I love that the 'L' button can be used to dim other tracks rather than used as a hard solo, the amount of dim is set in control room. It's great for focusing on a track, yet still in context.
This video has been immensely helpful for me. Everything you said about why you switched to Cubase is spot on with my own evaluation of it. I love Logic like an old friend. But the reliability issues have really been a problem. And with support being almost nonexistent, I can hardly justify continuing to use it. Like you, I updated everything and was still having the exact same issues. Thanks so much for making this!
I'm glad it was helpful. Yes I feel it's a shame that Apple haven't kept on top of the technical details with Logic because is very nearly a really great mixing DAW and I love the work flow in Logic. But having sample accurate automation in Cubase means it takes me half the time to write effective automation (because I was spending so much time in Logic trying to get the timing to line up well on AUXs). Then there are the stability issues with 3rd party plugin in Logic which like you have plagued me through several computers and OS versions without improving.
I tried cubase, immediatly bought the pro licence a week later, it is lovely, was using reaper before. Reaper is great, but cubase is just beautiful, such polished software.
I've tried many DAWs and recently downloaded Cubase. I started using it last week and haven't encountered any issues with MIDI or audio all the function it's pretty much the same as the others. but the sound quality is excellent, and the drivers have not caused me any problems. I love Cubase. Good video.
This vid came at the perfect time for me. I was a Logic user for 8-9 years before i switched to Windows in 2019 or '20, and over the past few years i've been trying to find my new go-to DAW to replace Logic. I spent time with Reaper and Studio One, but neither of them hit the mark for me. Reaper is impressive but i'm the same as you, i didn't like the ergonomics / layout. Studio One is okay but didn't feel like the perfect solution. I recently started trialling Cubase after a recommendation from a trusted audio friend and i can already feel like it's gonna be the one for me. This video really helped, i learned a lot, i'm definitely gonna commit to Cubase. Thanks for the vid!
@@accentontheoff Really high spec Windows machines have no issues if your interface is also decent. But if you are using laptops, I would avoid Widows (my main rig is Windows right now BTW).
Great summary! One thing I also love with Cubase, is the Direct Routing. Via Direct Routing I e.g. can get 8 extra sidechain sends. That way I can have 8 sends + 8 sidechain buses on every track. (Hold down Shift when activating several Direct Routings). So I use sends for FX sends that need adjustable levels, and Direct Routing for Sidechain that don't need adjustable levels (only on/off). One thing I miss from PT still is the ability to see all Volume levels, pans, routing, inserts and sends without the need of a context sensitive inspector on the left side of the screen as I don't use the mixer that much anymore in Cubase.
You can color each lane of automation. Select and change color. Click on back ground is a preference. You can also have horizontal cross hairs at the same time to quickly compare levels. You can also draw on the event, pencil automation style and use the handles simultaneously. I seldom use volume automation. Multiple configurable mixers. Mixer snap shots. You can copy back and forth or import from session to session and include instruments, channel settings and plug ins. The instrument rack I like so much better. All VSTI’s in one place instead of having to search the mixer to work in the instrument. Better. Just name the channel and the “piano” icon on the mixer on the VSTI channel opens the instrument. Also, cubase allows you to add out puts to the VSTI as you want them. You don’t have to choose mono or stereo versions of the VSTI when opening it. Good comparison. I’d like to see an in depth midi comparison.
Another nice feature of the Control Room is the cue sends. When mixing, I often use reference tracks(a rough mix, another song already mixed etc..). I have a Cue bus (I name it "Reference") set up in the CR that is not routed to any Speakers/output. I import the the reference tracks/rough mix to a track and do not route it anywhere, but send it to the Cue bus via a Cue sends on the Track (There is 4 of them). I put that track in Solo Defeat (Alt-click on solo). That way, I can always switch instantly between my mix and the reference mix with one button (Cue mix) in the Control Room regardless of the Solo or mute settings on the other tracks. It still goes through the inserts in the control room for listening corrections/metering/Headphone plugins etc...
Excellent comparison! I actually switched from Cubase VST to Logic in 2004, then to Ableton around 2006, and back to Cubase around 2010... especially love the group editing, warping, and comping from lanes... The thing that bothered me most in Logic was the level drop when tracks were sent to auxes... Btw, I love what you shared about the control panel... I also use Sonarworks and can use them with my speakers, headphones, and cue mixes also... Crazy cool! : )~
Great overview. You definitely missed the virtual instrument features and views. Use the instrument rack. Logic you can only see the virtual in that one place. In Cubase you have an instrument track. A midi track. The virtual rack. You have the piano icon everywhere that opens that instrument.. The instrument rack is the best solution. Open the rack, choose an instrument, select Chanel type and routing, DONE. You can see every virtual you are using in one place. You can set quick controls for any virtual and see those in one place. You can add more tracks for the instrument that are available right in the rack. The track links to the instrument and rack so when you choose the Chanel, IE midi its selected in the rack. Great for when you have 30 of them going. You can have the rack floating or you can dock the rack in the edit window. When creating an instrument you can choose the type of track you want to use. I just create midi tracks because that is where the work is and access the VI rack or icon on the Chanel to open the VI. You can name every VI channel and have the names show up in the instruments routing section. There are to many features to list here really. Logic is beyond annoying when it comes to VI’s and midi. When logic was run by Emagic its was so much better. Remember “environments” Apple stripped it for garage band. I’m a composer so I use midi and VI all the time. Your a mixer so you probably don’t go there a much. Makes sense.
Highly useful and pushed me over the line to finally decide on Cubase after some weeks of prior research. No regrets, it's amazingly efficient, logical and smooth, thanks.
Amazing video, very complete! I started not long ago with Cubase 12 LE as my first DAW and always had doubts if the others were better, otherwise, I would prefer to learn in the others if Cubase were very limited, problematic, faulty, or lacking something important. Now I feel I'm on the right track and can move on to buy the Artist version. Thanks!
Comprehensive video! Thanks for putting this together. Switched to Cubase for a lot of the same reasons. Crazy that this video is a hour and you didn’t even go deep into midi editing, which usually pushes Cubase over the edge for people. Love the way you organize your plug-in folders. Going to work on mine now haha!
@@mr.mikehunt4286 That's just not true Mike. Let's take just one example. In Cubase you can bounce multiple stems with and without FX, plus a stereo mix all in multiple formats all in the same bounce. You just can't do that in Logic.
@@heronislandstudio8054 bounce in place with a whole list of options fx, no fx, mono stereo, normalize, to same track/new track, audio-session library, etc etc way more advance and since 2009 ua-cam.com/video/v5l-8gAamlg/v-deo.html
@@heronislandstudio8054 omg, ofcourse you can, you select multiple tracks and choose bounce in place, you can even bounce a folder with both audio and midi to separate tracks/one track etc, the only thing logic could not do until 2014 was bounce aux/send tracks to a new track but most pple only do this when freezing tracks where still giving them errors cause they had too many and or a slow hd.
15:00 in Logic you can create a group, solo it, and deactivate it to solo just one horn. And with a CS you can use all the fingers to solo all together or un-solo it. You can so also mute the soloed tracks and keep just one, without using groups.
you cc an also bounce it, ,the shuck has no clue that Steinberg and Thomas at Emagic where friends, wrote the same codes, shared them and all, there is nothing Logic cant do that Cubase can BUT run on PC which is why he most likely made this video, nothing else and in fact there are a number of things Steinberg CANT do that Logic can, Cubase lacks better plugins, it sounds duller, it cant set up automation automatically for midi devices as fast as logic does graphically and mm most of all Logic was always the choice for pros working in the Major Label A&R offices....that says allot, its known that Nicky Kalliongis, Now with Republic Record only used logic on the 600 Plus plat records.
amazing video and one of the reasons i decided to demo both logic and cubase. one thing to note, you can save channel presets to be used throughout the entire program in pro tools. they can be saved to different folders, as well. i’m only aware of this change since February but that’s when i was looking for it.
Thanks. Unless it's changed recently, with Pro Tools you can import channels from other projects. I know some people save lots of projects with particular channel strips they want import. But that is an incredibly cumbersome way of working, having to open the import dialog and select what to import instead of just having it all there in a menu on each channel strip like most other DAWs. Maybe that's changed recently in Pro Tools and it's now available via the channel strip in a menu.,but I haven't seen it written about anywhere.
Incredible. i use both Cubase and Logic as well. could you do a separate video for that Color Macro? that blew my mind. I spend so much time coloring tracks
Thanks. Logic's Score in my opinion is a bug ridden nightmare. I have scored many things using it and it's always been problematic. From it forgetting the layout after reopening the file to stupid things like combining two different notes a semi-tone apart that occurs at the same point in time into a singe note head with both an accidental and a natural sign next to them. No classical musician I've ever worked with (which is a good number) had any idea how to read that (so they all have to be found and then separated one at a time by hand!). Tupplets are a nightmare too, there's no easy way to get them to display correctly. Cubase's Score is a lot better in my opinion.
