How To Do Treatment For Scrupulosity
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Scrupulosity is a beast but did you know there is REAL treatment. Scrupulosity can make people believe that they are bad people, that they are sinning, that are never good enough. Let's go through the only evidence-based treatment for the subset of OCD; Scrupulosity. ⠀
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👉What Scrupulosity looks like⠀
👉Obsessions in Scrupulosity⠀
👉Compulsions in Scrupulosity⠀
👉How to do treatment for Scrupulosity⠀
👉How to use Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP) for Scrupulosity ⠀
👉Examples of what exposures look like for Scrupulosity⠀
👉Why anxiety drops when using Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP)⠀
👉How family members can help with your scrupulosity⠀
👉An example of an exposure hierarchy for scrupulosity⠀
👉Medications for scrupulosity
Have you tried the treatment for Scrupulosity? What's worked for you and not worked for you? 😃
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Hey is appreciate your videos. I have quite a few or the things you have described as scrupulosity. I have other themes but this one is a major one. I was wondering what you thought about the going to clergy about different issues. I was doing that a lot about one certain issue and I was thinking that it might have been reassurance and part of my ocd. Does that sound like something that happens with scrupulosity?
@@jokerski3250 Yep. It's a pretty big compulsion for most. It doesn't mean you cannot ever go to your clergy member, but you have to think about your motivation. Do I go because I want to relieve anxiety?
@@ocdandanxiety Yes! My OCD has many faces and takes on just about anything that I find to be important but understanding how my scrupulosity has been affecting my spiritual life is becoming more and more clear with the help of videos like this. I have started to realize that I try and remove all the uncertainty and anxiety around my spiritual life is my OCD at work. It can be captivating in a very negative way. Especially if you dont even know whats really going on. Videos like these have helped my recovery so much. Learning to live with uncertainty and treating anxiety as irrelevant is what has helped me the most. Thanks again.
@@jokerski3250 I agree it took over everything I thought was important in the conscious memory atleast
Something that’s helps me, is knowing if I was supposed to be perfect there would be no need for a Christ. He is here because we will make mistakes and fail.
That's a very good point!
Thank you you don’t realize how much this helps...I messed up big time and I’m trying to repent . God Bless
Same
Amen!
Amen, our heavenly father is so Good.
I struggle with this and it caused a mental breakdown. It plagues me everyday and feels like an unbreakable cycle. I just found out today that it has a name and I feel so relieved, thank you so much.
Right??? It’s so relieving to have knowledge. ERP helped me be bunches with unwanted thoughts that my OCD was eventually in remission. it’s kinda coming back but knowing what to do, I’m a lot more hopeful. Praise God and bless you, friend
i’m in the same boat as you. a vicious cycle that makes you feel trapped
I have religious scrupulosity. I’m thankful that it has a name and that I’m not alone and can get support and learn from others.
@@shagadad1 For sure. We are all in this together.
I've got this too
It's really hard for me, but I keep reminding myself that God will never leave me and I can overcome this problem. I watched sermons and read the bible verses to overcome this ocd. I will never give up praying to God and I can do this.
Amen! God will help us ❤️ he has helped me A LOT, I’M SO MUCH BETTER! He is so great ❤️ God listens prayer, of course he does. Amen! And thank God I haven’t go to therapy and I haven’t use medicine (because I can’t)
@@karly1226 gonna pray for you 🙏🏽💕
How do you know god exists?
@Mike first of all you don't know anything about me and what i have been through so don't judge me, second of all if you knew anything about OCD you should understand that by any means you must stay uncertain for example: does god exist? maybe, maybe not. God verses or the bible or the God himself won't help you you must help yourself. So next time when you gonna comment think before typing it doesn't hurt.
@Mike what does this has to do with what i asked ?
I have been a Christian for about 10 years now. Several years ago I started dealing with blasphemous thoughts of different kinds towards Jesus/God/The Holy Spirit. I really struggled with thinking I had committed the unforgivable sin and that I was now unsaved and not worthy of Gods love or forgiveness. I thought for sure I was the only person who had these types of thoughts. I also deal with the type of thoughts that you mentioned about stealing the pen or lying about time.. I also deal with medical anxiety on top of all this and I feel like I'm in torment daily. I pray and pray to be forgiveness. I look for my assurance of salvation from God and because I still deal with these thoughts it just confirms my fears of being unsaved and now out of Gods hands. I also obsess over certain topics in Scripture of related to my faith to the point of severe anxiety and depression. I always feel I'm not doing the right thing and I get so overwhelmed. I didnt know religious ocd was a thing until last night and it has opened my eyes and given me hope that I'm not alone .
I have the exact same problem. I've been struggling with the unpardonable sin obsession since I was a kid. 10 yrs dealing with this especific obsession...
I hope you're doing better.
You aren’t alone. It’s not fun and the anxiety can feel unbearable at times...I recently started therapy for my Scrupulosity. One activity she has me doing is to read scripture and ask myself “Who is God?” and “Who does He day I am?”. It has helped so much, because I used to only read scripture to find a reason to condemn myself. I did it again today unfortunately. I’ll be praying for you today ❤️ and all other sufferers. God understands that we don’t understand.
@@laisportela3036 And here i thought i was the only one. I can barely believe it . I struggled with it from the age of 12, for six years. And it was all a secret.
Mine started this year... It's crippling
Guys please always remember that no one can separate us from the Love of GOD I did overcome this because I always remember that no one can separate us from the Love of GOD which is in CHRIST JESUS our LORD
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8:38-39
amen and amen!
