I maintain that the intended content of the vessels are the artifacts themselves. An extremely durable record of highly sophisticated technology, mathematics, and universal knowledge.
Agreed, mainly! I posted to Ben(UnchartedX) and others, several years ago, that they really need to continue to focus on precision. Much of the time I think that people do not hear me; no special letters in front of my name lol Also awhile ago I wrote to Ben, or it may also have been in the comments, that they could do tests like laser abrasion, or other methods to take samples from the surfaces of stones, even polished ones, to learn about what was or was not(copper) used. I am a jack of all trades so I knew that certain cutting, grinding, welding tasks had to be done with correct materials so as to not leave stuff behind that you do not want embedded...in the mix. I figured at the very least, they could establish and silence once and for all, that these artifacts and megaliths, were made with tooling the Egyptians did not have. I watch "The Curse of Oak Island". They learned how much information they got when they took an object to a lab to nondestructively sample the elements. They purchased their own test equipment, and hired a lab technician lol This is what made me think to suggest this type of sampling/testing to UnchartedX. It is a funny thing, even to me, that it seems people sometimes do hear me, but don't know me, and I don't care for the attention anyway lol IMO these "jars, vases", artifacts, are as you suggest. I think we need to be even more open minded though. What if it was easy for the makers to produce them? What if their tooling was simply that good, and they never intended the artifact to be a message? If their "computers" were so advanced that they employed advanced math and geometry by default? I don't know that there was meant to be a message, but the evidence is wonderful.
@markluxton3402 it was SUPER EASY for them to make them, pal. Over 40'000 examples were found in the tunnels under the step pyramid. Mostly broken. In fact, the tunnels were so full of broken stone vessles, the authorities dug a hole and just buried a heap of them! Next question is, why no lids??? Could it be that they ring when struck? I'm thinking, If you played them, they wouldn't need a lid! 🤔🤔🤔
@@andrewporrelli8268 Still no lids? Hmmmm..... I don't think their mathematical precision in geometry would lend well to ringing accurately as a musical instrument...just a guess. No lids? That does seem odd.
@@andrewporrelli8268 This is the important bit. They were made like golf balls for a driving range. Or like battery cells for an EV. Which would fit with the idea of copper cable remnants found in the upper tiny tunnel. Set up a machine to turn out vessels by the thousands, fill them with acid and a cork top with anode and cathode rods and away you go with storing energy from pyramidal free energy concept (gathering earth's magnetic field power).
I have been following the presentations on the digital analysis of ancient vases and it’s very difficult to wrap your head around how these were made thousands of years ago. But there’s an answer somewhere and one day we will find it. But kudos to these guys for asking the questions. You will miss 100% of answers you don’t look for.
To start with we do not know WHEN they were made because there is NO proof of provenance. Could have been made 1 month prior in China If you find an Iphone inside a pyramid the most likely explanation is that some tourist lost it yesterday. Not that some magical advanced civilization made it thousands of years ago.
We know the answer. It’s just there’s money to be made selling naive people lies about how impossible it is. And no one wants to hear that all it takes is some very basic cleverness, abrasives like, i dunno, desert sand, and a LOT more patience than this guy has ever demonstrated. I was trained to carve stone. It’s not hard; It’s just slow. And we Still use the same tools the ancients did. We Rub it with a harder rock. It’s just my garnet and Diamond tools are motorized and they did it by hand. All you have to do is something this guy never has. TRY IT. Try pounding on granite with a hard rock like basalt or dolomite. It will surprise you how fast it takes stone off. TRY a copper butterknife coated in something really sticky and coated with garnet or sand, and you will find you can easily carve straight deep lines thru granite. TRY mounting a stone in a frame that allows you to turn it precisely, and make a plaster profile of the first section you carve to use as the template to get the rest of it to match to as you turn the stone in its jig. Anyone putting forth the effort to TRY it using materials and tools known to the ancients will find it absolutely doable. But tediously time consuming. This guy is the worst of pseudo archeology
@@christopherpardell4418 Well said I'd add that the basic premise : "we are going to prove that the ancients had high tech by measuring, of all things, some vases" is so utterly idiotic that it is a wonder how so many get sucked into this nonsensical line of thinking but you gotta give credit to whoever first came up with this particular scam.. at least they are creative (not to mention arrogant)
@ one of the very first tools ancients came up with was the potters wheel. And any culture that has a potters wheel understands how a lathe works. Egyptians did not have a powered lathe. But they could certainly set up a fixed profile template to ensure they carved a radially symmetrical shape.
@@christopherpardell4418Apparently the smarter you get the less capable you are of actually doing the doing of anything. Soon we will be able to make nothing at all. Everything will be incredible.
I would recommend going the Uncharted X channel and watching a full presentation on these vases, or on anomalous ancient precision. This presentation really doesn't do the subject justice, particularly for those without a background in these subject.
Yeah, UnchartedX spends 2 hours bla bla bla on the vase "precision" and less than 30 seconds on the provenance of the vase. That is a deflection tactic right there, they do NOT want to talk about provenance because the most likely explanation is that the vase is recent
@@thomasxxxxxx2345 There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of these ancient vases that have a similar degree of precision held in museums with impeccable provenance. They have been items of interest for decades while museums refuse to allow them be scanned. The UnchartedX metrology work began with one vase, but has progressed to a larger number. An honest approach would be to look at more and more of the data that comes from these artifacts. Frankly just the vase's form and material is enough to be anomalous, but the precision is just an exact way of talking about it.
I've been following this vase through all the videos about it. People are human, they make mistakes, they have typos, they get numbers mixed up in their heads, stuff happens. From what I have seen digging into the details this vase has less mistakes in it than the people talking about it. I am looking forward to the mentioned publications where we can tighten up our modern human errors through peer review.
What is a "vase mistake" ? The first thing to do (which none of these scammers talks about) is establish beyond doubt the provenance of this vase and when it was made. Everything else is a pure waste of time until this is established Second who came up with the moronic idea that a vase dimensions can "prove" high tech ? What is the scientific basis for this assumption ?
What this proves tk me is that today, we have very overcomplicated and fragile machines controlled by massively complicated electronic and software while someone in ancient times had no trouble doing these with some other simple type of technology
Good science. Implications are enormous. No holds barred investigation into artifacts which I have viewed in museums many times and said to myself, "how the heck did they do that?" Super Kudos.
Very bad science. The very first thing to do is establish WHEN the vase was made and WHERE it came from... This is never done in these videos and thus is highly suspicious
@@HonkyMonky Really? Someone pulls a vase out of nowhere , does not prove WHERE it came from nor WHEN it was made then pretends to be awed by the vase dimensions. For all we know it was made last month in a factory in China. Which makes the whole spiel laughable If someone pulls up a Iphone and claims it was ancient Egyptian would you not be skeptical ? Same here, until the provenance of the vase is proven this is all just BS
Over 40,000 found in the tunnels of the step pyramid and in tombs of the pre-dynastic era. Must have been easy for them to make if there are so many. 🤔 One really big "next question",.... where are all the lids🤔🤔🤔
I think this is also true of many megalithic stone, precisely fitted structures. They would never have spent decades on every stone to make it fit. Whatever tools they had, were/are better than ours. I bet it was relatively easy for them to move giant stones across mountains and rivers and cut them to fit, and smooth out entire walls of rock. Always easier with a better tool ;-)
Straw and wax, straw and clay, just clay, fabric and clay, fabric and wax, all perfectly acceptable to seal the top of a vase. I want to say "weathering" that ruined the lids or just removed and destroyed when the contents were used.
@6DunJuan9 in the later periods they didn't have problems making anthropomorphic lids for canopic jars. Lids for alibaster jars are common, but not on early period stone vessels. Not one lid in over 40,000. Why, just.....why?? As a wood turner who loves making bowls the most, why no lid? It's not that difficult to shape and part a lid off a bowl when making it, tbh. It's obvious the ancient hard stone jars were turned, not hollowed with the late period tool used for allibaster jars. As for the alibaster jars from later periods, It seems they lost the ability to turn them, lost the process of how it was done or lost how the lathe was made.
@@andrewporrelli8268 Each vessel encodes several aspects (Sacred Proportions) of the "Sacred Science." The lids represent the hidden aspects of the Sacred Science and were interred separately.
I believe the purpose of these vessels is for us to scratch our heads about them. They are extremely sophisticated time capsules. Think about it, how would you make something that contains all of your scientific knowledge, your designing and manufacturing capabilities and your philosophical ideas and is also as indestructible as possible? smartphones and computers don't last that long. It also has to be completely without any written words, because you don't know what language people speak in the future. it also shouldn't look like religious imagery, because people of other beliefs might destroy it. that's why they are vessels. because vessels have a use, especially ones that are beautiful and almost indestructible, and people will keep them instead of destroying them. (I also think that there might be an indication of a philosophical idea behind the "vessel") and then just make 30,000 of them, so at least one will survive far into the future, when humanity has reached a technological point where they can be analyzed and understood, which is now. not only are these vessels undeniable proof that humanity has reached a high level of technological sophistication in the distant past, but the reason why they even exist is for us to realize that we are not the first iteration of intelligent life on this planet.
