Hey, I'm King Arthur. I figured I should comment on the match. I have no idea what I was thinking going for the com tower so early, I would be much better capping the city. I lost atleast 3k for no reason. In general my early game here was very below average, you pointed out how I had no idea where to move my tanks (I would move it into the center and then back), my capture game could have been better and I did not see the Neotank coming. I probably could have punished it but the element of surprise got me and I got into huge trouble. The two artillery you built in the South also did a great job assisting your push. Honestly you should have won this game just from the early game, but then you started to make some big mistakes. First of all you started to position your artillery very badly in the South, you even mentioned one of the times where I got to hit your 6hp Neotank for free, and that was the worst one but you also left your infantry out of range so I could get a lot of free hits with my units and it's the only reason why I didn't die immediately in the south. However I was forced to build neotanks in the south, so I couldn't build anything in the north which led to me having to retreat as eventually all I had left was an artillery and Infantry, so even though you made mistakes you were still winning in the middle game. But then came the middle game mistakes which allowed me to equalize and win As you pointed out you just completely threw away the north with two very bad pushes, which I punished very well However I will say the way I handled the South also wasnt perfect, I didn't realize we were heading to an HQ rush so I thought I had to capture the city there and so I pushed during my superpower but I just ended up getting counter attacked for even worse You mentioned running out of vision in the north but it was actually way worse in the South for me, I could not see anything which is the main reason why I could not stop you capturing my hq I had 3 Neo tanks and an artillery but could not see anything. In fact it was actually impossible for me to interrupt your capture in the last turn because I did not have vision of the Infantry I would have to kill. However my push in the north saved me because you were pretty crippled following the 2 bad pushes and you also built a very bad bomber The third bomber you built was so bad I think it was the nail in the coffin First of all, you built it, moved it south, then moved it into the center to interrupt a meaningless capture and then it was late to help the north so it really didn't do anything at all in terms of combat. However what was even worse is that the turn you built it you didn't build anything in the north because you didn't have enough money, which is just devastating. If you had built a unit there instead it would have been much harder for me to capture your HQ, in fact even if you just built an infantry your vision problems would have been much better. Apart from that I felt very happy with my deleting Black Boat play, the first time I've actually found a use for deleting a unit. Also the weirdly aggressive infantry attacks I did was because I needed to get my power that turn. Finally if you built a pipe runner a turn earlier you could have actually interrupted my hq capture. Now of course if I saw you do that I probably would have built one myself and interrupted your capture and then I think I still would have won but that would have been a funny ending because building a pipe runner is the best move there lol Anyways this was a very fun match, probably the closest you've ever got to beating me because you had the advantage most of the time, but I just managed to close out the win.
I think just the fact that this map is huge, and as Mangs had said, lots of crucial different decision making points, making it hard to focus on each one. This makes everrything hard to keep track of, and considering AWBW is extremely slow, it amplifies the indecisions, further increases the chance of making mistakes. Did you play this game real-time? Again, as usual, everything is visible in hindsight, but thanks a lot man, and it’s always fun to watch your, and Mangs’ battles!
"The year is 20XX. Everyone plays Neotanks at TAS levels of perfection. Because of this, the winner of a match depends solely on who can get 22,000G first. "The Coinflip metagame has evolved to ridiculous levels due to the extra infantry being the only remaining factor to decide matches"
This shift in the meta has also further cemented Hachi's standing as the Number 1 CO, with his reduced deployment costs often allowing him to obtain the first Neotank of the match, resulting in his inevitable victory. The small but very vocal few who disagree with the current meta, dubbed "Colin Mains", proclaim that the boy in blue is superior to the merchant, due to his even lower deployment costs. However, at TAS level, Hachi is actually able to deploy his Neotank on the same turn as Colin. And thanks to the rich kid's reduced firepower, more often than not, he loses the Neotank mirror match, and subsequently, loses the battle entirely.
@@khaos4965 True, but some players are attempting to use Jugger, Flak and Nell as counters to Hachi, by luring Hachi and his Day 5 neotank and attacking it with 2 Infantries and 2 mechs (all 4 need to be max damage rolls) this is the only way to stop Hachi without using Colin.
Mangs doesn't mind getting repairs, so long as they are done on the front lines. Mangs is against pulling them so far back that they're out of commission for 5-6 turns doing nothing but sapping income.
@@MOORE4U2 Yeah, nowadays. But, just as he said multiple times in the past that neotanks weren't worth it, he used to say that you should never repair units. (an example can be found in his dual strike tier list) And whenever he repaired units in his matches he used to say "Now, normally I would never recommend sending units to get repairs, BUT" So, just as the "neotanks are not worth it" his rejection of repairs but regular use of them is just another meme
I know it’s kinda overmemed at this point, but «Chadder» using neo tanks are awesome Also, the new commander explanation screen is, in my opinion, much better and cleaner than the previous ones
From the opponent's perspective, this probably felt like a campaign mission… Jess, building tanks, against the Black Hole Army and its surprise Neotank fleet
Really, kudos to the folks who made AWBW. It's so nice to see competitive Advance Wars plays (even if a match lasts longer than an AOE2 match) Thanks for the commentary as usual, Mangs!
@@audiosurfarchive I'm convinced it's because it's keeping AW relevant until reboot camp is out. It'll probably be hit by DMCA a week before reboot camp.
@@DrDrao Christ, I really oughta play more. They'd totally fucking do that too. And i doubt the MP is gonna bw worth a shit; not a worthy successor to AWBW.. *AND THEN THEY'LL JUST LET IT DIE AGAIN BY NOT GIVING A SHIT FOR POST-LAUNCH SUPPORT AND BALANCE/STABILITY*
@@audiosurfarchive On one hand, I hope it doesn't happen. On the other hand, it's basically inevitable. The only site I know of that's survived the release of a new game is showdown, and that's only because it's Pokemon. Everyone buys Pokemon. On the plus side, you could change the cos to be distinguishable from the originals, and you should be fine. You could keep the mechanics and units, just get rid of the cos for a fan made roster. It could help with rebalancing and such, too.
