I actually HAVE listened to them for days - probably several - between Jocko's podcasts while walking the dog and watching so many of JBP's lectures online
“If your not moving forward in your life, there’s a high probability that there’s an action or an idea that you are so in love with that you can’t let go of it.” Wow
Real manhood begins when you are ready to sacrifice yourself, your time, your skills for an ideal, whether this ideal is family, the pursuit of excellence in a domain for the better good of others or sometimes even both. Sacrifice brings with it a level of satisfaction and fulfilment that cannot be compared with anything.
@@IngCataPower Pardon me, but wouldn't the same thing also apply for women? Our sexes may have differences (ex. men being more likely to fight and women being more likely to gather things), but I believe they hold many of the same principles. In this case, both sexes try to use their skills to help other people and provide for society.
The world would be a better place if had more people like Jordan Peterson. He tilts the scale to the greater good of humankind. His words have made me a better man.
Actually no. God provides the means to make this a better place. All peace. All love. All honor. All justice. All integrity. All good comes from God. He is the source. Not man. Men are simply vessels to display the Glory.
@@alison2161 So there can't come anything good from people? Tf you talking about. Also if you truly believed that God created us then you would know that we are small parts of God, therefore capable of having divine duty and abilities, to some extent. By abilities I mean making the world a better place, which Peterson has done and keeps doing all the time.
Many of Jocko's themes are retold by Jordan in a different way. Jocko provides with realistic examples and Jordan goes into the philosophical aspect but both are trying to say the same things.
There are a lot more people, repeating the same idea and neither of them came up with it first. I'd say, people in the same field of expertise tend to repeat the same thoughts(just in their own way). It might be that they came to the same conclusions during their work, or they got it from someone else or from each other, gave it a thought and concluded that it is right. So they spread the idea further. If the idea is confirmed by multiple sources, this is how you know it is legit (or at least has a high probability of being legit). That is why it is generally a good idea not to pick a single book on, say, self improvement, but to read lots of them and by different authors too. It also is good, because our brain works that way, that when it gets the same information over and over again - it will stick.
@@vars280287 I appreciate the fact that Jordan Peterson breaks everything down to a fundamental level that in some sense presents the purest concepts of human experience (as opposed to a vastly different and essentially inaccessible physical reality, not the light of the matter we see or the magnetic resistance between atoms through touch, but of the matter itself, unknown, inevitably distorted by our perceptions). It is advice for life that is derived from the truths he proposes that are well defined and difficult to refute.
"You cannot understand school shooters unless you understand kain and abel." Absolute bullshit. Making the bible into some hugely important centerpiece that all must study. Indoctrinated nonsense. School shooters are miserable. They saw all the happy people who did well and found jobs and wives, and they didn't so they want others to feel suffering the way they do. You can get into the nuances of anti-depressants and ineffective police but at the end of the day I don't need a 2000 year old book to understand.
@@arbitraryalias9825 Good on you then. But you can't deny that there is wisdom in that "2000 year old book"-- the people whose lives were changed because of it; though some, for the worst. That book is powerful, whether you like it or not.
TeeGee Tan that book is powerful, mostly, because so many people read it and convince each other that it should be interpreted literally. I have no problem with reading it for moral lessons, the way we would fairy tales or Plato. But this indoctrination of children into the cult has to stop. If a person believes they can communicate telepathically, or that an entity is watching them and will reward or punish them for their conduct, a psychologist would conclude that such a person is suffering from a serious mental disorder. It is a disgrace that this is forced upon children. People who do this should be ashamed.
3:12 struck with me. In 3 years I went from being in an abusive relationship that made me suicidal to getting a great scholarship at a uni, and now a well-paying internship at a successful company. Also quit smoking pot after a habit of daily consumption with my friend. Meanwhile the friend stayed the same way, smokes an oz or two of pot a week, and dropped out of school - just smokes pot and plays videogames. It's really depressing to see friends too deep in their own shit to even see that they are in it.
Listening to this as I prepare for full time school. Got no family to back me up so I'll have to find a job that will pay my rent and I'll have to be super frugal but if I can graduate it will all be worth it.
That is a very tough route. I say that from experience. If you can find ANYTHING to make your life a little easier, then do it. Maybe find someone to cook you food to save you time, maybe buying a car so you don’t have to rely on transport etc.
That is a very tough route. I say that from experience. If you can find ANYTHING to make your life a little easier, then do it. Maybe find someone to cook you food to save you time, maybe buying a car so you don’t have to rely on transport etc.
Thank you so much Jocko! Helping me change my life and world. You've shown me I can work hard and not be an addict or failure anymore. I'm rebuilding. Can't thank you enough. But I can evolve into a better man.
Someone once told me that all motion is relative: you can move further away by standing still. Sometimes we need to leave behind something dear to us to go forward. Sometimes we didn't even realize we could live without it until we give it up. The right state of mind has (in my experience) given me perspective and gotten me through it all.
