@@daltonsharp6254 Same here, destroy all humans was my childhood, i also enjoyed Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse, if you like destroy all humans you would enjoy that game.
Overlord’s humor may have aged a bit but I like how they made the lust guy someone who actually PRACTICES lust, rather than someone who inspires lust like other “seven deadly sins” type things, y’know? I also think it’s kinda funny that the horrible plague turning everyone into zombies is basically a demonic STD, also, while Goldo’s fate in the abyss is pretty horrifying he totally deserves it
melvin is depicted as obease as its a mortal depiction of glutony not a immortal twisted monster of mytholagy, depicting him as a monster instead of the common old times depiction of wealthy nobels gorged apon ill gotten gains wouldnt fit the story as well as its the mortal sin effecting melvin not him being twiated into a actual immortal monster. as melvin is still human it makes sence to use the mortal depictiona of greed which is excess and glutony, which they did more than well enough.
as for minons sexuality i always thought that as life force came from the overlord who harvests it, hence minions requirment for a overlord, that they would be reprisentative of there lord, ie straight male then all minions would be straight males, hence why i used to want to see a female overlord just to see the older minions bicker like old married couples from the shock of suddenly there being female minions.
On the subject of Gluttonous Beasts, Guillermo Del Toro's Pale Man springs to my mind as an interesting design featuring gluttonous symbolism. It's meant to look like a previously fatty creature that had starved long ago, even in the ancient murals in his lair the Pale Man is a creature of loosened skin. His eyes being in his hands could mean a blindness to anything he cannot possess and grasp in his claws, he cannot even partake of his own banquet because he only has eyes and appetite for flesh. He starves not for lack of food but for his tastes.
at 15:30 I just want to throw it out there but close by there are is a small group of villagers talking about how they can't get rid of the overgrowth of the forest as cutting, chopping and *even burning* doesn't work
Poor Oberon; guy took a depression nap and got trapped in a nightmare. I also really liked this game, even though I'm pretty sure my first run many years ago was rife with frustration and swearing, especially in the abyss segments. The color, levity, wanton violence, cartoonish approach to "evil" personified by Gnarl, and the story setup all come together to make something memorable. Shame that every time I play it, something in the code apparently breaks. My last playthrough a few years ago had the minion controls partially borked and manually controlling them became REALLY finicky, and seeing what happened with your Jade chase makes me wonder if I'd even be able to finish it again.
I love the humour of this game, there is no other game like this except others in the series… no there was no overlord game after overlord 2. This game should be remastered with bigger hoards and better graphics for funsies. Two things you didn’t mention was the arena area and the forge where you can fight hoards of enemies and enchant your armour by sacrificing your minions.
The only issue I had with this game was that you had to be 100% Evil in order to get the, "Evil," ending. I did everything you were supposed to, except being unfaithful to Rose, because I wanted to be canonically accurate. So I got the, "Good (Bad?)" ending instead.
@@cooltrainervaultboy-39 I honestly think the canon ending is 100% corruption, including being with Velvet. Rose just decided to do some screwery with the Overlord's son and so she caused/assisted in causing the Great Cataclysm. And Gnarl went along with it because it is better for the next Overlord's mental health. Can't have the Overlord going through a crisis when the Empire is about to be smashed
"im not unpacking im just throwing out the entire suitcase" has got to be the best way to put things out there ever. i swear to god. also the sins described were basically imposed versions by a cabal of elitists
Yeah, gluttony as a cardinal sin never sat right with me. The last time I checked, they already HAVE a vice centered around the mindless acquisition of resources at the expense of others…It’s called GREED.
Lust, Greed, and Gluttony in the classical sense are less distinct by what you do as they are in why you do it. The Seven Deadly Sins are a continuing historical legacy of Christian brainwashing, essentially. There were actually 9 and then 8 and then 7, as they kept folding them into simpler names. In some of the earlier ones, sins included Sadness, Dejection, and Bragging as well as some of the others. Instead of "lust" they called out explicitly Prostitution. They were always centred in the specific perceived issues of their time. Sadness was changed to Envy and Bragging folded into Pride. But the fact they were ever considered sinful shows the fundamental purpose of these lists. They are there to shame you for feeling things that powerful people didn't want you to feel. That's it. There is no real consistency to the Cardinal Sins because they're inherently just a method of control that changes depending on what the "thinkers" writing them down want. If they become more empathetic to a specific sin it is downplayed. Ever notice how Greed is the most sympathetic or least important one in most renditions of it these days? Like in FMA where he's explicitly heroic? I don't think it's a mistake that in the age of Capitalism we pretend Greed is more sympathetic.
The corruption is the heedless excess all heroes are afflicted by. The hobbits, known for their love of good food, good drink and parties CANNOT be portrayed by gaunt figures because their corrupted trait isn't HUNGER, it is their love of all things fine that turns to GLUTTONEY ai excess eating, and no one get skinny from excess eating. Everyone is being a caricature and your personal hang-ups is simply your own personal gripes, pretty telling by how much you don't even seem recognize the rest. The minions are the perfect power fantasy underlings, they are gleefully obedient, fearlessly loyal, utterly disposable and most importantly, impotent admirers of your prestige. That's why they are in love with the mistresses.
the telltale "personal gripes" could be a sense of humour that contrasts with something lowbrow/cliche. Your explanation for the minion's love of the mistresses feels like a stretch. i see it more like the *perverted old man is harmless* joke you find in fantasy satire. im all for a bit of satire but i dont appreciate most of the cynically insinuated stuff and sarcastic contempt and degradation of many things that seem innocent/arbitrary. Maybe im too optimistic. The race stuff and the tangential joke showing poor examples of Catholicism felt forced. im not catholic but it felt a bit ~nihilistic atheist knows best. the fat jokes are painful! I probably wouldnt like the fat boss if it was all about the gross stuff and lacking the cute roll attack. It's cute! >o> the sexy mistress collecting is even more painful! I think most sane kids would find it weird or awkward. Though, I must admit that the popularity of predictable "Harem" novels, especially those that still try to have a Gary Stu are a mystery to me.
@@gabbonoo No one in this game get any better treatment than any other, except for the Overlord and the Mistresses, the minions kill even each other for shits and giggles. If your complaint is that one specific group is being portrayed as just as useless and beneath the Overlord as everyone else, then it's a personal gripe. It's not, since that trope doesn't fit with the younger minions being just as enamoured as Gnarl. My explanation isn't an in game explanation, it's a design explanation, because there is no in game and none is required. It's simply how things are, just like the houses with doors that can't be opened, sheep that respawn, the ground randomly burning forever and so on. The whole race-rant is indeed a bit weird, since two out of four human heroes are black and the only non-corrupt leader (Archie in Spree) is a black man and has been *voted in* by the towns people and who's really the only nice and competent NPC in the region, but that goes unnoticed, which supports my theory about personal gripes rather than simply being annoyed at crude jokes in general. Simply put, it's a cheeky power fantasy game filled with everything a power fantasy should have, overpowered violence, hot chicks fighting for your attention, riches, you being praised and worshiped every step of the way as you trample those before you and massive amounts of dark colours, spikes, steel and magic. The Overlord has no face and no voice so the player can project onto the character, Khanlusa on the other hand isn't, she seem to change view of the Overlord from her avatar to a man, which makes sense as the male and female power fantasies aren't compatible, and she doesn't like what he does and wish for less male power fantasy and more female power fantasy of controlling the man that she at that point doesn't see as her avatar anymore, she start projecting onto the women, it's very interesting to see. This is all supported by her complete obliviousness that every (non boss) man has been portrayed as stupid, weak, incompetent and submissive through out the game up to the point of Heavens Gate; FemDom Edition (35:16 time stamp).
@@Ackalan tripling down on the association of fat=contemptible and the collection of women with only cringe-worthy choices at many of the more interesting points in the story
I'm pretty sure the whole "elves and dwarfs hate each other" thing isn't even a tolkein thing, like there's distrust but they don't sling slurs at each other like in the movies... Feel like its one of those things that just sort of happened from repeated mis-adaptations and other media that was inspired by it overdoing it, cultural game of telephone
Yeah it did always feel like a bit of Flanderization & from what I've read of Tolkiens work, there is some history of animosity but there is also history of friendship. The relationship between Gimli & Legolas always struck me as a rivalry, with no genuine hatred.
@@prettycoolguy3206 Gimli was 100% character assassinated in Jackson's adaptation and Legolas is insanely steelmanned. Their whole dynamic is completely flipped from how it is in the books.
It appears to be essentially a classim thing by the Zeitgeist where elves got coded to high class and nature and dwarves to lower(often working) class and industry without much actual depth to the thought of what that characterization would mean or what historical origins. Like seriously so few ever seem to know the conditions in events like gold rushed that led to the stereotypes coded onto dwarves as miners or how exploitively horrible it was. But yeah it's a simple stereotype that seems mostly post-Tolkien. The simarillion had some conflict with the Dwarves and Elves but it was highly specific and doesn't really match to the later coding
@@travislyonsgary There's more distrust and accusation towards the elves encountered from Borimir more than anyone, when they enter Lothlorien he's the one full of rumors and superstition surrounding them (rather than it being gimli as the movie tells it). And the first character to get upset about the patrol that finds them's terms for leading them to Galadriel is Legolas of all people, appalled that an elven prince like him would be blindfolded and it takes Aragorn's insistence to calm him down. I'm not 100% on the whole classism thing, there's probably a ton of layers about the elf hate and dwarf love, cause dwarfs are often depicted as greedy to a fault, probably inspired by the Mines of Moria deal. Like elves are almost always depicted as "hoity toity tree lovers" in post-tolkien media which gets them lots of flak from the 2000s nerd culture which has layers of homophobia, "hippy hate" and some kind of weird protestant work ethic ideal that the elves are lazy, while dwarfs are rough, down to earth craftsmen, hard drinkers and fighters, admired for the reverse, being hyper masculine, industrious and anti-nature and hard working. I have no idea where it started but I think it was fully solidified in "nerd" culture by Warhammer Fantasy Battles, and then further reinforced by all the media that copied that trend, Dwarf Fortress, the Jackson adaptations and all the media created from that (NEVER TRUST AN ELF), and then parroted on by Overlord and so-on...
