I’m live on twitch right now! Twitch.tv/fantasynews Emily continues to be basically my funniest friend. Of course, everyone’s opinions is their own. Just wanted to get casual peoples opinions on one of the most anticipated fantasy shows.
Those who are fans of Tolkien's type in: 'Lord of Cringe: Amazon hires fake fans to push an narrative' on UA-cam. While it's not the original UK video, it's because they unlisted it, however you could find it because few channels has re-upload the original UK video and you can why in the comments or the UK video itself. This is one of the reasons we need to gatekeep and not let the Trojan Horse in. No matter what. They also have six video in six languages from their respective countries with their own influencers to represent them. In Dutch, German, French, Italian and Spanish.
I've also seen people who say Twilight is "Transformers movies for women." Which, ironically, was supposed to be a defense against male haters, but to me just made me think, "So you're admitting it's garbage?"
@@thegodofalldragons As someone who has said that before, oh yeah definitely. Both are garbage. And both really appealed to an 11-year-old me, until I grew out of them a few years later. They served their purpose as easily watchable garbage for teens, and in present day they're sometimes enjoyed with friends or alone for a wonderful 3 am nostalgia trip 😂 But it is funny how things loved by teenage girls are so much more disproportionally hated on by the general public, so I will keep defending Twilight disproportionally because of that, while being aware that objectively speaking both franchises are equally garbage.
Yeah. I didn't like her saying that either. Plus I'm non-binary and I adore LotR (and The Silmarillion). And there are many women out there that love LotR. And yeah, Twilight is garbage.
@@blorbidorbi I think a big part of the vitriol for Twilight and its ilk is how it romanticizes horrible people having horrible relationships. It's not just because of sparkling vampires (though that doesn't help). I get tired of the "you just hate it because it's for girls" argument when it's legit just an awful story.
As only a casual LOTR fan (read the OT like 20 years ago, loved the first 3 movies, didn't care for the Hobbit films, didn't finish Silmarillion), I gotta agree with a lot of your friends' takes. Lukewarm reception to the trailer, perfectly captured by Emily's quote, "seems like so much yet nothing at all!" A sweeping score, dramatic shots, CGI monsters, and people in armour fighting. Really generic feeling and the weird lighting/CGI did not make it look like a $1B series.
Whoa, Emily's comment triggered me in ways I hadn't expected. Gay dude here who got into LotR because of my mom, and my best female friends are devoted Tolkien fans. Similarly, Tolkien's work has been a passion of mine for decades. I've explored all the lore, the philosophy, the scholarly literature, the letters, and Tolkien's own artwork (hell, even the entire Inkling circle). Even browsing all the forums, I've never once felt that Middle-earth was "for men," or that it was trash fantasy content for dudebros.
@@StefanPiano Sure was said with a lot of conviction though haha but agreed. It is a joke. thinking Stephanie Meyer can be compared with Tplkien is nothing more than laughable, let alone delving any further like she did
@@saraeissa4954 Definitely a huge fan of Narnia (again, literally read *everything* by Lewis, haha). If that's what you think Middle-earth is, then I'm excited for you to begin digging in. :-)
It's kinda funny how a lot of these people were thinking this show was going to be straight up animated because of how... questionable... some stuff looks. I was not alone....
"I think LotR is Twilight for Men" bruh. Twilight WISHES it was even 1/10th as a good as LOTR, I can't even with her comment. lord. to each their own i suppose but gawd damn.
As a casual fantasy fan, the problem I find with trailers for fantasy shows/movies to me is that they all seem somewhat alike. Like they're so intent on convincing us that it's the next big thing that I don't even really understand what they're trying to get me excited about. "Oh it's a bunch of CGI monsters and now people wearing armour whack things with swords and WOW flashy magic effects." What gets me excited is the premise. Like, I get it's epic fantasy but *what is it actually about?* Who are we following? What is the inciting incident? What are cursory examples of roadblocks they might encounter? To give an example from LotR, when Fellowship came out, the previews I saw specifically zoned in on the Hobbits initially trying to evade the Ringwraiths. As a kid who hadn't even read the books, there was still an immediate hook there. I got that these little fellas were carrying this magic ring that these scary guys wanted, and those guys were SCARY. 😂 (But crucially, it left me wanting to know what would happen next!)