Amém
Amen
Amen ❤
I have moral scrupulosity, mainly based around ethics/morality/even laws and rules. My main compulsions is reassurance seeking. It's really tough :(
As an atheist who's constantly bashed at for my existentialist philosophy, I can relate. I really hope you're doing better.
Hey have u gotten help? Just wondering how this can be overcome ?
@@jarixabeltre8768 Erp therapy helps. Just don't do compulsions. Show your brain that it's okay to do certain things without overthinking it
@@jarixabeltre8768 hey love, God’s been faithfully helping me over come and I was freed from a big part of my ocd yesterday, I have a ton of tips that helped if you’d like some?
I ended up with religious scrupulously from growing up with high demand religion (OCD in general was part of the autism party package). It got really bad when I started worrying about possession. After leaving my religion I thought it’d go away, but it ended up transferring over to worrying if I’m socially progressive enough. I just discovered your videos today and they’ve been so incredibly helpful
So how have you been lately Bro?
i think I have this. It started 2/3 years ago when I started dating a guy and for some reason I felt realy anxious and guilted about it. I didn't know why and it made me think that God didn't want me to date him, but I loved him and didn't want to break up.Everyone in my church said that my concern didn't make any sense and that I was overthinking, but it didn't go away. This made me struggle with a lot of anxiety and depression for about a year, when I fell out of love and broke up with him. I thought that that would mean that the anxiety and depression would go away (bc all of it were directioned only to this situation). But after I broke up, more things made me feel the same way: guilty and anxious. My desire to pursue music career without wanting to be a gospel artist, my desire to dye my hair, me talking to a guy I was kinda interested. All of it made me think “i want this, but what if God doesn't want this for me???” And all of the anxiety came back. even things that never happened! Im learning korean because I want to go to an exchange program in korea. But then I think: “what if God doesn't want this for me???”. Last year I was studying for my SAT’s to go to college. But I kept thinking “what if no matter how much I study, i wont get in because it isn't in God's plans for me?“. It feels like the only way I would make all of this go away is if I were to live a super religious life, which no matter how much I love God, I just don't want to. I don't want to be those people that don't have dreams of their own, or doesn't sing “secular” songs because it doesn't worship God (Except for those which are actually bad), etc etc. I still struggle with this and I don't know what to do. I don't want to be these radical people that 100% of what they do and say revolves around God. As if I were a nun. And this makes me feel guilty as well. God gives me so much and get anxious about the idea of living for Him??? Seem so ungrateful of me. I just can't give myself a rest.
Hey just wanted to say you’re not alone, I struggle with these exact same things. I keep reminding myself that fear and torment doesn’t come from God, and that there are so many people who do these things and yet live godly, beautiful lives that testify to God’s greatness. Remember He made us and our personalities. I will pray for you. How are you doing now?
@@sasukeCS7 Hi!! Wow! Thank you so much for your comment! It really makes me feel better. These days, I still strugle a little bit with this. The worries and fears are kinda still there, but I just choose to ignore it. I've been trying to get closer to God and it makes me feel better. Even tho, I still have some fears, even tho i silenced it, Im feeling waaaay better. I haven't had depression for a long time and no anxiety attacks for months. But I can still get better and that's my goal for this year. Praise the Lord!!! How are you doing?? I will also pray for you, brother! May we all heal together, in the name of Christ!
It’s living Hell because I know that God isn’t like this but I don’t know how he isn’t
I hope things are going well for you my friend! 😃
OCD and Anxiety I might seek spiritual help when this is over
@Anmol Tiwari hey! I also suffer from this disease. This is a serious pain. It kills every day.
What helped me was reading the Bible I started reading it to get to know who He is and not find myself or be self focused. Remember our sin separated us from God but Christ reconnects us. We can’t do anything to receive salvation Christ paid that price for us. Getting to know the Lord is important. This of it like building a friendship or a relationship. You learn about that person, their likes and dislikes, and learn their personality and character. The way we get this is from readin the word to hear about who God is and not about us, not to find ourselves but to find God.
A great book I’ve started is Stop calling me beautiful. The first chapters have really opened my eyes. And the Holy Spirit was already teaching me some of the things she mentions she just laid out what I had been learning. I hope it helps.
The best thing for me was to focus more on who God is and less on who I am. Focusing on yourself youll try to work your way into being saved, but it is by faith alone in Christ sacrifice that we are redeemed. We could never earn it. It is a free gift. A gift is something we don’t have to earn or pay for. It is because of who Jesus is that we are saved!
I pray for each of us going through this. Be blessed on your journey out. Trust God, you will come out of this.
I just barely discovered this video. I will be watching more. My son has very severe scrupulosity that has plagued him for 18 years now. It took a long time before we knew what it was. He has actually been disabled by his mental health problems. His scrupulosity/perfectionism doesn't involve just himself, but it jumps onto others who aren't "perfect." He can't handle it when others do things he perceives as evil--like bad language, complaining, negative attitude, tattoos, rap music, immodest dress, etc. It angers him when he sees or hears others doing "evil" things. Unfortunately, this has also caused legal problems for him. It has been super discouraging because he's really a good guy at heart, but the OCD, Tourettes, depression and anxiety have taken a huge toll on his life. Because he is on disability, his only insurance is Medicare and Medicaid. We can't find an real OCD therapist who will take that insurance, or any other insurance. The truly good therapists who actually know anything about OCD, especially scrupulosity, are all private pay which he can't afford, nor can we (we are retired). It's great to find these kinds of online help. Thank you.
