Which is why I suspected from the start is the reason why Toranaga kept her in his castle in Edo, trying to buy some time in protecting the Heir and the Council of Regents. How he figured he'd handle his possible impeachment without the convenience of Anjin's appearance is something worth thinking about though, which I suspect might not be explored in the show.
Women have LOTS of behind the scenes power in this culture. They are the silent eyes and ears of their lords. They can manipulate them in subtle ways to get what they want. We have seen this already. The courtesan Kiku clearly tries to influence her lover Omi into somehow getting rid of Yabushige and taking over the clan. The Taiko's first wife, the one who is now a nun, tried to get Toranaga himself to go for the Shogunate, but he "denied" any thought of it, much like Julius Caesar kept telling people he didn't want to be sole ruler of Rome. Women are just as much players on this chess board as men are.
Show really makes you feel like blackthorn on how they treat life/death. It’s a tragedy. Also Fuji(consort) is a gem. Her reactions are hilarious and heartwarming. NEED more of her
If anything, I just watch the show because of her Somehow she got a hold of my heart and I can't shake it off She make me kneeling of my knees and begging for her mercy
That's true but also it shows to John that words have meanings over there and you can't just say anything and afterwards say that you didn't mean it like that.
@@M.Hiro79 so true. By not embracing the culture fully, Blackthorne inadvertently caused the death of that sweet old man. I'm glad he finally realized it was his own fault.
@M.Hiro79 in the book there is a scene that probably should have happened already where John finally starts to live by their rules and shows it in quite dramatic fashion. Since the time frame that the scene occurs in the book has come and gone I think the cut that scene but I hope they have moved it to a later episode because it shows that Blackthorne has really begun to understand the culture he's living in.
@@Its_fine_today You just described why it was a communication problem. What he intended his words to mean and what they interpreted them to mean were not the same.
The gardener wasn't killed because of Anjin, but because the spy samurai had to find someone else to take the blame. It is implied throughout the episode 1) at the beginning, gardener talks to spy guy quite openly, which implies they know each other and are on friendly terms 2) when the bird starts to rot, the spy guy goes close to look (with the gardener in background) (11:50 in the reaction), so he knows the punishment and the gardener actually says to him that 'you don't die from flies', meaning he doesn't really mind the rotting bird 3) they didn't say they caught him taking the bird away, but that he confessed to taking it From this we can assume, that the gardener offered himself as the 'decoy spy' for the spy guy and in order to avoid being tortured they used Anjin's threat of killing anyone who touches the bird, to give the gardener clean death
Its insane how well the were able to shoot the entire earthquake sequence. The way the earth moved like water and literally ate those men had me speechless.
And the landslide looked like the real thing, as there are plenty of vids everywhere documenting actual earthquakes and landslides. Whole mountainsides calving really is a terrifying thing to witness.
In the Hida region of Japan, there was a land ruled by the Uchigashima family. In 1586, an earthquake caused a landslide that buried most of the family, their retainers, and 500 of the territory's inhabitants in the earth, killing them. Traces of the Uchigashima clan's castle have not been found to this day because the topography has been drastically changed by the earthquake.
I guess it’s understandable that Westerners could not comprehend Buntaro’s apology. He didn’t recognise his behaviour as wrong (wife is property, you can do as you please). He only apologised for “disturbing your house’s harmony”. He didn’t respect Blackthorne either, he did that only because he respected the customs and values of Japan (guests must respect hosts). The meaning of the scene is that despite bowing to a barbarian who’s having your wive serving is extremely humiliating for Buntaro, he did that because he’s a samurai and had to follow the code of orders and respect.
Mariko is like a daughter of Judas Iscariot in Japanese history. Why the model of Mariko’s father betrayed his lord is one of the most popular historical mystery in japan.
Akechi Mitsuhide, watched some theories about it. Some said he did it perhaps out of personal gain but with reasonable circumstances like how Oda Nobunaga constantly mistreated him and was a brutal tyrant. Sadly we'll never know the true reason as he was hunted down and killed by Toyotomi and Tokugawa in less than a month after assasinating Oda.
To me it's probably one of, if not the best Historical series (maybe 2nd or tied with first season of Rome). But there are certainly better series imo.
@DelRico2x I hope not, I think Fuji likes Blackthorne but didn't want to become another servant for him.. he doesn't do that, he respects her privacy and wishes and I think that's maybe why he will end up with Fuji.
Mariko is a bit of a hypocrite and just stays in her own misery and will probably never break free to do what she wants and I think Blackthorne also realizes that and gave up.
What I think this episode goes to show is that sometimes all it takes it one or two episodes of an hour long runtime to sit down with your characters, develop them and get to know them and you can have a recipe for success on how to care for everything else going on around them. In this case that would be the earthquake at the end and the effects it had on the people and villages. Give your episodes time to breath without needing to feel like flare and excitement are needed all the time.
I think it really comes down to how well a show is paced. Two incredible animated shows, Over the Garden Wall and Infinity train, are able to tell a great narrative and flesh out the characters in only ten 10-11 minute episodes. Plenty of other shows are poorly paced and feel sluggish and/or rushed despite episodes being 30 minutes or even an 1.5 hours long. It's not about how much time is there, it's about how well the story is paced and how well it is written.
fuji sama's reaction when john slurps the noodles is the best bit of physical comedy in the show so far. then there's yabushige's constant surprise pikachu face whenever he tries to make sense of toranaga's words. I'm half convinced atp toranaga is playing yabushige just for the fun of seeing what kind of bs coming out of this guy's mouth.
It's a little strange for women to eat noodles in public during that era. The staple food was rice, but noodles were a "casual" and "manly" dish eaten with alcohol. According to the Portuguese missionary João Rodrigues' "History of the Japanese Church," Westerners were amazed at the amount of alcohol the Japanese consumed. They found it odd that Japanese would continue to drink a variety of alcoholic beverages from start to finish.
Little aside, but Fuji didn't kill the gardener. In the book and first show, it's shown. He took down the bird, walked to the beach accompanied by a samurai, and was beheaded there. He made the arrangements himself.
Um no, I don't know about the old show, but in the book the main servant of Blackthorn's house had a meeting with rest of servants about the bird, few people volunteered to do it, including the gardener, Gardener said he is not feeling well so he really wants to do it. So he did, after that he came to Fuji to tell what he did, she asked Mariko and Buntaro how to solve it now , they didn't know so she asked Toranaga, and he said it should be done Japanese way and told one of his samurais to do it.
Watching this show has made me realize that even though i watch a shit ton of anime, most of the fantasy i've consumed over the years was still pretty european-based/coded. When Uejiro died and they treated blackthorne's words so literally, it felt more fantastical and fictional to me than any dragon or magic i've seen in shows.
