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@@StopBlurryGames Fortnite is incredibly difficult for me to test because the game updates constantly rendering the replay unusable. So if I haven't finished every GPU yet, then I have to retest all of them (and hope it doesn't update again). I've lost dozens of hours of work to these updates.
Not even the issue with windows constantly installing beta amd drivers? Keeps happening to me about once a week. I know its not AMD's fault but its the only "bad" thing I can say about switching to amd, should be an easy fix
The XTX is now $1400 AUD compared to $2700 for the 4090. That’s an 85% price difference in Australia. I think the XTX at that price is a no brainer if you want a very powerful GPU.
The only thing holding me back from pulling the trigger on amd is streaming fast paced games with h.264 encoder looks trash compared to NVIDIA, at least at launch it was anyways. AV1 looks great but isn't supported on most major streaming platforms just yet. Could be months could be years, if this is still the case I would have to go with a 4080 or wait till av1 support is mainstreamed
@@jcrittle_yeah. Amd cards are so unbalanced. They can compete only in gaming (that too, excluding RT). that's the advantage of nvidia. Nvidia gpus are much more well rounded and balanced.
@@neon_arch AMD got burned trying to make GCN good at both which was kind of a mess, so they made RDNA as purely gaming cards. They seem to be slowly adding more "balance" to the cards though.
As others have noted, when you have the clear best GPU, you can set the price because there will always be buyers who need (or think they need) the best and will pay the ask. I was once in that camp, which is why I own a 1080ti and a 2080ti, each of which was, for a time, the undisputed best GPU available (Titans excluded). I'm no longer living in that world because the only games I play much at all run at 4K max settings and 100FPS or better on my 13770K/6800XT. Safe to say, I'm firmly in the "good enough" camp when it comes to GPUs, at least while the prices for the best GPUs are so high.
I recently upgraded my gaming rig from a gaming laptop to a 7800X3D+7900XTX build. After a week I had the card refunded. Not because it's a bad card, but because I simply do not need that kind of power. Bought a 6750XT instead and couldn't be happier. I mostly play 4X titles, which require great CPUs, but couldn't care less about the GPU. I was simply greedy and didn't buy what I needed but what I "lusted" for. Many people are in the same boat but don't realize it. The 600€ difference is now in my daughter's post-graduation savings account.
The 4090 should have just been called a Titan, people wouldn't care about the price then. I own both, the 7900XTX is 70% of the performance at 60% of the price if you don't use RT. I like the fact that my Nitro card is also barely a 2.5 slot while my 4090 is almost 4 full slots.
I use to be a 70ti class buyer , got to a point where buying a GPU almost every generation started to get silly . If you buy the best card available IF ITS WITHIN YOUR BUDGET it will last you alot longer with less compromises . Just respect where you are financially and don't pay attention to others . I still play at 1080p for most games especially multi player games with only single player games that I play at 4K Resolution with a RTX 4090
You don't buy a 4090 for its cost to performance ratio. It's the fastest card, so Nvidia can charge whatever. The problem is the pricing of all other cards of the current gen (including AMD). If you look for solid cost to performance cards, you have to go AMD but RNDA2 not RDNA3.
After 10+ years of only buying NVIDIA cards, i finally pulled the trigger and went team RED yesterday. I originally thought about getting the 4070 TI since they are at roughly the same price range but then i realized how my 3060 TI didn't last long before i had to replace it, because it only has 8 GB of VRAM. I am not spending another 1000$ for just 12 GB when we all know that future games will demand atleast 12-16 GBs. You're not fooling me this time NVIDIA.
@@rasluffi loving it, i reinstalled windows to make sure i don't run into driver issues. undervolted the gpu, thermals and noise levels are great. If you do go for a 7900xt or xtx i would recommend saphire. they have little to no coil whine and are generally silent beasts
i switched team red 7 months ago and got a rx 6800 16gb. rx 6800 competitor is rtx 3070 ti 8gb which was more expensive and if i had bought it i would have to upgrade already
I just jumped on the 7900XTX red devil and I can't wait, my PSU is only 750W but as long as I don't OC I shouldn't get too close to the power supply limit. I'm upgrading from a 6700XT, and my current CPU is a 7900X and I'm playing at 1440p high refresh rate so I should have little to no bottlenecks. If I do start having glitches or crashes I'll just upgrade the PSU. It's also way cheaper than a RTX 4080 but it has way more VRAM and similar performance, and AMD is known to have a lot of optimizations overtime. The 6000 series got much faster overtime, and I still firmly believe the 7000 series has more potential.
@@Lewdacris916 I ended up going with the 7900x since it's on sale right now for $356. I would go for the 7800x3d but it's not on sale and neither was the 7600x. I figured for $356 the 7900x was a good deal.
Keep in mind.... the 7900XTX has Display Port 2.1..... which, paired with the upcoming 57" Samsung NEO Odyssey G9 , really makes the AMD more attractive to me.
@@coochiecrook7120 it was open box from microcenter, it comes with full manufacturer warranty and even came with the free copy of Resident Evil 4 promotion.
@@svrking14 I got one from Newegg and was told there wasn't a warranty. So, I told them I wanted a refund. Then they got nasty about it. Lesson learned. Don't buy from Newegg. I paid $900 open box. $900 and no warranty is just dumb.
Yep, that's why I got a 7900XTX. It also helps that over here 7900xtx is slightly more than 4070ti, 4080 is a lot more and 4090 lol is like almost double the price.
4070 Ti AKA “unlaunched” 4080 12 GB. And no to the 4070 Ti as the competitor. If it was it wouldn’t be close unless you maxed out the RT but then you might need over 12GB of VRAM. The 12GB of VRAM on any GPU priced over $600 is unacceptable in my opinion. Even look at the 1440p RE4 remake with RT on… the XTX is using over 13GB and the 4090 is just below 12GB
Hello Daniel, i know its time consuming but i would like to see 4K with settings on high or very high instead of Ultra, a lot of gamers i talk too never use Ultra, and also it would be intersting to see how much more fps you get. Otherwise, great content as always.
Seems like 4090 would be better at 1500 and a good deal at 1400. But then again it sold out so target market doesn't care after scalper prices last gen
I reiterate a comment which is already down here. "You don't buy a 4090 for its cost to performance ratio. It's the fastest card, so Nvidia can charge whatever." I would add, the 4090 is the first 90/titan class card which makes sense to buy if you want the best performance card, in the past you had to spend double vs a 80 class card for +10% perf.
Awesome review of the 2 of the best GPU's from AMD and NVIDIA Daniel! Would be really good to see a comparison of the H.264 streaming quality at 1080p60 6000 bitrate between the two. I know the 7000 series cards were no where near as good at launch compared to the 30 and 40 series cards especially for fast paced shooters e.g. warzone 2 but hopefully there's been an update to bring them up to par with the 40 series cards in that aspect. AV1 support has been identical between the two from the get go, unfortunately most major streaming platforms do not support AV1 just yet. This is the only factor holding me back from AMD right now. Again fantastic review Daniel 🍿🙌
I mean for what the 7900xtx is offering its really amazing for almost half the price of the 4090 the RT performance on the 4090 is honestly insane idk if amd will even catch up to that in their next gpus
My GPU budget has been 700-1000 since pascal. 1080ti->6900xt->7900xtx. If Nvidia wants my money they will need to lower their prices to fit my budget next time around.
They dont want (or need) your money, there's plenty of people who will pay those stupid prices and bring Nvidia more money than 10 of someones like you who have a strict limit forhow much you're willing to pay.
Man, I have been gaming on PC since the Doom Days. I've always tip toe around the "Budget/Mid end GPUS" until I finally pulled the trigger on a 1080Ti. Greatest CARD EVER; I made a promise to myself, just go for the flagship!
I was a 70ti class buyer ever since I came into the PC platform. This generation I just went all in on the 4090 . I started to realize with the 70ti class cards that 1440p and above they get weaker faster as newer games release. The top cards last longer . Went from a RTX 3070 to a RTX 3080ti then to the RTX 4090
@@bigdaddyt150 I've always gone for the 70 class card builder. They have served me well over the years with my last being a GTX970 STRIX that lasted me from July 2015 to July 2022. With that said, I am having a hard time deciding between 6700XT, 6800XT, 6950XT, and the 4070. Not really wanting to spend a ton of money since gaming is a casual activity these days and naturally the 6700XT would be a great, but of course, spending a bit more on at least the 6800XT would probably get me another 1-2 years of service and save some money in the long run.
@27Zangle I'd go 6800XT or 6950XT IF it's possible. For one 16GB's of vram will do alot better than the 12GB's offered on the RTX 4070 long term . I personally perfer Nvida over AMD BUT if I was on a budget honestly AMD graphics cards are more appealing when you consider long term. NVIDA gimped the 40 series badly on bandwidth
I upgraded to a 4090 from a 3090 in January. I bought it for $1600 because I wanted to use Frame Generation in Cyberpunk 2077. The 4090 was so efficient that it actually lowered the power consumption by 100-200 watts. The only downside is that I had to get a rather expensive CableMod 12VHPWR cable in order to get it to fit in my case. I'm so glad that I made the upgrade.
I've got an XTX and could not be happier. It's a beast. Anyway... Nice review, my man! Keep it up! Mine is the Pulse one. No fancy RGB but a powerhouse.
I have the Merc 310 black, I am also very happy with it, I like how XFX makes their cards look. For whatever reason it's undocumented that it's stock power limit is set to 390watts, and in some games for some reason its reliably hitting a 3ghz clock (clocks up when dual issue FP32 isn't used or in heavy RT?)
I don't regret buying my 4090, even if I don't play games very much. I screen capture all my monitors on obs while I daytrade the stock market in the mornings for about 2 hours at a time. I'm capturing a 8960x3200 area at 80% quality at 45 FPS, which is the max I can get the card to do. When watching the capture, I use Potplayer 64 and stretch the window across all my monitors to watch the footage and review. Maybe a lower end card would have done it, but I would rather have overkill for this application than just enough. Being able to review everything I saw on my screens at the time of my trades has led to much better decisions in the moment. The card has already paid for its self. Also, I don't use AV1. For some reason, when I use AV1, I can't expand the player window for the recording across multiple monitors. I had a 7900xt before the 4090 and I couldn't do it on that card either. So I record all of this with the hardware h.264 encoders on the card.
I'm happy with my 4090, because I can work on it and not just game. What I noticed though is that Star Wars is using around 16-18GB of VRAM at 1440p, it doesn't matter, but still unusually high. My intention is to play it on my 4K TV when I get a new controller, so scary close. Might just be allocated memory though.
Sometimes the frametimes could be affected by the SAM/ReBar. As example, with my RX 6600 I have some weird stuttering on Forza Horizon 5 with SAM turned on. In my case there could be some problems because of the CPU too (5600g, probably because there is no PCI-e Gen 4 support on it).
What does having the budget mean. You can gather the money here and there or that is an easy very small expense. Personally i dislike such overly huge cards that draw tons of power and heat up a room. I actually had the money to buy it and instead of buying it i just went and bought plenty of other GPU's just to have hardware toys to play with.
@@Blaze72sH AMD already said that a RDNA 3 competitor to the 4090 is not viable because it would draw too much power and be too expensive so if you want something like a 4090, your best bet is waiting for RDNA 4 next year.