Your mental state after the match is very good, everything is a learning opportunity Some suggestions: There's nothing wrong with Contesting the Center, but if you're going to do it, don't half ass it. You said it yourself, there are three points of contention on this map, when that's the case you better be active on all three at once. If your forces cannot cover all three fronts it means you're overextending on one or more of them. The first turn lander play is fine, but if you want movement economy you should try to ship two infantry at a time. As you mentioned, the Transport Copters were less valuable on the northern front because of your free lander, but that lander better be putting in work. That unit is more than a glorified infantry shuttle, by loading vehicles you can create flanking maneuvers or simply extend the mobility of your vehicles and move quickly from the top and middle sections of the map. Your use of indirects was better than you give yourself credit. Managing their positioning is one of, if not the hardest part of aw pvp. Just never forget just how expensive Rockets are, they are usually built as the death knell for the enemies once your front lines are solid enough to guarantee their safety. And rather than thinking about how much Value units trade, it's better to think about units as whether or not they've succeeded in their jobs. Artillery succeed by destroying enemies who overextend, but they also succeed by driving enemies away from key locations to secure properties, one of those things is easy to place a numeric value for, but the other could be even more valuable in the long run. There's no rush to secure hits with indirects, remember that every quiet turn where the enemy cannot detect your indirects is another turn where they get more impatient. Once you have an econ lead, the onus is on them to make the offensive play, hopefully into your trap. On the flip side, you needed recons. This map has mountains for infantry scouting, but they are spread out and without adequate transport support it's hard to maintain a full vision spread with just infantry alone. You don't need many of them, and they don't need to be built at the start of the match, but just remember that as your light tank count drops (as you tech into Mds or Neos) the value of recons steadily rises. As an off hand rule for myself I place a phantom 3000 funds value on a recon for each Md/Neo it is providing vision for (so for a force of 1 recon and 6 Neos, I value the recon as much as the neotanks and will protect it accordingly. I will even play into the that value for enemy forces and will sometimes make unusual sacrifices to secure recon kills. Teching up, I think Arthur kind of got dragged into your pace when you rushed the early Neos as he started doing cranking out heavy units too, but this can get you punished very easily. On a map with 3 fronts, overloading your funds into one of them sacrifices ground elsewhere. Even when your funds break into the mid 20k range you need to keep aware of the total map state and which areas matter most (this is where the standard AW ai falls flat on its face). My default approach is that after reaching 19k+ daily funds on a 4 production map (3 factory 1 airport) my standard build is B-copter, 2 infantry, and 1 Arti/Tank/AA. The remaining funds I let pool. When my opponent reveals their hand I use pooled funds to pivot into my immediate answers, trading my infantry build slots for whatever is needed. On the average, I don't even build Md and Neos unless the map is very high funds or I'm starting up my big push The AW Weapon Triangle of Tank B-Copter AA makes up the core of most pvp matches. I think this is where you get tripped up in matches against the top ends of the ladder when you typically don't have enough tanks or b-copters to control space and vision. Remember there's tons of ways to counter units like Mds and Neos. If you take air superiority (which is easy against Jess) B-copters are adequate for countering her neo tanks. When she responds with AA, you field more light tanks to out maneuver and neutralize them. Forcing her to match copters or reduce her tank/arti count for AAs suppresses the value of her day to day and powers. Somewhat surprisingly with Adder (and actually most COs) you can win most matches by just being tank and b-copter dominant in the early game in fog matches. I tend to find that the reason for this is that B-copters are comparatively more "tanky" than AA at roughly the same cost since they don't have to fear indirect fire (unless some psycho fields Missiles) and their place on the 'weapon triangle' gives them significant resistance to tank/md/neos, they have more units they have advantages against, which is why they tend to be more frequently produced than AA. This loops back to the Unit Count rule of thumb in that every production property should try to deploy units every turn, obviously not all maps allow for this (and deploying navy is just... dont do it) but I've won a stupidly large number of fog games by just always building b-copters and tanks every turn and just using their high mobility to take favorable trades.
Hiding a recon in a forest by the center would've been a really good idea. I think if you did that to determine when the middle was unprotected then used a T-copter and an infantry to threaten his com. tower in the build up to a push, you'd be able to both divert his resources to territory that's really uncontested and you'd be able to clobber what defenders were remaining.
@@rosaparks6479 but what if her foot soldiers get jumped on by other foot soldiers? The reduced firepower just makes the counterattack suck, not to mention that the capture phase as Jess is pain
but idk if she wouldnt be too good. Those powers of her are ... better than Adder and still super cheap. Sure only for vehicles but game is mostly decided in later stages by vehicles. Day to Day power keeps her in check.
Man I gotta say, I've been watching a shitton of replay commentaries and you seem to be the only player in the world who understands the importance of pushing your enemy to taking unfavorable decisions. Like making pushes with infantry that you know are gonna get interrupted but even in that circumstance it's favorable to you.
Watching me reminded me of watching someone who is good as chess - it's all about the synergy of pieces working together. Getting the artillery properly shielded whilst also having it cover and attack - the blob is super effective in this way as a front line shield can cover them, the indirects can counter and then fresh units can move from the rear
He also said that the YT algorithm is on fire regarding AW, and if someone deserves to ride that exposure wave is mangs. Nothing against new content creators dipping into AW (the more the better), but mangs isn't "jumping the wagon" (entering the series with the remake), he was born in that wagon. I respect that.
Neotanks were always worth it due to the increased mobility mainly, but also the damage helps certainly. It's really important when you are going for those big tanks, at least if you're playing a larger map. Smaller maps where the front line is closer to the bases it is not as big of a concern.