I am so sorry to hear about your son's struggles and I can relate to some of the things you included; I wish all the best to you and him, and that you can all have some peace....
Impulse control disorder
And religious ocd....
Every time someone takes the Lord
Name in vain... I say .... Don't say that! ..... Yeah I get intrusive thoughts ... I get at word stuck in my head ..... I respond by writing about my salvation for hours....Hours. cry because my sins killed Jesus...
🙏🏽💕God has a plan. It might be hard, but trust.
That's sad, that the insurance system is so bad. Hopefully he still gets better.
I feel so understood finding this. I lived 18 years of my life with a GAD diagnosis because most of my obsessions and compulsions are mental. Recently got this diagnosis and everything makes sense. This moral obsession thing is exactly what I constantly worry about, and the theme of all the convos I run thru over and over to make sure I explain myself fully and know I'm doing the right thing in the future. Honestly just a relief to know and start getting the right help.
Thank you so so much for this video ^^ I didn't know it was called scrupulosity, but this is exactly what I struggled with through my teens. I would so often ask my mum 'am I sinning if I do...?' , and feel like I had to recite in my head specific prayers with the right words, and be so afraid of thinking thoughts that could be sins that I felt trapped within my head. Thank you for shedding a light on this and for all the help and techniques you suggest in the video. Bless you ^^
I love that it was able to resonate and help you. I'm sorry that you've struggled with this. I hope you'd doing better now. 😃
I had no idea I wasn't alone.
I deal with scrupulocity Pure O, i am spiritual. I am improving for sure. ERP is hard. it really is, but its the path to wellness.
Same here, sending love ❤️
I struggle with obsessing over little white lies I may have said and whether to have fully repented I need to tell the person when it isn't always necessary. Thanks for this video!!
Thanks for sharing Emily! You're awesome! I hope you can find some relief soon! 😃
Oh man I do this too😭 it leaves me in tears and fearing I lost my salvation or that God is just waiting for me to screw up so he can be angry at me and cast me aside. I have complex PTSD and a long history of abuse so I know my thinking is illogical as well as my OCD, but my mind can’t completely figure out if it’s completely wrong or not. I’m always in fear of not being in ‘perfect’ standing with God. One of the things I can give an example for is if someone asks me what time it is and I say ‘9:30’ but the clock changes to ‘9:31’ then I feel I’ve lied, and then if I actually have lied the feeling is even worse and I get suicidal.
Do I really have to confess as a Christian to the person I sinned against if it will only make them insecure or hurt the relationship?
I'm very happy I found out your videos. Harm OCD and scrupulosity have accompanied me ever since I was a teen and I didn't know what was wrong with me. After COVID, I had to face some anxiety and panic attacks and I realized that there are more things within me that what I would want to admit to myself. I come from a very strict and religious family and tight-knit community so I realized that growing up like this fueled my OCD even more.
Your videos have been a beacon of hope. Thanks so much for everything!
Im so ashamed and guilty because God hears and judge my thoughts :((
If we were perfect there’d be no need for Christ. Scripture says He understands us. If you know the thoughts are intrusive and not what you agree with, then all they are is just random thoughts. Not from your heart. Trust in Jesus and his Holy Spirit, because they reconcile you to God.
God is Almighty. His forgiveness and mercy for everyone is way greater than our sins. So trust His mercy, not your thoughts. May He guide you and grant you peace.
No babe he won’t he loves you and he knows you’re struggling with ur thoughts
Why would he have to die if we could do it
Oh maaaan everything you suggested for ERP made me so nervous even just listening to them!!! So so much. But I wish I could have you for treatment!
Lol me too!!!!
It gave me anxiety too lol!! Guess that’s part of the process 😅
Thank you so much. I have been suffering with this for a while and I thought I would never see the end of it, until I found your channel. The anxiety has since been lifted off my shoulders now that I know how to stop it. so I just wanted to thank you for that ❤️
How are you doing now
I’m trying the “I don’t know” method. Whenever I feel guilt over something, I say “I don’t know if this is a sin” but I’m getting worried because I’m starting to feel like my morals and ethics are fading away. What if you steal from a store and you just say “ I don’t know if this is a sin”.
If you live the commandments of Jesus it might be easier you don’t have to if you don’t want
Well...stealing is against the law so you can tell yourself "I don't know if its a sin, but it is against the law. So I'm not going to worry if its a sin but I'm just obey the law".
Stealing is a sin tho
Just put it back or go back and pay for it
I love how you include your bloopers at the end. It helps me to laugh at and enjoy my own bloopers in life :)
Hi Nathan.
Thank you so much for making this video. I have suffered from Scrupulosity for about ten years. I used to suffer from a different OCD before that, involving spinning around three times before I eat, sit down, get in the car, get in bed. I also used to walk in and out of rooms literally 100's of times before I entered the room and I felt so alone and couldn't find a way out. I used to do these rituals because my mind started to think that if I didn't do this then something bad is going to happen to my family.
Ten years ago, my Grandad passed away and that triggered my Scrupulosity and I cannot stop my rituals. I have cried in the car on my own, had panic attacks and it is awful. I think if I don't touch my face a certain amount of times then I won't see my Grandad again. I have to Pray a certain amount of times and it has to be the same words. I have not been to the doctors because if I do then my mind says again, something bad will happen. I need help, I need a way out, I need my anxiety to stop. What can I do?
Thank you, Nathan.