Man I was in love with this game growing up, enjoyed the crude and crass humor. Really wish they did more in the series, wonder what a 3rd Overlord game could be
While I agree that, looking back to the 1st (and especially 2nd) Overlord games, there is definitely too much fat-jokes - the Melvin actually makes far more sense as this big fat halfling than sone thin mythological creature you've described in examples. Later in th game, when you confront the Wizard "hero", that was the one who got possessed by the former slain Overlord's spirit and started corrupting the others to indulge in these sins, because "well, they're heroes and deserve it, right?". Melvin is not some kind of magican embodiment of a curse of gluttony. He is just one of the heroes (halfling at that) that got consumed by this sin and indulged in it so much that it made the nearby villagers starve and himself to grow to such proportions that it looks like he'll burst if you kick him too harshly (which he does). I think going for the thin scary mummified creature that is cursed to never feel sated woukd be more horror-esque, instead of sort of comedic (which this game aimed for). Again - there is clearly a pattern of showing conventionally unattractive people in a negative light. But in this exact case - I think they did a good justice to gluttony sin. Maybe they should've not make Melvin into such big proportions that it looks unrealistic even for a big human such as Overlord to grow to that size, but that's it.
Granted, this was ruffly around the time where The Lord of the Rings was still in the Pop Cultural zeitgeist, and the fat hobbit trope was still cemented in everyone's mind.
When you described Gluttony, I thought about CV: Lords of Shadow. There’s a sequence where Gabriel and Zobek confront a cowardly priest who holed himself in an area with a holy relic, revealed to be Holy Water. Its been a very long while, but I believe the two admonish the priest for his actions and how his covetous ways led to the villagers suffering from the predations of vampires and undead. Upon taking the vial, the priest attempts to take it back only for the two effectively ignore him. When they leave, it’s revealed that there are vampires in the room and the cowardly priest’s fate is sealed. What sticks out to me about this is your description of the famine type spirits and horrors being emaciated and gaunt, something that is shared with the priest. Granted, I could easily be reading too deeply into a game I haven’t played within years, but that scene really did stick out.
@@khanlusa I know right? She is the writer for everything overlord. I looked it up to check if I wasn’t just misremembering after posting the comment and it’s still just a weird fact.
That's honestly wild. I can see the similarities to Discworld's irreverent mockery of fantasy tropes, and Darwin award depictions of humanity. It's all a bit meaner, though, which is a shame and really bites the series in the sequel
I honestly disagree with all the criticism of your criticism of Melvin, but i think it would have been received better if you'd given a suggestion of somehow a better way greed could have been implemented.
*gluttony, but I agree. All of the heroes fell to some sort of evil, and this is just how they portrayed it. Honestly, I don't have an issue with Melvin. After all, could anyone really dispute that he had engaged in gluttonous behavior, that a paragon of good had fallen so low? The dude didn't simply eat a lot, or enjoy eating a lot, he ate to the point where a short and small halfling dwarfed the height of the impressive Overlord, and was *still* eating as if he was starving. Literally having his lackies go out and rob and pillage just to feed him. This isn't merely a fat guy (compare him to the empire citizens in the second game. They are obese), he is absolutely ENORMOUS.
I think it is funny that your solution to "fatphobia" is to go in the opposite direction and make fun of skinny people when, as you pointed out - it is no less common a trope. The reason skinny people get represented as gluttonous is because they are *starving*. How is that any less "problematic"? I'd say it is more-so. (Rose probably knows loosely where her sister is and what she is up to, siblings are often good at guessing eachother's minds.) Also the point of Heaven's Peak is that William has become so debaucherous that mortal pleasures can't satisfy him anymore. That's the point of all the heroes - they were goaded into something seemingly innocuous until it consumed them. Kind of how corruption happens irl. No one wakes up and says "I feel like making the world worse" they go down a path they think is mostly harmless until they get in over their heads. The dark lord has a mistress, this will paint a very bad light of the evil overlord of sin and slaughter - how ever will his PR ever recover? I like how even when there is a boss that is almost aimed at making you feel good for putting him down, you still find a reason to complain. Your complaint about a minority getting a role as villain's is so... I don't know where to start. If they had been ANY of the 7 sins you would have found a reason to complain on this front. I get that you say that you "like this game". If this is your "like" I'd hate to see you "hate" or even "dislike" something. You probably think that is unfair but most of the video is you complaining or taking pot-shots. This comment probably sounds pretty confrontational, sadly I can't think of a better way to express my thoughts on the matter. Hope you have a nice day.
What the game did WAS making fun of fat people. The real life religions aren’t making fun of skinny people when they have a guy who can never eat or drink be emaciated because he fed his son to the Greek pantheon
And? I don't recall saying they were not making fun of being morbidly obese. And we are talking about a comedy game - in order to make your vision come to life in this context you would have had to make fun of someone skinny as a rail.@@healgoth
even since i was a little lad I have been infected by this franchise, spawning a decade long special interest. I think about this game literally every day, the good and the bad heh. I am a bit sleep deprived as I am writing this but its amazing to hear someone review the game and acknowelege all the sexism, fatphobia and racism in it (as much as I love people liking it, this makes me feel less alone in noticing the bigotry), so thank you! I think it would be great to have these characters being expanded upon beyond their stereotypes and tropes(example velvet and rose, i love exploring sibling dynamics but the developers fucked it up by making their values based on purity culture blehh). Oh seeing this just made my day ahhh!!!!!!!!And in a video essay format too...Ough my heart.
That bit about how the mc is considered evil for fixing things instead of maintaining the status quo sounds like the anthesis of the dragons dogma anime. I wish that wasn't the first thing that came to mind but whatever
Did you actually watch the show or just watch Mother's Basement's video about it? I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion, I haven't watched the show myself thanks to how universally it was banned, but I'm curious if someone else independently came to such a similar opinion.
@YumLemmingKebabs no it was just the mother basement episode. I don't think i could sit through the show myself without going mad and throwing my console out a window
Nice to vicariously experience these older games without suffering myself. Much as i love your wow stuff this is a nice breakaway from that and quite interesting seeing older games through a modern lense and seeing how well they have aged....plus this was fking funny to watch you were on fire with the memes in this without it being overbearing. Thank you for sharing
Damn now I feel dumb I made a comment and deleted it because I didn't want yet another argument in my notifications but all I had was a nice reply from the creator. (saw it afterwards in notifications) Maybe I should be less cynical lmao. Anyway great vid.
I'm glad you're finding your way in other content now. Even if you don't go back to making WoW videos, I just want to let you know your videos inspired me to give my own try at giving the TBC story a go through an RPG campaign I decided to start soon.
This has definitely been less stressful/draining to work on, but I will enjoy poking at WoW writing on my own time (like fics and such again.) I hope you enjoy creating your story and I'm glad to have inspired, thank you 🥺
You missed pretty much all of the mythology references/humour related in this game, like in the case of Melvin for example, Gronhild is a pagan demon that Lucifer condemned to eternities of suffering eating his own flesh until he exploded just to be reborn again for the same purpose, just to name one. xD its not 2000s misyginistic galore game as you put it, and i get it, you like it but the perception you`re giving is from a 2020s person and likely so its painfully apparent, its hard to find info about this game but there is an intervew with the dev where they pretty much shit on the plot bc for them it was just for laughs and they put all of the references between various mythologys and early 00s cringy/edgyness in a humour fantasy setting, sadly I couldn't find it. The game is made just for you to enjoy and have a laugh xD and if people get offended, well that`s life xD
... I would assume the difference between the spells probably has something to do with the Mother Goddess, whose good and her forgotten ex-husband who's bad. I wonder if the developers played dragonlance, the elven hero's nightmare is very much like a similar thing that happens in it. An elven king gets corrupted by a powerful mystical artifact that makes his nightmares into reality and an evil dragon that whispers into his ear.
I remember buying this as a young lad and thinking the game was broken on the "lovk on" fireball segment. When i got a second copy i realised thr problem xD
A part of my brain remembers that there was a way (with a lot of gold) to "romance" both mistresses in the first overlord. But that may be just my plastic memory. Never did play the Raising Hell expansion because I didn't have infinite money back then and I only bought the base game. That physical disc could still be around somewhere.
Not quite, you can only get multiple mistresses in the second game. The thing you're thinking of is unlocking the sex "scene"(they don't show anything) for both in one playthrough. Each of the two mistress options have different decoration options associated with them that you can choose from, and both women are only willing to put out if you bought enough of their flavor of decorations for the tower. Even if you bang both though, you can only have one at a time occupying the Tower. Kinda weird that there's no penalty for switching back and forth a bunch of times. Also even if Rose is presented as the more sentimental and less materialistic of the two, she waits to put out until you buy her enough shiny things just like her "gold digger" sister, if I remember right. It wasn't mentioned in this video, but there were other things unmentioned also.
