Don’t be scared to share your intel on this ranking! I’m open to corrections :D. Update: -Chaewon is under Jeongyeon -Yoohyeon under Jeongyeon. -SeolA under nayeon -Mina and Jennie are now high underdeveloped (-Solar is under Yuju) = Debate
Prime Yuju sure but present Yuju does not edge Solar. Yuju's the more well rounded singer but her mix is underwhelming compared to most AA level vocalists. You were right the first time, Solar is top 2 in your ranking.
For me (an unprofessional) I would place Jisoo (BLACKPINK) in the Underdeveloped (F+) category. She has some moments of good vocal delivery, good Falsetto and somewhat good Lower Register. I also believe that Jisoo is higher than Jennie (no beef). (if anyone has a different take on my opinion please be mature and just because Jisoo is popular doesn't mean I want her to be placed higher when it's clear that she's (atleast for me) an underdeveloped vocalist)
now I know Eunha isn't the strongest vocalist out there and nowhere near as good as some Buddys make her out to be, but ain't no way she's that low and below some of these people be so for real 💀
@@Aaron-wm4fy IKRRR Like twice's vocal line is insanely underrated. Even the vocal coach aint no other fan made a video on overrated vocalists and literally there was so sign of rose or jisoo but JIHYO WAS THERE OUT OF ALL PEOPLE. IVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE PRAISING JIHYO THE WAY PPL PRAISE JISOO AND ROSE
yeah!!!! even thought their vocal technique isnt the best (as i just watched in this video lol) for me their voices are some of my favourite in Kpop, especially Siyeon's voice!
Her lows consistency literally ends at A3 look at Wendy's lows its F#3/G3 and she has a couple of supported F3 and you're implying high note is not important so all the notes above A4 is useless now and you dont need it to be a good vocalist even tho lets say you can support a G5 in mix and B5 in head voice?
Nice ranking as usual! It is interesting to me that a lot of the main vocals are in A tier. I feel like the gap between 3rd and 4th gg vocals is sometimes exaggerated, especially with Lily and haewon being above everyone here except Wendy. Of course a lot of main vocals are W tier which is not ideal but there are still a noticeable amount of average tier and higher (even in bgs to some extent)
Imo probably one of the reason why 3rd gen seems a lot stronger than 4th gen is because some of the stronger vocalists of 4th gen are not that famous, like 12dal, Yechan, Jungwoo, and Swan. Most kpop fans probably only know NMIXX, Aespa, and probably Monday for the stronger vocalists of 4th gen so 4th gen in general appears kinda weaker.
are yoohyeon's bb4s consistent enough to be part of her support range? and i find it so funny when somnias are like 'don't bring down siyeon to praise yoohyeon' or 'wow a toxic solo fan' and the next thing they do is bringing down yoohyeon to praise siyeon lmao
@@Zayneb111_ you call voice cracking and instability criticizing but when someone says siyeon has unhealthy technique you call that hating or having no vocal knowledge
@@ilyoohk4844 if she has an unhealthy technique how is her voice still okay? Like why do yall care about technique they both sound so good so why would you care about the technique
@@ilyoohk4844 cuz A LOT of people be hating on siyeon saying that she shouldn't be a main vocalist when she deserves it even yoohyeon said that she learns a lot from her its not like a company doesnt know what to do
Things i wanna correct and update. - Jisoo would be F+ because she stays relaxed on G3-G4. Also her lows are really close to be supported. Same as tzuyu. - Same with Lisa blackpink she is F+ too. Interchangeable with Tzuyu. Cause Lisa supported G4,C#4,Bb3 these notes once. -Chaeyeong from twice is now -E vocalist because her support quality is getting worse. -Jennie and Mina are E tier vocalists. Jennie>Mina. Jennie shows G#4 mostly now. Also enough Bb3s to say its consistent. Mina shows G#4 too but not consistent as Jennie. -Jihyo should only be A3 support given in her support range cause she sound low larynx or muffled. -Rosé is D+ Vocalist cause she suppors A3/bb3~Bb4 consistently. Open and sounds full. Also she connects head voice and supports headvoice inconsistently.
woow a toxic single stan, If Yooheyon "carried" she will be given everyline and difficult parts just because someone "supports" a tone one genre of song doesn't mean it will translate to another genre of song rock,rnb,metal,folk,country,hip-hop, Opera are all different genres of music that requires different types of techniques to perform Yooheyon and other "high rank support" are only based on rnb and pop genre not on other genre and that exclude how ome will perform on a higher level of choreography
Lets not please yoohyeon tends o crack a lot and siyeon is more stable live and more versatile i hate how insomnias love to drag siyeon down like the company didn't give her the main vocalist postion for you to say this
@@Zayneb111_ Yeah its so strange that everytime these rankings will only took a specific parts of stage performances never actually took their actual live concert performance also Yooheyon never tackle the heavy instrumental part cause guess what? It doesn't have any effect on her style of singing a specific technique is required to hit a more difficult song especially in Dreamcathcher where genre of music changes in a heart-beat Yooheyon have a vocal technique that is favorable to these "online vocal experts" idea of vocal but in reality her style of singing which mostly cater towards RnB,pop more classical western centred style of singing just don't cut in and add that to the level of their choreography Yooheyon do crack alot more than Siyeon but it catered towards these peoples favour of genre which quite honestly is boring in my personal opinion
@@veen-a2092 yeah exactly like i saw like 5 of these videos sayin the same thing i don't understand it😭😭😭😭 im not a vocal expert or something but i find that siyeon has one of the most unique and versatile voices in kpop she is mostly a rock singer since dc has more of a rock influence but her voice in their bsides and covers??? And her stages in minx era like imagine being that stable live i personally enjoy her voice more than yoohyeon even tho i love yoohyeon's voice but i think that siyeon is much more versatile and stable
@@Zayneb111_ Also versatility wise in a song like Dreamcatcher tackle versatility is a must which Yooheyon lacks but thats the style she adopted for herself and the genre she persue as an artist I respect that but in overall vocal performance Siyeon is just dominant, her vocal range is actually better than a lot of these vocalist that these "vocal experts" favour they only put her down cause she don't sing in the "technique" they deemed is "superior" like imagine Siyeon singing in those style (which she can easily do as we all know) like it is going to be so boring musically, zero artistry,zero signature these "technique" will not be able to pierce a heavy instrumental and lets be honest all the high rank in this video the top10s I have never seen them do a level of choreography that Dreamcathcher does I will take them seriously when they perform a song choreography that is as intense as Dreamcathcher choreography and if we take that to consideration Yooheyon will be waaaay higher than what they rank her
Her Eb5s deffo improving and getting consistent lately, better approach and more open as well. Still needs more materials tho. Hope she can attend and get more exposure in singing gigs and festivals outside the group activities.
Wendy and Solar yesss! Solar is getting even better after Mata Hari (check out "5:52am" and "the girl I used to be" if haven't) and I would personally put Wheein after Yuju as 4 (or at least the same as 4 and 5) I hope companies could put more emphasis on vocals (and rap tbh) good vocalists are getting rarer and rarer Let's keep in mind that vocal range is not the only thing that matters when it comes to an enjoyable vocal performance/a great singer. There are also factors like how a singer conveys the emotion/message of a song to the listeners vocalists have different preferences in styles (and therefore more focused on certain ranges/techniques) AND we all have different preferences for voices so ranking can be and is going to be subjective dragging others down doesn't make your fav better!! treat this more as a suggestion for who to listen to if you want good vocals, instead of a competition Last but not least, *MAMAMOO IS COMING BACK ON OCTOBER 11TH!!!*
Emotion while singing isn’t something you need to analysis when evaluating a vocalist. It’s like a extra factor that makes there singing enjoyable but not something to take into consideration. And this isn’t there ranges it’s there range which they can support freely in. +Wheein gradual support in the area of C#5 has regressed and her openness has gradually weakened. -Vocals aren’t subjective since technique cannot be evaluated on one’s opinion . Btw this reply is no way attacking or offending you just clearing some stuff up! It seems like you enjoyed the video and I appreciate you showing your thoughts on it.