Jesus is with you. When you get these thoughts remember they are not from God. Our God is a God of peace. Jesus is the Prince of peace. But don’t give up on Jesus. He sees you. Keep praying, keep reading His word, and let your mind just rest in His presence. I will be praying for freedom for you. Win the battle of the mind! Joshua 1:9! Much love
Hi. Im not Nathan but are there any family members or close ones you can lean on? I used to think this same way especially with the panic attacks because i thought i was a terrible person and didnt deserve help of any kind. But i chose to get help anyway and its helping, but i don’t think i could’ve done it without my family. I hope there’s someone who can be there for you the same way because at least in my experience, it has been my loved ones who have really helped through this. I took the first step of being open to their advice
This video was wonderful and your channel has been a big game changer for me. These videos always remind me that there are others going through this silent struggle. This video particularly is helpful to remind me that I am not the only person to have this thought. As a devout Catholic, my religion is incredibly important to me. I have this obsession with not being selfish and giving up everything and while it starts off as a positive thing, I quickly become obsessive and feel INCREDIBLY bad when I do anything for myself. Like I’ll buy a coffee and think “You could have just donated that $4” and “Remember that man you saw with no shoes? Selfish of you to buy new sneakers knowing there are people with nothing.” I think about scripture that talks about giving everything up and I feel terribly that I don’t do that.
Hey Abby! I am so glad to hear that I could help you.
This hit me!! I feel the same way. My mom calls it a martyrdom mentality. Like it’s somehow more holy to do the hard thing instead of to enjoy the things God has given us. Jesus says a lot about laying down our lives, and I struggle to see how serving myself in any way can be considered loving. Let me know if you find any progress or reach any solutions!!
I suffer from the type of scrupulosity that makes me feel like if I don’t do a prayer properly, I make the opposite prayer, and everything that I don’t want happening is what I automatically pray for. It makes no sense whatsoever, however, that is how my brain perceives it. Thank you for making these. It makes me feel like I am not the only one and I am not some special individual doomed for eternity to be doing this. It gives me calm and hope ❤️
How are you doing now?
Everyone told me to stay busy, and work. I stayed busy and worked for years. The wrong mindsets will pop back up if they are not processed and treated. I am doing the work now. After difficult panic disorder and scrupolosity. Hope everyone gets better, it takes time, patience and self care. Each one of you DESERVES TO LIVE and BE HAPPY
I haven't been diagnosed with OCD, but I definitely have some symptoms of this. The biggest struggle for me is that I seek reassurance from others or I overthink what I think is a sin until I have found a way to view it to reassure myself. This makes my anxiety go down, but then a while later, I begin to doubt my reassurance and feel like I am rationalizing my sin. I can't tell the difference between rationalizing and thinking rationally. I also worry about talking to religious leaders because I feel that even if I resolve one issue, my mind will latch onto something else until I've convinced myself that it was a serious sin. I get used to reassuring myself about one thing, and I feel like if my brain moves onto something that I haven't thought through, I won't be able to handle the anxiety.
I feel the same way! I feel like if I find peace over a matter I was anxious about then I’m just “pushing past God’s way” and then I have doubt and it comes back. I’m trying to tell myself if it’s an anxious thought to begin with, it isn’t Jesus. Jesus is the prince of peace!
I've realized that following my compulsions without using any logical reasoning is living life on cruise control and not being present
Something I’m struggling with is whether or not God will be ashamed of me if I choose a vocation over another or if God wants me to do something, and if I don’t do it, I won’t be happy or I’ll be disappointed in myself because I didn’t listen to God. It sounds normal, but it’s so draining to live with! I’m happy that I found this video, and I actually have a name for this. I usually seek reassurance from my mother who’s been walking with God for a few decades.
Jesus taught me to trust His ability to lead me more than my ability to figure out how to follow Him. Hope this helps 🙏
I’m very thankful for this resource. It makes me not feel alone. Exposure sounds very scary to me, but it is very recommended by professionals.
Thanks for another great video! My partner's psychologist had him write a hierarchy list just as you described. His anxiety about our relationship really reduced (+medication) after completing more than 10 exposures over a long period of time. He is going to work on identifying some fears like swearing, not apologising enough, praying incorrectly and "stealing". I really like how you emphasised the goal is to not figure it out!
Thanks so much for the kind words! That's awesome your partner is helping with this process. Those sound like some good areas to takle. 😃
I have seen so many therapists and no one told me this is what it was!! I thought it was pure o
I was ready to give up- thank you !!! I’m in tears I’m so happy thank you 🙏🏻 mine isn’t necessarily religious but it’s the same
Same here.. 28 years old and over a decade of this and I’m JUST now finding it! So many therapists! I thought it was pure O too... but it just didn’t quite fit. Best of luck to you!! Hopefully knowing what it really is will help and glad we figured it out!
@@Ash-ow5yc thanks so much for the reply! Isn’t it crazy, I always felt it wasn’t quite regular ocd - years later discover it could be pure o and I figured that’s all she wrote and I just couldn’t find a way to explain the differences to people. Felt impossible- I’m sure you can relate. It gives me more strength knowing this and knowing good people out there understand- I wish you so much love and luck in the future ❤️🙏🏻
One thing that helps me is that i think "it was out of my control, and God knows it, i can't control those thoughts, and God knows it" and "it was an accident, i didn't mean to, it's unlikely that something bad will happen"
Thank you SO much for this video!! I have struggled with this since i was a kid. Ive been on many medications and in and out of therapy. Its good to know im not alone.
it sucks because i am by no means homophobic, but because of my scrupulosity, i always get nervous for my friends in the lgbtq+ community because i’m scared bad things are going to happen to them. i also used to love listening to song artists but now i can’t enjoy them anymore without feeling guilty or scared because they have done “the devil’s” sign. i’m just scared of doing anything ever.