Fallout 76 does a great job at portraying wendigo. Skeletal, stooped stature, distended belly, a terrible scream. Horrorifying too be sure. They lighten the horror by providing screws as loot. ... Because their screws are loose...
I remember my older brother getting this game on a road trip and the during the drive I always read the back of it. He later give it to me as I always play it. I later got part Two(which i enjoy) The things that got me to love this games is the soundtrack(the combats ones) and the minions. I wish we get a remake for these games or a part three.
So... You're wrong about the halfling and his depiction. All the myths you cited are not about gluttony or even sin. They are at their heart creatures borne of starvation and the bad karma, vibes, or juju associated with the act of dying in the anguish of hunger. The Wendigo in particular holds and interesting place here because it plays to the darkness of succumbing to feral hunger and committing cannibalism, which was an extreme taboo in many of the Native American cultures and points to a dark time in our people's communal history. By contrast, the Sin of Gluttony is about taking too much and the bad energy associated with that, the natural consequence of which is what is depicted. Turning into a fat disgusting blob that doesn't fit into normal sized clothed and always demands more. Gluttony isn't about unsatisfied hunger. It's about satisfying that hunger and then wanting more. It's about excess and excess is not thin and emaciated. It's not about starvation or famine by twist of fate. It is about the choice to be a fat grubbing hedonist about food. That's why in more modern interpretations stuff like the "The food can't taste good" is ignored, because you don't have to contact a witch or go on crusade for spices any more, but the temtation to always grab for the next plate is always there. I am not going to unpack the rest of this video's suitcase other than by saying two things. 1. Not everything is race. 2. Play woke games win woke prizes.
I’m just going to pick apart this argument like I’m deboning a slab of meat. 1. As someone who has heard multiple retellings of what the Wendigo is supposed to be about I can say for certain that the Wendigo spirit isn’t about starvation, it’s about greed. The story of the Wendigo has always been a cautionary tale against taking too much without giving back and trying to survive all on your lonesome when humans as a species thrive in groups and social circles. The entire point of the Wendigo is to teach people what happens when you give into- oh, what else? *Greed and gluttony*. The Wendigo is not just a feral beast like depicted in anglicized depictions, it is a creature of greed and excess, always wanting for more, never being satisfied. It is so explicitly cruel and inhuman that it’s greatest trademark is succumbing to one of society’s greatest taboos; cannibalism. Such an immoral act serves to punctuate the Wendigo as being a creature of evil, greed, and wanton gluttony. It is good to approach the stories of the Wendigo with sympathy and empathy for those who have utterly no choice but to cannibalize in order to survive, but to approach the spirit of this monster with anything but fear is a disrespect to both the moral lesson it’s rooted in, and the communities that it comes from. So, yes, at the end of the day, equating greed and gluttony to the Wendigo is appropriate, it is in fact the most appropriate as the Wendigo is specifically seen as a spectre of greed, the haunting destruction caused by over-indulgence. To equate the Wendigo as little more than a “feral beast” that “eats because it’s hungry” is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Wendigo is.
@@HarleenHarpeYou are patently incorrect. The wendigo is the spirit of people who choose cannibalism in extreme survival situations, particularly in winter, where the choice is starve or eat people. You are confusing multiple other myths with the Wendigo. It isn't a moral lesson about greed. It's a primal terror of cannibal tribes in times of winter starvation dating back to the ice age. It is a fear from the dawn of man on the North American continent that is replicated in a wide variety of traditions across the oldest tribes. It doesn't eat because it's hungry. It eats because it now has a hunger that can never be sated because it succumbed to extreme starvation and now carries a corruption from that act. It's basically a corrupted human turned eldritch horror.
Gay black guy speaking here. This game is not trying to be a social commentary, nor does it portray itself as anything other than a silly over the top comedic game. Sensitive people shouldn't play games like this and I mean that with utmost respect. You'll just annoy yourself and ruin the experience for others. This is why things are massively censored today, media like this should exist and allowed to be funny.
@@56sketch ya, im gonna be honest im only gonna watch the first section. This game feels like someone looked at the lord of the rings and the seven deadly sins and mashed them. Of course the hobbit is fat, they have a schedule with like 8 different meal times on it. Its just crude humor and if you laugh you laugh and if you dont you dont. No need to complain about gluttony not mecessarily meaning being fat.
They did actually remake blazing saddles, but not the way you would think. Watch a movie called Paws of Fury. Aside from that, i loved this game when it came out.
Enjoyed this game when I was like 13, I was basicly exactly the audience you described. Unfortunately never got past the zombie infested sewers. Kept farming up browns and blues and trying to make it work, no cigar. I was good except I kept farming the village and terrorizing the hell out of it. So not really very good. Thanks for the vid! Never bothered to beat this game, don't think I ever will but this one was fun to watch. Hope to see more! Been watching a couple of your old WoW vids and I enjoyed those but I'm pleased to see you moving forward with this kind of content, I love coverage of these kind of older games.
I'm with you there, I enjoyed it as well at that age, and I still enjoyed the game now, just with a very different lens and a handful of caveats lol I remember the sewers tripping me up when I was younger as well, I eventually managed to get passed them and then I remember getting absolutely stuck at the Ruborian Desert and never advancing to the endgame so this time around was far less frustrating. And thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it 😄
On the point of the Mistress bit, doesnt the title make more sense since you are playing as THE OVERLORD. As in no one is equal to you. Also it overall looks like the 'heroes' you fight initially indulged in something and simply got worse from corruption. Theres nothing wrong with enjoying food if Tolkien's Hobbits are anything to go off but Melvin looks like what happens is you let it get the extremities. The Elf guy in the forrest sat down for nap and something probably clung onto him in order to leech off of him. Thats looks like why he hasnt been able to wake up, something or corruption of sorts.
So you were on to something because when this game came out we weren't too far removed from Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy and many of the characters and sets in the first game very much pull from that. Go back and watch the films then stack them up to the bosses and other characters and tell me this isn't if Sharon survived as a spirit over took Gandalf then started corrupting our heros and others with the deadly sins from Christianity.
I love that you love this game I'm a diehard fan I know it's your opinion about Melvin (as that's as far as I'm at rn I'll reply to each one in case you care about my opinion) I think since it was an old fantasy game greed would be most associated to the British history as king Henry the (fat one) and since spree is mocking britannia with the teeth of the farmers as well it makes sense why gluttony represents a king that's big just like king Henry anyway good video so far just my different takes oki!!!
Okay so ever night missed detail it was on fire because the spree farmers set it on fire as shown in the cutscene it but it's hard to get it to play sadly so you might be missed it and yes the voice acting is bad I knowwww but remember gnarl voice is worth the rest of the bad voice acting!! Makes khan angy!!! Yes khan wasn't as good of wrath...
The thing about the girls being trophies kinda fits the whole overlord part like he's an overlord imo he doesn't care about others it's to fulfill the whole the fantasy of me evil!!! BTW this is all my opinion
@daanstrik4293 I think the statement was more of "Bold of you to think you could cancel a game this old". Mostly due to it isn't in any limelight or popular ao it does npt really matter.
I appreciate the well formated and edited review -- clearly there was some effort behind this video. And I like that this game is still getting some attention after all thsese years. However criticising Melvin for being portrayed as this massive vile ball of fat and then going on what feels like a 5 minute tangent complaining why the devs didn't go for some more deeper, naunced theological or mythological inspirations for the potryal of gluttony strikes me as highly pretentious. I'm sure you and anyone whos played or even seen Overlord gameplay can tell that the game is suposed to be very on the nose with the way it shows evil and ect. It's much like Fable in that sense. Melvins portrayal is not fatphobic in any way at all, and as I kid I saw clearly that this was a very on the nose representation of his greed and consumption of resources at the expense of others. If it were perhaps a more serious game I'd perhaps agree -- but even then this more physical potrayal is used in seminal pieces of literature like Dune, where the Baron Harkonnen is shown to be a fat man who needs suspensors to carry him -- however Herbet doesn't stop there, he goes further to show how ultimately the Baron is cold, calculating and ultimately incredibly greedy. Tbh I don't even agree with this concept of fatphobia to begin with -- at least not the way you seem to understand it. Its not a good thing to fat at all (much like the game portrays) as it is GENERALLY reflective of one's character, however I think any normal person with an iota of kindness within them knows that berating someone over fatness is unjust and plain rude -- someone's fatness can be due to things like disease, genetic conditions or even a mental illness -- Melvin however has none of these things hence doesn't deseverve that sympathy. I also don't entirely agree with the Wrath and Jewel cristism either. Honestly, as a kid I never saw this as problematic -- I just saw them as evil characters rsther than some stayement that the game was trying to make about black people. Heck, If were to look into it deeper from a racial perspective like you did, swapping the race of both of them with white people could be just as "problematic". Given your accent I'm assuming you're likewise a denizen of this rainy nation of tea and crumpets, so unless you grew up in a very isolated community you'll probably be aware of the stereotypes Polish people get -- i.e being thieves, domestic abusers and criminals in general. Heck, if you made Jewel and Wrath any type of Asian or Arab, there's also a stereotype of domestic violence and for those ethnicities as well. My point is, unless there's irrefutable proof that the devs are racist A-holes, then I doubt it's as deep as you think it is.