I upgraded first and foremost because I was using a 4790K, and while it's MUCH stronger than most people would think for modern games, the motherboard it uses is falling far behind (slow ram, not enough ram, no nvme, very limited pcie lanes). I abandoned intel for this part of the big upgrade, because frankly intel uses pcie lane count as a built-in-obsolescence component, and AMD doesn't. Went to 7900X, 64gb 6000, X670E. It's worth noting that it's a dual-use computer, productivity and gaming, so I didn't feel very sanguine about waiting for X3D versions. And with a wide mixture of software to be used, I was keen especially to balancing peak & sustained per-core clock, against core count. 7900X looked very good for this, and was "on sale" at a price too good to pass up. I went very heavy on ram to eliminate work bottlenecks. 32 GB would be more than plenty for gaming alone. I've enjoyed good 1440p performance from a 1080 Ti strix for 6 years. But I have long wanted to go to 4k (IN large format, I don't see the point of using 4k as a replacement for anti-aliasing in smaller display panel sizes). Also, though my 1440p panel can do 120hz refresh, whether it can achieve that in modern games on a 1080 Ti is very hit or miss. I do prefer (though don't "require") a 3-digit refresh. It's worth noting that I agree with you about the idea of increasing resolution, while lowering graphical settings, is very questionable as an "upgrade". A large format 4k panel would tend to pay for itself in increased productivity with the additional screen space to work with. I also pay my own power bill... so watts:frames is a metric I take into account. And the software on "team green" is "modestly" useful to me (but not 'necessary'). I lean away from spending big on anything which is "almost good enough for my purposes" or "barely good enough for my purposes" as either of those creates the situation where I'll need to (or want to) upgrade again much sooner, rather than later. I ended up getting a 4090, though I was looking very closely at the XTX as well. To a limited degree I was also looking at 3090 Ti, 4080, and XT. I was undecided honestly. And it came down to availability. I walked into Microcenter for an unrelated reason, and they had just gotten some 4090 TUF cards, an hour or two before I walked in, sitting on the shelf at MSRP (no markups at microcenter). The angel on one shoulder said "just slowly back away and go sleep on it. You don't want buyer's remorse do you?", the devil on the other shoulder said "They won't be here tomorrow, and though expensive, you're buying longevity & future proofing, which is a long term investment. Just nuke this gpu problem from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" The devil won. But now, I still need the right 4k display for this monster pc. PG42UQ looks "ideal" (uses a C2 panel) but is considerably overpriced, and it's STILL not really burn-in proof. While the Neo G7 has the technical capacity to make VA look like OLED, and perform very fast, but it's only 32" (which means I'd probably need upscaling, eliminating the main draw of 4k for me), and it's WAY too curved (modest curve is fine, tons of curve is not). Kinda patiently waiting on someone to make a _significantly more_ burn-in proof OLED, or for samsung to make a less curved and larger Neo G7. I'm a bit of a monitor snob because visual production _requires_ extremely high color accuracy, and very adept handling of light & dark screen areas. IPS "glow" makes IPS pretty much unusable (pink is not color-accurate red, and having a glow in the screen which moves with my head is just very irritating). I can visually see a color difference between 254 blue and 255, irrelevant in gaming, but it 'matters' in visual work.
@kathrynck lol I'm just teasing by the way. Love when people are passionate enough about something to type multiple paragraphs. I very recently got a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and RX 7900 XTX, I'm absolutely loving it and saved about as much as the rest of my build costs by not getting a 4090
@@DrMantisToboggan69 Nice! 7800X3D is amazing. I got such a deal on 7900X that I don't regret getting it ($350 + 32mb 6000 ram free, and -$20 on my mobo ...gotta love microcenter). But 7800X3D is definitely the goat right now :) I was shopping for a 7900 XTX, when I ran into a 4090 TUF sitting on the shelf AT msrp... and it just kinda did that Ring of Sauron thing in my head. I tried to put it on, but it was really REALLY heavy and bulky for a ring, so I put it in my computer :P Planning to get a swap-in _800X3D or _950X at the end of AM5 socket life, whenever that is. Probably _950X, cuz I'm 'mixed use' and the extra cores 'somewhat' matter for me. But it depends on prices. And then i'll leave it alone for half a decade. I'm just very impressed with myself for getting 4 sticks of unmatched DDR5 6000 to work AT 6000. I bought an extra 32mb 2-stick set, on top of the free pair, to tinker with ...i kept the receipt handy. It was kinda experimental. In _theory_ 4 single-rank sticks should work together (it's not 'functionally' different than 2 double rank sticks) ...and they did work, with lots of tinkering ...this time.
I'm just looking at that 4090 fps/watt, and wow. That's ~30% more performance at around the same power consumption, better temps too. Granted, it is around $600 more, which means you can probably build a PC with a 7900XTX for the price of the 4090 alone. But I'm just looking at the performance here.
Yeah, I'd say if one is going to build a PC purely relying on the performance, so definitely the 4090 is a go. Better in all benchmarks and temps. If the person has budget limitations the 7900xtx do the job.
@@Vecchete "7900xtx do the job." Lol, both these graphics cards are WELL out of reach for most pc games. These cards will MORE than "do the Job". 4K ultra 60+ fps in most games. Most games don't even have a 4K monitor to make use of such cards. If you don't believe me check steam hardware survey where the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 is the most popular and used graphics card.
@@TheGoatPC agree with you definetly 4k no. But 2k 165hz is something quite normal these days, actually I don't know anybody that has a monitor with less than 120hz. I have a 240hz for example, which bring us to the fact that if you have such a nice monitor you would need to have a good graphics card to actually reach the maximum you could get from it. Maybe I had exaggerated with "do the job". I didn't want to take it for granted, it is actually a powerful card, I just meant that if you have spare money to spend regardless of cost the 4090 is still the most powerful. Definetly both ar flagships and can deliver the top notch experience for gamers and normal people.
@@Vecchete "But 2k 165hz is something quite normal these days". It's not though. According to steam hardware survey, 62% of users are still using 1080p where are 2560 x 1440 accounts for 13.23% But yes, even having the money $600 more isn't worth the extra performance imo.
It's worth it if you have the money to spend. I have a merc 310 and it reaches anywhere from 2700 to 2900mhz at +10% PL and they're pretty stable too. Furthermore, I can liquid cool it with less money that I'd have spent for a 4090 (Europe pricing is freaking insane) and run it much cooler, quiter and with higher clocks. That said, the 4090 is freaking insane.
I also have the Merc 310 7900 XTX and so far I must say I'm impressed, of course it's nowhere near as good as the 4090 but it does beat the 4080 in most games at 4k
@@AcceleratorPrime it depends on the case, unfortunately when I bought my case (AORUS C300 GLASS) I didn't realize that isn't too well ventilated so the GPU is around 70-80 degrees hot, however it isn't noisy at all unless you adjust the fans manually (mostly noisy above 65%). If you get a more ventilated case they will definitely stay below 70, or barely go over it.
I bought 4090 because no one talks about moving the power Target slider down to 65% and can play cyberpunk 4K quality dlss at 100 frames per second with frame generation at 280 w. With full Ray tracing not path. Why is nobody talking about this?
I bought 7900xtx for one reason and one reason only. The size of the card. I don't have a case that can fit in 4090. I am happy I gave amd a chance and I learned so much about their technology. I think people are so locked into a brand or technology that they are unwilling to change. Same with samsung or iphone. It's good to see the other side at least for awhile. I think 4090 isn't worth the extra price of power supply case and card it self. Factors that UA-camrs never really talk about. I will admit amd drivers had issues at the beginning, but that is due to brand new form factor. Meanwhile nvidia has been building gpus the same way for so long it's crazy. I suggest buy what you can afford and be willing to save money now to buy a better card later. Gaming is meant to be enjoyed and turning down settings is fine.
You might be right about people who are locked in branding. In my case it is exactly the opposite. For someone who bought mostly AMD GPUs and only AMD CPUs, this time i bought the 4090 from beginning when I saw the first review. This step represents the best increase in features and performance ever in history and together with a such insane efficiency, for me it was clear, whatever it costs, I was waiting since long time for such gpu independently which branding. The main problem with 7900xtx is in my opinion, the missing ray tracing performance. Yes it has some RT performance but, if I pay 1000 bugs for a card and I need to turn RT almost off, because otherwise I have a huge frame drop at 4K. Then I would not be happy at all at the end. Furthermore, FSR quality is not the best and frame generation is missing completely. I would not even mention the inefficiency. If you don't need all of them then it makes may be sense, otherwise if the price is more important then a 6800xt is not that much slower but cheaper.
@@firatguven6592 this generation is a repeat of 20 series where unless you got 2080 or 2080ti you werent getting a price jump. Similar to 7900xt 7900xtx and 4080 to 4090. As far as ray tracing goes its okay. Its similar to 3090 because amd is behind a generation. 3090 was 1000 dollars around same time as 7900xtx launch. Now we are seeing price drops so people will be able go enjoy for better prices 7900xt 680 and 880 for 7900xtx. Still fraction of the price of 4090. It's all about seeing what is better for you. My suggestion is wait a long time before upgrading. I went from gtx 1080 to 7900xtx. It's not like I cared about ray tracing. It was about sending nvidia a message about over charging prices. 3080 was 700 dollars and now they want to charge 1200. I rather competition take my money and actually compete. Amd innovated the cpu market and I believe they will innovate the gpu market. Ryzen first gen wasn't great, but it marked a change. That is the same with the gpu design. Its same thing with intel gpu. People need to be willing to buy and deal with some of the issues for new competitor to rise. Intel knows there market. I would of bought one of theirs, but I needed more performance.
@@raven80wolfx2 tripping on your own copium huh, just buy Intel and turn down settings as you have said yourself "Gaming is meant to be enjoyed and turning down settings is fine"
@@krizby87 tripping on my own copium? I own a 1440p 165 hertz monitor as main have 3 monitors. I would rather not have issues with other things I do on my computer. You need to render all pixels for it to work and intel can't do that. It's more than just games. I also had issues with my gtx 1080 with three monitors. No hate, but pc is used for more than just gaming.
@@firatguven6592 RT is pretty but it's still a niche gimmick in about 100 games. I think most gamers would prefer higher frame rates over pretty lights in a few games out of those 100 that they actually care about. And these reviewers skew the results by doing ultra settings which nobody should use. It just kills your frames for no appreciable difference in visual quality
Hey, Daniel, thanks for all your hard work putting these videos together. I think I've found a 'niche' justifiable use case for the RTX4090 in gaming. Playing games like Cyberpunk in VR (yes, there's a plugin/mod). It takes a stonking huge amount of horsepower to pull it off and the 4090 seems to be the only GPU that can do it, if you want to play at 60FPS that is. Take the 4K resolution performance and try to get it to 120-140FPS. That will give you 60-70FPS on the Vibe. It looks amazing but boy, does it stress your system.
4090's 1% lows are constantly higher than 7900xtx's averages. Insane. I don't remember seeing such difference of performance in the flagships of both companies ever.
The 7900XTX "competes" with the 4080 though. AMD wasn't able to really match Nvidia this generation at the high end. Likely due to problems getting chiplets to scale well.
@@adriancioroianu1704 your the one that sounds like an advocate lmao. Such a defensive comment with an air of holier than thou when Mark was simply joining you in conversation. He said the 7900xtx competes with the 4080. Its not meant to rival the 4090. Its just the way it is, factual.
@@thehurts9216 How can i even logically be defensive? I'm just stating some obvious but interesting fact and he fwlt the need to come tell me someying about the 7900xtx that haa nothing to do with my comment and nobody asked for. You are tribal, thats what's up, stop trying to bs your legitimicy here, doesn't work with me, i'm not 13.
just remember that the worst model 7900xtx is tested here. In Plague tale I have about 55 minimum not 39 FPS. But it's AMD's fault, as usual, that such crap models are provided for the test.
@@wiggyg7337 3nm might mean a huge performance and efficiency boost, they just messed up the 4000 series but with the next gpu's they might have insane numbers just because of that step
@@Shadow2311 Efficient boost is pretty decent with the 40 series, rtx 3080 vs rtx 4080 same tgp but a difference of 40-50% its just the price that is messed up
Daniel, I just wanna say you are the fucking man, I have been a subscriber since your first month, and your posting of deal screenshots on your "Community" page helped me out a lot last Summer. Basically, you had posted a photo about a great price on what I believe was the 6700XT at the time. I clicked on it, and ended up down the rabbit hole. I wanted to upgrade from my 2070 Super. Long story short, I ended up with a 3090 12GB (3080 Ti) for $400 after rebates, discounts, free games, credit card points etc. I will hit the $1 a day mark (that is always my measurement of value if I buy something for hundreds of dollars) at the end of July, and yet despite it still being perfect for everything I do, I am heavily thinking of buying a 7900XTX this September in time for Phantom Liberty. Ray Tracing is VERY important to me, but back in 2020 when I bought my 2070 Super for Cyberpunk, the initial dream was to just one day be able to play it at 4K60 rasterized. Nevermind raytraced (though I have always played the game with ray tracing on). 7900XTX will let me do that. Oh and, the raytracing with FSR2 (and hopefully 3) is actually about 15% - 20% faster than my 3090 12GB regardless of mode. I am hoping for you to post a good deal on the 7900XTX around end of August/Early September. Fingers crossed. Keep up the incredible work.
If you're planning on keeping the card for years like me, you'll be glad you have the '90 and not the '80 instead, trust me. Just enjoy it and don't look back. Life is too short for regrets.
Same. Did a full pc upgrade from a 9900k and 2080s to a 4090 and 13900k and it is actually hard to put into words how fast and amazing the setup is. 4090 king
great comparison. But i'd love to see a vr comparison. The RX 799 xtx had some problems with vr and i'd love to see if the new drivers did anything to the xtx
Im using a 4090 at 890mV to get about 260-280W. Trading 1/3 power usage for 5% perfomance. Also using frame generation / DLSS if still looks nice and input latency is fine - capped at 144 fps 4k. Mostly got another power savings from cap down towards 160W (Diablo 4), depends on the game. Very good card. Bought it used for 1375€ from a dealer and registered it for 5 years warranty.
Yes they have a few available from time to time over in Germany. Its a risk to buy gpus used thought, but no coil whine and the fans are very silent. The cost was 1525€ but got it with 10% cashback. No chance holding me off to buy it!
