I love my BMPC. It paid for itself almost immediately. If you want a camera with features and a look that rivals much more expensive cinema cameras, you can't beat it for the price.
@@WEHAVETHISDREAM I have the original Blackmagic Production Camera. I honestly prefer the image to the newer models (possibly because I've seen so much footage from them that it's all starting to look the same). People who I've shot for like what comes out of it, so I'm going to run with that until I absolutely need an upgrade.
@@adrianneely5882 movie "The Raid" 2011 was shoot on camcorder Panasonic AG-AF100 4/3- sensor that cant even do 1080p instead 1080i, and did 10mil in box office.
I am sorry but anybody watching this, please DO NOT take his opinion to heart! I have to say while this video is well put together, BUT it's obvious that he did not do his research on the af100 at all. I am shocked. Real talk the AF100 has more features than all of the other cameras probably combined. Like for focus you didn't even realize that it has focus peaking (one of the 1st cameras ever to offer that) and it has a focus range indicator which tells you how much of the overall scene is in focus. And also the af100 has a dynamic range extender function that allows you 12 stops of dynamic range. The AF100 actually allows you to do color grading in-camera...like basically dealing with color wheel functions, something neither one of the other cameras allow you to do. I also have been able to push the image processing in post more on an af100 than a newer G7 camera. The only real drawback is that you have to use the AVC codec which sometimes is difficult to deal with but it does allow you to get more space on your SD card and yes the infamous autofocus being slow but let's be honest, if you are using autofocus on a cinema camera than you are half-assing the process of creating cinema 🤷🏽♀️Bottom line is, get the camera you can afford, LEARN IT'S LIMITATIONS AND WORK WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES and you will be just fine....Oh and invest in glass!!
Invest in glass? I’m a beginner ild like to purchase a camera for music videos something that i can send the footage to davinci and something that looks amazing
It is old camera. From everything i seen is fine but i dont know if i would dare to use it for something that i would charge money for. It is mostly learning tool at this point. It have looks and functions but IQ is where it falls short. TBS Canon is basicly same story with better image quality but on expense of much less versitile mount. Remember that af100 is only one that supports basicly any lens and speedboosters. BM4k is the best image quality and easy to use and probably most future proof of them 3. Just buy 1 with mft mount if you can.
I have the Production 4K, and it is incredible! I bought it as a backup camera to go along with my Pocket 6K. The global shutter is everything! If you're shooting a lot of action and moving your camera this is the one you need. Honestly, if this thing had false color I'd probably trade the Pocket 6K in for another one of these.
I still use a couple of C100 MKII pumping into 2xNinja V when it's really important and I really appreciate how solid they are and how easy the footage is to work with. Getting used to the C series at the lower end helps when you rent the more expensive cameras in the range as most of what you learn on the 100 is transferable to the 300 etc. In the corporate world, the C series cameras are the standard work horses. Everybody has EF lenses which is a huge plus. However, when I'm, traveling light (most of the time) I'm still going to use my GH4 and GH5s. The GH5s into the Ninja V for prorez RAW is pretty unbeatable. Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Great to see.
May I ask what do you think about the new GH6? When it will be available, of course haha. I was looking at the GH5s last week. I don’t care if something is new or old, even looked at the C100 or Blackmagic Pocket cam, a lot of times. But, I really need some good slow motion footage. Even full hd, but it should not be some lame cropped in 120fps or upscaled 720p. Please help? :) Good sir.
Great video man, I'm glad you went into detail with these cameras. I'm a c100 user and I REALLY like it. I've had access to it for a short while but coming from EOS models it was a smooth transition.
They offered me a canon C100 Mark 1 and 2 lenses for $1,000, I have only used Canon 5D and the Black Magic 4K and I'm nervous to buy the C100. It interested me cuz of the Deal $1,000, What do u thjnk
Having used both I personally gotta recommend the 4k. Both cameras have the nice Fairchild look, although the 4k is actually a CMOSIS sensor. The color science is similar, you have to tweak the 4k a bit more to make it render nicely. The 1 stop less dynamic range on the 4k really make a huge difference as long as you are good with highlight rolloff. The crop on 4k is a good bit over super 35, but the crop on the 2.5k is absolutely bananas. The 2.5k is essentially a m4/3 sized sensor but on the active mount models its ef so you can't use focal reducers. It's pretty tough to film everything when a 12mm rectilinear lens becomes a 25mm equivalent. You need fisheye to approach 16mm territory, but if massive crop isn't a dealbreaker for you, the 4k still is preferable bc of the global shutter and sharpness. The 2.5k looks a good bit soft for modern standards, it's cleaner bc of the rolling shutter but the greater sharpness of the 4k lend itself to denoting as well as olpf/ diffusion simulation to cover up flaws. The real crown jewel is the global shutter. It does a lot more than just stop rolling distortion, it completely changes the way the camera looks as it moves through the air. Stedicam footage has a controlled and deliberate feel, the famous cutting through the air effect is greatly enhanced. Shoulder footage shake is easier to decipher and much less disorienting. Movement in general is much easier to appreciate as the flicker effect of motion blur is reduced. The images get a big, grounded, emotional feeling to them. When things are still, they feel still. When they are chaotic they feel exciting but not glitchy. The 4k gives you the opportunity to access a look that otherwise can't be had cheaper than the $6k red komodo. Both cameras are impractical to shoot with by modern standards, and somewhat niche use. The main selling point is getting a camera that makes unique, pleasant images with a few quirks but cinema consistency. The 4k has the most definitive aesthetic, and works in the most situations. Both are lovely cameras, but I personally find the 4k to be the camera that does what I want. It's easier follow the 4k's initiave, go the way that is organic to the camera, instead of fighting to make the image something it is not. Plus you can actually shoot wide, unless you are willing to get a m4/3 2.5k with a speed booster and use a micro usb cable to power the aperture control or use vintage/cinema lenses.
