C. can't count.
7.62x25 defeats level 2 and 2a, but not 3a.
@@sombrnegr1386 That is not true, it is 3A, also Paul Harrell disproves the myth 7,62x25 can not penetrate 3A, because it can pretty easily given the correct choice of ammunition like S/B.
Its a very nice round, almost sad that its not common, I really wish there was a modern pistol in this caliber. I think the problem is people think its not that good because its an old round, but they forget this one was designed around WW1 time period and ammo back then was vicious.
Try it with .22 TCM :)
I suggested that to The Wound Channel! Let's hope he does.
I've got the gun and ammo but no body armor or else I'd make one myself :)
South Western New York State
Yeah NC is a bit of a trip. I'm gonna look around for some level II, might be able to scrounge some up.
+The Wound Channel where at in NC are you? I live in North Carolina :D
lol while you're checking the wound channel in the gel, "get in there nice and deep like" haha. Great video sir!
You better not have shouldered that AR pistol mister lol.
That was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw his pistol had one of those braces on it. :)
why if a pistol can be shouldered what law is that breaking? The sig brace atf letter says their is no right way to hold a pistol.
MadSativa The BATF changed its mind and invalidated all previous letters. It's not illegal to shoulder the brace.
Military Arms Channel wow when did this happen a few weeks ago I saw the letter saying using this brace to go around the SBR was not allowed however they did not say anything about not shouldering with the brace.
Fuck the ATF.
I said, "Well thats no fun" at the same time you did. Got a good chuckle out of that.
In the video you keep saying 2A but the title of the video says 3A... Which is it?
grinc333 It's IIIA. He annotated it to correct it.
IIA is soft armor, just keep in mind plates aren't hard like this until III or IIIA
nutnfan1 Mac's armor tested is IIIA as seen in the video on the label. Traditionally IIIA is the highest offered soft panels, and only recently IIIA hard plates have come into play.
Actually nutnfan1, the vast majority of IIIA armor is also soft. IIIA hard plates are an f'ing joke that disappeared from the commercial market once soft IIIA armor became readily available (over a decade ago). That hard IIIA plate was probably donated for this kind of use because it is nearly impossible to sell due to no one wanting to use hard plates and only get IIIA level protection - there is a world of difference between IIIA and III.
Thanks for an intelligent answer Tim as to why not shoot steel-cased.
Might want to stock up while body armor is still legal. The anti gunners have a bill there trying to pass to make civilian body armor illegal. Two dems from Illinois and one from Florida.
@4:41 ... And some say that pieces of Fedor Tokarev's spirit haunt these pistols to this day...
Wont be buying that Body Armor.
+Jamal Hunt every body armor is the same,just some of them has plates,that plate protects vital organs only.people cant be robocops and this caliber is great!
+Jamal Hunt the armor was not the issue, that cartridge and pistol are a nightmare combination. that particular pistol is also able to fire SMG ammunition (the rumors are true, check youtube about it). this pistol is a real hotrod and must be a nightmare for anyone who has to go up against it. the rounds go through everything whether you want them to or not.
@@itsumonihon *laughs in 50 A&E*
Dear Friend, this pistol is NOT a Cold War iron... model is designated M33 (issue year) and developed even earlier... the ammo was cloned from the fastest one exhisting back then, 7,63 Mauser and competed with it without equalling the performance. All in all that pistol is a reliable handgun still produced by Zastava in Serbia as M57 also in 9Para. When the Soviets imposed the caliber to all countries of the Warsaw Pact, the Czechs accepted it with a call out for the side-arm itself, and they issued the Vzor 52 pistol, same caliber, but built around a more loaded ammo: during the fire tests the super-loaded Czech ammo reached 590metres per second muzzle velocity, then reduced to 510 m/s for safe operations, while the Tokarev remained slightly under 400 m/s. This combination of a small caliber in diameter blasted out of the barrel at those speeds is the deadly match for armor penetration.... Meanwhile, the Hungarians issued the Tokagypt, another version of the Tokarev, made for a gov't supply to Egyptian forces, that too, was a stronger version of the Tokarev ,made in 9mm Para; the Vz52 held its velocity record anyway, but the Tokagypt came quite close.... boys it's European firearms history.. !
