The crazy history of the ONLY affordable Leica
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2024
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What do you think of this camera?? Interesting right?! Any other cameras you'd like me to cover in this Tiny Camera Series? Let me know below ☺️📷❤️
Panasonic GX9 and LX7.
Not exactly small. Definitely not M43. Fuji XT30 or XE3. X100Vswith interchangeable lenses.
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I recently purchased an Olympus OM-D E-M5, based on your video and a desire to save money… I would love to see more tips and tricks on that camera. By the way, the cheapest Leica T (Typ 701) on MPB right now is £424 in good condition. I’m starting to think that your video reviews affect the prices 🤔😂
@@ChrisLavenderinhd definitely they do! This is the second camera mentioned, that I have seen, and has a more expensive price than originally stated. Cheap marketing tactics on MPBs behalf... Makes them look seedy in my opinion.
Would be cool if you can get hold of some of the weird and whacky form factor cameras like Gordon Laing shows in his dinobytes channel. I kinda miss how outlandish and experimental cameras and the manufacturers used to be
Would be a great prize for the next monthly photo contest👀
Fun fact, the Leica T has two SD card slots! If you have a small screwdriver you can take the two screws out of the plastic plate and replace the internal 16gb internal storage to a bigger storage, it's a microSD and it's not soldered or anything.
Now that is cool. I'm so grateful for the internal storage! I have that many memory cards in that many cameras I'm starting to forget to pack them sometimes!
That’s fantastic… but I’m so mad ad them for integrating the lid into the battery instead of enabling using more standard battery packs hidden behind a proper lid. 😡
Why you posting the same comment everywhere??
@@Muthumalai_Tiger_Reserve_Aana why not? it's not like he's not right
I had the successor, the TL2, but I gave up on it. It had a number of flaws, but the dealbreaker was its terrible metering. The internal metering overexposed and clipped the sensor, sometimes by 2 stops. But since this was not a consistent behavior, you couldn't mitigate it with -2 stops of exposure compensation. On top of that, exposure compensation wasn't even available in M mode with Auto-ISO.
I also found the autofocus to be extremely weak and practically unusable in low light. This is made even worse by the fact that the camera does not have an AF ON button. The sensor also had a very pronounced rolling shutter in silent mode.
Still, I really liked the camera's modular touchscreen interface, which is much less cluttered than that of mainstream brands. But that aside, in this class of ultra-compact APS-C mirrorless cameras, I'd consider a Fuji X-E2s, a Sony A6000, or even a Canon M100 a better camera for real-life use.
I worked for Leica for a long time. I must say that this is by far one of the most pleasing and depth review I've ever watched. Made me smile throughout :)
I must say, you are an absolute pleasure to watch. Everything about your video is fun, exciting, full of energy and educational. Subbed!
nothing will be affordable after a UA-camr posted a video about it, i dont appreciate it.
Damn Right!!!
Then don’t watch dipstick.
Na Leica T has been around the $700-1000 USD mark.
People prefer the Leica CL which is an updated version of the TL2.
I picked up a TL2 for $1100 about a year ago new.
The Leica T and TL aren’t really popular at all. I think they’re worth $500-700 though.
Leica people prefer the M and SL line of cameras.
I was already expensive when Matthias Burling reviewed it 2 years ago, he also said it was 500usd, it wasn’t. Not sure where they get them from tbh 😂
This video only has 60k views. Relax.
Lovely stop motion animations, I really appreciate that! More people should use that :)
Colour grading and filter choice was on point on this one, looks so clean! I'm dying to try the Leica Compact cameras!!
Your editing is blooming on point, great job!! I especially loved the stop motion animations, very well done and entertaining. I have zero interest in Leica at the moment, but the video was great :)
I was going to say the same thing - the time spent on the b-roll is next level.
Thanks so much 🙏☺️ I did spend half a day going slowly mad making stop motion sequences but I think the effort was worth it! Haha
I'm mad youtube doesn't recommend me more videos like yours, it's the first time i'm seeing your channel and it's so great ! Thank you ! We need way more women talking about tech and doing videos like this. You are incredible !!!!
Hi, I like watching how far we have come with cameras. Learning about different cameras is great
I’m glad that I discovered your channel. I’m enjoying your reviews and content
Always enjoy your videos, keep up the great shows 👍
It’s truly a work of art which is why I held on to mine. And of course, the images are Leica fantastic !