The book was one of the reasons I actually dove in to learn about Japan. Of course, this is 1600s customs and I bet there was plenty you wouldn't recognize about an accurate portrayal of European culture as well. But it is an awesome way of showing a very different value system. And completely without denigrating it.
I just know the world building of the show is good when it got me sad for a character's death that we barely see on screen, the gardeners death made me sad and we dont even see him often.
The model for Kuroda, the former shogun killed by Mariko's father, was Oda Nobunaga. According to historical fact, Oda Nobunaga's death was caused by his own suicide after being cornered by Mariko's father, but his body has never been found, making it one of the most famous mysteries in Japanese history!
@@mortimerc317Nobunaga (Goroda in the book/show) came before the Taiko, he was the first of the "Three Great Unifiers", the Taiko being the second, and Ieyasu/Toranaga the last. Nobunaga died before fully conquering Japan, he was however apparently planning on taking the title of Kampaku (regent, and the Taiko was technically a retired Kampaku) after finishing his conquests.
@@Nekotaku_TVthe gardener volunteered to die for the spy lmao… even then if that wasn’t the case it would be blackthorns fault not Fuji, Japan is a serious place
It was definitely Mariko who slept with Blackthorne last episode, and both Blackthorne and Fuji know it. They're all just winking at it and pretending it was a courtesan so Mariko isn't exposed. In the original series Buntaro beats Mariko because she won't sleep with him without being forced, but Mariko explains she does this on purpose. It's her revenge for not being allowed to commit seppuku with her family. Buntaro made her life miserable, so she makes him miserable in return. It's not exactly a healthy marriage.
Why didn't she take that control earlier if it's in her right? What weight did the Taikos wish for a council hold if she can legitimately just dismantled its mandate?
@@pizzafacemcbride3582- I think the heir’s mom is making her move now because the council is powerless without a 5th member and they can’t agree on a 5th replacement member
Also there is a historical equivalent in Japanese history that the people at that time would know of. Just look up the story of Hojo Masako aka, the Nun Shogun. She was the wife of the first Shogun of Japan and held immense power in the government once he died
The acting from sanada when he gets pulled from the dirt is just incredible...he looks like he is in shock..I love him in this as I did in the last samurai!
I love how this episode shows how much a simple word deserves respect. To John, he was just jokingly saying "if you touch this pheasant, you die" but since he has been given a higher status, his word carry meaning. To the gardener, his courtesan and everyone else serving him will take any simple ask from him as their duty, honor goes such a long way that the gardener took his own life despite being a spy. A lot of moments just hit so hard in this show but this entire episode hits hard, this is a top-tier show for sure.
Mariko's father killed Oda Nobunaga. Oda Nobunaga was the first unifier of Japan after the beginning of the warring states period and was basically Shogun. Hideyoshi, the dying Taiko in ep.2 was Oda's peasant retainer who climbed the ladder and became Taiko. Torunaga was a daimyo under Oda too. Basically Mariko's father killed the leader of all Japan at the time.
ARE YOU 100% SURE? N0BUNAGA WAS NEITHER CORRUPT NOR EVIL. I WOULD LIKE SOME VERIFICATION PLEASE, IF POSSIBLE, OF COURSE I WILL TRY TO RESEARCH IF MARIKO'S FATHER KILLED NOBUNAGA. (OR THE STAND IN CHARACTER'S FROM THE NOVEL)
@@MaxMaidiac-h5y Nobunaga was known for his bizarre behavior and was a cruel even by the standards of the day. Akechi Mitsuhide is Akechi Tama (Hosokawa Garasha, that is Mariko) father who is famous for being Nobunaga's "assassin."
Now that we've got Mariko's full backstory There is a Koan (poem) about the 3 real people that portrayed in this story about being given a bird that does not sing and what they would do with it Oda Nobunaga (Lord Karoda, the Mariko's father killed) says "Kill It" Toyotomi Hideyoshi (The Taiko) says "Coax it to sing" Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toronaga) says "Wait"
I was completely crushed thinking Fuji-yama may have been killed in the earthquake. So glad she wasn’t. Can totally see she and Anjin/Jonathan becoming closer. That dinner scene with Bunkaro and the sake and arrows was friggin intense! And the gardner subplot was absolutely devastating. This is getting right up there with GOT level political intrigue and suspense. Holy shit this show is great content.
i love how clever toranaga-sama is, i get so nervous when he calls people out to their face because i think he’ll get in trouble only to find out that he’s actually playing 4D chess. such a great character. on the other hand it’s also funny to see ishido constantly making mistakes. he uses the heir’s mother as a reason to impeach toranaga only to have her take control of the council of regents the moment she gets back 😅 man can’t catch a break the whole thing with the gardener made me so sad but i suppose it gives blackthorne a push to really mature in his role and greater purpose
The earthquake that occurs here is probably a reference to the Tensho Earthquake. In actual history, Ieyasu (Toranaga) won the Battle of Komaki Nagakute by an earthquake. Japanese history has always been influenced by earthquakes.
Game birds are typically very dry, so they are hung for a while before cleaning and cooking to age the meat. Also, at this point in time most Japanese would have been pescatarian or vegetarian, so eating any meat at all would have been strange to them, let alone some foreigner's weird rabbit soup or a bird that's been hanging up for days.
As a friend of mine noted , Lord Ishido said he'll risk his life for the Heir of the Throne , which gave the opportunity for the mother to manipulate it into saying "Do as i say to ensure safety of the throne" Very smart
My ears perked up the second I heard Calvin talking about Blackbeard. So I'll be patently waiting for you guys to watch "Our Flag Means Death" someday.
In the podcast (which I highly recommend btw!) one of the creators did say that Buntaro genuinely loves Mariko, that that is his one weakness, which is interesting because nothing he says or does points to that 😅😅
Well from what I've read from others comments on other videos, he treats her with disdain not just because of what her father had done, but because that was what was expected of him to do, he might have loved her before her father's treachery, as they were married before her father's death and that being the reason she's still alive at this point, she got out of it cause she was married to Buntaro, and then her reputation soured and he acts that he is soured on her.
The Japanese have the best beef n the world (they feed them beer and give them massages while being suspended from their bellies so their leg muscles don't get hard), so that's another thing you can't teach them. Their steaks and other grilled meats are excellent. However, the Portuguese taught them how to make tempura so that's one thing the Japanese learned from the West. Either Fuji executed Uejiro herself or had him executed because of Blackthorne saying "If touch-die" so she felt as mistress of the household, it was her duty to enforce the master's (Blackthorne) rule. Big case of miscommunication. Buntaro was apologizing for losing control (not for beating up Mariko) and I think was hoping that Blackthorne would kill him for disrespecting his house. His sitting down and bowing his head is a gesture of supplication and shows he would not defend himself if Blackthorne made a move. He probably has PTSD and just wanted to end his life. As samurai, he can't because his life is sworn to Toranaga.