The phrase "It ain't that deep" comes to mind, I doubt there really was even that much thought put into a lot of it as you yourself put it. Plus the VA's can't have minded too much or they wouldn't have taken the roles. Or it could even be that they made the characters black because they already had the VA's booked in.
I wanted to rewatch this video but I didn’t remember what the game was called, or what your channel was called so I just scrolled through all of the channels I’ve subscribed to just to watch this again.. put simply this video is great
36:28 But why are you saying that? Is that what a good husband does for you? Just feels off to say “He’s actually a pretty loyal husband, Must take it in the butt.”
I remember long ago someone told me this game is just "fables but with pikmin mechanics" and I can see the resemblance between the two. Except that at least in Fables, you can be a boy kissing boys
you have wonderful tastes and overlord is by far one of my favorite things if all time.not just games but overall i long for the day when more things like this exist.
Feels really odd for the game to just sort of throw Rose at you. The whole "mistress" mechanic imo would be better left as more of a side quest you can optionally delve into, but that you have to go a bit out of your way to do so.
Liked the video but couldn't finish it because the beeping of swears is so much jarringly louder than your speaking voice - it feels like a sonic flashbang every time happens and it's either I quiet the audio to lessen the shock (meaning I can't hear you), or I put the sound up so I can hear you (meaning I have to take the sonic jumpscare at full force)
Never played this game growing up but tonally it reminds me a lot of Destroy all Humans if it was fantasy instead of sci-fi... and if its plot was not centered around the protagonist's penis or lack thereof lmao
the first overlord is also probably Ruborian, hence the redish-brown skin and the large size. Jewel and Khan are obviously also Ruborians, its why they are so big. Same with the Assassins. You could look at Khan as being "angry black guy" but who were you gonna make the sin of Wrath, other than the 3+ meter tall plate armor wearing warrior?
Basically, you're evil no matter what, but you get to pick your flavour of evil. Dominating Lawful Evil (Darth Vadar); Or Psychopathic Chaotic Evil (Lord Voldemort). The Overlord games are pretty much the only games I've ever played that give you multiple types of evil paths to choose from outside of well made CRPGs (like Pathfinder WotR - Another game which gives you options for being Evil). With that said, get over the fat stuff already... being fat is a genuine health risk which will lead to Diabetes, Liver Damage, Kidney Damage, Circulatory Complications and Heart Disease. Statistics show that people who are overweight die young, at around the ages of 35 to 55 on Average. It is never acceptable or should be acceptable to harass people, abuse people or humiliate people for being overweight, but defending it and supporting their "right" to be overweight is equally damaging. We live in a society which thinks it is ok to criticize smoking now because of the health risks, wouldn't you consider it hypocritical to do that while also defending being overweight? Yeah, dwell on that can of logic for a while buddy. For all the "dated offensive humour" in this game, least they didn't include the overweight washed up hero with mouth breathing, gasping for air because their Heart is struggling. Which is something which every single person who is severely overweight has in common. Oh wait it didn't, you know why? Because in 2007 that would of been considered actually offensive, instead this game is about humour; So chill, thanks.
I think about 80% or so of your message is responding to a person you made up in your head. I don't think the person who made this video said a single thing you wouldn't have agreed with, at least in the fatphobia section. they said exactly what you said, overweight people shouldn't be ostracized (something which displaying them as grotesque, putrid piles of flesh does), but they never said anything to glorify overweight people, that was entirely you. an absence of a point, especially when that point is not necessary to the greater argument (i.e. "but we also should not glorify fat people"), does not mean the person arguing disagrees with said point. give the benefit of the doubt to people, and don't put words in their mouths, it'll make your arguments stronger in the long run, as well as open you up to more ideas.
Interesting one. Not sure if I would try it out, given that I'm more of a Dungeon Keeper (loving games, that allow me not only to build up a dungeon, but further to customize it and the inhabiting minions
I like a full evil run and oddly a no corruption run is also fun normally its one or the other with games i think besides kotr and bio shock this was one of the few games i played and was like.”now i want to try the other path.” 27:37
What rubs me the wrong way is how the message is that the "heroes" have been corrupted and now exhibit the 7 carnal sins and the game is diverse in that they have two black characters that are the heroes and you keep complaining that they are following the sin archetype that they have as if black people are somehow saints and can't express any of the 7 carnal sins. It feels to me that the one with the issue is not so much the game but rather it's projection.
Part of the problem is the *way* in which the black heroes are evil. For example, the "angry black man" trope is a cliche as old as chattel slavery that justifies violence against black men by calling them "savage" and saying that they are nothing but violent brutes. This belief is the driving force behind police brutality in real life. If the sin of sloth was given to a black character instead of wrath, that would be a more unique and less cliche idea, and less racist. The sin of envy is also a problem, as it positions any black people who complain about mistreatment as "just jealous" and silences the voices of black women. The idea of black villains is not in and of itself bad, it's about execution and not playing into specific stereotypes, not only because those stereotypes are racist, but *also* because those stereotypes make your work boring and unoriginal
@@annajensen7360 ye, definetly not tied to him being tank, if you really think about it every sin is kinda problem when they are black so maybe they should have ignor black people, all together just to not offend them. Or maybe you are reading too much into it and again the game is not the issue but rather it's projection. also Doom is anti imigrant game so fuck them. Nier automa is too much of male fantasy, So fuck them as well. Every game is just sexist white supremecy trash so fuck the whole business. It is what you make out of it buddy
@@positivexp1425 You're right, I was mostly just thinking about the depiction of the elf hero as being more depressed than exactly "lazy" so it didn't occur to me.
@@gumonyk bro, nobody actually thinks of doom as anti-immigrant, that was something basically made up by your side because you ran out of things to get loud about. As we all know, criticizing something is the EXACT SAME THING as destroying the entire business so all people with opinions should just shut up and enjoy the bad writing otherwise we hate all video games. Give me a break
I loved this game. Doing a 0% corruption run and being better than the so-called heroes, making the realms safe and prosperous is an amazing thing.
This franchise has been forgotten and its a crime.
i agree, i love this game
True enough I love this game series and I want new ones so bad.
Third game was a let down first had the best story for the ending
Agreed second favorite childhood game. The first was destroy all humans.
@@daltonsharp6254 Same here, destroy all humans was my childhood, i also enjoyed Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse, if you like destroy all humans you would enjoy that game.
Also elf guy was the only hero who wanted to save the overlord and even felt depressed about leaving his friend for dead
Overlord’s humor may have aged a bit but I like how they made the lust guy someone who actually PRACTICES lust, rather than someone who inspires lust like other “seven deadly sins” type things, y’know? I also think it’s kinda funny that the horrible plague turning everyone into zombies is basically a demonic STD, also, while Goldo’s fate in the abyss is pretty horrifying he totally deserves it
melvin is depicted as obease as its a mortal depiction of glutony not a immortal twisted monster of mytholagy,
depicting him as a monster instead of the common old times depiction of wealthy nobels gorged apon ill gotten gains wouldnt fit the story as well as its the mortal sin effecting melvin not him being twiated into a actual immortal monster.
as melvin is still human it makes sence to use the mortal depictiona of greed which is excess and glutony,
which they did more than well enough.
as for minons sexuality i always thought that as life force came from the overlord who harvests it,
hence minions requirment for a overlord,
that they would be reprisentative of there lord,
ie straight male then all minions would be straight males,
hence why i used to want to see a female overlord just to see the older minions bicker like old married couples from the shock of suddenly there being female minions.
Man, i played the absolute crap out of both games when i was a small homunculus. It breaks my heart that this series was forgotten.
On the subject of Gluttonous Beasts, Guillermo Del Toro's Pale Man springs to my mind as an interesting design featuring gluttonous symbolism. It's meant to look like a previously fatty creature that had starved long ago, even in the ancient murals in his lair the Pale Man is a creature of loosened skin. His eyes being in his hands could mean a blindness to anything he cannot possess and grasp in his claws, he cannot even partake of his own banquet because he only has eyes and appetite for flesh. He starves not for lack of food but for his tastes.
Interestingly Overlord was written by Rhianna Pratchett of Tomb Raider fame. I don't know how much creative freedom she had here though.
The 3rd overlord being Gomez to Rose being Morticia is perhaps the best description and best pick for this game.
at 15:30 I just want to throw it out there but close by there are is a small group of villagers talking about how they can't get rid of the overgrowth of the forest as cutting, chopping and *even burning* doesn't work
Poor Oberon; guy took a depression nap and got trapped in a nightmare.
I also really liked this game, even though I'm pretty sure my first run many years ago was rife with frustration and swearing, especially in the abyss segments. The color, levity, wanton violence, cartoonish approach to "evil" personified by Gnarl, and the story setup all come together to make something memorable.
Shame that every time I play it, something in the code apparently breaks. My last playthrough a few years ago had the minion controls partially borked and manually controlling them became REALLY finicky, and seeing what happened with your Jade chase makes me wonder if I'd even be able to finish it again.
I loved this franchise as a kid. I will admit some parts didn't age well, but a reboot could be amazing.
Oh definitely! Streamline some of the mechanics, elaborate on the story, retain a sense of humor, and it'll do gang busters!
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Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think this needs to be an actual open-world RPG.
I love the humour of this game, there is no other game like this except others in the series… no there was no overlord game after overlord 2.
