Phew, that was some intense weeks of testing! We hope you liked it! :) Thanks to ASUS for sponsoring this video. Check out their ProArt lineup here: tinyurl.com/ASUSNordic And thanks to Casey Faris for sharing his knowledge about Resolve! Make sure to check out his video as well: ua-cam.com/video/tCv3vP6LxAs/v-deo.htmlsi=oghaGFSpvJDIQJuH Don't forget to check out our film workshop this June: andyax.com/film-workshops/
Make proxies. Yesterday in my school was visited by an alumni who has been a reality tv editor for 20 years. He always does proxies. He also uses an intel macbook (2018) for cutting with 64gb ram and does well with it. He sees no reason to upgrade the laptop. He doesn't use davinci, he uses premier Pro.
But why? just another step and annoying... if he does it as his job he should have up to date tools not something from 2018. I mean they can do want but doesn't make sense to me. I would never hire a professional editor with a laptop from 2018 that just screams you aren't serious. I think it is good that you don't need the best tools, just saying that if you are a professional editor you SHOULD have the best tools. Time is money.
@@JakeBaconDigital in reality tv show there can be like 17 hours of 4k material in timeline for one episode. Its easier to just use 720p versions of the same clips. Like color greyer or sound mixer dosen’t need the 4k to work they can see what happens on the 720p timeline. And he dosen’t even do the proxies, his edit assistant will do that.
@@JakeBaconDigital A bit short sighted to dismiss someone based only on gear. If you can't tell the vintage of his machine from the quality of his edits or his ability to stick to agreed timelines, does it matter that his tool of choice is not on the bleeding edge of every release cycle?
My friend edited a whole feature film on his i5 laptop, of course with proxies. If you don't color grade with heavy effects, for editing you don't need a really powerful computer, spend the money on a good monitor or speed editor panel
I get that this was all on the basis of the motherboard that Asus provided and while the effort is already way beyond what a lot of other tech tubers do when it comes to production testing, I couldn't shake the feeling that I would have loved to see you try the same with an AMD based system in parallel. Not just CPU, but GPU as well. Of course this would have meant even higher costs, more machines, more combinations (Intel + NV, AMD + NV, AMD + AMD, Intel + AMD) and ultimately stalling the projects you actually had to work on for even longer. Therefore it's also very understandable that you kept it at this scope. So all in all, great video, interesting perspectives and I think pretty crucial information for quite a few people out there! Looking forward to see this again in the future once ARM machines become more available / viable on Windows, you get access to AMD parts or even once there is the option to include the Apple Silicon devices in such a comparison! :)
Hi. Yes, time for sure constrained us a bit. Most of the computers we edit on are actually AMD (Threadrippers and Ryzen 9). A few years ago, it was a no brainer to choose AMD, but with the latest gen we've opted for Intel. As for GPUs we have not dared to try AMD as the support for Nvidia is just so much better, especially for the 3D work we do outside of Resolve.
I’m just saying…right now I switching between this channel and Corridor website daily. And I love it 😅 I love to watch channels/ companies that do similar stuff like I do, commercials, videos, films etc (not just UA-cam videos). Love u guys ❤
The only reason I'd consider choosing a 4090 over a 3090 is power consumption. I think it was Asus website where I saw the 4090 though higher performance uses less ⚡🔌 when leaned on. I live in an area where electricity is pretty expensive and there's nothing for my PC to run 10-12 hours per day (except for Sunday) so maybe the reduced bill is justification for stepping up to 40 series.
14:20 need more people to hear this. That’s fact, it always comes down to what codec are you editing on and build PC from there. I learnt my the hard way
I record everything in ProRes on a ninja V. You can edit 4k on a potato in prores... but you need to spend more on HDDs and stuff. Decent trade off imo.
Great video and i am in the process of buying hardware based on the recommendations ie. Rtx4090, 192GB Ram, intel i9. However, when i went to the computer store, they recommended the AMd Ryzen 9950x. They mentioned it has better performance than the i9 and also doesn't run as hot and doesn't draw as much current, what are your thoughts for me to replace the i9 with the 9950x in this build for da vinci resolve?
Make sure you have a good Mainboard. A lot of people says PC is under MAC....is not, only if you use a crappy board. I use a Ryzen 9 9950X with Nvidia MSI 4080 Super 16gb, 64 gb Ram, 2 x M3 disks AND an ASUS Rog Strix X670E Gaming motherboard. The setup is cooled with a triple water cooler, powered by a Gold 1200W power. Result? I have a crazy FPS in Resolve, even with 4K HEVC editing and Denoise and colorization live. Cheers.
thank you, this was an awesome, informative video. I had previously watched Casey's video which you showed shorts from. I really appreciate your efforts. I love the comment about not needing a Christmas tree of lights....getting the job done professionally really counts. Thank you
Great video guys. Here’s a great tip. The difference between the 3070 ti and 3080 ti on paper isn’t that big of a difference, but the reason why Resolve improved so much is because the 3070 ti has 8gb video memory (VRAM) and the 3080 ti has 12gb vram. I do know with resolve that 4k video is nearly impossible to do with an 8gb vram GPU. That’s why 12GB would be the minimum. If you want to test this out. Open up your task manager. And in the performance page you can click on GPU and it will show you video memory usage. Especially when you apply color codecs and any of the new Ai tools, you will watch the VRAM get full pretty quick. It’s interesting you showed an rtx 2060 in there which has 6gb vram and it struggled so much. Here would be a good test. Go get an RTX 3060 with 12gb of vram. And put it up against the RTX 4060 ti 16gb. The difference between these two GPUs on paper isn’t huge but I bet there’s a big difference because of the vram usage. I bet you one or both of those could potentially out do the 3070 ti.