I agree that the C100 MKii is still the best 1080p camera out there. I own three and use them for wedding videos and customers are always impressed with the setup and final videos as well. Best 5 thousand I have ever spent on my business.
The AF100 does actually have a very good focus assist feature and it can easily assigned to any of the 3 user buttons. Also, it's important to note that the AF100 can use a wide range of lenses, including very affordable and lightweight lenses which might not be an option with the other cameras. There are many other factors for why someone might choose one camera over another, but those things weren't covered in this review. My choice of the 3 cameras would be the AF100.
AGREED! That camera is old but it still produces great imagery. I am using it right now as a C cam on a feature and in editing I find myself choosing shots from that cam quite often.
Straight up! He also forgot to mention face tracking which is suuuuuper useful when you are using the native lenses. Picked one up about a month ago and has been the most solid choice, the top handle is perfect for the stuff I need it for and the ergonomics of this camera compared to the other two are unmatched.
43:47 When I saw the c100's images I was impressed with how clean and clear they are, but then I realized how much the blackmagic delivers something organic, it's hard to explain, it seems to have less resolution, but at the same time it's nicer. Thanks for the video!
That OG black magic is so filmic and organic! Great content, found your channel recently and subbed, your content style rocks. Keep up the killer work!
Great vid. I have a BMPC4K and love it, but here's a few extra things to consider before buying. You need to update the firmware to the latest (2016) release, as it suffers from fixed pattern noise on any previous release - this is the main reason it was largely overlooked when released. You'll need a computer with thunderbolt 1 or 2 to do this (or by a pricey adapter from apple, but there are non-genuine ones availible). Blackmagic made the USB next to the ssd redundant for its newer updates for some reason. It was intended to be powered by a v mount battery, however with the release of usb power delivery, you can now power it from a 12v usb PD battery bank, however I haven't tested this yet, so I can't say how long the battery will last, but it's alot cheaper than a v mount or npf for new shooters. You can replace the internal battery, it is a bit difficult to pry it open and change it. There are some tutorials on UA-cam, but it's not really worth it. It only lasts around an hour on a brand new battery anyway. However having an internal battery is still very useful, even an original one, as it enables you to hot swap external batteries during shooting. It was made to be in a cage, you can still find a lanparte or Tilta cage for it, but they're expensive. You can get a cheap (around £50) cage from Ali express, but you'll still need to invest in side handles, top handle, baseplate etc. The 6g sdi is basically a hot rodded 3g sdi, they did it by removing the surge protection from the 3g. This means it's possible to blow out the sdi port by creating a ground loop between the camera and monitor. There's alot of information on the blackmagic forum about This. Apparently BM are no longer supporting repairs or making replacement sdi boards for this camera so it's worth knowing how to avoid it. You'll want to check BM's list of compatible ssds before buying one, as slow read/write speeds will result in lost frames. The pre-amps in this camera aren't very good. Instead of connecting a mic straight to the camera, you'll want to use an audio recorder instead, the tascam 60D mkii has great pre amps and phantom power. You can then take audio out from that into the camera to have it synced to the footage, or record scratch audio on the camera. Aps-c photography lenses work great for anything that isn't meant to look too cinematic. Sigma's older EX lenses are quite affordable now and look pretty good. Vintage lenses are the cheap answer to cinematic looks until you can afford some real cine glass. I agree that if you want a complete camera that you can easily run and gun with and not have a big set up time, buy the c100. If you want to learn how to rig use a cinema camera and learn about higher end (especially film and advertising) production in general, buy the black magic.
So many commercial spots have been recorded on the C100 for a reason. Reliable. EF Mount for the gazillion lenses you can get. Not everyone needs the 4K UHD if you can make the 1080p shine. I do have a Panasonic 4K UHD camera, and it lacks what the C100 can do, but you best play is a C100 with Dual Pixel AF. Just makes life nicer. You can still punch under $1000.00 used for that, just shop carefully. I want a C100 next time around. Plain just a great camera.
A lot of people have ignored the fixed lens Panasonic DVX200 which is a phenomenal camera with phenomenal glass. I used one just recently and quite frankly I was blown away.
It could have been THE best camcorder on the market, usability, ease of use and other features. I got rid of mine because the color space was so bad though. Even with custom color settings it had weird skin tone issues.
I owned the AF100. I used for event video (live theatre, concerts and dance shows). I bought it new. Right out of the box it struggled with saturated reds (very common in my work). I used an Atomos Samurai Blade to record with. In post I was able to work on the reds but it was a pain. I sold it after a few years. Now I have two GH5’s, one GH5 Mk 2, and a Panasonic PX 270.
Nice review, thanks! Since none of these cameras are new, I assume you are looking at used pieces of the cameras. In that case you might find the newer BMPCC 4K available at under 1000 USD. And if you throw that in the mix instead of the production cam 4K, there's a huge jump in quality. It would be wonderful to have a comparison of - BMPCC 4K, Panasonic GH5 and Sony FS700 (or similar older Sony cine cam), and the experience with those.