@@floraofficial7357 ya I meant factors like emotion also contribute to good performance, not just vocal range. Thanks for making it for clear. And I agree that vocal techniques are facts, but I think people’s ranking can be subjective, especially when the vocalists are about equally developed (not sure if this is the correct example: Beyoncé and Mariah Carey are both great vocalists, but people can rank them differently depending on the style they prefer) Btw just out of curiosity, is there a specific clip that shows Wheein’s support for C#5 has regressed?
@@gingerlqt she recently chose to be more stylistic in her technique. She used to be near Solar now she’s near Hwasa. This isn’t vocal damage she just chose to be more stylistic.
Many singing "experts" call Siyeon a low tier vocalist... But Siyeon is an excellent singer and vocalist, not super top tier right but very pleasant to listen and very consistent live.. She is a performer, she is a stylistic rock focused performer, and while she does do other genres pretty damn well, she is pretty good at rock... most of the critics use the very western centric concepts of music and vocals which is very narrow and does not allow too much stylistic variations.... Rock requires a completely different technique and placement for healthy projection... If you follow basic vocal techniques used by classical musicians, you'll end up destroying your chords... Siyeon is usually accused of being nasal, actually she isn't as nasal as people make her out to be.... Her nasality is more a product of her focus on rock and her tendency to sing higher up against her nasal cavity which is a common thing in rock...she does however strain at times and at others she misses notes, cause everyone does that sometimes... She is a vocal chameleon due to her ability to switch genres and styles easily and that is not a sign of bad technique... Actually many of these "critics" set Yoohyeon above Siyeon claiming she is more supported (as you did in your video)...and yes Yoohyeon is an excellent vocalist and has areas where she sounds better than Siyeon... Her technique is more focused on vocal runs and jazzy notes more suited to traditional pop music, more classic friendly (where Wendy, Solar & Wheein excel just to mention 3 top tier vocalists)... Siyeon voice is naturally darker and more nasal, but her texture is actually better suited for rock genres which means her singing is either considered too nasal or too throaty, something extremely discouraged in classical training... That is why Siyeon is DC main vocal and not Yoohyeon.... Yoohyeon's skill is more pop and jazz focused and so her runs are (imho) better than Siyeon's.... But nobody in DC and many other Kpop groups can switch genres and range as quickly and efficiently as Siyeon, the closest to a rock star singer in Kpop GGs ... Comparing Siyeon to top tier Pop vocalists like Wendy or Solar makes no sense...because their techniques, genre and speciality are different.. Wendy won't sound nearly as good as Siyeon does in rock not because she's bad, actually she is better than Siyeon technically, but she is also not a master in rock... I am a big fan of Wendy... but also a huge fan of rock music, so I see Siyeon as what she really is; a rock singer and a very good one... There is no overhype about Siyeon... but most Kpop fans are mainly fans of Pop music..no rock music... so they probably do not understand the difference between a pop vocalist and a rock singer.... Thx for your entertaining video...
eunha, dayoung, handong, jiu, sua, and siyeon would def be considered vocalists and out of the f tier. yubin would be higher than e considering she's one of the more strong vocalists
Also, Siyeon's vocals is more suitable for the rock technique and style. Well, Dreamcatcher has rock as their main sound, that's why she is the main vocalist. Judging her vocals only with "pop technique" and calling her weak is unfair, especially considering the group she is in. I heard from some rock especialists that Siyeon is an incredible and strong vocalist for a rock band/group. But she is improving a lot her "pop technique"
@@thaisyamamoto6032 this video isn't judging them on their "pop technique", it's mainly just supported range that this video is based off. Siyeon is a good "singer" for rock songs but it doesn't mean she's a good "vocalist" if you get what I mean
I think I would put Umji and SinB higher or in different tiers. Hearing them now with recent songs, covers, and hearing them live is fully different then before. They have more support when reaching low and high notes without straining. Also have seen Umji’s duets with Lee Mujin (When It Snows or Dive Into You)
@@shinyemi it's C5 then. C#4 is a whole octave lower which I don't think she's regressed that much. (I could be wrong I'm in no way trained in vocals I just know minimal music theory)
Dreamcatcher discography is more focused on rock, not Pop... rankings like this are based on the idea all idols are only Pop vocalists not Rock Singers or Rappers... that is why Siyeon being DC main vocal is lower than Yoohyeon, also many people still believe Kpop is a genre (a variation of Pop Music), but it is really an industry... if you listen DC song No more, Black Pink song Kill this Love or Red Velvet song Feel my rhythm, (my favorite song of each of these groups) it is pretty obvious you are listening 3 different genres... Rank these idols in their vocal abilities/techniques/support when no all of them sing Pop, makes no sense..
Wasn’t Nayeon above Seola? Hmm last time I checked sootzubae ranked nayeon above her. 🤔 Also I’ve noticed how you always put Nayeon lower than those the specialists say it’s better. Sootzubae put nayeon above both Giselle and jinni yesterday. And said that before dice nayeon was still above kyujin and Sullyoon. But I recall your video that you put nayeon under all of them. Strange…
Well I don’t get it either. Like putting one or two above nayeon it’s ok cause they are like pretty much same (interchangeable). But putting all of them above nayeon now seola as well. And also Jeongyeon I think she is above yoonhyeon last time I checked in Sootzubae ranking
@@gga.haruse yes she did. Only some groups High Weak and Weak tier. It’s in the community of her channel in a comment 3 days ago over 64 replies you can see. She did kind of a mix ranking with 3rd and 4rd vocalist
@@joynayeon7201 not much people are above nayeon in the W-A tier. Chaewon might be under or near nayeon and SeolA probably interchangeable, but some argued she could sound average at times.
I think yuju and wendy are on the same level maybe. But sure youre always welcome to have your own opinions. Personally speaking i would put jihyo right under seulgi since both of them are quite similar in skill.
Jihyo is a good vocalist, a great dancer and an amazing performer, she is so impressive 💜 I honestly wonder how good Jihyo could have been if she was trained to be a main vocalist
Great list! Only adjustments I would make: Move Jeongyeon to C Move Nayeon to C+ Move Jihyo to B- All 3 of these are really undervalued in this list, but especially God Jihyo. She is a really really great vocalist.
@@dino.nuggies2382 I mean the tier level not exact the same. Yeah I surprised too since wheein who usually known to use the healthiest technique among the girls. Maybe because solar recently doing musical too and her stamina is insane😭
sejeong who is now better than yuju yuju regress and get technical issues but yuju prime is indeed better than sejeong but for now sejeong > yuju and seola>chaewon prime=yoohyeon>jeongyeon
Sejeong still lower than yuju in terms of technique and range. Even yuju is regressed a bit, the only singers could pass her is solar or wheein in their peak.
@@floraofficial7357 I think now she is consistent with her A3 and Bb4 And Jennie's supported range is (A3)-Bb3-G4/G#4(A4) And she is consistent upto B3-F#4 I think Jennie is E+ and Rosie is mid to high D+
Can you do a big ranking with those 3rd gen and the 4th gen groups that you put on you 4th gen gg ranking please ! I would like also see ranking of boy of 3rd and 4th gen ! And Soloists ! Also i think it's better if you put the group beside each member name because not everyone are familliar with all those idols
Mina and Jennie would be in Underdevelop, they have no any Weak worthy, Mina is too soft even on G4s and Jennie has issues with pulling too much chest voice, Yerin in the low Weak(same as chaeyoung)
Please guys keep in mind these ranks don’t mean someone is a bad singer or performer. I recognize for instance that Solar is an amazing vocalist but I personally am not that much of a fan, I prefer Dreamcatcher Siyeon’s type of voice as it sounds more fitted for rock sounds. Technique isn’t the only deciding point
@@edu.8552 oh thanks for your take on this words. I admit i don’t have the same proximity to the meaning of english words as it is my second language, but it’s interesting to read about this !