Yes. Seems blatantly obvious that the intended contents of the vessels is the artifact itself. An extremely durable record of highly sophisticated technology, mathematics, and universal knowledge.
@Parabola001 what a wonderful concept! 👏 If that is the intention of their makers, for us to scratch our heads thousands of years later, they most certainly succeeded in their endevours!!
@@markluxton3402 considering how much our ancestors have respected and admired their own ancestors, it's not far fetched that they would also have thought a lot about how people in the future would remember them. If they only "liked" working in stone they could have used far softer, and more visually pleasing stone like marble. they used the hardest stones on the planet for a reason. we don't do stuff like this today because we have stopped thinking about the future (or the past).
If our ancestors accounts of history (myths) are true then these vases would be easy to make because they were made within only a few years of the rock forming, it would still be soft, which also explains why the vases stopped being produced, the stone eventually hardened. This also explains the cart ruts in Malta. There are many fully qualified science professors who see evidence for the myths being true therefore it would be an advantage for vase investigators to include them in this study.
@ “If” the myths are true then it was the worldwide flood survivors who built the megaliths, when the rock layers were newly formed, water saturated and soft.
Reminds me of Hero's Aeolipile Steam Engine... Everyone was sitting around amused & playing with it yet tragically never realized it's true potential...The Romans had a technological revolution in their hands & let it slip away
Heron (Hero) of Alexandria, 10 BCE - 70 CE, was a 'plagiarizer' not an inventor. He DID NOT invent the Aeolipile: A simple steam turbine. Heron's formula: A formula for finding the area of a triangle. Dioptra: A book on land surveying. Mechanica: A three-book work that presents engineering principles. Metrica: A three-book compendium of geometric rules and formulas. Pneumatica: A two-book work that describes mechanical devices.
14:00 Pi is 3.16 ??? With so many equations and math he displayed in earlier slides how can he get pi so wrong? I'm sorry but now I don't know what else he got wrong and made up in the whole presentation.
oh, because of this you will dismiss all the measurements? All the hard data that there is there? You can have one of those vases too... If you have enough money, you can buy and measure it yourself. Heck, try making just ONE of those, PLEASE.
@@Kiyooneif you are into precision you would see how major this inaccuracy really looks. Pi will get you a circle, 3.16 will give you a spiral. Two completely different outcomes... It's a pretty major oversight for mathematicians
You got me man that's weird as hell. I read this at the point he started talking about it. I guess he doesn't actually know geometry at all. Pretty normal these days.
Need to also account for stacking standards in tool manufacturing. To achieve a mm deviation the tool used must be manufactured at 1/2 of the intended accuracy or .500. This stacking applies to lathes and other components used in manufacturing. The numbers don’t add up and one must start looking Occam's razor. The end result precision is simply impossible at this scale. One offs accounting for a Master Stone Mason. The labor hours involved would be impossible to achieve any significant quantity.
Its funny how the word "impossible" keeps popping up in these sort of videos "It is impossible to move such large stones" ... No it ain't and it was done all around the world "It is impossible to build the great pyramid".. No it ain't.. It's there , aint' it ? "It is impossible to make such fine vases" ... No it ain't.. Skilled craftsmen have produced fine works of art for millennia And with regards to THIS vase, ZERO evidence is provided that it is actually ancient Egyptian. So the BS measurements here are utterly useless. Provide proof of when and where it was made..For all we know, it is a product of 21st century industry
@johnconcannon3844 Careful who you respond to. I didn't ask the initial question, reread it. I made a similar response to you, only more succinct and less smart assed. [Any further comments?]
@@johnconcannon3844 Wrong. You space cadets need to get your science right. The value of pi is a mathematical constant and is infinite so he would be unable to recite the full value of pi in the video.
A long time ago in a galaxy far far away an advanced alien civilization looked upon a blue a world with primitive creatures and said to themselves "Hey let's go down there and help them move some rocks"
@@timothyblazer1749 Apparently you have a problem with the concept of "evidence" IF evidence were provided (which it never is just some fantasies from scammers) then there would be no problem with the concept of "ancient advanced tech" ... However the evidence we have so far is that ancients did NOT have access to any advanced tech
@johnk-pc2zx they used a tooll from previous culture, a potters wheel. Between heavy pillars to hold the tool steady while the work rotated , a beam between the pillars controlled the cross feed , if the bearing is true 001 is a piece of cake. If you love your work and take your time tool maker oldest profession
What's the origin and how have these vessels been dated? I've been to Egypt. Travelled up and down. West to East. And no-one could give me a straight answer as to the dating, the manufacturing or the purpose of these vessels and the tooling required. Even to the naked eye and touch you can hardly spot and feel imperfections, let alone that they are a marvel of mathmatical genius. This bending of the truth and allergic reaction to any challenge to orthodoxy is unfortunately part of the culture there; no-one will debate let alone be proven wrong - that would require the other party to be able to admit they could be wrong. The (ancient) history of Egypt has been (white)washed and re-written several times over by several culture-wars and a lot of artifacts and reliquaries has been creatively 'restored', so the records are fuzzy at best. During my time there 2 years ago, my thinking had more and more become that it's somehow a dupe. A possible con. For I went in believing in miracles and ancient lost high tech but have become more and more sceptic as my journey as an amateur archaeologist progresses. I would be surprised if some of these we're done with industrial means rather then what's been claimed about the objects in your possession.
They avoid talking about where the vase is from because most likely they know it is a fraud. Most likely this particular vase was made in the 21st century or perhaps in the 20th Suffice to say that there is a controversy over the famous Nefertiti bust, with some claiming it is a 20th century fake. Such an obscure vase would be easy as pie to fake
So many questions and yet so few are looking for answers. I mean why use granite at all?.. If you want to store grain or wine , there must be cheaper materials available ... so what was the purpose of them? As to deviations and precision, I wonder if these were constant across multiple vases (indicating sophisticated mass production), or do the deviations change with each vase? I am getting a bit annoyed by both sides atm... one side making extra ordinary claims about the past without proof and the other side adhering to some dogma ignoring possibilities to the point of actually burying evidence to maintain said dogma. To me it is also a matter of logic to a degree. If you look at our own civilization, in a mere 100 orso years we went from horsedraw carriages and ink and paper to computers and spacecraft. So the idea that previous civilizations have not made similar strides albeit in different directions is madness to me, especially given the amount of time similar humanoids have been around
Yes the perfection is not only across thousands of vases, but also found with the one hundred ton "sarcophagus" boxes within the serapium , 90 degree perfect.. PERFECT angles in granite along meters of length, creating completely hermetic seals ... This is why Dunn's observation is so important, as he works these materials first hand and testifies this is not possible with our technology today.
@@rickb169 What the hell are you talking about You do NOT even know where this vase came from and when it was made "thousands of vases" were not measured... these scammers "measured" (allegedly) a couple of vases of unknown provenance.. They threw meaningless numbers at you to impress the gullible who are too lazy to check by themselves. Scamming 101 at work The sentence "it is not possible with our technology today" is such an idiotic statement and a standard line used by scammers "oh we cannot build the pyramid today" "oh we cannot not move these rocks today".. Yes we CAN... And there is nothing difficult about making a right angle And btw when serious measures are made (not the ones made by these scammers) you can immediately see the "imperfections"
We know a little of the history prior to the dynastic era and the Upper Nile people who became the rulers when they settled on the Nile they already where much more sophisticated than the people on the Lower Nile Delta in terms of the goods they manufactured. We see this in quite a lot of cultures where the early pieces are much more sophisticated then over time as the populations grow it becomes much more cost and labour effective to mass produce lower quality goods like pottery and so on. What I think needs to happen is somewhere out in that huge desert there must be evidence of where these people originally resided during the wet period and that may shed more light about who they where and what they was capable of.
"You're saying at 4/1000th of an inch the vessels are perfect and these are 1/1000th?" "That's right" "And if they go over 8... it's Dynastic?" "Yeah that's right" "How come no one's talking about this? You're completely sure of the math?" "Look at him. That's my Quant." "Your what?" "My Quantitative!"