"Drake player" "Mopped" I get it. So it's an interesting idea. Really hard to say if the neotank gambit paid off. There's just an infinite amount of things that could or could not have happened. I think if you can get 1 surprise tank kill off him and then start blasting other stuff, it's worth it. If you just end up hitting infantry and he manages to avoid the neo until he gets some way to counter, I'd say it's not really worth it as you could have done the same with an AA. Tech units are really about having a centralization of power. Sometimes you want it, sometimes you don't. if your opponent can take advantage of your power being too centralized such as distracting or blocking your neotank while the opponent surges in other areas or surrounds it until an artillery can come by and destroy you (this is mostly for MD tanks though. You can't really distract neotanks because they are fast and they oneshot too much stuff), they win. If you can take advantage of their lack of centralized power, such as their tanks simply having to retreat and becoming useless, you win. That's my thought anyway. So the artillery seems really smart. Because of your neotank, you are virtually guaranteed to take over the center, and that may give your artillery enough time to set up well. About interrupting that cap for 1000, I'm not a fan of that one. Infantry kinda aren't just 1000 but represent factory time and also their position out there on the front line makes them more valuable than ones way back at your factory. Imagine an infantry on the enemy HQ capturing. This guy is not worth 1k in that situation. Same idea but the extent is different. If it was going to die anyway, sure it's worth it, but maybe it could have hid in some trees or something and trapped a unit. Yeah Jess battlecopters are fine. You hardly even notice anything different about them. So you have all these artillery and a neotank vs a bunch of tanks. One thing I'm going to be interested to see if you do is bait his tanks into your hidden artillery with your damaged tank. I feel that would be a crushing blow in the south if he takes the bait on your tank. It's tough to truly evaluate what damage something does. Even if the neotank kills a tank, who's to say it's not worth more than 7000 if then all his other tanks have to run away in fear. You just took a ton of ground and have a wave of infantry at your ready. So the second neotank. You do risk getting overwhelmed. Just surrounding your neotank with infantry and crap until an artillery can come by is a real threat to this type of thing, but maybe you have too much support nearby for that to work. About the sidewinder, along with the tcopters, this may have been a good map to have been ferrying mechs around, but then again it is also kind of a big map. I agree you may have pushed too hard in the north. You have that rocket up there in the god position, but once you start pushing you are going to lose that and that rocket is going to become trickier to use. Maybe just pushing the bottom would have been better, although your supply line is getting really long down there as well. About the rocket in the south. The northern one is in a god position and is defending a mess of mountains and forests. In the south it's way more open with roads everywhere, A lot easier for neotanks to jump on that one so I'm worried about that. Don't worry though, if I'm wrong I will just come back and delete this part. I'm not sure if I would generally attack neos with mechs at all, but this is a 3k unit on a city against an already damaged 22k unit on plains, so I think it's just worth it this time to shave off the 2hp. The bombers in fog against a movement CO is certainly bold, but I agree it may be the best thing against this neotank spam. So pushing was definitely bad. We all need to work on resisting the temptation to attack stuff in range just because we can, and think about what's going to happen next turn, lol. You're up against a movement SCOP CO with tons of built up pressure but moved the rocket onto a city. Yeah, that thing should have been in forests, and with a healthy shield of infantry around it on top of that even. Super interesting match though.
That battle was great. I have learned so much. A good vision is crucial and infantry needs to be taken care of better by me. Fog of war battles are better than I thought.
i love how this resembles saitama and king playing video games together you can kinda see the resemblance: bald man keeps losing to someone called "king" at a video game.
It's very rare to see one of your matches ending up with an HQ capture. But I think this was one of my favorites replays. The Neotank battles, the many indirects... But yeah you did a LOT of mistakes !
29:48 Why did you move the artillery to the city, Mangs? Move it closer so that it can actually have something to shoot. You got units covering it and a very juicy Neotank as a target to shoot at. Even more, the enemy won't be strong enough to break through your units to get to the Artillery in that turn. If you can just shoot it at a Neotank or even a tank, that Artillery would've earned its value.
@@JC-zn4pk Not if it's supllied. Megatanks only work if supported by an APC, aa units and recons and other armor for the main push, since the Megatank will mostly serve as a bullet sponge to absorb indiect and bomber fire.
@@projectpitchfork860 With what money? if you open with Megatank, it's impossible to have more units than your opponent. Also you can just surround the Megatank with infantry
King Arthur does it again. Such a close match though. You did a great job with the capture game and the neotank really caught him off guard. Still. Arthur found an opening to attack and defend every time. And several late mistakes and enemy CO power pushes cost you the match. great game regardless
I think the match could have potentially been decided after that first neotank surprise by Mangs. I was really rooting for him to surgically pick apart everything down south for a couple turns, retreat, then do it again with backup to bum rush HQ
Imo Neo's have always been worth it. The move, the firepower, the ability to immediately make your opponent retreat just at the sight of a Neotank. The only knock on it is the 1 Vision in FOW but that ain't nothing a Recon can't fix.
Defense it’s only roughly 5% less dmg taken compared to md tank. The price is the real issue (+6K) and mangs pointed out that if md tank can be in a position to get the first strike (which is very hard on its own but with other cheaper unit saved from those 6K), it will be more cost effective than neo depending the situation
It was a very fun match to watch. You had better strategy but King Arthur had better tactics which created an interesting back and forth. Are there maps in AWBW with no bases but only predeployed units? I think it could be interesting to see you play this kind of map once in a while either against Panzergraf or against viewers. For us, it would change the formula a little bit and for you, it would be a way to focus on your tactics, which could help you improve a lot.
@@sherrdreamz7232 I think you can come up with a makeshift objective like you win if you have a unit stainding in the center of the map for three turns in a row. My main worries are balancing first turn advantage and lack of replayability but I think you can design around defensive play. I will admit tho, it sounds like a worse idea the more I think about it.
Let's see. 0:08 yes please. 0:12 eh, in general I do maybe a bit less than long matches but I still like them. 0:16 Oh YESSSS. I'm going to watch this video 7 times and give it a like despite my distaste for AWBW's mechanics (com towers, no animations to name a few)
Throwing an infantry to delay a cap is generally not worth it. Specially on your weak side (the lone base side). You should value your infantry a little more, an infantry is worth the things it can do. So, rushing a contested property, if you lose the infantry most likely is a bas decision. Units are also worth by its existance. If a unit is indispensable, sacrificing it also values the effort needed to replace it, and not building the unit to wsnted
This map feels like it lends itself to offense on one side and defense on the other. Given Mangs property lead there was no reason to push up north at all. The play was definitely to build a fortress around his own HQ and and only push on the bot side. A great job by King Arthur to overcome a bad start and a nasty surprise by Mangs with the Neo Tanks.
If you have the inclination to answer Mangs, what would your opinion be if some of these AWBW maps had a higher base/city ratio? Like, if this map had two extra pairs of bases, one set uncontested, one set semi-contested? I personally feel like the number of unit producing buildings compared to funds only is a bit off for the game style I personally prefer.
I bet he assumed you were going for your comm tower early, and so he preemptively went for his. Especially since they're so close together: he might have believed you were going to make a grab for both of them.
Wow. That game. Was. Beast. *There should be a tourney or friendly tourney with persistent game to game elements, akin to lab maps or adding extra predeploy units..*
It may sound strange advise... but have you ever considered decaffinating? Caffeine gives you fast reactive thinking and makes you oversee things. But you need deep, slow thinking here and attention to detail.