890mv pretty aggressive, its like 1100mv stock isnt it? that excellent UV if stable. Where Daniels stock card is dropping into 250W, yours will be going into some sort of 120W range, crazy fps watt in that.
@@SoftExo Its the maximum UV for most 4090s. Its 24/7 stable in gaming, using 2590 MHz (i think it was) and +1000 MHz on the memory. His card went to 300w because of low res CPU bottleneck probably (saw it at SWJS 1080p). My 13600K + 6600/CL32 DR RAM keeps me off bottleneck at 4k.
I managed to pick up a Trio X 4090 for $400 off the MSRP because it had a single faulty Displayport. I don't need 3 of them anyway, so getting a 4090 for the price of a 4080 at MSRP was well worth it. I was considering the 7900XTX, but DLSS 2 and 3 plus the additional raster performance, and much better RT performance was worth the difference in price for me.
@Mindux518 you get what you pay for , with how demanding games are getting and how developers are being lazy with games being ported over the brute force comes in handy. IF it's affordable for an individual i don't see the issue in purchasing one
@@bigdaddyt150 amd had has and will always have issues, from overheating, to driver crash, from stuttering in games to poor app support etc etc. i experienced that in 2006-2010 when i had amd, then in 2014-2017, now my friend has same issues as i had decades ago. yes we get what we pay for, pay a bit extra for stability and more power and more overall usability.
The leap from the 3090 to the 4090 in professional tasks is no joke. I know folks that undervolted it and basically crush their 3090 numbers while drawing ~3080 or less wattage figures.
@@NostalgicMem0riesi think you’re looking through rose tinted frames a bit too hard. sure nvidia crushes the professional scene against amd, but you can’t say that nvidia hasn’t had its fair share of issues either i.e. the connectors melting on 4090s
Nice. Good video. I've had my XFX Merc 310 for about 3 months now, and with my tuning it is quicker than a stock 4090 in TimeSpy hitting 35K GPU score. Wish that translated in to games, but not so. Except for Call of Duty I guess. lol Maybe future driver optimizations may help, but I'm not holding my breath. Now that I have been getting into AI encoding however, NVIDIA does start to make better sense, and might sell my 7900 XTX and upgrade to the 5090 when it drops. Hopefully AMD's ROCm support the 7900 XTX will make it to Windows soon. It's about 50% there, so a few more months probably. If there is a good uplift for Stable Diffusion on Windows, that would be nice. I know it's supported on Linux. I've just been lagging on getting my distro going. Overall, 7900 XTX is a great card. Minus the slew of driver crashes and sub par performance I've been experiencing lately on some less popular titles.
It would be good to look to see if the price to performance is non-linear for GPUs. And by performance here we mean FPS right? You could also turn on frame generation and see how that affects the relationship, as we are still only concerned with FPS. Or another way to consider it, anything above the linear relationship could be valued against the unique-features of the GPU.
Great video. Going for the 4090 OC + i9 14900k. My last build lasted for 8+ years, and only died 2 days ago (980ti + i7 4790k). A monster of a bygone era shall make place for a monster of our current time!
I actually appreciate a lot that all 4090’s should preform the exact same within 1% of eachother unlike the 30 series which certain brands preformed like 5-10% better
Thanks daniel! Really hammers in what everyone is thinking, if you're at 4k you're basically just looking at the 4090 as your upgrade option. if you're looking for high refresh utlra native 1440p xtx is there for you. tons of 1440p options below the xtx, it's just a matter of what fits your budget.
@@RicochetForce that's nonsense, it's an excellent 4k card. This reviewer, like others is skewing results by doing ultra/highest settings which other reviewers have shown has negligible if unnoticeable benefits to your eyes. When you drop the settings down a notch or two the 7900xtx gets more than adequate frames on even the most demanding games. That 80% NVIDIA premium could go towards a new monitor that could actually make use of a 4k GPU.
@@mjkittredge It's a 4K gaming card at moderate settings. As we've seen it tends to struggle on more recent games when you push it a little. But you're right, there's a difference between a card good for X resolution @ 60fps and a card good for X resolution at high FPS + max settings.
@@RicochetForce it struggles on Ultra settings in the most demanding Triple AAA titles and poorly optimized console ports. As other tech tubers have shown, Ultra settings are for dummies, you kill your frames for no appreciable difference in visual quality.
@@acidcrow4051 no I'm Unding it always undervolted in lowest possible! Consume in most case no more than 220 watts and got still mote than enough power for fast 4k gaming 120FPS in 120Hz max.
@@Serandi1987 ok, I see. I always undervolt my CPU but GPU I usually try to get max power. But I guess it's not really needed for gaming with 4090, just when you want to get a high score in 3Dmark 😅
Guys just wait a year , rtx4090 be $900.00 and rx7900xtx be $600.00 , trust me , don't go out spending $1600.00 on GPU alone. You can build full computer for $1600.00 , 5800x3d CPU , 32 GB ram , 1tb HD , rtx3080 or rx6800xt , it will be kickass GPU for 1440p ultra settings .
Definitely a helpful vid. I typically buy the highest end gpu. My last purchase was the 2080Ti. But since I'm only gaming in 1440p I can't justify the 4090.
I've got a PowerColor RX 7900 XTX Red Devil Limited Edition + Ryzen 7950X3D And i've tweaked the GPU in the Radeon Software To 2400MHz min - 2900MHz max From 1150mv down to 1120mv Undervolt Memory from 2500MHz to 2700MHz Power Limit from 0 to 15 which is the max And ingame the card uses 430W and goes up to 76°C - 77°C Is it alright and in a good range of values?
@@ohboydiamonds It beats it by a few frames here and there. Gets slaughtered in ray tracing. Which is unusable on xtx at every res, if that matters to the buyer. Dlss as well. It’s worth the 200 extra getting 4080. I’m getting the xtx, because pricing on 4080 in Sweden is like 1.6k. 400 dollars seals the deal for sure.
I have a NITRO Sapphire 7900 XTX , the card is a beast I love it. I do play a lot of MW2 , so I enjoy the high level performance @ 1440p. Unless you are some streamer or have a ton of disposable income there is just nothing to justify paying for a 4090. All that money can go into a better Mobo, CPU, RAM, NVME drive, Monitor, or just about ANYTHING. Stop comparing and wondering, if you see a good 7900 xtx card like the sapphire or even xfx merc on sale when you are looking for one, just get it... without some very specific use case you may have for Nvidia , Team Red is now a no brainer.
As someone who runs a 4k 144hz ultrawide monitor the 4090 didn't feel like that bad an offer since it can actually manage to push all those pixels while maintaining peak RT performance. Something 4080 manages well but, occasionally sees difficulties. Im a firm believer that as long as the GPU and monitor pricing is similar then you're in the right range
This is correct. I run a 3440x1440 monitor with the 4090 and with DLSS I get 60-70 FPS with Maxed Settings + Path Tracing in Cyberpunk 2077. With Frame Generation that pushes me will past 100 fps. The 4080 will almost certainly choke on such a setup. As you said, buy the GPU for the monitor res and resolutions you want to play at.
I went with the 4080 since the C1 is 4K/120hz. I’m perfectly fine with anything 60-118fps at 4K ultra especially since this my first ever pc. Just about any game I open I’m like Woooooooooow so this is what it’s like 😂
@@RicochetForce This is not 100% correct on the 4080 "choking out" , I just tried cyberpunk with everything ultra even with raytracing/pathtracing set to ultra, Dlss set to quality, My tv cant so ultra wide but can do 2560x1440 and I was getting between 85-100 fps driving around and got 91 in the benchmark.. so not exactly falling on its face.. Maybe lose a few fps on ultra wide, But still..
that is a nice pricedrop for the Red Devil.. (the card im interested in) But here in the Netherlands the price hasnt dropped (yet) as its still hanging on 1149 Euro's.
THANKS - some one that test after relase and with the new drivers updates... I was on at the point of buying a 7900 XTX because everyone swore that the driver had gotten better and was constantly improving etc. - With the price performance one runs here perfectly however but I want to have now one I will use simply for the next 5 years
@@jskyg68 Yeah, most have DLSS now. There are more games with DLSS than FSR. And more and more games have RT. Some don't find that interesting, but I do. So I got a RTX 4090.
@@nossy232323 You know there are thousands of games right? I have around 700 on steam alone not to mention older dvd games and GoG, guess how many have dlss, fsr or RT? Most new games need a gimmick to sell, because they suck... A marketer's job isn't selling a product anymore, it's making you believe you need it.
What is your projection for the 5090? Will it also be sold out? It could be explained as extreme demand compared to supply. Hopefully they go all out on production this time.
I want to say it depends on how competetive AMD will be (and maybe Intel but my hopes are not great for that) However 5090 will probably sell out regardless of that. AMD would have to beat them by a lot for most people to buy them.
Several channels have pointed out that AMD has a massive challenge going into next gen. AMD's next generation needs to, at the minimum trounce the 4090 AND match the 5090. All while being well behind with RDNA3 at the moment. So they'll need to extract a dramatic increase of performance from the architecture in the next generation. BTW, those high tier cards are often low volume items and will definitely sell out.
Your XTX is running a bit slow in Star Wars Jedi Survivor. I'm averaging over 100 FPS in the same area at 3440x1440p Epic RT On. Also not sure why your frequencies are so low at 2400, as I'm getting around 2700-2800.
There's something wrong with Daniels 7900 xtx i'm getting much better lows in all these games and better performance. His was getting beaten by the 4080 in most of these games what's not the case if you look at other reviews.
I have a 7900 xtx + 7800x3d. Every Game runs smoothly , except warzone caldera ... Sttutering and 1%lows are awfuls, tried undervolting the gpu and limiting frames vía rivatuner and that didnt work . 😢😢
Yeah my 7900XTX is the XFX stock OCed one and getting about 10-20 more FPS than yours(depending on the game) because it's hitting 3.0-3.2ghz (oddly higher than it's advertised clocks)
My Merc 310 hits 3ghz in a lot of games too, seems to me like when Dual Issue FP32 isn't used it clocks up because it doesn't use as much power, or when the card bottlenecks on something like RT the same happens, it clocks up to compensate. The Merc also has a 390watt stock power limit compared to refrence 355
a 7900 XTX is about $950 and a 4090 is about 1650. For a 38% performance increase of a 4090 that's not worth the money in my opinion for a 70% price increase in a 4090.
yea. 7900xtx reference power limit is a joke. if you OC them, they may actually lose performance on the 1% lows because they have to pull memory speeds to stay under the power limit. some games see as much as a 10% increase with an AIB card at 4k.
A PlayStation 5 for $500 dollars can do 8k 60 fps or 4k60 fps or 4k 120 fps on games like call of duty the support that setting. I know pc let you do more stuff like mods and many more stuff that console can’t let you do. But for someone whit limited money a ps5 or Xbox is a good choice.
@@KelvinKMS You will never find 4090 at 1000$ USD since the 3090 sell for much higher. I got my 4090 for 2200 CDN which is like 1500-1700 USD and Loving the card. It was an upgrade from my 6800XT. But running Ray tracing over Drive at 80 fps and RT Ultra at 130 FPS on a Samsung G9 49 inch you need that type of power to get that level of graphics. So if that's how you want to game then that's the price you have to pay. It's Literally the fastest thing on the market. NVIDIA has no reason to drop prices. Technology cost money and if you have ever seen a 4090 it's worth the price over a 3090. 24GB VRAM 16384 cuda cores (double and triple any other card). There is a min price these things can hit to Justify the manufacturing cost. Having worked in electronics anything under 2k is a "steal". Myth, Technology gets cheaper as it becomes more performant.
everyone justifying the 4090 pricing as well as the XTX pricing is giving these companies more credit than they deserve. 1600 for a 4090 might seem good to some since its a "premium card" compared to the 1000 dollar xtx but keep in mind the xtx isnt a 1000 dollar card. a fair price for it would be 800, same for the 4080 even with inflation. the profit margin on these products is very high and you can see how much inflation has affected them with a simple search. So in reality the 4090 should be at 1200 to 1300 dollars for FE and the AIBs a bit higher.
I enjoy the 4090 so much, I debated on getting the 7900xtx but I am glad I chose the 4090, max settings on metro exodus at 120 fps is so enjoyable. Also, I know it would take longer but I wouldn't mind seeing your version of "realistic settings" make a return in your videos, especially for more demanding games like things in UE5, supposedly Ark: Survival Ascended is coming out in August, and it may be a good one to add to testing for UE5, IF it even is in a playable state. Love the vids!!!
Cost wise though the 7600 xtx is a no brainer - for the cost of a 4090 I can get the 7900 xtx, 64GB of DDR5 ram, a 4TB M.2, Ryzen 7900x CPU, and my computer case.