This game should be remastered with bigger hoards and better graphics for funsies.
Two things you didn’t mention was the arena area and the forge where you can fight hoards of enemies and enchant your armour by sacrificing your minions.
The only issue I had with this game was that you had to be 100% Evil in order to get the, "Evil," ending. I did everything you were supposed to, except being unfaithful to Rose, because I wanted to be canonically accurate. So I got the, "Good (Bad?)" ending instead.
@@cooltrainervaultboy-39 I honestly think the canon ending is 100% corruption, including being with Velvet. Rose just decided to do some screwery with the Overlord's son and so she caused/assisted in causing the Great Cataclysm.
And Gnarl went along with it because it is better for the next Overlord's mental health. Can't have the Overlord going through a crisis when the Empire is about to be smashed
"im not unpacking im just throwing out the entire suitcase" has got to be the best way to put things out there ever. i swear to god. also the sins described were basically imposed versions by a cabal of elitists
I adore the company that made this game. They are more famous for their Age of Wonders series, but this particular game is my childhood
Is this...evil Pikmin
Evil Gamer™️ Pikmin
I kinda wish Envy was the british museum. Now that'd have been funny.
Yeah, gluttony as a cardinal sin never sat right with me.
The last time I checked, they already HAVE a vice centered around the mindless acquisition of resources at the expense of others…It’s called GREED.
Lust, Greed, and Gluttony in the classical sense are less distinct by what you do as they are in why you do it. The Seven Deadly Sins are a continuing historical legacy of Christian brainwashing, essentially. There were actually 9 and then 8 and then 7, as they kept folding them into simpler names.
In some of the earlier ones, sins included Sadness, Dejection, and Bragging as well as some of the others. Instead of "lust" they called out explicitly Prostitution. They were always centred in the specific perceived issues of their time.
Sadness was changed to Envy and Bragging folded into Pride. But the fact they were ever considered sinful shows the fundamental purpose of these lists. They are there to shame you for feeling things that powerful people didn't want you to feel. That's it.
There is no real consistency to the Cardinal Sins because they're inherently just a method of control that changes depending on what the "thinkers" writing them down want. If they become more empathetic to a specific sin it is downplayed.
Ever notice how Greed is the most sympathetic or least important one in most renditions of it these days? Like in FMA where he's explicitly heroic? I don't think it's a mistake that in the age of Capitalism we pretend Greed is more sympathetic.
@@MasoTrumoi Makes a lot of sense.
The black guy with the foreign accent (compared to the locals) was probably a traveler who liked the town and decided to set up shop there
So... Pikmin for adults?
Overlord is not very adult, to be honest. For teenagers maybe?
@@Propietario283no pikmin for family guys fans senhor!
Pikmin for people who *think* they're adults.
Man, I loved this when I was young. I loved the freedom of it.
That tirade on gluttony rich, coming from a pope who probably feasted every day.
I always got the vibe that when it came to the Overlord and his Mistresses it was like Goku and Chichi, especially abridged Goku and Chichi- iykyk
the Wizard wasn't their father, the Overlord was. That's why they work for him.
otherwise, good video! im really enjoying this channel so far
The corruption is the heedless excess all heroes are afflicted by. The hobbits, known for their love of good food, good drink and parties CANNOT be portrayed by gaunt figures because their corrupted trait isn't HUNGER, it is their love of all things fine that turns to GLUTTONEY ai excess eating, and no one get skinny from excess eating.
Everyone is being a caricature and your personal hang-ups is simply your own personal gripes, pretty telling by how much you don't even seem recognize the rest.
The minions are the perfect power fantasy underlings, they are gleefully obedient, fearlessly loyal, utterly disposable and most importantly, impotent admirers of your prestige.
That's why they are in love with the mistresses.
the telltale "personal gripes" could be a sense of humour that contrasts with something lowbrow/cliche.
Your explanation for the minion's love of the mistresses feels like a stretch. i see it more like the *perverted old man is harmless* joke you find in fantasy satire.
im all for a bit of satire but i dont appreciate most of the cynically insinuated stuff and sarcastic contempt and degradation of many things that seem innocent/arbitrary.
Maybe im too optimistic.
The race stuff and the tangential joke showing poor examples of Catholicism felt forced. im not catholic but it felt a bit ~nihilistic atheist knows best.
the fat jokes are painful!
I probably wouldnt like the fat boss if it was all about the gross stuff and lacking the cute roll attack. It's cute! >o>
the sexy mistress collecting is even more painful!
I think most sane kids would find it weird or awkward. Though, I must admit that the popularity of predictable "Harem" novels, especially those that still try to have a Gary Stu are a mystery to me.
@@gabbonoo No one in this game get any better treatment than any other, except for the Overlord and the Mistresses, the minions kill even each other for shits and giggles. If your complaint is that one specific group is being portrayed as just as useless and beneath the Overlord as everyone else, then it's a personal gripe.
It's not, since that trope doesn't fit with the younger minions being just as enamoured as Gnarl. My explanation isn't an in game explanation, it's a design explanation, because there is no in game and none is required. It's simply how things are, just like the houses with doors that can't be opened, sheep that respawn, the ground randomly burning forever and so on.
The whole race-rant is indeed a bit weird, since two out of four human heroes are black and the only non-corrupt leader (Archie in Spree) is a black man and has been *voted in* by the towns people and who's really the only nice and competent NPC in the region, but that goes unnoticed, which supports my theory about personal gripes rather than simply being annoyed at crude jokes in general.
Simply put, it's a cheeky power fantasy game filled with everything a power fantasy should have, overpowered violence, hot chicks fighting for your attention, riches, you being praised and worshiped every step of the way as you trample those before you and massive amounts of dark colours, spikes, steel and magic.
The Overlord has no face and no voice so the player can project onto the character, Khanlusa on the other hand isn't, she seem to change view of the Overlord from her avatar to a man, which makes sense as the male and female power fantasies aren't compatible, and she doesn't like what he does and wish for less male power fantasy and more female power fantasy of controlling the man that she at that point doesn't see as her avatar anymore, she start projecting onto the women, it's very interesting to see. This is all supported by her complete obliviousness that every (non boss) man has been portrayed as stupid, weak, incompetent and submissive through out the game up to the point of Heavens Gate; FemDom Edition (35:16 time stamp).
@@Ackalan many of the optimistic points you made *were* things i considered plausible. now im sceptical after watching the 2nd game.
@@gabbonoo How so?
@@Ackalan tripling down on the association of fat=contemptible and the collection of women with only cringe-worthy choices at many of the more interesting points in the story
I know the windigo doesn't look like the deer criptid but it does look really cool.
If you want a really loyal look to the mythos then play until dawn.
I'm pretty sure the whole "elves and dwarfs hate each other" thing isn't even a tolkein thing, like there's distrust but they don't sling slurs at each other like in the movies... Feel like its one of those things that just sort of happened from repeated mis-adaptations and other media that was inspired by it overdoing it, cultural game of telephone
Yeah it did always feel like a bit of Flanderization & from what I've read of Tolkiens work, there is some history of animosity but there is also history of friendship. The relationship between Gimli & Legolas always struck me as a rivalry, with no genuine hatred.
@@prettycoolguy3206 Gimli was 100% character assassinated in Jackson's adaptation and Legolas is insanely steelmanned. Their whole dynamic is completely flipped from how it is in the books.
@@QuestionableObject I've only read the Hobbit plus bits & pieces of the Silmarillion but I look forward to seeing how the fellowship was meant to be!
It appears to be essentially a classim thing by the Zeitgeist where elves got coded to high class and nature and dwarves to lower(often working) class and industry without much actual depth to the thought of what that characterization would mean or what historical origins. Like seriously so few ever seem to know the conditions in events like gold rushed that led to the stereotypes coded onto dwarves as miners or how exploitively horrible it was.
But yeah it's a simple stereotype that seems mostly post-Tolkien. The simarillion had some conflict with the Dwarves and Elves but it was highly specific and doesn't really match to the later coding
@@travislyonsgary There's more distrust and accusation towards the elves encountered from Borimir more than anyone, when they enter Lothlorien he's the one full of rumors and superstition surrounding them (rather than it being gimli as the movie tells it). And the first character to get upset about the patrol that finds them's terms for leading them to Galadriel is Legolas of all people, appalled that an elven prince like him would be blindfolded and it takes Aragorn's insistence to calm him down.
I'm not 100% on the whole classism thing, there's probably a ton of layers about the elf hate and dwarf love, cause dwarfs are often depicted as greedy to a fault, probably inspired by the Mines of Moria deal. Like elves are almost always depicted as "hoity toity tree lovers" in post-tolkien media which gets them lots of flak from the 2000s nerd culture which has layers of homophobia, "hippy hate" and some kind of weird protestant work ethic ideal that the elves are lazy, while dwarfs are rough, down to earth craftsmen, hard drinkers and fighters, admired for the reverse, being hyper masculine, industrious and anti-nature and hard working.
I have no idea where it started but I think it was fully solidified in "nerd" culture by Warhammer Fantasy Battles, and then further reinforced by all the media that copied that trend, Dwarf Fortress, the Jackson adaptations and all the media created from that (NEVER TRUST AN ELF), and then parroted on by Overlord and so-on...