@@edu.8552 That is correct. A singer is someone who is able to use their voice to convey emotion and connect to an audience. A vocalist is someone who is able to use their voice, as an instrument, to show off the music of a song.
@@floraofficial7357 I meant to people in general not to you because whenever there is a vocal ranking people will tend to put down other vocalist and call the person who made this wonderful video a hater. This is to all viewers. This Ranking is wonderful and I love the hard work you did to make it. As a trained vocalist myself I love looking at list like these.
@@floraofficial7357 I really did. I can tell you have a passion for these videos and I hope you keep making more. Vocals got me into kpop and I am glad there are people like you to makes these.
@@floraofficial7357 hello I'm genuinely curious I'm not trying to start a fight. I hope you can answer me kindly. I was wondering, if Siyeon was actually that weak, why has she always sound so solid and good most of the time? I've heard Lia and Miyeon sing and I can tell that they lack so much but with Siyeon, it's actually weirded me out with all these rankings but I've always find Siyeon's singing sound good to ears. Her participation in a vocal contest before also show off her good vocal and some of her covers also showcased her vocal strengths. How does her lack of support weight on her in this matter? Will she eventually lose her voice to sing in the future?
That’s right I feel bad for all of them especially Jisoo and Lisa both of them can sing better. It not they isn’t good singer but they can be more better
I think ppl should listen to more Bsides and covers from Dreamcatcher like Jazz Bar, DayBreak, Starlight, Always, Locked Inside a Door, Shadow Slow Version... you can see more techniques
@@Zayneb111_which isn’t really a good thing. JiU sounds nasal and stylistic, Siyeon is straining and her pushing her notes out, Yoohyeon is the only one with proper technique to execute proper support.
@@floraofficial7357 You know that rock (Dreamcatcher's main sound) has a different technique, right? Yoohyeon is a better pop vocalist, while Siyeon is a better rock vocalist. Siyeon's ranking is fair and unfair at the same time, because she is maybe the only one among them that use a rock vocal technique (according some especialists she has a rock technique). Considering both techniques are different, is kinda difficult to judge her vocals. Because judging ONLY based on pop technique is unfair for her. At least, she is improving more and more with her pop technique as well Well, it's obvious that Yoohyeon is stronger in pop technique in Dreamcatcher and could be their main vocalist IF the group didn't have the rock as their main sound. She could be the second main vocalist, in my opinion.
@@thaisyamamoto6032 rock is based around classical singing. You need some decent singing technique In order to execute the rock sound those artist are going for. Either that or your voice can go bye bye.
Seems like everyone is jumping on the bandwagon underappreciating siyeon since that one video a guy posted about her being a "weak" vocalist. How does a main vocalist that covered variety of genres ranked so much lower than a lot of sub vocalists?
It was not resonant actually 😅 It was still pushed but it was a nice belts. However she still can't be in low AA-P considering how her 5thOctave is not strong as it was in her prime days. She still need to produce openess CONSISTENTLY around A4 ~ C#5 at least close to her prime.
Shannon,Ailee,Sohyang,Vocal Trinity, Beyonce and whatever says hi Wendy is gonna be a weak vocalist if you put her aside the vocal Trinity aside Her consistent supported range is F#3/G3-C#5/D5-A5 The Trinity: Whitney: G3/G#3-F5/F#5-C#6 Celine: Eb3/E3-E5-C#6 Mariah: F3/F#3-F5-Bb5
Looking back on this, I'd move Wheein's support down to B4/C5. Her approach has gotten exceedingly light and pushed around C#5, it's not a part of her supported range anymore. She's been having issues around B4/C5 lately but I'd say she is still above Hwasa but not by much.
Yoohyeon on top of siyeon? I'm laughing out loud, vocal coaches who are REALLY PREFESIONAL, have said that siyeon is the best and strongest dreamcatcher vocalist and that he surpasses yoohyeon in vocal range, technique and support, and even the vocal coach finds it stupid to believe that siyeon has a bad technique being that he has the best technique in dreamcatchers... But well I can see the FAVORITISM in this video. Sorry for my english.
Ikr? Even in mixnine the vocal coach said that they should learn from her like how are you going to put siyeon that much lower that yoohyeon and lower than chaeyoung and jennie ?😭
No you're just incorrect. Yoohyeon ranks higher because she has a supported range (and quitr a good one), and Siyeon does NOT. Therefore Yoohyeon has better technique and supported range. So she's the best vocalist in Dreamcatcher.
@@Zayneb111_ So you think a vocal coach on Mixnine saying Siyeon is good compared to a bunch of nugu trainees who can barely sing is some compliment? These survival programmes don't care about technique, just that a singer can do some belt for them to loop 5 x with different reactions every performance lol
I feel like yuju should be above solar as she's better and more consistent than solar with her low notes, upper belts, vocal dynamics, vocal agility, and ESPECIALLY upper register... Solar only beat her probably in mid-belts...
@@hinacharmbraceletera283 yesss... but I'm not only talking about support and resonance... It's just that there are a lot of aspects in vocal technique and skills that yuju surpasses solar... Solar may be more consistent and resonant in mid-belts, but yuju is better than her in all other aspects
i'm surprised to see dayoung below eunseo & yeoreum :o i thought she had improved her support by a lot but then again i don't know much about technique lols ':) could u explain? /gen
Dayoung is actually better than that, only fans know where to find the right clips where she showcases her technique, unfortunately based only on their title tracks you can’t tell her level as a non-fan
She has the weakest technique in all of BLACKPINK, you can enjoy her tone, but she strains all of her notes, at her peak, even moms was better than her
Source music push her hard to always do highnote in every highnote. She may be damage her vocal a bit, but thankfully it didnt permanently damage her vocal chord. She keeps recover and explore more low notes
My opinion: Siyeon at F+ and Eunha as unranked are total misses. Yeonjung at only 12 seems a little low. Seulgi and Hwasa seem a little high; these two always seem to get boosts due to their popularity. Dawon is always underrated, always doing the WJSN hard carries before Yeonjung joined.
I appreciate u have the time to make this type of vid. But let me just say this: each artist/idol or whatever u call them has its own unique way of interpreting a song. Vocals, whether its high, low, mid, or what ever range is an important part of a music piece, and each voice has to be at a right place for it to be good even if its just a lowkey whisper. For example, just try singing "How You Like That" in a high and powerful note right off the bat. Doesn't it feel awkward? If it was made to be sung like that then it might be good. And one more thing, idols sing when they're dancing so we can't say for sure who's the "best" vocalist. Yes I get the point that they have trained to synchronize their vocal and dancing but those are two seperate elements. They need to have a backing track for them to take a breath and prevent them from passing out due to over exerting both vocals and dancing. One more thing: THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS, NOT GODS. STOP TREATING THEM LIKE ONE. Have a good day😊.
tsk this is a joke, how is posible that vocalist that aren't able to sing live at all are "better" vocalist that the ones that can sing alive sounding almost studio version...
Don’t be scared to share your intel on this ranking! I’m open to corrections :D.
Update:
-Chaewon is under Jeongyeon
-Yoohyeon under Jeongyeon.
-SeolA under nayeon
-Mina and Jennie are now high underdeveloped
(-Solar is under Yuju) = Debate
Wowww thank you for listening and I really appreciate it...
@@johnroebetvista1992 I appreciate the help! I wish for this to be accurate and I love when people contribute to it.
Eunha is that bad?
Prime Yuju sure but present Yuju does not edge Solar. Yuju's the more well rounded singer but her mix is underwhelming compared to most AA level vocalists. You were right the first time, Solar is top 2 in your ranking.
For me (an unprofessional) I would place Jisoo (BLACKPINK) in the Underdeveloped (F+) category. She has some moments of good vocal delivery, good Falsetto and somewhat good Lower Register. I also believe that Jisoo is higher than Jennie (no beef).