Glad to find this channel. Something new and fresh
I absolutely love your presentation style. Subbed!
I appreciate that you reviewed this, never in a million years would I even look at a 10 year old Leica with no viewfinder, but I can appreciate the manufacturing and the style of the thing, as a film photography nerd i see stabalisation as a bonus, not a must have, and the images do look great. At this point so much of what to look for in a camera comes down to personal preference and ergonomics I can for sure see this being someone's favorite everyday carry - just not mine.
Thanks for sharing, I think this is a very interesting camera. What is more interesting, however, is your video production quality! I really enjoy watching your videos! Cheers 😁😁
Somehow the camera makes me think of my OMD EM-10 Mk II. I just love how this camera feels good in hand, even more with the additional grip. These cameras like probably the Leica you showed, have a potential sentimental hook one can experience. Every single time I have to pick my between my EM-1 Mk ii and EM-10 Mk ii for a shutter therapy day, and I eventually go for the latter, I am always suddenly so joyful because this camera just makes sense to me!
If one day I could get a camera that would merge an OM-1 in a body like my EM-10 Mk ii, with the same quirks and strengths, I'd immediately go to a local camera shop try this and swap my EM-1 Mk ii and EM-10 Mk ii together.
The amount of videos of this leica really inflated the price its so insane with these sellers. Quite an interesting camera
You aren’t kidding. I just went to take a look and the prices are wild. I looked before at them and used prices were around $400-$500 USD…now I’m seeing closer to $2000 USD. I have a TL2 and won’t sell it for any profits since I love using it, but even I don’t think it’s a camera worth that much. Maybe $1200 tops
Inb4 the rush on this camera 😄
Yep it's already up on eBay for way more than it used to be.. just like all the old cool affordable cameras UA-camrs make videos about
Thanks for this very enjoyable review!
Yep, definitely jealous😂
This is a beautiful looking camera and I definitely will go “oooohhh” when I get one😁
I have a leica TL2 and I love it.
I've had the T 701 and the TL2 for a long time now. By far one of the best kept secrets in photography at this point. The body's are a steal for a price. When new, they were extravagantly priced but now they can be had for $400 USD or so. I got mine for $900 USD brand new when they had a sale during the camera's discontinuing. I have a few of the leica lenses, which often still hold their value and even the cheapest lens can buy you two of the T bodies! Leica M body owners won't admit it outright, but you can take the T body, add the 35mm 1.4 summilux TL lens and you have photo quality that looks near exactly as an expensive M body camera with Leica M mount lenses...for a fraction of the price.
There's really nothing else like it out there though. Hand polished, designed by Audi, and the interface is really something special. It's been my only camera for a long while now and last week I added a Lumix GX85 to the collection. I feel so happy to have these amazing cameras. Thanks for covering this Leica camera because it doesn't often get the love it deserves.
“…now they can be had for $400 USD or so…”
I’d love to know what unicorn locations or sites you’re looking at…
Brilliant channel. Super enjoyable. Bravo
Loved this video! 📸 Subscribed 😊😊
Another great review, showing us whats been out there but under appreciated. As Ive already invested in several M43 lenses, do you know if there are MFT to Leica L Mount Adaptors? Thanks.
Hello! I recently discovered your channel. I am really enjoying your content and personality
Found your channel because of this bit about the Leica, great channel!
Nikon 1 series with phase detect autofocus are amazing. I shoot bif and butterflies with a J4 and a 30-110mm. 2.72 crop factor.
Please, I need to know what filter you used in the beginning. It looks amazing! That's like a diffusion and black mist filter combined? I've never seen anything like that.
Had one, remember it v fondly- re the IBIS not many APSC sensor cameras had at that stage- even the Fuji xt2 which came out 2 years later didn’t. Leica supported it for years and the software was very elegant. In the end…. It and the lenses I had for it , funded another nice camera.
Thanks for the review. I love my Leica CL and I’d love to also try out a Leica TL. My head tells me I just can’t justify having both!
I bought that camera with two silver TTArtisans and after that I checked this movie. You will find gems like this on the internet, but it’s always a problem if you want something right at the moment.