Man I was in love with this game growing up, enjoyed the crude and crass humor. Really wish they did more in the series, wonder what a 3rd Overlord game could be
While I agree that, looking back to the 1st (and especially 2nd) Overlord games, there is definitely too much fat-jokes - the Melvin actually makes far more sense as this big fat halfling than sone thin mythological creature you've described in examples.
Later in th game, when you confront the Wizard "hero", that was the one who got possessed by the former slain Overlord's spirit and started corrupting the others to indulge in these sins, because "well, they're heroes and deserve it, right?".
Melvin is not some kind of magican embodiment of a curse of gluttony. He is just one of the heroes (halfling at that) that got consumed by this sin and indulged in it so much that it made the nearby villagers starve and himself to grow to such proportions that it looks like he'll burst if you kick him too harshly (which he does).
I think going for the thin scary mummified creature that is cursed to never feel sated woukd be more horror-esque, instead of sort of comedic (which this game aimed for).
Again - there is clearly a pattern of showing conventionally unattractive people in a negative light. But in this exact case - I think they did a good justice to gluttony sin. Maybe they should've not make Melvin into such big proportions that it looks unrealistic even for a big human such as Overlord to grow to that size, but that's it.
Granted, this was ruffly around the time where The Lord of the Rings was still in the Pop Cultural zeitgeist, and the fat hobbit trope was still cemented in everyone's mind.
When you described Gluttony, I thought about CV: Lords of Shadow.
There’s a sequence where Gabriel and Zobek confront a cowardly priest who holed himself in an area with a holy relic, revealed to be Holy Water. Its been a very long while, but I believe the two admonish the priest for his actions and how his covetous ways led to the villagers suffering from the predations of vampires and undead. Upon taking the vial, the priest attempts to take it back only for the two effectively ignore him.
When they leave, it’s revealed that there are vampires in the room and the cowardly priest’s fate is sealed. What sticks out to me about this is your description of the famine type spirits and horrors being emaciated and gaunt, something that is shared with the priest.
Granted, I could easily be reading too deeply into a game I haven’t played within years, but that scene really did stick out.
This doesn’t invalidate your criticism of the writing but overlord 1 & 2 were actually written by rhianna pratchett the daughter of terry pratchett
That's the wildest thing I've learned from this like what the fuck
@@khanlusa I know right? She is the writer for everything overlord. I looked it up to check if I wasn’t just misremembering after posting the comment and it’s still just a weird fact.
This game will always be the best and my favorite in my eyes. An underrated gem for sure
The only thing I will comment is the main listed "writers" for the game is actually one woman. Rhianna Pratchett - yes, related to Terry Pratchett.
That's honestly wild. I can see the similarities to Discworld's irreverent mockery of fantasy tropes, and Darwin award depictions of humanity. It's all a bit meaner, though, which is a shame and really bites the series in the sequel
Oh boy! pikmin D&D edition.
I honestly disagree with all the criticism of your criticism of Melvin, but i think it would have been received better if you'd given a suggestion of somehow a better way greed could have been implemented.
*gluttony, but I agree. All of the heroes fell to some sort of evil, and this is just how they portrayed it. Honestly, I don't have an issue with Melvin. After all, could anyone really dispute that he had engaged in gluttonous behavior, that a paragon of good had fallen so low? The dude didn't simply eat a lot, or enjoy eating a lot, he ate to the point where a short and small halfling dwarfed the height of the impressive Overlord, and was *still* eating as if he was starving. Literally having his lackies go out and rob and pillage just to feed him. This isn't merely a fat guy (compare him to the empire citizens in the second game. They are obese), he is absolutely ENORMOUS.
I think it is funny that your solution to "fatphobia" is to go in the opposite direction and make fun of skinny people when, as you pointed out - it is no less common a trope. The reason skinny people get represented as gluttonous is because they are *starving*. How is that any less "problematic"? I'd say it is more-so.
(Rose probably knows loosely where her sister is and what she is up to, siblings are often good at guessing eachother's minds.) Also the point of Heaven's Peak is that William has become so debaucherous that mortal pleasures can't satisfy him anymore. That's the point of all the heroes - they were goaded into something seemingly innocuous until it consumed them. Kind of how corruption happens irl. No one wakes up and says "I feel like making the world worse" they go down a path they think is mostly harmless until they get in over their heads.
The dark lord has a mistress, this will paint a very bad light of the evil overlord of sin and slaughter - how ever will his PR ever recover?
I like how even when there is a boss that is almost aimed at making you feel good for putting him down, you still find a reason to complain.
Your complaint about a minority getting a role as villain's is so... I don't know where to start. If they had been ANY of the 7 sins you would have found a reason to complain on this front.
I get that you say that you "like this game". If this is your "like" I'd hate to see you "hate" or even "dislike" something. You probably think that is unfair but most of the video is you complaining or taking pot-shots.
This comment probably sounds pretty confrontational, sadly I can't think of a better way to express my thoughts on the matter. Hope you have a nice day.
What the game did WAS making fun of fat people. The real life religions aren’t making fun of skinny people when they have a guy who can never eat or drink be emaciated because he fed his son to the Greek pantheon
And? I don't recall saying they were not making fun of being morbidly obese. And we are talking about a comedy game - in order to make your vision come to life in this context you would have had to make fun of someone skinny as a rail.@@healgoth
I thought the same thing. Like damn you took the halfling being fat personally
38:02 Honestly with the writers they had it's probably better they didn't try to portray the creepy little dudes as gay lol 😅
Yeah, you right 😭
even since i was a little lad I have been infected by this franchise, spawning a decade long special interest. I think about this game literally every day, the good and the bad heh. I am a bit sleep deprived as I am writing this but its amazing to hear someone review the game and acknowelege all the sexism, fatphobia and racism in it (as much as I love people liking it, this makes me feel less alone in noticing the bigotry), so thank you! I think it would be great to have these characters being expanded upon beyond their stereotypes and tropes(example velvet and rose, i love exploring sibling dynamics but the developers fucked it up by making their values based on purity culture blehh). Oh seeing this just made my day ahhh!!!!!!!!And in a video essay format too...Ough my heart.
That bit about how the mc is considered evil for fixing things instead of maintaining the status quo sounds like the anthesis of the dragons dogma anime. I wish that wasn't the first thing that came to mind but whatever
Did you actually watch the show or just watch Mother's Basement's video about it? I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion, I haven't watched the show myself thanks to how universally it was banned, but I'm curious if someone else independently came to such a similar opinion.
@YumLemmingKebabs no it was just the mother basement episode. I don't think i could sit through the show myself without going mad and throwing my console out a window
@@randomperson2235 Better defenestrate your console than yourself. Have you played the game? It's a lot better than what I've heard the show is.
@YumLemmingKebabs i have not, but i probably should. That or i should at least play the new one when its fixed. If its ever fixed
Nice to vicariously experience these older games without suffering myself. Much as i love your wow stuff this is a nice breakaway from that and quite interesting seeing older games through a modern lense and seeing how well they have aged....plus this was fking funny to watch you were on fire with the memes in this without it being overbearing. Thank you for sharing
jksadgkj thank you I worried at points with the memes like "is this too much??" but I'm glad it was just enough 🙌😂
Damn now I feel dumb I made a comment and deleted it because I didn't want yet another argument in my notifications but all I had was a nice reply from the creator. (saw it afterwards in notifications)
Maybe I should be less cynical lmao. Anyway great vid.
Overlord 1 & 2 are great games wish we got new ones.
We did we got the god awful Overlord fellowship of evil 🤮
this game kinda has Pikmin vibes
I'm glad you're finding your way in other content now.
Even if you don't go back to making WoW videos, I just want to let you know your videos inspired me to give my own try at giving the TBC story a go through an RPG campaign I decided to start soon.
This has definitely been less stressful/draining to work on, but I will enjoy poking at WoW writing on my own time (like fics and such again.) I hope you enjoy creating your story and I'm glad to have inspired, thank you 🥺
Liked this video so much I'm watching it a second time, lol. I should probably just get around to playing the game again.
Playing overlord 2 rn as listening to this
You missed pretty much all of the mythology references/humour related in this game, like in the case of Melvin for example, Gronhild is a pagan demon that Lucifer condemned to eternities of suffering eating his own flesh until he exploded just to be reborn again for the same purpose, just to name one. xD its not 2000s misyginistic galore game as you put it, and i get it, you like it but the perception you`re giving is from a 2020s person and likely so its painfully apparent, its hard to find info about this game but there is an intervew with the dev where they pretty much shit on the plot bc for them it was just for laughs and they put all of the references between various mythologys and early 00s cringy/edgyness in a humour fantasy setting, sadly I couldn't find it.
The game is made just for you to enjoy and have a laugh xD and if people get offended, well that`s life xD
I 100% agree
Spoilers
I thought you were hero who fell to pride during original boss fight and other heros fell to there own sins after there was no fights left
*Their
... I would assume the difference between the spells probably has something to do with the Mother Goddess, whose good and her forgotten ex-husband who's bad.
I wonder if the developers played dragonlance, the elven hero's nightmare is very much like a similar thing that happens in it. An elven king gets corrupted by a powerful mystical artifact that makes his nightmares into reality and an evil dragon that whispers into his ear.
The German voice over is at least on the same level if not better! I
I agree, being 100% evil in the game is the best way to play. Be the Villain you were meant to be in the game. God Bless. 😎👍🙏
Glad to see you cover this, this alongside Warcraft 3 ignited my love of video games and i still love it despite all the jank
Oh yeah, like I said in the video despite its issues I had a good time with this game 😂
I remember buying this as a young lad and thinking the game was broken on the "lovk on" fireball segment. When i got a second copy i realised thr problem xD
I am dumb, what is the symbolism behind the banners of the horny paladin?