Thanks for the video. Taste and preference are as known different. My M1 Max Studio 32 Gpu cores have run smooth (full frames) for several years with many video layers, color correction, adjustment windows, NR, etc. It has been many years since I had a Mac computer that crashed. Almost always Prores files and mostly Resolve and Protools. I have worked on PCs, it was definitely not a pleasant experience. I am quite sure that it has been much more profitable to work on the Mac due to the greater productivity and the knowledge that I can concentrate 100% on the job.
Likewise. Will see the reviews of forthcoming M4 Max and second gen of Snapdragon Elite X with NPU… in 2025. Meanwhile my M1 Max MBPro 32 GPU 32 GB is fine. Btw, laptop on the go & effective when unplugged ;)
I love Davinci Resolve, I am running the free version on Manjaro Linux with a Ryzen 5 4600G, RX 6600 and 16GB of ram. For the light to moderate workloads I do, it powers right through it like a hot knife through butter!
@@UnchartedWorlds you sound cocky and stupid. There is no system in the world which will remain butter, I have no graphics card (External), and there fore learned so many workarounds, that you won't.
Surprising, but those are both going to be significantly slower that the i9-14th gen, They are not intended for video editing. Others have tested them. I know, crazy, a $6k is slower than a $600 CPU
I9 is the best CPU, no Defects. The I9 CPU form factor is the same CPU as the I7, I6, I5, I3 Etc. the only Difference is the lower you go the more Defects the chip has and rated accordingly. So, the Performance Suffers more on the lower chips. This is According to the chipmaker.
Hi, great video! Thanks for all the effort you put into it! I would be very interested to know about your workflow with DaVinci Resolve and After Effects. Which codecs you use and when, and also how you work with 3D software. Sharing your experience with us would be very interesting! :)
Also note to viewers The information in the video is conflicting. So I'll make it easy to understand. CPU is important. Slow CPU means slow system. Go with anything that has 6 cores or more. Anything released after 2021 is good enough. Ryzen is budget friendly and runs much cooler for even better performance. You don't need an i9. Or ryzen 9. Not for editing atleast. If you have the extra budget sure, but gpu comes first. GPU is even more important. For davinci you are unfortunately pigeon holed into using Nvidia. Just get a 4070ti or better if you have the cash if not the 4060 should do. Unfortunately here, there's no diminishing returns the more you spend the more performance you get. I hate Nvidia's pricing. RAM, use your task manager to see how much you need. For general editing purposes 32gb is more than enough. If shooting 8k or using a lot of fusion you should get 64gb. If you think you need more than that, this comment is not for you. Memory Speed isn't that important for editing. Try for atleast 5400mts tho. If not it's fine. Dw about it Motherboard. Get a gigabyte motherboard. Unfortunately asus and msi have lost my trust. ASRock had some good boards but has also made bad boards. By elimination that leaves gigabyte. Hardware Unboxed does motherboard testing. Find one that suits your needs. A basic one costs been 150-200. Nicer ones go up to 300. If in doubt, ask. People often end up overspending wayy too much on motherboards. Ltt forums and pcmr are a good starting place. Storage: get an nvme ssd from a reputable manufacturer. You NEED to check forums for this if you care about the exact speeds and tbw numbers since they keep changing components inside the ssds. But for general performance you can trust the manufacturers numbers. Psu. Don't cheap out. 150 dollars can get you a great psu. Check out hardware busters website for a great list of PSUs. That's it.
I remember wondering what builds you were using when I saw a GTX1070 or 1080 in the one epiosde. It's crazy to see the comparisons, I can definitely feel my 16GB RAM and Core i5 holding me back. I'd assume my RTX3070 is doing the most work, but sometimes I can't edit at all once NR and Colorspace Transform is on 4k footage! Looking forward to the scifi episode!!!!
good time to look at that video. I figured quite quickly that my cpu being 12700k doens't need an upgrade. But I underestimated how much ram Davinci needs. My 32 gb are full in no time. I would need at least 64gb. For my vids optimized cache loads easily beyond 300gb on my disk. So having more ram would surely speed some stuff up. So for me it isn't about render speeds but playback in editing and stuff.
Thanks! We have a Mac, but use mostly Windows as we need the customisability and upgradability. We also do a lot of 3D work in Blender and Virtual Production with Unreal where Macs are useless. If you do only editing Macs are great of course.
with apple's new silicon, it's a bit tricky because apple has put encoder inside (media engine) the chip which massively accelerates encoding and decoding like physical hardware encoders and Resolve has been rewritten to optimize that but it only works with handful of codecs, so if you aren't using those codecs, you are out of luck.
It wouldn't be wise to edit any large scale projects without proxies in my opinion. The only codec I would want to work in always is ProRes LT or proxy. 4k or 1080p. 4k if its something in which sharpness is critical such as product shots and such. 1080p is fine for documentary editing and such. Once you get into any type of heavy effects, in which the GPU is really important, a 14900k 4090 setup is unbeatable today. For everything else, with a ProRes proxy workflow, an Apple Silicon is a no brainer. It's quiet, it's smooth and it's incredibly reliable. No matter how powerful these custom builds are, a powerful Mac will just work greatly. I hate mine for not being upgradable and all of the flaws that come with apple but it just works and will continue to do so. Once your office will reach 30 degrees Celsius, all those 14900k with make the room even way hotter. Not being able to make ProRes proxies is also a pain on windows. All in all, I'd recommend a Mac to any film editor today.
I'm five minutes into this video and they're still talking about themselves and not telling us, which is the best computer hardware. What the hell is wrong with these people?