I initially had a 4090 ordered but after I learned about the melting issues with the new power connector I cancelled the order and decided to go with the 7900xtx instead. It probably would've been fine, but I didn't really want to deal with the risk and I probably didn't need what the 4090 provides to begin with, so we'll see how it goes. :)
@@Zillawill No, I also got the 7800X3D. From what I could tell the issue was fixed. If Nvidia ever resolves the power connector issue with a better design, I'd happily consider purchasing it again.
@@adameury60 It wasn't the design that caused the power connector melting, it was the way the customers seated the connectors in the socket, if it is not all the way in, ofc it will melt, your 7900xtx will melt too if the connectors are not seated correctly.
@@adameury60 Ah so your hypocrite then, couple of 4090's burn which didn't even kill a card, because of user error, and you won't buy one, loads of CPU's and mobos die because of bad design and BIOS and yet your happy to buy one, its almost like AMD get free pass
I think your 7900 XTX sometimes run 2500mhz Core or less sometimes 2950+ strange thing and 4090 mostly run 2700mhz+ ( think your 7900 XTX hit power limit so it not run 2900+) and 71 deg is a lot my Nitro vapor X have 48deg max and run 2950mhz and can consume 420w+ (+15% power) I don;t recommend taking reference model of 7900 XTX because it thermal throotle with hot spot and slowing down a lot.
I'd like to see a comparison showing how many settings you have to turn down on major games with the xtx to match the 4090's performance. Probably negligible graphical change in enough cases, at least, for many people.
By that logic you can apply the same settings and have even higher "performance" from the 4090. The reality is, after certain "milestones" you don't get much more enjoyment out of better performance. Most important thing imo is a stable fps target you're already used to. Second thing is highest possible resolution (matching monitor ofc), in my experience it makes the most difference in image quality to drop from 4k to WQHD or WQHD to FHD. I'd argue the 7900xtx is probably good enough for any game existing on 4k, max settings and 60fps. There is so little to be gained past that. Adjust for higher fps, if you feel like it depending on game etc. You can save a shitton of money by just settling for WQHD and staying used to it. Getting a 4k monitor early was a huge mistake personally.
@@brohvakiindova4452I agree. For single player games 60fps is usually enough to get by with some more eye candy, and when in MP games just turn down the settings to get the desired fps
If you willing to spend $1400.00 , so what's another $200.00 . you want luxury but wanna save $200.00 , stick to midrange if you tight on budget or wait few years , it will be cheap . Rtx3090 can be had for $750.00 , few years ago it was selling food $3000.00 .
@@skywalker1991 oh yea I understand it’s just if it was 1400 it would be more in line with the performance to dollar uplift over the XTX right now if u want top performance without that premium u pretty much gotta go XTX is all I’m getting at. Your 100% correct tho anyone spending over 1k for a graphics card probably doesn’t care about that extra couple hundred bucks
@@skywalker1991That is simply poor logic and you just broke someone’s budget. People say that with the 4080. It’s only 400 more dollars to get a 4090. If you have 1,200 dollars just get the 4090. 400 dollars is a LOT more!
Man, the 4090 is a beast. I was honestly expecting the XTX to be a little closer, but it still is a great deal for the performance. It's just not the boss, and that's ok.
4090 may be the best, but when the card is nearly 2times the price of the 7900xtx but only 50% better, its a hard buy for me. i got myself the 7900xtx for 900bux and thats amazing.
@@laszlodajka5946 No way any graphics card using that much power will last over 5 years if it's used regularly. Most of those dual gpu cards are long gone because of that exact reason. High voltage + heat = short life span.
I was going to go for the 7900xtx but the performance wasn't quite there compared to the 4090 so i decided to save a bit more and get the 4090 instead i plan on keeping it until the 6000 series comes out. It does feel nice that my lg c1 and alienware ultrawide oled are my system bottlenecks (for now)
I wish i had that choice but the 4090 is 2x as expensive as the xtx (which already has a 1.35x price multiplier) in my country :/ I can't just "save a bit more" if the 4090 additional cost is already the cost of my entire PC minus the GPU.
I went with 7900xtx and got the overheating issue on reference card so I returned and got 4080. I didn't have the budget for 4090. No way I'd take the 7900xtx over my 4080 looking at these results.
The 7900 xtx is around 83% of the performance of the 4090 at 4k. Before, it was around 71% at 4k. You can already start to see the massive performance uplifts AMD can bring. Given that RDNA 3 is new architecture for them, we should expect bumps along the way, but eventually, RDNA 3 and successors will be supreme. AMD will eventually be the symbol for peak efficiency and performance. 🎉🎉🎉
Most ppl here want the 4090 so bad they don't get you can buy 2 XTX for 1 4090 ,Of course Its more powerful , those of us that just wants to see how the card that makes more economical sense fairs up against it , But almost 2k for a GPU "just to play games" is not what the 4090 does best to me , its for Devs and Ballers and work flows etc but just to play games doesn't make sense to me as an adult
Also keep in mind what you are paying for when getting the 4090, you are paying for nvenc, TensorRT, cuda and frame gen (AMD still has not come up with fsr3), so the value proposition is not only pure FPS, but the whole package, is it worth it for you? This would be very subjective, if yes, get the 4090, if no, get the 7900xtx
@@garrusvakarian8709 I was going to say, Why don't i miss any of that "extra" crap? Maybe I'm just immune to marketing propaganda....Remember a good marketer doesn't sell a product you need, he makes you believe you need that product..lol
@@garrusvakarian8709 nobody cares? A lot of people care, don't try to generalize the whole population just because you think is true. As I said, if u don't need any of the other hardware or features, get the 7900xtx, or else get the 4090. If you don't understand simple words, don't argue. I am not even sure what you are trying to argue here. Not to mention it's not 20% uplift, it's much higher and game dependent. Also the frame times were so much better in various cases as well. If you think average FPS is the whole story, then I don't see any reason to even argue here tbh.
Main issue with RTX 4090 is the CPU performance required. Great GPU, also very expensive one, requires best of everything - CPU, cooling, eventually AC... which makes it even more expensive than it looks.
@@afro__g5217 If you are building a new system, you can do pretty much anything - for a price. But in many cases it will be overkill (you don't have 4k monitor) and create bottlenecks elsewhere, which would be suboptimal. Great GPU, but there's a catch or two.
They support BF16 and INT4 WMMA Dot4. considering that they are saying they want FSR 3 to still work on everything I wonder if they are just for proffesional work or are they working on making FSR 2 and 3 look better by hardware accelerating it like intel does XeSS with a software fallback option.
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if you are testing a reference 7900xtx that cards are about 10%-15% slower than any aib version of it.
Those are amazing deals, I hope as many people as possible are able to snatch those up!
830 for a new xtx thats a trigger pull for me, THANK YOU
also grabbed a 980 pro for 60 bucks sweet upgrades
@@StopBlurryGames Fortnite is incredibly difficult for me to test because the game updates constantly rendering the replay unusable. So if I haven't finished every GPU yet, then I have to retest all of them (and hope it doesn't update again). I've lost dozens of hours of work to these updates.
I bought the 7900XTX recently, i do 1440p gaming and everything just works without issues for me maxed out. Had absolutely ZERO driver issues so far
the only thing that pisses me off is the idle power consumption on 240hz fefresh rates
Not even the issue with windows constantly installing beta amd drivers? Keeps happening to me about once a week. I know its not AMD's fault but its the only "bad" thing I can say about switching to amd, should be an easy fix
@@Dempig nope never had that
@@Dempigjust disable automatic driver updates from windows.
@@lunatik6168 I have , not sure why it keeps doing it
The XTX is now $1400 AUD compared to $2700 for the 4090. That’s an 85% price difference in Australia. I think the XTX at that price is a no brainer if you want a very powerful GPU.
The only thing holding me back from pulling the trigger on amd is streaming fast paced games with h.264 encoder looks trash compared to NVIDIA, at least at launch it was anyways. AV1 looks great but isn't supported on most major streaming platforms just yet. Could be months could be years, if this is still the case I would have to go with a 4080 or wait till av1 support is mainstreamed
@@jcrittle_yeah. Amd cards are so unbalanced. They can compete only in gaming (that too, excluding RT). that's the advantage of nvidia. Nvidia gpus are much more well rounded and balanced.
from one pants to anther you are correct my fellow pants.
You Australians have it hard :(
@@neon_arch AMD got burned trying to make GCN good at both which was kind of a mess, so they made RDNA as purely gaming cards. They seem to be slowly adding more "balance" to the cards though.
As others have noted, when you have the clear best GPU, you can set the price because there will always be buyers who need (or think they need) the best and will pay the ask. I was once in that camp, which is why I own a 1080ti and a 2080ti, each of which was, for a time, the undisputed best GPU available (Titans excluded). I'm no longer living in that world because the only games I play much at all run at 4K max settings and 100FPS or better on my 13770K/6800XT. Safe to say, I'm firmly in the "good enough" camp when it comes to GPUs, at least while the prices for the best GPUs are so high.
I recently upgraded my gaming rig from a gaming laptop to a 7800X3D+7900XTX build. After a week I had the card refunded. Not because it's a bad card, but because I simply do not need that kind of power. Bought a 6750XT instead and couldn't be happier. I mostly play 4X titles, which require great CPUs, but couldn't care less about the GPU. I was simply greedy and didn't buy what I needed but what I "lusted" for. Many people are in the same boat but don't realize it.
The 600€ difference is now in my daughter's post-graduation savings account.
The 4090 should have just been called a Titan, people wouldn't care about the price then. I own both, the 7900XTX is 70% of the performance at 60% of the price if you don't use RT. I like the fact that my Nitro card is also barely a 2.5 slot while my 4090 is almost 4 full slots.
@@arc00ta Yep, it's a Titan. They should have never opened the xx90 door.
@@Finckelstein You'd think for $1500 they could have at least included a fire extinguisher 🤣
I use to be a 70ti class buyer , got to a point where buying a GPU almost every generation started to get silly . If you buy the best card available IF ITS WITHIN YOUR BUDGET it will last you alot longer with less compromises . Just respect where you are financially and don't pay attention to others . I still play at 1080p for most games especially multi player games with only single player games that I play at 4K Resolution with a RTX 4090
You don't buy a 4090 for its cost to performance ratio. It's the fastest card, so Nvidia can charge whatever. The problem is the pricing of all other cards of the current gen (including AMD).
If you look for solid cost to performance cards, you have to go AMD but RNDA2 not RDNA3.
Ironically it's the best price to performance card in the 4000 lineup. Every other card is garbage.
You sound like Nvidia employee lol. Fastest card = charge whatever you want 😂 When GTX 1080TI launched it was the fastest card but it cost 699.
@@LaxonPfc half the speed if not less.
Don't know man the mid lower cards are usually best value per frame and the RX7600 is decently prised.
@@snugsel5412 That wasn't even my point. Obviously flagship card from 2022 is gonna be faster then flagship card from 2017
After 10+ years of only buying NVIDIA cards, i finally pulled the trigger and went team RED yesterday.
I originally thought about getting the 4070 TI since they are at roughly the same price range but then i realized how my 3060 TI didn't last long before i had to replace it,
because it only has 8 GB of VRAM. I am not spending another 1000$ for just 12 GB when we all know that future games will demand atleast 12-16 GBs.
You're not fooling me this time NVIDIA.
How you liking it?
@@rasluffi loving it, i reinstalled windows to make sure i don't run into driver issues.
undervolted the gpu, thermals and noise levels are great.
If you do go for a 7900xt or xtx i would recommend saphire. they have little to no coil whine and are generally silent beasts
same issue here. 307ti sucks after only a year. 7900xtx incoming.
i switched team red 7 months ago and got a rx 6800 16gb. rx 6800 competitor is rtx 3070 ti 8gb which was more expensive and if i had bought it i would have to upgrade already
@@mgl2708 sapphire warranty is non existent so you have to worry about that
love the video man. great content and comparison. i went and got the 7900xtx and have no regrets for the price. keep up the great work man
I just jumped on the 7900XTX red devil and I can't wait, my PSU is only 750W but as long as I don't OC I shouldn't get too close to the power supply limit. I'm upgrading from a 6700XT, and my current CPU is a 7900X and I'm playing at 1440p high refresh rate so I should have little to no bottlenecks. If I do start having glitches or crashes I'll just upgrade the PSU.
It's also way cheaper than a RTX 4080 but it has way more VRAM and similar performance, and AMD is known to have a lot of optimizations overtime. The 6000 series got much faster overtime, and I still firmly believe the 7000 series has more potential.
How has your PSU been? I’m upgrading to a 7900xtx still debating on cpu to pair with but will likely go with 7600x
If you have a 7900x processor the XTX will be able to utilize "smart access memory" they are made to pair up
@sliimfbl I would get the 7800x processor, it's much better than 7600
@@Lewdacris916 I ended up going with the 7900x since it's on sale right now for $356. I would go for the 7800x3d but it's not on sale and neither was the 7600x. I figured for $356 the 7900x was a good deal.
