How a small New Zealand town is fighting back against organised crime | Stuff.co.nz
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- Kaikohe in central Northland has been in the spotlight recently, with a number of public gang clashes in the streets and surrounding areas. Read more: bit.ly/3wZz2j4 | Subscribe: bit.ly/2JPg8oB
A climate of fear enveloped the Far North town of Kaikohe after two formerly allied gangs locked horns in a series of violent clashes. But proud locals are refusing to let organised crime run riot in what they say remains a good place with a bright future.
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I feel for this town. When I was 8 years old we lived in Hansford Court, a new subdivision in Gisborne NZ. The new subdivision was built behind the DB Hotel which was a regular drinking spot for alot of mongrel mob gang members. So the pub carpark, which seemed so huge at the time, was about 20 metres up the road from our house. One afternoon, me and my best friend were heading down toward the carpark which we used to cut through to get to the local dairy. We were halfway through the carpark when three Bedford trucks pulled up and black power gang members began jumping out from the back with baseball bats, macheties, knives, and I even saw one with a gun.
Now that viseral feeling overwhelmed me and my friend, as we both had grown up seeing violence nearly on a daily basis so we knew shit was about to go down. We were about 20 feet away from the trucks when one of the guys who'd just jumped out, turned to us and said 'go home now!' and we began backing up and then sprinted toward home, but when we got 20 metres away, we ducked down behind a mound on our tummys and watched what unfolded.
It was all on. Mongrel mob members were filing out of the pub doors, and began attacking the black power members. Now, I told you that we were pretty immune to violence in those days but nothing prepared me for what was unfolding before our very eyes. I saw one guy come in with a machete and nearly cut a man's arm off, another who was already on the ground and being stabbed repeatedly, someone else lay on the ground with a dent in his head and blood everywhere and the sprays of blood was what got to me the most even to this day.
The locals were trying to defuse the violence but there was no stopping it.
People who have lived in these kind of communities know violence as a way of life, but there's always this inner basic viseral feeling when you witness extreme violence on this scale. All the niceties of society are stripped away, leaving you with the most urgent of messages screaming in your head to run for your life. After the police arrived, there was a standoff but the damage had been done.
We sprinted back to my place and my friend vomited on the back lawn and we were both shaking. When mum came back from work, we told her about what we saw and she said to never let anyone else know that we saw anything. So we did. We were just kids but the PTS that came afterward was sometimes too much to bear considering we still had our neighbours fighting, across the road one of our neighbours had no problem dragging his wife out the front door and locking her out all battered and bruised for everyone to see. My mum (who was a single mum with no help from our father) knew what that felt like and allowed the neighbor to come to our place and sit with her till the husband calmed down and would come to get her.
So now as a grandmother, I still have anxiety due to what I witnessed. I can only hope that this situation in my homeland Aotearoa, New Zealand, will not escalate and continue. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone in this town. Kia Kaha Kaikohe.
I totally feel for you, thank you for sharing your experience.
Stay safe, God bless you 🙏
"Visceral" you like that word don't you?
Kinda like saying "Velocia Raptor"...
Good story though, you're lucky to have seen that. Woulda been an awesome memory. Good thing the members were nice enough to warn ya.
Far that is alot to go through
Thats heavy.
@@tritesy- ''What is the meaning off that word- ???- ''Visceral.'' ???
The Justice System in NZ is an absolute Joke 🤡
My sister in law lived there for many years. It used to be a lovely little town. It’s a scary place now, I don’t even like driving down the street. I never want to go back there - so much anger 🥹
I'm stuck living in northland and I'm sick of the gangs and drugs being around and normalized!
sorry to hear that, its no way to live. Ever considered moving?
Tell them to use the brother's boat, go for a dive an sell what you don't eat to the supermarket. Get the kids to sell fruit and watercress to sell for food empire being built.
NZ police should be truely ashamed of their cowardice when dealing with gang members , gangs are causing issues in our city and you see the cops looking the other way because they are to chicken to do their job , the police would rather hand out tickets for ma and pa drivers 5 kmh over the speed limit and call that job done
you would be too if you get shot. arm all police to defend the.selves. and security must be able to protect themselves.
Um they try to help the kids that is the only way, but the police put their families in danger, they live in that same community their kids go to school in those communities.
Cowardice? YOU try going up against the big NZ PC clobbering machine and see what happens. The Police have got their hands tied. They can't do a bloody thing that even looks like infringing on these bastards' rights without the weight of the media coming down on them. You should be grateful our Police are still in business, the amount of times they've had to pay out to these scum-bags for failing to dot an i or cross at.
It's not the poilces fault it's the laws of the land take it up with the government The police have no power
Yes the Police are just like the gangs, once on their own they have no principals . I prefer not to involve third parties if I wish to stand up to a problem .
Shameful come on get rid of the gangs '
Why? They're cool..
@@jasonkai6326 You join a gang when you cant stand on your own 2 feet. That says alot about you
The govt needs to declare gangs as domestic terrorists.