Decoding doesn't say much about render times. And when you say 422,I assume you refer to the h.265. You should not use that format on a timeline, if it can be avoided. And create proxies, if you have to.
@@akyhne rendering also is faster with dedicated chips like in intel quick sync that supports 422, unlike on 4090 that only supports 420. Yes, I meant h265. I am not being rude but I want to or have to for small projects, and proxies are smoother only aiding editing, like when you want to colour grade on original and to play back that in real-time, that's where quick sync will be useful. One of the youtuber tested it and confirmed it already.
@@SivalalRamakrishna I'd like to see a test that shows, a CPU can render faster, than a GPU. I hope it's not Tech Notice you're talking about. He does a lot of errors in his tests. And although benchmarking can be nice, they are not really that helpful. There also seems to be a trend amongst those UA-camrs, that if you can't edit "natively" in real time on the timeline, you either needs to upgrade your PC, upgrade individual components or switch to another editor. Just enable proxies and/or cache. That's it! That's what the Hollywood editors do in large projects, even though they sit at computers costing a lot more, that what we, the regular users use.
@@akyhne There are dedicated chips inside a processor that can decode and ecode faster even than a gpu, search for intel quicksync. There are more scenarios than editing, like when your color grading consumer grade camera footage, that where proxy wont do any good
@@SivalalRamakrishna I know very well, what Quicksync is and it's in no way faster at encoding. And while it can be better at decoding, it's simply a question of optimization of the software. As for color grading, you are totally wrong! Color grading takes next to no effort for a computer to do. It's the playback of the color grading that takes up resources. And I'm talking about professional software, more specifically DaVinci Resolve and not something like Premiere Pro. And in Resolve, on the color page, you can cache any node in your color grading. It's just a simple right-click on the very node.
Hi, would like to see the results from AMD against the current results: My build for Davinci is: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D, 64gig @ 4800, 2 x SSD 970 Evo 2TB, AMD Radeon RX7900XTX Thanks
A different way to deal with this topic would have been to contact Linus Tech Tips and ask him if he would run multiple test in his new "testing facility" ;)
Hello, for the ram, i was surprised that davinci don't use the ram for pre render the file or cache, but it writes these on disk. I have added ram (before 32 and now 96Giga) and resolve is not better with this add. So I had made a ramdisk and i set it to 16 or 32Giga and this is really a big improvement when you work in colour page, mix page. I just set the cache in the project to the ramdisk and that's all. The ramdisk is 2time faster than my best SSD NVMe. And working like this use really less disk that can be cool to the long live on the disk. What a petty that resolve don't use really the ram. Sorry for my terrible English, i'm French. It will be interesting if you can add for yourself and for us experience to test something like this too. My pc is a small one if I have a look at yours, and it is a AMD RYZEN 7 but i'm happy with it. davinci seem to working better thn the adobe product. Question, do you thinks taht a 3060 versus 2 with 12Gram or a 4060 with 8 gram are correct to use to? because the price off 3080 and 4080 is very high for me.
I’m running a ryzen 5 3600 which has 2 more cores than the i3 tester and is about 15% faster according to benchmarks. And an RTX 3050 8gb GPU. And I will say, 4k is really hard to work with. The only work around I have is to lower timeline resolution down to 720p. And when the video is done, change timeline resolution back to 4k. That’s the only way this GPU can actually handle that resolution and even then, it can get slow and big down a lot.
Why didn't you guys compared the "k" versions of i5 ad i7 with i9-14900k? I mean k versions are overclocked and if on one side in i9-14900k, the other side should be i5-14900k or i7-14900k.
Obviously this is awesome but would have been cool to see some Mac thrown in there and some AMD . But we all have our limits right. Maybe something for the future. One thing I want to mention that I found interesting. I have pretty high and billed from last Jan had it for a while. Ryzan 5900x 32gb at 3600hz with 3080 . It can still handle everything I throw at it and sometimes that's quite heavy. But what's strange is I also have middle of the pack MacBook 16 gb 500g ssd MacBook pro with the m1 pro chip . The PC is faster in every way when it comes to noise reduction and lots of fusion stuff going on the PC smokes it. However when it comes to magic mask in particular along with few other fusion functions surprisingly the Mac does better like quite a bit better. I know it's because of the neuro engines but it's just something to think about. And I'd love to see a comparison between more hardware. Maybe even running Linux lol because yeah we're stuck with Microsoft but God I hate Microsoft. Lol besides the point though. Really cool video would love to see more like it.
Also the Mac has those encoders which I know but until CPUs sort of have now too. Allowing me to get the basics of a cut or simpler edits done on the go. Making me really consider upgrading to a higher end laptop. But a dream of mine is to have something like a graphics card that goes into another pcie Lane that compliments the CPU and GPU just filled with encoders and NPU they can make it for the AI stuff but in my opinion or at least in my dream it'd be so cool if they made something like that that was specifically for editors and 3D artists. Anyway just throwing that out there in case somebody in Nvidia or AMD is reading it. Actually I think Intel had a plan like that at one time or similar to that.
@morten.rustad about $100 cheaper new online in some places now. Not getting any issues with 8gb vram as my system is good at utilizing shared ram - but my 2080 super is the bottleneck of my threadripper system with 128gb ram. Use case is completely davinci resolve editing and color grading 4k footage, going to 6k shortly.
@@Lathrop_Media Yes, the 3090 is still a beast, and when doing higher resolution the vram comes in handy (and even completely necessary when doing 8k for certain effects as Resolve will crash otherwise)
@@morten.rustad I just downloaded some 6k braw 5:1 and it was defintely harder on the 2080 super than the 4k h.265 10 bit 422 from my R7, but no crashes! I think i would keep the 2080 super to drive my monitors and let the 3090 or 4080 super do the resolving!