(if anyone has a different take on my opinion please be mature and just because Jisoo is popular doesn't mean I want her to be placed higher when it's clear that she's (atleast for me) an underdeveloped vocalist)
We love how mamamoo's RAPPER is already at rank 23
Wendy in 1st place as she should 🔥🔥
she slays
Wendy & Solar = Vocal Queens!
Fact!
yuju too
vocal queen WENDY!!!
Yeah no
@@miszyy5768 are you one of the childish blinks
No mamamoo vocals queens
now I know Eunha isn't the strongest vocalist out there and nowhere near as good as some Buddys make her out to be, but ain't no way she's that low and below some of these people be so for real 💀
But she is an underdeveloped vocalist with zero support so she's probably at the same level as Sana from Twice!!
@@Abbieh07CB She is underdeveloped yes, but they put Sowon above her and Umji like that's so unserious and no she's not on the same level as Sana
Mamamoo Queens vocals ♥️😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I can't believe that Eunha is in F since many buddy are arguing with me back in 2016 that Eunha is better than Nayeon and Jihyo.
This
People always attacked Twice vocalists for nothing
@@Aaron-wm4fy IKRRR Like twice's vocal line is insanely underrated. Even the vocal coach aint no other fan made a video on overrated vocalists and literally there was so sign of rose or jisoo but JIHYO WAS THERE OUT OF ALL PEOPLE. IVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE PRAISING JIHYO THE WAY PPL PRAISE JISOO AND ROSE
All members of Dreamcatcher are real live vocal, rap and dance queens ! 👍
yeah!!!! even thought their vocal technique isnt the best (as i just watched in this video lol) for me their voices are some of my favourite in Kpop, especially Siyeon's voice!
@@glacierfrost idk if you already know but siyeon case its just she was misevaluated!! she is mid w-a, sua (maybe low-mid) and jiu is low w-a
@@rosemygirl i didn't know, thank you for telling me!!
This ranking is not acturate. The ladies of Dreamcatcher are PURE AWESOMENESS 💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💯.
@@rosemygirlI agree cuz like how is Lisa under evaluation but siyeon is in the non vocalist lmao
Mamoo three vocalist in top 10
One in rank 7 , 6 and 2
It's clearly vocal group
glad everyone agreed wendy is number 1 here cuz 🤭🫶
Sejeong is the proof that you don't need to do incredible high note to be a good vocalist !
And some that hit "incredible" high notes are even in F tier
i love her so much
Her lows consistency literally ends at A3 look at Wendy's lows its F#3/G3 and she has a couple of supported F3 and you're implying high note is not important so all the notes above A4 is useless now and you dont need it to be a good vocalist even tho lets say you can support a G5 in mix and B5 in head voice?
Good technique = Good vocalist
Vocal range is just a plus for a vocalist
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timestamps :)
F Non-Vocalists
0:29 Momo (Twice)
0:40 Yujin (CLC/Kep1er)
0:54 Yeri (Red Velvet)
1:04 Dayoung (WJSN)
1:16 Eunha (Gfriend/Viviz)
1:30 Eunseo (WJSN)
1:44 Yeoreum (WJSN)
1:54 Umji (Gfriend/Viviz)
2:08 Chaekyung (April)
2:19 Exy (WJSN)
2:35 Sowon (Gfriend)
2:49 Rachel (April)
2:56 Yena (April)
3:05 Handong (Dreamcatcher)
3:20 Eunbin (CLC)
3:29 Jisoo (Blackpink)
3:47 JiU (Dreamcatcher)
4:03 Bona (WJSN)
4:15 Luda (WJSN)
4:23 Gahyeon (Dreamcatcher)
4:40 Dami (Dreamcatcher)
4:57 Sana (Twice)
5:08 Dahyun (Twice)
5:19 Yeeun (CLC)
5:30 Arin (Oh My Girl)
F+ Underdeveloped
5:42 Irene (Red Velvet)
5:57 SuA (Dreamcatcher)
6:15 SinB (Gfriend/Viviz)
6:31 Tzuyu (Twice)
6:46 Siyeon (Dreamcatcher)
Under Evaluation
7:05 Lisa (Blackpink)
7:15 Seungyeon (CLC)
7:40 Elkie (CLC)
7:53 Sorn (CLC)
8:11 Mimi (Oh My Girl)
8:22 Jinsol (April)
8:38 Naeun (April)
8:52 Yerin (Gfriend)
9:04 Yubin (Oh My Girl)
E~E+ Weak
9:26 29. Jennie (Blackpink)
9:42 28. Chaeyoung (Twice)
10:02 27. Mina (Twice)
10:18 26. Joy (Red Velvet)
10:35 25. Yoojung (IOI/Weki Meki)
10:49 24. Soobin (WJSN)
D~D+ Weak to Average
11:09 23. Moonbyul (Mamamoo)
11:22 22. YooA (Oh My Girl)
11:34 21. Rosé (Blackpink)
11:50 20. Nayeon (Twice)
12:05 19. SeolA (WJSN)
12:19 18. Jeongyeon (Twice)
12:34 17. Chaewon (April)
12:49 16. Yoohyeon (Dreamcatcher)
C- ~ C Average
13:08 15. Seunghee (CLC)
13:25 14. Hyojung (Oh My Girl)
13:43 13. Suyeon (Weki Meki)
14:00 12. Yeonjung (IOI/WJSN)
14:17 11. Jihyo (Twice)
14:35 10. Dawon (WJSN)
14:51 9. Seulgi (Red Velvet)
C+ Average - Above Average
15:06 8. Seunghee (Oh My Girl)
15:19 7. Hwasa (Mamamoo)
15:35 6. Wheein (Mamamoo)
15:47 5. Kei (Lovelyz)
B- Above Average
15:59 4. Sejeong (IOI/Gugudan)
16:19 3. Yuju (Gfriend)
16:33 2. Solar (Mamamoo)
B+ Proficient
16:51 1. Wendy (Red Velvet)
(op can u pls add the group names next timee
thanks so much for this lol!!!! :)
Tzuyu is now E
Yuju in her prime is "B/AA-P"
PERIOD MAMAMOO VOCAL QUEENS AS THEY SHOULD
Nice ranking as usual! It is interesting to me that a lot of the main vocals are in A tier. I feel like the gap between 3rd and 4th gg vocals is sometimes exaggerated, especially with Lily and haewon being above everyone here except Wendy. Of course a lot of main vocals are W tier which is not ideal but there are still a noticeable amount of average tier and higher (even in bgs to some extent)
I’ve been noticing that to. It seems the 4th gen lacks the amount of average vocalist compared to the 3rd Gen.
@@floraofficial7357 indeed. Hoping 5th gen is stronger than 4th and 3rd
Imo probably one of the reason why 3rd gen seems a lot stronger than 4th gen is because some of the stronger vocalists of 4th gen are not that famous, like 12dal, Yechan, Jungwoo, and Swan. Most kpop fans probably only know NMIXX, Aespa, and probably Monday for the stronger vocalists of 4th gen so 4th gen in general appears kinda weaker.
@@KM-go7ys ur right
@@user-tw1zv8ki9q speaking of 5th gen I'm very interested in what it's gonna be like and who will be part of it! 😁
are yoohyeon's bb4s consistent enough to be part of her support range?
and i find it so funny when somnias are like 'don't bring down siyeon to praise yoohyeon' or 'wow a toxic solo fan' and the next thing they do is bringing down yoohyeon to praise siyeon lmao
Its called criticizing we are not hating on yoohyeon in fact she is my second fav vocalist in dc but cmon now she isnt better than siyeon
@@Zayneb111_ you call voice cracking and instability criticizing but when someone says siyeon has unhealthy technique you call that hating or having no vocal knowledge
@@ilyoohk4844 if she has an unhealthy technique how is her voice still okay? Like why do yall care about technique they both sound so good so why would you care about the technique
This video should be called " ranking 3rd technique " not vocal tbh
@@ilyoohk4844 cuz A LOT of people be hating on siyeon saying that she shouldn't be a main vocalist when she deserves it even yoohyeon said that she learns a lot from her its not like a company doesnt know what to do
Currently: Jisoo F+ Nayeon D+/C- Jeongyeon C-
+ Seulgi C+🥵
Things i wanna correct and update.