They tried and can't
@@carlosyeet7835 Try harder
They will never lol. They'll give them money and host meetings with them
The gangs are funded and actually run the cities n towns weather or not the police want to admitt this or the council this is how it is 💯
And then what? There needs to be a clear definition of a terrorist, and drug gangs. They are not the same. However, using laws similar to those used on terrorists, now I'm all for that.
The more gangs, violence and crimes are accepted as normal, the worse it gets.
Don't get fooled by the "they don't mess with us, just bash at each other, so it's fine", it won't last.
Trust me, I know some countries and regions that are some of the most violent on the planet, but it only got like that after the population gradually accepted increasing crime and too much leniency towards criminals. Criminals aren't victims, they either get punished harshly and get back in civilized society as a civilized human or they should get back in jail or just asked to leave the country.
I agree with you. Responsibility to me means being part of a community which lifts up. Not spiral down.
This is actually blatantly wrong if you look at statistics around the world. The places with the hardest judicial punishments have the highest reofending rates, locking people out of the society only creates more anger and violence. Look at a place like Norway or Sweden and you can see they've gotten their reofending rate down to less then 5% of everyone who goes throigh the system. Education and pathways are the only real way to change someone's life. Treating someone like an animal only makes them act more like one
Kaos Warrior I grew up in beautiful Taranaki in the 60s and 70s and the various gangs, along with the violence etc, were viewed as a normal part of Kiwi life back then!
I even remember one particular gang being like unofficial security guards at a hotel in New Plymouth.
I also recall witnessing a brawl between rival gangs in a street in the CBD and the police didn't even turn up, whereas many would be there within minutes nowadays, which is understandable. I was in a shop with my sister at the time, so the owner locked us all inside, for obvious safety reasons.
Luckily, no one was stabbed, or killed, and they eventually stopped of their own accord, then got on their bikes and left as quickly as they'd arrived.
I won't go into anymore details because it's way too much, except to mention that I do understand why people join gangs etc. I was drawn to the people and lifestyle myself, due to childhood trauma issues, which is often the case. 😥
I live near Chicago and it's a nightmare. The local newspaper has an interactive site where you can follow all the latest shootings. Once they get big they can start paying off the cops and buying politicians. Don't let it get that bad.
Sadly we hear and see this behavior more and more across the country. There are no consequences in NZ. The justice system needs to be looked at to make people think twice about what they are doing. But the behaviour from these thugs shouldnt be tolerated and deserve a lot more than a slap on the hand.
Well said
Your way of thinking is the exact reason why this is carrying on today . Instead of fixing the root cause you try and increase the punishment as a deterrent , which doesnt work.
@@sonofnaphtalifromisrael8531 you're wrong, history will prove that fear is the ultimate deterrent. Not everybody is capable of processing diplomacy.
@@timwilliam9855 Yet to hear a single good argument that was proceeded by "history will prove that". You would have thought that given how much history we have as humans it would have been proven already, and yet it's not. Same thing as saying "nah bro the past 10,000 years of human history might not have my back right now bro but the next 10 years just wait".
@@timwilliam9855 History proves that fear is the ultimate deterrent? People been breaking laws with much harsher punishments then jail time through out history. They use to kill people in different ways and still people broke those laws.
My friend who lives in Kaikohe was bashed over the head while walking the dog in the park, without provocation or warning. Result: a bad concussion, loss of trust in humanity. Probably a gang initiation?
New Zealand is a place where criminals and criminal activity are encouraged, they thrive there. Many kiwis are law abiding citizens, but the ones that aren't are often left to continue doing whatever they want. New Zealand would rather blame the majority of society for the actions of criminals than actually punish criminals.
There's more bad than good . Itl never be even nit when new Zealand makes it so easy to be lazy paid for been a junkie and the rest free houses why work when u can be a gang member or dealer make 3 x the money plus get free food power housing ect . Government needs to rake a step back and start helping really family in need not just some bitch that got knocked up by 7 dofrent guys. And my taxes is what she be living on while drinking ect . It's joke new Zealand is a joke .it's embarrassing
Funny your not the first to say that every small town and city has its woes and the mobs run it like a brand new super market your absolutely 💯🗣 right ✅
Is this state of rising crime (being under reported and not actually addressed), unique to New Zealand?
It seems to me that many places around the world are experiencing similar anarchy.
The Bible speaks of a time coming where 'everyone does what is right in his own eyes'
I believe that time is now. The time coming is going to be severely difficult, but those to cry out to God in prayer for his mercy and forgiveness, will be saved.
It's not too late yet, but the times of the end are very near.
"Seek the Lord while he may be found, call upon him while he is near.
Let the wicked forsake his way and the evil man, his thoughts.
Let him return to the Lord and He will have mercy upon him;
And to our God, for He will freely pardon.