Keep in mind.... the 7900XTX has Display Port 2.1..... which, paired with the upcoming 57" Samsung NEO Odyssey G9 , really makes the AMD more attractive to me.
Picked up a Red Devil XTX yesterday for 750 used. It's no 4090 but at 750 it's much better than something like a 4070 ti for $800
That's a steal deal. Congrats 👏
$750 is a lot of money for a used card with no warranty
@@coochiecrook7120 it was open box from microcenter, it comes with full manufacturer warranty and even came with the free copy of Resident Evil 4 promotion.
Good deal!
@@svrking14 I got one from Newegg and was told there wasn't a warranty. So, I told them I wanted a refund. Then they got nasty about it. Lesson learned. Don't buy from Newegg. I paid $900 open box.
$900 and no warranty is just dumb.
Yep, that's why I got a 7900XTX. It also helps that over here 7900xtx is slightly more than 4070ti, 4080 is a lot more and 4090 lol is like almost double the price.
my condolences. you bought a 4070ti competitor
@@iequalsnoobIt does compare there on price yet it's 30% faster. Amazing value
Here the 4080 is only a little more expensive than 7900xtx
4070 Ti AKA “unlaunched” 4080 12 GB. And no to the 4070 Ti as the competitor. If it was it wouldn’t be close unless you maxed out the RT but then you might need over 12GB of VRAM. The 12GB of VRAM on any GPU priced over $600 is unacceptable in my opinion. Even look at the 1440p RE4 remake with RT on… the XTX is using over 13GB and the 4090 is just below 12GB
same here the 7900XTX is lioke 85 eur more than the 4070ti the 4080 is like almost 399 eur more
Hello Daniel, i know its time consuming but i would like to see 4K with settings on high or very high instead of Ultra, a lot of gamers i talk too never use Ultra, and also it would be intersting to see how much more fps you get. Otherwise, great content as always.
I think he does that when testing out a game. Not in a card vs card video.
Seems like 4090 would be better at 1500 and a good deal at 1400. But then again it sold out so target market doesn't care after scalper prices last gen
I reiterate a comment which is already down here. "You don't buy a 4090 for its cost to performance ratio. It's the fastest card, so Nvidia can charge whatever." I would add, the 4090 is the first 90/titan class card which makes sense to buy if you want the best performance card, in the past you had to spend double vs a 80 class card for +10% perf.
Awesome review of the 2 of the best GPU's from AMD and NVIDIA Daniel! Would be really good to see a comparison of the H.264 streaming quality at 1080p60 6000 bitrate between the two.
I know the 7000 series cards were no where near as good at launch compared to the 30 and 40 series cards especially for fast paced shooters e.g. warzone 2 but hopefully there's been an update to bring them up to par with the 40 series cards in that aspect.
AV1 support has been identical between the two from the get go, unfortunately most major streaming platforms do not support AV1 just yet. This is the only factor holding me back from AMD right now.
Again fantastic review Daniel 🍿🙌
Warzone/MW2 actually performs better on AMD 7900 XTX compared to it's price-equivalent RTX 4080 - like 30% or so.
I mean for what the 7900xtx is offering its really amazing for almost half the price of the 4090 the RT performance on the 4090 is honestly insane idk if amd will even catch up to that in their next gpus
My GPU budget has been 700-1000 since pascal. 1080ti->6900xt->7900xtx. If Nvidia wants my money they will need to lower their prices to fit my budget next time around.
They dont want (or need) your money, there's plenty of people who will pay those stupid prices and bring Nvidia more money than 10 of someones like you who have a strict limit forhow much you're willing to pay.
Thank you for an update review. All other reviews are from launch day and never update for new drivers or games
Man, I have been gaming on PC since the Doom Days. I've always tip toe around the "Budget/Mid end GPUS" until I finally pulled the trigger on a 1080Ti. Greatest CARD EVER; I made a promise to myself, just go for the flagship!
I was a 70ti class buyer ever since I came into the PC platform. This generation I just went all in on the 4090 . I started to realize with the 70ti class cards that 1440p and above they get weaker faster as newer games release. The top cards last longer . Went from a RTX 3070 to a RTX 3080ti then to the RTX 4090
@@bigdaddyt150 I've always gone for the 70 class card builder. They have served me well over the years with my last being a GTX970 STRIX that lasted me from July 2015 to July 2022. With that said, I am having a hard time deciding between 6700XT, 6800XT, 6950XT, and the 4070.
Not really wanting to spend a ton of money since gaming is a casual activity these days and naturally the 6700XT would be a great, but of course, spending a bit more on at least the 6800XT would probably get me another 1-2 years of service and save some money in the long run.
@27Zangle I'd go 6800XT or 6950XT IF it's possible. For one 16GB's of vram will do alot better than the 12GB's offered on the RTX 4070 long term . I personally perfer Nvida over AMD BUT if I was on a budget honestly AMD graphics cards are more appealing when you consider long term. NVIDA gimped the 40 series badly on bandwidth
@@bigdaddyt150 how much of an upgrade and improvement did you see going from a 3080 ti to the 4090?
@JT-bx5op the RTX 4090 is a big uplift from the RTX 3080ti not to mention not having to worry about vram
I upgraded to a 4090 from a 3090 in January. I bought it for $1600 because I wanted to use Frame Generation in Cyberpunk 2077. The 4090 was so efficient that it actually lowered the power consumption by 100-200 watts. The only downside is that I had to get a rather expensive CableMod 12VHPWR cable in order to get it to fit in my case. I'm so glad that I made the upgrade.
Yeah, the jump from 3090 to 4090 is much higher than the normal gen on gen leap. Something like 70-85% while using nowhere near the wattage.
I've got an XTX and could not be happier. It's a beast. Anyway... Nice review, my man! Keep it up!
Mine is the Pulse one. No fancy RGB but a powerhouse.
I have the Merc 310 black, I am also very happy with it, I like how XFX makes their cards look. For whatever reason it's undocumented that it's stock power limit is set to 390watts, and in some games for some reason its reliably hitting a 3ghz clock (clocks up when dual issue FP32 isn't used or in heavy RT?)
I don't regret buying my 4090, even if I don't play games very much. I screen capture all my monitors on obs while I daytrade the stock market in the mornings for about 2 hours at a time. I'm capturing a 8960x3200 area at 80% quality at 45 FPS, which is the max I can get the card to do. When watching the capture, I use Potplayer 64 and stretch the window across all my monitors to watch the footage and review. Maybe a lower end card would have done it, but I would rather have overkill for this application than just enough. Being able to review everything I saw on my screens at the time of my trades has led to much better decisions in the moment. The card has already paid for its self.
Also, I don't use AV1. For some reason, when I use AV1, I can't expand the player window for the recording across multiple monitors. I had a 7900xt before the 4090 and I couldn't do it on that card either. So I record all of this with the hardware h.264 encoders on the card.
Wow, definitely a niche application! Very interesting.
I'm happy with my 4090, because I can work on it and not just game. What I noticed though is that Star Wars is using around 16-18GB of VRAM at 1440p, it doesn't matter, but still unusually high. My intention is to play it on my 4K TV when I get a new controller, so scary close. Might just be allocated memory though.
Even though I'm gonna have to save up a few more paychecks to get it, the 4090 has won me over for the 1% lows alone.
Yep that's a big deal and so is pcvr performance for me
Great video. All I want is FSR3, great drivers, and a ton of devs supporting it. Would love to see AMD even closer to Nvidia's smoother gameplay.
Sometimes the frametimes could be affected by the SAM/ReBar. As example, with my RX 6600 I have some weird stuttering on Forza Horizon 5 with SAM turned on. In my case there could be some problems because of the CPU too (5600g, probably because there is no PCI-e Gen 4 support on it).
@@MirelRCI've seen benchmarks for 6700xt on that game and with sam turned on it improves the performance by a bit.
@@MirelRCStuttering most probably occurs due to VRAM size limitations. SAM tends to use more VRAM. And Forza 5 can use up to 8GB even without SAM.
@@stangamer1151 I knew that. Though I've tested it on the lowest settings possible, the game didn't even get near to 6-7 VRAM usage.
I dont get why anyone would want or use frame gen (or even upscaling) of any kind
If you have a budget to accommodate 4090, you should definitely go for it. A great card and a worthy successor to mighty 1080ti.
What does having the budget mean. You can gather the money here and there or that is an easy very small expense.
Personally i dislike such overly huge cards that draw tons of power and heat up a room.
I actually had the money to buy it and instead of buying it i just went and bought plenty of other GPU's just to have hardware toys to play with.
@@SIPEROTHRather pay 4090 price for 4080 performance at 200W TDP. Hopefully one day the technology will come.
Do you think waiting for 7950 xt makes sense at this point? I believe AMD promised 4090 like performance.
@@Blaze72sHI don't think it's coming out. And even if it does, I don't think it'd beat the 4090, maybe it'd get within 10%
@@Blaze72sH AMD already said that a RDNA 3 competitor to the 4090 is not viable because it would draw too much power and be too expensive so if you want something like a 4090, your best bet is waiting for RDNA 4 next year.
I upgraded first and foremost because I was using a 4790K, and while it's MUCH stronger than most people would think for modern games, the motherboard it uses is falling far behind (slow ram, not enough ram, no nvme, very limited pcie lanes). I abandoned intel for this part of the big upgrade, because frankly intel uses pcie lane count as a built-in-obsolescence component, and AMD doesn't. Went to 7900X, 64gb 6000, X670E. It's worth noting that it's a dual-use computer, productivity and gaming, so I didn't feel very sanguine about waiting for X3D versions. And with a wide mixture of software to be used, I was keen especially to balancing peak & sustained per-core clock, against core count. 7900X looked very good for this, and was "on sale" at a price too good to pass up. I went very heavy on ram to eliminate work bottlenecks. 32 GB would be more than plenty for gaming alone.
I've enjoyed good 1440p performance from a 1080 Ti strix for 6 years. But I have long wanted to go to 4k (IN large format, I don't see the point of using 4k as a replacement for anti-aliasing in smaller display panel sizes). Also, though my 1440p panel can do 120hz refresh, whether it can achieve that in modern games on a 1080 Ti is very hit or miss. I do prefer (though don't "require") a 3-digit refresh. It's worth noting that I agree with you about the idea of increasing resolution, while lowering graphical settings, is very questionable as an "upgrade". A large format 4k panel would tend to pay for itself in increased productivity with the additional screen space to work with.
I also pay my own power bill... so watts:frames is a metric I take into account. And the software on "team green" is "modestly" useful to me (but not 'necessary').
I lean away from spending big on anything which is "almost good enough for my purposes" or "barely good enough for my purposes" as either of those creates the situation where I'll need to (or want to) upgrade again much sooner, rather than later.
I ended up getting a 4090, though I was looking very closely at the XTX as well. To a limited degree I was also looking at 3090 Ti, 4080, and XT. I was undecided honestly. And it came down to availability. I walked into Microcenter for an unrelated reason, and they had just gotten some 4090 TUF cards, an hour or two before I walked in, sitting on the shelf at MSRP (no markups at microcenter).
The angel on one shoulder said "just slowly back away and go sleep on it. You don't want buyer's remorse do you?",
the devil on the other shoulder said "They won't be here tomorrow, and though expensive, you're buying longevity & future proofing, which is a long term investment. Just nuke this gpu problem from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
The devil won.
But now, I still need the right 4k display for this monster pc. PG42UQ looks "ideal" (uses a C2 panel) but is considerably overpriced, and it's STILL not really burn-in proof. While the Neo G7 has the technical capacity to make VA look like OLED, and perform very fast, but it's only 32" (which means I'd probably need upscaling, eliminating the main draw of 4k for me), and it's WAY too curved (modest curve is fine, tons of curve is not). Kinda patiently waiting on someone to make a _significantly more_ burn-in proof OLED, or for samsung to make a less curved and larger Neo G7. I'm a bit of a monitor snob because visual production _requires_ extremely high color accuracy, and very adept handling of light & dark screen areas. IPS "glow" makes IPS pretty much unusable (pink is not color-accurate red, and having a glow in the screen which moves with my head is just very irritating). I can visually see a color difference between 254 blue and 255, irrelevant in gaming, but it 'matters' in visual work.
My dude wrote a book 😂
@@DrMantisToboggan69 or dudette,
I forgot to write "To Be Continued..." :P
@kathrynck lol I'm just teasing by the way. Love when people are passionate enough about something to type multiple paragraphs. I very recently got a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and RX 7900 XTX, I'm absolutely loving it and saved about as much as the rest of my build costs by not getting a 4090
@@DrMantisToboggan69 Nice! 7800X3D is amazing. I got such a deal on 7900X that I don't regret getting it ($350 + 32mb 6000 ram free, and -$20 on my mobo ...gotta love microcenter). But 7800X3D is definitely the goat right now :)
I was shopping for a 7900 XTX, when I ran into a 4090 TUF sitting on the shelf AT msrp... and it just kinda did that Ring of Sauron thing in my head. I tried to put it on, but it was really REALLY heavy and bulky for a ring, so I put it in my computer :P
Planning to get a swap-in _800X3D or _950X at the end of AM5 socket life, whenever that is. Probably _950X, cuz I'm 'mixed use' and the extra cores 'somewhat' matter for me. But it depends on prices. And then i'll leave it alone for half a decade.