I think being a hardcore fantasy fan would just make that feeling worse, because then you'd have seen this all before, but done better. I'd say I'm a bit more than casual sci-fi fan, and I was turned off of the Halo show precisely because its trailer was all generic sci-fi sludge with nothing unique (or, I might add, accurate to the source material) to get me hooked.
@@thegodofalldragons I love me some good sci-fi, but I can't bear how so many trailers have *those* sound beats, ever since the likes of Inception and Transformers 😫. You know the ones I mean!
Sadly I'm with you. There is nothing here yet that hooks me to think that this is anything other than generic fantasy. If I saw the Netflix logo at the end and not Amazon I would not be surprised at all.
I'm very much a big fantasy fan, as well as a general Sci-Fi fan, but I've noticed that within both genres their trailers tend to be entirely focused on action when the content may not be. Even if the show/film does include a lot of action, action isn't the only aapect that interests fantasy fans; it's usually the worlds & systems itself. So if the trailers took the time to open up the world slowly, input dialogue that gives a little bit of insight into a character's personality, and showcased more day-to-day aspects of the world, then it would feel more fantasy. Build up the world rather than thrust action into the audience's face. EG: that scene where the elf caught an arrow then proceeded to shoot it back should have been one of the main action scenes. It wasn't too intense, so it's able to fit between more laid-back scenes, but it was still action enough to intrigue the audience. (Also speed it up because I notice that a lot of action scenes in modern media are slowed down when they would actually be much more attention grabbing if they'd simply play at normal speed.) To go from general British landscape, to a shot out of Universal Picture's 'Peter Pan', to an intense mountain climbing shot, to a naked(?) lady drowning, to an elf shooting an arrow (the first and only fantasy feeling I got) just does work well together imo. This is only the first season yet the trailer was like a weird mishmash of introduction and climax.
Personally, I'm in the camp of thinking it's gonna be bad. Like really bad. The more I hear about it, the more hope I lose. It really looks like they're breaking a lot of the lore, and it just doesn't feel like the Lord of the Rings to me. Not to mention how basically the entire show seems to be made up shit. They have confessed that they only have the rights to LotR and The Hobbit, not the Silmarillion or the Unfinished Tales, nothing. They say that, and I quote, "we are reading between the lines, to write the novel that Tolkien never wrote". It seems like it's almost entirely made up. And I don't even know what to say about that disgustingly cringey "superfans react" video. They are very clearly not real fans, and have been exposed several times as being paid actors. And all they talk about in the video is diversity and representation. And don't get me wrong, diversity is great, it's awesome to see more inclusion in media, but when that's ALL you talk about, it just seems like that's all that's important to the show. They never talk about the story itself or the world, only diversity. This video received HUGE backlash, to the point that Amazon was so embarrassed that they took down the video. You can only find it via reuploads, now. Overall I'm very conflicted, but it pains me to say that it's more than likely going to just be more woke garbage.
They do have the rights to the appendices, though. And that covers a surprising amount of lore which will be enough to form a coherent context to the events of the show. I do agree that I'm a bit fearful of just how much they will be bending the lore, but I still have hope that it will be decent at the very least. Maybe it will be like the Shadow of War games in that it does basically whatever the hell it wants with the lore (Helm Hammerhand a Ringwraith, like what?), but it was still a good time. Also, while us hardcore fans may dislike deviations from the lore, we can still be glad that this series will introduce a whole new group of fans to the greater stories of Tolkien's legendarium.