Muldoon tried to engage with gangs back in the 1980's, 2022 gangs are a generational social construct. Theirs the relocation from South Auckland taken advantage of the 5k relocation grant, and the 501s from Australia, this is compounding the social marginalisation. Luxons answer will be to build more prisons.
How so? Prison inst a very good encouragement. If you mean the wealth inequality imposed by our politicians causing poverty and therefore violence then I would agree
Coward politician are scared to do anything about them
coward police to , i saw a gang member do a burnout in front of 2 cops and they just looked down at their phones and pretended it wasnt happening
These gang members like the rest of the NZ population need decent job opportunities and wages that go with it. When people have nothing to do, when life is very expensive and near impossible to exist on crap wages, people turn to illegal activities to survive. The government should be investing in industry, manufacturing etc to create employment opportunities. Get the country working hard, this is how you eliminate many social problems. It's not just NZ either, Australia is becoming the same. Our governments and corporate giants have destroyed so many opportunities for wealth creation through moving our own manufacturing of goods and services - all gone to China for a quick buck. Now we are all suffering.
That's right, why is housing and cost of living so out of control? Of course crime will go up along with it
Or you know maybe not shoot people and sell drugs? They should be damn grateful to be living in this country with free Healthcare and social welfare. Get off your ass and find a real job like the rest of us, literally everyone is treated equal and given the same opportunitys in this country. If you choose to be a criminal you deserve to be locked up.
you can't blame the government for this lol... I know its really tough right now, but there is still a level of personal responsibility. I know I wouldn't want to hire 90% of these bellends
They've got the same opportunities as everyone else. We had one recently where I work. He started well but very soon got bored, stopped doing the job, started getting 'sick' a lot, then, when he was denied time off because it couldn't be possible, he just took it off, regardless, and dropped everyone in the shit. I advise anyone against giving them a job. Once a gangsta, always a gangsta.
@@alfredagain It's a false sense of entitlement that corrupts them from cradle to grave . You can educate the ignorant but can't help the stupid . Stupid does what things are stupid .
I left NZ over 30 yrs ago..just sick of the constant undercurrent pervasive violence..the springbok tour violence opened my eyes.
Same here. I used to be a Traffic cop and dealt with gang members all the time ( in the 80's ) and they had some respect for the law ( and cops ) left in them. Not now. They only respect the financial rewards of dealing in drugs. They'll stomp on anything else. NZ has gone to the dogs... literally.
Which country do u live in now?
I'm leaving as soon as my country is no longer officially known as New Zealand.
@@alfredagain AOTEAROA HARD
How does a young, gang member. Who does not work. Ride a motorbike, worth thousands. It is either stolen, or obtained, by elicit funds. Seize the motorcycle and follow the money. If they cannot prove that they earned the money to buy the vehicle. They lose it. The same happens to the idiots who say. I bought it for him. Follow the money. Works every time.
And then they commit more crime for another...lol...u need to provide alternatives.
Agreed..follow the money you will get to the head of the snake..
Not impressed they stole my car a couple of months ago they don't give a crap who they hurt!
The biggest criminal are the people in suits sitting behind desks
dennis- that dogg- Joseph biden
What are talking about ,they aren't running around bashing people,sell drugs,turn the cities into places of gang warfare, they do exactly what you said wear suits and sit behind there desks duh .
Hmmmm it's ashame, we are in 2022 and there are still gangs.... honestly they need to grow up.
I'm originally from Gisborne NZ and it's just the same there so sad 😔
Privilege
Aotearoa we have a huge gang problem nation wide 😔
nope.. New Zealand has a huge organised crime problem nationwide. Gangs used to be gangs. Now they are organised crime syndicates and should be labelled as such and dismantled. Wait... your cops don't even carry guns. Never mind...............
Do wat Australia has done bikes can't wear there patches clubhouses closed down they can't ride bikes together no consorting with each other ect ect let there clubhouses be mt Eden prison they can do whatever they like in da chail
This happens almost daily in Auckland though with the murder rates rapidly rising?
Our successive Govts are soft on gang violence and it's escalated now with 501s being sent here from Aussie and a huge increase in the use of guns. Things need to change and rapidly in this regard.
Strong hand of the law, needs to be subjugated. Public civillians need to feel safe in their communities.
It's not just about one criminal being punished, it's about making an example of what happens to those who commit crime . Lets see the new government implement these old ideas that worked for hundreds if not thousands of years .
They need to make it illegal to go around as a gang like in Aussie, with no Patches and get rid of the club's H/Q, Big fines, and so on.
Hardout m8
Gangs are for people who can't make it on their own
Exactly!
or those who love being assholes and selling drugs.
I remember when i was a small kid it was cool to be in a gang.. then i grew up!!!
Glad you grew up, and good on you, but you probably did harm to people you'll never be able to right the wrongs to.
@@alfredagain He said when he was small( as in perception ) to be in one, he wasn't saying he was, so stop misinterpreting , you must be a little unbalanced . Maybe grow up
I'm from NZ. My mum is from Wairoa, a town with more than it's fair share of gang problems. The best way to to deal with these guys is to stamp them out. Refuse them service, don't deal with them. If you want Mana, you need to work for it and earn it. Lol
who told you that ? or did you just imagine it...