Minor detail on the Honour Code: Aketchi Jinsai was serving directly under Kuroda-sama whom he killed. Thats why a straight laced, uptight, some would say narrow-minded samurai like Buntaro Toda would look at his legacy and his surviving daughter with disdain. I mean maybe there is love somewhere in there, or an order from somewhere higher up which compelled him to order her to live on, but at the very least, he was never really openly hostile towards Mariko, except when he’s drunk apparently.
He proved a point by apologizing, he was saying that he disturbed the harmony of the home due to him being drunk of sake, blaming sake was the reason he acted like that but that is not true, He intentionally beaten mariko, he is was fully aware what he was doing, as you can see how accurate his bow shots are when he is drunk af.
It's a way to apologize for acting out without losing face. He knows he has to apologize because he acted dishonorably, but he can't just admit to being a complete ass, so instead he blames the alcohol and both sides get something out of the interaction. Typical polite honour culture stuff.
Fuji is great in every episode but really went up another level in this one. Also Mariko with her shows of high emotion to folding herself inside the 8 fold fence becoming emotionleds... but Omi was scene stealing even with Blackthorne in the room... may not like his character yet the acting is A+
Although women are often portrayed as oppressed, this period was hard on men as well. The male head of the family had to take responsibility for everything in the family, which sometimes led directly to death. Men had to go to war frequently. It was something they could not escape for social reasons.
Nah Toranaga definitely plotted Uejiro’s death for sure, so that they won’t know who’s the spy. Toranaga sama is definitely a master on trickery, and he even said that a man should only trust himself.
I have watched the old show, and while not wanting to spoil anything, its pretty much the same. There are some differencies though. In the old show Blackthorne befriended the gardener more which made the death even harder for him. He also accepted Buntaros apology about blaming the sake.
I feel so sorry for Mariko:( she lost her entire family and is now trapped in an abusive marriage... Also I've been loving fuji a lot in this show. She's so sweet❤
Insane how quickly the tsunami followed that earthquake. It is little wonder if there is any army or village, and villagers left. Powerful episode in so many ways. Great reaction gents ✌️
i wanna put out there the idea that the gardener's execution for going against the lord's name isn't really something exclusive to japanese culture? yes, the context around it is steeped in japanese cultural norms and life views, BUT, a lowly servant would also get straight up executed in 1600s england if he touched a duke's property or sth
I think the heir’s mom is making a power play now because she knows the council or regents can’t do anything without a 5th member and Ishido and the Christian regents can’t agree on a 5th member because both sides both sides don’t want the other to have control over the council
I'm already sad that this is a limited series! It has everything it takes to be critically and commercially successful for many years. I could even see a spin-off series working. We don't get a lot of watercooler shows, and this could've been one for sure.
Buddhism was the traditional religion of Japan. So at that time, the Japanese usually only ate fish for animal protein. Other meats were considered forbidden and disgusting. That's why the Japanese wouldn't eat the rabbit stew nor the pheasant.
I am Japanese. Let me just add a little to your story. The Japanese of this period ate meat. Meat was not banned until after "toranaga=ieyasu". However, this was not enough protein, so they ate all but four-footed animals. I don't think they ate rotten meat. I think the diet of sailors in the Age of Discovery was miserable!
@@みんじゃす-z8b I know it wasn't banned, but people still thought it wasn't very good food, right? They ate it, but they wouldn't be proud of it, like John Blackthorne is about his rabbit stew.
In the Sengoku period, the meat of boars, pigs, deer,rabbit,dogs, cats, cranes, pheasants, etc. were eaten. Cattle and horses were less commonly eaten because they were valued as labor. However, in the Edo period, the culture of eating dogs declined under the influence of Shogun Tsunayoshi's ''Decree for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals''.
@@pizzafacemcbride3582I thought the same. The Gardener was killed for the pheasant, but then Toranaga’s spy saw an opportunity to come up with a fake spy without someone innocent getting killed for it.
@@pizzafacemcbride3582 Exactly. The ploy only works if killing commoners for things like this was common. It only works as a distraction if everyone else around looks at it and goes "Well, that figures". If it wasn't common, it wouldn't work as cover. And that is what really disturbs John. Death being so common and his words being treated so seriously. Doesn't matter if Toranaga also used it.
@@hafor2846 in previous show it was not even suggested it was spy related. And we saw before that John adires Uejiro. Many bonding scenes between them.
Back story: Mariko's father betrayed Lady Ochiba's father. She blames Toranaga. This is drawn from a real 16th century rumor that Togukawa Ieyasu somehow "incepted" Akechi Mitsuhide into betraying Oda Nobugana. Akechi then lost the battle with Toyotomi Hideyoshi who seized power and became Kampaku (Imperial Regent). He "retired" and became 'Taiko.'
I will use the names of Shogun: The death of Kuroda in the hands of Mariko's father somewhat made the country better, but Akechi committed an act of betrayal that even the Taiko and Toranaga, schemers of the highest caliber, wanted to kill him for. Kuroda was brutal but he was loved by most of his allies and retainers. Akechi's actions in a society who values honor would not go unpunished as Jaime's actions in GOT.
Buntaro is a broken man for sure. He and Mariko might even had an amicable marriage at one point, but turned to resent her after her father did what he did. The original 80's TV Buntaro was just straight up a scumbag, this new Buntaro is also a scumbag, but I'm glad that they gave him some depth this time.
This isn't from the source material, but in the official podcast for the show, they talk about how the looks between Toranaga and Ochiba before the Taiko's death are supposed to be REALLY tense, and show that Ochiba is not at all a fan of Toranaga.
I have a feeling the timestamp should say "Culinary Differences", not "Coronary". They talked about how different peoples have different foods, not different hearts.
Im so happy fuji wasnt dead from the Earthquake. Im calling it,everyone of Blackthornes men are dead. Mariko repeatedly is mistranlating his words when he brings it up. The reveal of the Spy being a hidden Samurai underneath Torunaga's service is a great twist as well. But John leaving a dead bird up for 7 days was so stupid,he shouldve thoroughly explained it through Mariko at some point.
Well if we're going through this by history, they ain't dead, they will make a treaty with Toranaga to trade with the dutch, allowed to go home and the eventual expulsion of the portuguese and the monopoly of the dutch east indies.
sorry, i'm slow, why did Toranaga give the cannons regiment to the person he trusts the least? is it because he and his cannons are in Yabushige's land? or does it have to do with the speech he gave to his son?