I use the BMPCC 4k and it is generally amazing, alongside it, I also use the BMS 4k, and the BM Ursa G2 and I’ll honestly say that the studio isn’t really all that much better, and the Ursa is only better ‘cus of the lens. (coming from someone who doesn't bother shooting in 6k, as I prefer to shoot in 4k to save space and then edit in 1080p)
Thank you for taking the time to create this video, I came here to find out more about the C100 and so the comparison was still valid for me. Why spend £2k plus when starting out. These are great cameras to learn the ropes and get decent footage. When you're more experienced you're in a better place to make a more informed decision. In the meantime, you can't go wrong with a C100 and as you said at the outset, there's plenty of them around for £500-600 (Mk1).
Dual pixel AF works very well in the C100, I've used it on a number of videos and its pretty good... I do custom set the MAGN button on the grip to turn AF off... so if you have a talking head say, it doesn't try to focus behind if the subject moves... but just like older DSLR cameras keeping the AF square on the subject tracks focus well...
Hey man, great video, you really put in the effort, a reccomendation would be to have a look at repeating information/over expaining, I just ended up for example, skipping the entire intro, because you did'nt really give any valuable info, and what you said you could've said shorter, keep up the good work!
I think a huge element unspoken here is that the cheap options help get you experience to be able to get up to speed handling and rigging out a rental when you do get larger jobs
The Blackmagic Camera is capable of a beautiful image, but it needs a lot of work, foresight and money (Accesories, fast lenses) to get there, so for me not really a $1000 camera anymore. The C100 with DAF would be my overall winner. Put a decent lens on it and it's a great grab and go camera.
I still use a C100 with DAF. I have a C200 and R6 but find myself picking up the C100 when I only need 25fps. There is something organic about some of these older sensors which I love. I just need to take a bit more time making sure my white balance and exposure is right in camera. Great video.
And thank you for this video. Amazing job, dude. Often less is more. This new tech is very hardware intensive and requires much more storage which gets pricey fast. People don't think about it.
I am trying to figure out what to buy, probably go with C100 becuase EF elns prices are good. so I found it helpful and watched the whole thing. Thanks.
Nice video. That comment at 31:58 about built in NDs separating pro cinema cameras from consumer video cameras... Best not let Arri or Panavision know that! And me remembering the times before UA-cam when only TV broadcast cameras had built in NDs, ACTUAL cinema cameras didn't have NDs, and there were no such things as consumer video cameras. Good times.
Great presentation! The thing with be Produciton Camera is that it has the best 1080p! If you compare the 1080p of different cameras you'll notice how absurdly detailed and sharp it is on the Production Camera. Also, although 800 ISO is quite noisy on the Production Camera, there is a reason to shoot at 800 ASA: There is more dynamic range and a smoother highlight rolloff. Try recording a shot in 400 and 800 that both have equally blown out highlights in some areas. Looking at your scopes you'll notice that the clipping point is different at the individual ISO settings. 400 clips at around 85 IRE and 800 clips around 105. So there's actually superwhite data when shooting 800 ISO that you can pull back. Try it, it's really cool. Just don't underexpose 800 ISO.
Love that you have all three of these to compare, but somewhat surprised that it's all tech info (which we can look up) and only 4 minutes out of 40 of actual comparison footage.
Great video. Such a lot of value still in these older cameras. The game changed around 2012/2013 with these larger sensor cameras but since then we've only really had tweaks. To a certain extent the industry is driven by camera companies and UA-camrs selling you a dream. C300 MK1 gives a higher data rate and and can still be found sub $1k. Can also be upgraded with dual pixel autofocus for around $400. FS700 should be on the list too. It's another Super 35 sensor camera and the 4K upgraded versions can shoot bursts of 4k 12 bit RAW at 120 FPS into an Atomos recorder!!! Loved mine so much I bought 2. It's an FS5 in a more awkward body for $300 less money.
Such good cameras for so cheap is crazy!!! Never has been such a time. Its because the market is waaaay too saturated... Every year, new camera, new camera. The specs through the roof!!! But you truly can make super frekin good quality video with 5dmk2. That i bought for 250!!! good Gear doesnt get old this fast. Everything is underpriced actualy, just because there is so much new things...
I think I'd rather go with a used GH5, some cheap prime lenses, a good but cheap monitor, a batterygrip and a deity shotgun-mic. I think that should cover everything for the start. GH5: 4K 60 FPS in 8-Bit 4K 30 FPS in 10-Bit (possible with ALL-Intra at 400 Mbit) FULL HD 180 FPS max in 8-Bit Prime Lenses: from 7Artisans for around 80-150 per lens (various focal lenghts). Cheap monitor: 5 inch monitor from Feelworld, probably for around 130€ new Batterygrip: pick the knock-off one --> way cheaper Audio: Pick the Deity D4 Mini for the start Awesome audio as well as an additional input on the mic, where you could input a LAV The Deity will then automatically switch to the right channel and record the LAV on the left channel. Amazing Mic And I think you can get all of that with close to 1000€ if you find a good price on the GH5 (normally around 700€ but sometimes I see it used for 400-500)
Such a great video! really helps others figure out some of the great cameras out there that are very low prices now. The C100 I have gotten to know pretty well, it is a real solid piece of kit. build in ND, XLR top handle and adjustable grip. its fantastic. the image is also really nice for HD. The video files are also really nice being MP4, pretty compressed and easier to work with for windows laptop users. The black magic, is meh. the great bits are that it has global shutter, prores and touch screen menus. Otherwise its a bit of a tank and not nice to hold. Not touched the Panasonic, although alternatively the Sony Fs7/5 are pretty price comparable. if you can still find one with the EVF cup attachment its a real winner. It has some of the nice parts of the C100 put to a more ergonomic camcorder style.