Another thing: LOADING VSTi is a BREEZE in Cubase/Nuendo Select the “Media” tab in the Right Zone where CR, Meter, etc. exists and choose the icon “VST Instruments” There will be default image placeholders with the name of the instrument below…just drag it into the section where you create Audio, MIDI, Folder, Group, VCA, etc. (Not in the actual waveforms/midi information lane section) You will see a “green line” indicating that you can drop…(I.e. adding a track in between, above, or below an existing track)…and viola your instrument is loaded. **Be sure to click the camera icon** in the native Steinberg dialog box above the instrument to add the “image” of the instrument (as you will see) in place of the default placeholder. No other DAW performs the ability to load Instruments and Effects on a VISUAL level. FYI: The “VSTi” tab in the Right Zone is where all the instruments in use or loaded exist. Steinberg's legacy method but better in the form of modules with mappable controls. Selecting one draws focus to the instrument in the main window and mixer as a quick way of locating them in a large project.
Wow. Very good and quick overview of Logic Pro vs Cubase Pro from a person who uses and knows both products well. I appreciate this video for opening my eyes to the capabilities of both Cubase and Logic. Marketing hype and fan boys had me convinced that Logic Pro was a much better product. I bought Cubase Pro 12 since they removed ilok requirement and I am yet to explore it. This video has vindicated my decision to go with Cubase. I might get Logic Pro later just to play with it.
Great review of positive features compared to Logic. Very helpful to me as I've been vacillating between the two. Your points made my mind up. By the way, in Cubase 12 you can see a virtual instrument from mixer window if you open channel editor (use a key command) and hit the Edit VST Instrument button. A couple of steps but still pretty fast.
Hi Mark Great video! One thing though I have to correct you: Logic has the double solo function as well, plus as well the solo defeat. Double solo: when you have a couple of tracks soloed, and you wanna here just one of those tracks solo (double solo) select it and use Control+S. solo defeat: hold Control and click Solo button.
@@barnyardrecordings Hi Barnyard. Official name I don't know. But Option-S command is soloing the selected track/channel. (the solo button on the track header). This is not the same as global Solo function. So this allows you to solo any number of tracks, and then click option-S to have a new soloed track within the soloed selection. :)
@@raffaelebossard4708 Thanks, I see. It's simply a higher priority solo mode. I noticed there is a risk of unknowingly using it and having strange solo behaviour. Other than that it works great.
Thank you so much for this. Super useful. I am considering leaving Logic in search of the best DAW for composers. I still don't know a lot in Logic, but I was expecting the automation to be better. I would like to know if the faders on the tracks are post automation or not. I hate that in logic you cannot adjust overall volumes from the mixer, because they are post automation..is like - for those using logic - the read mode "trim" should be ON the faders.. not in the arrange window. Other that I see Cubase has more juice probably. However, Logic DOES have that function that will draw an automation line from the parameters you would adjust ON the plugins "knobs". It definitively has it
wow. I learned a lot. command click and you hear the chord? just wow. I'm sure you know, on the mixer if you click and HOLD the e button down there next to the M S and L buttons, it will pop up your instrument for that channel.
hold command and press the edit channel settings button and it will bring up the virtual instrument. Yeah, you can't see it as an insert but you can open it quickly at least.
Very very nice info from a real pro! Thank you!!!! I have been using Motu DP since 1990 and Logic pro X but they are not stable enough to my expectations. Stability first and great efficiency are so important. Happy to learned so much from you. Again, Merci Beaucoup!
Excellent video comparison. I’m two days in on my trial of Cubase 13 pro, the drum editor mode is a huge difference, also being able to enter piano roll notes without holding command I like seamlessly with out switching to a tool. I was feeling to lazy to learn another day after like 5, thought logic was my perfect daw but for $250 with there current promotion you might have sold me on it to invest in it and accept the learning curve lol
Mark, thanks so much for such an in depth, informative video. I'm trying to setup my key commands / logical editor to auto colorize tracks similar to how you've done, but I can't figure out 1. How to have the key command execute a macro with many logical editor steps (and actually work), 2. How to have the colors recognize upper vs. lower case for audio vs group/aux/fx tracks. If you'd like to explain here for everyone that would work, otherwise I could send you an email with some screenshots? Thanks!
It's complicated to explain. Greg Ondo shows how to do this in a video. Search for him and cubase and you should find it. It's also listed somewhere on this site: cubaseindex.com/
@@heronislandstudio8054 Okay, thanks for your prompt reply. I've seen the Greg Ondo video and I can create a command to color some tracks based on name, but haven't figured out how to create a hotkey that will execute many project logical editor commands at once. Also haven't figured out how to make it differentiate based on all caps. But I'll check out that website it looks like a great resource thanks!
Thanks. It works in Cubase 11, I'm not on 12 yet. Its a key command. I'm not sure if it's mapped by default or if I mapped it myself. For me it's command [ and ]
I don't have Cubase open right now, but if you use CTRL, or ALT, or Shift (don't know which) when scrolling with the mouse wheel, the function changes. This also makes scrolling and scaling in the project super comfortable. Just try it out.
I am a Digital Performer user (for over 30 years now), no complaints! I've done a lot of all kinds of productions, ...recording, mixing, mastering, in and outboard processing, synths, midi etc and synced with film/video material! ...i must say, i don't need another DAW! Digital Performer is very flexible and customiseble and stabile! ...if a DAW crashes often, the reason is normally some of the (third party) plug in(s) on open project!
I’ve been struggling with the stability of Logic myself. I’ve been messing with Bitwig which has some awesome devices and modulation options, but the midi writing is terrible compared to Logic. I wish Logic would do what Bitwig has done with plug-ins loading in containers so just the plug-in crashes and not the whole project.
It's a real problem for a lot of people. There was a time when Logic almost never crashed, I remember going for months without a crash. Those were the good old days. 🙂
I originally came from Studio One Professional to Logic. The one thing I fell in love with Studio One for was their advanced hand mastering processes. Since then, upgrading my VSTs, ozone has made that part of S1 moot which is what made me move to logic. But unfortunately now running up to 50-80 tracks at 44Khz I’m getting a ton of overload issues on a newer Mac. It’s cheaper for me to upgrade to Cubase (I have a 64gb ram and 13th gen intel laptop with a 3080TI) which having Cubase be cross compatible removes that roof when we hit that ceiling when we are tracking.
Hello, great video as always. You convinced me making the move from PT. Do you mind explaining how you setup the Logical editor for naming and colour coding ? This would save me time when starting mixes
Great vid a lot Good info, by the way quicker way to make the automation is to move the botton that you want to automate and it will appear without having to search it...
I dropped Pro Tools for Cubase in 2012 . . . In 2013, I added Samplitude Pro X for Editing Mixing and Mastering . . I now record all of my Acoustic projects in Samplitude, and I keep Cubase for Composing in Midi. . . . Samplitude's Mixer has always been the Boss . . . Yet Cubase is definately catching up . . . The Double Solo feature in Cubase is a great new addition that all DAWs should adopt . . . I am very happy to see Cubase getting so much Love . . . ! . . . :-) (-;
Hey man, nice vid - really enjoying the walkthrough, especially since I’m daw curious. Wanted to let you know that logic does have some of the features you wish it did-they’re just accessible in a different way. Things like bouncing busses in place are possible if you pencil a region into the bus, for instance. Rendering an aux track is possible with the export command, which creates the ability to workaround for sonarworks if you want, without bypassing. Double solo is also possible in the form of track solo and region solo, which I agree comes in super handy. Mouse wheel resizing is achieved by holding two keys (I think alt and command but I have them by rote not name) and using the mouse wheel. Sounds like Cubase has this down really well tho. I agree - that line is so important. In post production and podcast editing too, which has no grid. I have no idea why it’s not in pro tools. Anyway all of this is moot if logic is unstable on your system, which I totally understand. But if you do get it to be stable, those features do await you back in lpx!
Thanks these are very useful tips! With Export, can you specify bouncing just a single AUX? The double solo thing you are describing is also how I do it in Logic but it's not quite the same as Cubase's double solo which is mixer channel based. That makes it a lot quicker and more flexible (at least for the way I work), plus you can also solo regions of course. I didn't know about the mouse wheel resizing! That's very handy. Thanks. Yes Logic became unstable on all three of my machines, gradually more and more over the past few versions. I'm still mixing in it regularly (because a lot of clients hand me logic projects) and am actually totally happy with it apart from the instability. Thanks again for the tips!