If you want Mana 😑 you need to work for it 🤦🏾♂️.... Whaaaaaaat 😂
That Doesn't Even Make Sense... 🥴
YOU Don't Have a Clue What Your Talking About... Foolish. 🗣️💩
And what do you do when they threaten to "punch your fuckin' head in" if you refuse them service and they're right there in your face? Easier said than done.
man - ahh was pasin through wairoa and had to nearly kill a Hine in full Mongrell Mob uniform/ Regalia. She was more Deadly than the 7 males with her when they had the Audacity too target me. Iff they want a re-run ahh now on my Grandfaters farm on Highway 50 about 7-8 Miles/ kilometres from Tikokino. N.B.B. - What-ever Total War Hard-ware they want too use on me, - 'ahh will - accept.''- ''Teee heeee heeee heee Heee.''
Consequences already exist for those that commit crime. It is the Police that are responsible for enforcing them. Aside from that, Parents are responsible for the raising of their offspring. That is where the work must be done. Everyone knows that prevention is better than cure. If you speak to any Member of a Gang or any Criminal, every single one will explain to you that they were raised on Abuse of some sort. Raised on Violence of some sort. Raised by useless Parents in a Nutshell. Each person that joins a Gang is looking for something. Something that they shouldn't be feeling the need to do. Something they wouldn't need to do if they were raised properly with love and respect. Point your fingers where they should be rightfully pointed. At the Parents.
Violence doesn't just come.from parents. Take me for example it was my peers and teachers who were violent towards me. Though I could never hurt another innocent person or a fly for that matter, there was a time when I had to choose. A choice between returning the violence I'd received, or to turn the other cheek. It is extremely difficult to continue to turn the other cheek when all you receive is a hand of hate. Maybe if people learned to be kind instead of letting power and authority go to their heads we'd have a better society.
I totally agree, it has become fashionable to blame the govt for everything and expect them to make up for our own shortcomings, it creates false excuses for our bad behaviour ie "its not my fault, its society's fault therefore I am not a bad person". A point that I would raise though is that there are more people that suffered the same and didn't end up in gangs than did. We never hear of the people that grew up in bad situations but didn't end up "bad", there are far more of them than the other. I think we all need to be held to account for our own actions and not be handed easy excuses.
My Dad was a drunk, I don't drink, my Mum was a compulsive liar, I always tell the truth and abhor liars, I believe that if you lie you are in fear, I am not afraid of the consequences of telling the truth. My mum also on one occasion broke 4 lengths of bamboo on my arm, leaving my entire arm covered in bruises and swelling and hit me on the back of my head with a barstool so hard it burst blood vessels in my eye when I was 10yrs old, I have never laid a hand on my daughter or my grandchildren and have never contemplated doing so. Regardless of our upbringing we all have choices and should be accountable to ourselves for those choices and to others if those choices affect them.
It’s these kinda guys that make my blood boil
You don’t know what it’s like bud you think getting beaten turns us that way get real m8
Government needs to step up and ban gangs!
Politicians refuse to keep us safe, as always
left NZ 20 years ago, the best thing I have ever done. Had a number of cars and each one of them was broken into. car batteries - work tools.......gone
Lol
All depends on what suburb you live in
What country did you move to that has no break ins? Good and bad areas in all countries
The best thing you ever done?? Every country on this planet has crooks and thugs in them. There is no perfect country!
Lived in the same place for 20years and never had had a thing pinched,or even take keys out or lock a door,mind its in country and 4big dogs patrol 24/7.
I lived in Kaikohe for 2 months and couldn't even find work. Went to the winz office and not even 1 job available, all the work were outside of kaikohe like food picking and tree falling.
As long as we have brutal gangs, we need firearms to defend ourselves from these beasts
Politicians have away of making themselves blame free they supported government policies that made people unemployed
Ngapuhi stand up for your rights. These gangs will destroy your town
Talking to the gangs, Cctc and a car that drives up and down... Sounds like they're doing nothing. 🙄🙄🙄
I THINK THE STRONG HAND SHOULD MEAN JUST THAT -!! NO MESSING ABOUT-!! I THINK AS THE SO-CALLED SOFT PUNISHMENT BECOMES NOTHING MORE THAN A JOKE - THESE YOUNG RUNTS WILL INEVITABLY SEE PEOPLE'S LIVES AS A JOKE - JUST TO TAKE IT FOR A JOKE-!!
I was born and bred in kaikohe. Still love the place. It’s changing a lot now, more families moving home. It did go down hill it’s on its way back up now slowly. I hope it restores its former glory, the place was once very lovely. My mother tutored at mahi Kia mohio trust, where Maori youth were very active as were gang members. It was all about reinstating Maori tikanga, teaching those that wanted to learn. And a lot more other skills including Kapa haka. And it wasn’t just for Maori it was for all.