Seen quality product that can come out of the BMPC4K, but I would not use it for documentary work, unless I was trying to win a film festival, or 4k was absolutely necessary.
i'm currently using a mark 1 as the partial lynchpin of my videography kit, paired with my canon 90-D- and the two cameras seem to be almost identical, although i like using the c100 with a heavy lens, because of the extra stabilization provided by the weight. The center weighted autofocous is excellent if light is good, and the grip placement and built in XLR inputs, along with the suprisingly useful microphones built into the top handle make this an awesome piece of kit. 8.5/10 would buy by accident again (meant to get the mk 2) I've used it for drag races, nightclubs, all kinds of work.
If BlackMagic stepped it up with the ergonomics, there would be no contest for me. I love BM colors and video quality, but I can't stand the awkward form factor. It's a weird middle ground between a camera that demands to be rigged and a handheld one. If you want to go with the former for cinema and set workflow, a cube configuration is much better than having a rectangular body. If you want to appeal to run-and-gun documentary and action shooters, a camcorder-like form factor with tactile dials, built-in handles and XLR inputs is a better fit.
James Rolfe of _Cinemassacre_ / _The Angry Video Game Nerd_ used the AF100 for many years and even shot a feature-length movie on it that was released on Blu-ray. It looks amazing with the lenses he rented for that movie. This is a channel with millions of subscribers, so it's not like he was just scraping by. He finally upgraded to a GH5 (which is crazy considering that's a relatively cheap camera to be considered an upgrade), but the AF100 footage still holds up well. More from James about all of his cameras can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/uxqaI0UBDHM/v-deo.html
Cool vid. One day I might pick up a bm 4k or 2.6k as a C camera. Only thing holding me back is getting a speed booster & wireless battery set up for it. Camera is a decent price but those attachments add a bit to the price tag
I still love my AF100, and mine is still in pretty good shape, but the handle was a real pain in the hind. I 3d printed a semi vertical handle and the camera, just changed forever, now you can handle it in every situation you need. If anyone need the stl just let me know.
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I love my BMPC. It paid for itself almost immediately. If you want a camera with features and a look that rivals much more expensive cinema cameras, you can't beat it for the price.
Which one?
The original one or newer one?
@@WEHAVETHISDREAM I have the original Blackmagic Production Camera. I honestly prefer the image to the newer models (possibly because I've seen so much footage from them that it's all starting to look the same). People who I've shot for like what comes out of it, so I'm going to run with that until I absolutely need an upgrade.
@@adrianneely5882 movie "The Raid" 2011 was shoot on camcorder Panasonic AG-AF100 4/3- sensor that cant even do 1080p instead 1080i, and did 10mil in box office.
@@adrianneely5882 Im trying to get myself a cinema camera to get into the art. Is it possible attach the BMPC to a rig?
I am sorry but anybody watching this, please DO NOT take his opinion to heart! I have to say while this video is well put together, BUT it's obvious that he did not do his research on the af100 at all. I am shocked. Real talk the AF100 has more features than all of the other cameras probably combined. Like for focus you didn't even realize that it has focus peaking (one of the 1st cameras ever to offer that) and it has a focus range indicator which tells you how much of the overall scene is in focus. And also the af100 has a dynamic range extender function that allows you 12 stops of dynamic range. The AF100 actually allows you to do color grading in-camera...like basically dealing with color wheel functions, something neither one of the other cameras allow you to do. I also have been able to push the image processing in post more on an af100 than a newer G7 camera. The only real drawback is that you have to use the AVC codec which sometimes is difficult to deal with but it does allow you to get more space on your SD card and yes the infamous autofocus being slow but let's be honest, if you are using autofocus on a cinema camera than you are half-assing the process of creating cinema 🤷🏽♀️Bottom line is, get the camera you can afford, LEARN IT'S LIMITATIONS AND WORK WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES and you will be just fine....Oh and invest in glass!!
Invest in glass? I’m a beginner ild like to purchase a camera for music videos something that i can send the footage to davinci and something that looks amazing
Factz I have the af100 with Rikinon 24 lens and the atomos shogun recorder . Images look amazing
It is old camera. From everything i seen is fine but i dont know if i would dare to use it for something that i would charge money for. It is mostly learning tool at this point. It have looks and functions but IQ is where it falls short. TBS Canon is basicly same story with better image quality but on expense of much less versitile mount. Remember that af100 is only one that supports basicly any lens and speedboosters. BM4k is the best image quality and easy to use and probably most future proof of them 3. Just buy 1 with mft mount if you can.
@@SufferahsmusicHDinvest in glass = invest in good lenses
Protip: dummy invest too much in glass. Yes... A good lens is good, but there's plenty of cheap great lenses.
4:30 completely ignores the giant top handle that dominates the camera
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The AF100 was used in The Raid Directed by Gareth Evans. That film is a testament to how good the AF100 was
Correction...how good it still is!
I have the Production 4K, and it is incredible! I bought it as a backup camera to go along with my Pocket 6K. The global shutter is everything! If you're shooting a lot of action and moving your camera this is the one you need. Honestly, if this thing had false color I'd probably trade the Pocket 6K in for another one of these.