The 701 is so well made. Of course it doesn’t make any sense from a technology point of view, because it’s a slow camera with a really bad AF system, very few APSC L Mount lenses - only 4-5 affordable Sigma options, very pricy Leica lenses and some but not so many L mount manually lenses from china. On Fuji or Sony you get tons of them and APSC on L-Mount is completely discontinued - so I doubt we will see anything from Sigma, Leica or these chinese manufacturers.
But this is a camera you get a smile when using it. It looks so amazing, feels amazing and I like the pictures from it, especially the monochrome pictures with more contrast and sharpness. And these TTArtisans lenses with F1.2/1.4 apertures are really great for giving you a old fashion look.
I have a lecia too, it's a Dlux-4 and it's weird and awesome and does pretty unique photos, bought it back in 2018 for some 40 USD, still using it today
Ahhh this is such a cool camera and the editing is sooo on point! The Nikon cut away hahaha!
Bloomin brilliant
Tank You! Awesome videos, nice Chanel
First off,, VERY well done video, -your production values get better all the time. We seem to cross paths doing our individual cameras hunts. In my case it was the TL2 a few months back-- A local guy had 2--new and complete with the fancy box etc. --I gave it a good look over-- the red dot holds a powerful allure to be sure...But after some quick tests,, I just couldn't pull the trigger. First,, his best price was $900 US and after asking myself if I would use that camera over my GX-8 with its very nice EVF (built in and I do use the swivel angle), twisty rear screen and video modes and mic jack,,,, I decided to it was more than I wanted to spend to scratch an itch. I still circle the idea of getting a CL digital.. so the itch remains,,,
You sold me at “it comes in fun colors.” It is lovely.
I laughed out loud at the Nikon potatoes 😂
tens years ago we got 16GB built-in memory, clever battery mechanism, 3.7" touch-screen interface influenced by 2007 iPhone. "Not for us" said Japan :) I didn't realise this was the first camera with the L-mount; great find! Videos like yours are going to push MPB prices northwards! I recently got an ex-demo GX9 and I think that cost me more due to it featuring on UA-cam, far-too-much :)
I swear it is like every time I start looking into cameras that would be odd for me to purchase, you make a review for them. This happens EVERY time lol
I bought my Leica T new on sale with only JPY 80,000 years ago. Work with the EVF, I'm able to shot at low-angle, which is a experience other camera manufacturers rarely offer. I put really serious lens (Sigma 70-200mm F2.8) on it and got serious results from it. APS-C or Full-frame don't really matter any more, I'm satisfied.
I have the Leica TL before, it is a nice camera, good for snapshoot.
I've looked quite a few times at this camera. It's such a fancy camera with a lot of unreasonable details. Type of stuff I am fond of.
But I've always managed to avoid buying it. If I wanted to have a Leica camera I would not have any other lenses than a Leica one on it(I would be happy having this with one or two lenses). I think their lenses are more special than their cameras for the end result. And the 23mm 2.0 Leica lens is three to four times as expensive as the body here, sometimes more.(The 18mm looks amazing too but a little too wide and slow to be a single lens for me)
So for a complete Leica package a taste of this system still is more or less Leica priced, perhaps at the lowest end of that spectrum but still a part of it 🙂
Beautiful camera and and for someone who gets exited about aesthetics ja thought out simple OS's 350£ for that is a bargain. The same reason i bought a black fuji x100 for 350€ last fall as my 2nd camera to pair with my panny g9. Absolutely beautiful and fun to use and small enough to carry around everywhere.
I love my Leica TL2. Have you tried the Leica four-thirds camera? It's extremely fun to use.
Honestly I clicked because of the camera, but stayed because of your enthusiasm. You're a great presenter. It's a joy to see someone enjoy their hobby so much.
I feel like you’re speaking right to me. Sold my x100v and currently toting am S5ii. Haha
Hey i found your video by mistake!!! Guess what! i do have that particular Leica, it was a gift actually from someone who knew would not be into Photography full time. I do love and hate the camera to be honest. It doesnt have modern basic (and needed) features like nowadays cameras, like Focus Peaking (in case you use it with manual focus like in my case), the screen gets stuck from time to time, it takes long time to go back and take another pic again while is "processing" the last picture you took, and more; not to mention that quality base, its not so amazing, BUT!!! i guess that is where sex appeal shows up: that Digital look with heavy noise, color bending, weird muddy merge of RGB's IS WHY I LOVE IT! it has its own character. Those noisy images give a pleasant 2000's photo look. and if you use it in B&W, even better, like if the pictures were taken with a high noise film. I love this Camera, i do have a 35mm 1.4 TT Artisan attached to it, and goes with me wherever i go. Red dot is spotted easily by Lieca connoisseur out there and they believe the price might be really high, but when realize that somehow is the cheapest Leica around with a decent quality, they would like, why not, get one.