OMG, I never knew I could encounter such same fate as mine... Oh, what did I even say "OMG?" I have come to know that the "OMG" expression is blasphemous in its nature... But I couldn't help it... I am so sorry to hear that you've to go through those stuff, that even I myself doesn't know what to do. I always seek reassurance in everything I do. Especially in these trying times, I could not do anything but to listen to music, as it gives me relief and eases my anxiety, but at the same time, it makes me afraid to think that listening is, as to what you've just mentioned, is a devil's way to distract you... I don't know what to do anymore. This crippling anxiety and everything... But I do hope that by this response will be enough for you to understand that you really are not alone. We are in this together. We will overcome this. Choose healing! I'm from the Philippines, though. Take care always and God bless you! 🤗
I've had this since I was 12, and it's the worst thing you can live, I'm afraid to go to hell and not be able to see my family again.
As much as I try to avoid those thoughts by insulting God and thinking scrupulous things, it has brought me a deep depression and anxiety, and I have even thought about ending my life 😔
It’s just OCD my friend. All those thoughts are nonsense. Just focus on the positive things in your life like your family, your friends, school, hobbies etc. Don’t give up because God wants you to fight and he loves you. Try to do ERP and practice mindfulness as much as you can and believe that you can overcome OCD.
@@PathToMetta Thank you for your words, worse I still can't help but feel terrible since those thoughts I have offend God and my family in horrible ways, and that's totally against my values
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@@SweetDecadence4 I’m suffering with blasphemous intrusive thoughts too 😔
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@@PathToMetta gonna pray 💕🙏🏽
I have Complex PTSD and severe OCD thoughts and actions about everything. I’m always perceiving extreme danger in every single situation and I’ve realized feeling in danger, then avoidance followed by extreme irrational thinking, has been ruling my life. I miss out on so much because my OCD and PTSD tells me I’m in severe danger.
Hi Nathan, Thanks for your wonderful video, I love your advices and I try to use them to treat myself! It seems it works and I'm so happy to my progress, I'll continue to watch more videos from you and to learn from you to live a better life, since years I've been suffering from OCD especially moral related one and I am so happy to find you over here and can use your given techniques to treat my OCD and anxiety! You're a great human and God is proud of you for helping others to relieve their pains! God bless you and all your dear ones!
I’ve been overwhelmed with continuous repetitive praying that has lost its meaning and instead turned into a ritual. Frankly, I feel hopeless and my therapist is trying to get me to keep praying but to pray slower and create a prayer schedule. This was not really the solution I was looking for since the urges come regardless of a prayer schedule. I will try the tactics in this video as it’s the solution I am seeking. I’m seeking to eradicate these guilty thoughts once and for all.
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I have cycled through various types of ocd for most of my life, especially during stressful times. I will go into a sort of remission, and then relapse into one or more types of ocd, and I will feel like I am constantly managing it and problem solving on an endless maddening loop, trying to “solve” something. Have you seen this sort of “obsessive” personality? I feel like I will be like this my whole life, with periods of remission and relapse that I then do exposure therapy for. One of the obsessions is food related and I’ve come to understand through my experience that body dysmorphia as well as almost all eating disorders (maybe not ARFID but maybe yes) are related to obsessive compulsive disorder. I also feel like aspects of complex ptsd are related to checking behaviors. For almost two years I have been dealing with a relapse of orthorexia, health ocd, scrupulosity ocd, relationship ocd, and magical thinking and I really believe the solution is exposure and that I don’t need to necessarily treat each one individually but to rather focus on not alleviating any anxiety that comes up by doing well established checking or reassurance seeking behaviors.
Thanks for sharing! It sounds like you're going through a lot! When I've learned is that any topic of OCD is treated the same way. With exposures. Just living a lifestyle of uncertainty really can help!
Im so sorry that youre dealing with this. I have also noticed that anxiety tends to "bring back" ocd, isolation and loneliness too. I think that the less time we spend in our head, the better we feel. But anyway..i hope things get better for you. I dont know what you're going through, but ive also dealt with many fears and obsessions at some point, though maybe there were less numerous than yours, it feels overhelming, like being stuck in a spiderweb.
I’m muslim and something that helps me is remembering that I don’t know what God or the prophet pbuh look like at all. Any demonic thoughts I have that I can’t control are just utter nonsense and illusions my brain creates from what I know. I still wish I could get rid of these thoughts tho, life would be much easier!
Im also Muslim and going through this for 3-4 years sometimes these thoughts go away but come again after some months and now it has been more than 1 year but still these wont go. Stay strong you're not alone
@@mariawaseem5341 Jesus Christ is Lord and savior. He can help you
Ask for forgiveness and God will forgive us!
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
1 John 1:9 NIV
He has already forgiven us through Jesus Christ. ❤️👑
The problem that we face is that, we have thoughts of having blasphemous thoughts, but we don't want them. For instance, an image of Satan standing victorious over God will pop up before our eyes, however we know it is wrong and we do not want to think like that. It is very hard to live like this.
Unwanted images and thoughts and I feel like I'm struggling with control over them and I don't understand how I got this it's obsessive stuff with my religion and I know GOD loves me but it's images that keep making me think back of GOD I'm trying to not imagine it, but its like I can't because the image is there😭😞
Hell images?