@@heronislandstudio8054 the way I do it is, I make the aux available to me in the arrange window (control t or create track from mixer window), and then I use the pencil to create a blank region. I stretch the region out from beginning to end, then j can export it like any other track (command e). The nice thing about using regions on auxes in this way is you can also move automations really quickly if you’re moving an arrangement around. This is how I handle all my reverbs for fiction podcasts for instance-if I need to move a whole scene over to accommodate an edit, I can make sure I grab any associated automated effects on auxes as well and move them with the regions at the same time
Hi :-) I just got Cubase and want to ask how you got those colours ? Because my version 11 pro does not look like that ? :-) What settings are you on if that is not to much to ask ? :-)
Thank you! Just a side question, do you recommend any course on the internet to learn Cubase/Nuendo? I know I could learn the DAW slowly by reading the manual but I really want to speed up the learning process as Cubase/Nuendo is very deep
Watching this a year later after I haphazardly updated to Sonoma 17.4 and all my Ilok plugins like UA and Soundtoys cause errors in Logic Pro and won’t open on my newish 2023 M2 Pro Mac mini. There’s a workaround through Rosetta but unacceptable. I switched back to my Studio one Professional which continues to work flawlessly during this time
What a nightmare! Its a real shame with all their vast resources that Apple have decided not to care about backwards compatibility. Its not fair on the users or the developers.
@@heronislandstudio8054 completely agree. Even “funnier”….apple came out today with a “fix” for this very issue and it still doesn’t work. Your content is super helpful thanks!
After seeing your video 2 years ago I made the final switch to Logic. Now it seems Cubase is next. I had dismissed it as some PC-only old-timer DAW. A lot of these differences are exactly what I've been missing in Logic.
Yes I only looked into Cubase because Logic had become so unstable. I knew Cubase was often the film composer's DAW of choice but I didn't realise just how great it was for mixing music.
@@heronislandstudio8054 I’m going to try it out, they even have a crossgrade offer right now. Hoping it works for tracking too. In Logic I love being able to switch between track alternatives and take folders, and low latency monitoring if need be. Lots of great features in Logic, but a lot of frustrating issues too.
@@heronislandstudio8054 Thanks, that all sounds great. Although I'm just trying it now and no sound is coming out at all. Will need to dive into the manual I'm afraid, or find a good tutorial series somewhere.
For the video author/others: Is the VST-crashing problem fixed in newer versions of Logic? There has been at least one major update if memory serves right.
It is really nice to hear about this. One can tell that you have really great knowledge about music production. And the things you compare is very advanced and hard to know without many years of professional use. Thanks for sharing! I`m a Cubase user since the very beginning and I think that working with MIDI ,Cubase is the best DAW! Also its the fastest way to make score of music. The drum editor is outstanding. Handling audio production is as great as any DAW. I´ve working with students for 30 years and its very easy to get going. To have such a great DAW for every kind of music production is great.But there are things that could be better. To many upgrades all the time is irritating and expensive. The synths are low budget. Such great DAW should include better sound quality in VST instruments. But if you accept buying plugins you should have a good life with small problems to handle. I have Halion6, Native instruments (I bought a Kontakt MIDI keyboard) and Addictive Drums 2. These plugins give me enough options for me. I think Steinberg have done a good job on audio processing. The FX sounds great so I don´t know whats missing there. Then I´ve also use Logic mainly to compare the DAW:s. But I compose music and use a lot of MIDI and therefore Cubase is outstanding!/Greatings!
GREAT VIDEO!!!! Thanks for your time. I was a Cubase user long long time ago (since my atari), but i switched to logic (7 years ago or maybe more!? :D). Logic crashes sometimes with some plugins or maybe its something else :). I like the midi editor in Cubase, and automation style, but miss the name of the instrument on the mixer. Ill try again. :) Really thanks for the video. The control room rocks.
Cheers! You can have the names of audio channels on the mixer in cubase. But if you mean virtual instruments showing up in the mixer like a plugin, no they don't. You can open them from the mixer channel though by alt clicking on the "e" button.
Yes for music which is not on a grid (like jazz, classical and a lot of acoustic music) I find the vertical line essential for fast editing and automation.
Yes but you need to do it on a track by track basis and you need to select all regions on a track and if you have already set some of the fades by hand (which is often the case) it destroys those fades. All pretty fiddly and time consuming. Both Cubase and Pro Tools allow a global auto fade setting for all edits, which you can then edit of course.
Thanks for the video.I'm thinking about switching to Cubase/Nuendo myself.for the reasons you mentioned and more . I've been a logic user since v6.but I've been learning cubase through online tutorials like these and now I'm tempted to just make the switch the production and mixing workflow seems familiar to me.almost like logic on steroids.
@@nickbaptiste3047 I think I saw somewhere that someone did some tests and Pro Tools and Logic nulled perfectly if you just bounce out audio. 3rd party effects might vary from DAW to DAW a little even with the same plugin.
Just curious... Can you make Cubase so that you can start and stop playing by pressing the space bar? The one time I messed with Cubase (which did not do this), I found that particular feature of Logic was something I just couldn't live without.
@@newguy6935 What I've been really annoyed at with other daws is how customisable they are. for instance Ableton doesn't let you change key commans!! I mean COME ON! If I could use the same key commans for each daw then I'd be an ableton customer as well as cubase but alas. but my point is that if you're used to doing something in one daw and want to work that way in cubase you can most always find away to do that.
the double solo function is easily done in Logic by creating Groups and then just soloing the instrument you want within that. it doesn't take more time and can be done literally in seconds.
That method is not working here if I understand what you're saying correctly (which I might not be). With group solo on all channels in the group are soloed when you solo any one of them. What's great in cubase is that you can solo a set of channels or an AUX (like a drum bus) and then solo individual tracks within that (double solo) without loosing your previous solo selection when you remove the double solo. I've not found a way to do that in Logic, but if there is one I'd love to know it! 😀
well, first things first. THANK YOU! That's over an hour of stuff to go through for me in Cubase and revisit and brush up. YET ... there is more o_0 Everybody's different but you can have the selected track(s) resized to a larger size and the rest much smaller if you wish. You can use the cycle markers and navigate/zoom fast as "#¤%"¤. Much better than the regular markers. No mention of the MIDI remote, the track configuration for hiding what you don't need, the integration between the score editor / key editor, expression maps, drum maps ... BUUUUT ... then it would be a three week long video that you wouldn't have uploaded until 2034 so I guess you know what you're doing haha! Thanks again! :D
Have you tried Cubase with a control surface, like the SSL UF8 or Presonus FaderPort? One concern I have with Cubase is 3rd party hardware integration. I always see support for Ableton and Logic due to their popularity, but once into Cubase, Reaper, BitWig and StudioOne support is hit or miss.
With Cubase 12 new midi remote system there's no need for a controller "to be integrated with Cubase", that's a revolution. I use every piece of hardware that sends midi CC as controller, for example all my synthesizers like Andromeda, Virus, OB12 and so on PS. it was possible also on the old midi remote system, just a bit more tedious to organise
I have one of the old faderports single fader version and it works great with cubase 11. But as The Monk Beats says, with Cubase 12 anything that sends midi cc can be linked to anything you like. The only restriction with Cubase (which I find frustrating) is that as far as I can tell (I might be wrong), you can't have one controller CC controlling parameters on more than one channel at a time. That's a huge restriction if you are used to using things like MainStage or Ableton for live work (and some modern mixing techniques) where you can control as many parameters on as many channels as you want simultaneously with one CC. Really not sure why they stopped short of doing this with Cubase 12 (maybe there's some low level code that prevents it).
I do use SSL uf8 with Cubase and also I have UC1 and Softube console 1, all of them work really good, a bit different from protools but you can’t anyway expect like 100% compatibility with all DAW’s I am still using protools but seems like a cubase is very interesting to move on
Hi .in logic when i record external synth or bounce midi to audio it doesn't sit on the grid & each time i need to move it manually . I tried all .i wonder if cubase doesn't have this problem .tjanks
I was also a Logic user until my iMac started crashing. I couldn't tell whether it was my mac or logic that was the problem. Now I see it's a common problem among logic users. Anyway I switched to Windows and tried Cubase. I have never looked back since then. Cubase is awesome in every way. At first I used to fear that I wouldn't get the same quality I used to get in Logic but I was wrong. Cubase sounds are all the way quality in that some of my projects are sounding better in terms of quality than those I did in Logic. Midi and especially Audio features are also amazingly awesome. For instance their Sampler Track is outstandingly awesome. Audio Quantizing is razor sharp accurate. And the Software is very Stable. I don't think I will ever look for mac or logic again. Cubase for life🔥
Maybe you already know but i watched your video(thank you, i learned some things). FYI : LONG PRESS the E button next to the L and you will get your VSTi. I hope i could help👍
Heron, thankyouuu. Logic is now system overloading just by playing a few audios with no plugs. Terrible. I've been ok since 2014 but now, I'm on Mixbus. I'm very sad about that I'm it in Logic until I get my M1 iMac
Not only that. I use about 30-60 Stems in logic, 44Khz, and yet it says system overload. Then every-time i save and come back to record something the latency delays so much i have to manually move the track to the right bpm :/
one cons about cubase is that after every upgrade (not update), some say it costs almost the same price as buying a new cubase. Is it true? Pls correct me if Im wrong. Im in a big dilemma on which daw to start my work between logic & cubase..?