@@benjaminjane93 Yes, it is a direct quote from the producers of the show, I shit you not. Here's their entire statement: "We have the rights solely to the LotR books, The Hobbit, and the appendices. And that is it. We don't have the rights to the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, or any of those other books. But there's a VERSION of everything we need for the Second Age in the books we have the rights to. As long as we're painting within those lines and not EGREGIOUSLY contradicting the books, there's a lot of leeway to dramatize and improve upon these stories. We took all these little clues and thought of them as stars in the sky that we then connected to write the novel that Tolkien never wrote about the Second Age." Jesus fucking christ....
@AGuyWhoLikesStuff, they've got the rights to the literal text, which they're not allowed to change in any way, which is why they're using the 150 page appendices at the end of Return of the King - essentially an overview of the Second Age, which they are incredibly loosely interpreting and inserting identity politics into (Galadriel in armour for example)
it's 50 shades of grey now. Twilight was like the female hobbit whereas 50 shades of grey is the female LOTR. i can't wait to see what the female silmarillion is gonna be.
Ladies, let me ask a question. Why? This isn't an attack more being completely flabbergasted. (especially since male power fantasies are often scrutinized by female watchers/players/readers) Like I get enjoying dumb power fantasies, which twilight is a sort of equivalent. But having it be the top? That'd be like The expendables being the top selling movie for men. And having 50 shades be the top is like having a harem hentei as the top selling. Seriously, why?
2 meteors in the Legendarium. The one in the first age that was made into Turin's black sword. And the other in the 2nd/3rd age that became a holly object that the undead army originally swore their oath on. I presume Meteor man is Sauron in disguise going deep undercover for whatever reason.
my theory is that the man in the meteorite, if not one of the blue wizards or some other emissary of the valar, could be a new ainur coming into arda, like tulkas in the dawn of days, we could even be seeing the origins of Tom Bombadil
@@ehned You mean Eöl? "He forged two great black swords from a meteorite's metal, but had to give the sword Anglachel to Thingol as tribute for living in Nan Elmoth. The other sword, Anguirel, he kept for himself." ~TOWTRTA And then Anguirel was stolen by his son, Maeglin. Anglachel was given to Beleg (sad story follows).
I hope that one girl was joking - yeah there are still problems with sexism in society, but I guarantee you that women can go see movies that they want to see in the modern day. Claiming LotR is bigger than Twilight because men rule society is insanity.
@@CM-ss5pe eh, maybe a bit but not really. I’m sure LotR has a higher percentage male audience, but i don’t thinks it’s specifically pandering to a male audience in the same way Twilight is for women. I think a better candidate for “Twilight for men” would be something like 300 or James Bond.
LOTR is simply bigger because it appeals to everybody, and not just adolescents who haven’t had one healthy relationship yet so they can’t notice the red flags.
I like the guy with the black glasses. He’s into nerdy shit but not LOTR but respects its significance and has a mild understanding. “I’ll let people talk about it” 😂 that’s so polite and as close to idc as you can get.
Let's be honest pips' I the only opinion that anybody really cares about. When he said ~purrr~ I was mind-blown at the level of insight that cat can share with us. He must be one of the greatest philosophers of our time
Wow...I didn't think that I could ever be triggered by anything until I heard those words from Emily. She is objectively not wrong per se, but I hate that now whenever I'm going to talk or even think about LOTR, I will be thinking of her statement.
I think she is objectively wrong. Writing quality of Twilight and LotR are different. I do think LotR is kind of a malefantasy but i think that stems from (for me at least) that it was always a story about bonding through war/hardtimes. I wouldn't put that in the same category as Twilight woman lovefantasy, more correct comparison would be your typical actionhero powerfantasies. Some superheroes, newer fast and the furious, etc. Twilight is a teenfantasy, LotR is really for all agegroups. "Feeds men's internal need to be homoerotic" Sure you can look at LotR like that, you are just very narrow minded. Such a horseshit statement honestly. Men can love other men platonically and form deep bonds.