I find I have to relearn some of the most important lessons over and over. They become forgotten when I guess they aren't needed as much and then I find myself rediscovering them. A lot of people never learn that they can live without a lot of things they think are necessary. It's good to lose it all at least once in your life.
Video games are a good example of a habit that can hold you back, and many are unwilling to sacrifice. I know when I spend hours playing games, I am giving up hours where I could be studying. It’s up to me to make the decision to give up what I want to do for what I should do
It’s truly about balance. You can study and play video games, you need joy AND productivity in your life! Finding a monitizable passion can increase the instances of these two overlapping, which is great. So if you REALLY hate studying I suggest you think seriously about what and why you are studying. It shouldn’t be too unbearable. Good luck :)
This, among other things that Dr. Peterson talks about can be pretty brutal to hear but also helpful when you need to understand them. Even as an atheist who turned away from religion a long time ago, I like the way he uses biblical/religious references and various other stories to illustrate points and make them more relatable
i was one second into the video and i already learned something such great intelligence...imagine if high school had a class with this type of curriculum
Man, I was blessed today 20 years later my old Marine Unit some guys found me on facebook. Then I found 20 more, we shared numerous moments. It was motivating. I feel like I need to give up something I love to do better. Now dont give me wrong im no slack I work two jobs. But I have this bad habit of playing Video games and getting fat. From now on I will use my time wisely and give up this past time. I am buying a plane ticket to go home to see numerous family, The fact that I would even consider partying and whoremongering over seeing family is beyond me. I will. Thanks Jocko and JP. You guys are Unique men
From how I've always understood it, I've always seen sacrifice to mean giving up something you want in order for others to get what they want. Whether they want it in the short term or long term never seems like it matters, all that seems to matter when it comes to sacrifice is that the desires of others outweigh your own. Kinda why I'm trying to break myself away from the concept entirely. I don't have the strength to live through the shit that comes with living selflessly in a selfish world. As Slade Wilson once said: "Everyone in this life is in it for themselves".
Thing is you don't know what others have sacrificed, what others have gone through. It's best to keep your argument to what you've sacrificed, what you've given up.
Whether this man realizes it or not.. he is doing the work of Abel. The way I see it, he is working to shepherd the youth in the right direction. What ever sacrifices he gave up to make this happen, hopefully the higher power ( whatever you address it as) favors him and rewards him for his effort.
His sacrifices are second rate!!! Im 22 and I see this all the time in my pick up truck with grown older men that are just jealous and know they did something wrong growing up.
Taking the responsibility of failure onto yourself is for sure a good attitude when done correctly. But for every 1 human that does that I can imagine tens or even hundreds more perpetually blaming themselves every time the desired outcome doesn't happen for them. A clarification between blame and responsibility is essential and perhaps a new word needs to be created.
Undoubtedly the word responsibility spans every emotions involved as far as the meaning overall which encompasses things like blame, shame, pride and character. The word has a depth to it that could be considered somewhat vague although it is almost the vagueness that sparks the creativity to necessarily attempt what JBP would most likely characterize as growth. Food for thought as were all used to when watching the life lessons that we’re so fortunately privy to witness m.
Ah, yes, I love something more than my ideal future self or truth - I love my lies. Above Dr. Peterson says the exact same thing that I realized earlier this evening: I have fallen in love with my bitter lies about reality, myself, my assumed worthlessness as a human being, other people's worthlessness... When I hold tightly on these claims, I don't have to struggle. The price is living in hell, but I have become used to it. I recognize I'm in a deep pit but I don't know if I have the will to crawl up from here. My lies are so seducing, so comforting, promising me "liberating" nihilism and laziness and a permission to avoid my responsibilities. I guess my pit is not deep enough though. Otherwise I would have the courage and strength to change my life if I wanted to, right? I wish I had someone wise to talk to. There is nobody in my family or circle of acquaintances. I feel so lost and alone. Luckily I have Peterson's videos.
Hey man if you ever need someone to talk to I’m here. I know you mentioned you feel like you have no one else to talk to and you feel completely alone. Total isolation can make a human experience feelings of delusion and madness. Just by acknowledging your lies and being aware of the alternative to nihilism, that is to live a life of purpose and meaning, you are on the right path and you are clearly intelligent given your capacity for such self awareness. If you ever need someone to talk to you can reach out to me on here. Just getting your thoughts out of your own head and sharing them with someone else can greatly help refocus your perspective in a healthy way.
@@dhub02 Hi there, and thanks for your reply. It's been months and months since you answered me above and I don't know if "sorry" is enough for acknowledging your effort and good will towards me but... I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say. Talking with someone would be nice. I end up watching the same Peterson's lectures as if there is something inside me that knows his advice would be the right way to proceed but then I always lack the courage (or genuine will) to change things. So, I'm still experiencing the same problems now than 8-9 months ago. How are you today?