I went the opposite way. Heavy Cubase user since 6. I own 12 now and I feel like even though I’m comfortable in it, there’s still so much more I can do. I bought logic more for writing a quick demo for the band and getting it done fast. When I write in cubase I inevitably get too caught up with the mix which isn’t as important when just trying to share a quick song idea. It’s also refreshing to just use something else once in a while, to be completely honest.
It's funny but I see it exactly the same way you do. Logic songwriting, recording. Cubase (or other more complex daws) mixing etc. (doing technical work). Maybe it has something to do with the fact that apple makes products that are fun to use. Maybe's that's what leads us to do the fun stuff in logic :)
As far as I can tell routing a Group in Cubase has all the functionality as a summing stack plus more. Having said that, you can use AUX channels in Logic to get the exact same functionality as Cubase's Group channels.
@@conrow1157 Yes that's a good point, Cubase could make it easier to sync folders between project window and mixer. I also don't like the fact that you can't see VI's in the mixer in Cubase like you can in Logic.
..its so strange, cos' i had quite opposite experience..having so many crashes with cubase 12 so i went back to logic, logic crashes to me once in a month maybe twice...cubase crashes 5 times a week....im on big sur....regards
Glad Logic is working for you. I had no complaint about Logic except for the crashes. I literally had no choice but to change DAWs. Pro Tools is too slow for me to mix in because of it's lack of plugin management and visual alignment tool. Cubase has everything I need and so far it's very stable (I'm on cubase 11).
@@heronislandstudio8054 ...yes, cubase 12 is really amazing daw, so many features but i was so frustrated from crashing so i went back so logic..maybe i'll try it again soon..regards and best wishes
Lots of comments saying "great comparison," but those folks should read the video title. This video hand picked 15 ways in which Cubase is better than Logic. You can pick any DAW and come up with 15 strengths for that DAW over another. Every DAW has pros and cons. Logic has a great AI drummer that's super easy to use, and it also has the best tools for comping vocals that I've ever seen. If you want to mic a live band, Pro Tools has some best of class features for that. Reaper is more programmable and thus more powerful if you run a pro studio and routinely do repetitive tasks. Ableton Live is best for composition certain types of electronic music. And so on. I haven't had any issues with instability with Logic, so people shouldn't assume that's a universal thing. But if I couldn't run Logic, I'd run Cubase.
I'm fine with people calling this a comparison because I am giving my subjective opinions in the video. But I also agree with what your saying here. It is subjective and every DAW has its strengths and weaknesses depending on what an individual mixer needs or likes. Reaper is king if you like to get under the hood and program. Pro Tolls is very limited in that way, and arguably 15 years out of date in terms of plugin management, but many people love it's editing features and I would argue ergonomically it's one of the best for speed (which for me Reaper is not good in this regard). For me Cubase and Logic are great in that they are both ergonomically great, more programmable that Protools, great plugin management and great editing. Beyond that, as I tried to present in the video, there are pros and cons between them but as I say at the start of the video, it's just my view based on how I mix. The stability issue with Logic is a big problem, I've experienced it on five different machines and multiple version of the OS now. It's an issue with 3rd party plugins. Logic out of the box is rock solid. The problem is that it can't handle too many 3rd party plugins and remain stable (at least on the 5 machines I've used it extensively on). Cubase and Pro Tools have no such problems. I think it's a problem with the AU plugin format. If that wasn't an issue I'd happily mix on Logic or Cubase, they're both great DAWs.
@@heronislandstudio8054 Oh. That’s rather worrying. Ever worked out what was going on. I am on the fence right now between Logic and Cubase, Mac and Windows.
@@accentontheoff I never figured it out. Plugins are listed as the reason for crashes but these are plugins from the major vendors not some small developer or free plugins.
from what i experience with using logic pro and cubase pro is that if you are truly into using your own capablities and talent about creating your own tunes, cubase is the best choice. cubase is the best daw if you want to make it from the scratch.
the feature that most impressed me is the wave form size in the automation. However i don´t know if it is good to change the size all the time. Anyway Logic lost this one, one could have the option to activate or deactivate this. The colored automation is for me a reason to stay in Logic. Sometimes I automate 8 parameters; even though I lose control of them. I also did never imagine that Pro Tools is so behind in some things you mentioned, where Cubase and Logic are better. So Pro Tools is not the "Sauron" as CHristian HEnson says...
I think Pro Tools is "Sauron" because it is a great for recording lots of instruments at the same time. For that I think it's the easiest solution. But for mixing, for me, it's way behind Cubase and Logic. As you know Christian uses Logic by choice even though he has to move everything Pro Tools for delivery, it's clearly worth it to him to do that.
@@heronislandstudio8054 Yes the only thing i understood is that i should get used to Pro Tools when working with a mixer in a more professional crew for film music. I stick with Logjc and hope they get my…30 suggestion, like making logic remote friendly to notation of music, especial orchestral, and more like a midi CS. It is all there…
Cubase is better than all other daws hands down. Trust me
Yes, I'm starting to discover that
Nope ! 😂
@@lukather1 yes it is but ok 😂
It doesn't have a drummer like Logic Pro.
@@lukather1What do you prefer?
I love that the 'L' button can be used to dim other tracks rather than used as a hard solo, the amount of dim is set in control room. It's great for focusing on a track, yet still in context.
This video has been immensely helpful for me. Everything you said about why you switched to Cubase is spot on with my own evaluation of it. I love Logic like an old friend. But the reliability issues have really been a problem. And with support being almost nonexistent, I can hardly justify continuing to use it. Like you, I updated everything and was still having the exact same issues. Thanks so much for making this!
I'm glad it was helpful. Yes I feel it's a shame that Apple haven't kept on top of the technical details with Logic because is very nearly a really great mixing DAW and I love the work flow in Logic. But having sample accurate automation in Cubase means it takes me half the time to write effective automation (because I was spending so much time in Logic trying to get the timing to line up well on AUXs). Then there are the stability issues with 3rd party plugin in Logic which like you have plagued me through several computers and OS versions without improving.
I tried cubase, immediatly bought the pro licence a week later, it is lovely, was using reaper before.
Reaper is great, but cubase is just beautiful, such polished software.
I tried soooo hard to love Reaper...so awesome in so many ways, but ultimately, way too "geeky" for me == long learning curve. Chose Cubase.
I've tried many DAWs and recently downloaded Cubase. I started using it last week and haven't encountered any issues with MIDI or audio all the function it's pretty much the same as the others. but the sound quality is excellent, and the drivers have not caused me any problems. I love Cubase. Good video.
This vid came at the perfect time for me. I was a Logic user for 8-9 years before i switched to Windows in 2019 or '20, and over the past few years i've been trying to find my new go-to DAW to replace Logic. I spent time with Reaper and Studio One, but neither of them hit the mark for me. Reaper is impressive but i'm the same as you, i didn't like the ergonomics / layout. Studio One is okay but didn't feel like the perfect solution. I recently started trialling Cubase after a recommendation from a trusted audio friend and i can already feel like it's gonna be the one for me. This video really helped, i learned a lot, i'm definitely gonna commit to Cubase. Thanks for the vid!
Glad it was helpful!
How do you find windows. Any latency issues? I’m relatively new to this, but I’m in the same boat as you, down to trying out cubase and studio one.
@@accentontheoff Latency depends on your CPU, not the OS
@@Barncore But isn’t it always a Windows problem as opposed to a Mac problem. Or are you saying highly specced Windows machines don’t have latency.
@@accentontheoff Really high spec Windows machines have no issues if your interface is also decent.
But if you are using laptops, I would avoid Widows (my main rig is Windows right now BTW).
Great summary! One thing I also love with Cubase, is the Direct Routing. Via Direct Routing I e.g. can get 8 extra sidechain sends. That way I can have 8 sends + 8 sidechain buses on every track. (Hold down Shift when activating several Direct Routings). So I use sends for FX sends that need adjustable levels, and Direct Routing for Sidechain that don't need adjustable levels (only on/off). One thing I miss from PT still is the ability to see all Volume levels, pans, routing, inserts and sends without the need of a context sensitive inspector on the left side of the screen as I don't use the mixer that much anymore in Cubase.
Cheers. Thanks for the tip!
Just discovered your channel, subscribed after 10 minutes of video. Will watch the whole length soon. Thanks.