I'm just very impressed with myself for getting 4 sticks of unmatched DDR5 6000 to work AT 6000. I bought an extra 32mb 2-stick set, on top of the free pair, to tinker with ...i kept the receipt handy. It was kinda experimental. In _theory_ 4 single-rank sticks should work together (it's not 'functionally' different than 2 double rank sticks) ...and they did work, with lots of tinkering ...this time.
I'm just looking at that 4090 fps/watt, and wow. That's ~30% more performance at around the same power consumption, better temps too. Granted, it is around $600 more, which means you can probably build a PC with a 7900XTX for the price of the 4090 alone. But I'm just looking at the performance here.
Yeah, I'd say if one is going to build a PC purely relying on the performance, so definitely the 4090 is a go. Better in all benchmarks and temps. If the person has budget limitations the 7900xtx do the job.
@@Vecchete "7900xtx do the job." Lol, both these graphics cards are WELL out of reach for most pc games. These cards will MORE than "do the Job". 4K ultra 60+ fps in most games. Most games don't even have a 4K monitor to make use of such cards. If you don't believe me check steam hardware survey where the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 is the most popular and used graphics card.
@@TheGoatPC agree with you definetly 4k no. But 2k 165hz is something quite normal these days, actually I don't know anybody that has a monitor with less than 120hz. I have a 240hz for example, which bring us to the fact that if you have such a nice monitor you would need to have a good graphics card to actually reach the maximum you could get from it. Maybe I had exaggerated with "do the job". I didn't want to take it for granted, it is actually a powerful card, I just meant that if you have spare money to spend regardless of cost the 4090 is still the most powerful. Definetly both ar flagships and can deliver the top notch experience for gamers and normal people.
@@Vecchete "But 2k 165hz is something quite normal these days". It's not though. According to steam hardware survey, 62% of users are still using 1080p where are 2560 x 1440 accounts for 13.23% But yes, even having the money $600 more isn't worth the extra performance imo.
It's worth it if you have the money to spend.
I have a merc 310 and it reaches anywhere from 2700 to 2900mhz at +10% PL and they're pretty stable too. Furthermore, I can liquid cool it with less money that I'd have spent for a 4090 (Europe pricing is freaking insane) and run it much cooler, quiter and with higher clocks.
That said, the 4090 is freaking insane.
I also have the Merc 310 7900 XTX and so far I must say I'm impressed, of course it's nowhere near as good as the 4090 but it does beat the 4080 in most games at 4k
How's the temps and noise on the merc310? Looking at the Black Edition for €1080 and if not that i'll just pick up the XFX 6950XT merc319 for €650.
@@AcceleratorPrime it depends on the case, unfortunately when I bought my case (AORUS C300 GLASS) I didn't realize that isn't too well ventilated so the GPU is around 70-80 degrees hot, however it isn't noisy at all unless you adjust the fans manually (mostly noisy above 65%). If you get a more ventilated case they will definitely stay below 70, or barely go over it.
Why would the clocks matter when the performance and power consumption are still worse than the 4090?
@@jorge69696 I'm not sure, i was just asking about the temps and noise ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I bought 4090 because no one talks about moving the power Target slider down to 65% and can play cyberpunk 4K quality dlss at 100 frames per second with frame generation at 280 w. With full Ray tracing not path. Why is nobody talking about this?
I bought 7900xtx for one reason and one reason only. The size of the card. I don't have a case that can fit in 4090. I am happy I gave amd a chance and I learned so much about their technology. I think people are so locked into a brand or technology that they are unwilling to change. Same with samsung or iphone. It's good to see the other side at least for awhile. I think 4090 isn't worth the extra price of power supply case and card it self. Factors that UA-camrs never really talk about. I will admit amd drivers had issues at the beginning, but that is due to brand new form factor. Meanwhile nvidia has been building gpus the same way for so long it's crazy. I suggest buy what you can afford and be willing to save money now to buy a better card later. Gaming is meant to be enjoyed and turning down settings is fine.
You might be right about people who are locked in branding. In my case it is exactly the opposite. For someone who bought mostly AMD GPUs and only AMD CPUs, this time i bought the 4090 from beginning when I saw the first review. This step represents the best increase in features and performance ever in history and together with a such insane efficiency, for me it was clear, whatever it costs, I was waiting since long time for such gpu independently which branding. The main problem with 7900xtx is in my opinion, the missing ray tracing performance. Yes it has some RT performance but, if I pay 1000 bugs for a card and I need to turn RT almost off, because otherwise I have a huge frame drop at 4K. Then I would not be happy at all at the end. Furthermore, FSR quality is not the best and frame generation is missing completely. I would not even mention the inefficiency. If you don't need all of them then it makes may be sense, otherwise if the price is more important then a 6800xt is not that much slower but cheaper.
@@firatguven6592 this generation is a repeat of 20 series where unless you got 2080 or 2080ti you werent getting a price jump. Similar to 7900xt 7900xtx and 4080 to 4090. As far as ray tracing goes its okay. Its similar to 3090 because amd is behind a generation. 3090 was 1000 dollars around same time as 7900xtx launch. Now we are seeing price drops so people will be able go enjoy for better prices 7900xt 680 and 880 for 7900xtx. Still fraction of the price of 4090. It's all about seeing what is better for you. My suggestion is wait a long time before upgrading. I went from gtx 1080 to 7900xtx. It's not like I cared about ray tracing. It was about sending nvidia a message about over charging prices. 3080 was 700 dollars and now they want to charge 1200. I rather competition take my money and actually compete. Amd innovated the cpu market and I believe they will innovate the gpu market. Ryzen first gen wasn't great, but it marked a change. That is the same with the gpu design. Its same thing with intel gpu. People need to be willing to buy and deal with some of the issues for new competitor to rise. Intel knows there market. I would of bought one of theirs, but I needed more performance.
@@raven80wolfx2 tripping on your own copium huh, just buy Intel and turn down settings as you have said yourself "Gaming is meant to be enjoyed and turning down settings is fine"
@@krizby87 tripping on my own copium? I own a 1440p 165 hertz monitor as main have 3 monitors. I would rather not have issues with other things I do on my computer. You need to render all pixels for it to work and intel can't do that. It's more than just games. I also had issues with my gtx 1080 with three monitors. No hate, but pc is used for more than just gaming.
@@firatguven6592 RT is pretty but it's still a niche gimmick in about 100 games. I think most gamers would prefer higher frame rates over pretty lights in a few games out of those 100 that they actually care about. And these reviewers skew the results by doing ultra settings which nobody should use. It just kills your frames for no appreciable difference in visual quality
Hey, Daniel, thanks for all your hard work putting these videos together. I think I've found a 'niche' justifiable use case for the RTX4090 in gaming. Playing games like Cyberpunk in VR (yes, there's a plugin/mod). It takes a stonking huge amount of horsepower to pull it off and the 4090 seems to be the only GPU that can do it, if you want to play at 60FPS that is. Take the 4K resolution performance and try to get it to 120-140FPS. That will give you 60-70FPS on the Vibe. It looks amazing but boy, does it stress your system.
4090's 1% lows are constantly higher than 7900xtx's averages. Insane. I don't remember seeing such difference of performance in the flagships of both companies ever.
The 7900XTX "competes" with the 4080 though. AMD wasn't able to really match Nvidia this generation at the high end. Likely due to problems getting chiplets to scale well.
@@MLWJ1993 You don't have to justify it like an advocate. I didn't say it in a denigratory way. It's just the way it is, factual.
@@adriancioroianu1704 your the one that sounds like an advocate lmao. Such a defensive comment with an air of holier than thou when Mark was simply joining you in conversation. He said the 7900xtx competes with the 4080. Its not meant to rival the 4090. Its just the way it is, factual.
@@thehurts9216 How can i even logically be defensive? I'm just stating some obvious but interesting fact and he fwlt the need to come tell me someying about the 7900xtx that haa nothing to do with my comment and nobody asked for. You are tribal, thats what's up, stop trying to bs your legitimicy here, doesn't work with me, i'm not 13.
You didn’t sound like an advocate. Neither did the first guy responding though
love finding my former math teacher channel well looking at pc parts
keep up the awesome work man
I bought a rog strix 4090 a few weeks back. Thing is awesome. Best card I've owned.
How does the XTX compare to the 4080? Nevermind found a vid on your channel from 4 days ago.
4090 is worth it if you are playing at 4k, it can play literally anything at 4k at max settings. ive been very happy with my 4090
enjoy it bro, i'm hopping for a not too overpriced 5070 or ti with performance similar to 4090 next year xd
just remember that the worst model 7900xtx is tested here. In Plague tale I have about 55 minimum not 39 FPS. But it's AMD's fault, as usual, that such crap models are provided for the test.
@@Mayeloski Good luck the rtx 5070 will be same as rtx 3090 ti hahaha, I mean the rtx 4060ti is the same or worse than the 3060 ti
@@wiggyg7337 3nm might mean a huge performance and efficiency boost, they just messed up the 4000 series but with the next gpu's they might have insane numbers just because of that step
@@Shadow2311 Efficient boost is pretty decent with the 40 series, rtx 3080 vs rtx 4080 same tgp but a difference of 40-50% its just the price that is messed up
Daniel, I just wanna say you are the fucking man, I have been a subscriber since your first month, and your posting of deal screenshots on your "Community" page helped me out a lot last Summer.
Basically, you had posted a photo about a great price on what I believe was the 6700XT at the time. I clicked on it, and ended up down the rabbit hole. I wanted to upgrade from my 2070 Super.
Long story short, I ended up with a 3090 12GB (3080 Ti) for $400 after rebates, discounts, free games, credit card points etc.
I will hit the $1 a day mark (that is always my measurement of value if I buy something for hundreds of dollars) at the end of July, and yet despite it still being perfect for everything I do, I am heavily thinking of buying a 7900XTX this September in time for Phantom Liberty.
Ray Tracing is VERY important to me, but back in 2020 when I bought my 2070 Super for Cyberpunk, the initial dream was to just one day be able to play it at 4K60 rasterized. Nevermind raytraced (though I have always played the game with ray tracing on).
7900XTX will let me do that. Oh and, the raytracing with FSR2 (and hopefully 3) is actually about 15% - 20% faster than my 3090 12GB regardless of mode.
I am hoping for you to post a good deal on the 7900XTX around end of August/Early September. Fingers crossed.
Keep up the incredible work.
My Gigabyte Aorus Master 4090 paired with the 7950X3D is a beast, no regrets.
Nice! I bought the MSI Suprim X 4090 paired with the 7950X3D. It's a beast!
Daniel, are u still using the slow reference 7900 XTX?
My XFX 7900 XTX OCs to 3Ghz on air Np. It absolutely Destroys Everything!!
I bought 4090 recently, and i have no regrets, the performance this GPU delivers is insane!
Pog
@xdxd6087 we are fine. depending on the resolution, the 90 delivers some 10-15% more performance but costs almost half more.
If you're planning on keeping the card for years like me, you'll be glad you have the '90 and not the '80 instead, trust me. Just enjoy it and don't look back. Life is too short for regrets.
Same. Did a full pc upgrade from a 9900k and 2080s to a 4090 and 13900k and it is actually hard to put into words how fast and amazing the setup is. 4090 king
@xdxd6087 i only have a GTX 570 :(
Thank you for such a detailed comparison!
great comparison. But i'd love to see a vr comparison. The RX 799 xtx had some problems with vr and i'd love to see if the new drivers did anything to the xtx
Thanks for the review Shkreli!
Im using a 4090 at 890mV to get about 260-280W. Trading 1/3 power usage for 5% perfomance. Also using frame generation / DLSS if still looks nice and input latency is fine - capped at 144 fps 4k. Mostly got another power savings from cap down towards 160W (Diablo 4), depends on the game.
Very good card.
Bought it used for 1375€ from a dealer and registered it for 5 years warranty.
A used 4090?? Weird. I guess someone spent more than they were able to.
Yes they have a few available from time to time over in Germany. Its a risk to buy gpus used thought, but no coil whine and the fans are very silent.
The cost was 1525€ but got it with 10% cashback. No chance holding me off to buy it!
890mv pretty aggressive, its like 1100mv stock isnt it? that excellent UV if stable. Where Daniels stock card is dropping into 250W, yours will be going into some sort of 120W range, crazy fps watt in that.