IF only I found this video before I bought my PC 1 montth ago... I got 4090 and I struggle to make it work well and based on your chart I could have saved quite a lot by just going with 4080. 1 thing I can say - HP Pre-built sucks. It blocks my power mode and limits the perfomance of my PC. It's not even using 100% of anything during render and it's super quiet.
Note to viewers. Do not buy asus. Faulty motherboards, non existent support and very slimy reps. I repeat, don't buy asus Unless you have a lot of time and experience dealing with pc hardware, you aren't gonna be able to get a broken component fixed. Gamers Nexus has a great piece on thr subject
This is like a bottle of multivitamins thrown at a 200 gallon soup. Nutricious? Yes, you can call it that. Effective? Well, if you rock a hippopotamous stomach, then maybe? I rarely drop a negative comment, but, man... You made me realize I dislike content that is supposed to be informative, but is edited like a short film.
This video is way too fancy for what it's trying to accomplish. I don't need to see the PC builder's struggles, or cinematic shots of the PCs, or all the unnecessary intro bits. Most people here came to this video for the results of your tests, that's all. Trying to build up the tension with lines like "is this worth risking our clients" is so pointless and comes off as cringe. This next point is a bit of a nitpick but, why are the animations for your graphs so slow?? In fact, why is the video itself so slow? Everything feels so dragged out and the "story" you've given the video actually makes it much harder for viewers to understand the key takeaways. I get that you're all film makers, but this is not how you make an effective informative video.
I try to avoid Asus at all costs due to a very bad experience with the company. When buying components, ensure the hardware hasn't been altered since the initial positive reviews. I usually prefer MSI for this reason. My DaVinci build uses these components, with the CPU slightly undervolted to enhance performance and manage temperatures. I would also choose the Seagate Firecuda for its better Drive Writes Per Day (DWPD) rating of 0.70. Intel Core i7-13700K MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI MSI GeForce RTX 4080 16GB GAMING X TRIO G.Skill Ripjaws S5 F5-5600J2834F32GX2-RS5K (2 x 32GB) Seagate FireCuda 530 4TB M.2 SSD
All this "effort" and you are finally "testing" 1 (ONE!) GPU Brand? hääää? You do not need to test CPU or RAM at ALL, as the MSFT TaskManager can tell you exactly if you are short an that. Besides the fact that pretty much everyone knows that a good i5 or i7 is enough. BUT: The MOST IMPORTANT THING IS: WHICH CODEC??? to which card! Intel iGPU can accelerate and work in conjunction with ARC! All depending on codec. In the beginning I saw a H264(!) export, which is a bad idea to begin with. AMD GPUs can also work great - but in general Nvidea is a idea but wayyyy more expensive than Intel. As you can image i skipped because it drove me too crazy. But: It is sooo irrelevant if you tested 3 or 30 PC! You got to test right: - first: Codec source vs codec final - second: on BUDGET I can build you a faster PC. Whatever you have I can build a faster one. The relevant factor is: PRICE Like 1, 2 or 3 grant and within that budget the fastest machine running STUDIO Version to export H265 ....
@@ltpinecone Lol ... Those machines presented here are not (!) low budget. If you take the Mac Mini's (M2 e.g.) at the moment, I am sure you are in a similar price range. Actually, @Andyax would you mind listing the 14 'total machine prices' !?
Phew, that was some intense weeks of testing! We hope you liked it! :)
Thanks to ASUS for sponsoring this video. Check out their ProArt lineup here: tinyurl.com/ASUSNordic
And thanks to Casey Faris for sharing his knowledge about Resolve! Make sure to check out his video as well: ua-cam.com/video/tCv3vP6LxAs/v-deo.htmlsi=oghaGFSpvJDIQJuH
Don't forget to check out our film workshop this June: andyax.com/film-workshops/
My takeaway of this video: Don't mix codecs - instead use proxies, then you can even edit your footage on a potato that can run Skyrim too 😂
I've edited 4k on an AMD dual core laptop with 4GB of ram 🤷♂️ renderd at about half a frame a second but it worked
@@HaroldKuilmanwhat version of Davinci was that
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@@HaroldKuilman 4GB is the VRAM of GPU? or you use iGPU? thank you
Make proxies. Yesterday in my school was visited by an alumni who has been a reality tv editor for 20 years. He always does proxies. He also uses an intel macbook (2018) for cutting with 64gb ram and does well with it. He sees no reason to upgrade the laptop. He doesn't use davinci, he uses premier Pro.
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But why? just another step and annoying... if he does it as his job he should have up to date tools not something from 2018. I mean they can do want but doesn't make sense to me. I would never hire a professional editor with a laptop from 2018 that just screams you aren't serious. I think it is good that you don't need the best tools, just saying that if you are a professional editor you SHOULD have the best tools. Time is money.
@@JakeBaconDigital in reality tv show there can be like 17 hours of 4k material in timeline for one episode. Its easier to just use 720p versions of the same clips. Like color greyer or sound mixer dosen’t need the 4k to work they can see what happens on the 720p timeline. And he dosen’t even do the proxies, his edit assistant will do that.
@@JakeBaconDigital A bit short sighted to dismiss someone based only on gear. If you can't tell the vintage of his machine from the quality of his edits or his ability to stick to agreed timelines, does it matter that his tool of choice is not on the bleeding edge of every release cycle?