- Jisoo would be F+ because she stays relaxed on G3-G4. Also her lows are really close to be supported. Same as tzuyu.
- Same with Lisa blackpink she is F+ too. Interchangeable with Tzuyu. Cause Lisa supported G4,C#4,Bb3 these notes once.
-Chaeyeong from twice is now -E vocalist because her support quality is getting worse.
-Jennie and Mina are E tier vocalists. Jennie>Mina.
Jennie shows G#4 mostly now.
Also enough Bb3s to say its consistent.
Mina shows G#4 too but not consistent as Jennie.
-Jihyo should only be A3 support given in her support range cause she sound low larynx or muffled.
-Rosé is D+ Vocalist cause she suppors A3/bb3~Bb4 consistently.
Open and sounds full. Also she connects head voice and supports headvoice inconsistently.
3 Mamamoo in top 7 😘
Vocal queens. Only facts here.
Wow very impressed with Kei and Sejeong ♡
Can you tell me which group they are from?
@@Suenkdrama Kei: Lovelyz (and now EL7ZUP). Sejeong: IOI and Gugudan
Mamamoo comeback October 11 .....
Good video!
My ranking: (BLACKPINK, RED VELVET, TWICE, MAMAMOO, GFRIEND, DREAMCATCHER, OH MY GIRL)
1. Wendy (RED VELVET)
Supported Range: F#3/G3 ~ C#5/D5 ~ A5
Tier: Proficient
2. Solar (MAMAMOO)
Supported Range: G#3/A3 ~ C5/C#5
Tier: High Above Average
3. Yuju (GFRIEND)
Supported Range: G3/G#3 ~ C5/C#5 ~ G5
Tier: Mid Above Average
4. Wheein (MAMAMOO)
Supported Range: G#3 ~ C5
Tier: Mid Average to Above Average
5. Hwasa (MAMAMOO)
Supported Range: A3/Bb3 ~ B4/C5
Tier: Mid Average to Above Average
6. Seunghee (OH MY GIRL)
Supported Range: G#3/A3 ~ B4/C5 ~ Eb5/E5
Tier: Mid Average to Above Average
7. Seulgi (RED VELVET)
Supported Range: G3/G#3 ~ Bb4/B4
Tier: High Average
8. Jihyo (TWICE)
Supported Range: G#3/A3 ~ Bb4/B4
Tier: Mid Average
9. Hyojung (OH MY GIRL)
Supported Range: G#3/A3 ~ Bb4/B4
Tier: Low Average
10. Yoohyeon (DREAMCATCHER)
Supported Range: A3/Bb3 ~ A4/Bb4
Tier: Low Average
11. Jeongyeon (TWICE)
Supported Range: A3/Bb3 ~ A4/Bb4
Tier: High Weak to Average
12. Nayeon (TWICE)
Supported Range: G#3/A3 ~ A4/Bb4
Tier: Mid to High Weak to Average
13. Rose (BLACKPINK)
Supported Range: A3/Bb3 ~ A4
Tier: Mid Weak to Average
14. Moonbyul (MAMAMOO)
Supported Range: G3/G#3 ~ G4/G#4
Tier: Low Weak to Average
15. YooA (OH MY GIRL)
Supported Range: A3/Bb3 ~ G#4/A4
Tier: Low Weak to Average
16. Joy (RED VELVET)
Supported Range: Bb3/B3 ~ G4/G#4
Tier: Mid Weak
17. Chaeyoung (TWICE)
Supported Range: Bb3/B3 ~ G4/G#4
Tier: Low to Mid Weak
18. Yerim (GFRIEND)
Supported Range: ???
Tier: Low Weak
19. Mina (TWICE)
Supported Range: Inconsistent
Tier: Underdeveloped
20. Jennie (BLACKPINK)
Supported Range: Inconsistent
Tier: Underdeveloped
21. Siyeon (DREAMCATHCER)
Supported Range: Inconsistent
Tier: Underdeveloped
22. Sua (DREAMCATHCER)
Supported Range: Inconsistent
Tier: Underdeveloped
23. SinB (GFRIEND)
Supported Range: Inconsistent
Tier: Underdeveloped
I would have placed Yuju in top 2 and low AA-P
Yay Jennie twice 😂
@@hinacharmbraceletera283 so, make your own ranking
Cheayoung higher than siyeon?..
@@dontknowyou1880 lol imagine being offended over someone's opinion, stay mad
Yuju❤❤❤
Yoohyeon literally carried dreamcatcher vocal on her back and yuju too
woow a toxic single stan, If Yooheyon "carried" she will be given everyline and difficult parts just because someone "supports" a tone one genre of song doesn't mean it will translate to another genre of song rock,rnb,metal,folk,country,hip-hop, Opera are all different genres of music that requires different types of techniques to perform Yooheyon and other "high rank support" are only based on rnb and pop genre not on other genre and that exclude how ome will perform on a higher level of choreography
Lets not please yoohyeon tends o crack a lot and siyeon is more stable live and more versatile i hate how insomnias love to drag siyeon down like the company didn't give her the main vocalist postion for you to say this
@@Zayneb111_ Yeah its so strange that everytime these rankings will only took a specific parts of stage performances never actually took their actual live concert performance also Yooheyon never tackle the heavy instrumental part cause guess what? It doesn't have any effect on her style of singing a specific technique is required to hit a more difficult song especially in Dreamcathcher where genre of music changes in a heart-beat Yooheyon have a vocal technique that is favorable to these "online vocal experts" idea of vocal but in reality her style of singing which mostly cater towards RnB,pop more classical western centred style of singing just don't cut in and add that to the level of their choreography Yooheyon do crack alot more than Siyeon but it catered towards these peoples favour of genre which quite honestly is boring in my personal opinion
@@veen-a2092 yeah exactly like i saw like 5 of these videos sayin the same thing i don't understand it😭😭😭😭 im not a vocal expert or something but i find that siyeon has one of the most unique and versatile voices in kpop she is mostly a rock singer since dc has more of a rock influence but her voice in their bsides and covers??? And her stages in minx era like imagine being that stable live i personally enjoy her voice more than yoohyeon even tho i love yoohyeon's voice but i think that siyeon is much more versatile and stable
@@Zayneb111_ Also versatility wise in a song like Dreamcatcher tackle versatility is a must which Yooheyon lacks but thats the style she adopted for herself and the genre she persue as an artist I respect that but in overall vocal performance Siyeon is just dominant, her vocal range is actually better than a lot of these vocalist that these "vocal experts" favour they only put her down cause she don't sing in the "technique" they deemed is "superior" like imagine Siyeon singing in those style (which she can easily do as we all know) like it is going to be so boring musically, zero artistry,zero signature these "technique" will not be able to pierce a heavy instrumental and lets be honest all the high rank in this video the top10s I have never seen them do a level of choreography that Dreamcathcher does I will take them seriously when they perform a song choreography that is as intense as Dreamcathcher choreography and if we take that to consideration Yooheyon will be waaaay higher than what they rank her
Jisoo underdeveloped, she has nice moments between G3~A4 but still no sense of support
Wendy arguably has D5/Eb5 (it's debateable tho)
I thinks it's safe to say that she has a solid D5, atleast for me (unprofessional)
she have alright Eb5 but still low.
Her Eb5s deffo improving and getting consistent lately, better approach and more open as well. Still needs more materials tho. Hope she can attend and get more exposure in singing gigs and festivals outside the group activities.