I was also born in Kaikohe and plan to move my whanau and I home and take one of my companies home to grow Kaikohe into a tech hub and also offer tech pathways for our rangatahi to educate and empower them in technology
yeah, right
Thank you for your comment 💞the idea of getting back to Tikanga is the solution now, to be the living flesh example for the people, Hapu based community living the model the World 🌏is waiting to see and Maori are the people of love❤️and lead the way home to Hawaiki Pamamao🎇🕊️💖please share this with our beloved Maori people of AOTEAROA. 🙏😇❤️🎇
kaix for life
Tit for tat violence is about as tikanga as it comes.
Would stop in kaikohe for breakfast before we set on for the hills and valleys to plant tree's. Small town activity with big town clowns. Not everyone in kaikohe are bad people.
All you gang bangers, you're a bunch of strong, prideful men right? Ready to throw down for your set at any moment? While show some fuckin' mana and do it in the broader sense for your communities. Your kids, partners, mums and dads, all of your whanau also have to live in these places, there's a famous saying "dont shit where you eat", learn it. Leave all that bullshit in the past... MAKE MONEY, real gangsters move in silence!
Real gangsters aren't gangsters.
Dealing with old problems with old solutions.. such creativity 🤨 A lot of things can better a community, not just extra security cameras. Are the thinking caps really on? Or did you guys just have a meeting and then get drunk
Actually in case you haven't noticed the government and these so called charities do NOT want the problems to go away. Then they would be out of jobs. There is a whole helping industry that profit off of the misery of New Zealanders. When a couple divorces for example, they will spring up in action to make sure the divorce is final, to 'help' the children, to get lawyers involved, etc. None of those organisations is there to help families reconcile and reunite. Think about it.
Don't trust anyone that use "uhm" alot in their conversation
The government never intended to help the situation in the first place.
Why do you think they pulled the funding.
Time to look at government from a different angle.
That's cool that the community of kaikohe are trying there utmost best to create a safer environment but it's so deeper than what use understand. The difference is that the gangs give the youth of Aotearoa support and actually put Kai in there pukus, not only that the gangs get the youths off the streets and give them a life better than the current situations there living and therefore the youth don't see them as menaces and tend to see them more of a hero and idolize these men. My opinion would be to the council of that community would be is to get the youth off the streets and if that means having a person drive around and pick them up do that everyday regardless. (2) be committed and ask the youth about what they want in life and as there supporters be there for them through the good the bad and the ugly. (3) Feed these young ones even if they say there OK because most times there not but to whakama to say. (4) Don't overload them with education that's when they lose interest so a couple hours a day would suffice but also give them an incentive to motivate them. (5) Sports outdoor activities and even camping trips noho maraes ect ect. (6) Don't give up on them no matter what and always encourage them and give the motivational speeches cause over time they will grow to respect and trust u as an idol and know they will no what your saying is out of love and that they will understand u only want what's best for them. If they screw up support them show compassion be there when they need u the most because this is where it goes wrong when the people whom these youths thought was there for them weren't there and hence why the young think it was all bullshit trust me I know. So yeah most of youth either come from broken homes or have whanau in gangs so show them how to break that cycle and use give them hope cause that's what gangs do show them love feed them see the youth as equals not there superiors and support them. The thing is gang members want what's best for the young it's just that when gangsters show more love then whanau hapu and iwi of course these young want to grow up to have that patch on there backs why cause all the youth see are genuinely good people who the young think love them more then there own parents. So good luck Kaikohe hope use can make a difference. Kiora
Exactly, it's an issue that is far more complex than gangs are bad, the reason young people join gangs and live that life is that the alternative doesnt work for them. Hell , I'm old now 53, but I grew up in NZ got a good education, worked my whole working life and would constantly struggle from paycheck to paycheck, just to feed myself and put petrol in the car to get to work..... I got a chance to move to Australia 15 years ago and discovered that, in fact, you could work full time there and make a good life for yourself, go on holidays, save money and enjoy life and get ahead. There are very limited options in NZ to make a go of life on wages..... I'm a Pakeha but met heaps of Maori guys in Melbourne, sydney , worked with them , they had a pretty successful life there, earnt good money and were enjoying life, it really pains me to see that nz cannot offer young Maori, or any young people for that matter, an opportunity to be successful in what they do without resorting to a gang life......
ka pai te korero e hoa
Na plenty free courses now days for trades & Winz offers 5 k to relocate to a place like Bay of Plenty for $25/hr Kiwifruit work
Soooo...
You're saying keep our people uneducated and in gangs?
Did you grow up near Matamata by chance?
I love this! Raised in Kaikohe and yes we are all a group of real down to earth people!