Anyway you can use a external monitor to see false color in your classic Production 4K camera
@@Moriarty2007 Probably.
I just need good slow motion even in full hd. Not cropped in 120fps or upscaled 720p 120fps.
May I ask for your opinion too?
Thanks so much.
I still use a couple of C100 MKII pumping into 2xNinja V when it's really important and I really appreciate how solid they are and how easy the footage is to work with. Getting used to the C series at the lower end helps when you rent the more expensive cameras in the range as most of what you learn on the 100 is transferable to the 300 etc. In the corporate world, the C series cameras are the standard work horses. Everybody has EF lenses which is a huge plus. However, when I'm, traveling light (most of the time) I'm still going to use my GH4 and GH5s. The GH5s into the Ninja V for prorez RAW is pretty unbeatable.
Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Great to see.
May I ask what do you think about the new GH6?
When it will be available, of course haha.
I was looking at the GH5s last week.
I don’t care if something is new or old, even looked at the C100 or Blackmagic Pocket cam, a lot of times.
But, I really need some good slow motion footage. Even full hd, but it should not be some lame cropped in 120fps or upscaled 720p.
Please help? :)
Good sir.
Great video man, I'm glad you went into detail with these cameras. I'm a c100 user and I REALLY like it. I've had access to it for a short while but coming from EOS models it was a smooth transition.
They offered me a canon C100 Mark 1 and 2 lenses for $1,000, I have only used Canon 5D and the Black Magic 4K and I'm nervous to buy the C100. It interested me cuz of the Deal $1,000, What do u thjnk
A video about this two: BMCC 2.5K vs BMPC 4K would be nice too, they're about the same price, same body, different sensors
Having used both I personally gotta recommend the 4k. Both cameras have the nice Fairchild look, although the 4k is actually a CMOSIS sensor. The color science is similar, you have to tweak the 4k a bit more to make it render nicely. The 1 stop less dynamic range on the 4k really make a huge difference as long as you are good with highlight rolloff. The crop on 4k is a good bit over super 35, but the crop on the 2.5k is absolutely bananas. The 2.5k is essentially a m4/3 sized sensor but on the active mount models its ef so you can't use focal reducers. It's pretty tough to film everything when a 12mm rectilinear lens becomes a 25mm equivalent. You need fisheye to approach 16mm territory, but if massive crop isn't a dealbreaker for you, the 4k still is preferable bc of the global shutter and sharpness. The 2.5k looks a good bit soft for modern standards, it's cleaner bc of the rolling shutter but the greater sharpness of the 4k lend itself to denoting as well as olpf/ diffusion simulation to cover up flaws. The real crown jewel is the global shutter. It does a lot more than just stop rolling distortion, it completely changes the way the camera looks as it moves through the air. Stedicam footage has a controlled and deliberate feel, the famous cutting through the air effect is greatly enhanced. Shoulder footage shake is easier to decipher and much less disorienting. Movement in general is much easier to appreciate as the flicker effect of motion blur is reduced. The images get a big, grounded, emotional feeling to them. When things are still, they feel still. When they are chaotic they feel exciting but not glitchy. The 4k gives you the opportunity to access a look that otherwise can't be had cheaper than the $6k red komodo. Both cameras are impractical to shoot with by modern standards, and somewhat niche use. The main selling point is getting a camera that makes unique, pleasant images with a few quirks but cinema consistency. The 4k has the most definitive aesthetic, and works in the most situations. Both are lovely cameras, but I personally find the 4k to be the camera that does what I want. It's easier follow the 4k's initiave, go the way that is organic to the camera, instead of fighting to make the image something it is not. Plus you can actually shoot wide, unless you are willing to get a m4/3 2.5k with a speed booster and use a micro usb cable to power the aperture control or use vintage/cinema lenses.
I agree that the C100 MKii is still the best 1080p camera out there. I own three and use them for wedding videos and customers are always impressed with the setup and final videos as well. Best 5 thousand I have ever spent on my business.
I diisagree with his statement. that the c100 is onLy good for run and gun. ITS GOOD FOR EVEYRTHING..PERIOD. I HAVE 2 M2S
movie "The Raid" 2011 was shoot on camcorder Panasonic AG-AF100 4/3- sensor that cant even do 1080p instead 1080i, and did 10mil in box office.
The AF100 does actually have a very good focus assist feature and it can easily assigned to any of the 3 user buttons. Also, it's important to note that the AF100 can use a wide range of lenses, including very affordable and lightweight lenses which might not be an option with the other cameras. There are many other factors for why someone might choose one camera over another, but those things weren't covered in this review. My choice of the 3 cameras would be the AF100.
AGREED! That camera is old but it still produces great imagery. I am using it right now as a C cam on a feature and in editing I find myself choosing shots from that cam quite often.
Straight up! He also forgot to mention face tracking which is suuuuuper useful when you are using the native lenses. Picked one up about a month ago and has been the most solid choice, the top handle is perfect for the stuff I need it for and the ergonomics of this camera compared to the other two are unmatched.
@@mistahfabb2064 ahhh I waaant one lol
43:47 When I saw the c100's images I was impressed with how clean and clear they are, but then I realized how much the blackmagic delivers something organic, it's hard to explain, it seems to have less resolution, but at the same time it's nicer.
Thanks for the video!
Idk. bMPc always looks like consumer video... There is something about it. At least to my eye..