It has to do w the speech. He is trying to cause conflict between yabushige and his nephew. Its better if the two of them fight each other. Just like the speech he give to his son, "if u play them right, you make them do the hunting for you".
Also he sees both have great ambition… giving his nephew a position will gain loyalty with his son and also draw yabushige closer to his side as now his family is a warleader for toranaga… he knows this when toranaga calls yabushige out for playing both sides
The tree: Yoshi & Taiko & Akechi & Maeda & Ikeda = Boss - Goroda. Lady Ochibas mother > sister of Goroda. Goroda > fact > innovative/ first to fully use a firing squad or infantry line (guns)/ many enemies (entire Japan)/ burns corrupt religion (Ikko-Ikki). Yoshi > fact > at young age became hostage and meet young Goroda, later became long time friend/ badger. Taiko > fact > likes Gorodas sister/ commoner/ Monkey/ has the two great strategist, Takenaka & Kuroda. I'm bored
I think the bird incident was too extreme even at that time of Japan in reality. (I'm Japanese and a history fan of Sengoku-period btw.) What most likely to happen in reality would be that, Fuji would plead to blackthorn for the life of the gardener before actually killing him, explaining why he did that. Fuji has enough authority and position to do so toward blackthorn. And the gardener would be saved. The plot in the drama was too extreme. Japanese bushi at that time had a sense of strictly obeying to the rules, and of course the words of high ranking bushi had a huge weight by itself, but come on, they were not that irrational people. Usually, I think they had necessary conversations before deciding such matter. (It is just my personal view and I know there could be cases like that too though.)
The book has that in a few cases. When Yabushige gets trapped down at that cliff, he prepares to kill himself. They manage to bring rope and then one of his samurai jumps from the top of the cliff to his death. Just to alert Yabushige to the rope, which he previously ignored. It's almost comical. The book does a pretty good job of introducing a foreigner to the very strict honor code, but it does go too far sometimes. To be fair though, that's why the author renamed the characters. He wanted to have a bit of freedom in how they story pans out.
I get that Japan is a harsh country and you need to be strong to live there, ESPECIALLY with the earthquakes! I just can’t get over how ancient Japanese culture had such respect for death while having very little respect for life. I mean for fuck’s sake, they believed that it was honorable for a man to kill his infant child and then himself because he disrespected his lord!
In feudal Europe, there was all sorts of murder going on. Scotland particularly stands out. Look at all the murder in the name of religion. 1700 Europe had its own forms of barbarity. That is why, when people make mouth noises about how terrible our modern societies are, they have no idea about what the past actually was like everywhere.
In fact, there is a deep and long context. Bloodlines were very important to that society. In this day and age, a child is "just a child," but in that era, a child would be a bloodline, a symbol of family lineage, and a political object.
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Fuji must be protected at all costs. She’s my precious lady.
And always gives a masterclass in facial expression and non verbal communication and acting
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Fuji or Fujiko as she is known in the book is my favorite female character. I even like her more than Mariko.
The Actor with her facial expressions, she is very good. But I agree Protect Fuji at all cost
Fuji is my live action waifu. Don't touch her!
The actress who plays fujisama continues to stun me every week with her nonverbal acting … she’s able to steal scenes where she has very few lines
Including no lines at all!
she is sooo good!
The heir’s mother feels like a straight anime villain
Which is why I suspected from the start is the reason why Toranaga kept her in his castle in Edo, trying to buy some time in protecting the Heir and the Council of Regents.
How he figured he'd handle his possible impeachment without the convenience of Anjin's appearance is something worth thinking about though, which I suspect might not be explored in the show.
She is the Cersei Lannister
Her voice even sounds like one
Women have LOTS of behind the scenes power in this culture. They are the silent eyes and ears of their lords. They can manipulate them in subtle ways to get what they want. We have seen this already. The courtesan Kiku clearly tries to influence her lover Omi into somehow getting rid of Yabushige and taking over the clan. The Taiko's first wife, the one who is now a nun, tried to get Toranaga himself to go for the Shogunate, but he "denied" any thought of it, much like Julius Caesar kept telling people he didn't want to be sole ruler of Rome. Women are just as much players on this chess board as men are.
@@kharilane1340this culture? 😂
Show really makes you feel like blackthorn on how they treat life/death. It’s a tragedy. Also Fuji(consort) is a gem. Her reactions are hilarious and heartwarming. NEED more of her
If anything, I just watch the show because of her
Somehow she got a hold of my heart and I can't shake it off
She make me kneeling of my knees and begging for her mercy
That scene with the pistols a few episodes ago was gold
That's true but also it shows to John that words have meanings over there and you can't just say anything and afterwards say that you didn't mean it like that.
@@M.Hiro79 so true. By not embracing the culture fully, Blackthorne inadvertently caused the death of that sweet old man. I'm glad he finally realized it was his own fault.
@M.Hiro79 in the book there is a scene that probably should have happened already where John finally starts to live by their rules and shows it in quite dramatic fashion. Since the time frame that the scene occurs in the book has come and gone I think the cut that scene but I hope they have moved it to a later episode because it shows that Blackthorne has really begun to understand the culture he's living in.
The death of the gardener hit me the most. Communication barrier proves problematic long time ago.
But the death of the gardener wasnt actually for moving the pheasant, but a necessary ploy by torinaga sama to make the "spy" seem like he was dead
@@Its_fine_today You just described why it was a communication problem. What he intended his words to mean and what they interpreted them to mean were not the same.
The gardener wasn't killed because of Anjin, but because the spy samurai had to find someone else to take the blame. It is implied throughout the episode
1) at the beginning, gardener talks to spy guy quite openly, which implies they know each other and are on friendly terms
2) when the bird starts to rot, the spy guy goes close to look (with the gardener in background) (11:50 in the reaction), so he knows the punishment and the gardener actually says to him that 'you don't die from flies', meaning he doesn't really mind the rotting bird
3) they didn't say they caught him taking the bird away, but that he confessed to taking it
From this we can assume, that the gardener offered himself as the 'decoy spy' for the spy guy and in order to avoid being tortured they used Anjin's threat of killing anyone who touches the bird, to give the gardener clean death
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Doesn't really matter for John though. He feels the entire idea that this is even concievable, even if only as a ploy, is weird.
_England must truly be a great realm, Master Blackthorne, where gardeners are held in high honor._
Its insane how well the were able to shoot the entire earthquake sequence. The way the earth moved like water and literally ate those men had me speechless.
Dune quality. This show is awesome.
And the landslide looked like the real thing, as there are plenty of vids everywhere documenting actual earthquakes and landslides. Whole mountainsides calving really is a terrifying thing to witness.