You can color each lane of automation. Select and change color. Click on back ground is a preference. You can also have horizontal cross hairs at the same time to quickly compare levels. You can also draw on the event, pencil automation style and use the handles simultaneously. I seldom use volume automation. Multiple configurable mixers. Mixer snap shots. You can copy back and forth or import from session to session and include instruments, channel settings and plug ins. The instrument rack I like so much better. All VSTI’s in one place instead of having to search the mixer to work in the instrument. Better. Just name the channel and the “piano” icon on the mixer on the VSTI channel opens the instrument. Also, cubase allows you to add out puts to the VSTI as you want them. You don’t have to choose mono or stereo versions of the VSTI when opening it. Good comparison. I’d like to see an in depth midi comparison.
Another nice feature of the Control Room is the cue sends. When mixing, I often use reference tracks(a rough mix, another song already mixed etc..). I have a Cue bus (I name it "Reference") set up in the CR that is not routed to any Speakers/output. I import the the reference tracks/rough mix to a track and do not route it anywhere, but send it to the Cue bus via a Cue sends on the Track (There is 4 of them). I put that track in Solo Defeat (Alt-click on solo). That way, I can always switch instantly between my mix and the reference mix with one button (Cue mix) in the Control Room regardless of the Solo or mute settings on the other tracks. It still goes through the inserts in the control room for listening corrections/metering/Headphone plugins etc...
Excellent comparison!
I actually switched from Cubase VST to Logic in 2004, then to Ableton around 2006, and back to Cubase around 2010... especially love the group editing, warping, and comping from lanes...
The thing that bothered me most in Logic was the level drop when tracks were sent to auxes...
Btw, I love what you shared about the control panel...
I also use Sonarworks and can use them with my speakers, headphones, and cue mixes also...
Crazy cool!
: )~
Great overview. You definitely missed the virtual instrument features and views. Use the instrument rack. Logic you can only see the virtual in that one place. In Cubase you have an instrument track. A midi track. The virtual rack. You have the piano icon everywhere that opens that instrument..
The instrument rack is the best solution. Open the rack, choose an instrument, select Chanel type and routing, DONE. You can see every virtual you are using in one place. You can set quick controls for any virtual and see those in one place. You can add more tracks for the instrument that are available right in the rack. The track links to the instrument and rack so when you choose the Chanel, IE midi its selected in the rack. Great for when you have 30 of them going. You can have the rack floating or you can dock the rack in the edit window. When creating an instrument you can choose the type of track you want to use. I just create midi tracks because that is where the work is and access the VI rack or icon on the Chanel to open the VI. You can name every VI channel and have the names show up in the instruments routing section. There are to many features to list here really. Logic is beyond annoying when it comes to VI’s and midi.
When logic was run by Emagic its was so much better. Remember “environments” Apple stripped it for garage band. I’m a composer so I use midi and VI all the time. Your a mixer so you probably don’t go there a much. Makes sense.
I like your organization in Cubase. Do you have any workflow type videos?
I'll see if I can do a workflow video at some point. Thanks for the suggestion.
Highly useful and pushed me over the line to finally decide on Cubase after some weeks of prior research. No regrets, it's amazingly efficient, logical and smooth, thanks.
Best DAW comparison I've ever seen. Everything clearly shown and explained too.
Amazing video, very complete! I started not long ago with Cubase 12 LE as my first DAW and always had doubts if the others were better, otherwise, I would prefer to learn in the others if Cubase were very limited, problematic, faulty, or lacking something important. Now I feel I'm on the right track and can move on to buy the Artist version. Thanks!
love your channel :) keep it up. Just subscribed.
Cheers!
Comprehensive video! Thanks for putting this together. Switched to Cubase for a lot of the same reasons. Crazy that this video is a hour and you didn’t even go deep into midi editing, which usually pushes Cubase over the edge for people. Love the way you organize your plug-in folders. Going to work on mine now haha!
Yes the midi editor is great in Cubase that and the Score editor which is also great could have a whole video just for that.
everything mentioned in this video, editing, bouncing is all possible in logic and was since 1997
@@mr.mikehunt4286 That's just not true Mike. Let's take just one example. In Cubase you can bounce multiple stems with and without FX, plus a stereo mix all in multiple formats all in the same bounce. You just can't do that in Logic.
@@heronislandstudio8054 bounce in place with a whole list of options fx, no fx, mono stereo, normalize, to same track/new track, audio-session library, etc etc way more advance and since 2009 ua-cam.com/video/v5l-8gAamlg/v-deo.html
@@heronislandstudio8054 omg, ofcourse you can, you select multiple tracks and choose bounce in place, you can even bounce a folder with both audio and midi to separate tracks/one track etc, the only thing logic could not do until 2014 was bounce aux/send tracks to a new track but most pple only do this when freezing tracks where still giving them errors cause they had too many and or a slow hd.
I've always been a Cubase user, but it's good to see a great professiojnal like you explaining why and how it's actually good
Cheers!
15:00 in Logic you can create a group, solo it, and deactivate it to solo just one horn. And with a CS you can use all the fingers to solo all together or un-solo it. You can so also mute the soloed tracks and keep just one, without using groups.
you cc an also bounce it, ,the shuck has no clue that Steinberg and Thomas at Emagic where friends, wrote the same codes, shared them and all, there is nothing Logic cant do that Cubase can BUT run on PC which is why he most likely made this video, nothing else and in fact there are a number of things Steinberg CANT do that Logic can, Cubase lacks better plugins, it sounds duller, it cant set up automation automatically for midi devices as fast as logic does graphically and mm most of all Logic was always the choice for pros working in the Major Label A&R offices....that says allot, its known that Nicky Kalliongis, Now with Republic Record only used logic on the 600 Plus plat records.
THATS TOO LONG A PROCESS. JUST A CLICK IN CUBASE
amazing video and one of the reasons i decided to demo both logic and cubase. one thing to note, you can save channel presets to be used throughout the entire program in pro tools. they can be saved to different folders, as well. i’m only aware of this change since February but that’s when i was looking for it.
Thanks. Unless it's changed recently, with Pro Tools you can import channels from other projects. I know some people save lots of projects with particular channel strips they want import. But that is an incredibly cumbersome way of working, having to open the import dialog and select what to import instead of just having it all there in a menu on each channel strip like most other DAWs. Maybe that's changed recently in Pro Tools and it's now available via the channel strip in a menu.,but I haven't seen it written about anywhere.
Incredible. i use both Cubase and Logic as well. could you do a separate video for that Color Macro? that blew my mind. I spend so much time coloring tracks
Nice comparison. I would like to hear about the differences wrt notation as well. Thank you for making this video!
Thanks. Logic's Score in my opinion is a bug ridden nightmare. I have scored many things using it and it's always been problematic. From it forgetting the layout after reopening the file to stupid things like combining two different notes a semi-tone apart that occurs at the same point in time into a singe note head with both an accidental and a natural sign next to them. No classical musician I've ever worked with (which is a good number) had any idea how to read that (so they all have to be found and then separated one at a time by hand!). Tupplets are a nightmare too, there's no easy way to get them to display correctly. Cubase's Score is a lot better in my opinion.
Another thing: LOADING VSTi is a BREEZE in Cubase/Nuendo
Select the “Media” tab in the Right Zone where CR, Meter, etc. exists and choose the icon “VST Instruments”
There will be default image placeholders with the name of the instrument below…just drag it into the section where you create Audio, MIDI, Folder, Group, VCA, etc. (Not in the actual waveforms/midi information lane section)
You will see a “green line” indicating that you can drop…(I.e. adding a track in between, above, or below an existing track)…and viola your instrument is loaded. **Be sure to click the camera icon** in the native Steinberg dialog box above the instrument to add the “image” of the instrument (as you will see) in place of the default placeholder. No other DAW performs the ability to load Instruments and Effects on a VISUAL level.
FYI: The “VSTi” tab in the Right Zone is where all the instruments in use or loaded exist. Steinberg's legacy method but better in the form of modules with mappable controls.
Selecting one draws focus to the instrument in the main window and mixer as a quick way of locating them in a large project.
Wow. Very good and quick overview of Logic Pro vs Cubase Pro from a person who uses and knows both products well.
I appreciate this video for opening my eyes to the capabilities of both Cubase and Logic.
Marketing hype and fan boys had me convinced that Logic Pro was a much better product.
I bought Cubase Pro 12 since they removed ilok requirement and I am yet to explore it.
This video has vindicated my decision to go with Cubase.
I might get Logic Pro later just to play with it.
This was not a good overview. This was someone who prefers Cubase Pro to Logic Pro, cherry picking advantages.
Great review of positive features compared to Logic. Very helpful to me as I've been vacillating between the two. Your points made my mind up. By the way, in Cubase 12 you can see a virtual instrument from mixer window if you open channel editor (use a key command) and hit the Edit VST Instrument button. A couple of steps but still pretty fast.
I've used almost all DAWs and Logic remains my number 1, at least for my type of application.