@@ettchaexactly. As long as it gets the job done within a professional amount of time and the final product comes how. I don't see the issue
My friend edited a whole feature film on his i5 laptop, of course with proxies. If you don't color grade with heavy effects, for editing you don't need a really powerful computer, spend the money on a good monitor or speed editor panel
I get that this was all on the basis of the motherboard that Asus provided and while the effort is already way beyond what a lot of other tech tubers do when it comes to production testing, I couldn't shake the feeling that I would have loved to see you try the same with an AMD based system in parallel. Not just CPU, but GPU as well. Of course this would have meant even higher costs, more machines, more combinations (Intel + NV, AMD + NV, AMD + AMD, Intel + AMD) and ultimately stalling the projects you actually had to work on for even longer. Therefore it's also very understandable that you kept it at this scope.
So all in all, great video, interesting perspectives and I think pretty crucial information for quite a few people out there! Looking forward to see this again in the future once ARM machines become more available / viable on Windows, you get access to AMD parts or even once there is the option to include the Apple Silicon devices in such a comparison! :)
Hi. Yes, time for sure constrained us a bit. Most of the computers we edit on are actually AMD (Threadrippers and Ryzen 9). A few years ago, it was a no brainer to choose AMD, but with the latest gen we've opted for Intel. As for GPUs we have not dared to try AMD as the support for Nvidia is just so much better, especially for the 3D work we do outside of Resolve.
I’m just saying…right now I switching between this channel and Corridor website daily. And I love it 😅 I love to watch channels/ companies that do similar stuff like I do, commercials, videos, films etc (not just UA-cam videos).
Love u guys ❤
The only reason I'd consider choosing a 4090 over a 3090 is power consumption. I think it was Asus website where I saw the 4090 though higher performance uses less ⚡🔌 when leaned on. I live in an area where electricity is pretty expensive and there's nothing for my PC to run 10-12 hours per day (except for Sunday) so maybe the reduced bill is justification for stepping up to 40 series.
Proxies are your friend!! The FX3 and FX6 make in camera proxies, and with Davinci linking the proxies automatically, it is a seemless workflow.
14:20 need more people to hear this. That’s fact, it always comes down to what codec are you editing on and build PC from there. I learnt my the hard way
I record everything in ProRes on a ninja V. You can edit 4k on a potato in prores... but you need to spend more on HDDs and stuff. Decent trade off imo.
Great video and i am in the process of buying hardware based on the recommendations ie. Rtx4090, 192GB Ram, intel i9. However, when i went to the computer store, they recommended the AMd Ryzen 9950x. They mentioned it has better performance than the i9 and also doesn't run as hot and doesn't draw as much current, what are your thoughts for me to replace the i9 with the 9950x in this build for da vinci resolve?
5950x user here. Just do it - won’t regret it :-)
You lose quick sync.
I did. Performs great so far
Make sure you have a good Mainboard.
A lot of people says PC is under MAC....is not, only if you use a crappy board.
I use a Ryzen 9 9950X with Nvidia MSI 4080 Super 16gb, 64 gb Ram, 2 x M3 disks AND an ASUS Rog Strix X670E Gaming motherboard.
The setup is cooled with a triple water cooler, powered by a Gold 1200W power.
Result? I have a crazy FPS in Resolve, even with 4K HEVC editing and Denoise and colorization live.
Cheers.
@geodrone7643 nice... Setup sounds so good
thank you, this was an awesome, informative video. I had previously watched Casey's video which you showed shorts from. I really appreciate your efforts. I love the comment about not needing a Christmas tree of lights....getting the job done professionally really counts. Thank you
Great video guys.
Here’s a great tip. The difference between the 3070 ti and 3080 ti on paper isn’t that big of a difference, but the reason why Resolve improved so much is because the 3070 ti has 8gb video memory (VRAM) and the 3080 ti has 12gb vram. I do know with resolve that 4k video is nearly impossible to do with an 8gb vram GPU. That’s why 12GB would be the minimum.
If you want to test this out. Open up your task manager. And in the performance page you can click on GPU and it will show you video memory usage. Especially when you apply color codecs and any of the new Ai tools, you will watch the VRAM get full pretty quick.
It’s interesting you showed an rtx 2060 in there which has 6gb vram and it struggled so much. Here would be a good test.
Go get an RTX 3060 with 12gb of vram.
And put it up against the RTX 4060 ti 16gb. The difference between these two GPUs on paper isn’t huge but I bet there’s a big difference because of the vram usage. I bet you one or both of those could potentially out do the 3070 ti.
Thanks for the video. Taste and preference are as known different.
My M1 Max Studio 32 Gpu cores have run smooth (full frames) for several years with many video layers, color correction, adjustment windows, NR, etc. It has been many years since I had a Mac computer that crashed. Almost always Prores files and mostly Resolve and Protools. I have worked on PCs, it was definitely not a pleasant experience. I am quite sure that it has been much more profitable to work on the Mac due to the greater productivity and the knowledge that I can concentrate 100% on the job.
Likewise. Will see the reviews of forthcoming M4 Max and second gen of Snapdragon Elite X with NPU… in 2025.
Meanwhile my M1 Max MBPro 32 GPU 32 GB is fine. Btw, laptop on the go & effective when unplugged ;)
Man the 40 series graphics cards are missing and its almost impossible to get a new 30 series card anymore.
I love Davinci Resolve, I am running the free version on Manjaro Linux with a Ryzen 5 4600G, RX 6600 and 16GB of ram. For the light to moderate workloads I do, it powers right through it like a hot knife through butter!
Threadripper here, 128gb, rtx3090, any project feels like a butter for me
@@UnchartedWorlds you sound cocky and stupid. There is no system in the world which will remain butter, I have no graphics card (External), and there fore learned so many workarounds, that you won't.
I would really like to see an Intel top of the line vs AMD threadripper comparison.
Surprising, but those are both going to be significantly slower that the i9-14th gen, They are not intended for video editing. Others have tested them. I know, crazy, a $6k is slower than a $600 CPU
THANK YOU!!! I've been waiting for exactly this type of video for a long time!