In the Hida region of Japan, there was a land ruled by the Uchigashima family. In 1586, an earthquake caused a landslide that buried most of the family, their retainers, and 500 of the territory's inhabitants in the earth, killing them.
Traces of the Uchigashima clan's castle have not been found to this day because the topography has been drastically changed by the earthquake.
@@alcor4670I experienced an earthquake like this in Morocco Last year seeing this all of a sudden in the show had me traumatized
@@MichalKaczorowski Yep, i have to say we're being treated really good with the quality of media these days
I guess it’s understandable that Westerners could not comprehend Buntaro’s apology. He didn’t recognise his behaviour as wrong (wife is property, you can do as you please). He only apologised for “disturbing your house’s harmony”. He didn’t respect Blackthorne either, he did that only because he respected the customs and values of Japan (guests must respect hosts). The meaning of the scene is that despite bowing to a barbarian who’s having your wive serving is extremely humiliating for Buntaro, he did that because he’s a samurai and had to follow the code of orders and respect.
Fuji best girl
WTH?
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She is a perfect cherry blossom!!!
Mariko is like a daughter of Judas Iscariot in Japanese history.
Why the model of Mariko’s father betrayed his lord is one of the most popular historical mystery in japan.
Akechi Mitsuhide, watched some theories about it. Some said he did it perhaps out of personal gain but with reasonable circumstances like how Oda Nobunaga constantly mistreated him and was a brutal tyrant. Sadly we'll never know the true reason as he was hunted down and killed by Toyotomi and Tokugawa in less than a month after assasinating Oda.
this show in just 5 episodes may have already become my favourite show of all time
To me it's probably one of, if not the best Historical series (maybe 2nd or tied with first season of Rome). But there are certainly better series imo.
Anjiin and Fuji? I'm so down for that, she looks at him with such admiration 🥹
Yea but unfortunately I think he’s gonna end up with mariko
@@DelRico2x lol
@DelRico2x I hope not, I think Fuji likes Blackthorne but didn't want to become another servant for him.. he doesn't do that, he respects her privacy and wishes and I think that's maybe why he will end up with Fuji.
Mariko is a bit of a hypocrite and just stays in her own misery and will probably never break free to do what she wants and I think Blackthorne also realizes that and gave up.
@@Jay_NSG idk I think she listens to blackthorn and seek freedom and they live happily ever after.
What I think this episode goes to show is that sometimes all it takes it one or two episodes of an hour long runtime to sit down with your characters, develop them and get to know them and you can have a recipe for success on how to care for everything else going on around them. In this case that would be the earthquake at the end and the effects it had on the people and villages. Give your episodes time to breath without needing to feel like flare and excitement are needed all the time.
I think it really comes down to how well a show is paced. Two incredible animated shows, Over the Garden Wall and Infinity train, are able to tell a great narrative and flesh out the characters in only ten 10-11 minute episodes.
Plenty of other shows are poorly paced and feel sluggish and/or rushed despite episodes being 30 minutes or even an 1.5 hours long.
It's not about how much time is there, it's about how well the story is paced and how well it is written.
@@arbitrary_thoughts that’s fair, but you can’t also discount the importance of runtime
Exactly. It's like the difference between taking the time to decant a fine wine as opposed to chugging it.
fuji sama's reaction when john slurps the noodles is the best bit of physical comedy in the show so far. then there's yabushige's constant surprise pikachu face whenever he tries to make sense of toranaga's words. I'm half convinced atp toranaga is playing yabushige just for the fun of seeing what kind of bs coming out of this guy's mouth.
not just for fun, he's trying to make the dude and his nephew turn against each other
It's a little strange for women to eat noodles in public during that era. The staple food was rice, but noodles were a "casual" and "manly" dish eaten with alcohol. According to the Portuguese missionary João Rodrigues' "History of the Japanese Church," Westerners were amazed at the amount of alcohol the Japanese consumed. They found it odd that Japanese would continue to drink a variety of alcoholic beverages from start to finish.
Little aside, but Fuji didn't kill the gardener. In the book and first show, it's shown. He took down the bird, walked to the beach accompanied by a samurai, and was beheaded there. He made the arrangements himself.
Um no, I don't know about the old show, but in the book the main servant of Blackthorn's house had a meeting with rest of servants about the bird, few people volunteered to do it, including the gardener, Gardener said he is not feeling well so he really wants to do it. So he did, after that he came to Fuji to tell what he did, she asked Mariko and Buntaro how to solve it now , they didn't know so she asked Toranaga, and he said it should be done Japanese way and told one of his samurais to do it.
Watching this show has made me realize that even though i watch a shit ton of anime, most of the fantasy i've consumed over the years was still pretty european-based/coded. When Uejiro died and they treated blackthorne's words so literally, it felt more fantastical and fictional to me than any dragon or magic i've seen in shows.
Cause, it feels foreign or out of this world does it? 😅
The book was one of the reasons I actually dove in to learn about Japan.
Of course, this is 1600s customs and I bet there was plenty you wouldn't recognize about an accurate portrayal of European culture as well. But it is an awesome way of showing a very different value system. And completely without denigrating it.
They're modern-values-based.
Modern Japan isn't the same as feudal Japan.
I just know the world building of the show is good when it got me sad for a character's death that we barely see on screen, the gardeners death made me sad and we dont even see him often.
The model for Kuroda, the former shogun killed by Mariko's father, was Oda Nobunaga. According to historical fact, Oda Nobunaga's death was caused by his own suicide after being cornered by Mariko's father, but his body has never been found, making it one of the most famous mysteries in Japanese history!
I bet he went to Argentina. No body no death.
His castle burnt down
Shogun? I thought they said he was Taiko
So Mariko's father was Mitsuhide? I thought Mitsuhide led to Nobunaga killing himself? Maybe I am mistaken.
@@mortimerc317Nobunaga (Goroda in the book/show) came before the Taiko, he was the first of the "Three Great Unifiers", the Taiko being the second, and Ieyasu/Toranaga the last. Nobunaga died before fully conquering Japan, he was however apparently planning on taking the title of Kampaku (regent, and the Taiko was technically a retired Kampaku) after finishing his conquests.
fuji is the mvp of this episode. moeka hoshi is damn beautiful
Yeah, she cute
What!? She made the gardener die...
@@Nekotaku_TVthe gardener volunteered to die for the spy lmao… even then if that wasn’t the case it would be blackthorns fault not Fuji, Japan is a serious place
It was definitely Mariko who slept with Blackthorne last episode, and both Blackthorne and Fuji know it. They're all just winking at it and pretending it was a courtesan so Mariko isn't exposed.