Love your review!!!
So i can just put any lumix Lmount on mine it with no adapter?
Yep!
That was very interesting video presentation.
What would be interesting? Also would be your comparison of this camera with the. YiM1 camera and lens combination.
Sure:) Samsung TL500!!
Ricoh GR Classic
Sony Nex 5R
And there is a SIGMA 18-50mm f2.8 L-Mount lens that make no sence for full frame L systems but it fits perfect on the Leica T! I love this combination. It is a joy to take images with this camera.
Ooh yes that sounds like a great combo!
Great idea ! Even though this lens might be better on a a6400
Cool camera ! You should check out the Typ 109 or D Lux 7, similar cute size but with image stabilization, 4k, evf, f1.7 lens. I wish they would make some more compact cameras like this again as they are ideal for travel. The Q series seem too big to throw in a bag.
Flash montage! : ) Made my day
Hahaha! Nice stop motion...I just sold mine together with silver TTArtisan 50mm f2, exactly the same color setup as yours. I used the money to fund my Lumix S5 + S 20-60 and S 50 f1.8 during last years Winter Deals. The one thing I really hate is the lack of the EVF. Bought it already 3x and sold it 3x always 400-450 euros body only. If you can find a good price Leica Elmarit-TL 18mm f2, you will be very happy with it. Having said that, I have no regrets selling the Leica T + Leica 18mm f2 + TTArtisan 50mm f2 in exchange for my Lumix S5 + 2 Lens Setup.
Damn you woman. I was totally away from this camera. Now I’m looking at it again 😂😂😂 Wonderful video again. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Make sure you spend some time with it before buying. It's a bit of a useability nightmare if you're used to cameras with many direct controls.
Thanks for video :) now i need to go to ebay before price hike:D
Just purchased this camera (mpb). Love the look...and it's a Leica!😂
You and FoxTailWhipz just released a video within a minute of each other both covering the Leica T! What are the chances??
Whaaaa that is mad haha
I don't believe in coincidences ;)
While waiting for the Chimney Stacks to be knocked down at Fiddler's Ferry I was stood next to a chap with a Leica camera. Other than pushing my nose up against a showroom display, this was the closest I've ever been to a Leica camera. And I thought my Panasonic Leica glass was expensive.
BTW it was a foggy day and all we heard was a siren followed by a dull sounding explosion. The day before, was perfectly clear.
We'll gloss over the fact that I nearly lost my drone half way across the Mersey filming the Silver Jubilee bridge at midnight. When I took off, five minutes later the drone said "Home Point updated". I thought no more of this little factoid until there was fifteen minutes left on the battery. I had one of those sphincter moments thinking that it would return to the middle of the Mersey. I'd only had the drone a week
The cheapest one I could find online in Australia just had it's ad pulled and reposted at AUD$3500!!! from AUD$1500 - That is a GBP1000 price rise in 12 hours
I wanna see you review the Fujifilm X-M1.
I love the machining from billet concept--it's almost MoMA-worthy (as are a number of Leicas, but you pay for that look with less-than-stellar ergo, especially the insecure grip). I just wish they'd have gone with MFT rather than APS-C, especially given Leica's relationship with Lumix (including the fact that some Leica cameras are essentially re-badged Lumix models). I'll probably get the G9 II and I'm considering an S5 II (only for shorter FLs as the whole reason I have a G9 "I" is the smaller/lighter long lenses, like the Leica 100-400), so who knows, maybe I'll get a T as well. Thanks for the YT, as that body's never been on my radar.
I have a doozy for you....drum roll...Leica C. It's basically a redone Panasonic Lumix LF1. Cool little camera. 7.1x built in zoom. 1/1.7 sensor, 12 mpx...tiny and cool.