Roosa Meri Hey there, sorry it’s been awhile since I checked my messages on here. I am well. You mentioned you’re still dealing with the same struggles as you were back when you first commented 8-9 months ago. I obviously don’t know your circumstances, and I’m just a random guy on the internet, but I would ask you how is your health in general? Are you sleeping enough on a regular basis? Do you workout/exercise in some fashion regularly? Do you spend time outside in nature often? Do you have anything in your life that you look forward to doing when you wake up each day? I would start there if that’s something you feel you can improve upon. That can have an extreme impact on the way you see the world and experience life on a day to day basis in a positive way.
I believe cains sacrifice wasn't much of a sacrifice, even if he thought he worked harder for it. Abels sacrifice was more of a real sacrifice in that it produced a sweet savour of smell, as the fat of the cattle burned on the alter this pleased God more. I like how this guy expounds on the scripture he definitely hit on something good I took something from this pod cast that I didn't see before. But look into the scripture yourself to find the original text.
I think it has something to do with the symbolic power of blood in Christianity. Blood sacrifices always seem to have more weight, as if you're symbolically sacrificing of your own flesh. Or at least that's what I always got from Church when I was younger.
The teaching of Cain and Abel is a little different in my opinion. In Leviticus, it’s mentioned that the first fruits were to be offered to the priests. When you read the Cain and Abel story, Abel did exactly that by giving fat portions from his first flock. Where as Cain merely gave some of his harvest and not the most valued portions. So the moral really is, if you are going to make half hearted sacrifices in order to reap reward, don’t blame anyone or anything but yourself. If you do what is right you will be accepted (rewarded). But if not, sin lies at the door and desires to have you. Cain went and killed his brother instead of realigning what sacrifices he should have done, knowing full well his sacrifice was nowhere near the value of his brother. Difference being it’s not about doing the wrong thing, it’s more so not applying full commitment to the right thing. Don’t be lukewarm, I’ll spit you out of my mouth.
Jordan Peterson is f****** brilliant and Jocko willink is a force of f****** mythic proportion and the fact that he validates Jordan and that Jordan obviously respects and acknowledges the magnitude of Jocko is just so f****** pleasing to me.
What Jordan said at the end makes me think that the biggest sacrifice humankind can make is taking responsibility for the world we exist in and not just for ourselves.
I'm not sure that sacrifice and discipline are exactly the same thing, though I believe they are very closely related. I think the difference may occur when the thing given up does not actually have value. Sure, we may want it, but it may not have value or be good for us in any way. I know this is a fine line, up for debate, and leaves plenty of examples where sacrifice and discipline are "the same thing," but I don't think they always are.
The politicians in this country need a week with Jocko, Lief & Jordan. Then at the end those three get to decide if the politician can stay in office or not.
This is like the commandment “You shall not use the lords name in vein”. Even for atheists this is still important BECAUSE that’s like cursing fate, and there is no utility in that.
I tried to summarize what he said but to no avail. The best definition for sacrifice I could come up after listening to this video is an investment in the future, but this definition couldn’t encapsulate the situation of Cain, because if the meaning of sacrifice were what I mentioned, Cain wouldn’t have encountered God’s rejection. I am open to different people’s interpretations of this segment of the podcast and of the definition of sacrifice.
Excellent interviewer, let the guest talk without interruption. Sounds so simple but you would be surprised at the amount of interviewer that get it wrong.
It seems to me the difference between the sacrifices of Cain and Abel wasn't left out of the text, "3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering-fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast." - Gen 4:3-5 Cain brought "some of the fruits of the soil" Abel brought "fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock" It wasn't about fruits and vegetables vs animal/blood sacrifice...it was one just grabbed a few things mindlessly and tossed it out there and the other (Abel) gave his best...it wasn't really much of a sacrifice for Cain but it was for Abel. We can live our lives like that - if this is the paradigmatic story we want to use to understand sacrifice - if someone/someone is really worth sacrificing for - don't just toss something together...be intentional and show honor by giving your best.
I always opined that sacrifice was linked to gods and mainly goddesses linked to fertility. I mean we see a lot of that in India. Which may be in accordance to what Jordan said as he says bargaining with the future, and for humanity and all other creatures so as to say the main goal of future is reproduction
The reason why Abel's sacrifice was acceptable to God is that the animal was God's own creation, whereas the grain and fruit of Cain's was the fruits of his own works. Thus the lamb was more valuable and showed proper humility. Also, this instance is a prophecy of Christ being sacrificed for our sins.
Oh wow. I totally see that now. That is true humility accepting Gods way of doing it rather than your own. Hmmmm. Far out that is so simple and so extremely difficult at the same time
"give up something of value now to improve the future"...how is that a sacrifice when the end game is a better reward???...all this would be, is a trade
5:21 he sais "produced something creative as a result". I don't really understand that part. It doesn't sound harmfull at all. What would be a more threatening way to say that? Like "had it's way with you and changed the course of your life for the worse".