I don't know if it's just me but I looks like the female genitalia
google yonic
A part of my brain remembers that there was a way (with a lot of gold) to "romance" both mistresses in the first overlord. But that may be just my plastic memory.
Never did play the Raising Hell expansion because I didn't have infinite money back then and I only bought the base game. That physical disc could still be around somewhere.
Not quite, you can only get multiple mistresses in the second game. The thing you're thinking of is unlocking the sex "scene"(they don't show anything) for both in one playthrough. Each of the two mistress options have different decoration options associated with them that you can choose from, and both women are only willing to put out if you bought enough of their flavor of decorations for the tower. Even if you bang both though, you can only have one at a time occupying the Tower. Kinda weird that there's no penalty for switching back and forth a bunch of times. Also even if Rose is presented as the more sentimental and less materialistic of the two, she waits to put out until you buy her enough shiny things just like her "gold digger" sister, if I remember right. It wasn't mentioned in this video, but there were other things unmentioned also.
For me, when I played the first game, I was a tad annoyed that I don't get the full evil look until the very end and on the way to the final boss.
Fallout 76 does a great job at portraying wendigo. Skeletal, stooped stature, distended belly, a terrible scream. Horrorifying too be sure. They lighten the horror by providing screws as loot.
... Because their screws are loose...
I remember my older brother getting this game on a road trip and the during the drive I always read the back of it.
He later give it to me as I always play it.
I later got part Two(which i enjoy)
The things that got me to love this games is the soundtrack(the combats ones) and the minions.
I wish we get a remake for these games or a part three.
So... You're wrong about the halfling and his depiction. All the myths you cited are not about gluttony or even sin. They are at their heart creatures borne of starvation and the bad karma, vibes, or juju associated with the act of dying in the anguish of hunger. The Wendigo in particular holds and interesting place here because it plays to the darkness of succumbing to feral hunger and committing cannibalism, which was an extreme taboo in many of the Native American cultures and points to a dark time in our people's communal history.
By contrast, the Sin of Gluttony is about taking too much and the bad energy associated with that, the natural consequence of which is what is depicted. Turning into a fat disgusting blob that doesn't fit into normal sized clothed and always demands more. Gluttony isn't about unsatisfied hunger. It's about satisfying that hunger and then wanting more. It's about excess and excess is not thin and emaciated. It's not about starvation or famine by twist of fate. It is about the choice to be a fat grubbing hedonist about food. That's why in more modern interpretations stuff like the "The food can't taste good" is ignored, because you don't have to contact a witch or go on crusade for spices any more, but the temtation to always grab for the next plate is always there.
I am not going to unpack the rest of this video's suitcase other than by saying two things.
1. Not everything is race.
2. Play woke games win woke prizes.
I’m just going to pick apart this argument like I’m deboning a slab of meat.
1. As someone who has heard multiple retellings of what the Wendigo is supposed to be about I can say for certain that the Wendigo spirit isn’t about starvation, it’s about greed. The story of the Wendigo has always been a cautionary tale against taking too much without giving back and trying to survive all on your lonesome when humans as a species thrive in groups and social circles. The entire point of the Wendigo is to teach people what happens when you give into- oh, what else? *Greed and gluttony*. The Wendigo is not just a feral beast like depicted in anglicized depictions, it is a creature of greed and excess, always wanting for more, never being satisfied. It is so explicitly cruel and inhuman that it’s greatest trademark is succumbing to one of society’s greatest taboos; cannibalism. Such an immoral act serves to punctuate the Wendigo as being a creature of evil, greed, and wanton gluttony. It is good to approach the stories of the Wendigo with sympathy and empathy for those who have utterly no choice but to cannibalize in order to survive, but to approach the spirit of this monster with anything but fear is a disrespect to both the moral lesson it’s rooted in, and the communities that it comes from.
So, yes, at the end of the day, equating greed and gluttony to the Wendigo is appropriate, it is in fact the most appropriate as the Wendigo is specifically seen as a spectre of greed, the haunting destruction caused by over-indulgence. To equate the Wendigo as little more than a “feral beast” that “eats because it’s hungry” is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Wendigo is.
@@HarleenHarpeYou are patently incorrect. The wendigo is the spirit of people who choose cannibalism in extreme survival situations, particularly in winter, where the choice is starve or eat people. You are confusing multiple other myths with the Wendigo. It isn't a moral lesson about greed. It's a primal terror of cannibal tribes in times of winter starvation dating back to the ice age. It is a fear from the dawn of man on the North American continent that is replicated in a wide variety of traditions across the oldest tribes. It doesn't eat because it's hungry. It eats because it now has a hunger that can never be sated because it succumbed to extreme starvation and now carries a corruption from that act. It's basically a corrupted human turned eldritch horror.
Gay black guy speaking here. This game is not trying to be a social commentary, nor does it portray itself as anything other than a silly over the top comedic game. Sensitive people shouldn't play games like this and I mean that with utmost respect. You'll just annoy yourself and ruin the experience for others. This is why things are massively censored today, media like this should exist and allowed to be funny.
@@56sketch ya, im gonna be honest im only gonna watch the first section. This game feels like someone looked at the lord of the rings and the seven deadly sins and mashed them. Of course the hobbit is fat, they have a schedule with like 8 different meal times on it. Its just crude humor and if you laugh you laugh and if you dont you dont. No need to complain about gluttony not mecessarily meaning being fat.
They did actually remake blazing saddles, but not the way you would think. Watch a movie called Paws of Fury.
Aside from that, i loved this game when it came out.
Enjoyed this game when I was like 13, I was basicly exactly the audience you described. Unfortunately never got past the zombie infested sewers. Kept farming up browns and blues and trying to make it work, no cigar. I was good except I kept farming the village and terrorizing the hell out of it. So not really very good. Thanks for the vid! Never bothered to beat this game, don't think I ever will but this one was fun to watch. Hope to see more! Been watching a couple of your old WoW vids and I enjoyed those but I'm pleased to see you moving forward with this kind of content, I love coverage of these kind of older games.
I'm with you there, I enjoyed it as well at that age, and I still enjoyed the game now, just with a very different lens and a handful of caveats lol
I remember the sewers tripping me up when I was younger as well, I eventually managed to get passed them and then I remember getting absolutely stuck at the Ruborian Desert and never advancing to the endgame so this time around was far less frustrating.
And thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it 😄
Just be glad this game wasn't made during Kanye's villain arc
On the point of the Mistress bit, doesnt the title make more sense since you are playing as THE OVERLORD. As in no one is equal to you.
Also it overall looks like the 'heroes' you fight initially indulged in something and simply got worse from corruption. Theres nothing wrong with enjoying food if Tolkien's Hobbits are anything to go off but Melvin looks like what happens is you let it get the extremities. The Elf guy in the forrest sat down for nap and something probably clung onto him in order to leech off of him. Thats looks like why he hasnt been able to wake up, something or corruption of sorts.
all the Heroes are literally the 7 Deadly Sins.
So you were on to something because when this game came out we weren't too far removed from Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy and many of the characters and sets in the first game very much pull from that. Go back and watch the films then stack them up to the bosses and other characters and tell me this isn't if Sharon survived as a spirit over took Gandalf then started corrupting our heros and others with the deadly sins from Christianity.
I love that you love this game I'm a diehard fan I know it's your opinion about Melvin (as that's as far as I'm at rn I'll reply to each one in case you care about my opinion) I think since it was an old fantasy game greed would be most associated to the British history as king Henry the (fat one) and since spree is mocking britannia with the teeth of the farmers as well it makes sense why gluttony represents a king that's big just like king Henry anyway good video so far just my different takes oki!!!
Okay so ever night missed detail it was on fire because the spree farmers set it on fire as shown in the cutscene it but it's hard to get it to play sadly so you might be missed it and yes the voice acting is bad I knowwww but remember gnarl voice is worth the rest of the bad voice acting!! Makes khan angy!!! Yes khan wasn't as good of wrath...
The thing about the girls being trophies kinda fits the whole overlord part like he's an overlord imo he doesn't care about others it's to fulfill the whole the fantasy of me evil!!! BTW this is all my opinion
Yes ruboria sucked with the bones to explode and jewels capture sucked nothing else to say
You cannot cancel a game that’s been out for close to 17 years. Just saying.
Not sure if meme or serious.
But just in case: May I refer you to the intro
@daanstrik4293 I think the statement was more of "Bold of you to think you could cancel a game this old". Mostly due to it isn't in any limelight or popular ao it does npt really matter.
Gay minions would be so much funnier than attracted to women minions, especially if it was revealed abruptly.
I feel gachimuchi potential there.
ngl, Wrath wasn't what came to mind when you mentioned a Succubus
Right???
I loved this game back in the day!
I appreciate the well formated and edited review -- clearly there was some effort behind this video. And I like that this game is still getting some attention after all thsese years.
However criticising Melvin for being portrayed as this massive vile ball of fat and then going on what feels like a 5 minute tangent complaining why the devs didn't go for some more deeper, naunced theological or mythological inspirations for the potryal of gluttony strikes me as highly pretentious.