@@user-ll9fb5kv6b I get what you're saying but what is considered good/bad quality literature is totally a subjective opinion. Literature holds no intrinsic value, It's the people who give literature its meaning, and that meaning can change from person to person. While I detest the writing in Twilight, it doesn't mean that everyone will hate it but my opinion will be as valid as the opinion of someone who loves that type of writing. In the end, what someone considers good/bad writing is just an opinion, and not a fact.
Y’all need to chill the f out for real. Y’all DO realize a lot of folks watching the movies aren’t super fans like you all and on top of that you ever think people get all triggered when their stuff is compared to Lord of the Rings?? Like, have some perspective for a bit, these are types of regular movie goers LOTR is trying to attract to their show not just mega fans so it’s insightful hearing the type of perspective they have to contend with to get more than just the mega fans watching
The trailer honestly felt to me like a Narnia type fantasy because of the voice talking about wonders. I felt like the trailer should have been with a bit of suspense or the beginning voice being serious about something feeling wrong in the world.
First they came for the Star Trek, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Star Trek fan. Then they came for Star Wars, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Star Wars fan. Then they came for Wheel of Time, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Wheel of Time fan. Then they came for my books and films - and there was no one left to speak for what I loved.
I loved the twilight for men quote but as a woman, twilight would not even be the last book I would want to be considered as a classic for a women powered society. God, even thinking about that is so scary.
"Twilight for men". If this have been said a decade ago, forget [Insert relevant affairs of that time here], hordes of Tolkien fans sacking bookstores and teenage girls houses to pile those books and burn them would have been the most shocking and significant event of the late 2000's and early 2010's.
Maddy continues to be the funniest person on this channel, one person is trying to make a very good point then we cut back to her playing smash or pass
Great video idea, very funny and kind of reflecting a lot of the internet's thoughts on this trailer IMO. It's kind of a summary of what people thought of the trailer, including the contrast of "while watching it" and "afterwards, having thought about it". Great job 👍
Out of 532 comments, only three seemed to mention the elephant in the room regarding this show (and the destruction of Tolkien's lore)... take a guess as to what that might be...
One of my major issues with the elves is how young they look. I guarantee you none of the elves in the RoP are adolescents within the context of whatever story it is that they’re trying to tell, so why on earth did they cast such young looking actors? Give me not so fresh faced actors who can convey being healthy and strong but also wise far beyond their years! I just don’t buy it with the people they casted! 🤷♀️
It's also super relatable. Would I make time to watch this show? No. Would I let my friend put this show on while we're already hanging out and watching stuff? Sure.
potential spoiler* 'As someone who’s a ultra fantasy nerd,' challenge, theorise the origins of the meteor, could it be the ainur using it as a means of transportation, a prison someone powerful escaped from, or could it be a telling of the beginning of arda, an elf perhaps or even an ainur, telling of when melkor descended upon this world.
A wide ranging response as in, some gushed, others hated…yes. But I would say there was an overwhelming 90% of hatred. Well deserved hatred imo. The show does not look like it’s going to respect Tolkien in the slightest. I hope it’s a amazing, but I’ve had a lot of fears for a long time about this, and the trailer and VF article seemed to confirm them all (besides the sex and nudity).
I agree with Pips, I’m so outta here 🤣 they appear to have changed Galadriel too much in the name of making a powerful female character, but she was ALREADY a powerful female character. No need to ruin perfection, Amazon. Not to mention that cringey “superfan” video that Amazon made XD But hey, even if I’m not hyped about the show, it’s fine if other people are. Everyone has their own opinions.
Galadriel being a powerful warrior is canonically accurate in that age. [Galadriel] was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats” - Tolkien Letter 348
@@BillBrasky5351 I agree with this, but it does specifically say this was in athletic feats. It wasn't really about her being a warrior. I don't think it's ruining it, but it does seem to deviate a bit from the lore.
“Twilight for men”, can’t LOTR be enjoyed by everyone? My female friends love the movies too, so I’m not sure why the books/movies would only be “for men”
Love Maddy's priorities while watching the trailer, commenting on the important stuff, 10/10. And Reed was hilarious "it looks better than the Golden Compass" LOL I guess that's good news???? 😂
It is not surprising to me that the people who truly love and know LOTR, are the most skeptical and worried. I feel the same. I have almost no hope at this point.