Live performances is where it matters. Mamamoo and Dreamcatcher live, quite a spectacle 👍
Wendy and Solar yesss! Solar is getting even better after Mata Hari (check out "5:52am" and "the girl I used to be" if haven't)
and I would personally put Wheein after Yuju as 4 (or at least the same as 4 and 5)
I hope companies could put more emphasis on vocals (and rap tbh) good vocalists are getting rarer and rarer
Let's keep in mind that vocal range is not the only thing that matters when it comes to an enjoyable vocal performance/a great singer. There are also factors like how a singer conveys the emotion/message of a song to the listeners
vocalists have different preferences in styles (and therefore more focused on certain ranges/techniques) AND we all have different preferences for voices so ranking can be and is going to be subjective
dragging others down doesn't make your fav better!! treat this more as a suggestion for who to listen to if you want good vocals, instead of a competition
Last but not least, *MAMAMOO IS COMING BACK ON OCTOBER 11TH!!!*
Emotion while singing isn’t something you need to analysis when evaluating a vocalist. It’s like a extra factor that makes there singing enjoyable but not something to take into consideration. And this isn’t there ranges it’s there range which they can support freely in. +Wheein gradual support in the area of C#5 has regressed and her openness has gradually weakened.
-Vocals aren’t subjective since technique cannot be evaluated on one’s opinion . Btw this reply is no way attacking or offending you just clearing some stuff up! It seems like you enjoyed the video and I appreciate you showing your thoughts on it.
@@floraofficial7357 ya I meant factors like emotion also contribute to good performance, not just vocal range. Thanks for making it for clear.
And I agree that vocal techniques are facts, but I think people’s ranking can be subjective, especially when the vocalists are about equally developed (not sure if this is the correct example: Beyoncé and Mariah Carey are both great vocalists, but people can rank them differently depending on the style they prefer)
Btw just out of curiosity, is there a specific clip that shows Wheein’s support for C#5 has regressed?
@@gingerlqt she recently chose to be more stylistic in her technique. She used to be near Solar now she’s near Hwasa. This isn’t vocal damage she just chose to be more stylistic.
@@floraofficial7357 Thanks for the info!
happy and proud of moonbyul who debuted only as a rapper but wants to get better as a vocalist :)
Many singing "experts" call Siyeon a low tier vocalist... But Siyeon is an excellent singer and vocalist, not super top tier right but very pleasant to listen and very consistent live..
She is a performer, she is a stylistic rock focused performer, and while she does do other genres pretty damn well, she is pretty good at rock... most of the critics use the very western centric concepts of music and vocals which is very narrow and does not allow too much stylistic variations....
Rock requires a completely different technique and placement for healthy projection... If you follow basic vocal techniques used by classical musicians, you'll end up destroying your chords...
Siyeon is usually accused of being nasal, actually she isn't as nasal as people make her out to be.... Her nasality is more a product of her focus on rock and her tendency to sing higher up against her nasal cavity which is a common thing in rock...she does however strain at times and at others she misses notes, cause everyone does that sometimes... She is a vocal chameleon due to her ability to switch genres and styles easily and that is not a sign of bad technique...
Actually many of these "critics" set Yoohyeon above Siyeon claiming she is more supported (as you did in your video)...and yes Yoohyeon is an excellent vocalist and has areas where she sounds better than Siyeon... Her technique is more focused on vocal runs and jazzy notes more suited to traditional pop music, more classic friendly (where Wendy, Solar & Wheein excel just to mention 3 top tier vocalists)... Siyeon voice is naturally darker and more nasal, but her texture is actually better suited for rock genres which means her singing is either considered too nasal or too throaty, something extremely discouraged in classical training...
That is why Siyeon is DC main vocal and not Yoohyeon.... Yoohyeon's skill is more pop and jazz focused and so her runs are (imho) better than Siyeon's.... But nobody in DC and many other Kpop groups can switch genres and range as quickly and efficiently as Siyeon, the closest to a rock star singer in Kpop GGs ...
Comparing Siyeon to top tier Pop vocalists like Wendy or Solar makes no sense...because their techniques, genre and speciality are different.. Wendy won't sound nearly as good as Siyeon does in rock not because she's bad, actually she is better than Siyeon technically, but she is also not a master in rock... I am a big fan of Wendy... but also a huge fan of rock music, so I see Siyeon as what she really is; a rock singer and a very good one...
There is no overhype about Siyeon... but most Kpop fans are mainly fans of Pop music..no rock music... so they probably do not understand the difference between a pop vocalist and a rock singer....
Thx for your entertaining video...
eunha, dayoung, handong, jiu, sua, and siyeon would def be considered vocalists and out of the f tier. yubin would be higher than e considering she's one of the more strong vocalists
Absolutely agree. Dreamcatcher are kinda known for their vocals. Especially Siyeon, seriously.
They dont know Dreamcatcher Bsides and Special Covers. They just listen to Title tracks :,( its annoying
Also, Siyeon's vocals is more suitable for the rock technique and style. Well, Dreamcatcher has rock as their main sound, that's why she is the main vocalist.
Judging her vocals only with "pop technique" and calling her weak is unfair, especially considering the group she is in. I heard from some rock especialists that Siyeon is an incredible and strong vocalist for a rock band/group. But she is improving a lot her "pop technique"
@@thaisyamamoto6032 this video isn't judging them on their "pop technique", it's mainly just supported range that this video is based off. Siyeon is a good "singer" for rock songs but it doesn't mean she's a good "vocalist" if you get what I mean
Ngl the video is correct. None of those girls support
Yuju in her prime is "B/AA-P"
I think I would put Umji and SinB higher or in different tiers. Hearing them now with recent songs, covers, and hearing them live is fully different then before. They have more support when reaching low and high notes without straining. Also have seen Umji’s duets with Lee Mujin (When It Snows or Dive Into You)
Wheein doesn’t have C#5 anymore.
Sejeong’s highest supported note was a D5 from her musical btw
What are you basing this of? (what performances)
So she's C#4 ?
@@shinyemi it's C5 then. C#4 is a whole octave lower which I don't think she's regressed that much.
(I could be wrong I'm in no way trained in vocals I just know minimal music theory)
@@jasonip2098 ok thanks !
@@jasonip2098 she regressed to B4/C5 a mid A-AA sadly
I don't think this ranking is perfect but yes top two is correct 👌
Solar and wendy is queen
Top Two is not correct it should be Yuju and Wendy
@@hinacharmbraceletera283 for me
@@btsiseverything6326 thats cool but in other vocal aspects Yuju is better than Solar tbh
@@hinacharmbraceletera283 ok
@@hinacharmbraceletera283 in what yuju edge solar?
Me Acting Surprised Like I Didn’t Already Know Wendy Was Going To Be 1st😮
Dreamcatcher discography is more focused on rock, not Pop... rankings like this are based on the idea all idols are only Pop vocalists not Rock Singers or Rappers... that is why Siyeon being DC main vocal is lower than Yoohyeon, also many people still believe Kpop is a genre (a variation of Pop Music), but it is really an industry... if you listen DC song No more, Black Pink song Kill this Love or Red Velvet song Feel my rhythm, (my favorite song of each of these groups) it is pretty obvious you are listening 3 different genres... Rank these idols in their vocal abilities/techniques/support when no all of them sing Pop, makes no sense..
Seulgi should be higher
Higher than whom? Lol
Red Velvet five vocal Queens 🎉❤🐰🐻🐿🐥🐢💝🫶
Wasn’t Nayeon above Seola? Hmm last time I checked sootzubae ranked nayeon above her. 🤔
Also I’ve noticed how you always put Nayeon lower than those the specialists say it’s better. Sootzubae put nayeon above both Giselle and jinni yesterday. And said that before dice nayeon was still above kyujin and Sullyoon. But I recall your video that you put nayeon under all of them. Strange…
Well I don’t get it either. Like putting one or two above nayeon it’s ok cause they are like pretty much same (interchangeable). But putting all of them above nayeon now seola as well. And also Jeongyeon I think she is above yoonhyeon last time I checked in Sootzubae ranking
@@joynayeon7201 Sotzubae did 3rd girl groups rank?
@@gga.haruse yes she did. Only some groups High Weak and Weak tier. It’s in the community of her channel in a comment 3 days ago over 64 replies you can see. She did kind of a mix ranking with 3rd and 4rd vocalist
It was before I recognized her recent improvements :).