*WARNING: Very long analysis of the match.* You should have won this Mangs, hands down. What lost this match again for you was the same 2 problems you had on the last video you had with King Arthur: 1) Needlessly throwing away your infantry 2) Excessive eagerness to attack (blindly) Yet again also, Arthur has demonstrated what you often fail to do Mangs (which is made worse by your problems), consolidating your frontline after a successful push, which Mangs refers to as Arthur bringing his units together into a big blob. He also kept the fighting close to his HQ again like before so he could quickly reinforce, which is why he didn't go hard on trying to repel Mangs' push in the south. Like before, with his 1st problem Mangs kept throwing away his infantry to attack Arthur's infantry without really gaining ground by doing so. He should have refrained from using his infantry and pulled them back. Because of this, he had no infantry whatsoever to the north during the late game phase of their match. He had no vision which made it impossible to properly plan and maneuver for a defense, and he had no meatshields to defend his expensive units, as seen here when his rocket was nearly killed the first time it was spotted, and then eventually killed the second time it was spotted, and also his neotank getting blasted without any reliable meatshields to protect against a first-strike. With his 2nd problem, he kept attacking without reliably fortifying his frontline. He had the advantage, and he kept throwing it away with the needless aggression. The same could be said in the south. Yes he had artilleries going with the push, but again, not enough infantry to back it up. Like on Day 13, Mangs went for the capture on that city southeast of Arthur's HQ, WHY?!?!?! You had no reliable way of securing that capture, and it wasn't needed to distract any unit (as Mangs often says to excuse these meaningless capture attempts), you basically threw away an infantry that could have shielded the advance, more importantly shielded the damaged neotank repairing in the south. I sincerely believe that your thought process in the south on day 14 was you needed vision but that meant not having enough infantry to both cover the city southwest of Arthur's HQ and have enough meatshields to ensure the artillery's safety, which you could have had you not thrown away the infantry on day 13, so instead you opted to move the artillery left of the mountain, an infantry to the mountain for the vision as I've said, and an infantry below the mountain to force Arthur to a decision, would you rather kill my infantry with your neotank and attack my artillery with your tank, or attack my neotank that's on my property with your own neotank in a gamble to kill it with a single attack? The choice was obvious though. By day 17 I was half sure Arthur would win, not unless Mangs makes up for his needless aggressive attacks that day, but then on day 19 Mangs did it again and went too aggressive, and that sealed the deal for me "He... again... haaaa. Yep, Mangs is gonna lose to Arthur again." This was more frustrating than the first match because Mangs had this in the bag, DEFINITELY. But not learning from his previous problems still cost him the match despite the eco advantage and clever early game decisions. This was still fun to watch though. Also, on day 23, Arthur didn't go for the HQ cap because he had no reliable way of protecting the infantry, and so kept his infantry in reserve (which Mangs is still bad at, the discipline of holding back for a more favorable planning/strategy later on), baited out the response to defend the HQ by sitting a medium tank/neotank in it only to die to indirects, THEN went for the HQ cap on day 24 when he knew he could reliably protect his infantry from attacks, using the B-copter to block the medium tank, sending his tank to attack the recon, to both weaken so it couldn't do anything and block the medium from going around the mountain, and another tank to cover north of the infantry, which was perfect since a medium tank only has 2 vision range and it can't one-shot a tank.
During this match, we can see that mangs is a superior player when it comes to development and adaptation. Whereas king is more careful and conservative. I believe mangs could have one -easily- given that he made an astounding amount of mistakes and was still in the game. I think mangs has more power than he can properly control, especially when it comes to decisions under pressure. Maybe the overextension and constant pressure and pushing that he needs to do is a representation of the pressure he feels. My lesson here is... take a chill pill man, youre gonna win with a bit more care.
Hey, I'm King Arthur. I figured I should comment on the match.
I have no idea what I was thinking going for the com tower so early, I would be much better capping the city. I lost atleast 3k for no reason. In general my early game here was very below average, you pointed out how I had no idea where to move my tanks (I would move it into the center and then back), my capture game could have been better and I did not see the Neotank coming. I probably could have punished it but the element of surprise got me and I got into huge trouble. The two artillery you built in the South also did a great job assisting your push.
Honestly you should have won this game just from the early game, but then you started to make some big mistakes.
First of all you started to position your artillery very badly in the South, you even mentioned one of the times where I got to hit your 6hp Neotank for free, and that was the worst one but you also left your infantry out of range so I could get a lot of free hits with my units and it's the only reason why I didn't die immediately in the south.
However I was forced to build neotanks in the south, so I couldn't build anything in the north which led to me having to retreat as eventually all I had left was an artillery and Infantry, so even though you made mistakes you were still winning in the middle game.
But then came the middle game mistakes which allowed me to equalize and win
As you pointed out you just completely threw away the north with two very bad pushes, which I punished very well
However I will say the way I handled the South also wasnt perfect, I didn't realize we were heading to an HQ rush so I thought I had to capture the city there and so I pushed during my superpower but I just ended up getting counter attacked for even worse
You mentioned running out of vision in the north but it was actually way worse in the South for me, I could not see anything which is the main reason why I could not stop you capturing my hq
I had 3 Neo tanks and an artillery but could not see anything.
In fact it was actually impossible for me to interrupt your capture in the last turn because I did not have vision of the Infantry I would have to kill.
However my push in the north saved me because you were pretty crippled following the 2 bad pushes and you also built a very bad bomber
The third bomber you built was so bad I think it was the nail in the coffin
First of all, you built it, moved it south, then moved it into the center to interrupt a meaningless capture and then it was late to help the north so it really didn't do anything at all in terms of combat.
However what was even worse is that the turn you built it you didn't build anything in the north because you didn't have enough money, which is just devastating.
If you had built a unit there instead it would have been much harder for me to capture your HQ, in fact even if you just built an infantry your vision problems would have been much better.
Apart from that I felt very happy with my deleting Black Boat play, the first time I've actually found a use for deleting a unit.
Also the weirdly aggressive infantry attacks I did was because I needed to get my power that turn.
Finally if you built a pipe runner a turn earlier you could have actually interrupted my hq capture.
Now of course if I saw you do that I probably would have built one myself and interrupted your capture and then I think I still would have won but that would have been a funny ending because building a pipe runner is the best move there lol
Anyways this was a very fun match, probably the closest you've ever got to beating me because you had the advantage most of the time, but I just managed to close out the win.
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That's a lot of text Soo he probably knows what's he talking about, mangs you should do what he says.
@@silkiercomet thats king arthur for you lol
I think just the fact that this map is huge, and as Mangs had said, lots of crucial different decision making points, making it hard to focus on each one. This makes everrything hard to keep track of, and considering AWBW is extremely slow, it amplifies the indecisions, further increases the chance of making mistakes. Did you play this game real-time?
Again, as usual, everything is visible in hindsight, but thanks a lot man, and it’s always fun to watch your, and Mangs’ battles!