No one should be scared to walk down the street, but also stop making judgements about gang members and especially those young ones who do look up to older patch members, gangs are a brother hood and a lot of those guys come from bad shit homes. Meanwhile you patched older gang members who think it's OK to terrorise a town and make people scared of you need to think differently, stop putting patches on young guys who have no respect, morals, values, or ambitions for the future. Just because you wear a patch doesn't make you any different than anyone who doesn't wear a patch. As a gang you should be supporting that community and working with the community to make it so people aren't afraid to walk the street, isn't it about time gangs and society worked together, stop intimidating people with your loud bikes and yellow colours your what I call a brotherhood look after your community.
Oh well the youth go on to create their own shit homes cycle continues need accountability
Gangs are marginalized because they exist in fringe criminal economics, prostituting women, drugs, protection money, aka MAFIA,
its now a generational issue to solve.
Muldoon tried Bandaid policy in largely failed.
Fiona,if you join a club of anything, fishing,car,knitting ant club and there are members that are doing the wrong thing if you are a good person you will leave,simply,,if you stay and say the same old stuff like oh its not all the members,I carn change what others do,blah blah blah,you are turning a blind eye,thats why these members are all labeled the same,,,why would a good person be part of such a club? Oh its okay im not doing all the bad stuff its just some of the members of the club i am part of,,,,stupid logic, 🤔
We went through Kaikohe not that many years ago. First trip to see Northland. Just driving I was thinking about stay accommodation but something told me then a closed environ. We drove back to where we came from. The town needs to thrive. Look after what you have.
oh please. Being obnoxious and intimidating is the biggest part of gang " culture ". It's " Look at me in my patch and steel capped boots and chromed German helmet! " and then " Watchoo looking at dude ? Youse wanna get stomped? ".... assholes.
Has anyone ever thought...would it help if the NZ Army fought the gangs off? Obviously the police powers are not working. The best way to stop the gangs is prevention to start with but the ones that are in full blown anarchy need the Army to step in I believe. Its literally an opportunity for war.
I do like a good opportunity , no need for the army mate , just get out the way of the masses , or put a price on patched members heads , they would disappear over night .
When are the politicians going to provide us with the necessary services to allow those at the coal face to have the resources to do their jobs properly? Every social service is under resourced! So much for Labour looking after people and society. We need more Police, we need more social service workers and mental health resources. Why do we celebrate Labour Day? The 8 hour day, 40 hour week has long gone. We have to start looking inward, not outward. Maybe it is time to start putting tariffs on goods coming into the country that are so ridiculously priced that there is no way the people producing the goods are being paid properly. Lets get everyone who wants to back into meaningful work, bring back the penal rates for overtime, make families a priority so children are brought up properly and not seeing their parents as they both work all hours under the sun just to make ends meet. Its time to look back to when we were fully employed and cherry pick the best of those times for now. Its time for trickle down to turn into trickle up!!!! Pay the bottom well and everyone prospers, pay the top well and the top prosper.
very easy to say very very very difficult to achieve in practice. truth is the same thing is happening almost everywhere in the world, but because we are so isolated we feel the worst of it. Honestly, the biggest economic issue I see here is that house prices are crazy high, but they are dropping atm so at least theres that. Otherwise, ya can't print money out of nowhere.
We don't need more Police. We need less stupid laws and legality excuses.
I feel sorry for the genuine Māoris who have to deal with crap like this …. You people need a president like the one in El Salvador who has zero tolerance for gangs , your country will end up having no business in tourism and kids will all be ruined . For what? Where is the wanahu spirit gone in nz? This people are killing your childrens future and no one does anything? I thought the gangs where doing things from other videos to stop al this insane behaviour
Bro, stand down and let someone with the courage deal with the gangs.
Who? the PM took all their assault rifles away and gives Govt. money to gangs.
It's hard to break the cycle, I found The Lord. Don't give up on the young kids, even if they have committed the heinous of crimes. Don't give up on them, they can change, just need someone to show them what Love truly is about.
Take their bikes away that will hurt them and c.f.cdont give it back crush it sell it but no second chance stuff up and ure gone
Do what the aussiea do ban patchs in public
if good civilians are not allowed to carry guns, thugs need little more than an attitude to run amok
How a small town is fighting back against gangs
Tldr: they aren't
They should take on Australia ways.if you were a patch you are going to jail.if you associate with members you are going to jail.new Zealand police force and government is weak.
This gang shit would not happen if this was China or worse, North Korea. The gang problem would just vanish over night.