I started casually browsing eBay for a T after this video and decided to roll the dice on one that was listed as having a broken sensor, but was missing a battery. Wanged a new battery in it and it just worked. Best 180 euros I have ever spent
My mind was just blown by that info of the T mount being the first L-mount! Hahahaha.
I’ve wanted this for a while but I’ve been hoping we’d get a super budget autofocus pancake prime like the TTArtisan 27mm f/2.8 we’ve gotten on other mounts
Yeah I know what you mean! I've been using the Brightin Star 28mm f2.8 brass lens (it arrived after I filmed this video so I couldn't feature it unfortunately!) And even with the aps-c crop it's a really decent wider option and it's super small 😊
Edited to add: no auto focus tho on that lens
@@MicroFourNerds how was focusing on that lens with no focus peaking on the camera?
@Minipinoy there is magnification so you can get by quite well, but man I do wish it had peaking!
I have wanted this camera for years. Timing keeps it from happening but hopefully soon.
I do take still photos, but I'll stick with the 6700, because pictures and videos are more important to me, than a neat camera for the coffee table.
I've never appreciated how "neat" some product is. I like fast and effective...
I was also looking for a nice edc camera and finally chose the fujifilm xa3 with a xc 16-50 lens for 200€, because I already have the x-pro3 and some nice fuji-x lenses. I was surprised how solid and metalish the xa3 is designed and it has also focus peaking. But I like the look and feel and image quality of the Leica T. I could afford to buy one, but not for the prices it is listed these days.
I had one and ended up selling it and getting a m43 lumix…as a second camera the tl with a 23mm lens was super expensive and the quality was little better than m43
Hi Emily, I singed up for the photo contest participation in Dec, heard nothing, so I've "joined" again. Hope it works this time
p/s: I'm in Canada: could that be a factor?
No, it shouldn't make a difference, double check your junk folder if you haven't seen the emails
Jan's info can be found here still
www.microfournerds.com/jan2024
And feb's prompt will be sent on Feb 1st 😊
@@MicroFourNerds Thanks, and for the quick reply as well. :-)>
Question is how much color etc of the final result did you gain by post processing in lr? If you did enough then I (and you) can tell that you get almost the same results with similar dof etc on a PL5 (!!!), GX800, Gx8 and so on..😊 Am I right?;)
I had one and with the so so 18mm lens the results were nothing special… it needed the 23mm summicron to sing and then it was a very pricey kit
@@simonkimber1152 *katschiiiingggg*
had a TL and a TL2 it’s a well made camera and takes nice images however it is frustrating to use and hence I sold mine and got a Q2. Not great with manual lenses
Yes. The TL/TL2 user interface is an exercise in frustration. Did you have the EVF for it? It blew my mind that you couldn't move the AF point with the touch screen when the EVF was mounted. I sold mine for the exact same reason. Such a shame though. It was a camera that felt special in the hand and output was great.
Do your Presets work with any camera system
Yes any camera system 😊 I even use them to edit my phone photos on the go
Unfortunately this range was discontinued by Leica. T, TL, TL2, as the CL! The original TL mount matured SL and finally to the L-Mount. They had 2 excellent lenses the 35mm f/1.4 (Peter Karbe design) and the macro lens, both Made in Germany. As the Leica SL lenses did not have a focal multiplier they even steered the SL user to buy a CL/TL to have a 1.5 crop. You could even adapt M mount lenses to the system, with embedded lens corrections into the menu with the of course the Leica T to M mount adapter (with could read the 6 bit code from your recent M lens). I am of the opinion adopters of the system had a cold shower when the system was discontinued, the same story with Canon M cameras. In my opinion Leica used this platform as a test platform for the upcoming small format, full frame, system, first with the SL, continued with the SL2 and culminating into the L-mount alliance.The same story with Canon. They introduced the EF-M mount to try out a mirrorless system, they finally ditch the system in favour of the EOS-RF and RF-S system.
If my memory serves me well, the original T had no focus peaking, the TL has and the TL2 looses the tiny little flash. All T cameras can use the EVF-020 (same as the Leica M10). The EVF-020 has even build in GPS!. If you want maximum compatibility with L-mount lenses I would steer towards the TL2/CL.
The Leica T series were designed to aid the smartphone user to migrate towards a decent camera system with a "smart phone" like menu system. The same story with the Zeiss ZX1 with integrated Adobe Lightroom features.