Great to see Casey. Learnt a lot from him.
I9 is the best CPU, no Defects. The I9 CPU form factor is the same CPU as the I7, I6, I5, I3 Etc. the only Difference is the lower you go the more Defects the chip has and rated accordingly. So, the Performance Suffers more on the lower chips. This is According to the chipmaker.
Funnily enough, AMD gpus actually work great with Resolve, especially if you are working with Fusion, the 7900XTX does a better job than a 4090.
But they don’t support the higher end h265 codecs.
@@frithjofschlesinger The intel IGPU will take care of that.
@@frithjofschlesinger most people are working with h.264
Guys I really love the effort you put into this!
Hi, great video! Thanks for all the effort you put into it!
I would be very interested to know about your workflow with DaVinci Resolve and After Effects. Which codecs you use and when, and also how you work with 3D software. Sharing your experience with us would be very interesting! :)
Also note to viewers
The information in the video is conflicting. So I'll make it easy to understand.
CPU is important. Slow CPU means slow system. Go with anything that has 6 cores or more. Anything released after 2021 is good enough. Ryzen is budget friendly and runs much cooler for even better performance. You don't need an i9. Or ryzen 9. Not for editing atleast. If you have the extra budget sure, but gpu comes first.
GPU is even more important. For davinci you are unfortunately pigeon holed into using Nvidia. Just get a 4070ti or better if you have the cash if not the 4060 should do. Unfortunately here, there's no diminishing returns the more you spend the more performance you get. I hate Nvidia's pricing.
RAM, use your task manager to see how much you need. For general editing purposes 32gb is more than enough. If shooting 8k or using a lot of fusion you should get 64gb. If you think you need more than that, this comment is not for you. Memory Speed isn't that important for editing. Try for atleast 5400mts tho. If not it's fine. Dw about it
Motherboard. Get a gigabyte motherboard. Unfortunately asus and msi have lost my trust. ASRock had some good boards but has also made bad boards. By elimination that leaves gigabyte. Hardware Unboxed does motherboard testing. Find one that suits your needs. A basic one costs been 150-200. Nicer ones go up to 300. If in doubt, ask. People often end up overspending wayy too much on motherboards. Ltt forums and pcmr are a good starting place.
Storage: get an nvme ssd from a reputable manufacturer. You NEED to check forums for this if you care about the exact speeds and tbw numbers since they keep changing components inside the ssds. But for general performance you can trust the manufacturers numbers.
Psu. Don't cheap out. 150 dollars can get you a great psu. Check out hardware busters website for a great list of PSUs.
That's it.
I remember wondering what builds you were using when I saw a GTX1070 or 1080 in the one epiosde.
It's crazy to see the comparisons, I can definitely feel my 16GB RAM and Core i5 holding me back. I'd assume my RTX3070 is doing the most work, but sometimes I can't edit at all once NR and Colorspace Transform is on 4k footage!
Looking forward to the scifi episode!!!!
Crazy content! Ty!
The bluescreening is definitely an intel 13th/14th gen issue.
A 12th gen intel CPU would definitely be more stable.
good time to look at that video. I figured quite quickly that my cpu being 12700k doens't need an upgrade. But I underestimated how much ram Davinci needs. My 32 gb are full in no time. I would need at least 64gb. For my vids optimized cache loads easily beyond 300gb on my disk. So having more ram would surely speed some stuff up. So for me it isn't about render speeds but playback in editing and stuff.
Heyy,
awesome video, thanks for the effort:))
Do you have any experience with MAC computers/laptops or mostly Win workflow?
Thanks! We have a Mac, but use mostly Windows as we need the customisability and upgradability. We also do a lot of 3D work in Blender and Virtual Production with Unreal where Macs are useless. If you do only editing Macs are great of course.
with apple's new silicon, it's a bit tricky because apple has put encoder inside (media engine) the chip which massively accelerates encoding and decoding like physical hardware encoders and Resolve has been rewritten to optimize that but it only works with handful of codecs, so if you aren't using those codecs, you are out of luck.
Great video VJUS Team!! Keep up the amazing work. Are you hiring??
hi Andyax i wouldn't mind having your old builds for my works tho if possible,
It wouldn't be wise to edit any large scale projects without proxies in my opinion. The only codec I would want to work in always is ProRes LT or proxy. 4k or 1080p.
4k if its something in which sharpness is critical such as product shots and such. 1080p is fine for documentary editing and such.
Once you get into any type of heavy effects, in which the GPU is really important, a 14900k 4090 setup is unbeatable today.
For everything else, with a ProRes proxy workflow, an Apple Silicon is a no brainer. It's quiet, it's smooth and it's incredibly reliable.
No matter how powerful these custom builds are, a powerful Mac will just work greatly. I hate mine for not being upgradable and all of the flaws that come with apple but it just works and will continue to do so.
Once your office will reach 30 degrees Celsius, all those 14900k with make the room even way hotter. Not being able to make ProRes proxies is also a pain on windows. All in all, I'd recommend a Mac to any film editor today.
You know windows works best with DNxHR Proxies right? That's the windows equivilent of prores
@@DigitalGenki ProRes all the way. It works much smoother across different platforms and multiple editors
The title should be ultimate productivity content creator builds
How much memory was on gpu's? 🤷♂️😊
Very informative process..... BRAVO
Hola, me hubiera gustado que hubieran incluido en el test un mac studio m2. Gracias
I'm five minutes into this video and they're still talking about themselves and not telling us, which is the best computer hardware. What the hell is wrong with these people?
Which GPU is better for postproduction: Quadro A4000/A5000 vs. RTX 4080/4090?