Ләззат Андас creative in this context is meant to articulate that it was a willful act of intent. Cain was not a victim, he chose his path. He invited sin into his heart and created or spawned the spirit of vengeance that led him to murder his brother.
Sacrificing philosophically means changing not only the gas inside of a car but also changing the actual oil within the engine every time one starts the car every time. Example: “Fullmetal Alchemist”(Japanese Animated TV series) uses the philosophy of “equivalent exchange”(something of equal value must be offered in order to get 50% of nothing back in return in exchange in totality in result). Later on when true love was presented all the way at the end, the rule was changed towards an unconditional one, “How about I give you 100% of me in exchange for everything of you”, therefore love is the only purest thing on earth that is currently being poisoned due to sacrificing also being in the philosophy behind greed never disciplined as well as vigilantly minded mentally and materialism. Sacrificing used to have meant before during the caveman eras where the man would gather the food and the woman would remain home using cotton or sheep or animal hide from being preserved towards being useful for clothes, tools, dried fruit and animal protein, milk and eggs(milk probably is not vegan due towards coming from a cow’s utter that on average is slaughtered for it’s meat as well as it’s milk and potential from milk for cheese, forgive me if one is reading this and is indian, and as a solution towards avoiding using cow; why not use goats due towards goats representing Balphomet the devil towards acquiring meat, tools and instruments(cups,horns,makeshift knife spears, and arts and crafts), milk and cheese currency trade and trade items with mandatory holy by hand or by holy water like whenever making Jesus Christ wooden or wax figures blessings that hopefully have holy blessings made before making them a church or gatherings of existential faithhood or faith display after killing the or that goat), morbid external factors.
So sacrifice is a fear based logic...that makes a mockery of all sacrifices we do that we think is good!!! Love in my philosophy is a wicked thing..love is in my term giving on the condition you get something back, love then is only predicated on fulfilling your self interest....
I know it's been mentioned before, but the fact that Jocko never interrupts his guests is exceptional especially when that guest is Mr. JP.
I was waiting for JP to pause to give Jocko a chance to speak... 8 minutes and it never happened
Pin point. Yep, this guy is execptional.
Jocko interrupts people ALL THE TIME lmao
@J Hetz expand on that please.
100%
I legitimately could listen to Jocko and Jordan for days
I actually HAVE listened to them for days - probably several - between Jocko's podcasts while walking the dog and watching so many of JBP's lectures online
I listen to them every day. Helps to keep me on the right track.
Don't just listen, DO~Joko willink.
Go to work, listen in your free time
Tbh i learned much more from those 2 than i did from university.
“If your not moving forward in your life, there’s a high probability that there’s an action or an idea that you are so in love with that you can’t let go of it.” Wow
What does moving forward mean? Is it individually defined? As of what is the role of sacrifice and what is it's connection to the ideal?
Real manhood begins when you are ready to sacrifice yourself, your time, your skills for an ideal, whether this ideal is family, the pursuit of excellence in a domain for the better good of others or sometimes even both. Sacrifice brings with it a level of satisfaction and fulfilment that cannot be compared with anything.
Agree. The desire to sacrifice themselves is engrained in all men. It's the selfless giving that is needed so much in our times.
Very true
agreed, you cant be a man without it.
@@IngCataPower Pardon me, but wouldn't the same thing also apply for women? Our sexes may have differences (ex. men being more likely to fight and women being more likely to gather things), but I believe they hold many of the same principles. In this case, both sexes try to use their skills to help other people and provide for society.
Summary:
Cain: "You've turned life against me!"
God: "You have done that yourself."
Aye the world needs to take heed.
George Lucas Majored in psychology, minored in film. Thats why those stories and lines resonate with us so
God has the high ground
If you can find the movie The Thorn birds .. ..it is basically like your comment
Cain and Abel story is extremely contemporary.
These two together is literally incredible. An intellectual and the biggest realist around.
The world would be a better place if had more people like Jordan
Peterson. He tilts the scale to the greater good of humankind. His words
have made me a better man.
Actually no. God provides the means to make this a better place. All peace. All love. All honor. All justice. All integrity. All good comes from God. He is the source. Not man. Men are simply vessels to display the Glory.
@@alison2161 So there can't come anything good from people? Tf you talking about. Also if you truly believed that God created us then you would know that we are small parts of God, therefore capable of having divine duty and abilities, to some extent. By abilities I mean making the world a better place, which Peterson has done and keeps doing all the time.
Why dont you become one of those people, I am. Be the beacon of light in this world, a shining example of clear thinking and clean living.
MLG Frog that’s what she’s saying. What you said is exactly the same just phrased differently
@@Tommy2shoe811 Not really.