That OG black magic is so filmic and organic! Great content, found your channel recently and subbed, your content style rocks. Keep up the killer work!
I totally get it and understand~ Making these videos takes a lot of effort and time "I love it" Nice job..
Great vid. I have a BMPC4K and love it, but here's a few extra things to consider before buying.
You need to update the firmware to the latest (2016) release, as it suffers from fixed pattern noise on any previous release - this is the main reason it was largely overlooked when released. You'll need a computer with thunderbolt 1 or 2 to do this (or by a pricey adapter from apple, but there are non-genuine ones availible). Blackmagic made the USB next to the ssd redundant for its newer updates for some reason.
It was intended to be powered by a v mount battery, however with the release of usb power delivery, you can now power it from a 12v usb PD battery bank, however I haven't tested this yet, so I can't say how long the battery will last, but it's alot cheaper than a v mount or npf for new shooters.
You can replace the internal battery, it is a bit difficult to pry it open and change it. There are some tutorials on UA-cam, but it's not really worth it. It only lasts around an hour on a brand new battery anyway. However having an internal battery is still very useful, even an original one, as it enables you to hot swap external batteries during shooting.
It was made to be in a cage, you can still find a lanparte or Tilta cage for it, but they're expensive. You can get a cheap (around £50) cage from Ali express, but you'll still need to invest in side handles, top handle, baseplate etc.
The 6g sdi is basically a hot rodded 3g sdi, they did it by removing the surge protection from the 3g. This means it's possible to blow out the sdi port by creating a ground loop between the camera and monitor. There's alot of information on the blackmagic forum about This. Apparently BM are no longer supporting repairs or making replacement sdi boards for this camera so it's worth knowing how to avoid it.
You'll want to check BM's list of compatible ssds before buying one, as slow read/write speeds will result in lost frames.
The pre-amps in this camera aren't very good. Instead of connecting a mic straight to the camera, you'll want to use an audio recorder instead, the tascam 60D mkii has great pre amps and phantom power. You can then take audio out from that into the camera to have it synced to the footage, or record scratch audio on the camera.
Aps-c photography lenses work great for anything that isn't meant to look too cinematic. Sigma's older EX lenses are quite affordable now and look pretty good.
Vintage lenses are the cheap answer to cinematic looks until you can afford some real cine glass.
I agree that if you want a complete camera that you can easily run and gun with and not have a big set up time, buy the c100.
If you want to learn how to rig use a cinema camera and learn about higher end (especially film and advertising) production in general, buy the black magic.
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Thanks dude
Very helpful advice, seriously considering this. Thank you for your help
Thanks for this!
Thank you for making this video. I am looking for a cinema camera. Just started the video, can’t wait to learn about what you found!
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i'm just gonna say, those low angles are pretty easy when you use the giant handlebar on top of the panasonic.
So many commercial spots have been recorded on the C100 for a reason. Reliable. EF Mount for the gazillion lenses you can get. Not everyone needs the 4K UHD if you can make the 1080p shine. I do have a Panasonic 4K UHD camera, and it lacks what the C100 can do, but you best play is a C100 with Dual Pixel AF. Just makes life nicer. You can still punch under $1000.00 used for that, just shop carefully. I want a C100 next time around. Plain just a great camera.
A lot of people have ignored the fixed lens Panasonic DVX200 which is a phenomenal camera with phenomenal glass. I used one just recently and quite frankly I was blown away.
It could have been THE best camcorder on the market, usability, ease of use and other features. I got rid of mine because the color space was so bad though. Even with custom color settings it had weird skin tone issues.
Those C100 cams are everywhere. Also if you spend a thousand more you can get a C100 mkii which is the gold standard for solid doc work.
I owned the AF100. I used for event video (live theatre, concerts and dance shows). I bought it new. Right out of the box it struggled with saturated reds (very common in my work). I used an Atomos Samurai Blade to record with. In post I was able to work on the reds but it was a pain. I sold it after a few years. Now I have two GH5’s, one GH5 Mk 2, and a Panasonic PX 270.
Leaving a comment because well this was such a well done video. Nice job! I feel like I know everything about these 3 cameras now.
I just bought a C100 Mark II a couple months ago and I love it.
Nice review, thanks! Since none of these cameras are new, I assume you are looking at used pieces of the cameras. In that case you might find the newer BMPCC 4K available at under 1000 USD. And if you throw that in the mix instead of the production cam 4K, there's a huge jump in quality. It would be wonderful to have a comparison of - BMPCC 4K, Panasonic GH5 and Sony FS700 (or similar older Sony cine cam), and the experience with those.
I use the BMPCC 4k and it is generally amazing, alongside it, I also use the BMS 4k, and the BM Ursa G2 and I’ll honestly say that the studio isn’t really all that much better, and the Ursa is only better ‘cus of the lens. (coming from someone who doesn't bother shooting in 6k, as I prefer to shoot in 4k to save space and then edit in 1080p)
Thanks so much for putting this together. It's great to share this information for film makers who don't have big budgets.
Thank you for taking the time to create this video, I came here to find out more about the C100 and so the comparison was still valid for me. Why spend £2k plus when starting out. These are great cameras to learn the ropes and get decent footage. When you're more experienced you're in a better place to make a more informed decision. In the meantime, you can't go wrong with a C100 and as you said at the outset, there's plenty of them around for £500-600 (Mk1).