Sig brace on a pistol? No wonder the actual shooting of the weapon wasn't shown on camera.
Boo ATF boo!
With a little modernization, the tokarev would have made for a good PDW cartridge, right?
Tim, I have some 1953 manufacture 7.62x25 milsurp ammo that I would happily donate to the cause. Hit me up if you are interested.
Shoot me an email at tim@coppercustom.com and let's talk price. :)
Done
I also bought a little of what I believe to be 1955 either Romanian or Bulgarian flavor about 6 months ago when I got my old tok. Wasn't hard to find and wasn't priced to bad (compared to modern ammo not old dirt cheap pricing) just wish I would have got more....
I would be willing to send a few rounds of it and some new steel cased Romanian ammo plus some JHP for a gel test as a bonus.
Military Arms Channel What ever happened with this? New video with new ammo coming?
I may have ppsted already. I watch so many videos its hard to keep track. I picked up a Yugo surplus in fair condition for $179. I had my gunsmith go through it, and clean, an polish every internal. Install a wolff spring kit, had it cericoated, and added some custom black walnut grips. I would carry it daily. If you would carryy a 1911 you would have no problem carrying it daily. These are accurate, potent pistols
Итак. начнем.
ТТ-хороший пистолет, но для середины прошлого века. Малый магазин, нераспространенный патрон, неудобная рукоятка сводит на "нет" всю легендарность.
теперь по поводу пробития. Автор видио , ты определись по какому классу защиты стреляешь! В названии стоит 3а, а ты говоришь 2а. Я не силен в английском и то уловил. кстати. если ты ставил своей задачей обосрать "спартан армор систем" то ты почти этого добился. Скажи, тяжело показать таблицу бронеплиты крупным планом? Что бы народ реально увидел по чему ты стреляешь? Я увеличивал на максимум, но не смог разглядеть. Где то в этом видео вранье.
ТТ НЕ ПРОБИВАЕТ 3 КЛАСС ЗАЩИТЫ!!!! а вот второй шьет как нехер делать.
Именно так!
Ya budu im perevodit'.
And so we start.
The TT is a good pistol, but up to the middle of the last century. Small magazine, non-deforming bullet, uncomfortable grip for all its legend.
Now onto the point of my comment. MAC, you need to ensure you know what kind of protective class you're shooting at! It says 3A, but you're saying 2A. I don't speak English well, but I caught that. Additionally, if you were trying to pimp for Spartan Armor Systems, you almost got it right. Say, is it that hard to show the armor plate up close? What would real people say you're shooting at? I watched best I could and I couldn't spot it. There're lies somehwere in this video.
THE TT DOES NOT BREAK CLASS 3 PROTECTION! But then the second shot somehow does.
The last part was about TT being able to shoot throuw class II armor, not the 2nd shot though
Few corrections for the "translation". Small mag, uncommon round makes this a non-legend. (NOT non-deforming bullet and for all its legend). Also in the middle: Additionally, if you are trying to shit on spartan armour system, then you almost made it happen. (NOT if you were trying to pimp for SAS) Also, NOT "what would real people say you're shooting at" but "so that people actually/for real see what you're shooting at". Also, NOT "but then the second shot somehow does." but "it does however sow through the type 2 body armour without effort".
Mortablunt, don't ever become a medical translator, you'll murder someone with your almost translation.
Классы защиты разные в США и у нас. Вопрос к саблюдению стандарта остаётся открыт. ТТ неудобный пистолет и у него малый магазин, но его нельзя назвать плохим. Дырки он делает не хуже тогоже глока в 9мм
4:10 You said you don't like knives at the shot show . Glad you have come around .