It does seem odd with so many other cameras have image stabilization tech built-in, that Leica did not include it at least on the sensor.
This Leica makes me appreciate my Xiaoyi YI-M1 even more. Leicas are for the very rich who want you to know they're so wealthy they can afford a Leica. I wish I could; I would also own a Ferrari. But if the actual quality of the photo is what matters, I'm happy with my MFT cameras. Even with the YI-M1, which has no viewfinder!
This camera reminds me quite a lot of the YI M1. No coincidence, I'm sure!
Unfortunately these seem trendy now, they're impossible to find for even twice that. Hopefully prices will tame again soon, b/c I'd love a compact Leica with wifi!
Sigma just launched some apsc L mount lenses. Very interesting since there is not currently any newer apsc L mount cameras. However sigma might be launching one
People have been hoping this for some time, fingers crossed
I'd love one for myself.
The saddest thing for me was that the TL2 had focusing peaking, but the T and TL did not, and surely it could have been added with a firmware update, right?
Oh, and the fact that you couldn't turn instant review after taking a picture off? Bizarre.
Oh, and the proprietary strap lugs that required an expensive accessory to just be able to attach regular non-Leica straps to the camera...
Yes it's a shame! This one does have magnification but no peaking unfortunately
@@MicroFourNerdson the plus side, I did love the B&W Natural profile, and was keeping the camera just for that, until I figured out how to recreate it on my Olympus cameras.
You are delightful to watch. I love the camera and I don't even have on yet! lol, later
I upgraded from a pearl white GF1 to an aluminium TL2 recently… maybe in another decade, the equally beautiful X1D will have become affordable by then.
Once again, Emily forces me to put fingers in my ears and repeat to myself, "I'm not buying a Leica!" 😂 Actually, I have a Fauxleica, also known as the Lumix LX7 or Leica D-Luxe 6. It's so tiny with a Leica 1.4-2.3 stabilized lens, multi-aspect ratio, macro, 24-90 zoom. And, turn on iZoom to go to 180mm with raw files thrown in. And, FHD! A truly tiny delight! So I can resist your siren call (this time)! No Leica for me, just my beautiful Fauxleica Lumix LX7. 👍😉
Can it do AF with the MC-21 and then a Canon EF lens? 😂
Why not mention there’s no focus peaking for manual lenses?
I wish Leica didn't give up on the APS-C cameras. Hope Panny or Sigma release a body to breathe some life into it. It's good Sigma releaased a few lenses, but with they were stabilized to compensate for the lack of IBIS. O have a CL btw. The 45mp files coming out of that thing are simply amazing.
Funny to see such a lens on a Leica, it matches the style. Anyway you could always try a sigma fp(l) now you have those lenses. Also the Yi M1's menus looks just like the Leica.. hmm.. you should try one of those sometime, they were very cheap with good raw(DNG) image quality.
I reviewed the Sigma FPL last summer! Such an interesting camera!
Maaaaan I remember a year ago or so I'd see so many of these on eBay and other places for around $300-500. Now I can't seem to find any and the odd one I do see is $1200+.
It's crazy! I could only find them on Tokyo this week for £900+ - doubly happy with my bargain now. I hope the used market improves
@@MicroFourNerds I really wish I had been more into photography when I lived in Japan. Such a great place to find used electronics!
Never heard about this Leica. Combined with a small L lens it still makes sense.
It's amazing that a crop factor Leica is only around 400-500$ while new it was 4x the price, and in the same time the Fuji X100V is now more expensive than when it was knew, just because of the stupid hype around it.
Leica color science is a complete W
Although its only on my phone ;-;
Omg forget the Leica talk about that Dragon Dagger!
Idk what you filmed this with but I LOVE the soft glow/vintage look you got going on in this video!! Longtime sub but just saying I love your videos and your progress on this channel over the years!!!!
Thanks so much! I've been trying to experiment with a few different things (sometimes succeeding and sometimes not haha) the things in this video I'm experimenting with is a mist filter on my main camera (i use the Formatt Hitech 1/4 strength gold mist) and I've also bought a little portable smoke machine for a bit of haze in the background. I possibly went a bit over the top in this video but I'm getting there slowly! 😁💪
These have skyrocketed in price. Cheapest one I can find on Ebay is $1,400