I have the Canon Vixia HV 40 . I have 5 of them I have collected over the years. It is easy to use and the colors are great. Cool comparison.
I own the Production 4K and I love it. Beats up a lot of now days new fancy cameras. Great vid! 🤘😎
Dual pixel AF works very well in the C100, I've used it on a number of videos and its pretty good... I do custom set the MAGN button on the grip to turn AF off... so if you have a talking head say, it doesn't try to focus behind if the subject moves... but just like older DSLR cameras keeping the AF square on the subject tracks focus well...
I've never had it work for some reason even though the camera says it has it
Just bought the C100 for $450. Absolute steal. The footage looks stellar compared to my previous camera (Canon T6i)
C100 for life! I'm rocking two of em for corporate videos/livestreaming!
Hey man, great video, you really put in the effort, a reccomendation would be to have a look at repeating information/over expaining, I just ended up for example, skipping the entire intro, because you did'nt really give any valuable info, and what you said you could've said shorter, keep up the good work!
I like the black magic, I like the more balanced image I see.
But canon is way more versatile.. Battery life, nds, ergonomics etc
Omg C100 almost looks the same as BMPCC 4K :D thats epic!
I think a huge element unspoken here is that the cheap options help get you experience to be able to get up to speed handling and rigging out a rental when you do get larger jobs
Film making is one of the expensive field in the world,good job
3 amazing cameras. It's hard to beat that magic 1080 out of that Canon.
C100 is great. I love the softness and clean footage also the colors
Great video, I've been using the c100 and think it's very easy to use!
The Blackmagic Camera is capable of a beautiful image, but it needs a lot of work, foresight and money (Accesories, fast lenses) to get there, so for me not really a $1000 camera anymore. The C100 with DAF would be my overall winner. Put a decent lens on it and it's a great grab and go camera.
+1 for the C100. Still use it now as a 3rd camera for weddings.
This is like the most coolest and informative and moody video I’ve seen in a long while!
Subscribed 4 life.
I have two C100 Mark II, it’s basically the working class hero of cine cameras!
Enjoyed the comparison between cameras I have never used! Subscribed.
Great video. Thank you for the time and effort that went into creating it!
I still use a C100 with DAF. I have a C200 and R6 but find myself picking up the C100 when I only need 25fps. There is something organic about some of these older sensors which I love. I just need to take a bit more time making sure my white balance and exposure is right in camera. Great video.
A marked difference between the 4:2:2 10 bit and 4:2:0 8 bit stuff. Nice comparison for my B-camera shopping list.
personally I preferred the BM quality for the win in my books
And thank you for this video. Amazing job, dude. Often less is more. This new tech is very hardware intensive and requires much more storage which gets pricey fast. People don't think about it.
Wow. That was some work! Great video. Appreciate your efforts here. I think your summary is spot on.
woot! this is a wonderful video. thank you!!! i just picked up a C100 to learn and explore with some of my SLR lenses. cant wait to dig in. thank you.
C100m2 is incredible, bought mine last year and everything is just really good.
I am trying to figure out what to buy, probably go with C100 becuase EF elns prices are good. so I found it helpful and watched the whole thing. Thanks.
BMCC 2.5k has the better sensor in my opinion. When you learn to cope with rolling shutter and moiré it's a beast.
1080p 60fs and 4K 30fps should be the lowest you consider when buying a cinema camera imo
Nice video. That comment at 31:58 about built in NDs separating pro cinema cameras from consumer video cameras... Best not let Arri or Panavision know that! And me remembering the times before UA-cam when only TV broadcast cameras had built in NDs, ACTUAL cinema cameras didn't have NDs, and there were no such things as consumer video cameras. Good times.
Thanks for this comparison and the effort you put into this
Great presentation! The thing with be Produciton Camera is that it has the best 1080p! If you compare the 1080p of different cameras you'll notice how absurdly detailed and sharp it is on the Production Camera. Also, although 800 ISO is quite noisy on the Production Camera, there is a reason to shoot at 800 ASA: There is more dynamic range and a smoother highlight rolloff. Try recording a shot in 400 and 800 that both have equally blown out highlights in some areas. Looking at your scopes you'll notice that the clipping point is different at the individual ISO settings. 400 clips at around 85 IRE and 800 clips around 105. So there's actually superwhite data when shooting 800 ISO that you can pull back. Try it, it's really cool. Just don't underexpose 800 ISO.
In interesting review! I hadn't considered looking at older cine cameras before.
What did you came across so far, if I may ask?
This video...chefs kiss 🤌
Love that you have all three of these to compare, but somewhat surprised that it's all tech info (which we can look up) and only 4 minutes out of 40 of actual comparison footage.
Awesome comparison!
Great comparative review. Lots of valuable information and personal insights.
Great video. Such a lot of value still in these older cameras. The game changed around 2012/2013 with these larger sensor cameras but since then we've only really had tweaks. To a certain extent the industry is driven by camera companies and UA-camrs selling you a dream. C300 MK1 gives a higher data rate and and can still be found sub $1k. Can also be upgraded with dual pixel autofocus for around $400. FS700 should be on the list too. It's another Super 35 sensor camera and the 4K upgraded versions can shoot bursts of 4k 12 bit RAW at 120 FPS into an Atomos recorder!!! Loved mine so much I bought 2. It's an FS5 in a more awkward body for $300 less money.
Such good cameras for so cheap is crazy!!! Never has been such a time. Its because the market is waaaay too saturated... Every year, new camera, new camera. The specs through the roof!!!