Final line "You take the responsibility of failure upon yourself", oh you mean like extreme ownership?
Many of Jocko's themes are retold by Jordan in a different way. Jocko provides with realistic examples and Jordan goes into the philosophical aspect but both are trying to say the same things.
There are a lot more people, repeating the same idea and neither of them came up with it first. I'd say, people in the same field of expertise tend to repeat the same thoughts(just in their own way). It might be that they came to the same conclusions during their work, or they got it from someone else or from each other, gave it a thought and concluded that it is right. So they spread the idea further. If the idea is confirmed by multiple sources, this is how you know it is legit (or at least has a high probability of being legit). That is why it is generally a good idea not to pick a single book on, say, self improvement, but to read lots of them and by different authors too. It also is good, because our brain works that way, that when it gets the same information over and over again - it will stick.
@@vars280287 I appreciate the fact that Jordan Peterson breaks everything down to a fundamental level that in some sense presents the purest concepts of human experience (as opposed to a vastly different and essentially inaccessible physical reality, not the light of the matter we see or the magnetic resistance between atoms through touch, but of the matter itself, unknown, inevitably distorted by our perceptions). It is advice for life that is derived from the truths he proposes that are well defined and difficult to refute.
The ones who disliked this video have very, very unclean rooms. Sort yourselves out, BUCKOS.
Pure pieces of shit
Clean your room and get after it
"You cannot understand school shooters unless you understand kain and abel." Absolute bullshit. Making the bible into some hugely important centerpiece that all must study. Indoctrinated nonsense. School shooters are miserable. They saw all the happy people who did well and found jobs and wives, and they didn't so they want others to feel suffering the way they do. You can get into the nuances of anti-depressants and ineffective police but at the end of the day I don't need a 2000 year old book to understand.
@@arbitraryalias9825 Good on you then.
But you can't deny that there is wisdom in that "2000 year old book"-- the people whose lives were changed because of it; though some, for the worst.
That book is powerful, whether you like it or not.
TeeGee Tan that book is powerful, mostly, because so many people read it and convince each other that it should be interpreted literally. I have no problem with reading it for moral lessons, the way we would fairy tales or Plato. But this indoctrination of children into the cult has to stop. If a person believes they can communicate telepathically, or that an entity is watching them and will reward or punish them for their conduct, a psychologist would conclude that such a person is suffering from a serious mental disorder. It is a disgrace that this is forced upon children. People who do this should be ashamed.
My definition of sacrifice = Giving up short term pleasures for the long term sustainability
3:12 struck with me.
In 3 years I went from being in an abusive relationship that made me suicidal to getting a great scholarship at a uni, and now a well-paying internship at a successful company. Also quit smoking pot after a habit of daily consumption with my friend.
Meanwhile the friend stayed the same way, smokes an oz or two of pot a week, and dropped out of school - just smokes pot and plays videogames.
It's really depressing to see friends too deep in their own shit to even see that they are in it.
Congrats u can piss farther. Hate to break it to u but everyone dies at the end.
@@joedog3977 u must be fun at parties
The depressing part is when you realize you can't be friends anymore.
@@joedog3977 yes at the end but you can also do some stuff in the middle
nhunka44 absolutely nothing wrong with pot. If you use it as a drug. It becomes a drug. Such as alcohol, sex etc.
Every single word he said here made sense to me. His talks are always intellectually stimulating. Love that!
Listening to this as I prepare for full time school. Got no family to back me up so I'll have to find a job that will pay my rent and I'll have to be super frugal but if I can graduate it will all be worth it.
How’s your plan going? Are you in school?
That is a very tough route. I say that from experience. If you can find ANYTHING to make your life a little easier, then do it. Maybe find someone to cook you food to save you time, maybe buying a car so you don’t have to rely on transport etc.
That is a very tough route. I say that from experience. If you can find ANYTHING to make your life a little easier, then do it. Maybe find someone to cook you food to save you time, maybe buying a car so you don’t have to rely on transport etc.
Thank you so much Jocko!
Helping me change my life and world. You've shown me I can work hard and not be an addict or failure anymore. I'm rebuilding.
Can't thank you enough. But I can evolve into a better man.
Someone once told me that all motion is relative: you can move further away by standing still. Sometimes we need to leave behind something dear to us to go forward. Sometimes we didn't even realize we could live without it until we give it up. The right state of mind has (in my experience) given me perspective and gotten me through it all.
I find I have to relearn some of the most important lessons over and over. They become forgotten when I guess they aren't needed as much and then I find myself rediscovering them. A lot of people never learn that they can live without a lot of things they think are necessary. It's good to lose it all at least once in your life.
That someone is a very wise person. I'm saving this quote, thank him/her for me.
Video games are a good example of a habit that can hold you back, and many are unwilling to sacrifice.