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... You have no idea where this vase comes from, when it was made, how it was measured, what is precision and what precision can be achieved by hand and ancient tools and you jump to this conclusion. Because a dude shoved some numbers down your throat? Looks like you're a prime target for scammers of all type
The concept of a piss pot being used to "express multiple mathematical principles" is so moronic that only a scammer can sell this with a straight face
Considering the various interesting types of stone and various shapes I figure they were simply art works. This brings the point that if they could expend what for us would be extremely expensive effort on frivolous works what were the important and even critical works they accomplished. All considered a lot of the ancient stone artifacts are magic to us, simple for them and the amount of inexplicable stone artifacts on the planet indicate a very large civilization is missing. And why is all other evidence such as worn cutters and machinery and support facilities missing? Every pound of stone artifact required large energy resource, many tons of equipment and exponential amount of support, or a few extremely competent wizards that just liked to goof around with rocks.
@danontherun5685 I agree. And your on to somthing there! Of all the small holes drill into ancient stones all over the world, no-one has come across a single one with a broken drill bit stuck inside?? Not even in granite?? Or should I be wondering, has archeology ever even thought to look?? Too many questions in archeology are left floundering in the too hard basket IMO!
They mostly left and took their tools with them, time would have degraded some, and some tools/machinery could still be here hidden. Any that the government have found would have been hidden.
This is a very interesting presentation. I would hypothesize that the reason no machinery has been found is due to the age of the artifacts. Stone is millions of years old whereas most other materials degrade well before that. An additional thought is that many of these artifacts could have be brought from some other location, terrestrial or not, and this other terrestrial location could have been far below present day sea level. It would be very difficult for us to find these machines if they were submerged yesterday let alone millions of years ago in deep salt water. Just a thought.
@@middleagedjoe8796 Not millions of years. Only thousands. Machines found would have been hidden. A few thousand years would make our materials degrade. We don't know what the machines were made of. I think most tools were taken off planet and any left here are being hidden.
Since thousands of these were found dumped under the pyramid, they were built to hold a precise acid volume as cells in a battery storage system. A catastrophic event overloaded and destroyed many like power going out in a city storm, the Black Pyramid, Bent Pyramid, and there is another that was partially destroyed like an internal explosion.
@jvin248 if that were truly the case, to store acid, why plate styles, why miniature vases, why no set std. I think others in this thread have found a completely reasonable answer, actually! There were sooooo many of sooo many different shapes and sizes. I think they made them because they could! And quite easily in the end, that's plainly obvious by the quantity. As for the "why"? Well, one thing you gotta admit, they are quite beautiful, aren't they!!! At some distant time, way in the distant past, humans could make them really easily!!..... and they look spectacular! Reason enough I reckon!!
No they were not. A majority of the vases found are from softer stones and/or pottery. Granite vases are a minority And we do not know WHEN this vase was made and WHERE. This is not talked about in these videos and thus is highly suspicious
@@thomasxxxxxx2345I think the key takeaway is that nobody has come forward and been able to produce an exact replication of one of these to this day. Find me a granite vase that's accurate to within thousandths of an inch..The whole point is that even today we don't see masons with today's CNC machines cranking these out with this precision.
@@thomasxxxxxx2345and if we want to get a bit more pedantic, we can trace the actual provenance of this particular vase to AT LEAST the 1980s, because that's when the private collector acquired it. In the 1980s we DEFINITELY didn't have the machining capabilities for granite we have today (and again, even today it's something you couldn't just pop into any old CNC stone cutter and recreate)
If it was just one. O.K. they got lucky on one. multiples at that kind of tolerance? No way that was done by hand and hand tools. Look at medieval or even 19th century stuff. everything was one offs in terms of dimensions and size and some of that did have crude machines making them.
or...NOT. Pendulums, plumb bobs, and other tools are likely the solutions. Seems like yr looking for implausibilities rather than solutions based on the likely materials of the Chacolithic.
No, they are not. They are beautiful to our human, organic eyes. But they are far from mathematically perfect. These vessels are mathematically perfect.
@@thomasxxxxxx2345 these vases have characteristics flat & parallel tops and bottoms, perpendicular cores, and circular cross sections. Flatness, parallelism, perpendicularity, and circularity are all things that we can mathematically define. A circle, for example, is a purely mathematical object that we can only come very close to manufacturing. Think of it this way, there is no mathematic definition for a shape called “The David” therefore we can’t compare how close the sculptor came to making a perfect “The David” we just see it for the magnificent artwork it is. We can actually quantify how close the makers of these vases came to achieving perfection in limited aspects like I described above. Accuracy down to the micron scale! If you can’t measure it, you can’t make it…
This guy knows literally nothing about what he’s talking about. I really really loathe when guys who think they are smart, make claims that are astoundingly ignorant, because they didn’t think to ask anyone who actually works stone. Stone is NOT hard to work. EVERY ancient culture figured it out. In the modern era, we still carve stone the exact same way as the ancients. We rub a harder rock on it. We just motorize our rubbing so it goes faster. It’s not rocket science. Anyone can figure out what will carve a given rock by noticing if another kind of rock leaves a scratch on it. Guys like this are astounded by precision. But that just shows he’s never mastered making anything with his own hands. Precision is EASY to achieve with the most rudimentary of tools. You can literally just carve one section of a vase to a curve you like. Take a plaster casting reinforced with horse hair just 1” wide along that profile. And then just painstakingly carve the rest of the vase to the same profile using abrasives. You can even carve the shape of the handles INTO the plaster profile on one side so that you can be sure they will match, and that you are not changing the underlying curve thru the opening. You set the vase on a turntable, or on a pole thru its central hole, so you can mount the reference profile a fixed distance away and carve and turn the vase as you go. You keep working, section by section, little by little until you can slide it neatly under the plaster profile. Seriously. Stop mystifying things just because you are too ‘sophisticated’ to have ever made anything with your own two hands. I am a sculptor. Pay me for a half year of my time and I will happily make you a perfect granite urn using nothing that wasn’t available to ancient stone workers. ALL it takes is some skill, and a lot of patience. SO things he glossed over to try and make it sound implausible. Granite is not all that hard. Dolomite is even softer than most granite. The most common abrasive in the world is quartz in ordinary SAND. Egypt had a ready supply. Need something harder? Garnet is harder than granite and so common that we make sandpaper out of it. Egypt traded with peoples all over the Indian subcontinent, Africa, and the Mediterranean. Oh, and when they COULD find meteoric iron, they were perfectly capable of fashioning tools out of it. King Tut’s tomb had an iron dagger in it. The ancients did not carve with just a copper tool. For fine work They coated the copper with pitch and embedded crushed quartz or garnet in it. You can drill perfect holes in granite using a copper or even a wooden rod coated in sand or garnet. You can make a bandsaw by sticking abrasives on a copper blade, or even by soaking linen string in pitch and rolling it in garnet or sand. It takes only a day to carve a nice deep hieroglyph in granite using quartz tipped chisels and butterknife like blades coated in sand.
@ I make sculpture for money, buddy, not just to demonstrate simple things to even more simple minds. About $80k would cover my time to make such an urn. Seriously. Why don’t you ask the doofus who made this claim to make one using the lasers he thinks would work before you believe his claim they could be made with modern tools? The difference between me and him is I have a long career of making things with my hands. Things out of stone, steel, bronze, resins, plaster, and other media. I’ve done architecture, fine art, portraiture and a whole host of things neither You nor He can do. Just because HE and You can’t do it does not make it impossible. Unlike this guy and you, I actually USE modern 7 axis mills, laser cutters and waterjets controlled by computers to make things. And guess what? They would NOT be the most cost effective way to make one of these. Those machines are expensive and renting time on them costs money. I would do it much the way the egyptians did, except I would use motorized cutting tools to make it go faster. I COULD use my fancy laser scanner to measure it for accuracy… But just casting a simple plaster profile on one section of it would be faster, and even more accurate. ( lasers have a hard time scanning and measuring marble and granite, because those stones have translucent crystals in them that can refract light, returning a surface we call ‘orange peel’. ) How do you make a CAR symmetrical? You just MEASURE one side, and COPY the measurements to the other side. How do you get accurate measurements? You hang a string from a frame as a dead vertical plumb line and measure a series of vertical points from that reference line to the surface, then move the string measured distances along the frame its hanging from. How do you make something radially symmetrical? How do you think egyptians made the millions of ceramic pots in their granaries? They used a potters wheel, which is JUST a vertically oriented lathe. The idea that a HANDLE sticking out on the sides makes it impossible is just a failure of this guy, and you, to THINK it thru. The egyptians did not CUT them on a lathe. They just used the lathe to REFERENCE the work to a template. One made of plaster, or papyrus, or wood. In an era before internet, before television and radio, before romance novels and jigsaw puzzles, human beings had much longer attention spans. They were patient, and meticulous, and capable. The ONLY thing I need to prove they didn’t need sophisticated technology is to show that ordinary SAND will carve granite and Diorite. YOU could make an urn out of a block of granite using Nothing but sandpaper, it would just take you a few years. Stop being so gullible to foolish claims made about ancient artifacts. The fact that they EXIST is Proof they could be made with the limited technology of those cultures.