@@joynayeon7201 not much people are above nayeon in the W-A tier. Chaewon might be under or near nayeon and SeolA probably interchangeable, but some argued she could sound average at times.
I think yuju and wendy are on the same level maybe. But sure youre always welcome to have your own opinions. Personally speaking i would put jihyo right under seulgi since both of them are quite similar in skill.
i'd probably switch wheein and solar as well!
I keep forgetting Kei is kinda crazy
Jihyo is a good vocalist, a great dancer and an amazing performer, she is so impressive 💜
I honestly wonder how good Jihyo could have been if she was trained to be a main vocalist
Great list! Only adjustments I would make:
Move Jeongyeon to C
Move Nayeon to C+
Move Jihyo to B-
All 3 of these are really undervalued in this list, but especially God Jihyo. She is a really really great vocalist.
Jeongyeon and Nayeon will continue high w-a, they are shallow with they support
and Jihyo will continue as mid a too
whein (idk how to pronounce her name lol) has regressed and as I've heard and seen her supp is now b4/c5
Wheein
That's why she ranked at the same level with hwasa, she used to be better than solar..
@@Aria-nu6ko I wouldn’t say the same level an hwasa she still a little better. And I find is amusing how solar hasnt regressed one bit
@@dino.nuggies2382 I mean the tier level not exact the same. Yeah I surprised too since wheein who usually known to use the healthiest technique among the girls. Maybe because solar recently doing musical too and her stamina is insane😭
@@dino.nuggies2382 solar even improved after doing the musical as a lead actress for few months
sejeong who is now better than yuju
yuju regress and get technical issues
but yuju prime is indeed better than sejeong but for now
sejeong > yuju
and seola>chaewon prime=yoohyeon>jeongyeon
Sejeong still lower than yuju in terms of technique and range. Even yuju is regressed a bit, the only singers could pass her is solar or wheein in their peak.
Gfriend
Prime Yuju B (AA-P)
Yuju B- (AA)
Yerin E+
SinB E+
Eunha F+
Umji F
Sowon F
Is Yujin really that bad of a vocalist? Imo she is one of the best sub-vocals out there
Rosé's support is (G#3)Bb3~A4/Bb4 (B4)
Her lower register isn’t that developed to carry support passed A3 or even Bb3. And she lacks consistency with her Bb4’s.
@@floraofficial7357 I think now she is consistent with her A3 and Bb4
And Jennie's supported range is
(A3)-Bb3-G4/G#4(A4)
And she is consistent upto B3-F#4
I think Jennie is E+ and Rosie is mid to high D+
Why wendy stand out alone on b+? 😂
Cuz she's the best vocalist on 3rd gen
Can you do a big ranking with those 3rd gen and the 4th gen groups that you put on you 4th gen gg ranking please !
I would like also see ranking of boy of 3rd and 4th gen !
And Soloists !
Also i think it's better if you put the group beside each member name because not everyone are familliar with all those idols
Mina and Jennie would be in Underdevelop, they have no any Weak worthy, Mina is too soft even on G4s and Jennie has issues with pulling too much chest voice, Yerin in the low Weak(same as chaeyoung)
This is what happens when you have no vocal knowledge. If you have internet, use it to get more information, not to do this type of stupidity.
WENDOOOOOOYYYY!💙💙💙💙💙
Please guys keep in mind these ranks don’t mean someone is a bad singer or performer. I recognize for instance that Solar is an amazing vocalist but I personally am not that much of a fan, I prefer Dreamcatcher Siyeon’s type of voice as it sounds more fitted for rock sounds. Technique isn’t the only deciding point
singer and vocalist, as I see, are different.
singer is a performer, can convey emotions, can connect and tell a story.
@@edu.8552 oh thanks for your take on this words. I admit i don’t have the same proximity to the meaning of english words as it is my second language, but it’s interesting to read about this !
@@TheReal_happy40 it's my second also! your english is pretty good.
@@edu.8552 That is correct. A singer is someone who is able to use their voice to convey emotion and connect to an audience. A vocalist is someone who is able to use their voice, as an instrument, to show off the music of a song.
Viewers: Please do not put down any idol to boost up your favs. We are better than this. Please be respectful and if you have questions just ask them.
I didn’t do this to boost up my favs 💀. This is just a vocal ranking I wanted to share with others.
@@floraofficial7357 I meant to people in general not to you because whenever there is a vocal ranking people will tend to put down other vocalist and call the person who made this wonderful video a hater. This is to all viewers.
This Ranking is wonderful and I love the hard work you did to make it. As a trained vocalist myself I love looking at list like these.
@@justdb4 oh alright thank you for the support! Hope you enjoyed the content :)
@@floraofficial7357 I really did. I can tell you have a passion for these videos and I hope you keep making more. Vocals got me into kpop and I am glad there are people like you to makes these.
@@floraofficial7357 hello I'm genuinely curious I'm not trying to start a fight. I hope you can answer me kindly. I was wondering, if Siyeon was actually that weak, why has she always sound so solid and good most of the time? I've heard Lia and Miyeon sing and I can tell that they lack so much but with Siyeon, it's actually weirded me out with all these rankings but I've always find Siyeon's singing sound good to ears. Her participation in a vocal contest before also show off her good vocal and some of her covers also showcased her vocal strengths. How does her lack of support weight on her in this matter? Will she eventually lose her voice to sing in the future?
Ain't no way yeri from rv that low 😢😢😢
if only yg focus more on vocal technique instead of pushing their idol to sing uniquely and stylistic.
They would be so good then. Kinda sad that they push unhealthy ways of singing purely for an unique tone.
That’s right I feel bad for all of them especially Jisoo and Lisa both of them can sing better. It not they isn’t good singer but they can be more better
@@liwubae3012 yeah, jisoo already have deep voice. if she can support low notes, maybe she can be like yuqi who also have deep voice.
@@sr5084 She has more of a husky voice
Yubin's voice is so beautiful
I thought Joy would be down further though....damn
I like how after blackpink vocal line improved during born pink
I think ppl should listen to more Bsides and covers from Dreamcatcher like Jazz Bar, DayBreak, Starlight, Always, Locked Inside a Door, Shadow Slow Version... you can see more techniques
I don’t think that would change anything on there placement. I think Live material is way more valuable then auto tuned stuff.
@@floraofficial7357 even when they sing them live they sound the same 🤷🏽♀️
@@Zayneb111_which isn’t really a good thing. JiU sounds nasal and stylistic, Siyeon is straining and her pushing her notes out, Yoohyeon is the only one with proper technique to execute proper support.
@@floraofficial7357 You know that rock (Dreamcatcher's main sound) has a different technique, right? Yoohyeon is a better pop vocalist, while Siyeon is a better rock vocalist.
Siyeon's ranking is fair and unfair at the same time, because she is maybe the only one among them that use a rock vocal technique (according some especialists she has a rock technique). Considering both techniques are different, is kinda difficult to judge her vocals. Because judging ONLY based on pop technique is unfair for her.
At least, she is improving more and more with her pop technique as well
Well, it's obvious that Yoohyeon is stronger in pop technique in Dreamcatcher and could be their main vocalist IF the group didn't have the rock as their main sound. She could be the second main vocalist, in my opinion.
@@thaisyamamoto6032 rock is based around classical singing. You need some decent singing technique In order to execute the rock sound those artist are going for. Either that or your voice can go bye bye.
I cant believe moonbyul and rose are in same tier
it's bc this ranking is so wrong😭
@@carlosfierros2635 so what rank do you think Rose is at?
Oh wait dont get me wrong i know nothing about vocal. I'm just surprised that she's in same level as main vocal
@@dumbdumbo7984 it's bcs rosé isn't that strong as a main vocalist she would be great as a sub or lead tbh
Moonbyul is on low weak to average while rose is middle or Arguably high
Isn't Wendy solid A?