Can't wait to meet you in a league match! EFKalcifur on the fog-of-war ladder
"The year is 20XX. Everyone plays Neotanks at TAS levels of perfection. Because of this, the winner of a match depends solely on who can get 22,000G first. "The Coinflip metagame has evolved to ridiculous levels due to the extra infantry being the only remaining factor to decide matches"
This shift in the meta has also further cemented Hachi's standing as the Number 1 CO, with his reduced deployment costs often allowing him to obtain the first Neotank of the match, resulting in his inevitable victory. The small but very vocal few who disagree with the current meta, dubbed "Colin Mains", proclaim that the boy in blue is superior to the merchant, due to his even lower deployment costs. However, at TAS level, Hachi is actually able to deploy his Neotank on the same turn as Colin. And thanks to the rich kid's reduced firepower, more often than not, he loses the Neotank mirror match, and subsequently, loses the battle entirely.
@@khaos4965 True, but some players are attempting to use Jugger, Flak and Nell as counters to Hachi, by luring Hachi and his Day 5 neotank and attacking it with 2 Infantries and 2 mechs (all 4 need to be max damage rolls) this is the only way to stop Hachi without using Colin.
I speak the happiest words on tongue and pen; "Mangs' Neotank redemption arc is finally here."
Truly an amazing character development
"Do you guys like long matches?"
Only when Mangs is commentating
Literally same. Ive watched other AWBW streamers and theyre so monotone and boring but Egghead keeps me entertained throughout
Yes
Only with our Bald Ghoul host being here.
What if I need to light a lady's cigarette across the room?
next video:Repairing units might not be such a bad idea
Mangs doesn't mind getting repairs, so long as they are done on the front lines. Mangs is against pulling them so far back that they're out of commission for 5-6 turns doing nothing but sapping income.
@@MOORE4U2 Yeah, nowadays.
But, just as he said multiple times in the past that neotanks weren't worth it, he used to say that you should never repair units. (an example can be found in his dual strike tier list)
And whenever he repaired units in his matches he used to say "Now, normally I would never recommend sending units to get repairs, BUT"
So, just as the "neotanks are not worth it" his rejection of repairs but regular use of them is just another meme
If they're level V.
Mangs character development he now likes neo tanks :)
The good ending
a truly blessed development
And keaton.
Mangs really underestimated the value of that 1 extra move. Forgot Mekkah’s wise words that movement is the best stat.
@@isssma0 which is surprising, since he loves adder
I know it’s kinda overmemed at this point, but «Chadder» using neo tanks are awesome
Also, the new commander explanation screen is, in my opinion, much better and cleaner than the previous ones
From the opponent's perspective, this probably felt like a campaign mission… Jess, building tanks, against the Black Hole Army and its surprise Neotank fleet
Really, kudos to the folks who made AWBW. It's so nice to see competitive Advance Wars plays (even if a match lasts longer than an AOE2 match)
Thanks for the commentary as usual, Mangs!
I'm amazed it hasn't been shut down by *[REDACTED]* yet, especially since they're zombifying old IPs for more money.
@@audiosurfarchive I'm convinced it's because it's keeping AW relevant until reboot camp is out. It'll probably be hit by DMCA a week before reboot camp.
@@DrDrao Christ, I really oughta play more. They'd totally fucking do that too. And i doubt the MP is gonna bw worth a shit; not a worthy successor to AWBW..
*AND THEN THEY'LL JUST LET IT DIE AGAIN BY NOT GIVING A SHIT FOR POST-LAUNCH SUPPORT AND BALANCE/STABILITY*
@@audiosurfarchive On one hand, I hope it doesn't happen. On the other hand, it's basically inevitable. The only site I know of that's survived the release of a new game is showdown, and that's only because it's Pokemon. Everyone buys Pokemon.
On the plus side, you could change the cos to be distinguishable from the originals, and you should be fine. You could keep the mechanics and units, just get rid of the cos for a fan made roster. It could help with rebalancing and such, too.
I see you are a man of culture, good sir.
(referring to profile pic)
14:54 Biggest mistake spotted!
Mangs took an engagement without capping his comm. tower!!!!
Your mental state after the match is very good, everything is a learning opportunity
Some suggestions:
There's nothing wrong with Contesting the Center, but if you're going to do it, don't half ass it. You said it yourself, there are three points of contention on this map, when that's the case you better be active on all three at once. If your forces cannot cover all three fronts it means you're overextending on one or more of them.
The first turn lander play is fine, but if you want movement economy you should try to ship two infantry at a time. As you mentioned, the Transport Copters were less valuable on the northern front because of your free lander, but that lander better be putting in work. That unit is more than a glorified infantry shuttle, by loading vehicles you can create flanking maneuvers or simply extend the mobility of your vehicles and move quickly from the top and middle sections of the map.
Your use of indirects was better than you give yourself credit. Managing their positioning is one of, if not the hardest part of aw pvp. Just never forget just how expensive Rockets are, they are usually built as the death knell for the enemies once your front lines are solid enough to guarantee their safety. And rather than thinking about how much Value units trade, it's better to think about units as whether or not they've succeeded in their jobs. Artillery succeed by destroying enemies who overextend, but they also succeed by driving enemies away from key locations to secure properties, one of those things is easy to place a numeric value for, but the other could be even more valuable in the long run. There's no rush to secure hits with indirects, remember that every quiet turn where the enemy cannot detect your indirects is another turn where they get more impatient. Once you have an econ lead, the onus is on them to make the offensive play, hopefully into your trap.
On the flip side, you needed recons. This map has mountains for infantry scouting, but they are spread out and without adequate transport support it's hard to maintain a full vision spread with just infantry alone. You don't need many of them, and they don't need to be built at the start of the match, but just remember that as your light tank count drops (as you tech into Mds or Neos) the value of recons steadily rises. As an off hand rule for myself I place a phantom 3000 funds value on a recon for each Md/Neo it is providing vision for (so for a force of 1 recon and 6 Neos, I value the recon as much as the neotanks and will protect it accordingly. I will even play into the that value for enemy forces and will sometimes make unusual sacrifices to secure recon kills.