I struggled with this too!! I was singing Power in the of Jesus!! in my head in the kitchen and the thought came in " what if you can find some peace in the name Muhammad"... I closed my eyes and my heart started to race.. I took a deep breath and said "God what do you say about it??". I stopped singing slowly started to clean...and God took me to Daniel and I pictured the calf idol fall and they picked it up and tried to put it back..but God knocked it down again and the head came off.. I felt God speak to my heart..it doesn't matter what idol the enemy tries to put up..I will tear it down...
I praised him out loud!!! 🙌🏼
For the last 4 days,I haven't been able to focus on anything but shame and the feeling of unworthiness and being(after all) a horrible person who harms others and doesn't care. Im sure im having ocd memory loss and I keep focusing on details about the past, and I keep trying to figure out (in this situation that lasted for months) whether my good intentions ever "changed". Its horrible but I honestly feel thats its too excessive and inaccurate, and even "crazy" to myself(but then my thoughts tell me that im just making up excuses to hide the real person that I am). I feel extremely exhausted and conflicted between two voices, but im trying to not react to the thoughts.. Pray for me 💜
I will pray for you
@@bradykaplin8995 Thank you so much. I will pray for you too.
I have this exact facet of OCD. It's a really hard one..."purity" and "perfection" are unattainable, but it drives me a little crazy knowing that ha....thankful to find this video.
I don't know about deliberately doing something forbidden and then thinking "well, I don't know if G-d will punish me, I guess we'll see!" I understand that this is exposure-response and possibly the only treatment, but I am 100% not okay with the punishments that could happen, not even slightly.
Great thoughts. For most who struggle with this, the things that are "forbidden" aren't actually forbidden. Their OCD has skewed their values and beliefs. An example is; someone whose belief system or church says, "don't drink coffee". Their brain may say, "my co-worker just drank coffee and touched the door handle and I just touched the door handle, so maybe I have coffee in me." What this means is, TOUCH the door handle; that will feel forbidden to them. It's not saying, drink coffee and break your morals and values.
Dealt with is completely and absolutely alone ages 7-11 until I developed a panic disorder that is still plaguing me to this day. So glad that the ocd part is over but I had to sacrifice so much to get here because my whole family is religious.
I'm very lucky to watch you !
I will share my experiences all along with you & the watchers
And I'm sure I will benefit so much from your videos & and I hope you & people watching can benefit from my experience
Hope you best luck
You're really a wonderful guy
Thx alot !!!
this ocd has spoiled my peace of mind
i was going trough your ocd and anxiety videos and saw this one not knowing that this was something i also have💀💀 but thank you the video was so helpful❤️
My gusband & I enjoy these videos cuz of the way he talks and moves. That's a good thing! Makes it entertaining with such a stressful event
Thank you so much for this!!!! My son has scrupulosity and we are definitely going to do this.
Thanks for posting this video! I'm sure it will help people understand the nature of this complicated OCD subtype!
Thanks so much Leslie!!
Feel like I’ve had this. I know as a Christian you’re not supposed to have premarital sex. When I did when I was younger I felt comfortable doing that deed with my gf. Then during college had a one night stand and thought “what kind of person am I for engaging in this?!”, “this isn’t the kind of guy I am”, “what’s wrong with me and how could I be so careless?!”. I convinced myself that God was going to punish me with unwanted pregnancy or std. Never had either one, but realize there are consequences to sin, but Christ took out punishment on the cross.
I used to suffer from this but nowadays it's legal ocd, fear of committing or having committed a crime. Hardly anyone speaks about this
I hope you're okay! 🙏🏿
Thank you Nathan for shedding light on this moral OCD. I don’t feel as alone.
I’ve been dealing with this for years and I just want say thank you you’re helping me change my life forever
I was raised Catholic, and slowly became a skeptical agnostic during my college years. I still get these scrupulosity obsessions, and to be honest it's things like this that make me rather uncomfortable around the topic of religion. Not saying everything about religion is bad, I just feel that it can sometimes impose this black/white idea of good and bad, holy and evil, to the point where natural human behavior is shamed, and people are labeled "evil" when in reality they just need help. Many studies have shown that people who commit terrible crimes have experienced terrible traumas of their own (please read "The Body Keeps the Score" if this interests you). Some were abused, some were neglected, some went through the horrors of war. Even having a well-meaning parent who at times was too preoccupied with depression or anxiety to provide proper care can lead to attachment issues that compound as the child grows up, leading to all sorts of mental distress (if ignored). Not saying we should let people off the hook for terrible things, but I think instead of simply labeling them as "evil" and hoping they "burn in hell", we should think, "how can we prevent and treat the traumas that lead to this sort of behavior in the first place?" If we can do more of that, I think the people that have these urges or desires to commit terrible deeds will be more likely to reach out to someone for help, and people with OCD won't be so caught up with these obsessions. Remember that we are human. The way we feel is the direct result of the conditions we grew up in. Just my two cents. (p.s, thanks for all these videos and for encouraging discussion).
If you'd ever like to look into the Bible and God more I reccomend looking up Amazing Facts online. Pastor Doug Batchelor is amazing
I would say if i have moral scrupulosity my worries would be on if i lied or not and the compulsion would be rationalization in my head that i didn’t.
I am a believer in Jesus but I struggle with this. My issue is wondering if something is a sin that is not explicitly stated in scripture but I believe has become an idol.
I am trying to avoid idolatry at all costs after reading the book of Ezekiel. I feel anxious when going to church because I keep thinking about all the sins I have committed that week. I worry I am doing repetitive sins. For instance, I write creative stories. I started in high school and I felt no guilt writing them whatsoever. However, I now feel guilt whenever I write the story because I feel like I may be idolizing my writing by spending a lot of time doing it and getting more enjoyment out of it than I get out of church. I love Jesus, but I worry I am not loving Him enough. I feel really guilty after writing for hours on the platform. How can I tell the difference between God's conviction and anxiety and condemnation?