She's not
Why sinb previous position (lead vocal) before debut was given to eunha lol, weird soumu
Maybe bc sinb is the main dancer (they can just give sinb both position tho)
@@eunhanators5979 nayeon said hi
YAY WENDY LOVEEE YUARRRRRR
Seems like everyone is jumping on the bandwagon underappreciating siyeon since that one video a guy posted about her being a "weak" vocalist. How does a main vocalist that covered variety of genres ranked so much lower than a lot of sub vocalists?
May not be very well developed
Not you ranking Lisa higher than Siyeon..
Which tier when a baritone supporting A2/Bb2~Eb4/E4~G#4
AA-P
Jennie is definitely E
Tiers make no sense when Lisa or Tzuyu are a higher tier than Jisoo, and how are Mina and chaeyoung higher than jennie
It's all fact I'm afraid
I think Yuju is enough to be at low AA-P she already resonated B4's recently in like an indian doll
It was not resonant actually 😅
It was still pushed but it was a nice belts.
However she still can't be in low AA-P considering how her 5thOctave is not strong as it was in her prime days.
She still need to produce openess CONSISTENTLY around A4 ~ C#5 at least close to her prime.
@@YEOUN_channel oh- but its very open 👁👄👁
@user-vd5kq5gr6d regressed one, cause if in her peak it would be wendy/yuju
None can beat wendy 💀🤲🍺
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Wendy is gonna be a weak vocalist if you put her aside the vocal Trinity aside
Her consistent supported range is
F#3/G3-C#5/D5-A5
The Trinity:
Whitney: G3/G#3-F5/F#5-C#6
Celine: Eb3/E3-E5-C#6
Mariah: F3/F#3-F5-Bb5
@@august9900 they said "none can beat wendy" and are you forgetting that Mariah isn't even professionally trained 👁👄👁 and she has nodules so-
In which tier can be elly from weki meki? She supports at least shallowly?
I think Uji should be here since EXO is counted as 3rd gen.
BESTie debuted one month after BTS. So yeah. They indeed 3rd gen group
Eunha F-?????????? Wth !!
Looking back on this, I'd move Wheein's support down to B4/C5. Her approach has gotten exceedingly light and pushed around C#5, it's not a part of her supported range anymore. She's been having issues around B4/C5 lately but I'd say she is still above Hwasa but not by much.
So sad that she regressed. To someone near Solar to near Hwasa.
Yoohyeon on top of siyeon? I'm laughing out loud, vocal coaches who are REALLY PREFESIONAL, have said that siyeon is the best and strongest dreamcatcher vocalist and that he surpasses yoohyeon in vocal range, technique and support, and even the vocal coach finds it stupid to believe that siyeon has a bad technique being that he has the best technique in dreamcatchers... But well I can see the FAVORITISM in this video.
Sorry for my english.
Ikr? Even in mixnine the vocal coach said that they should learn from her like how are you going to put siyeon that much lower that yoohyeon and lower than chaeyoung and jennie ?😭
Sadly i dont know why they ranked them very low but when we said our opinion as insomnia's they said we are biased
No you're just incorrect. Yoohyeon ranks higher because she has a supported range (and quitr a good one), and Siyeon does NOT. Therefore Yoohyeon has better technique and supported range. So she's the best vocalist in Dreamcatcher.
@@Zayneb111_ So you think a vocal coach on Mixnine saying Siyeon is good compared to a bunch of nugu trainees who can barely sing is some compliment? These survival programmes don't care about technique, just that a singer can do some belt for them to loop 5 x with different reactions every performance lol
Make one of 2nd generation please🙏
Jiu isn't non vocalist shi is lead vocalist and sua's have high notes her vocal better lisa and tzuyu
Wheein did the whistle note in one of their songs.
“Supported range”
If you are one of the biased Imsonias in the comments, shut up please! Or if you want, keep commenting to entertain us.
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Would you do rankings for 2nd Generation GGs too?
Are all vocalist in Weki Meki F? Except for Yoojung and Suyeon
im still in shock how Siyeon got F+ just im in shocked
Dayoung definitely should be ranked higher
I feel like yuju should be above solar as she's better and more consistent than solar with her low notes, upper belts, vocal dynamics, vocal agility, and ESPECIALLY upper register... Solar only beat her probably in mid-belts...
Yuju vocal agility is better than solar tho the gap is quite noticable
@@tegarmahesaagni3804 oh thanks for correcting me....
True and Yuju starts resonating B4's again
@@hinacharmbraceletera283 yesss... but I'm not only talking about support and resonance... It's just that there are a lot of aspects in vocal technique and skills that yuju surpasses solar... Solar may be more consistent and resonant in mid-belts, but yuju is better than her in all other aspects
@@johnroebetvista1992 yea and tbh the person saying Yuju is consistent on G5 in head voice is kinda a reach F5/F#5 is good for now
i'm surprised to see dayoung below eunseo & yeoreum :o i thought she had improved her support by a lot but then again i don't know much about technique lols ':) could u explain? /gen
Dayoung is actually better than that, only fans know where to find the right clips where she showcases her technique, unfortunately based only on their title tracks you can’t tell her level as a non-fan
@@antonino2229 ah i see!! i thought so too haha,, thank u for the reply
I know Siyeon doesn't have the best technique but there is no way she is F tier, like there is no way
She is low weak (above Jennie and Mina)
Btw where's Jiho oh my girl? or did I miss her?
Shes not in OH MY GIRL anymore, so i didn't include her. But she would be a Non-Vocalist/Underdeveloped
You should check first, Mamamoo's individual songs. Don't rely on their group songs. For example, Solar on her theater songs 😅
siyeon should be in the top tier
LMAO. had to luagh
@@puthaycrabzz7478 cannot even laugh the right way
lol
Laughed a little bit at this
Yes!
jisoo is a good vocalist.
She has the weakest technique in all of BLACKPINK, you can enjoy her tone, but she strains all of her notes, at her peak, even moms was better than her
She's not even a vocalist, let alone good. She's a non vocalist.
lmao
@@dalsonyanLisa is weaker than her now jisoo have some moment of support but not consistent while lisa doesn't have any passable moment
Ah I remember the time when yuju was above average to proficient
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Source music push her hard to always do highnote in every highnote. She may be damage her vocal a bit, but thankfully it didnt permanently damage her vocal chord. She keeps recover and explore more low notes
I think shes already enough to be a low AA-P
My opinion:
Siyeon at F+ and Eunha as unranked are total misses.
Yeonjung at only 12 seems a little low.
Seulgi and Hwasa seem a little high; these two always seem to get boosts due to their popularity.
Dawon is always underrated, always doing the WJSN hard carries before Yeonjung joined.
The video isn't updated yet so Siyeon is now higher.
And why do u think that Seulgi and Hwasa are too high?
Hwasa and seulgi both deserve their place
I appreciate u have the time to make this type of vid. But let me just say this: each artist/idol or whatever u call them has its own unique way of interpreting a song. Vocals, whether its high, low, mid, or what ever range is an important part of a music piece, and each voice has to be at a right place for it to be good even if its just a lowkey whisper. For example, just try singing "How You Like That" in a high and powerful note right off the bat. Doesn't it feel awkward? If it was made to be sung like that then it might be good. And one more thing, idols sing when they're dancing so we can't say for sure who's the "best" vocalist. Yes I get the point that they have trained to synchronize their vocal and dancing but those are two seperate elements. They need to have a backing track for them to take a breath and prevent them from passing out due to over exerting both vocals and dancing.
One more thing: THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS, NOT GODS. STOP TREATING THEM LIKE ONE.
Have a good day😊.
You missed the point
This video is simply to track, catalogue & share information on the vocalists development. Not to criticize them.
@@Vermillion808 my point is the importance of various vocals in a song or music piece, and I am not criticizing them or anything.
What are you offended about exactly?
my girls mamamoo all can be a main vocalist
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tsk this is a joke, how is posible that vocalist that aren't able to sing live at all are "better" vocalist that the ones that can sing alive sounding almost studio version...
Singing Live doesn’t indicate anything about one’s vocal 💀