@@SoftExostock they are 1070mhz depending on clock bin
no his card wont drop to 120w on anything closely demanding unless you downclock to just 1ghz
@@SoftExo
Its the maximum UV for most 4090s.
Its 24/7 stable in gaming, using 2590 MHz (i think it was) and +1000 MHz on the memory.
His card went to 300w because of low res CPU bottleneck probably (saw it at SWJS 1080p).
My 13600K + 6600/CL32 DR RAM keeps me off bottleneck at 4k.
i got the XFX rx7900xtx from Amazon about a month ago for $919... at that price i had to grab it, and i am very happy i did...
I managed to pick up a Trio X 4090 for $400 off the MSRP because it had a single faulty Displayport. I don't need 3 of them anyway, so getting a 4090 for the price of a 4080 at MSRP was well worth it. I was considering the 7900XTX, but DLSS 2 and 3 plus the additional raster performance, and much better RT performance was worth the difference in price for me.
I mean if you have a 4090 at the price of a 4080 its a no brainer a majority would take the 4090 over the 7900 xtx
@@Autism_Obama literally most of the people chose 4090 regardless of its high cost so if it just costs even lower then 7900XTX would never sell lol
Best buy has open box for $1200~1300
@@cafe88racer53 Nice. I picked mine up for $1250.
Been a long time Nvidia user, but this gen I went RX 7900 XTX and I'm very happy with it. I only game at 1440p so it it made more sense to me.
Dont forget that the 4090 is the clear winner for professional work. I work a lot with pytorch so going with the 4090 is a no brainer.
its not even a contest tbh, all kids care is fps and cheap stuff, all pros know who rules end game gpus ... and always did
@Mindux518 you get what you pay for , with how demanding games are getting and how developers are being lazy with games being ported over the brute force comes in handy. IF it's affordable for an individual i don't see the issue in purchasing one
@@bigdaddyt150 amd had has and will always have issues, from overheating, to driver crash, from stuttering in games to poor app support etc etc. i experienced that in 2006-2010 when i had amd, then in 2014-2017, now my friend has same issues as i had decades ago. yes we get what we pay for, pay a bit extra for stability and more power and more overall usability.
The leap from the 3090 to the 4090 in professional tasks is no joke. I know folks that undervolted it and basically crush their 3090 numbers while drawing ~3080 or less wattage figures.
@@NostalgicMem0riesi think you’re looking through rose tinted frames a bit too hard. sure nvidia crushes the professional scene against amd, but you can’t say that nvidia hasn’t had its fair share of issues either i.e. the connectors melting on 4090s
Thanks for the chapters in the video, they are a lifesaver lol
Nice. Good video. I've had my XFX Merc 310 for about 3 months now, and with my tuning it is quicker than a stock 4090 in TimeSpy hitting 35K GPU score. Wish that translated in to games, but not so. Except for Call of Duty I guess. lol Maybe future driver optimizations may help, but I'm not holding my breath. Now that I have been getting into AI encoding however, NVIDIA does start to make better sense, and might sell my 7900 XTX and upgrade to the 5090 when it drops. Hopefully AMD's ROCm support the 7900 XTX will make it to Windows soon. It's about 50% there, so a few more months probably. If there is a good uplift for Stable Diffusion on Windows, that would be nice. I know it's supported on Linux. I've just been lagging on getting my distro going. Overall, 7900 XTX is a great card. Minus the slew of driver crashes and sub par performance I've been experiencing lately on some less popular titles.
Amazing video mate, keep up the good work.
It would be good to look to see if the price to performance is non-linear for GPUs. And by performance here we mean FPS right?
You could also turn on frame generation and see how that affects the relationship, as we are still only concerned with FPS.
Or another way to consider it, anything above the linear relationship could be valued against the unique-features of the GPU.
Great video. Going for the 4090 OC + i9 14900k. My last build lasted for 8+ years, and only died 2 days ago (980ti + i7 4790k).
A monster of a bygone era shall make place for a monster of our current time!
I actually appreciate a lot that all 4090’s should preform the exact same within 1% of eachother unlike the 30 series which certain brands preformed like 5-10% better
that never happened
Thanks daniel! Really hammers in what everyone is thinking, if you're at 4k you're basically just looking at the 4090 as your upgrade option. if you're looking for high refresh utlra native 1440p xtx is there for you. tons of 1440p options below the xtx, it's just a matter of what fits your budget.
Bingo. That consensus remains true. I forgot what the first channel that pointed out that the 7900XTX is more like a high refresh 1440p card.
I run a 7900xt on a LG C1 and find it more than good enough. If you are good with upscaling with FSR 2, its more than good enough for most at 4k.
@@RicochetForce that's nonsense, it's an excellent 4k card. This reviewer, like others is skewing results by doing ultra/highest settings which other reviewers have shown has negligible if unnoticeable benefits to your eyes. When you drop the settings down a notch or two the 7900xtx gets more than adequate frames on even the most demanding games.
That 80% NVIDIA premium could go towards a new monitor that could actually make use of a 4k GPU.
@@mjkittredge It's a 4K gaming card at moderate settings. As we've seen it tends to struggle on more recent games when you push it a little.
But you're right, there's a difference between a card good for X resolution @ 60fps and a card good for X resolution at high FPS + max settings.
@@RicochetForce it struggles on Ultra settings in the most demanding Triple AAA titles and poorly optimized console ports. As other tech tubers have shown, Ultra settings are for dummies, you kill your frames for no appreciable difference in visual quality.
what I'd really like to see is how the FPS comparison is between a undervolted RTX 4090 vs the RX 7900 XTX!
Why would you undervolt the 4090? Would rather give it more juice
@@acidcrow4051 no I'm Unding it always undervolted in lowest possible! Consume in most case no more than 220 watts and got still mote than enough power for fast 4k gaming 120FPS in 120Hz max.
@@Serandi1987 ok, I see. I always undervolt my CPU but GPU I usually try to get max power. But I guess it's not really needed for gaming with 4090, just when you want to get a high score in 3Dmark 😅
@@acidcrow4051 yes, my 5800X3D runs -30! :))
the 4090 draws much less power now! from over 300 to 400 watts now only 180-280 max!
Guys just wait a year , rtx4090 be $900.00 and rx7900xtx be $600.00 , trust me , don't go out spending $1600.00 on GPU alone.
You can build full computer for $1600.00 , 5800x3d CPU , 32 GB ram , 1tb HD , rtx3080 or rx6800xt , it will be kickass GPU for 1440p ultra settings .
You should refresh this video! Just meaning 4090 just jumped straight to Ludacris speed in price!
Definitely a helpful vid. I typically buy the highest end gpu. My last purchase was the 2080Ti. But since I'm only gaming in 1440p I can't justify the 4090.
I've got a PowerColor RX 7900 XTX Red Devil Limited Edition + Ryzen 7950X3D
And i've tweaked the GPU in the Radeon Software
To 2400MHz min - 2900MHz max
From 1150mv down to 1120mv Undervolt
Memory from 2500MHz to 2700MHz
Power Limit from 0 to 15 which is the max
And ingame the card uses 430W and goes up to 76°C - 77°C
Is it alright and in a good range of values?
I’d definitely buy the 7900 XTX if I was upgrading, but for a new build I’d prefer the 4090
Neither is great value to be honest.
still, seeing how the xtx beats the 4080 in almost every scenario, and is $200 cheaper, its a pretty good deal comparatively
I'm pretty sure you'll go with 7900 xtx for new built, and only go 4090 or ti (maybe) if you want the highest end hardware
@@ohboydiamonds It beats it by a few frames here and there. Gets slaughtered in ray tracing. Which is unusable on xtx at every res, if that matters to the buyer. Dlss as well. It’s worth the 200 extra getting 4080. I’m getting the xtx, because pricing on 4080 in Sweden is like 1.6k. 400 dollars seals the deal for sure.
I have a NITRO Sapphire 7900 XTX , the card is a beast I love it. I do play a lot of MW2 , so I enjoy the high level performance @ 1440p. Unless you are some streamer or have a ton of disposable income there is just nothing to justify paying for a 4090. All that money can go into a better Mobo, CPU, RAM, NVME drive, Monitor, or just about ANYTHING. Stop comparing and wondering, if you see a good 7900 xtx card like the sapphire or even xfx merc on sale when you are looking for one, just get it... without some very specific use case you may have for Nvidia , Team Red is now a no brainer.
I have the same card. I agree 100 percent. Excited for Immortals of Aveum and other games that will actually make this thing break a sweat.
As someone who runs a 4k 144hz ultrawide monitor the 4090 didn't feel like that bad an offer since it can actually manage to push all those pixels while maintaining peak RT performance. Something 4080 manages well but, occasionally sees difficulties. Im a firm believer that as long as the GPU and monitor pricing is similar then you're in the right range
You nailed it
This is correct. I run a 3440x1440 monitor with the 4090 and with DLSS I get 60-70 FPS with Maxed Settings + Path Tracing in Cyberpunk 2077. With Frame Generation that pushes me will past 100 fps. The 4080 will almost certainly choke on such a setup.
As you said, buy the GPU for the monitor res and resolutions you want to play at.
I went with the 4080 since the C1 is 4K/120hz. I’m perfectly fine with anything 60-118fps at 4K ultra especially since this my first ever pc. Just about any game I open I’m like Woooooooooow so this is what it’s like 😂
You'd definitely WANT the 4090 for that purpose. It's just a silly thing to buy when you don't have such requirements.
@@RicochetForce This is not 100% correct on the 4080 "choking out" , I just tried cyberpunk with everything ultra even with raytracing/pathtracing set to ultra, Dlss set to quality, My tv cant so ultra wide but can do 2560x1440 and I was getting between 85-100 fps driving around and got 91 in the benchmark.. so not exactly falling on its face.. Maybe lose a few fps on ultra wide, But still..
A bit disappointed with the 7900 XTX's 4K numbers, but it is cheaper then the 4090 so it makes sense.
that is a nice pricedrop for the Red Devil.. (the card im interested in)
But here in the Netherlands the price hasnt dropped (yet) as its still hanging on 1149 Euro's.
Why is Europe so expensive by the way?
Probably some extra EU-tax? 😉
THANKS - some one that test after relase and with the new drivers updates... I was on at the point of buying a 7900 XTX because everyone swore that the driver had gotten better and was constantly improving etc. - With the price performance one runs here perfectly however but I want to have now one I will use simply for the next 5 years
Looks like a ~30% lead for the 4090.
Imho it's not worth a ~67% price increase though. (950€ vs. 1590€ right now in my area)
Sure, if you don't care about the better quality of DLSS and don't value RT that much.
@@nossy232323 What if 95% of games don't have RT or dlss? oh wait.......
the 4090 is for the rich people, they want the best of the best.
@@jskyg68 Yeah, most have DLSS now. There are more games with DLSS than FSR. And more and more games have RT. Some don't find that interesting, but I do. So I got a RTX 4090.
@@nossy232323 You know there are thousands of games right? I have around 700 on steam alone not to mention older dvd games and GoG, guess how many have dlss, fsr or RT? Most new games need a gimmick to sell, because they suck...
A marketer's job isn't selling a product anymore, it's making you believe you need it.
What is your projection for the 5090? Will it also be sold out? It could be explained as extreme demand compared to supply. Hopefully they go all out on production this time.
I want to say it depends on how competetive AMD will be (and maybe Intel but my hopes are not great for that)
However 5090 will probably sell out regardless of that. AMD would have to beat them by a lot for most people to buy them.
Several channels have pointed out that AMD has a massive challenge going into next gen.
AMD's next generation needs to, at the minimum trounce the 4090 AND match the 5090. All while being well behind with RDNA3 at the moment. So they'll need to extract a dramatic increase of performance from the architecture in the next generation.
BTW, those high tier cards are often low volume items and will definitely sell out.
Your XTX is running a bit slow in Star Wars Jedi Survivor. I'm averaging over 100 FPS in the same area at 3440x1440p Epic RT On.
Also not sure why your frequencies are so low at 2400, as I'm getting around 2700-2800.
easy because he runs cards at stock settings, plain and simple
@@mattblyther5426 My card is on stock settings...
@@TheActualChosenOne do u have the exact same card as him? If not that’s the reason. Different cards have different boost clocks
There's something wrong with Daniels 7900 xtx i'm getting much better lows in all these games and better performance. His was getting beaten by the 4080 in most of these games what's not the case if you look at other reviews.