The community in kaikohe do not look at Gangs as hero's that's a stupid comment from a politician that's never being here only to capture votes then gone. Clubs must realize kaikohekohe is a neutral town always has been, "room for all". When Ngawha prison was built I for one was dead against it coming here couse when inmates come up here and their whanau, when their partners get released from prison they don't go back down the line where they come from they reside up here and think they can "run" this town kaikohekohe. Well let me tell you's many have tried and failed...yes we are a resilient town and have seen "the good,the bad and the ugly" local's seen shirt come and go' ...Kai Ora'...😎🤨
Yes but you have alot of MPs from up there and elderly who would of vouched for that to it's a bit sad really our govt invest more in prisons then ECE centre's across the motu 😪😪😪 the gang situation has elevated eveen more so now with the platforms they have to tell stories and promote their own music the mob have their own label 🏷 and eveen have tattoo artists overseas in UK and Europe 🇪🇺 promoting their ideologies it's insane but I guess globalism is an 💡 ideal as it solidifies more power for the roopu to extend their kin ties worldwide 🌐 their very sophisticated how they operate between Kbz and Mob they are very well progressive with their business ventures 💯🗣
Totally agree. Same issue happened to Milton.. the prison got built. They brought down people who then brought there family's. Who then didn't leave to head back. People tried to integrate them into the community who then just rip off the locals ..causing good family's to move away
NZ is a beautiful place with great first world opportunities, but they are bored and they live in a small town in NZ. A lot (not all) of the indigenous people in NZ are quite excitable and like the adrenaline rush of a confrontation, I played rugby with loads of Māori and PI and I see it in the way they conduct themselves on and off the field. They respect strength most of all. Some Europeans are like this but it’s not as common. It’s not that they are bad people but If they don’t have anywhere to channel this energy it manifests itself in the form of fights and laddish behaviour in general. They are being asked to be quiet and boring and it’s goes against their natural instincts. As long as they are just bashing each other just let them get on with it. Just tell them to leave the general public alone. If possible. Best of luck.
European culture is by far the most war like and violent...
Agree, bunch of clowns running around with their iq on their backs, uncouth and un educated, sadly, it is exponentially amplified as having a large family of five or more is revered, even if the household is in dire poverty. Smh.
@@smellex1231 we were ! things change !
Um wow. Generalizing ethnicities over a game? Rugby? Really. Maaaate. You dont know me 🤣
Yes, i did see that you said 'alot (not all)' 🤣
Where's the police , I thought they would have had an opinion ?
You can bet these gangsters are not locals, they are taking the 5k move out of Auckland,
"Once Poverty is fully eliminated?.....Gangs will never flourish, until then? We will remain and evolve with the times"
- Paul Castellano
you're joking right ? 50 million people just lost their jobs...
Once poverty is eliminated,gangs will sell more drugs simple.doesnt matter if your rich or poor they prey on everyone.
I live in kaikohe it's nothing like these clowns say! More good in our town then bad!💯 When killer bees around I make sure I take my antihistamine when out!🤣
Bigups to matua Shane. Tell it like it is
We need jobs for our people. Role models a lot don't have good role models besides encouragement to join gangs. We fighting against our race and iwi because of colours. Wanna fight get in the ring and man up
I truly believe that training colleges where young people of all ethnic groups can choose to go and study or be trained in the field of their choice eg car mechanics, catering industries , machinists in all types of industries to name but a few, should be introduced by the Minister of Education and the Minister of Industries, in all the cities both on the North and South Islands of New Zealand, instead of pushing young students into doing academic subjects because there are no classes where they can be taught a useful skill.
It must be taken into consideration that not all the young people are interested or able to study in academic subjects because they find it too difficult. This results in young people dropping out of high school, boredom then sets in and they join gangs and are trained to become dangerous criminals!!
I know there are training colleges in the Otara area where these centers are very popular because I saw how well the young students both male and female learned in their chosen trades when I went on a visit to the college. The lecturers at that college, are doing awesome work. They are very highly skilled.
I challenge the Minister of Education and the Minister of industries to do something about helping our vulnerable young people to stay away from joining gangs! Help them to learn a trade that will help them to become useful members of society! Stop talking!
I am deeply concerned about the gangsterism that is rearing it's ugly head parts of Aotearoa! Our young people are our future leaders of tomorrow! THEY MUST BE ENCOURAGED TO LEARN HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO LEARN A SKILL,TO EARN A LIVING AND TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE UPKEEP OF AOTEAROA"S SOCIETY!
Plenty of free courses for jobs and Winz offers 5k to move to a region that has work like Bay of Plenty $25/hr
Plenty of opportunities out there the problem is alcohol drugs and shit attitude.
No jobs or opportunities in small towns like Kaikohe. For a person to make something of him or herself. The only option is to move to either Whangarei or Auckland. The employment is in those two cities.
It’s called having police and law and order. Try it.
For the size of nz we have more gangs than anything else lots more young people are being recruited because promise of wealth and anything they want government created this low wages economy everything for living is to expensive to much poverty no hope so gangs give unemployed hope even though it's bad choice
Talking about these problems is all that's ever done, the govt needs to get a grip on the situation.
Shane Jones speaks so eloquently.
Don't let his smooth words fool you.
He has convinced himself that he is a great Maori Chief''
Getting rid of bikes the people still remain its the attitude needs to change
I’m from Waima .. this is sad 😢
It's sad you're from Waima?
We need to do this with our town Turangi thanx to the mob its ugly
Maybe gangs are doing more for those kids in their eyes than their gov says something.
What about their parents? Don't they have a responsibility to take care of their children?