If my story writing is a sin then why did I not feel guilty back then? If it is not, then why do I feel like God keeps bringing it up to me in church? Could that be anxiety?
I feel the same way! If I read a self help book I think I’m going to hell because we should only read the bible and trust the Holy Spirit for guidance in our lives. Or if I work really hard and long hours on my business, I’m idolizing it over God.
ME TOO
Today i found a name for the cycle of thoughts that have plagued me all these days...i love god and we will never leave eachother
(English isn't my native, so sorry because of mistakes)
Someone once told me about unforgivable sin about Holy Spirit, and from nowhere, thoughts about it started to fill my life. I was thinking about those sins and they started to follow me, wherever I go. I started to think about hell. I was sure I'm going into it. Just because i couldn't get rid of "the thought". That happened a couple years ago, and I was somehow able to control it. But I had a mental breakdown, month ago, and bc of that stress, my ocd started to attack me. I didn't knew that that was ocd. I thought I was the biggest sinner (idk if this word exists) and that I should quit my life bc it's destroyed by myself. Now i get that, not only obsessive cleaning, but obsessive thoughts can make a ocd. I'm still scared that God doesn't love me anymore. But i know he loved me before. Give me some piece of advice, if you can, bc I'm desparate.
Btw I'm 14 years old
I'm doing some imaginary exposure where the very thing that I felt absolute anguish popping into my head (devil, hell) is now being purposefully imagined by me, while i say "this is not scary any more" " I do not belong here and never did". Give me support, yall!
May you overcome your fears and surrender to the generosity and mercy of God.
How are things so far?
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Thankyou! I really struggle with this from time to time. Sometimes it feels unending.
i’m afraid of accidentally saying something like saying I love jesus but accidentally say I Love the devil and then i pray so much and it’s a cycle and can’t sleep😓😭
Thank You, I found you on You Tube and you have been helping me a lot !!!
Scrupulosity affects me greatly.
Training in the complete grace of God ❤️🙏
Great video Nathan! Folks with OCD, please find ERP provider in the IOCDF provider directory. There is help and hope out there.
I have scrupulous thoughts every day and almost 2-3 hours goes on this. It haunts me everyday every moment. I think that i have to pray in this participating way, in this particular time and after this particular action. I get afraid at every small thing and people have started noticing it. It makes me sick from inside. I cry inside of me and i stay totally depressed. I don’t want to tell it to everyone because people around me will start worrying as to what has happened. I try to share things to some extent. People give their views and opinions and try to cure me with their advice but nothi works. Anytime there is a festival it spikes so much. I am not able to do anything else. It’s is so frightening for me. I appear scared all the time. Is there any happiness in my life. I am unable to celebrate even my birthdays properly. I haven’t seen joy properly since 2-3 years. I feel scared at everything. It’s so disturbing 😓😓
My daughter died in a car wreck in 2109 and I was raised very Baptist. I didn't know this had a name or what I was feeling wasn't me going crazy. I feel like I'm spiraling out of control with obsessing over everything. I made an appt with my Dr for Thursday. I need help. I know this. Thank you for this video.
I've been through this thought process so many times.
I'm a Christian and realise the journey more now instead of needing things to just go away in 5 mins.
I'm getting support and understand there are hurdles and exposures that need to be made in little steps.
Thank you for this video because the anxiety about intrusive thoughts, fears and the worry about perceived threats are real in the mind but aren't happening in reality.
One question that becomes a fear, what will happen if I tell people what worried about?
Come on man 😂 I watched the previous video and this , damn bro half way to the video I just started laughing how you explain and made us with this ocd feel stupid for having it 😂 I have ocd and it’s been extreme at some point but environmental ocd and this particular ocd but all I do is survive set a reminder on my phone that says I just have ocd and nothing else and I’m a survival,I’m glad your this smart to help people with this problem,thank you my friend I have to connect with you personal ,I’m hoping we can be friends
I'm an 13 yr old and I'm scared and I can't do anything I said to myself god will love and care for me and I go to my family and my family comforts me and helps me and thank you so much Godbless you Amen
Thank u so much!
I have a strange fear with scruplocity. While I have the common ones like praying cosntdlty and guilt and shame, one ofy biggest fears with ocd is actually about demons. I think it is because of my grandparents who are fanatically religious telling me stories of them casting out demons in people and stuff but I will compulsively pray about rebuking demons and even feeling that I have a spirit in me posseisng me or something. The worst part is out of all the searches I've done on religious OCD, I've never found another person talk about this specific thing so it's hard to get help for. But I am working with a really good therapist and I realize that while it would be nice to see my specific issue being talked about, I I know that looking for a specific thing and thinking mines different and this doesn't apply to me. It's just my OCD convincing me I've been doing better. It's just very odd because I'd still like to at least hear once about another person with religious OCD talk about this because I've never heard about anything regarding spirits or anything
You’re not alone. I’m suffering with the same thing. I’m still in progress on dealing with it but you’re not alone. I wish you the best on your journey.
@catguy1471 are you talking about possession or temptation because demons cannot possess a person with the Holy Spirit but can still tempt them
I do this too
Wow this is an awesome video. And I am so so thankful, so thankful. I really struggle, daily with my OCD. Scrupolisity and moral, or I guess its all one.
Thank you so much for your video! Because it's been so hopeless and unknown for such a long time. Subscribed to your channel!!