So far I've found 'true' Tolkien fans upset over things that are actually canonically accurate (Galadriel being a warrior), are irrelevant to the story (elf skin tone), or about condensing the timeline and adding in things that didn't happen... Which Peter Jackson did. Eh, it looks okay. Good and bad, not a lot to go on as of right now.
@@BillBrasky5351 To be fair, Galadriel is never described as being a warrior or doing warrior things. Elves are always described as being fair of skin and long of hair. And no one really liked the changes Jackson made. They were "OK" with them because he made a concerted effort to be true to the material, to the spirit of Tolkien, and made an awesome trilogy of movies. I would personally prefer if Tolkien's works were represented with respect and reverence. Not the arrogance associated with opinions and agendas. So far, i am not impressed.
@@davidconnelly1362 Actually I do think the arrival of Elrond on the eve of battle with the sword is just a fantastic change. Thouch to be fair it is something that works for a movie not nessacerily a book so there is that.
@@MissCaraMint I don't necessarily disagree with you on that point. I understand the need or motivation to change things for the good of an adaptation. When I said that "no one really liked the changes Jackson made." I was really just stating things in general. I had major problems with the first half of fellowship, and the exclusion of certain characters throughout the trilogy. But all in all, I think most people would agree that the LOTR trilogy of movies was a fantastic adaptation. One done with " respect and reverence. Not the arrogance associated with opinions and agendas." To quote myself. ;)
@@davidconnelly1362 I actually disagree with you about fellowship. Everything that was cut for the movie would not have worked well in a movie format. It would be too disjointed for people to watch. Sepecially since runtime had to be a certain length for theater release. Sure it takes some underlying explinations away form being presented in the movies as a whole, but it doesn’t really have much of a different impact form when you are reading the book and having to consult the various indexes or maybe even the Sillmarilion to really get the context. The important thing is that the movies can be enjoyed with or without the added lore, which you can look up if you want, and that’s half the fun of Tolkien anyway.
my theory is that the man in the meteorite, if not one of the blue wizards or some other emissary of the valar, could be a new ainur coming into arda, like tulkas in the dawn of days, we could even be seeing the origins of Tom Bombadil
"It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like. - Lindsey Weber, E.P. Amazon's LOTR Series, Vanity Fair (Feb. 2022) "There are certainly themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyse what was important to Tolkien and to try to honour that. In a way, were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves. - Peter Jackson, Interview with GreenCine (Dec. 2002)
The Tolkien super fan video kinda killed all hype I could possibly have for this show. Not just how bad the video was. But what the video itself means. People can tell when enthusiasm is artificial. That 'Tolkien Super Fans' video was artificial. I'm genuinely stoked some of your friends are excited.
The sad thing is none of those people are superfans and the UK one had only one person that mentioned the Silmarillion in a reading list of to read books. None of those people even have anything Tolkien on any of their social media accounts. So all of that was fake. And you could tell by watching and listening to them talk. Amazon is going to ruin this.
In the opening when they say «..If sauron is hot..», and I’m just like of course he is gonna be hot. He litterally disguised himself as a super hot guy to seduce people into trusting him. That’s the lore.
About the meteor - Eöl, the Dark Elf, forged the black swords Anglachel (later remade into Gurthang) and Anguirel out of "iron that fell from heaven as a flaming star". Túrin Turambar used Gurthang to slay the dragon Glaurung.
Amazon: we'll spend a lot on CGI, it'll be great People after a couple shots: ehmm, too much CGI, it seems Amazon: well, at least we're gonna crush it with the diversity and all! People: ... ... ...