@@ABC-yt1nq Hire me. I’m a sculptor, i carve stone for money, not to demonstrate simple ideas to guys who have never made anything with their hands. I do architecture, fine art portraiture, and product design in stone and the fact that you and the quant can’t do those things does Not mean they are impossible to do.
@@christopherpardell4418 You claim to be able to carve a "perfect" granite urn. That would be an urn where measurements are not out by even a thousandth of an inch. Every curve perfect. Uniform thickness everywhere. I call bullshit. You can't do it. No one can.
@@ABC-yt1nq Excuse me, did you actually just claim that NOone could make the thing that SOMEONE Obviously DID make? You have never made anything, have you? I have made an 18 foot bronze rooster. A 12 foot stone figure. A 35 foot steel sculptural canopy. A few things you should know. This Quant did NOT measure the urn. He’s never even touched it. He probably could not have measured it accurately if he could get access to it. So, you are taking the word of someone who has never made anything in stone, who has not actually even touched the thing he is claiming to be impossibly accurate. You realize this, right? That you believe what THIS doofus says, with zero actual proof, despite the fact that this urn actually EXISTS. Right? You are willing to believe egyptians had a sophisticated technology of which their culture shows ZERO other evidence, or that, what, Space Aliens did it for them? Rather than just accept that what THIS guy ‘says’ is impossible might not be as hard to pull off as he claims? One of the earliest precision tools made by man is the lathe/potters wheel. All it is is a means of spinning something, and a tool rest to steady and limit the depth of the tool from the axis of spin. If the tool rest has a profile of a given shape, then you can duplicate a hundred objects, say the stiles on a banister, that will all come out within a thousandth of an inch identical and with perfect radial symmetry. So, seriously, even a primitive hand spun lathe makes radial symmetry to within a thousandth of an inch. We KNOW the egyptians could turn wood, and clay, and stone, because they made LOTS of things that way. And this Quant is claiming that they had a far more sophisticated technology that they NEVER USED for any of the other things for which such an ability would be useful.? Do you not get how utterly silly that sounds? I USE and own 3D scanners. Laser scanners, structured light scanners, and photogrammetric scanners. They CANNOT measure granite to an accuracy of 1 thousandth of an inch. That’s because granite has crystals of quartz and other translucent or transparent stone in its matrix, and those return a false depth. The data you get from scanning granite is lumpy- it’s literally called ‘orange peel’. Plus or minus 20-50 thousandths. And when you use scanners that do not return orange peel, it’s because they are not very high resolution scanners. I know this because I have actually scanned granite. If I want to measure a granite piece accurately, I literally have to set up a reference frame and measure from the frame to the surface with a physical pointer and gauge. If I want to measure its radial symmetry accurately, I have to set the object on a turntable, so I can turn it on its axis, relative to the surface gauge, to capture just how far out of perfect it is. And THAT is pretty much how you would have to set up a chunk of granite to CARVE it to an accurately symmetrical radius and curve if you have to carve it with primitive tools. Again, with just ONE slice of profile that will determine the depth you cut all the way around. So, 1- this guy never measured the Urn in question. He makes an unsupported claim about its accuracy based upon what OTHER people have claimed about it. 2-cutting something on a turntable to match a profile WILL result in radial symmetry. 3-When a culture HAS sophisticated tech, it shows up in many other kinds of uses, and that advance leads to other advances. We know Egyptians did not have glass, because they did not make glass mirrors, windows, lenses, telescopes, or any of the other things that a culture that can make glass does. 4- every early culture that had access to stone figured out how to work it and transport it. Every one. It’s just not as difficult as people who have never even tried to do it imagine it to be.
The fact that no one, not one out of 8 BILLION people on this planet has come forward to reveal exactly how these were created tells you this is thé most important mystery on the planet. Figure out how these were made (WITH precision) and you’ve figured out all ancient stonework construction.
No one out of the 8 billion people were alive when this was made to tell you how it was made. A stone mason today will tell you how it could be made. Hand tools, time and a large rock is what's required to make one of these..source ~ me, not a qualified stonemason but an adult with enough knowledge, critical thinking and experience to know this.
@keirankainth lol, then, when that's sorted, check out Barabar caves in India and have your 🧠 🤯!! Want evidence of sophisticated advanced civilisation? This place takes the 🎂!!
Give Ancient tools and Abrasives to Prisoners that were given a Life Sentence. If they can make the same Vase to the same Precision, they gain their Freedom. Solutions will be forthwith. I.M.H.O. Gregory/ The Pigeon Meister ... . 🐦⬛ *Or, there will be a lot of Prisoners walking the streets...
@6DunJuan9 then why doesn't a stone Mason step and make one, or maybe make a few thousand? Then perhaps your argument would carry a grain of credibility.
The Vases aren't empty, each one produces unique vibrational frequencies... They're like LP Records or VHS tapes, each one produces information when they're played or perhaps they produce medicinal cures for specific illnesses when activated They're too anally precise to be Art, too fragile to be functional & under any circumstance too difficult to produce... They definitely preform a function *And the reason they don't have lids is because you can't spill vibrational frequencies And isn't it slightly odd only one Sabu disk was found with countless Vases?, seems very similar to someones old Record player & large record collection doesn't it? Everything has its own unique vibrational frequency & it's a powerful technology. God spoke the Universe into creation & began with Let there be light. (sound is vibration) I think we need to stop measuring the dam things and start performing experiments
heard about that. heard about speculations that says that the Pyramids was built to amplify those vibrations from those vases... but i do not understand a dime about HOW that would work
So many skeptics but no one that will come forward and "just make" a tiny vase using tools attributed to the time period. Because it CANNOT be done, is the simple answer.
Let us start with you providing actual evidence that the vase presented in this video is ancient Egyptian. For all we know it was made in the 21st century
So then how did they heat the granite to such a temperature, whatever that might have to be, as to allow for the formation of these vessels? Aside from that, they inherently NOT MADE THE SAME WAY AS PORCELAIN VASES… 😂
@@blueyedevil3479 It would certainly be interesting if they could make something so perfect out of a type of cement. It would still not answer the question of how and why they would make it so perfect.
Archeologists have asked the same questions a long time ago. These presenters are just trying to present mystery as something novel again. In other words its all bs.
Given their precision, they were molecularly 3D printed based on AI design. Since the technology is hypothetically possible in the future, they are indicative of time travel.
Wrong. Time travel does not, cannot, will not exist. If you jumped into a "time machine" to go back in time 2 hours, earth moved through the universe 200,000 or so kilometers. Now when you step out of your "time machine" you are in the void of space, you freeze and die. Should you think the machine will take you and the planet back with you 2 hours then everything on the planet goes back to the same time as you but the sun is now 200,000 kilometers away from our normal orbit, we lose gravitational pull, float off into space, freeze and die..so no, "time travel" is not possible. Jumping or teleporting to a specific spacetime could be possible but many years away.
hahah, egyptology is dying. tell zahi hawass his lies and corruption are coming to an end. real scientists and engineers are now involved. no more hiding things from the world, no more selling off of our history.
I maintain that the intended content of the vessels are the artifacts themselves.
An extremely durable record of highly sophisticated technology, mathematics, and universal knowledge.
Agreed, mainly! I posted to Ben(UnchartedX) and others, several years ago, that they really need to continue to focus on precision. Much of the time I think that people do not hear me; no special letters in front of my name lol
Also awhile ago I wrote to Ben, or it may also have been in the comments, that they could do tests like laser abrasion, or other methods to take samples from the surfaces of stones, even polished ones, to learn about what was or was not(copper) used.
I am a jack of all trades so I knew that certain cutting, grinding, welding tasks had to be done with correct materials so as to not leave stuff behind that you do not want embedded...in the mix.
I figured at the very least, they could establish and silence once and for all, that these artifacts and megaliths, were made with tooling the Egyptians did not have.
I watch "The Curse of Oak Island". They learned how much information they got when they took an object to a lab to nondestructively sample the elements. They purchased their own test equipment, and hired a lab technician lol This is what made me think to suggest this type of sampling/testing to UnchartedX.
It is a funny thing, even to me, that it seems people sometimes do hear me, but don't know me, and I don't care for the attention anyway lol
IMO these "jars, vases", artifacts, are as you suggest. I think we need to be even more open minded though. What if it was easy for the makers to produce them? What if their tooling was simply that good, and they never intended the artifact to be a message? If their "computers" were so advanced that they employed advanced math and geometry by default?
I don't know that there was meant to be a message, but the evidence is wonderful.
@markluxton3402 it was SUPER EASY for them to make them, pal. Over 40'000 examples were found in the tunnels under the step pyramid. Mostly broken. In fact, the tunnels were so full of broken stone vessles, the authorities dug a hole and just buried a heap of them!
Next question is, why no lids???