In the original series Buntaro beats Mariko because she won't sleep with him without being forced, but Mariko explains she does this on purpose. It's her revenge for not being allowed to commit seppuku with her family. Buntaro made her life miserable, so she makes him miserable in return. It's not exactly a healthy marriage.
44:41 She’s a queen mother of Japan at this point, like Cersei. She can do whatever she wants.
Why didn't she take that control earlier if it's in her right? What weight did the Taikos wish for a council hold if she can legitimately just dismantled its mandate?
I mean, she's like Cersei if GoT was written by competent people. She is a very powerful person, but she can't just randomly do whatever she wants.
@@pizzafacemcbride3582- I think the heir’s mom is making her move now because the council is powerless without a 5th member and they can’t agree on a 5th replacement member
Also there is a historical equivalent in Japanese history that the people at that time would know of. Just look up the story of Hojo Masako aka, the Nun Shogun. She was the wife of the first Shogun of Japan and held immense power in the government once he died
Cercie didn't randomly do what she wanted.@hafor2846
Fuji-sama's facial expression is top notch
The acting from sanada when he gets pulled from the dirt is just incredible...he looks like he is in shock..I love him in this as I did in the last samurai!
I love how this episode shows how much a simple word deserves respect. To John, he was just jokingly saying "if you touch this pheasant, you die" but since he has been given a higher status, his word carry meaning. To the gardener, his courtesan and everyone else serving him will take any simple ask from him as their duty, honor goes such a long way that the gardener took his own life despite being a spy. A lot of moments just hit so hard in this show but this entire episode hits hard, this is a top-tier show for sure.
Mariko's father killed Oda Nobunaga. Oda Nobunaga was the first unifier of Japan after the beginning of the warring states period and was basically Shogun. Hideyoshi, the dying Taiko in ep.2 was Oda's peasant retainer who climbed the ladder and became Taiko. Torunaga was a daimyo under Oda too. Basically Mariko's father killed the leader of all Japan at the time.
Of course you mean the character is a stand in for Oda Nobunaga, the real person, just as Toranaga is a stand in for Tokugawa Ieyasu.
@@Rabbithole8 "Goroda" I think is the stand-in name in the book.
@@MichaelCorryFilms That's right!
ARE YOU 100% SURE? N0BUNAGA WAS NEITHER CORRUPT NOR EVIL. I WOULD LIKE SOME VERIFICATION PLEASE, IF POSSIBLE, OF COURSE I WILL TRY TO RESEARCH IF MARIKO'S FATHER KILLED NOBUNAGA. (OR THE STAND IN CHARACTER'S FROM THE NOVEL)
@@MaxMaidiac-h5y Nobunaga was known for his bizarre behavior and was a cruel even by the standards of the day. Akechi Mitsuhide is Akechi Tama (Hosokawa Garasha, that is Mariko) father who is famous for being Nobunaga's "assassin."
This show is something else
cinematography, sfx/music, and dialouges👌
Half way point of the season baby!
I don't want this show to end :(
No Filler please 😢.
@@Piensamalyacertaras It's based on a novel. Why would there be filler?
@@kivimik one can only hope.
I want to see the Osaka winter camp and the Osaka summer camp with the current cast. It will be the best drama of this century.
Now that we've got Mariko's full backstory
There is a Koan (poem) about the 3 real people that portrayed in this story about being given a bird that does not sing and what they would do with it
Oda Nobunaga (Lord Karoda, the Mariko's father killed) says "Kill It"
Toyotomi Hideyoshi (The Taiko) says "Coax it to sing"
Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toronaga) says "Wait"
I was completely crushed thinking Fuji-yama may have been killed in the earthquake. So glad she wasn’t. Can totally see she and Anjin/Jonathan becoming closer. That dinner scene with Bunkaro and the sake and arrows was friggin intense! And the gardner subplot was absolutely devastating.
This is getting right up there with GOT level political intrigue and suspense. Holy shit this show is great content.
i love how clever toranaga-sama is, i get so nervous when he calls people out to their face because i think he’ll get in trouble only to find out that he’s actually playing 4D chess. such a great character.
on the other hand it’s also funny to see ishido constantly making mistakes. he uses the heir’s mother as a reason to impeach toranaga only to have her take control of the council of regents the moment she gets back 😅 man can’t catch a break
the whole thing with the gardener made me so sad but i suppose it gives blackthorne a push to really mature in his role and greater purpose
Man didn't know Toranaga was holding her in Edo for their protection
The earthquake that occurs here is probably a reference to the Tensho Earthquake. In actual history, Ieyasu (Toranaga) won the Battle of Komaki Nagakute by an earthquake. Japanese history has always been influenced by earthquakes.
i am obsessed with this show to the point of waking up in the morning to get up and wanting to check on how Fuji is recovering,.. man...
Game birds are typically very dry, so they are hung for a while before cleaning and cooking to age the meat. Also, at this point in time most Japanese would have been pescatarian or vegetarian, so eating any meat at all would have been strange to them, let alone some foreigner's weird rabbit soup or a bird that's been hanging up for days.
当時の日本では四脚の動物を食べることは野蛮とされていました。
鳥と魚は問題ありません。
しかし、熟成肉の文化はありませんでした。当時の日本人としては、鳥を吊るして腐らせるという行為は、黒魔術のように感じられたと思います。
Toranaga: "I'm a dozen steps ahead of everyone. I know how to play these chucklenuts ohohoho..."
Earthquake: "Meh f***k your plans"
Only 5 episodes left 😥, I love this show, the writing is amazing.
As a friend of mine noted , Lord Ishido said he'll risk his life for the Heir of the Throne , which gave the opportunity for the mother to manipulate it into saying "Do as i say to ensure safety of the throne"
Very smart
I love this show more and more every week! This episode has so much to incover
This show is perfect imo
Completely without flaw, I love it
Ochiba is basically Japanese Cersei.
My ears perked up the second I heard Calvin talking about Blackbeard. So I'll be patently waiting for you guys to watch "Our Flag Means Death" someday.
Never point your hashi towards a Japanese person during a meal like John did 14:02
In the podcast (which I highly recommend btw!) one of the creators did say that Buntaro genuinely loves Mariko, that that is his one weakness, which is interesting because nothing he says or does points to that 😅😅
Well from what I've read from others comments on other videos, he treats her with disdain not just because of what her father had done, but because that was what was expected of him to do, he might have loved her before her father's treachery, as they were married before her father's death and that being the reason she's still alive at this point, she got out of it cause she was married to Buntaro, and then her reputation soured and he acts that he is soured on her.
So much happened this episode, so damn good.