I don't think this type of video is for me. There are reaction videos and there are reaction videos. I am much more interested in more in depth discussions where people who know a lot about Tolkien's universe or are experts/professionals in story telling, television, or CGI can give a meaningful analysis about what the trailer and it's elements might mean for the show. Would be down for more in depth discussions with your GF(?), the one who actually knows Tolkien's works. I also understand that how the show appeals to the average consumer is important for it's commercial success but I don't think I will be interested in that aspect until a season is out.
For example merging Glorfindel into Arwen was a great idea (partially also because there are too few female roles in the books), so I agree with Kayla that merging some characters could pay off well.
This. I'm totally fine with changes made to lore/story if it makes sense and furthers the plot. A lot of the changes that the original movies did made sense and some I actually like more than the books. But if they just change things for the sake of changing them it'll feel weird, the addition of so many new characters from the get out doesn't feel great but we'll see.
It seems like the budget save for the big battle down the road of season 1. 1 billion season 1. ep1 - 50m 2 - 50m 3 - 50m 4- 50m 5 - 100m 6 - 300 m 7 - 300m 8 - 100m TOTAL 1 BILLION spent it like that and give us the big battles LOTR IS KNOWN FOR. 6 and 7 episodes i believe will be huge.
The Peter Jackson movies are not perfect adaptations. There were room for improvement. But the fact is that they DID RESPECT the basics of the story, its themes and most of its characters. They did respect Middle-Earth and it history. They did cut some important scenes and they did make some unnecessary changes, yes, but, all in all, you could recognise Lord of the Rings. This thing, however, can't be qualified as an adaptation, considering that, in 1 minute of footage, they show NOTHING from the stuff one would expect from the Second Age. Nothing but a single shot of Numenor. Why are they compressing the timeline? Why do Galadriel looks like Joan of Arc? Who the hell is that hobbit girl straight out from Peter Pan? Who the hell are those weird looking hunters? Who the hell are "Adar", "Bronwyn", "Halbard" and "Arondir"? And there is a meteor man?? If you read the leaks or even the interviews with the writers, things become much worse. It's obvious they just don't care. They have bought a LOGO and that's it. Oh, and by the way: the aesthetic looks awful, the costumes looks awful and the hairstyles look awful. Money is no substitute for talent.
I think that most people are at first are just going to be really confused why Gandalf and Frodo aren’t in the show. I think a lot of people think that Tolkien made the Jackson movies. I don’t know how that logic works, but that’s the vibe a lot of people give off.
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Emily continues to be basically my funniest friend. Of course, everyone’s opinions is their own. Just wanted to get casual peoples opinions on one of the most anticipated fantasy shows.
Until I see Team Aragorn vs Team Legolas fights, her analysis is invalid. :)
I enjoyed Emily’s take, especially since it could be taken as unintentional sexist against women.
Did you see the shocking reveal of sanderson. Thats hard to describe its , you have to see yourself.
Those who are fans of Tolkien's type in: 'Lord of Cringe: Amazon hires fake fans to push an narrative' on UA-cam.
While it's not the original UK video, it's because they unlisted it, however you could find it because few channels has re-upload the original UK video and you can why in the comments or the UK video itself.
This is one of the reasons we need to gatekeep and not let the Trojan Horse in. No matter what.
They also have six video in six languages from their respective countries with their own influencers to represent them. In Dutch, German, French, Italian and Spanish.
@@firefoxriouyh6541 $1B at stake and it shows how desperate Amazon is. lol
I have to argue with Emily real quick by saying LoTR is not male Twilight, we already have a male Twilight and it's called James Bond.
I've also seen people who say Twilight is "Transformers movies for women." Which, ironically, was supposed to be a defense against male haters, but to me just made me think, "So you're admitting it's garbage?"
@@thegodofalldragons As someone who has said that before, oh yeah definitely. Both are garbage. And both really appealed to an 11-year-old me, until I grew out of them a few years later. They served their purpose as easily watchable garbage for teens, and in present day they're sometimes enjoyed with friends or alone for a wonderful 3 am nostalgia trip 😂
But it is funny how things loved by teenage girls are so much more disproportionally hated on by the general public, so I will keep defending Twilight disproportionally because of that, while being aware that objectively speaking both franchises are equally garbage.