Could it be that they ring when struck? I'm thinking, If you played them, they wouldn't need a lid! 🤔🤔🤔
@@andrewporrelli8268 Still no lids? Hmmmm.....
I don't think their mathematical precision in geometry would lend well to ringing accurately as a musical instrument...just a guess.
No lids? That does seem odd.
@@markluxton3402 Because you can't spill vibrational frequencies & lids weren't necessary
@@andrewporrelli8268 This is the important bit. They were made like golf balls for a driving range. Or like battery cells for an EV. Which would fit with the idea of copper cable remnants found in the upper tiny tunnel. Set up a machine to turn out vessels by the thousands, fill them with acid and a cork top with anode and cathode rods and away you go with storing energy from pyramidal free energy concept (gathering earth's magnetic field power).
I have been following the presentations on the digital analysis of ancient vases and it’s very difficult to wrap your head around how these were made thousands of years ago. But there’s an answer somewhere and one day we will find it. But kudos to these guys for asking the questions. You will miss 100% of answers you don’t look for.
To start with we do not know WHEN they were made because there is NO proof of provenance. Could have been made 1 month prior in China
If you find an Iphone inside a pyramid the most likely explanation is that some tourist lost it yesterday. Not that some magical advanced civilization made it thousands of years ago.
We know the answer. It’s just there’s money to be made selling naive people lies about how impossible it is. And no one wants to hear that all it takes is some very basic cleverness, abrasives like, i dunno, desert sand, and a LOT more patience than this guy has ever demonstrated.
I was trained to carve stone. It’s not hard; It’s just slow. And we Still use the same tools the ancients did. We Rub it with a harder rock. It’s just my garnet and Diamond tools are motorized and they did it by hand.
All you have to do is something this guy never has. TRY IT. Try pounding on granite with a hard rock like basalt or dolomite. It will surprise you how fast it takes stone off. TRY a copper butterknife coated in something really sticky and coated with garnet or sand, and you will find you can easily carve straight deep lines thru granite. TRY mounting a stone in a frame that allows you to turn it precisely, and make a plaster profile of the first section you carve to use as the template to get the rest of it to match to as you turn the stone in its jig.
Anyone putting forth the effort to TRY it using materials and tools known to the ancients will find it absolutely doable. But tediously time consuming.
This guy is the worst of pseudo archeology
@@christopherpardell4418 Well said
I'd add that the basic premise : "we are going to prove that the ancients had high tech by measuring, of all things, some vases" is so utterly idiotic that it is a wonder how so many get sucked into this nonsensical line of thinking
but you gotta give credit to whoever first came up with this particular scam.. at least they are creative (not to mention arrogant)
@ one of the very first tools ancients came up with was the potters wheel. And any culture that has a potters wheel understands how a lathe works. Egyptians did not have a powered lathe. But they could certainly set up a fixed profile template to ensure they carved a radially symmetrical shape.
@@christopherpardell4418Apparently the smarter you get the less capable you are of actually doing the doing of anything. Soon we will be able to make nothing at all. Everything will be incredible.
I would recommend going the Uncharted X channel and watching a full presentation on these vases, or on anomalous ancient precision. This presentation really doesn't do the subject justice, particularly for those without a background in these subject.
Yeah, UnchartedX spends 2 hours bla bla bla on the vase "precision" and less than 30 seconds on the provenance of the vase. That is a deflection tactic right there, they do NOT want to talk about provenance because the most likely explanation is that the vase is recent
@@thomasxxxxxx2345 There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of these ancient vases that have a similar degree of precision held in museums with impeccable provenance. They have been items of interest for decades while museums refuse to allow them be scanned. The UnchartedX metrology work began with one vase, but has progressed to a larger number. An honest approach would be to look at more and more of the data that comes from these artifacts. Frankly just the vase's form and material is enough to be anomalous, but the precision is just an exact way of talking about it.
I've been following this vase through all the videos about it. People are human, they make mistakes, they have typos, they get numbers mixed up in their heads, stuff happens. From what I have seen digging into the details this vase has less mistakes in it than the people talking about it. I am looking forward to the mentioned publications where we can tighten up our modern human errors through peer review.
What is a "vase mistake" ?
The first thing to do (which none of these scammers talks about) is establish beyond doubt the provenance of this vase and when it was made. Everything else is a pure waste of time until this is established
Second who came up with the moronic idea that a vase dimensions can "prove" high tech ? What is the scientific basis for this assumption ?
Geometry @@thomasxxxxxx2345
What this proves tk me is that today, we have very overcomplicated and fragile machines controlled by massively complicated electronic and software while someone in ancient times had no trouble doing these with some other simple type of technology
Good science. Implications are enormous. No holds barred investigation into artifacts which I have viewed in museums many times and said to myself, "how the heck did they do that?" Super Kudos.
Very bad science. The very first thing to do is establish WHEN the vase was made and WHERE it came from... This is never done in these videos and thus is highly suspicious
@@thomasxxxxxx2345 What you said makes no sense...
@@HonkyMonky Really? Someone pulls a vase out of nowhere , does not prove WHERE it came from nor WHEN it was made then pretends to be awed by the vase dimensions. For all we know it was made last month in a factory in China. Which makes the whole spiel laughable
If someone pulls up a Iphone and claims it was ancient Egyptian would you not be skeptical ? Same here, until the provenance of the vase is proven this is all just BS
@@HonkyMonky Yes it does. You all are looking for something that doesn't exist.
@@Mr_Bio_Hazard Oh yeah what are we looking for? Explain me life ...
Over 40,000 found in the tunnels of the step pyramid and in tombs of the pre-dynastic era. Must have been easy for them to make if there are so many.
🤔 One really big "next question",.... where are all the lids🤔🤔🤔
I think this is also true of many megalithic stone, precisely fitted structures. They would never have spent decades on every stone to make it fit. Whatever tools they had, were/are better than ours.
I bet it was relatively easy for them to move giant stones across mountains and rivers and cut them to fit, and smooth out entire walls of rock.
Always easier with a better tool ;-)
Straw and wax, straw and clay, just clay, fabric and clay, fabric and wax, all perfectly acceptable to seal the top of a vase. I want to say "weathering" that ruined the lids or just removed and destroyed when the contents were used.
@6DunJuan9 in the later periods they didn't have problems making anthropomorphic lids for canopic jars. Lids for alibaster jars are common, but not on early period stone vessels. Not one lid in over 40,000. Why, just.....why??
As a wood turner who loves making bowls the most, why no lid? It's not that difficult to shape and part a lid off a bowl when making it, tbh. It's obvious the ancient hard stone jars were turned, not hollowed with the late period tool used for allibaster jars. As for the alibaster jars from later periods, It seems they lost the ability to turn them, lost the process of how it was done or lost how the lathe was made.
@@andrewporrelli8268 Each vessel encodes several aspects (Sacred Proportions) of the "Sacred Science." The lids represent the hidden aspects of the Sacred Science and were interred separately.
Vases dont have lids.
I believe the purpose of these vessels is for us to scratch our heads about them. They are extremely sophisticated time capsules. Think about it, how would you make something that contains all of your scientific knowledge, your designing and manufacturing capabilities and your philosophical ideas and is also as indestructible as possible? smartphones and computers don't last that long. It also has to be completely without any written words, because you don't know what language people speak in the future. it also shouldn't look like religious imagery, because people of other beliefs might destroy it. that's why they are vessels. because vessels have a use, especially ones that are beautiful and almost indestructible, and people will keep them instead of destroying them. (I also think that there might be an indication of a philosophical idea behind the "vessel") and then just make 30,000 of them, so at least one will survive far into the future, when humanity has reached a technological point where they can be analyzed and understood, which is now.
not only are these vessels undeniable proof that humanity has reached a high level of technological sophistication in the distant past, but the reason why they even exist is for us to realize that we are not the first iteration of intelligent life on this planet.
Yes.
Seems blatantly obvious that the intended contents of the vessels is the artifact itself.
An extremely durable record of highly sophisticated technology, mathematics, and universal knowledge.
They just had great "computers" and advanced tools, and liked working with stone. Perhaps they never intended there to be a message.
Almost all metals on earth do not survive 100000 years on the surface, exposed to the oxygen and sun... Some stones on the other hand...
@Parabola001 what a wonderful concept! 👏 If that is the intention of their makers, for us to scratch our heads thousands of years later, they most certainly succeeded in their endevours!!
@@markluxton3402 considering how much our ancestors have respected and admired their own ancestors, it's not far fetched that they would also have thought a lot about how people in the future would remember them. If they only "liked" working in stone they could have used far softer, and more visually pleasing stone like marble. they used the hardest stones on the planet for a reason. we don't do stuff like this today because we have stopped thinking about the future (or the past).