I have a 7900 xtx + 7800x3d. Every Game runs smoothly , except warzone caldera ... Sttutering and 1%lows are awfuls, tried undervolting the gpu and limiting frames vía rivatuner and that didnt work . 😢😢
Yeah my 7900XTX is the XFX stock OCed one and getting about 10-20 more FPS than yours(depending on the game) because it's hitting 3.0-3.2ghz (oddly higher than it's advertised clocks)
Similar to me. But I have to correct you, 3.2 GHz yes but not in 4k.😉
My Merc 310 hits 3ghz in a lot of games too, seems to me like when Dual Issue FP32 isn't used it clocks up because it doesn't use as much power, or when the card bottlenecks on something like RT the same happens, it clocks up to compensate. The Merc also has a 390watt stock power limit compared to refrence 355
makes you wonder if he's using Smart Access Memory. Ancient Gameplays channel shows that can get you an extra 10 FPS in many games
I have a 4090 and I've got no regrets. I plan on keeping it for at least 4 years.
a 7900 XTX is about $950 and a 4090 is about 1650. For a 38% performance increase of a 4090 that's not worth the money in my opinion for a 70% price increase in a 4090.
is there a difference on image quality or is the same on both cards i
yea. 7900xtx reference power limit is a joke. if you OC them, they may actually lose performance on the 1% lows because they have to pull memory speeds to stay under the power limit. some games see as much as a 10% increase with an AIB card at 4k.
Why would you buy reference AMDs? Good deal maybe? If you buy AMD, you buy the best ones, which starts with an 'S' ,followed by 'apphire'.
A PlayStation 5 for $500 dollars can do 8k 60 fps or 4k60 fps or 4k 120 fps on games like call of duty the support that setting.
I know pc let you do more stuff like mods and many more stuff that console can’t let you do. But for someone whit limited money a ps5 or Xbox is a good choice.
The 4090 is the only true gen card that worth buying if you have the money for it.
4090 is only good if price is $1099 USD.
@@KelvinKMS No argue that the 4090 is overpriced because Nvidia just can do it, however,, it's the only true gen csrd unfortunately
@@KelvinKMS You will never find 4090 at 1000$ USD since the 3090 sell for much higher. I got my 4090 for 2200 CDN which is like 1500-1700 USD and Loving the card. It was an upgrade from my 6800XT. But running Ray tracing over Drive at 80 fps and RT Ultra at 130 FPS on a Samsung G9 49 inch you need that type of power to get that level of graphics. So if that's how you want to game then that's the price you have to pay. It's Literally the fastest thing on the market. NVIDIA has no reason to drop prices. Technology cost money and if you have ever seen a 4090 it's worth the price over a 3090. 24GB VRAM 16384 cuda cores (double and triple any other card). There is a min price these things can hit to Justify the manufacturing cost. Having worked in electronics anything under 2k is a "steal". Myth, Technology gets cheaper as it becomes more performant.
everyone justifying the 4090 pricing as well as the XTX pricing is giving these companies more credit than they deserve. 1600 for a 4090 might seem good to some since its a "premium card" compared to the 1000 dollar xtx but keep in mind the xtx isnt a 1000 dollar card. a fair price for it would be 800, same for the 4080 even with inflation. the profit margin on these products is very high and you can see how much inflation has affected them with a simple search. So in reality the 4090 should be at 1200 to 1300 dollars for FE and the AIBs a bit higher.
Capitalism 💀
I enjoy the 4090 so much, I debated on getting the 7900xtx but I am glad I chose the 4090, max settings on metro exodus at 120 fps is so enjoyable. Also, I know it would take longer but I wouldn't mind seeing your version of "realistic settings" make a return in your videos, especially for more demanding games like things in UE5, supposedly Ark: Survival Ascended is coming out in August, and it may be a good one to add to testing for UE5, IF it even is in a playable state. Love the vids!!!
Ya.... That won't be out in August. December if at all
Oh I'm sure it's changed your life for the better, more friends and the girls love you now 😂
@@jskyg68 trying to find the connection between this comment and op 🤔
@@GamingXperience no connection dude thinks I'm bragging I guess; can't fathom someone enjoying something because it costs money 🤷♂️
@@GamingXperience He talks like it was a life changing experience.....come on man it's just video gaming....
Cost wise though the 7600 xtx is a no brainer - for the cost of a 4090 I can get the 7900 xtx, 64GB of DDR5 ram, a 4TB M.2, Ryzen 7900x CPU, and my computer case.
I initially had a 4090 ordered but after I learned about the melting issues with the new power connector I cancelled the order and decided to go with the 7900xtx instead. It probably would've been fine, but I didn't really want to deal with the risk and I probably didn't need what the 4090 provides to begin with, so we'll see how it goes. :)
So I assume you'll also be avoiding AMD CPU's since there also known to burn up?
@@Zillawill No, I also got the 7800X3D. From what I could tell the issue was fixed. If Nvidia ever resolves the power connector issue with a better design, I'd happily consider purchasing it again.
@@adameury60 It wasn't the design that caused the power connector melting, it was the way the customers seated the connectors in the socket, if it is not all the way in, ofc it will melt, your 7900xtx will melt too if the connectors are not seated correctly.
@@adameury60 Ah so your hypocrite then, couple of 4090's burn which didn't even kill a card, because of user error, and you won't buy one, loads of CPU's and mobos die because of bad design and BIOS and yet your happy to buy one, its almost like AMD get free pass
@@xRlly I mean his power connectors don't even have to do that, the drivers alone might kill his card for him
I think your 7900 XTX sometimes run 2500mhz Core or less sometimes 2950+ strange thing and 4090 mostly run 2700mhz+ ( think your 7900 XTX hit power limit so it not run 2900+) and 71 deg is a lot my Nitro vapor X have 48deg max and run 2950mhz and can consume 420w+ (+15% power) I don;t recommend taking reference model of 7900 XTX because it thermal throotle with hot spot and slowing down a lot.
I'd like to see a comparison showing how many settings you have to turn down on major games with the xtx to match the 4090's performance. Probably negligible graphical change in enough cases, at least, for many people.
By that logic you can apply the same settings and have even higher "performance" from the 4090.
The reality is, after certain "milestones" you don't get much more enjoyment out of better performance. Most important thing imo is a stable fps target you're already used to.
Second thing is highest possible resolution (matching monitor ofc), in my experience it makes the most difference in image quality to drop from 4k to WQHD or WQHD to FHD.
I'd argue the 7900xtx is probably good enough for any game existing on 4k, max settings and 60fps. There is so little to be gained past that. Adjust for higher fps, if you feel like it depending on game etc.
You can save a shitton of money by just settling for WQHD and staying used to it. Getting a 4k monitor early was a huge mistake personally.
@@brohvakiindova4452I agree. For single player games 60fps is usually enough to get by with some more eye candy, and when in MP games just turn down the settings to get the desired fps
@@acidcrow4051 There are even games I can live with 30fps like slow paced city builders, turn based stuff etc.
I can get a used/open box 4090 for $1250 or a brand new 7900XTX for $1075 all prices after taxes. Which should I get?
Not gunna lie if the 4090 was in the 1300-1400 range I would be all in on that card it just seems so insane to spend $1600+ on just one component 😂
If you willing to spend $1400.00 , so what's another $200.00 . you want luxury but wanna save $200.00 , stick to midrange if you tight on budget or wait few years , it will be cheap .
Rtx3090 can be had for $750.00 , few years ago it was selling food $3000.00 .
@@skywalker1991 oh yea I understand it’s just if it was 1400 it would be more in line with the performance to dollar uplift over the XTX right now if u want top performance without that premium u pretty much gotta go XTX is all I’m getting at. Your 100% correct tho anyone spending over 1k for a graphics card probably doesn’t care about that extra couple hundred bucks
Gamers don’t need a 4090. 7900xtx is fine. Most people agree that spending that much on one thing is insane
@@skywalker1991That is simply poor logic and you just broke someone’s budget. People say that with the 4080. It’s only 400 more dollars to get a 4090. If you have 1,200 dollars just get the 4090. 400 dollars is a LOT more!
Best buy open box prices around $1200 lol just rare find
Starfield really fumbled by not going with DLSS...
Man, the 4090 is a beast. I was honestly expecting the XTX to be a little closer, but it still is a great deal for the performance. It's just not the boss, and that's ok.
4090 may be the best, but when the card is nearly 2times the price of the 7900xtx but only 50% better, its a hard buy for me. i got myself the 7900xtx for 900bux and thats amazing.
Only if you will be happy running at 720p low in 2032...
@@fashric10that is 9 years away. U would have to get a new rig by that year anyway
@@laszlodajka5946 No way any graphics card using that much power will last over 5 years if it's used regularly. Most of those dual gpu cards are long gone because of that exact reason. High voltage + heat = short life span.
@@thisjustanother hahaha say you're poor without saying you're poor
Thank you for your work!
I was going to go for the 7900xtx but the performance wasn't quite there compared to the 4090 so i decided to save a bit more and get the 4090 instead i plan on keeping it until the 6000 series comes out. It does feel nice that my lg c1 and alienware ultrawide oled are my system bottlenecks (for now)
I wish i had that choice but the 4090 is 2x as expensive as the xtx (which already has a 1.35x price multiplier) in my country :/
I can't just "save a bit more" if the 4090 additional cost is already the cost of my entire PC minus the GPU.
I went with 7900xtx and got the overheating issue on reference card so I returned and got 4080. I didn't have the budget for 4090. No way I'd take the 7900xtx over my 4080 looking at these results.
Gotta get that 6090. 6900xt in my TV pc 6090 in the main rig. That's the dream
@@darbstre2900with the i9-16900k 👌
@@ilovehotdogs125790mmmm 6.9 ghz. Intel needs to commit to the meme tbh
what alot of ULTIMATE COMPARISONS!!!!, he keeps beating the last one it's amazing!
The 7900 xtx is around 83% of the performance of the 4090 at 4k. Before, it was around 71% at 4k. You can already start to see the massive performance uplifts AMD can bring. Given that RDNA 3 is new architecture for them, we should expect bumps along the way, but eventually, RDNA 3 and successors will be supreme. AMD will eventually be the symbol for peak efficiency and performance. 🎉🎉🎉
Most ppl here want the 4090 so bad they don't get you can buy 2 XTX for 1 4090 ,Of course Its more powerful , those of us that just wants to see how the card that makes more economical sense fairs up against it , But almost 2k for a GPU "just to play games" is not what the 4090 does best to me , its for Devs and Ballers and work flows etc but just to play games doesn't make sense to me as an adult
doesnt make sense be cause you cant afford it. there i summarized what you said for you
@@iequalsnoob it only makes sense to dudebro's who play stupid shooter games.
Using a reference AMD card should not be used in a comparison like this.
Yeah like that’s going to make a difference in the 30% performance gap
well there are videos out there showing that the xt and xtx are both closer to the 4070ti in performance.
Do reviews on 4k monitors, budget and non budget models.
Also keep in mind what you are paying for when getting the 4090, you are paying for nvenc, TensorRT, cuda and frame gen (AMD still has not come up with fsr3), so the value proposition is not only pure FPS, but the whole package, is it worth it for you? This would be very subjective, if yes, get the 4090, if no, get the 7900xtx
@@garrusvakarian8709 found the fanboy
@@garrusvakarian8709 I was going to say, Why don't i miss any of that "extra" crap? Maybe I'm just immune to marketing propaganda....Remember a good marketer doesn't sell a product you need, he makes you believe you need that product..lol
@@garrusvakarian8709 amd fanboy is so stupid, what if he uses it for work? He didn't say he uses it for gaming, stupid and fanboy.
@@garrusvakarian8709 nobody cares? A lot of people care, don't try to generalize the whole population just because you think is true. As I said, if u don't need any of the other hardware or features, get the 7900xtx, or else get the 4090. If you don't understand simple words, don't argue. I am not even sure what you are trying to argue here. Not to mention it's not 20% uplift, it's much higher and game dependent. Also the frame times were so much better in various cases as well. If you think average FPS is the whole story, then I don't see any reason to even argue here tbh.
Picked up the hellhound xtx for $829 on Amazon with 7% off and a $100 coupon a couple days ago.
Main issue with RTX 4090 is the CPU performance required. Great GPU, also very expensive one, requires best of everything - CPU, cooling, eventually AC... which makes it even more expensive than it looks.
Can’t i just get the ryzen 7 7800x3d with it then
@@afro__g5217 If you are building a new system, you can do pretty much anything - for a price. But in many cases it will be overkill (you don't have 4k monitor) and create bottlenecks elsewhere, which would be suboptimal. Great GPU, but there's a catch or two.
@@afro__g5217 You could it's an excellent gaming CPU. I have one with a 4090 on my main pc.
@@vensroofcat6415 Yeah I’ll just save up for all that with good planning and constant diligence and patience. It will be worth it in the end
@@TerraWare W
Crazy that the 7900 XTX has AI accel on board and we don't even know what they are there for...
Maybe future fsr3 lol
They support BF16 and INT4 WMMA Dot4. considering that they are saying they want FSR 3 to still work on everything I wonder if they are just for proffesional work or are they working on making FSR 2 and 3 look better by hardware accelerating it like intel does XeSS with a software fallback option.
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