Band wearing patches and crack down o n gangs
A lovely small town NZ... great to hear they are taking their town back and getting through to the gangs in the area that their bad behaviour will not be tolerated... Shane Jones makes a great deal of sense.... his plain speaking says it all... bike seizes and plenty of them.... Shane is right they only understand "the strong hand". Keep up the good fight Kaikohe!
You have to defuse the troubles of tomorrow, today... Catching Kidd's at 12 / 13/ 14/ youth clubs, constructively offering opponents tho football, sports, etc... Ban traffic from town centre after dark at weekends.. you have quite a task before you guys but... I hope you won't be disappointed in you're efforts.. Respect... Thom in Scotland.
What you are suggesting isn't possible at all. Try to do in Scotland. NZ has problem but not as much as The Great Britain. I do love Scotland a lot but your problem is bigger. NZ shows the problems easily cos whole country is less than 5 million.
Some of these gangs have lost souls
3:49
bless her
If it's safe to eat Beef, it should be safe to debeef.. stop the beefing and start living in peace . LOVE YUH NZ!
Great not seeing you as a politician bleeding the system
Young people have no direction or point to life. It drives you mad. We don't know what the fuck we are even doing here.
old people talking aint going to help
those bikes are worth 20 thousand upwards where they getting the dosh and then the cost of running them then the riding gear its a joke and turning into a bad one very quickly
Fair enough shane jones enough is enough
Sad and nonsense 😞 😪 what is happening in my hometown kaikohe,well start helping out Shane.....INSTEAD OF TALKING....ALL THE LOVE HAS GONE TOWARDS KERIKERI,THATS KAIKOHE WITHOUT NOTHING APART FROM SMALL COMPANIES IN TOWN...I LOVE MY HOMETOWN KAIKOHE THE HUB OF NGAPUHI 💚💚💚
You didn't try HARD ENOUGH SHANE.... KAIKOHE
NEEDS LOVE EMPATHY AND OVERLOOK ING....
It's not the town it's the people running the area there's been a huge breakdown in families as well there's a lack of role models good parenting in the whanau.
Wait, foreigners on UA-cam always say this only happens in the USA.
I love Kaikohe I have whanau living there and I want to know they gonna be safe
Poverty bro. Wanna get rid of the problems get rid of that first
Not quite... I now live in Thailand and have spent a lot of time in India and Nepal. Gang related violence and presence is a lot lot less per capita than NZ. There is a lot more poverty in those countries compared to NZ. Key difference - level of respect within the family structure and community. In Thailand people leave their stuff in the back of the pickups and very rare for anything to get stolen. In NZ leave your jandals on the beach and they probably get stolen!!
I thought that was on helping the age group prior to them joining the gangs
Violence is positively corelated with low IQ as is gang participation.
The force of law is paramount!
Tu mai Kaikohekohe. Much love to my town.
Trevor Chappell for Prime minister.
Ban patches in public
Thank You
And the saddest thing about all this. They are probably cousins...
What's new? Lol. Tell us something we didn't know.
My Hometown... GODDAMN this is so disappointing.
It's interesting that this piece focused on the fear created by gangs, but failed to discuss employment opportunities and economic mobility in the area.
Very briefly one of the interviewees touched on the youth seeing being part of a gang as an economic means to an end. That would suggest that economic mobility and employment prospects in the town are poor.
In some of the vision in this video there are shots of the main drag with lots of empty store fronts. That's a town in economic decline, how could one expect there to not be a rise in crime including violent crime under those kinds of conditions?
What good are training programs if there aren't well paying jobs in the area to go into? What's the point of improving infrastructure, if no one is using existing infrastructure?
The council want the local businesses still hanging on to pay for a camera network and a security guard to patrol at night. That's only taking away further from the resources those businesses have access too, and for what? So someone is definitely there to call the police? That's a nowhere solution that doesn't even address the symptoms let alone the causal factors. The council need to get real.
You want to fix this problem, you need to get large enterprise interested in the town. The kind of enterprise that not only can offer lots of jobs, but opportunities for career/economic progression.
Any camera network should be a joint investment initiative between council and police, not private business. Such a camera network should be operated by the police service directly. It should be police patrolling the crime hotspots, not private security without any power or authority to do anything beyond take notes and call police.
Making excuses about police being stretched too thin is unhelpful. It enables the underfunding by accepting the situation and trying to outsource policing instead of just finding a real solution.
So you're saying that there are no jobs there (how then the place attracts so many immigrants?) and if there were jobs these thugs would then stop and go to work? CCTV solves nothing also when there's no accountability, hard exemplary punishment.
The gangs are the biggest employers.... in the meth trade. Where do you think they get all the money for the " bling " ?
@@marcoantonioperin2187 you’re obviously not from nz so you wouldn’t understand
Our real wars inside nz. But hey let's send millions of dollars to a war that has nothing to do with kiwis ffs.
You just got to keep on rolling cause life keeps on going, good luck whanau.