If our ancestors accounts of history (myths) are true then these vases would be easy to make because they were made within only a few years of the rock forming, it would still be soft, which also explains why the vases stopped being produced, the stone eventually hardened. This also explains the cart ruts in Malta. There are many fully qualified science professors who see evidence for the myths being true therefore it would be an advantage for vase investigators to include them in this study.
Why would the rock be soft? Please explain your science and logic behind your comment.
@ “If” the myths are true then it was the worldwide flood survivors who built the megaliths, when the rock layers were newly formed, water saturated and soft.
Maybe some of the vases were done more recently and sold to people under the assumption they were real????
Reminds me of Hero's Aeolipile Steam Engine...
Everyone was sitting around amused & playing with it yet tragically never realized it's true potential...The Romans had a technological revolution in their hands & let it slip away
Heron (Hero) of Alexandria, 10 BCE - 70 CE, was a 'plagiarizer' not an inventor. He DID NOT invent the Aeolipile: A simple steam turbine. Heron's formula: A formula for finding the area of a triangle. Dioptra: A book on land surveying. Mechanica: A three-book work that presents engineering principles. Metrica: A three-book compendium of geometric rules and formulas. Pneumatica: A two-book work that describes mechanical devices.
Done so casually and made it look easy . Volume constant metric?
What is "Volume Constant Metric"?
Any idea of how they made them?
14:00 Pi is 3.16 ??? With so many equations and math he displayed in earlier slides how can he get pi so wrong? I'm sorry but now I don't know what else he got wrong and made up in the whole presentation.
oh, because of this you will dismiss all the measurements? All the hard data that there is there? You can have one of those vases too... If you have enough money, you can buy and measure it yourself. Heck, try making just ONE of those, PLEASE.
Yeah that was weird
Yeah that's a huge error
@@Kiyooneif you are into precision you would see how major this inaccuracy really looks. Pi will get you a circle, 3.16 will give you a spiral. Two completely different outcomes... It's a pretty major oversight for mathematicians
You got me man that's weird as hell. I read this at the point he started talking about it.
I guess he doesn't actually know geometry at all. Pretty normal these days.
Need to also account for stacking standards in tool manufacturing. To achieve a mm deviation the tool used must be manufactured at 1/2 of the intended accuracy or .500. This stacking applies to lathes and other components used in manufacturing. The numbers don’t add up and one must start looking Occam's razor. The end result precision is simply impossible at this scale. One offs accounting for a Master Stone Mason. The labor hours involved would be impossible to achieve any significant quantity.
Its funny how the word "impossible" keeps popping up in these sort of videos
"It is impossible to move such large stones" ... No it ain't and it was done all around the world
"It is impossible to build the great pyramid".. No it ain't.. It's there , aint' it ?
"It is impossible to make such fine vases" ... No it ain't.. Skilled craftsmen have produced fine works of art for millennia
And with regards to THIS vase, ZERO evidence is provided that it is actually ancient Egyptian. So the BS measurements here are utterly useless. Provide proof of when and where it was made..For all we know, it is a product of 21st century industry
Pi is not 3.16. Why did he say that?
He didn't, he said ~3.14
@@carlw The full infinite value of pi if he had given it, would have taken up the whole video. So that's why he rounded it off. Next question.
@johnconcannon3844 Careful who you respond to. I didn't ask the initial question, reread it. I made a similar response to you, only more succinct and less smart assed. [Any further comments?]
Because he's talking about made up BS.
@@johnconcannon3844 Wrong. You space cadets need to get your science right. The value of pi is a mathematical constant and is infinite so he would be unable to recite the full value of pi in the video.
A long time ago in a galaxy far far away an advanced alien civilization looked upon a blue a world with primitive creatures and said to themselves "Hey let's go down there and help them move some rocks"
Nah fam. It was just humans, but they had higher tech than we want to admit
@@timothyblazer1749 Apparently you have a problem with the concept of "evidence"
IF evidence were provided (which it never is just some fantasies from scammers) then there would be no problem with the concept of "ancient advanced tech" ... However the evidence we have so far is that ancients did NOT have access to any advanced tech
@@timothyblazer1749 BS.
Apex Stone age culture would be expected to leave fantastically wonderful Stone artifacts.
How did they achieve this level of precision though?
@johnk-pc2zx they used a tooll from previous culture, a potters wheel. Between heavy pillars to hold the tool steady while the work rotated , a beam between the pillars controlled the cross feed , if the bearing is true 001 is a piece of cake. If you love your work and take your time tool maker oldest profession
What's the origin and how have these vessels been dated?
I've been to Egypt. Travelled up and down. West to East. And no-one could give me a straight answer as to the dating, the manufacturing or the purpose of these vessels and the tooling required. Even to the naked eye and touch you can hardly spot and feel imperfections, let alone that they are a marvel of mathmatical genius. This bending of the truth and allergic reaction to any challenge to orthodoxy is unfortunately part of the culture there; no-one will debate let alone be proven wrong - that would require the other party to be able to admit they could be wrong.
The (ancient) history of Egypt has been (white)washed and re-written several times over by several culture-wars and a lot of artifacts and reliquaries has been creatively 'restored', so the records are fuzzy at best.
During my time there 2 years ago, my thinking had more and more become that it's somehow a dupe. A possible con. For I went in believing in miracles and ancient lost high tech but have become more and more sceptic as my journey as an amateur archaeologist progresses. I would be surprised if some of these we're done with industrial means rather then what's been claimed about the objects in your possession.
They avoid talking about where the vase is from because most likely they know it is a fraud. Most likely this particular vase was made in the 21st century or perhaps in the 20th
Suffice to say that there is a controversy over the famous Nefertiti bust, with some claiming it is a 20th century fake. Such an obscure vase would be easy as pie to fake
that only shows that humans not evolve but devolve
UnchartedX has already done this 10 months ago
Yes, scammers of the world tend to share their scams
@@thomasxxxxxx2345Go get boosted again.
So many questions and yet so few are looking for answers.
I mean why use granite at all?.. If you want to store grain or wine , there must be cheaper materials available ... so what was the purpose of them?
As to deviations and precision, I wonder if these were constant across multiple vases (indicating sophisticated mass production), or do the deviations change with each vase?
I am getting a bit annoyed by both sides atm... one side making extra ordinary claims about the past without proof and the other side adhering to some dogma ignoring possibilities to the point of actually burying evidence to maintain said dogma.
To me it is also a matter of logic to a degree.
If you look at our own civilization, in a mere 100 orso years we went from horsedraw carriages and ink and paper to computers and spacecraft.
So the idea that previous civilizations have not made similar strides albeit in different directions is madness to me, especially given the amount of time similar humanoids have been around
Yes the perfection is not only across thousands of vases, but also found with the one hundred ton "sarcophagus" boxes within the serapium , 90 degree perfect.. PERFECT angles in granite along meters of length, creating completely hermetic seals ... This is why Dunn's observation is so important, as he works these materials first hand and testifies this is not possible with our technology today.
@@rickb169 What the hell are you talking about
You do NOT even know where this vase came from and when it was made
"thousands of vases" were not measured... these scammers "measured" (allegedly) a couple of vases of unknown provenance.. They threw meaningless numbers at you to impress the gullible who are too lazy to check by themselves. Scamming 101 at work
The sentence "it is not possible with our technology today" is such an idiotic statement and a standard line used by scammers "oh we cannot build the pyramid today" "oh we cannot not move these rocks today".. Yes we CAN... And there is nothing difficult about making a right angle
And btw when serious measures are made (not the ones made by these scammers) you can immediately see the "imperfections"
We know a little of the history prior to the dynastic era and the Upper Nile people who became the rulers when they settled on the Nile they already where much more sophisticated than the people on the Lower Nile Delta in terms of the goods they manufactured. We see this in quite a lot of cultures where the early pieces are much more sophisticated then over time as the populations grow it becomes much more cost and labour effective to mass produce lower quality goods like pottery and so on. What I think needs to happen is somewhere out in that huge desert there must be evidence of where these people originally resided during the wet period and that may shed more light about who they where and what they was capable of.
@@dreddykrugernew spot on!!
We know little of history pre 1970
"You're saying at 4/1000th of an inch the vessels are perfect and these are 1/1000th?"
"That's right"
"And if they go over 8... it's Dynastic?"
"Yeah that's right"
"How come no one's talking about this? You're completely sure of the math?"
"Look at him. That's my Quant."
"Your what?"
"My Quantitative!"
pi is not 3.16
It would be silly to make a jar this precise. It just looks like a jar but it's something else that we probably can't comprehend.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
You have no idea where this vase comes from, when it was made, how it was measured, what is precision and what precision can be achieved by hand and ancient tools and you jump to this conclusion. Because a dude shoved some numbers down your throat?
Looks like you're a prime target for scammers of all type
can any maths wizards check if this shape is the most efficient at expressing multiple mathematical principles?