Logic can name sends and outputs in the matrix and you can set auto region coloring in preferences.
Hi Mark
Great video!
One thing though I have to correct you: Logic has the double solo function as well, plus as well the solo defeat. Double solo: when you have a couple of tracks soloed, and you wanna here just one of those tracks solo (double solo) select it and use Control+S. solo defeat: hold Control and click Solo button.
Great tip on the solong on Logic! Thanks Raffaele
@@heronislandstudio8054 Hey Mark, thanks to you for all your videos and efforts! have a good day.
I didn't know this, thanks!
What's the official name for it? Can't find anything on "double solo" in Logic.
@@barnyardrecordings Hi Barnyard. Official name I don't know. But Option-S command is soloing the selected track/channel. (the solo button on the track header). This is not the same as global Solo function. So this allows you to solo any number of tracks, and then click option-S to have a new soloed track within the soloed selection. :)
@@raffaelebossard4708 Thanks, I see. It's simply a higher priority solo mode. I noticed there is a risk of unknowingly using it and having strange solo behaviour. Other than that it works great.
Thank you so much for this. Super useful. I am considering leaving Logic in search of the best DAW for composers. I still don't know a lot in Logic, but I was expecting the automation to be better. I would like to know if the faders on the tracks are post automation or not. I hate that in logic you cannot adjust overall volumes from the mixer, because they are post automation..is like - for those using logic - the read mode "trim" should be ON the faders.. not in the arrange window.
Other that I see Cubase has more juice probably. However, Logic DOES have that function that will draw an automation line from the parameters you would adjust ON the plugins "knobs". It definitively has it
I'm a long time Cubase user and I learned new work flow enhancements here. Thank you so much.
wow. I learned a lot. command click and you hear the chord? just wow.
I'm sure you know, on the mixer if you click and HOLD the e button down there next to the M S and L buttons, it will pop up your instrument for that channel.
I did not know that! That is such a great time saving tip! Thanks!
hold command and press the edit channel settings button and it will bring up the virtual instrument. Yeah, you can't see it as an insert but you can open it quickly at least.
thank you for the video, but thank you even more for the time stamps in the description. super helpful 👍
Very very nice info from a real pro! Thank you!!!! I have been using Motu DP since 1990 and Logic pro X but they are not stable enough to my expectations. Stability first and great efficiency are so important. Happy to learned so much from you. Again, Merci Beaucoup!
Excellent video comparison. I’m two days in on my trial of Cubase 13 pro, the drum editor mode is a huge difference, also being able to enter piano roll notes without holding command I like seamlessly with out switching to a tool. I was feeling to lazy to learn another day after like 5, thought logic was my perfect daw but for $250 with there current promotion you might have sold me on it to invest in it and accept the learning curve lol
Mark, thanks so much for such an in depth, informative video. I'm trying to setup my key commands / logical editor to auto colorize tracks similar to how you've done, but I can't figure out 1. How to have the key command execute a macro with many logical editor steps (and actually work), 2. How to have the colors recognize upper vs. lower case for audio vs group/aux/fx tracks. If you'd like to explain here for everyone that would work, otherwise I could send you an email with some screenshots?
Thanks!
It's complicated to explain. Greg Ondo shows how to do this in a video. Search for him and cubase and you should find it. It's also listed somewhere on this site: cubaseindex.com/
@@heronislandstudio8054 Okay, thanks for your prompt reply. I've seen the Greg Ondo video and I can create a command to color some tracks based on name, but haven't figured out how to create a hotkey that will execute many project logical editor commands at once. Also haven't figured out how to make it differentiate based on all caps. But I'll check out that website it looks like a great resource thanks!
How on earth did you do the horizontal resizing on the mixer in 9:22-9:25? Is this a Cubase 12 feature? Great video
Thanks. It works in Cubase 11, I'm not on 12 yet. Its a key command. I'm not sure if it's mapped by default or if I mapped it myself. For me it's command [ and ]
I don't have Cubase open right now, but if you use CTRL, or ALT, or Shift (don't know which) when scrolling with the mouse wheel, the function changes.
This also makes scrolling and scaling in the project super comfortable. Just try it out.
Hello! I love you colour scheme. Is it possible you can share them or tell me where to get them? Thank you!
I am a Digital Performer user (for over 30 years now), no complaints! I've done a lot of all kinds of productions, ...recording, mixing, mastering, in and outboard processing, synths, midi etc and synced with film/video material! ...i must say, i don't need another DAW! Digital Performer is very flexible and customiseble and stabile!
...if a DAW crashes often, the reason is normally some of the (third party) plug in(s) on open project!
I’ve been struggling with the stability of Logic myself. I’ve been messing with Bitwig which has some awesome devices and modulation options, but the midi writing is terrible compared to Logic. I wish Logic would do what Bitwig has done with plug-ins loading in containers so just the plug-in crashes and not the whole project.
It's a real problem for a lot of people. There was a time when Logic almost never crashed, I remember going for months without a crash. Those were the good old days. 🙂
I originally came from Studio One Professional to Logic. The one thing I fell in love with Studio One for was their advanced hand mastering processes. Since then, upgrading my VSTs, ozone has made that part of S1 moot which is what made me move to logic. But unfortunately now running up to 50-80 tracks at 44Khz I’m getting a ton of overload issues on a newer Mac. It’s cheaper for me to upgrade to Cubase (I have a 64gb ram and 13th gen intel laptop with a 3080TI) which having Cubase be cross compatible removes that roof when we hit that ceiling when we are tracking.
Hello, great video as always. You convinced me making the move from PT. Do you mind explaining how you setup the Logical editor for naming and colour coding ? This would save me time when starting mixes
hi you can see this and other function here! ;)
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Great vid a lot Good info, by the way quicker way to make the automation is to move the botton that you want to automate and it will appear without having to search it...
Cheers! And thanks for the tip.
I dropped Pro Tools for Cubase in 2012 . . . In 2013, I added Samplitude Pro X for Editing Mixing and Mastering . . I now record all of my Acoustic projects in Samplitude, and I keep Cubase for Composing in Midi.
. . . Samplitude's Mixer has always been the Boss . . . Yet Cubase is definately catching up . . . The Double Solo feature in Cubase is a great new addition that all DAWs should adopt . . . I am very happy to see Cubase getting so much Love . . . ! . . . :-)
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Hey man, nice vid - really enjoying the walkthrough, especially since I’m daw curious.
Wanted to let you know that logic does have some of the features you wish it did-they’re just accessible in a different way.
Things like bouncing busses in place are possible if you pencil a region into the bus, for instance. Rendering an aux track is possible with the export command, which creates the ability to workaround for sonarworks if you want, without bypassing.
Double solo is also possible in the form of track solo and region solo, which I agree comes in super handy.
Mouse wheel resizing is achieved by holding two keys (I think alt and command but I have them by rote not name) and using the mouse wheel. Sounds like Cubase has this down really well tho.
I agree - that line is so important. In post production and podcast editing too, which has no grid. I have no idea why it’s not in pro tools.
Anyway all of this is moot if logic is unstable on your system, which I totally understand. But if you do get it to be stable, those features do await you back in lpx!
Thanks these are very useful tips! With Export, can you specify bouncing just a single AUX? The double solo thing you are describing is also how I do it in Logic but it's not quite the same as Cubase's double solo which is mixer channel based. That makes it a lot quicker and more flexible (at least for the way I work), plus you can also solo regions of course. I didn't know about the mouse wheel resizing! That's very handy. Thanks. Yes Logic became unstable on all three of my machines, gradually more and more over the past few versions. I'm still mixing in it regularly (because a lot of clients hand me logic projects) and am actually totally happy with it apart from the instability. Thanks again for the tips!
@@heronislandstudio8054 the way I do it is, I make the aux available to me in the arrange window (control t or create track from mixer window), and then I use the pencil to create a blank region. I stretch the region out from beginning to end, then j can export it like any other track (command e).
The nice thing about using regions on auxes in this way is you can also move automations really quickly if you’re moving an arrangement around. This is how I handle all my reverbs for fiction podcasts for instance-if I need to move a whole scene over to accommodate an edit, I can make sure I grab any associated automated effects on auxes as well and move them with the regions at the same time
@@nickmessitte1721 Nice tip thanks!
@@heronislandstudio8054Would you please elaborate on the stability issues you’ve encountered?
Hi. You can adjsut the "Listen" -Level and even the behavior of that in the Controll-Room
For recording electronic drums in midi format, we recommend cubase 13 or logic pro?
Thanks for the video. Can you share the pastel color scheme for Cubase? Looks great.
Seconded
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Hi :-) I just got Cubase and want to ask how you got those colours ? Because my version 11 pro does not look like that ? :-) What settings are you on if that is not to much to ask ? :-)
You can create any colours you want it's in the Project menu.