Not going to lie, I watched a lvl3a plate from second chance stop everything up to a .500s&w but my tokarev blew through like it wasn't even there. Never going to carry anything else, plus with hollow points it's devastating. Great video
Thanks for telling about the steel ammunition. That was nice to know.
Very interesting educational tidbit about residual powder lining gun range floors. Who knew? Makes sense , though, that there's always a quanta of unburnt powder being ejected from firearm cartridges (no doubt a factor of primer ignition temps at least in part).
Do you remember before the import ban there would be chinese spitzer pointed 7,62x25 everywhere- that ammo was a monster. I still have a few boxes and it chronoes between 1790-1930 fps. It might be lighter than average 85 grain ball, however. Point, is, I was NEVER ABLE TO RECOVER A PROJECTILE, everything I shot it at it would zip right through, leaving yawing horrible wounds in wetpack more like a rifle cartridge. Thanks for doing the video, we need some attention on this great cartridge
We put the floor often in fire with black powder sparks.
It is a nice site, but nothing dangerous if you do it often enough.
I think that lead is the most dangerous of that floor dust.
Very nice demo on the body armor and the gun powder. Thank you all of the great information.
I'm thinking of getting one of those, never shot that round before and that's a nice classic pistol!
very interresting video. I live in Canada and we don't have to aldulterate our TT-33's. I also enjoyed the flamable residue demo. That was very illuminating.
As a civilian, I would not rely on the body armor for protection at all, unless one builds a full body shield with it. It gives a false sense of security, while many vital parts of the body (crouch, lower abdomen, body sides, head and neck) are fully exposed and vulnerable.
A range here in Poland caught fire by the means described in this video. They also had open containers of ammo so you can imagine the carnage inside. Sadly one guy died but could easily have been more.
Great demo vid, sir. I've got the ZASTAVA M57 & the PPS-43. Both are great firearms. Some of the surplus ammo is a little hotter than what you used. The ammo also puts out a nice fire ball. I'll always remember my nephew's face, right after he turned loose with that 35 rnd. mag. of the PPS-43.
excellent insight and demo on the flammability issues.
I like how you went out of the frame to shoot the AR pistol. You didn't want anyone to see you shoulder that sig brace. Lol.
Kind of like I went out of frame to shoot the Tokarev.
Well we know you didnt shoulder the tokarev. But the question is, did you shoulder the sig brace? Be honest
My indoor range allows steel rounds, but I don't use them. Very good video.
Got to love it when a 1947 produced gun outperforms a 5.7 x28
here in Canada surplus ammo is still pretty easy to find and quite cheap eg. 7.62 x25 $550.00 for a crate of 2550 rounds
I've got 2 cases of surplus. I'd be happy to video opening the can and sending you some.
4:41 yes, I definitely found that interesting.
Burnsville Pisol Range in Minnesota burned down last year after steel jacketed ammo ignited the place. All the indoor ranges in Minnesota now ban the stuff.
Nice video. Thanks in particular about sharing and demoing why steeled case ammo should not be used in indoor ranges! Great way to get the facts out!
Love your videos! The last little bit was very informative; keep up the good work!
Exceeding bore capacity is the reason for the unburned powder. Something to be aware of loading for rifle chamberings, but not much for it with handguns..
youre living the dream man, keep it up.
Most people probably don't realize this, but not just steel cased ammo comes with steel jackets. Plenty of cheaper brass cased ammo, like Blazer brass, comes that way too.
That deserttech hat.... Nice!
Great test! To be fair the AR-15 pistols aren't concealable like any standard pistol.
Of course criminals would be able to get AP ammo illicitly anyway so it really makes no difference...However...There is the case of the Heizner Defense Pocket AR...Now that thing...that would be interesting to test...Actually it wouldn't since it will have a ton of powder that wouldn't burn! But you might set the target on fire! haha!
love my tt33 for my CCW.. thin and gets the job done...
Out of a longer barrel (like a PPS-43) it might have enough extra speed to make it through. You can buy a semi automatic handgun version of that with the stock welded in place.