But you truly can make super frekin good quality video with 5dmk2. That i bought for 250!!!
good Gear doesnt get old this fast. Everything is underpriced actualy, just because there is so much new things...
movie "The Raid" 2011 was shoot on camcorder Panasonic AG-AF100 4/3- sensor that cant even do 1080p instead 1080i, and did 10mil in box office.
AF100 got paid update that adds slightly higher 28mbps 60/50p options. It is also only one that you can use with speedboosters on and extend FOV.
I think I'd rather go with a used GH5, some cheap prime lenses, a good but cheap monitor, a batterygrip and a deity shotgun-mic.
I think that should cover everything for the start.
GH5:
4K 60 FPS in 8-Bit
4K 30 FPS in 10-Bit (possible with ALL-Intra at 400 Mbit)
FULL HD 180 FPS max in 8-Bit
Prime Lenses:
from 7Artisans for around 80-150 per lens (various focal lenghts).
Cheap monitor:
5 inch monitor from Feelworld, probably for around 130€ new
Batterygrip:
pick the knock-off one --> way cheaper
Audio:
Pick the Deity D4 Mini for the start
Awesome audio as well as an additional input on the mic, where you could input a LAV
The Deity will then automatically switch to the right channel and record the LAV on the left channel.
Amazing Mic
And I think you can get all of that with close to 1000€ if you find a good price on the GH5 (normally around 700€ but sometimes I see it used for 400-500)
Thanks
Thanks for this! Much appreciated.
Quite an informative video. I found it extremely useful at zeroing in on my cinema photography entry point.
Thanks
A quick suggestion from the viewer's perspective: Turn down the background music volume to almost silent when you are talking. It's too distracting.
thank you
Such a great video! really helps others figure out some of the great cameras out there that are very low prices now.
The C100 I have gotten to know pretty well, it is a real solid piece of kit. build in ND, XLR top handle and adjustable grip. its fantastic. the image is also really nice for HD. The video files are also really nice being MP4, pretty compressed and easier to work with for windows laptop users.
The black magic, is meh. the great bits are that it has global shutter, prores and touch screen menus. Otherwise its a bit of a tank and not nice to hold.
Not touched the Panasonic, although alternatively the Sony Fs7/5 are pretty price comparable. if you can still find one with the EVF cup attachment its a real winner. It has some of the nice parts of the C100 put to a more ergonomic camcorder style.
great video, thanks for the info
Great work mate. Comprehensive and well made!
Thanks for the effort man! Nice video! 👏🏽👏🏽
I got you. Happy to help. Good job, i know how videos can be and the time.
Agreed C100!
this video is really what i needed, thanks man.
c100 has the slowmo option
Later versions of the AF100 had 10 bit 4.2.2 output.
Good comparison video indeed... Please keep up with the good work.
Seen quality product that can come out of the BMPC4K, but I would not use it for documentary work, unless I was trying to win a film festival, or 4k was absolutely necessary.
i'm currently using a mark 1 as the partial lynchpin of my videography kit, paired with my canon 90-D- and the two cameras seem to be almost identical, although i like using the c100 with a heavy lens, because of the extra stabilization provided by the weight. The center weighted autofocous is excellent if light is good, and the grip placement and built in XLR inputs, along with the suprisingly useful microphones built into the top handle make this an awesome piece of kit. 8.5/10 would buy by accident again (meant to get the mk 2)
I've used it for drag races, nightclubs, all kinds of work.
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There is a way to get 60 frames out of the Canon C100 with 60i but be careful using it as it might have artifacts. Search for Canon c100 60i to 60p
If BlackMagic stepped it up with the ergonomics, there would be no contest for me. I love BM colors and video quality, but I can't stand the awkward form factor. It's a weird middle ground between a camera that demands to be rigged and a handheld one. If you want to go with the former for cinema and set workflow, a cube configuration is much better than having a rectangular body. If you want to appeal to run-and-gun documentary and action shooters, a camcorder-like form factor with tactile dials, built-in handles and XLR inputs is a better fit.
Heck yeah bro love your content
Thank you!!
James Rolfe of _Cinemassacre_ / _The Angry Video Game Nerd_ used the AF100 for many years and even shot a feature-length movie on it that was released on Blu-ray. It looks amazing with the lenses he rented for that movie. This is a channel with millions of subscribers, so it's not like he was just scraping by.
He finally upgraded to a GH5 (which is crazy considering that's a relatively cheap camera to be considered an upgrade), but the AF100 footage still holds up well.
More from James about all of his cameras can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/uxqaI0UBDHM/v-deo.html
dude, you're like begging people to help your channel. chill out.
Video chapters will definitely be helpful. Hope you'll add it on the description for better viewing experience.
C100 love everything
Cool vid. One day I might pick up a bm 4k or 2.6k as a C camera.
Only thing holding me back is getting a speed booster & wireless battery set up for it. Camera is a decent price but those attachments add a bit to the price tag
Excellent content! Thank you for all that you do!
Love what you’re doing dude
The C100 and Blackmagic look great even by todays standards, the global shutter on the Blackmagic is great
I still love my AF100, and mine is still in pretty good shape, but the handle was a real pain in the hind. I 3d printed a semi vertical handle and the camera, just changed forever, now you can handle it in every situation you need. If anyone need the stl just let me know.
I appreciate your work mate.
Great work my guy
Just subscribed bro, super high quality content totally worth a sub 💪😩