I'm sure you and anyone whos played or even seen Overlord gameplay can tell that the game is suposed to be very on the nose with the way it shows evil and ect. It's much like Fable in that sense.
Melvins portrayal is not fatphobic in any way at all, and as I kid I saw clearly that this was a very on the nose representation of his greed and consumption of resources at the expense of others. If it were perhaps a more serious game I'd perhaps agree -- but even then this more physical potrayal is used in seminal pieces of literature like Dune, where the Baron Harkonnen is shown to be a fat man who needs suspensors to carry him -- however Herbet doesn't stop there, he goes further to show how ultimately the Baron is cold, calculating and ultimately incredibly greedy.
Tbh I don't even agree with this concept of fatphobia to begin with -- at least not the way you seem to understand it. Its not a good thing to fat at all (much like the game portrays) as it is GENERALLY reflective of one's character, however I think any normal person with an iota of kindness within them knows that berating someone over fatness is unjust and plain rude -- someone's fatness can be due to things like disease, genetic conditions or even a mental illness -- Melvin however has none of these things hence doesn't deseverve that sympathy.
I also don't entirely agree with the Wrath and Jewel cristism either.
Honestly, as a kid I never saw this as problematic -- I just saw them as evil characters rsther than some stayement that the game was trying to make about black people. Heck, If were to look into it deeper from a racial perspective like you did, swapping the race of both of them with white people could be just as "problematic". Given your accent I'm assuming you're likewise a denizen of this rainy nation of tea and crumpets, so unless you grew up in a very isolated community you'll probably be aware of the stereotypes Polish people get -- i.e being thieves, domestic abusers and criminals in general.
Heck, if you made Jewel and Wrath any type of Asian or Arab, there's also a stereotype of domestic violence and for those ethnicities as well.
My point is, unless there's irrefutable proof that the devs are racist A-holes, then I doubt it's as deep as you think it is.
The phrase "It ain't that deep" comes to mind, I doubt there really was even that much thought put into a lot of it as you yourself put it. Plus the VA's can't have minded too much or they wouldn't have taken the roles. Or it could even be that they made the characters black because they already had the VA's booked in.
I wanted to rewatch this video but I didn’t remember what the game was called, or what your channel was called so I just scrolled through all of the channels I’ve subscribed to just to watch this again.. put simply this video is great
I loves this game as a little kid i used to play it with my sister on our xbox360
Oh man please please please play Overlord: dark legend!! It’s by far the best of the Overlord games :)
I freaking loved dark legends as a kid, agreed in being by far the best of the series. But I don't know if the games aged well.....
@@civilvaril1181they could have certainly aged better, but afaik dark legend aged the best
36:27 God I wish that was me
Was angry black man a trope ?………..I guess it kinda was huh
Loved this game as a kid haha, this and fable all day
34:52 is a feeling of pain
36:28 But why are you saying that? Is that what a good husband does for you?
Just feels off to say “He’s actually a pretty loyal husband, Must take it in the butt.”
Its fun thats why XD
Great game, to bad Overlord 2 wasn’t quite as nice.
I used to absolutley love these games, I think I first had the one for Nintendo Wii of all things.
I remember long ago someone told me this game is just "fables but with pikmin mechanics" and I can see the resemblance between the two. Except that at least in Fables, you can be a boy kissing boys
Had to pull up to the atic for this one i always wondered who else enjoyed this game🤝🤷♂️
8:50 Oh, that's why the british eat like that.
I’ve never seen this game before, but it seems like pikmin would be an apt comparison for this.
EEEEEEEVIL Pikmin
you have wonderful tastes and overlord is by far one of my favorite things if all time.not just games but overall i long for the day when more things like this exist.
Feels really odd for the game to just sort of throw Rose at you. The whole "mistress" mechanic imo would be better left as more of a side quest you can optionally delve into, but that you have to go a bit out of your way to do so.
Is this just edgy Pikmin?
Honestly that's a pretty apt comparison
Great video!!
Thank
Liked the video but couldn't finish it because the beeping of swears is so much jarringly louder than your speaking voice - it feels like a sonic flashbang every time happens and it's either I quiet the audio to lessen the shock (meaning I can't hear you), or I put the sound up so I can hear you (meaning I have to take the sonic jumpscare at full force)
Sorry about that 😅
This was a great game i bought both mainline games and loved being a villian
Oh, Overlord's definitely getting pegged!
I like this. Thank you
Never played this game growing up but tonally it reminds me a lot of Destroy all Humans if it was fantasy instead of sci-fi... and if its plot was not centered around the protagonist's penis or lack thereof lmao
That's a pretty apt comparison actually 😁😁
if possible you should also review overlord: dark legend, i think it's a wii exclusive so you might have to emulate it
the first overlord is also probably Ruborian, hence the redish-brown skin and the large size. Jewel and Khan are obviously also Ruborians, its why they are so big. Same with the Assassins. You could look at Khan as being "angry black guy" but who were you gonna make the sin of Wrath, other than the 3+ meter tall plate armor wearing warrior?
Basically, you're evil no matter what, but you get to pick your flavour of evil. Dominating Lawful Evil (Darth Vadar); Or Psychopathic Chaotic Evil (Lord Voldemort). The Overlord games are pretty much the only games I've ever played that give you multiple types of evil paths to choose from outside of well made CRPGs (like Pathfinder WotR - Another game which gives you options for being Evil).
With that said, get over the fat stuff already... being fat is a genuine health risk which will lead to Diabetes, Liver Damage, Kidney Damage, Circulatory Complications and Heart Disease. Statistics show that people who are overweight die young, at around the ages of 35 to 55 on Average. It is never acceptable or should be acceptable to harass people, abuse people or humiliate people for being overweight, but defending it and supporting their "right" to be overweight is equally damaging. We live in a society which thinks it is ok to criticize smoking now because of the health risks, wouldn't you consider it hypocritical to do that while also defending being overweight? Yeah, dwell on that can of logic for a while buddy.
For all the "dated offensive humour" in this game, least they didn't include the overweight washed up hero with mouth breathing, gasping for air because their Heart is struggling. Which is something which every single person who is severely overweight has in common. Oh wait it didn't, you know why? Because in 2007 that would of been considered actually offensive, instead this game is about humour; So chill, thanks.
I think about 80% or so of your message is responding to a person you made up in your head. I don't think the person who made this video said a single thing you wouldn't have agreed with, at least in the fatphobia section.
they said exactly what you said, overweight people shouldn't be ostracized (something which displaying them as grotesque, putrid piles of flesh does), but they never said anything to glorify overweight people, that was entirely you. an absence of a point, especially when that point is not necessary to the greater argument (i.e. "but we also should not glorify fat people"), does not mean the person arguing disagrees with said point.
give the benefit of the doubt to people, and don't put words in their mouths, it'll make your arguments stronger in the long run, as well as open you up to more ideas.
@@mogim815 Trying to gaslight me is like screaming into the wind. I suggest you piss off.
You're right. This game is just old humour, and there is no need to criticise it as if it's deathly offensive.@@foxdavion6865
literally nobody is glorifying fatness. You're fighting intangible shadows dude
@@annajensen7360 Are you a bot? I think you are.
Interesting one. Not sure if I would try it out, given that I'm more of a Dungeon Keeper (loving games, that allow me not only to build up a dungeon, but further to customize it and the inhabiting minions
I like a full evil run and oddly a no corruption run is also fun normally its one or the other with games i think besides kotr and bio shock this was one of the few games i played and was like.”now i want to try the other path.” 27:37
What rubs me the wrong way is how the message is that the "heroes" have been corrupted and now exhibit the 7 carnal sins and the game is diverse in that they have two black characters that are the heroes and you keep complaining that they are following the sin archetype that they have as if black people are somehow saints and can't express any of the 7 carnal sins.
It feels to me that the one with the issue is not so much the game but rather it's projection.
Part of the problem is the *way* in which the black heroes are evil. For example, the "angry black man" trope is a cliche as old as chattel slavery that justifies violence against black men by calling them "savage" and saying that they are nothing but violent brutes. This belief is the driving force behind police brutality in real life. If the sin of sloth was given to a black character instead of wrath, that would be a more unique and less cliche idea, and less racist. The sin of envy is also a problem, as it positions any black people who complain about mistreatment as "just jealous" and silences the voices of black women. The idea of black villains is not in and of itself bad, it's about execution and not playing into specific stereotypes, not only because those stereotypes are racist, but *also* because those stereotypes make your work boring and unoriginal
Typically black ppl are also stereotyped as being lazy so IDK if sloth would really be in anyway less prejudice...
@@annajensen7360 ye, definetly not tied to him being tank, if you really think about it every sin is kinda problem when they are black so maybe they should have ignor black people, all together just to not offend them. Or maybe you are reading too much into it and again the game is not the issue but rather it's projection. also Doom is anti imigrant game so fuck them. Nier automa is too much of male fantasy, So fuck them as well. Every game is just sexist white supremecy trash so fuck the whole business. It is what you make out of it buddy
@@positivexp1425 You're right, I was mostly just thinking about the depiction of the elf hero as being more depressed than exactly "lazy" so it didn't occur to me.
@@gumonyk bro, nobody actually thinks of doom as anti-immigrant, that was something basically made up by your side because you ran out of things to get loud about. As we all know, criticizing something is the EXACT SAME THING as destroying the entire business so all people with opinions should just shut up and enjoy the bad writing otherwise we hate all video games. Give me a break
Ah yes overlord! My beloved