Thanks for your kind words! I hope you can feel better soon! 😃
Thank you so much!!
How do you do this when you're trying to avoid conversation because I'm afraid I'm going to say something wrong? Example.... Thinking i said something offensive or didn't get all the details right in the story.
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Hi! My OCD makes me make promises to G-d, and it’s not that i want to do make these promises, but it just comes up to my head. It doesn’t come out of my mouth or anything, but I feel like if I don’t do my compulsions, I feel like I’ll lose something that I love. :/
Exactly what i feel..... I hope we both overcome this and be relieved
I have this problem as well.. and it scares me because I don't want to make promises but then I don't think and am not sure if it means I can (for example) never eat a cookie again or if I didn't mean that etc.. let's pray that we all can get some relieve and get over these problems! May Our Heavenly Father bless us❤🙏🏻
Exactly what happened to me for years. I would strongly advise you to seek therapy.
I know it’s been a year since you wrote this, but I deal with that too. For so long my mind was just plagued with the fear of accidentally making a promise that I can’t keep and these random promises appearing in my brain. I prayed a lot and apologized, and now I always have the phrase “I don’t make any promises” stuck in my head 24/7, even subconsciously I say it in my head. I only recently learned abt how this is all probably related to ocd. I constantly felt so alone and like a horrible person. It’s actually kinda weird seeing someone have (what seems like) the same issue as me. You’re not alone :)
I suffer from moral scrupulosity. It actually got to the extent where it caused me to lose a friend. So that's fun...
Thanks for sharing your experiences! I'm sorry that happened to you! I hope you can feel better soon! 😃
@@ocdandanxiety Thanks so much for replying. It's gotten a little better. Just the occasional bad memories ):
@@ihatetuesdays8438 YESS! Awesome to hear! Thanks for the update!
I often make promises to God and am scared that if I don’t follow bad things will happen. Does that count as scrupulously or something else?
Sir you explained well for christianity but what about dharmic religions? The ocd related to them is totally different it is not the fear of sin it is the fear of getting crazy as we are not in the range of dharma, if i am lazy then i am not able to figure out that at that time is rest necessary or i am being lazy and useless, this creates anxiety cause laziness is told as something which is a hinderance in attaining eternal peace or meditative state. What about this? Also like i am doing someone's help but dont know if it complete help or not maybe i should have thought more at that time,etc,etc it is too much.ii
Sally: "Oh my gosh, this guy keeps staring at me"
Grocery store clerk: "Sorry Sally I'm busy with this Jimmy guy who keeps stealing my samples"
Thank you for the video! How would you determine if something one is concerned about is due to Scrupulosity or actual serious problem that one should solve b talking with pastor or bishop?
I struggle with my own made up scrupulouisty that is connected to Christianity but it can drive away from it.
I’m going to try this out, I had this emerge out of nowhere this year. It’s gotten to the point I pray 20+ times a day and I get mad at myself for messing up a prayer or committing a sin. I can’t see a cross without doing a full prayer about how we love God and how he is Almighty. I can’t end a sequence of prayers or any activity on any number that’s not a multiple of 7 because my head makes me think any # lower than 6 means that I didn’t care enough to beat that evil number.
For me, I do not have OCD but I have OCD like tendencies, it's praying the right way. It's been a cycle I've been able to break before, but lately, it's restarted. For example, I used to read my psalms upright on my bed, and I have books that are fiction or non-fiction that may or may not have curse words because it's part of the story. However curse words are just man-made words we as humans gave meaning to, to be "bad"
I know this but because I need to pray in the "right" way I'll go to a room I find "pure" none of that helps my relationship with God it makes me sad that my OCD-like tendencies which I know is anxiety physically manifested it ruins my relationship to things.
Its very confusing and difficult to have scrupulousity and morality based compulsions when you aren't religious.
Ive been dealing with Scrupulosity since 1994.. I only found out about a year ago that it was an OCD. My mind curses God every day. I'm having a real hard time with this exposed therapy technique.. I just cant Curse God on purpose. I have a thought that well.. my mind is already cursing God what difference does it make? I have used mindfullness techniques and this help a little.
It's your own mind or satan doing this, u need to read the Book of Job in the Bible, Job keeps doing burnt offerings or sacrifices everyday for fear that he or his sons sinned, u need to know that God loves u.
Hi Great talk
Showed me all the ways I have this disorder
I wish you were my therapist
May I ask if you believe in Christianity? I feel it’s difficult to do things that are deemed “sin” in a religion that considers apathy for such sins as an unrepentant. This would make your treatment blasphemous from the POV of a Christian
Thank you brother, THANK YOU
You understand the sticky web so well!!!
Thank you for the video!! Are you a LDS by chance?
I am and I was wondering this too! Usually Christians of other faiths don't mention Bishops as regular ecclesiastical leaders.
@@alainaatk.6210 He has the Book of Mormon Made Easier on his bookshelf in some of his videos. It's really nice to know that he is, it's a lot easier to relate to someone who is of the same faith especially when dealing with scrupulosity.
Please tell me what i can do for my 78 yr. old mother. She was just recently diagnosed with alzheimer's disease but every thought is about her salvation.
I feel like it’s a spiritual issue and I shouldn’t sin if I do I ask forgiveness but feel worse inside and feel that it’s spiritual and negative inside
It's very helpful thank you
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me❤
Great video♥️ Thanks a lot....
What are your suggestions for if you can't lie, because if it's willful, you worry about it? This stems from Hebrews 10:26-31. Where are you located?