I know when I spend hours playing games, I am giving up hours where I could be studying. It’s up to me to make the decision to give up what I want to do for what I should do
Ethan yeah but games are great too, they can improve your decision making. Just need balance.
It’s truly about balance. You can study and play video games, you need joy AND productivity in your life! Finding a monitizable passion can increase the instances of these two overlapping, which is great. So if you REALLY hate studying I suggest you think seriously about what and why you are studying. It shouldn’t be too unbearable. Good luck :)
Drugs too
Hi good point Ethan in college I choose not to sleep! But worked played video games etc
Social media as well
I need to learn to listen like Jocko and Jordan.. Brilliant men.
Damn....this was prime Dr. JBP.
I wonder if we'll ever see this version of him again.
This, among other things that Dr. Peterson talks about can be pretty brutal to hear but also helpful when you need to understand them. Even as an atheist who turned away from religion a long time ago, I like the way he uses biblical/religious references and various other stories to illustrate points and make them more relatable
Preach that responsibility gospel, brother
Wow, reality is so big and deep! Spirituality is the best way to comprenhend it.
Echo found out that discipline equaled freedom from Jocko roasting him about making videos on the podcast lol. You're killin it man.
This entire podcast is gold. It should be mandatory for all humans.
ive never seen jocko just listen for so long, Petersons thoughts are provocative
I love how he transfers the Jungian knowledge to average people!
I LOVE IT WHEN THESE TO GET TOGETHER!
i was one second into the video and i already learned something such great intelligence...imagine if high school had a class with this type of curriculum
I would pay huge amounts of money to have Mr. Peterson as a councillor/life coach..
absolutely brilliant
Man, I was blessed today 20 years later my old Marine Unit some guys found me on facebook. Then I found 20 more, we shared numerous moments. It was motivating. I feel like I need to give up something I love to do better. Now dont give me wrong im no slack I work two jobs. But I have this bad habit of playing Video games and getting fat. From now on I will use my time wisely and give up this past time. I am buying a plane ticket to go home to see numerous family, The fact that I would even consider partying and whoremongering over seeing family is beyond me. I will. Thanks Jocko and JP. You guys are Unique men
Keeping close to your tribe is important, I keep in touch with my ols Army buddies, it's good for your soul.
I like the smaller videos. It's hard to stay tuned in for 3 hours of youtube, no matter how good the content.
GATTac Use UA-cam red and you can listen to podcasts while you do other shit.
makes easier to capture some details.
thanks for the tip!
Discipline equals freedom.
Agreed 100%
PURE. WISDOM.
Loved this
Jp dropping heavy redpills again
I learn more about the world from channel like this then in university. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
From how I've always understood it, I've always seen sacrifice to mean giving up something you want in order for others to get what they want. Whether they want it in the short term or long term never seems like it matters, all that seems to matter when it comes to sacrifice is that the desires of others outweigh your own.
Kinda why I'm trying to break myself away from the concept entirely. I don't have the strength to live through the shit that comes with living selflessly in a selfish world. As Slade Wilson once said: "Everyone in this life is in it for themselves".
Jocko & Dr. Peterson in the same room!? WOW.
real deep.
Goood Morning!☀️Thank you so much!
Thing is you don't know what others have sacrificed, what others have gone through. It's best to keep your argument to what you've sacrificed, what you've given up.
"So you make the future better"
Woah, that was eloquently spoken.
I am highly educated and i can tell you these two are excellent
Thank you
Level 9 genius.
Whether this man realizes it or not.. he is doing the work of Abel. The way I see it, he is working to shepherd the youth in the right direction. What ever sacrifices he gave up to make this happen, hopefully the higher power ( whatever you address it as) favors him and rewards him for his effort.
Beautiful
His sacrifices are second rate!!!
Im 22 and I see this all the time in my pick up truck with grown older men that are just jealous and know they did something wrong growing up.
Someone once told me he sounds like Kermit the frog and now every time he speaks I think of Kermit the Wise 😂
The kings of personal accountability
all about the intention in your heart.
Taking the responsibility of failure onto yourself is for sure a good attitude when done correctly. But for every 1 human that does that I can imagine tens or even hundreds more perpetually blaming themselves every time the desired outcome doesn't happen for them.
A clarification between blame and responsibility is essential and perhaps a new word needs to be created.
Undoubtedly the word responsibility spans every emotions involved as far as the meaning overall which encompasses things like blame, shame, pride and character. The word has a depth to it that could be considered somewhat vague although it is almost the vagueness that sparks the creativity to necessarily attempt what JBP would most likely characterize as growth. Food for thought as were all used to when watching the life lessons that we’re so fortunately privy to witness m.
2 assets to humanity...U 2 E.C.
Jordan Peterson is my therapy.
How do you detect habits that prevent you from progressing?