This was an especially good presentation! I do like your narration. :)😄
Thank you! Just a side question, do you recommend any course on the internet to learn Cubase/Nuendo? I know I could learn the DAW slowly by reading the manual but I really want to speed up the learning process as Cubase/Nuendo is very deep
Check the UA-cam channel of Anthony Chisnall called One man and his songs. The best of all!
@@jocelynjosssheehy2970 Thank you!
Just bought Cubase. But have you tried Studio One. Many are using that for Mixing.
I haven't tried it. I have heard that people are using it for mixing. I'm not sure what it has to offer that Cubas or Logic don't have.
automation point value can be typed in in the event editor in LPX
Watching this a year later after I haphazardly updated to Sonoma 17.4 and all my Ilok plugins like UA and Soundtoys cause errors in Logic Pro and won’t open on my newish 2023 M2 Pro Mac mini. There’s a workaround through Rosetta but unacceptable. I switched back to my Studio one Professional which continues to work flawlessly during this time
What a nightmare! Its a real shame with all their vast resources that Apple have decided not to care about backwards compatibility. Its not fair on the users or the developers.
@@heronislandstudio8054 completely agree. Even “funnier”….apple came out today with a “fix” for this very issue and it still doesn’t work. Your content is super helpful thanks!
After seeing your video 2 years ago I made the final switch to Logic. Now it seems Cubase is next. I had dismissed it as some PC-only old-timer DAW. A lot of these differences are exactly what I've been missing in Logic.
Yes I only looked into Cubase because Logic had become so unstable. I knew Cubase was often the film composer's DAW of choice but I didn't realise just how great it was for mixing music.
@@heronislandstudio8054 I’m going to try it out, they even have a crossgrade offer right now.
Hoping it works for tracking too. In Logic I love being able to switch between track alternatives and take folders, and low latency monitoring if need be. Lots of great features in Logic, but a lot of frustrating issues too.
@@JayBeBerg Cubase has functions very similar to track alternatives and take folders and it has a low latency mode.
@@heronislandstudio8054 Thanks, that all sounds great. Although I'm just trying it now and no sound is coming out at all. Will need to dive into the manual I'm afraid, or find a good tutorial series somewhere.
@@JayBeBerg Try Studio menu, Audio Connections, Outputs tab. Choose your outputs from Device Port column.
Glad to find this video. I switch back from software instrument and the audio interface on Logic and still get latency
For the video author/others: Is the VST-crashing problem fixed in newer versions of Logic? There has been at least one major update if memory serves right.
It is really nice to hear about this. One can tell that you have really great knowledge about music production. And the things you compare is very advanced and hard to know without many years of professional use. Thanks for sharing! I`m a Cubase user since the very beginning and I think that working with MIDI ,Cubase is the best DAW! Also its the fastest way to make score of music. The drum editor is outstanding. Handling audio production is as great as any DAW. I´ve working with students for 30 years and its very easy to get going. To have such a great DAW for every kind of music production is great.But there are things that could be better. To many upgrades all the time is irritating and expensive. The synths are low budget. Such great DAW should include better sound quality in VST instruments. But if you accept buying plugins you should have a good life with small problems to handle. I have Halion6, Native instruments (I bought a Kontakt MIDI keyboard) and Addictive Drums 2. These plugins give me enough options for me. I think Steinberg have done a good job on audio processing. The FX sounds great so I don´t know whats missing there. Then I´ve also use Logic mainly to compare the DAW:s. But I compose music and use a lot of MIDI and therefore Cubase is outstanding!/Greatings!
GREAT VIDEO!!!! Thanks for your time. I was a Cubase user long long time ago (since my atari), but i switched to logic (7 years ago or maybe more!? :D). Logic crashes sometimes with some plugins or maybe its something else :). I like the midi editor in Cubase, and automation style, but miss the name of the instrument on the mixer. Ill try again. :) Really thanks for the video. The control room rocks.
Cheers! You can have the names of audio channels on the mixer in cubase. But if you mean virtual instruments showing up in the mixer like a plugin, no they don't. You can open them from the mixer channel though by alt clicking on the "e" button.
@@heronislandstudio8054 yeah, i mean virtual instruments, but thats really not that important :). Ill try with the "e"... thanks. :D
This vertical line for visual alignment is something that i still miss since i switched from Cubase to Protools back in 2007 :)
Yes for music which is not on a grid (like jazz, classical and a lot of acoustic music) I find the vertical line essential for fast editing and automation.
the auto fade-in fade-out can also be done in Logic - in the left pane under the respective headings. It then applies to all regions in the track.
Yes but you need to do it on a track by track basis and you need to select all regions on a track and if you have already set some of the fades by hand (which is often the case) it destroys those fades. All pretty fiddly and time consuming. Both Cubase and Pro Tools allow a global auto fade setting for all edits, which you can then edit of course.
Thanks for the video.I'm thinking about switching to Cubase/Nuendo myself.for the reasons you mentioned and more . I've been a logic user since v6.but I've been learning cubase through online tutorials like these and now I'm tempted to just make the switch the production and mixing workflow seems familiar to me.almost like logic on steroids.
Yes I found Cubase really quick and easy to adjust to moving from Logic/Pro Tools. It felt completely fluent after a week and I never looked back.
@@heronislandstudio8054 thanks.do you hear a difference in sound between pro tools,logic??.IMHO logic seems a bit darker
@@nickbaptiste3047 I think I saw somewhere that someone did some tests and Pro Tools and Logic nulled perfectly if you just bounce out audio. 3rd party effects might vary from DAW to DAW a little even with the same plugin.
Just curious... Can you make Cubase so that you can start and stop playing by pressing the space bar? The one time I messed with Cubase (which did not do this), I found that particular feature of Logic was something I just couldn't live without.
Yes absolutely you can do that, that's I have it set up. All key commands are configurable.
@@heronislandstudio8054 Ok, Thank you.
@@newguy6935 What I've been really annoyed at with other daws is how customisable they are. for instance Ableton doesn't let you change key commans!! I mean COME ON! If I could use the same key commans for each daw then I'd be an ableton customer as well as cubase but alas.
but my point is that if you're used to doing something in one daw and want to work that way in cubase you can most always find away to do that.
the double solo function is easily done in Logic by creating Groups and then just soloing the instrument you want within that. it doesn't take more time and can be done literally in seconds.
That method is not working here if I understand what you're saying correctly (which I might not be). With group solo on all channels in the group are soloed when you solo any one of them. What's great in cubase is that you can solo a set of channels or an AUX (like a drum bus) and then solo individual tracks within that (double solo) without loosing your previous solo selection when you remove the double solo. I've not found a way to do that in Logic, but if there is one I'd love to know it! 😀
@@heronislandstudio8054 the same is possible in Logic.
@@mrnorbotron3308 Can you explain how to do this? Thanks.
CUBASE IS WITHIN A SECOND
Have you tried out studio one ? Pretty nice one
What version of cubase are you using?
well, first things first. THANK YOU! That's over an hour of stuff to go through for me in Cubase and revisit and brush up. YET ... there is more o_0
Everybody's different but you can have the selected track(s) resized to a larger size and the rest much smaller if you wish. You can use the cycle markers and navigate/zoom fast as "#¤%"¤. Much better than the regular markers. No mention of the MIDI remote, the track configuration for hiding what you don't need, the integration between the score editor / key editor, expression maps, drum maps ... BUUUUT ... then it would be a three week long video that you wouldn't have uploaded until 2034 so I guess you know what you're doing haha! Thanks again! :D
I use Cubase 13 pro as my main DAW and the Reason Rack. I use Reason for some tracks but Cubase is on another level.
BIG YES! Thank you for saying out loud my thoughts!
I appreciate your hard work. Thank you so much!!
I really like have the automation set to regions in Logic not tracks , can you do this in Cubase ?
Late reply but yes you can.
Have you tried Cubase with a control surface, like the SSL UF8 or Presonus FaderPort? One concern I have with Cubase is 3rd party hardware integration. I always see support for Ableton and Logic due to their popularity, but once into Cubase, Reaper, BitWig and StudioOne support is hit or miss.
With Cubase 12 new midi remote system there's no need for a controller "to be integrated with Cubase", that's a revolution. I use every piece of hardware that sends midi CC as controller, for example all my synthesizers like Andromeda, Virus, OB12 and so on
PS. it was possible also on the old midi remote system, just a bit more tedious to organise
I have one of the old faderports single fader version and it works great with cubase 11. But as The Monk Beats says, with Cubase 12 anything that sends midi cc can be linked to anything you like. The only restriction with Cubase (which I find frustrating) is that as far as I can tell (I might be wrong), you can't have one controller CC controlling parameters on more than one channel at a time. That's a huge restriction if you are used to using things like MainStage or Ableton for live work (and some modern mixing techniques) where you can control as many parameters on as many channels as you want simultaneously with one CC. Really not sure why they stopped short of doing this with Cubase 12 (maybe there's some low level code that prevents it).