The Japanese have the best beef n the world (they feed them beer and give them massages while being suspended from their bellies so their leg muscles don't get hard), so that's another thing you can't teach them. Their steaks and other grilled meats are excellent.
However, the Portuguese taught them how to make tempura so that's one thing the Japanese learned from the West.
Either Fuji executed Uejiro herself or had him executed because of Blackthorne saying "If touch-die" so she felt as mistress of the household, it was her duty to enforce the master's (Blackthorne) rule. Big case of miscommunication.
Buntaro was apologizing for losing control (not for beating up Mariko) and I think was hoping that Blackthorne would kill him for disrespecting his house. His sitting down and bowing his head is a gesture of supplication and shows he would not defend himself if Blackthorne made a move. He probably has PTSD and just wanted to end his life. As samurai, he can't because his life is sworn to Toranaga.
to put it in context effectively Mariko's father is the Jaime Lannister, the kingslayer
Minor detail on the Honour Code:
Aketchi Jinsai was serving directly under Kuroda-sama whom he killed.
Thats why a straight laced, uptight, some would say narrow-minded samurai like Buntaro Toda would look at his legacy and his surviving daughter with disdain. I mean maybe there is love somewhere in there, or an order from somewhere higher up which compelled him to order her to live on, but at the very least, he was never really openly hostile towards Mariko, except when he’s drunk apparently.
He proved a point by apologizing, he was saying that he disturbed the harmony of the home due to him being drunk of sake, blaming sake was the reason he acted like that but that is not true, He intentionally beaten mariko, he is was fully aware what he was doing, as you can see how accurate his bow shots are when he is drunk af.
It's a way to apologize for acting out without losing face. He knows he has to apologize because he acted dishonorably, but he can't just admit to being a complete ass, so instead he blames the alcohol and both sides get something out of the interaction.
Typical polite honour culture stuff.
Wow what an episode! ♥
Game is hung and aged before cleaning. Rabbit stew, in those days, used a hung rabbit and was thickened with the internal organs and blood.
i love samurai ❤❤❤
Please review Tokyo Vice too. If you like Shogun then you’ll love that show!
Fuji is great in every episode but really went up another level in this one. Also Mariko with her shows of high emotion to folding herself inside the 8 fold fence becoming emotionleds... but Omi was scene stealing even with Blackthorne in the room... may not like his character yet the acting is A+
Look how Lord Ishido is scared shirtless by Lady Ochiba.
The crew: lol "touch the pheasant and die!" haha
me: oh boy
The crew: (about Buntaro and John) They're gonna be best friends!
me: OHHH BOY
Although women are often portrayed as oppressed, this period was hard on men as well. The male head of the family had to take responsibility for everything in the family, which sometimes led directly to death.
Men had to go to war frequently. It was something they could not escape for social reasons.
Game Of Thrones would have been a completely different story had the Kingslayer been treated like Mariko's dad 🤔
8:44 yeah, yeah laugh it up 😢
man already planning for a plan of a plan
Nah Toranaga definitely plotted Uejiro’s death for sure, so that they won’t know who’s the spy.
Toranaga sama is definitely a master on trickery, and he even said that a man should only trust himself.
I have watched the old show, and while not wanting to spoil anything, its pretty much the same. There are some differencies though. In the old show Blackthorne befriended the gardener more which made the death even harder for him. He also accepted Buntaros apology about blaming the sake.
I feel so sorry for Mariko:( she lost her entire family and is now trapped in an abusive marriage...
Also I've been loving fuji a lot in this show. She's so sweet❤
Insane how quickly the tsunami followed that earthquake. It is little wonder if there is any army or village, and villagers left. Powerful episode in so many ways. Great reaction gents ✌️
i wanna put out there the idea that the gardener's execution for going against the lord's name isn't really something exclusive to japanese culture? yes, the context around it is steeped in japanese cultural norms and life views, BUT, a lowly servant would also get straight up executed in 1600s england if he touched a duke's property or sth
People who haven't seen the original: Oh weird, he's hanging up a bird.
People who have seen the original: 😬
Yeah, the scene was a bit more “intense” in the original 😮
Calvin's look at 4:55 LMAO
be sure to watch the old one after this series is over, theres far more context in it however there is some in this thats also not in that one lol.
No body - no dead gardener.
38:06 They wouldn't have corn either. That's from the western hemisphere.
I think the heir’s mom is making a power play now because she knows the council or regents can’t do anything without a 5th member and Ishido and the Christian regents can’t agree on a 5th member because both sides both sides don’t want the other to have control over the council
Love ya’lls reaction 👍🏼
Who knows maybe Fuji will warm up to him a little more now than he came back to see if she was alright
I'm already sad that this is a limited series! It has everything it takes to be critically and commercially successful for many years. I could even see a spin-off series working.
We don't get a lot of watercooler shows, and this could've been one for sure.
I'm glad it's limited. I just hope they do James Clavells other novels next.
Noble house could be multiple seasons.
Damn i thought the culture shock phase has ended for John,and the rotting bird came up,dammit
Buddhism was the traditional religion of Japan. So at that time, the Japanese usually only ate fish for animal protein. Other meats were considered forbidden and disgusting. That's why the Japanese wouldn't eat the rabbit stew nor the pheasant.
I am Japanese. Let me just add a little to your story.
The Japanese of this period ate meat.
Meat was not banned until after "toranaga=ieyasu".
However, this was not enough protein, so they ate all but four-footed animals.
I don't think they ate rotten meat.
I think the diet of sailors in the Age of Discovery was miserable!
@@みんじゃす-z8b
I know it wasn't banned, but people still thought it wasn't very good food, right?
They ate it, but they wouldn't be proud of it, like John Blackthorne is about his rabbit stew.
In the Sengoku period, the meat of boars, pigs, deer,rabbit,dogs, cats, cranes, pheasants, etc. were eaten.
Cattle and horses were less commonly eaten because they were valued as labor.
However, in the Edo period, the culture of eating dogs declined under the influence of Shogun Tsunayoshi's ''Decree for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals''.
the death of the gardener wasnt actually for moving the pheasant, but a necessary ploy by torinaga sama to make the "spy" seem like he was dead
Can't it be both?
@@pizzafacemcbride3582I thought the same. The Gardener was killed for the pheasant, but then Toranaga’s spy saw an opportunity to come up with a fake spy without someone innocent getting killed for it.
@@pizzafacemcbride3582
Exactly. The ploy only works if killing commoners for things like this was common.
It only works as a distraction if everyone else around looks at it and goes "Well, that figures". If it wasn't common, it wouldn't work as cover.
And that is what really disturbs John. Death being so common and his words being treated so seriously. Doesn't matter if Toranaga also used it.