Very Nice Video. Helps a lot!❤
I´m editing on an Asus strix 3070 and 12700KF and 32GB RAM
It works - but could be better
This test has some loopholes. CPU with intel quick sync will decode 422 footage faster than 4090. This was not tested or not shared as a result.
Decoding doesn't say much about render times.
And when you say 422,I assume you refer to the h.265. You should not use that format on a timeline, if it can be avoided. And create proxies, if you have to.
@@akyhne rendering also is faster with dedicated chips like in intel quick sync that supports 422, unlike on 4090 that only supports 420. Yes, I meant h265. I am not being rude but I want to or have to for small projects, and proxies are smoother only aiding editing, like when you want to colour grade on original and to play back that in real-time, that's where quick sync will be useful. One of the youtuber tested it and confirmed it already.
@@SivalalRamakrishna I'd like to see a test that shows, a CPU can render faster, than a GPU.
I hope it's not Tech Notice you're talking about. He does a lot of errors in his tests. And although benchmarking can be nice, they are not really that helpful. There also seems to be a trend amongst those UA-camrs, that if you can't edit "natively" in real time on the timeline, you either needs to upgrade your PC, upgrade individual components or switch to another editor. Just enable proxies and/or cache. That's it! That's what the Hollywood editors do in large projects, even though they sit at computers costing a lot more, that what we, the regular users use.
@@akyhne There are dedicated chips inside a processor that can decode and ecode faster even than a gpu, search for intel quicksync. There are more scenarios than editing, like when your color grading consumer grade camera footage, that where proxy wont do any good
@@SivalalRamakrishna I know very well, what Quicksync is and it's in no way faster at encoding. And while it can be better at decoding, it's simply a question of optimization of the software.
As for color grading, you are totally wrong! Color grading takes next to no effort for a computer to do. It's the playback of the color grading that takes up resources. And I'm talking about professional software, more specifically DaVinci Resolve and not something like Premiere Pro. And in Resolve, on the color page, you can cache any node in your color grading. It's just a simple right-click on the very node.
Good info, Thanks.
Hi, would like to see the results from AMD against the current results:
My build for Davinci is:
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D, 64gig @ 4800, 2 x SSD 970 Evo 2TB, AMD Radeon RX7900XTX
Thanks
I think,, v-ram of the gpu matters on render time.. So , one experiment should also be done for same gpu and different v rams
A different way to deal with this topic would have been to contact Linus Tech Tips and ask him if he would run multiple test in his new "testing facility" ;)
Now, why would they?! Those guys don't know what they are doing!
Save your time and money. Get the Studio version and run it on a Mac. Seriously consider the new Mac M4 Mini.
Hello, for the ram, i was surprised that davinci don't use the ram for pre render the file or cache, but it writes these on disk. I have added ram (before 32 and now 96Giga) and resolve is not better with this add. So I had made a ramdisk and i set it to 16 or 32Giga and this is really a big improvement when you work in colour page, mix page. I just set the cache in the project to the ramdisk and that's all. The ramdisk is 2time faster than my best SSD NVMe. And working like this use really less disk that can be cool to the long live on the disk. What a petty that resolve don't use really the ram. Sorry for my terrible English, i'm French. It will be interesting if you can add for yourself and for us experience to test something like this too. My pc is a small one if I have a look at yours, and it is a AMD RYZEN 7 but i'm happy with it. davinci seem to working better thn the adobe product. Question, do you thinks taht a 3060 versus 2 with 12Gram or a 4060 with 8 gram are correct to use to? because the price off 3080 and 4080 is very high for me.
I’m running a ryzen 5 3600 which has 2 more cores than the i3 tester and is about 15% faster according to benchmarks. And an RTX 3050 8gb GPU. And I will say, 4k is really hard to work with. The only work around I have is to lower timeline resolution down to 720p. And when the video is done, change timeline resolution back to 4k. That’s the only way this GPU can actually handle that resolution and even then, it can get slow and big down a lot.
Why didn't you guys compared the "k" versions of i5 ad i7 with i9-14900k?
I mean k versions are overclocked and if on one side in i9-14900k, the other side should be i5-14900k or i7-14900k.
some neural features dont work on proxies
A bit naive from a hardware review standing point but a decent start for beginners I guess. 🤗
Can you suggest me one
Rtx 4070 or rx 7800xt
I'd like to know as well
Me ha ido bien con una:
Intel i9 14900k
ASUS TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI D4 LGA 1700
2- 32gb Ram
3- 2tb mv2
1- nvidia RTX 4080
Obviously this is awesome but would have been cool to see some Mac thrown in there and some AMD . But we all have our limits right. Maybe something for the future. One thing I want to mention that I found interesting. I have pretty high and billed from last Jan had it for a while. Ryzan 5900x 32gb at 3600hz with 3080 . It can still handle everything I throw at it and sometimes that's quite heavy. But what's strange is I also have middle of the pack MacBook 16 gb 500g ssd MacBook pro with the m1 pro chip . The PC is faster in every way when it comes to noise reduction and lots of fusion stuff going on the PC smokes it. However when it comes to magic mask in particular along with few other fusion functions surprisingly the Mac does better like quite a bit better. I know it's because of the neuro engines but it's just something to think about. And I'd love to see a comparison between more hardware. Maybe even running Linux lol because yeah we're stuck with Microsoft but God I hate Microsoft. Lol besides the point though. Really cool video would love to see more like it.