Teching up, I think Arthur kind of got dragged into your pace when you rushed the early Neos as he started doing cranking out heavy units too, but this can get you punished very easily. On a map with 3 fronts, overloading your funds into one of them sacrifices ground elsewhere. Even when your funds break into the mid 20k range you need to keep aware of the total map state and which areas matter most (this is where the standard AW ai falls flat on its face). My default approach is that after reaching 19k+ daily funds on a 4 production map (3 factory 1 airport) my standard build is B-copter, 2 infantry, and 1 Arti/Tank/AA. The remaining funds I let pool. When my opponent reveals their hand I use pooled funds to pivot into my immediate answers, trading my infantry build slots for whatever is needed. On the average, I don't even build Md and Neos unless the map is very high funds or I'm starting up my big push
The AW Weapon Triangle of Tank B-Copter AA makes up the core of most pvp matches. I think this is where you get tripped up in matches against the top ends of the ladder when you typically don't have enough tanks or b-copters to control space and vision. Remember there's tons of ways to counter units like Mds and Neos. If you take air superiority (which is easy against Jess) B-copters are adequate for countering her neo tanks. When she responds with AA, you field more light tanks to out maneuver and neutralize them. Forcing her to match copters or reduce her tank/arti count for AAs suppresses the value of her day to day and powers. Somewhat surprisingly with Adder (and actually most COs) you can win most matches by just being tank and b-copter dominant in the early game in fog matches. I tend to find that the reason for this is that B-copters are comparatively more "tanky" than AA at roughly the same cost since they don't have to fear indirect fire (unless some psycho fields Missiles) and their place on the 'weapon triangle' gives them significant resistance to tank/md/neos, they have more units they have advantages against, which is why they tend to be more frequently produced than AA. This loops back to the Unit Count rule of thumb in that every production property should try to deploy units every turn, obviously not all maps allow for this (and deploying navy is just... dont do it) but I've won a stupidly large number of fog games by just always building b-copters and tanks every turn and just using their high mobility to take favorable trades.
Evil Mangs:
I know mathematics
Evil Mangs:
Neo Tanks are worth it.
Evil Mangs:
Repairing units is worth it
Evil Mangs:
Actually plays from ahead for majority of the match.
I feel like the sole purpose of Missile-Chan is to one-shot bombers
Too bad she’s awful at it.
@@derkatwork33 she's trying her best
You can also use missile chan to lock down enemy airports.
Hiding a recon in a forest by the center would've been a really good idea. I think if you did that to determine when the middle was unprotected then used a T-copter and an infantry to threaten his com. tower in the build up to a push, you'd be able to both divert his resources to territory that's really uncontested and you'd be able to clobber what defenders were remaining.
King Arthur : How many mistakes do you intend to do ?
Mangs : Yes.
If Jess wouldn't have the -10% firepower on Infantry and Mechs, she would be quite viable.
It doesnt make that much of a difference for the infs. Its a difference of 5% damage when its 10hp vs 10hp
@@rosaparks6479 but what if her foot soldiers get jumped on by other foot soldiers? The reduced firepower just makes the counterattack suck, not to mention that the capture phase as Jess is pain
Which is why she’s an outright facewrecker in Dual Strike.
@@Kelm_Kisaragi if its a counterattack then the -10% damage means even less, you're generally doing ~3% less damage
but idk if she wouldnt be too good. Those powers of her are ... better than Adder and still super cheap. Sure only for vehicles but game is mostly decided in later stages by vehicles. Day to Day power keeps her in check.
I love that this community is coming back together after all of these years.
Always that opening "Halloooooo" cheers me every time!
Man I gotta say, I've been watching a shitton of replay commentaries and you seem to be the only player in the world who understands the importance of pushing your enemy to taking unfavorable decisions. Like making pushes with infantry that you know are gonna get interrupted but even in that circumstance it's favorable to you.
Bit late, but the greatest value a unit can get is in making your opponent worse.
You know the video is going to be great when the thumbnail alone makes you laugh.
Watching me reminded me of watching someone who is good as chess - it's all about the synergy of pieces working together. Getting the artillery properly shielded whilst also having it cover and attack - the blob is super effective in this way as a front line shield can cover them, the indirects can counter and then fresh units can move from the rear
Your replay commentaries are very entertaining. Enjoying every second of it 😂. Keep up the good work! ✊
Mangs is the only moderately big youtuber that cares about advance wars, and for that, I am eternally grateful.
He also said that the YT algorithm is on fire regarding AW, and if someone deserves to ride that exposure wave is mangs.
Nothing against new content creators dipping into AW (the more the better), but mangs isn't "jumping the wagon" (entering the series with the remake), he was born in that wagon.
I respect that.
Mangs to Neotanks: ok, ok, i guess you are my little pogchamp.
you improved a huge amount from the first time you played him! i was very impressed by the improvement
Very generous of Mangs to spare King Arthur of the wrath of his Sigma Piperunner and just allowing him the win.
Such a good match. I hope the new advance wars can bring moments like this with their online
Neotanks were always worth it due to the increased mobility mainly, but also the damage helps certainly. It's really important when you are going for those big tanks, at least if you're playing a larger map. Smaller maps where the front line is closer to the bases it is not as big of a concern.
I suspect that King Arthur went for their comm tower early as they expected early infantry aggression and wanted to balance out Jess's penalties.
You can do it man! It's frustrating but the first half of the match you played amazingly well!!
Deleting their own black boat to allow their Neotank to attack was such a chad move; unbelieveable play.
The redemption arc
"Drake player" "Mopped" I get it.
So it's an interesting idea. Really hard to say if the neotank gambit paid off. There's just an infinite amount of things that could or could not have happened. I think if you can get 1 surprise tank kill off him and then start blasting other stuff, it's worth it. If you just end up hitting infantry and he manages to avoid the neo until he gets some way to counter, I'd say it's not really worth it as you could have done the same with an AA. Tech units are really about having a centralization of power. Sometimes you want it, sometimes you don't. if your opponent can take advantage of your power being too centralized such as distracting or blocking your neotank while the opponent surges in other areas or surrounds it until an artillery can come by and destroy you (this is mostly for MD tanks though. You can't really distract neotanks because they are fast and they oneshot too much stuff), they win. If you can take advantage of their lack of centralized power, such as their tanks simply having to retreat and becoming useless, you win. That's my thought anyway.
So the artillery seems really smart. Because of your neotank, you are virtually guaranteed to take over the center, and that may give your artillery enough time to set up well.
About interrupting that cap for 1000, I'm not a fan of that one. Infantry kinda aren't just 1000 but represent factory time and also their position out there on the front line makes them more valuable than ones way back at your factory. Imagine an infantry on the enemy HQ capturing. This guy is not worth 1k in that situation. Same idea but the extent is different. If it was going to die anyway, sure it's worth it, but maybe it could have hid in some trees or something and trapped a unit.
Yeah Jess battlecopters are fine. You hardly even notice anything different about them.
So you have all these artillery and a neotank vs a bunch of tanks. One thing I'm going to be interested to see if you do is bait his tanks into your hidden artillery with your damaged tank. I feel that would be a crushing blow in the south if he takes the bait on your tank.