Didnt dig her overall attitude tbh,
Yeah. I didn't like her saying that either. Plus I'm non-binary and I adore LotR (and The Silmarillion). And there are many women out there that love LotR. And yeah, Twilight is garbage.
@@blorbidorbi I think a big part of the vitriol for Twilight and its ilk is how it romanticizes horrible people having horrible relationships. It's not just because of sparkling vampires (though that doesn't help). I get tired of the "you just hate it because it's for girls" argument when it's legit just an awful story.
Twilight for men. If you're referring to its cult-like following, then yes. If you're referring to the quality of its writing, I am gonna pass out.
Pips had some really valuable insight to share, gonna be thinking about that for a while
Pips is definitely that guy that doesn't say much, but when he does you _pay attention_
I cried tbh
As only a casual LOTR fan (read the OT like 20 years ago, loved the first 3 movies, didn't care for the Hobbit films, didn't finish Silmarillion), I gotta agree with a lot of your friends' takes. Lukewarm reception to the trailer, perfectly captured by Emily's quote, "seems like so much yet nothing at all!" A sweeping score, dramatic shots, CGI monsters, and people in armour fighting. Really generic feeling and the weird lighting/CGI did not make it look like a $1B series.
Whoa, Emily's comment triggered me in ways I hadn't expected. Gay dude here who got into LotR because of my mom, and my best female friends are devoted Tolkien fans. Similarly, Tolkien's work has been a passion of mine for decades. I've explored all the lore, the philosophy, the scholarly literature, the letters, and Tolkien's own artwork (hell, even the entire Inkling circle). Even browsing all the forums, I've never once felt that Middle-earth was "for men," or that it was trash fantasy content for dudebros.
Probably a joke, I thought it was funny
@@StefanPiano Sure was said with a lot of conviction though haha but agreed. It is a joke. thinking Stephanie Meyer can be compared with Tplkien is nothing more than laughable, let alone delving any further like she did
@@matthewocallaghan3062 I hope you both are right! :-) It hurts to think someone can genuinely think so poorly of a masterpiece lol.
@@saraeissa4954 Definitely a huge fan of Narnia (again, literally read *everything* by Lewis, haha). If that's what you think Middle-earth is, then I'm excited for you to begin digging in. :-)
She was so toxic 🤢
It's kinda funny how a lot of these people were thinking this show was going to be straight up animated because of how... questionable... some stuff looks. I was not alone....
I’m still confused by those comments. Nothing in this trailer gave me that vibe, especially not the characters.
I think they meant 3D CGI animated. Which I totally get. Especially the shot of the woman jumping onto the ice-wall. Really fake looking.
Adored everyone's reactions, though personally I feel like Pips should be given his own segment. He has a future in this I think.
Pips Corner :)
"terrible moustache haver"
lmao. I respect his confidence tho
"I think LotR is Twilight for Men" bruh. Twilight WISHES it was even 1/10th as a good as LOTR, I can't even with her comment. lord.
to each their own i suppose but gawd damn.
From an objective basis, she's on something.
@@seank.2589 Not even. There are good female protagonist series fantasy books out there like Throne of Glass. Twilight is like Fast and Furious.
"What a shame of a billion dollars" seems the only true reaction one can have to this shit.
100% Agree. Can't wait to not watch.
Comparing Tolkien to Twilight makes less sense than comparing a nail clipper to what the taste of the color blue smells like.
"Does it look like a billion dollars.... no"
I almost coughed up a tonsil laughing when Emily said it's Male Twilight.
I was listening while at work and cough-laughed so hard my co-workers became concerned.
She actually said Twilight for men. But whatever.
@@carlosroo5460 same thing.
Shoot you should have, beats getting surgery
As a casual fantasy fan, the problem I find with trailers for fantasy shows/movies to me is that they all seem somewhat alike. Like they're so intent on convincing us that it's the next big thing that I don't even really understand what they're trying to get me excited about.