I do use SSL uf8 with Cubase and also I have UC1 and Softube console 1, all of them work really good, a bit different from protools but you can’t anyway expect like 100% compatibility with all DAW’s
I am still using protools but seems like a cubase is very interesting to move on
Cubase and Nuendo are THE BEST for professionals in my opinion too.
What does CUBASE retail for ($$$), please ?
You can synchronise project and mix view, you just have to activate sync view button
Hi .in logic when i record external synth or bounce midi to audio it doesn't sit on the grid & each time i need to move it manually . I tried all .i wonder if cubase doesn't have this problem .tjanks
The problem isn't Logic, its you.
I was also a Logic user until my iMac started crashing. I couldn't tell whether it was my mac or logic that was the problem. Now I see it's a common problem among logic users. Anyway I switched to Windows and tried Cubase. I have never looked back since then. Cubase is awesome in every way. At first I used to fear that I wouldn't get the same quality I used to get in Logic but I was wrong. Cubase sounds are all the way quality in that some of my projects are sounding better in terms of quality than those I did in Logic. Midi and especially Audio features are also amazingly awesome. For instance their Sampler Track is outstandingly awesome. Audio Quantizing is razor sharp accurate. And the Software is very Stable. I don't think I will ever look for mac or logic again. Cubase for life🔥
Maybe you already know but i watched your video(thank you, i learned some things).
FYI : LONG PRESS the E button next to the L and you will get your VSTi.
I hope i could help👍
Heron, thankyouuu. Logic is now system overloading just by playing a few audios with no plugs. Terrible. I've been ok since 2014 but now, I'm on Mixbus. I'm very sad about that I'm it in Logic until I get my M1 iMac
Not only that.
I use about 30-60 Stems in logic, 44Khz, and yet it says system overload.
Then every-time i save and come back to record something the latency delays so much i have to manually move the track to the right bpm :/
one cons about cubase is that after every upgrade (not update), some say it costs almost the same price as buying a new cubase. Is it true? Pls correct me if Im wrong. Im in a big dilemma on which daw to start my work between logic & cubase..?
Just 99$ Cubase amazing
@@Karaokeviethay for upgrade?
@@lllPNTlll yes
That’s also for the .5 upgrade NOT each upgrade
I went the opposite way. Heavy Cubase user since 6. I own 12 now and I feel like even though I’m comfortable in it, there’s still so much more I can do. I bought logic more for writing a quick demo for the band and getting it done fast. When I write in cubase I inevitably get too caught up with the mix which isn’t as important when just trying to share a quick song idea. It’s also refreshing to just use something else once in a while, to be completely honest.
Agree
I went Logic Pro from Cubase and I found I can write song more easily .
But I still miss some features in Cubase
It's funny but I see it exactly the same way you do. Logic songwriting, recording. Cubase (or other more complex daws) mixing etc. (doing technical work). Maybe it has something to do with the fact that apple makes products that are fun to use. Maybe's that's what leads us to do the fun stuff in logic :)
Summing stacks is a much more organised way to route multiple tracks to a bus than its possible in cubase. Or do I miss a thing here?
As far as I can tell routing a Group in Cubase has all the functionality as a summing stack plus more. Having said that, you can use AUX channels in Logic to get the exact same functionality as Cubase's Group channels.
@@heronislandstudio8054 yes but it’s more complicated to synch the open/close folder between the mixer and arrangement tracks.
@@conrow1157 Yes that's a good point, Cubase could make it easier to sync folders between project window and mixer. I also don't like the fact that you can't see VI's in the mixer in Cubase like you can in Logic.
@@heronislandstudio8054 Strange thing yes
..its so strange, cos' i had quite opposite experience..having so many crashes with cubase 12 so i went back to logic, logic crashes to me once in a month maybe twice...cubase crashes 5 times a week....im on big sur....regards
Glad Logic is working for you. I had no complaint about Logic except for the crashes. I literally had no choice but to change DAWs. Pro Tools is too slow for me to mix in because of it's lack of plugin management and visual alignment tool. Cubase has everything I need and so far it's very stable (I'm on cubase 11).
@@heronislandstudio8054 ...yes, cubase 12 is really amazing daw, so many features but i was so frustrated from crashing so i went back so logic..maybe i'll try it again soon..regards and best wishes
I started with Nuendo. Then went to Cubase. never did anything else. I always wonder if the grass is greener on the other side.
Good video, you should try Studio one, too
CUBASE COPYCAT ACTUALLY
@@oloruntosinkinyomi9562 I use both and it is not a copy, it is that the developers of studio one previously worked developing cubase
Lots of comments saying "great comparison," but those folks should read the video title. This video hand picked 15 ways in which Cubase is better than Logic. You can pick any DAW and come up with 15 strengths for that DAW over another. Every DAW has pros and cons. Logic has a great AI drummer that's super easy to use, and it also has the best tools for comping vocals that I've ever seen. If you want to mic a live band, Pro Tools has some best of class features for that. Reaper is more programmable and thus more powerful if you run a pro studio and routinely do repetitive tasks. Ableton Live is best for composition certain types of electronic music. And so on. I haven't had any issues with instability with Logic, so people shouldn't assume that's a universal thing. But if I couldn't run Logic, I'd run Cubase.
I'm fine with people calling this a comparison because I am giving my subjective opinions in the video. But I also agree with what your saying here. It is subjective and every DAW has its strengths and weaknesses depending on what an individual mixer needs or likes. Reaper is king if you like to get under the hood and program. Pro Tolls is very limited in that way, and arguably 15 years out of date in terms of plugin management, but many people love it's editing features and I would argue ergonomically it's one of the best for speed (which for me Reaper is not good in this regard). For me Cubase and Logic are great in that they are both ergonomically great, more programmable that Protools, great plugin management and great editing. Beyond that, as I tried to present in the video, there are pros and cons between them but as I say at the start of the video, it's just my view based on how I mix. The stability issue with Logic is a big problem, I've experienced it on five different machines and multiple version of the OS now. It's an issue with 3rd party plugins. Logic out of the box is rock solid. The problem is that it can't handle too many 3rd party plugins and remain stable (at least on the 5 machines I've used it extensively on). Cubase and Pro Tools have no such problems. I think it's a problem with the AU plugin format. If that wasn't an issue I'd happily mix on Logic or Cubase, they're both great DAWs.
I haven't got the same amount of colour options as you for some reason
Does Cubase has I/O Labels?
Yes it does
Logic Never had crush on Me! But Use Cubase too and Abletin Live!
The Logic crashing issues. Were you, perhaps, experiencing them on one of the new M1 machines.
No these are intel. Four different macs and different versions of the OS.
@@heronislandstudio8054 Oh. That’s rather worrying. Ever worked out what was going on. I am on the fence right now between Logic and Cubase, Mac and Windows.
@@accentontheoff I never figured it out. Plugins are listed as the reason for crashes but these are plugins from the major vendors not some small developer or free plugins.
@@heronislandstudio8054 Okay, thanks for sharing.
from what i experience with using logic pro and cubase pro is that if you are truly into using your own capablities and talent about creating your own tunes, cubase is the best choice.
cubase is the best daw if you want to make it from the scratch.
The Arranger Track. Reaper has similar workflow aide but its not nearly as beautifully laid out.
Awesome presentation,thanks
Cheers!
the feature that most impressed me is the wave form size in the automation. However i don´t know if it is good to change the size all the time. Anyway Logic lost this one, one could have the option to activate or deactivate this.
The colored automation is for me a reason to stay in Logic. Sometimes I automate 8 parameters; even though I lose control of them. I also did never imagine that Pro Tools is so behind in some things you mentioned, where Cubase and Logic are better. So Pro Tools is not the "Sauron" as CHristian HEnson says...
I think Pro Tools is "Sauron" because it is a great for recording lots of instruments at the same time. For that I think it's the easiest solution. But for mixing, for me, it's way behind Cubase and Logic. As you know Christian uses Logic by choice even though he has to move everything Pro Tools for delivery, it's clearly worth it to him to do that.
@@heronislandstudio8054 Yes the only thing i understood is that i should get used to Pro Tools when working with a mixer in a more professional crew for film music. I stick with Logjc and hope they get my…30 suggestion, like making logic remote friendly to notation of music, especial orchestral, and more like a midi CS. It is all there…
I love both
I am og Cubase user from 1996, and I cna be biased, but really, can't compare the two in terms of features, especially MIDI and mixing.
I use logic and never do anything big or complex in it and it still crashes...slow to open also. 4 or so years ago it seemed better
Great video! Thank you so much for your time!
Cheers!
Finally the truth! Logic was good for many years but in past couple years it has been totally unstable. Looking at Reaper and Cubase.