Ah, yes, I love something more than my ideal future self or truth - I love my lies. Above Dr. Peterson says the exact same thing that I realized earlier this evening: I have fallen in love with my bitter lies about reality, myself, my assumed worthlessness as a human being, other people's worthlessness... When I hold tightly on these claims, I don't have to struggle. The price is living in hell, but I have become used to it.
I recognize I'm in a deep pit but I don't know if I have the will to crawl up from here. My lies are so seducing, so comforting, promising me "liberating" nihilism and laziness and a permission to avoid my responsibilities.
I guess my pit is not deep enough though. Otherwise I would have the courage and strength to change my life if I wanted to, right?
I wish I had someone wise to talk to. There is nobody in my family or circle of acquaintances. I feel so lost and alone. Luckily I have Peterson's videos.
Hey man if you ever need someone to talk to I’m here. I know you mentioned you feel like you have no one else to talk to and you feel completely alone. Total isolation can make a human experience feelings of delusion and madness. Just by acknowledging your lies and being aware of the alternative to nihilism, that is to live a life of purpose and meaning, you are on the right path and you are clearly intelligent given your capacity for such self awareness. If you ever need someone to talk to you can reach out to me on here. Just getting your thoughts out of your own head and sharing them with someone else can greatly help refocus your perspective in a healthy way.
@@dhub02 Hi there, and thanks for your reply. It's been months and months since you answered me above and I don't know if "sorry" is enough for acknowledging your effort and good will towards me but... I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say. Talking with someone would be nice. I end up watching the same Peterson's lectures as if there is something inside me that knows his advice would be the right way to proceed but then I always lack the courage (or genuine will) to change things. So, I'm still experiencing the same problems now than 8-9 months ago. How are you today?
Roosa Meri Hey there, sorry it’s been awhile since I checked my messages on here. I am well. You mentioned you’re still dealing with the same struggles as you were back when you first commented 8-9 months ago. I obviously don’t know your circumstances, and I’m just a random guy on the internet, but I would ask you how is your health in general? Are you sleeping enough on a regular basis? Do you workout/exercise in some fashion regularly? Do you spend time outside in nature often? Do you have anything in your life that you look forward to doing when you wake up each day? I would start there if that’s something you feel you can improve upon. That can have an extreme impact on the way you see the world and experience life on a day to day basis in a positive way.
I like how Jocko just let Dr Peterson go. Thats the way to host a podcast
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Why there's no subtitles in this video
Please start the JockoJordan podcast already 😂
I believe cains sacrifice wasn't much of a sacrifice, even if he thought he worked harder for it. Abels sacrifice was more of a real sacrifice in that it produced a sweet savour of smell, as the fat of the cattle burned on the alter this pleased God more. I like how this guy expounds on the scripture he definitely hit on something good I took something from this pod cast that I didn't see before. But look into the scripture yourself to find the original text.
I think it has something to do with the symbolic power of blood in Christianity. Blood sacrifices always seem to have more weight, as if you're symbolically sacrificing of your own flesh. Or at least that's what I always got from Church when I was younger.
The teaching of Cain and Abel is a little different in my opinion. In Leviticus, it’s mentioned that the first fruits were to be offered to the priests. When you read the Cain and Abel story, Abel did exactly that by giving fat portions from his first flock. Where as Cain merely gave some of his harvest and not the most valued portions. So the moral really is, if you are going to make half hearted sacrifices in order to reap reward, don’t blame anyone or anything but yourself. If you do what is right you will be accepted (rewarded). But if not, sin lies at the door and desires to have you. Cain went and killed his brother instead of realigning what sacrifices he should have done, knowing full well his sacrifice was nowhere near the value of his brother. Difference being it’s not about doing the wrong thing, it’s more so not applying full commitment to the right thing. Don’t be lukewarm, I’ll spit you out of my mouth.
Jordan Peterson is f****** brilliant and Jocko willink is a force of f****** mythic proportion and the fact that he validates Jordan and that Jordan obviously respects and acknowledges the magnitude of Jocko is just so f****** pleasing to me.
What Jordan said at the end makes me think that the biggest sacrifice humankind can make is taking responsibility for the world we exist in and not just for ourselves.
I'm not sure that sacrifice and discipline are exactly the same thing, though I believe they are very closely related.
I think the difference may occur when the thing given up does not actually have value. Sure, we may want it, but it may not have value or be good for us in any way. I know this is a fine line, up for debate, and leaves plenty of examples where sacrifice and discipline are "the same thing," but I don't think they always are.
Yeeeessss!!!!
Deep.
In the book of jasher it says that cain brought the worst of his crop and abel brought the best of his animals to be sacrificed.
The politicians in this country need a week with Jocko, Lief & Jordan. Then at the end those three get to decide if the politician can stay in office or not.
without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.
relentless logic
The people who disliked this video are employees of Nike
In a few hundred years Jocko will be touted as a messiah. Facts.
Wow.
Jocko? No, listen here Bucko!