It's tough to truly evaluate what damage something does. Even if the neotank kills a tank, who's to say it's not worth more than 7000 if then all his other tanks have to run away in fear. You just took a ton of ground and have a wave of infantry at your ready.
So the second neotank. You do risk getting overwhelmed. Just surrounding your neotank with infantry and crap until an artillery can come by is a real threat to this type of thing, but maybe you have too much support nearby for that to work.
About the sidewinder, along with the tcopters, this may have been a good map to have been ferrying mechs around, but then again it is also kind of a big map.
I agree you may have pushed too hard in the north. You have that rocket up there in the god position, but once you start pushing you are going to lose that and that rocket is going to become trickier to use. Maybe just pushing the bottom would have been better, although your supply line is getting really long down there as well.
About the rocket in the south. The northern one is in a god position and is defending a mess of mountains and forests. In the south it's way more open with roads everywhere, A lot easier for neotanks to jump on that one so I'm worried about that. Don't worry though, if I'm wrong I will just come back and delete this part.
I'm not sure if I would generally attack neos with mechs at all, but this is a 3k unit on a city against an already damaged 22k unit on plains, so I think it's just worth it this time to shave off the 2hp.
The bombers in fog against a movement CO is certainly bold, but I agree it may be the best thing against this neotank spam.
So pushing was definitely bad. We all need to work on resisting the temptation to attack stuff in range just because we can, and think about what's going to happen next turn, lol. You're up against a movement SCOP CO with tons of built up pressure but moved the rocket onto a city. Yeah, that thing should have been in forests, and with a healthy shield of infantry around it on top of that even.
Super interesting match though.
Advance Wars Unit Analysis: Neotanks
YAASSS!!!!!
That battle was great. I have learned so much. A good vision is crucial and infantry needs to be taken care of better by me.
Fog of war battles are better than I thought.
i love how this resembles saitama and king playing video games together
you can kinda see the resemblance: bald man keeps losing to someone called "king" at a video game.
Scrambled Egg
Mangs created one of the biggest memes in the entire AW Fanbase, And is using it for Character development.
It's very rare to see one of your matches ending up with an HQ capture. But I think this was one of my favorites replays. The Neotank battles, the many indirects... But yeah you did a LOT of mistakes !
Another AWBW commentary!!! LOVE IT!
29:48 Why did you move the artillery to the city, Mangs? Move it closer so that it can actually have something to shoot. You got units covering it and a very juicy Neotank as a target to shoot at. Even more, the enemy won't be strong enough to break through your units to get to the Artillery in that turn. If you can just shoot it at a Neotank or even a tank, that Artillery would've earned its value.
Great vid Mangs :) Great self analysis!
In this video: Mangs says "butt naked" like 4 times
average early tank spam fan VS early neotank rush enjoyer
The Drake player "Mop"ped the floor with you, huh?
The Chadder Neotank the Chadder Neotank.
Return of the King! Good video and well played to the two of you
A new shift in the meta from the opening tank to opening neo tank, next what will it be possibly the mega tank?!?!?
Megatank's low ammo make it very easy to counter
Advance Wars Openers:
Broke: Tank
Woke: Neotank
Sigma mindset: Piperunner
How to counter Mega tanks 101: Recon circle
@@JC-zn4pk Not if it's supllied. Megatanks only work if supported by an APC, aa units and recons and other armor for the main push, since the Megatank will mostly serve as a bullet sponge to absorb indiect and bomber fire.
@@projectpitchfork860 With what money? if you open with Megatank, it's impossible to have more units than your opponent.
Also you can just surround the Megatank with infantry
King Arthur does it again. Such a close match though.
You did a great job with the capture game and the neotank really caught him off guard.
Still. Arthur found an opening to attack and defend every time. And several late mistakes and enemy CO power pushes cost you the match. great game regardless
the subtitles are fun. “he has moved an Ontario into the center”
Ok yes, Neotanks are awesome, now please let the real Mangs out of the basement
Too funny!!!
I think the match could have potentially been decided after that first neotank surprise by Mangs. I was really rooting for him to surgically pick apart everything down south for a couple turns, retreat, then do it again with backup to bum rush HQ
Neotanks having an egg-shape is perfect
Mangs has undergone character development. And now doesnt find neotanks to be not worth it. Truly a blessed timeline
This match was so surprising until the very last moment
I've been waiting for this!
opponent builds artillery, greatest thing egg has ever seen, more at 8
Very exciting match! Perhaps the attack on the neotank at the end was to sacrifice your infantry for more power charge?
first of jess going for the com towner, is good cuz the infantry has 100% attack instead of 90%, it gets rid of that 10% attack penalty
Imo Neo's have always been worth it. The move, the firepower, the ability to immediately make your opponent retreat just at the sight of a Neotank. The only knock on it is the 1 Vision in FOW but that ain't nothing a Recon can't fix.
Ooh, great AWBW video
Neotank-chan incoming
Ah yes, the early game neotank opener
Next level plays!
I don't play awbw but I think neotanks are absolutely worth it. High offense, defense, mobility, ammo, and fuel.
cost.
Defense it’s only roughly 5% less dmg taken compared to md tank. The price is the real issue (+6K) and mangs pointed out that if md tank can be in a position to get the first strike (which is very hard on its own but with other cheaper unit saved from those 6K), it will be more cost effective than neo depending the situation
It was a very fun match to watch. You had better strategy but King Arthur had better tactics which created an interesting back and forth. Are there maps in AWBW with no bases but only predeployed units? I think it could be interesting to see you play this kind of map once in a while either against Panzergraf or against viewers. For us, it would change the formula a little bit and for you, it would be a way to focus on your tactics, which could help you improve a lot.
What incentivizes someone to move a unit without an objective? Predeployed armies don't work because Optimal is always Maximum Defensive play.
@@sherrdreamz7232 I think you can come up with a makeshift objective like you win if you have a unit stainding in the center of the map for three turns in a row. My main worries are balancing first turn advantage and lack of replayability but I think you can design around defensive play. I will admit tho, it sounds like a worse idea the more I think about it.
Funny, I was just watching your original neotank video. Glad to see your revision.