Also the Mac has those encoders which I know but until CPUs sort of have now too. Allowing me to get the basics of a cut or simpler edits done on the go. Making me really consider upgrading to a higher end laptop. But a dream of mine is to have something like a graphics card that goes into another pcie Lane that compliments the CPU and GPU just filled with encoders and NPU they can make it for the AI stuff but in my opinion or at least in my dream it'd be so cool if they made something like that that was specifically for editors and 3D artists. Anyway just throwing that out there in case somebody in Nvidia or AMD is reading it. Actually I think Intel had a plan like that at one time or similar to that.
Also I proxy everything lol
8:52 Does anyone know the title of the video?
So would you go for 3090 vs 4080 super to get the extra vram?
I would ge the 3090 if you can get it for the same price.
@morten.rustad about $100 cheaper new online in some places now. Not getting any issues with 8gb vram as my system is good at utilizing shared ram - but my 2080 super is the bottleneck of my threadripper system with 128gb ram. Use case is completely davinci resolve editing and color grading 4k footage, going to 6k shortly.
@@Lathrop_Media Yes, the 3090 is still a beast, and when doing higher resolution the vram comes in handy (and even completely necessary when doing 8k for certain effects as Resolve will crash otherwise)
@@morten.rustad I just downloaded some 6k braw 5:1 and it was defintely harder on the 2080 super than the 4k h.265 10 bit 422 from my R7, but no crashes! I think i would keep the 2080 super to drive my monitors and let the 3090 or 4080 super do the resolving!
IF only I found this video before I bought my PC 1 montth ago...
I got 4090 and I struggle to make it work well and based on your chart I could have saved quite a lot by just going with 4080.
1 thing I can say - HP Pre-built sucks.
It blocks my power mode and limits the perfomance of my PC.
It's not even using 100% of anything during render and it's super quiet.
Would love to see 4060ti, since it has 16GB VRAM for a much lower price
Note to viewers. Do not buy asus.
Faulty motherboards, non existent support and very slimy reps. I repeat, don't buy asus
Unless you have a lot of time and experience dealing with pc hardware, you aren't gonna be able to get a broken component fixed.
Gamers Nexus has a great piece on thr subject
Next time, just use the Puget Systems Resolve benchmark. No need to invent your own.
This is like a bottle of multivitamins thrown at a 200 gallon soup. Nutricious? Yes, you can call it that. Effective? Well, if you rock a hippopotamous stomach, then maybe? I rarely drop a negative comment, but, man... You made me realize I dislike content that is supposed to be informative, but is edited like a short film.
4080 super is basically the same as a 4090 as long as you get the i9 14900k your good.
This video is way too fancy for what it's trying to accomplish. I don't need to see the PC builder's struggles, or cinematic shots of the PCs, or all the unnecessary intro bits.
Most people here came to this video for the results of your tests, that's all.
Trying to build up the tension with lines like "is this worth risking our clients" is so pointless and comes off as cringe.
This next point is a bit of a nitpick but, why are the animations for your graphs so slow?? In fact, why is the video itself so slow? Everything feels so dragged out and the "story" you've given the video actually makes it much harder for viewers to understand the key takeaways.
I get that you're all film makers, but this is not how you make an effective informative video.
Wish i knew it would be only Intel and Nvidia tests before i watched this... Ofcourse the latest and greatest is faster within a brand
Now try the m3. 😉
Now, why would they? It demands special built monitors and is an entirely different ecosystem. And all Apple products are overpriced.
Macbook M3 MAX and go
👍👍👍
I try to avoid Asus at all costs due to a very bad experience with the company. When buying components, ensure the hardware hasn't been altered since the initial positive reviews. I usually prefer MSI for this reason.
My DaVinci build uses these components, with the CPU slightly undervolted to enhance performance and manage temperatures. I would also choose the Seagate Firecuda for its better Drive Writes Per Day (DWPD) rating of 0.70.
Intel Core i7-13700K
MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI
MSI GeForce RTX 4080 16GB GAMING X TRIO
G.Skill Ripjaws S5 F5-5600J2834F32GX2-RS5K (2 x 32GB)
Seagate FireCuda 530 4TB M.2 SSD
So what computer do I buy 🤣 thanks
me over here with my 2060 🥲
You guys still buy from Asus?
Of course 😊
Where is amd
Gone.
Far too much talking at the start. Going to find another video to watch
All this "effort" and you are finally "testing" 1 (ONE!) GPU Brand? hääää?
You do not need to test CPU or RAM at ALL, as the MSFT TaskManager can tell you exactly if you are short an that. Besides the fact that pretty much everyone knows that a good i5 or i7 is enough.
BUT: The MOST IMPORTANT THING IS: WHICH CODEC??? to which card! Intel iGPU can accelerate and work in conjunction with ARC! All depending on codec. In the beginning I saw a H264(!) export, which is a bad idea to begin with.
AMD GPUs can also work great - but in general Nvidea is a idea but wayyyy more expensive than Intel.
As you can image i skipped because it drove me too crazy. But:
It is sooo irrelevant if you tested 3 or 30 PC! You got to test right:
- first: Codec source vs codec final
- second: on BUDGET
I can build you a faster PC. Whatever you have I can build a faster one. The relevant factor is: PRICE
Like 1, 2 or 3 grant and within that budget the fastest machine running STUDIO Version to export H265 ....
This was laughable.
Now, please repeat this for the Mac Users :-)
Bruh...
Here's an idea: don't use a mac, they are more money for less performance :)
@@ltpinecone Lol ... Those machines presented here are not (!) low budget. If you take the Mac Mini's (M2 e.g.) at the moment, I am sure you are in a similar price range. Actually, @Andyax would you mind listing the 14 'total machine prices' !?
Lol color management on a Mac is a NIGHTMARE
@@MattMatheson Not if you know what you're doing
Buy a Mac bro
They need machines that work, not that you have to work on though (as I've sent 4 Mac's to get repaired in the last year)