@@hafor2846 in previous show it was not even suggested it was spy related. And we saw before that John adires Uejiro. Many bonding scenes between them.
@@damesayo4656
Yeah, same in the books. It's a pretty pivotal moment for John and isn't related to the spy at all.
incredible show so far!!! im starting black sails right after binging shogun, heard its really good too so 2 banger shows back to back!
Loved your reaction as always💗
You should check out society of the snow, i would love to hear what you have to say about that one
Back story: Mariko's father betrayed Lady Ochiba's father. She blames Toranaga.
This is drawn from a real 16th century rumor that Togukawa Ieyasu somehow "incepted" Akechi Mitsuhide into betraying Oda Nobugana. Akechi then lost the battle with Toyotomi Hideyoshi who seized power and became Kampaku (Imperial Regent). He "retired" and became 'Taiko.'
Mariko slept with Blackthorne. She's just using the term courtesan to be coy in a sense. Can't really go around openly saying she slept with him.
14:09 that shocked face that they made is because of just how disrespectful it is to pour your first drink of sake for yourself on your own.
They didn't recognize the tsunami that followed the quake. That's unthinkable if you were born and raised in Japan.
Seriously, man, I thought that was Jason Momoa when the video started.
I will use the names of Shogun: The death of Kuroda in the hands of Mariko's father somewhat made the country better, but Akechi committed an act of betrayal that even the Taiko and Toranaga, schemers of the highest caliber, wanted to kill him for. Kuroda was brutal but he was loved by most of his allies and retainers. Akechi's actions in a society who values honor would not go unpunished as Jaime's actions in GOT.
*looks at head* well, maybe it's just one of these fancy cakes, let's cut i- ah no it's a head...
Buntaro is a broken man for sure. He and Mariko might even had an amicable marriage at one point, but turned to resent her after her father did what he did. The original 80's TV Buntaro was just straight up a scumbag, this new Buntaro is also a scumbag, but I'm glad that they gave him some depth this time.
This isn't from the source material, but in the official podcast for the show, they talk about how the looks between Toranaga and Ochiba before the Taiko's death are supposed to be REALLY tense, and show that Ochiba is not at all a fan of Toranaga.
that whole dinner scene was next level uncomfortable
Netflix and pillow? 😉
33:53 mom is trying to pull a Cersei
I have a feeling the timestamp should say "Culinary Differences", not "Coronary". They talked about how different peoples have different foods, not different hearts.
Im so happy fuji wasnt dead from the Earthquake.
Im calling it,everyone of Blackthornes men are dead. Mariko repeatedly is mistranlating his words when he brings it up.
The reveal of the Spy being a hidden Samurai underneath Torunaga's service is a great twist as well.
But John leaving a dead bird up for 7 days was so stupid,he shouldve thoroughly explained it through Mariko at some point.
Well if we're going through this by history, they ain't dead, they will make a treaty with Toranaga to trade with the dutch, allowed to go home and the eventual expulsion of the portuguese and the monopoly of the dutch east indies.
sorry, i'm slow, why did Toranaga give the cannons regiment to the person he trusts the least? is it because he and his cannons are in Yabushige's land? or does it have to do with the speech he gave to his son?
It has to do w the speech. He is trying to cause conflict between yabushige and his nephew. Its better if the two of them fight each other. Just like the speech he give to his son, "if u play them right, you make them do the hunting for you".
@@pillowbear143 AHHHHHH i see he is cooking something
Also he sees both have great ambition… giving his nephew a position will gain loyalty with his son and also draw yabushige closer to his side as now his family is a warleader for toranaga… he knows this when toranaga calls yabushige out for playing both sides
@@suyyrep
You see it immediately with Yabushige shouting at Omi. Toranaga knows exactly what he's doing here.
The tree: Yoshi & Taiko & Akechi & Maeda & Ikeda = Boss - Goroda.
Lady Ochibas mother > sister of Goroda.
Goroda > fact > innovative/ first to fully use a firing squad or infantry line (guns)/ many enemies (entire Japan)/ burns corrupt religion (Ikko-Ikki).
Yoshi > fact > at young age became hostage and meet young Goroda, later became long time friend/ badger.
Taiko > fact > likes Gorodas sister/ commoner/ Monkey/ has the two great strategist, Takenaka & Kuroda.
I'm bored
I think the bird incident was too extreme even at that time of Japan in reality. (I'm Japanese and a history fan of Sengoku-period btw.)
What most likely to happen in reality would be that, Fuji would plead to blackthorn for the life of the gardener before actually killing him, explaining why he did that. Fuji has enough authority and position to do so toward blackthorn. And the gardener would be saved. The plot in the drama was too extreme. Japanese bushi at that time had a sense of strictly obeying to the rules, and of course the words of high ranking bushi had a huge weight by itself, but come on, they were not that irrational people. Usually, I think they had necessary conversations before deciding such matter. (It is just my personal view and I know there could be cases like that too though.)
The book has that in a few cases.
When Yabushige gets trapped down at that cliff, he prepares to kill himself. They manage to bring rope and then one of his samurai jumps from the top of the cliff to his death. Just to alert Yabushige to the rope, which he previously ignored. It's almost comical.
The book does a pretty good job of introducing a foreigner to the very strict honor code, but it does go too far sometimes. To be fair though, that's why the author renamed the characters. He wanted to have a bit of freedom in how they story pans out.
I think Uejiro's death was actually a 4D chess move. It wasnt just for the pheasant. It was to save the spy. The pheasant was the pretext.
“My War Stories are full of Holes” lol😂 I Got that joke immediately
Wtf was what that on begining of video. He doesnt know who bang? He know, She know. But we dont talk about it, especialy in front of his "wife"....
20 Ronin… Hattori Hanzo?
you guys not doing invincible?
I get that Japan is a harsh country and you need to be strong to live there, ESPECIALLY with the earthquakes! I just can’t get over how ancient Japanese culture had such respect for death while having very little respect for life.
I mean for fuck’s sake, they believed that it was honorable for a man to kill his infant child and then himself because he disrespected his lord!
In feudal Europe, there was all sorts of murder going on. Scotland particularly stands out. Look at all the murder in the name of religion. 1700 Europe had its own forms of barbarity. That is why, when people make mouth noises about how terrible our modern societies are, they have no idea about what the past actually was like everywhere.
In fact, there is a deep and long context. Bloodlines were very important to that society. In this day and age, a child is "just a child," but in that era, a child would be a bloodline, a symbol of family lineage, and a political object.
The Chinese used to do the same, eliminate the whole family tree for treason or serious crimes..
@@noname-dk7ri Bloodlines are still important today, you can't be Japanese without having Japanese blood in your family.