Let's see. 0:08 yes please. 0:12 eh, in general I do maybe a bit less than long matches but I still like them. 0:16 Oh YESSSS. I'm going to watch this video 7 times and give it a like despite my distaste for AWBW's mechanics (com towers, no animations to name a few)
Throwing an infantry to delay a cap is generally not worth it. Specially on your weak side (the lone base side). You should value your infantry a little more, an infantry is worth the things it can do. So, rushing a contested property, if you lose the infantry most likely is a bas decision. Units are also worth by its existance. If a unit is indispensable, sacrificing it also values the effort needed to replace it, and not building the unit to wsnted
Saying that the Drake player "mopped" the floor with you in that match? I see what you did there, Mangs. ;)
This map feels like it lends itself to offense on one side and defense on the other. Given Mangs property lead there was no reason to push up north at all. The play was definitely to build a fortress around his own HQ and and only push on the bot side. A great job by King Arthur to overcome a bad start and a nasty surprise by Mangs with the Neo Tanks.
If you have the inclination to answer Mangs, what would your opinion be if some of these AWBW maps had a higher base/city ratio? Like, if this map had two extra pairs of bases, one set uncontested, one set semi-contested? I personally feel like the number of unit producing buildings compared to funds only is a bit off for the game style I personally prefer.
CHADDER CHADDER
The centre island of this map is giving me an optical illusion, it looks all warped to me
Neo-chan having a character development
Before you changed your opinion about Lyn , now you started to like Neotanks. Soon it will be time for Amelia.
Imagine Opening with the Early game NeoTank
Wake we when we get to the Megatank match
I bet he assumed you were going for your comm tower early, and so he preemptively went for his. Especially since they're so close together: he might have believed you were going to make a grab for both of them.
We need a neotank-Chan.
OMG yassss!!!!!
Oh how the apcs turn
Wow. That game. Was. Beast.
*There should be a tourney or friendly tourney with persistent game to game elements, akin to lab maps or adding extra predeploy units..*
Now that was a hell of a match. Could have gone either way honestly.
They were always worth it.
24:07 look at the bar under Adder xD
Ooh, great video
Yes I love it so many explosions
Chadder CO with Neotanks that get Σ0% firepower bonus.
I really prefer watching pvp with fog of war. they're more intense and exciting
I know you didn’t win, but that was an enjoyable match to watch the recap of 😊
"You know what? Fuck you." *deletes his own Black Boat*
-Chad Arthur
It may sound strange advise... but have you ever considered decaffinating? Caffeine gives you fast reactive thinking and makes you oversee things. But you need deep, slow thinking here and attention to detail.
Evil mangs be like:
oh look hes playing as adder
"sorry for misgendering you, king Arthur, but I'm a Fate fan, you know the drill"
You forget, Neotanks are most worthwhile in Days of Ruin (Dark Conflict for fellow Brits)
*WARNING: Very long analysis of the match.*
You should have won this Mangs, hands down. What lost this match again for you was the same 2 problems you had on the last video you had with King Arthur:
1) Needlessly throwing away your infantry
2) Excessive eagerness to attack (blindly)
Yet again also, Arthur has demonstrated what you often fail to do Mangs (which is made worse by your problems), consolidating your frontline after a successful push, which Mangs refers to as Arthur bringing his units together into a big blob. He also kept the fighting close to his HQ again like before so he could quickly reinforce, which is why he didn't go hard on trying to repel Mangs' push in the south.
Like before, with his 1st problem Mangs kept throwing away his infantry to attack Arthur's infantry without really gaining ground by doing so. He should have refrained from using his infantry and pulled them back. Because of this, he had no infantry whatsoever to the north during the late game phase of their match. He had no vision which made it impossible to properly plan and maneuver for a defense, and he had no meatshields to defend his expensive units, as seen here when his rocket was nearly killed the first time it was spotted, and then eventually killed the second time it was spotted, and also his neotank getting blasted without any reliable meatshields to protect against a first-strike. With his 2nd problem, he kept attacking without reliably fortifying his frontline. He had the advantage, and he kept throwing it away with the needless aggression. The same could be said in the south. Yes he had artilleries going with the push, but again, not enough infantry to back it up. Like on Day 13, Mangs went for the capture on that city southeast of Arthur's HQ, WHY?!?!?! You had no reliable way of securing that capture, and it wasn't needed to distract any unit (as Mangs often says to excuse these meaningless capture attempts), you basically threw away an infantry that could have shielded the advance, more importantly shielded the damaged neotank repairing in the south. I sincerely believe that your thought process in the south on day 14 was you needed vision but that meant not having enough infantry to both cover the city southwest of Arthur's HQ and have enough meatshields to ensure the artillery's safety, which you could have had you not thrown away the infantry on day 13, so instead you opted to move the artillery left of the mountain, an infantry to the mountain for the vision as I've said, and an infantry below the mountain to force Arthur to a decision, would you rather kill my infantry with your neotank and attack my artillery with your tank, or attack my neotank that's on my property with your own neotank in a gamble to kill it with a single attack? The choice was obvious though.
By day 17 I was half sure Arthur would win, not unless Mangs makes up for his needless aggressive attacks that day, but then on day 19 Mangs did it again and went too aggressive, and that sealed the deal for me "He... again... haaaa. Yep, Mangs is gonna lose to Arthur again." This was more frustrating than the first match because Mangs had this in the bag, DEFINITELY. But not learning from his previous problems still cost him the match despite the eco advantage and clever early game decisions. This was still fun to watch though. Also, on day 23, Arthur didn't go for the HQ cap because he had no reliable way of protecting the infantry, and so kept his infantry in reserve (which Mangs is still bad at, the discipline of holding back for a more favorable planning/strategy later on), baited out the response to defend the HQ by sitting a medium tank/neotank in it only to die to indirects, THEN went for the HQ cap on day 24 when he knew he could reliably protect his infantry from attacks, using the B-copter to block the medium tank, sending his tank to attack the recon, to both weaken so it couldn't do anything and block the medium from going around the mountain, and another tank to cover north of the infantry, which was perfect since a medium tank only has 2 vision range and it can't one-shot a tank.
Given tank openings are so popular do you think there's any chance of an APC and Mechs working? Well, outside of Sami...
Tanks have 6 move. Mechs have 2. Good luck with that.
39:09 maybe you forgot there was a mountain there :v?
Wanted: past Mangs
Last seen interrupting caps with bombers and attacking full hp neotanks with infantry. Help us bring this madman to justice
During this match, we can see that mangs is a superior player when it comes to development and adaptation. Whereas king is more careful and conservative.
I believe mangs could have one -easily- given that he made an astounding amount of mistakes and was still in the game. I think mangs has more power than he can properly control, especially when it comes to decisions under pressure. Maybe the overextension and constant pressure and pushing that he needs to do is a representation of the pressure he feels.
My lesson here is... take a chill pill man, youre gonna win with a bit more care.