The concept of a piss pot being used to "express multiple mathematical principles" is so moronic that only a scammer can sell this with a straight face
Considering the various interesting types of stone and various shapes I figure they were simply art works. This brings the point that if they could expend what for us would be extremely expensive effort on frivolous works what were the important and even critical works they accomplished. All considered a lot of the ancient stone artifacts are magic to us, simple for them and the amount of inexplicable stone artifacts on the planet indicate a very large civilization is missing. And why is all other evidence such as worn cutters and machinery and support facilities missing? Every pound of stone artifact required large energy resource, many tons of equipment and exponential amount of support, or a few extremely competent wizards that just liked to goof around with rocks.
@danontherun5685 I agree. And your on to somthing there!
Of all the small holes drill into ancient stones all over the world, no-one has come across a single one with a broken drill bit stuck inside?? Not even in granite??
Or should I be wondering, has archeology ever even thought to look??
Too many questions in archeology are left floundering in the too hard basket IMO!
They mostly left and took their tools with them, time would have degraded some, and some tools/machinery could still be here hidden. Any that the government have found would have been hidden.
This is a very interesting presentation. I would hypothesize that the reason no machinery has been found is due to the age of the artifacts. Stone is millions of years old whereas most other materials degrade well before that. An additional thought is that many of these artifacts could have be brought from some other location, terrestrial or not, and this other terrestrial location could have been far below present day sea level. It would be very difficult for us to find these machines if they were submerged yesterday let alone millions of years ago in deep salt water. Just a thought.
@@middleagedjoe8796 Not millions of years. Only thousands. Machines found would have been hidden. A few thousand years would make our materials degrade. We don't know what the machines were made of. I think most tools were taken off planet and any left here are being hidden.
Since thousands of these were found dumped under the pyramid, they were built to hold a precise acid volume as cells in a battery storage system. A catastrophic event overloaded and destroyed many like power going out in a city storm, the Black Pyramid, Bent Pyramid, and there is another that was partially destroyed like an internal explosion.
@jvin248 if that were truly the case, to store acid, why plate styles, why miniature vases, why no set std.
I think others in this thread have found a completely reasonable answer, actually! There were sooooo many of sooo many different shapes and sizes. I think they made them because they could! And quite easily in the end, that's plainly obvious by the quantity. As for the "why"?
Well, one thing you gotta admit, they are quite beautiful, aren't they!!!
At some distant time, way in the distant past, humans could make them really easily!!..... and they look spectacular!
Reason enough I reckon!!
No they were not. A majority of the vases found are from softer stones and/or pottery. Granite vases are a minority
And we do not know WHEN this vase was made and WHERE. This is not talked about in these videos and thus is highly suspicious
@@thomasxxxxxx2345 Yep. Your so right. BUT you won't change the minds of these space cadets. Bullshit baffles brains.
@@thomasxxxxxx2345I think the key takeaway is that nobody has come forward and been able to produce an exact replication of one of these to this day. Find me a granite vase that's accurate to within thousandths of an inch..The whole point is that even today we don't see masons with today's CNC machines cranking these out with this precision.
@@thomasxxxxxx2345and if we want to get a bit more pedantic, we can trace the actual provenance of this particular vase to AT LEAST the 1980s, because that's when the private collector acquired it. In the 1980s we DEFINITELY didn't have the machining capabilities for granite we have today (and again, even today it's something you couldn't just pop into any old CNC stone cutter and recreate)
Just ask the skeptics. They know everything.
OK. How did they do it then?
@ I was sarcastic. 😎
you dont need a wall street nerd to explain that the interiors of these stone containers are impossible to make without 5 axis machining
Interesting, the metrology was good, the interpretation very iffy and a few glaring errors.
If it was just one. O.K. they got lucky on one. multiples at that kind of tolerance? No way that was done by hand and hand tools. Look at medieval or even 19th century stuff. everything was one offs in terms of dimensions and size and some of that did have crude machines making them.
or...NOT.
Pendulums, plumb bobs, and other tools are likely the solutions.
Seems like yr looking for implausibilities rather than solutions based on the likely materials of the Chacolithic.
Yes But the pieta or the david are also perfect Theres no time frame for outstanding talent
Not hating , i love these subjects
No, they are not. They are beautiful to our human, organic eyes. But they are far from mathematically perfect. These vessels are mathematically perfect.
@@colemanchapman8725 Define "mathematically perfect"
@@thomasxxxxxx2345 these vases have characteristics flat & parallel tops and bottoms, perpendicular cores, and circular cross sections. Flatness, parallelism, perpendicularity, and circularity are all things that we can mathematically define. A circle, for example, is a purely mathematical object that we can only come very close to manufacturing. Think of it this way, there is no mathematic definition for a shape called “The David” therefore we can’t compare how close the sculptor came to making a perfect “The David” we just see it for the magnificent artwork it is. We can actually quantify how close the makers of these vases came to achieving perfection in limited aspects like I described above. Accuracy down to the micron scale! If you can’t measure it, you can’t make it…
What in the WORLD is a math “quant”?
Quantitative Analyst
@ thank you
This guy knows literally nothing about what he’s talking about. I really really loathe when guys who think they are smart, make claims that are astoundingly ignorant, because they didn’t think to ask anyone who actually works stone. Stone is NOT hard to work. EVERY ancient culture figured it out. In the modern era, we still carve stone the exact same way as the ancients. We rub a harder rock on it. We just motorize our rubbing so it goes faster.
It’s not rocket science. Anyone can figure out what will carve a given rock by noticing if another kind of rock leaves a scratch on it.
Guys like this are astounded by precision. But that just shows he’s never mastered making anything with his own hands. Precision is EASY to achieve with the most rudimentary of tools. You can literally just carve one section of a vase to a curve you like. Take a plaster casting reinforced with horse hair just 1” wide along that profile. And then just painstakingly carve the rest of the vase to the same profile using abrasives. You can even carve the shape of the handles INTO the plaster profile on one side so that you can be sure they will match, and that you are not changing the underlying curve thru the opening. You set the vase on a turntable, or on a pole thru its central hole, so you can mount the reference profile a fixed distance away and carve and turn the vase as you go. You keep working, section by section, little by little until you can slide it neatly under the plaster profile.
Seriously. Stop mystifying things just because you are too ‘sophisticated’ to have ever made anything with your own two hands.
I am a sculptor. Pay me for a half year of my time and I will happily make you a perfect granite urn using nothing that wasn’t available to ancient stone workers. ALL it takes is some skill, and a lot of patience.
SO things he glossed over to try and make it sound implausible. Granite is not all that hard. Dolomite is even softer than most granite. The most common abrasive in the world is quartz in ordinary SAND. Egypt had a ready supply. Need something harder? Garnet is harder than granite and so common that we make sandpaper out of it. Egypt traded with peoples all over the Indian subcontinent, Africa, and the Mediterranean.
Oh, and when they COULD find meteoric iron, they were perfectly capable of fashioning tools out of it. King Tut’s tomb had an iron dagger in it.
The ancients did not carve with just a copper tool. For fine work They coated the copper with pitch and embedded crushed quartz or garnet in it. You can drill perfect holes in granite using a copper or even a wooden rod coated in sand or garnet. You can make a bandsaw by sticking abrasives on a copper blade, or even by soaking linen string in pitch and rolling it in garnet or sand. It takes only a day to carve a nice deep hieroglyph in granite using quartz tipped chisels and butterknife like blades coated in sand.
You claim you can make a "perfect" granite urn using nothing that wasn't available to ancient stone workers. Do it.
@ I make sculpture for money, buddy, not just to demonstrate simple things to even more simple minds. About $80k would cover my time to make such an urn.
Seriously. Why don’t you ask the doofus who made this claim to make one using the lasers he thinks would work before you believe his claim they could be made with modern tools? The difference between me and him is I have a long career of making things with my hands. Things out of stone, steel, bronze, resins, plaster, and other media. I’ve done architecture, fine art, portraiture and a whole host of things neither You nor He can do. Just because HE and You can’t do it does not make it impossible.
Unlike this guy and you, I actually USE modern 7 axis mills, laser cutters and waterjets controlled by computers to make things. And guess what? They would NOT be the most cost effective way to make one of these. Those machines are expensive and renting time on them costs money. I would do it much the way the egyptians did, except I would use motorized cutting tools to make it go faster. I COULD use my fancy laser scanner to measure it for accuracy… But just casting a simple plaster profile on one section of it would be faster, and even more accurate. ( lasers have a hard time scanning and measuring marble and granite, because those stones have translucent crystals in them that can refract light, returning a surface we call ‘orange peel’. )
How do you make a CAR symmetrical? You just MEASURE one side, and COPY the measurements to the other side. How do you get accurate measurements? You hang a string from a frame as a dead vertical plumb line and measure a series of vertical points from that reference line to the surface, then move the string measured distances along the frame its hanging from.