Ive never heard jocko so quiet
Put subtitles please
This is like the commandment “You shall not use the lords name in vein”. Even for atheists this is still important BECAUSE that’s like cursing fate, and there is no utility in that.
Ahh damn thought it said “what Scarface means?” ... say hello to my little fwiend
I tried to summarize what he said but to no avail. The best definition for sacrifice I could come up after listening to this video is an investment in the future, but this definition couldn’t encapsulate the situation of Cain, because if the meaning of sacrifice were what I mentioned, Cain wouldn’t have encountered God’s rejection.
I am open to different people’s interpretations of this segment of the podcast and of the definition of sacrifice.
Excellent interviewer, let the guest talk without interruption. Sounds so simple but you would be surprised at the amount of interviewer that get it wrong.
Summary: "clean your damn room bucko"
Who is the other person besides Nietzsche that he mentions at 0:15?
@Heidi Walter thank you
Wow....
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7.24 For me
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What does it mean if I am crying my eyes out right now?
It means your parents chose the correct name for you.
@@tylerfresina8547 lmaooooo
@@tylerfresina8547 hahahahahahha
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I love how a Dr is making reference to God
It seems to me the difference between the sacrifices of Cain and Abel wasn't left out of the text,
"3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering-fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast." - Gen 4:3-5
Cain brought "some of the fruits of the soil"
Abel brought "fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock"
It wasn't about fruits and vegetables vs animal/blood sacrifice...it was one just grabbed a few things mindlessly and tossed it out there and the other (Abel) gave his best...it wasn't really much of a sacrifice for Cain but it was for Abel.
We can live our lives like that - if this is the paradigmatic story we want to use to understand sacrifice - if someone/someone is really worth sacrificing for - don't just toss something together...be intentional and show honor by giving your best.
I always opined that sacrifice was linked to gods and mainly goddesses linked to fertility. I mean we see a lot of that in India.
Which may be in accordance to what Jordan said as he says bargaining with the future, and for humanity and all other creatures so as to say the main goal of future is reproduction
cain gave from cursed ground,
Some species of deer can delay the development of an embryo... Say the approach of spring, to maxims her fetuses survival.
My point being... Humans are not the wise ones of planet earth.
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The reason why Abel's sacrifice was acceptable to God is that the animal was God's own creation, whereas the grain and fruit of Cain's was the fruits of his own works. Thus the lamb was more valuable and showed proper humility. Also, this instance is a prophecy of Christ being sacrificed for our sins.
Oh wow. I totally see that now.
That is true humility accepting Gods way of doing it rather than your own. Hmmmm. Far out that is so simple and so extremely difficult at the same time
"give up something of value now to improve the future"...how is that a sacrifice when the end game is a better reward???...all this would be, is a trade
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5:21 he sais "produced something creative as a result". I don't really understand that part. It doesn't sound harmfull at all. What would be a more threatening way to say that? Like "had it's way with you and changed the course of your life for the worse".
Ләззат Андас creative in this context is meant to articulate that it was a willful act of intent. Cain was not a victim, he chose his path. He invited sin into his heart and created or spawned the spirit of vengeance that led him to murder his brother.
68 people have some very unclean rooms and the +1 is the opportunist
Sacrificing philosophically means changing not only the gas inside of a car but also changing the actual oil within the engine every time one starts the car every time. Example: “Fullmetal Alchemist”(Japanese Animated TV series) uses the philosophy of “equivalent exchange”(something of equal value must be offered in order to get 50% of nothing back in return in exchange in totality in result). Later on when true love was presented all the way at the end, the rule was changed towards an unconditional one, “How about I give you 100% of me in exchange for everything of you”, therefore love is the only purest thing on earth that is currently being poisoned due to sacrificing also being in the philosophy behind greed never disciplined as well as vigilantly minded mentally and materialism.
Sacrificing used to have meant before during the caveman eras where the man would gather the food and the woman would remain home using cotton or sheep or animal hide from being preserved towards being useful for clothes, tools, dried fruit and animal protein, milk and eggs(milk probably is not vegan due towards coming from a cow’s utter that on average is slaughtered for it’s meat as well as it’s milk and potential from milk for cheese, forgive me if one is reading this and is indian, and as a solution towards avoiding using cow; why not use goats due towards goats representing Balphomet the devil towards acquiring meat, tools and instruments(cups,horns,makeshift knife spears, and arts and crafts), milk and cheese currency trade and trade items with mandatory holy by hand or by holy water like whenever making Jesus Christ wooden or wax figures blessings that hopefully have holy blessings made before making them a church or gatherings of existential faithhood or faith display after killing the or that goat), morbid external factors.
Cain got the biggest red pill
So sacrifice is a fear based logic...that makes a mockery of all sacrifices we do that we think is good!!! Love in my philosophy is a wicked thing..love is in my term giving on the condition you get something back, love then is only predicated on fulfilling your self interest....