How do you make something radially symmetrical? How do you think egyptians made the millions of ceramic pots in their granaries? They used a potters wheel, which is JUST a vertically oriented lathe. The idea that a HANDLE sticking out on the sides makes it impossible is just a failure of this guy, and you, to THINK it thru. The egyptians did not CUT them on a lathe. They just used the lathe to REFERENCE the work to a template. One made of plaster, or papyrus, or wood.
In an era before internet, before television and radio, before romance novels and jigsaw puzzles, human beings had much longer attention spans. They were patient, and meticulous, and capable. The ONLY thing I need to prove they didn’t need sophisticated technology is to show that ordinary SAND will carve granite and Diorite. YOU could make an urn out of a block of granite using Nothing but sandpaper, it would just take you a few years.
Stop being so gullible to foolish claims made about ancient artifacts. The fact that they EXIST is Proof they could be made with the limited technology of those cultures.
@@ABC-yt1nq Hire me. I’m a sculptor, i carve stone for money, not to demonstrate simple ideas to guys who have never made anything with their hands. I do architecture, fine art portraiture, and product design in stone and the fact that you and the quant can’t do those things does Not mean they are impossible to do.
@@christopherpardell4418 You claim to be able to carve a "perfect" granite urn. That would be an urn where measurements are not out by even a thousandth of an inch. Every curve perfect. Uniform thickness everywhere.
I call bullshit. You can't do it. No one can.
@@ABC-yt1nq Excuse me, did you actually just claim that NOone could make the thing that SOMEONE Obviously DID make? You have never made anything, have you? I have made an 18 foot bronze rooster. A 12 foot stone figure. A 35 foot steel sculptural canopy.
A few things you should know. This Quant did NOT measure the urn. He’s never even touched it. He probably could not have measured it accurately if he could get access to it. So, you are taking the word of someone who has never made anything in stone, who has not actually even touched the thing he is claiming to be impossibly accurate.
You realize this, right? That you believe what THIS doofus says, with zero actual proof, despite the fact that this urn actually EXISTS. Right?
You are willing to believe egyptians had a sophisticated technology of which their culture shows ZERO other evidence, or that, what, Space Aliens did it for them? Rather than just accept that what THIS guy ‘says’ is impossible might not be as hard to pull off as he claims?
One of the earliest precision tools made by man is the lathe/potters wheel. All it is is a means of spinning something, and a tool rest to steady and limit the depth of the tool from the axis of spin. If the tool rest has a profile of a given shape, then you can duplicate a hundred objects, say the stiles on a banister, that will all come out within a thousandth of an inch identical and with perfect radial symmetry. So, seriously, even a primitive hand spun lathe makes radial symmetry to within a thousandth of an inch.
We KNOW the egyptians could turn wood, and clay, and stone, because they made LOTS of things that way. And this Quant is claiming that they had a far more sophisticated technology that they NEVER USED for any of the other things for which such an ability would be useful.?
Do you not get how utterly silly that sounds?
I USE and own 3D scanners. Laser scanners, structured light scanners, and photogrammetric scanners. They CANNOT measure granite to an accuracy of 1 thousandth of an inch. That’s because granite has crystals of quartz and other translucent or transparent stone in its matrix, and those return a false depth. The data you get from scanning granite is lumpy- it’s literally called ‘orange peel’. Plus or minus 20-50 thousandths. And when you use scanners that do not return orange peel, it’s because they are not very high resolution scanners.
I know this because I have actually scanned granite. If I want to measure a granite piece accurately, I literally have to set up a reference frame and measure from the frame to the surface with a physical pointer and gauge. If I want to measure its radial symmetry accurately, I have to set the object on a turntable, so I can turn it on its axis, relative to the surface gauge, to capture just how far out of perfect it is.
And THAT is pretty much how you would have to set up a chunk of granite to CARVE it to an accurately symmetrical radius and curve if you have to carve it with primitive tools. Again, with just ONE slice of profile that will determine the depth you cut all the way around.
So, 1- this guy never measured the Urn in question. He makes an unsupported claim about its accuracy based upon what OTHER people have claimed about it. 2-cutting something on a turntable to match a profile WILL result in radial symmetry. 3-When a culture HAS sophisticated tech, it shows up in many other kinds of uses, and that advance leads to other advances. We know Egyptians did not have glass, because they did not make glass mirrors, windows, lenses, telescopes, or any of the other things that a culture that can make glass does. 4- every early culture that had access to stone figured out how to work it and transport it. Every one. It’s just not as difficult as people who have never even tried to do it imagine it to be.
The fact that no one, not one out of 8 BILLION people on this planet has come forward to reveal exactly how these were created tells you this is thé most important mystery on the planet.
Figure out how these were made (WITH precision) and you’ve figured out all ancient stonework construction.
No one out of the 8 billion people were alive when this was made to tell you how it was made. A stone mason today will tell you how it could be made.
Hand tools, time and a large rock is what's required to make one of these..source ~ me, not a qualified stonemason but an adult with enough knowledge, critical thinking and experience to know this.
@@6DunJuan9 Nonsense. Those crude tools and methods cannot create such precision found by the scans.
@keirankainth lol, then, when that's sorted, check out Barabar caves in India and have your 🧠 🤯!!
Want evidence of sophisticated advanced civilisation? This place takes the 🎂!!
Give Ancient tools and Abrasives to Prisoners that were given a Life Sentence.
If they can make the same Vase to the same Precision, they gain their Freedom.
Solutions will be forthwith.
I.M.H.O.
Gregory/
The Pigeon Meister
... . 🐦⬛
*Or, there will be a lot of Prisoners walking the streets...
@6DunJuan9 then why doesn't a stone Mason step and make one, or maybe make a few thousand? Then perhaps your argument would carry a grain of credibility.
The Vases aren't empty, each one produces unique vibrational frequencies...
They're like LP Records or VHS tapes, each one produces information when they're played or perhaps they produce medicinal cures for specific illnesses when activated
They're too anally precise to be Art, too fragile to be functional & under any circumstance too difficult to produce...
They definitely preform a function
*And the reason they don't have lids is because you can't spill vibrational frequencies
And isn't it slightly odd only one Sabu disk was found with countless Vases?, seems very similar to someones old Record player & large record collection doesn't it?
Everything has its own unique vibrational frequency & it's a powerful technology.
God spoke the Universe into creation & began with Let there be light. (sound is vibration)
I think we need to stop measuring the dam things and start performing experiments
heard about that. heard about speculations that says that the Pyramids was built to amplify those vibrations from those vases... but i do not understand a dime about HOW that would work
@@Kiyoone Because it would not
So many skeptics but no one that will come forward and "just make" a tiny vase using tools attributed to the time period. Because it CANNOT be done, is the simple answer.
Let us start with you providing actual evidence that the vase presented in this video is ancient Egyptian. For all we know it was made in the 21st century
Geopolymers.
Did they find moulds? Collapsing moulds?
No one ever made a vase from a granite boulder. It's the dumbest explanation ever. It's simply geopolymer. It's made the same way as porcelain vases.
So then how did they heat the granite to such a temperature, whatever that might have to be, as to allow for the formation of these vessels? Aside from that, they inherently NOT MADE THE SAME WAY AS PORCELAIN VASES… 😂
@@blueyedevil3479
It would certainly be interesting if they could make something so perfect out of a type of cement. It would still not answer the question of how and why they would make it so perfect.
Archeologists have asked the same questions a long time ago. These presenters are just trying to present mystery as something novel again. In other words its all bs.
They may have asked those questions, but they never answered them satisfactorily.
Given their precision, they were molecularly 3D printed based on AI design. Since the technology is hypothetically possible in the future, they are indicative of time travel.
Trust me, bro
why not the deep past
@@kristopha because the idea of the past being superior to the present makes us feel very insecure about our future
@@rumfordc not me, it’s pretty obvious we were once way more advanced in more areas than we are today .
Wrong. Time travel does not, cannot, will not exist.
If you jumped into a "time machine" to go back in time 2 hours, earth moved through the universe 200,000 or so kilometers. Now when you step out of your "time machine" you are in the void of space, you freeze and die. Should you think the machine will take you and the planet back with you 2 hours then everything on the planet goes back to the same time as you but the sun is now 200,000 kilometers away from our normal orbit, we lose gravitational pull, float off into space, freeze and die..so no, "time travel" is not possible. Jumping or teleporting to a specific spacetime could be possible but many years away.
If this guy is talking about the one that Ben @ UnchartedX has done videos on, then he is sadly mistaken.
He is the head of the team Ben is working with, so it's doubtful he's mistaken anything
hahah, egyptology is dying. tell zahi hawass his lies and corruption are coming to an end.
real scientists and engineers are now involved.
no more hiding things from the world, no more selling off of our history.
Doofus
Its literally his vase bro bro,
softened stone