"Oh it's a bunch of CGI monsters and now people wearing armour whack things with swords and WOW flashy magic effects."
What gets me excited is the premise. Like, I get it's epic fantasy but *what is it actually about?* Who are we following? What is the inciting incident? What are cursory examples of roadblocks they might encounter?
To give an example from LotR, when Fellowship came out, the previews I saw specifically zoned in on the Hobbits initially trying to evade the Ringwraiths. As a kid who hadn't even read the books, there was still an immediate hook there. I got that these little fellas were carrying this magic ring that these scary guys wanted, and those guys were SCARY. 😂 (But crucially, it left me wanting to know what would happen next!)
I think being a hardcore fantasy fan would just make that feeling worse, because then you'd have seen this all before, but done better. I'd say I'm a bit more than casual sci-fi fan, and I was turned off of the Halo show precisely because its trailer was all generic sci-fi sludge with nothing unique (or, I might add, accurate to the source material) to get me hooked.
@@thegodofalldragons I love me some good sci-fi, but I can't bear how so many trailers have *those* sound beats, ever since the likes of Inception and Transformers 😫. You know the ones I mean!
@@jakerockznoodles *BWWAAAHH*
Sadly I'm with you. There is nothing here yet that hooks me to think that this is anything other than generic fantasy. If I saw the Netflix logo at the end and not Amazon I would not be surprised at all.
I'm very much a big fantasy fan, as well as a general Sci-Fi fan, but I've noticed that within both genres their trailers tend to be entirely focused on action when the content may not be. Even if the show/film does include a lot of action, action isn't the only aapect that interests fantasy fans; it's usually the worlds & systems itself. So if the trailers took the time to open up the world slowly, input dialogue that gives a little bit of insight into a character's personality, and showcased more day-to-day aspects of the world, then it would feel more fantasy.
Build up the world rather than thrust action into the audience's face. EG: that scene where the elf caught an arrow then proceeded to shoot it back should have been one of the main action scenes. It wasn't too intense, so it's able to fit between more laid-back scenes, but it was still action enough to intrigue the audience. (Also speed it up because I notice that a lot of action scenes in modern media are slowed down when they would actually be much more attention grabbing if they'd simply play at normal speed.) To go from general British landscape, to a shot out of Universal Picture's 'Peter Pan', to an intense mountain climbing shot, to a naked(?) lady drowning, to an elf shooting an arrow (the first and only fantasy feeling I got) just does work well together imo. This is only the first season yet the trailer was like a weird mishmash of introduction and climax.
Personally, I'm in the camp of thinking it's gonna be bad. Like really bad. The more I hear about it, the more hope I lose. It really looks like they're breaking a lot of the lore, and it just doesn't feel like the Lord of the Rings to me. Not to mention how basically the entire show seems to be made up shit. They have confessed that they only have the rights to LotR and The Hobbit, not the Silmarillion or the Unfinished Tales, nothing. They say that, and I quote, "we are reading between the lines, to write the novel that Tolkien never wrote". It seems like it's almost entirely made up.
And I don't even know what to say about that disgustingly cringey "superfans react" video. They are very clearly not real fans, and have been exposed several times as being paid actors. And all they talk about in the video is diversity and representation. And don't get me wrong, diversity is great, it's awesome to see more inclusion in media, but when that's ALL you talk about, it just seems like that's all that's important to the show. They never talk about the story itself or the world, only diversity. This video received HUGE backlash, to the point that Amazon was so embarrassed that they took down the video. You can only find it via reuploads, now.
Overall I'm very conflicted, but it pains me to say that it's more than likely going to just be more woke garbage.
Is that a direct quote? The one 'write the novel that tolkien never wrote'?
That's... I don't even have the words...
They do have the rights to the appendices, though. And that covers a surprising amount of lore which will be enough to form a coherent context to the events of the show. I do agree that I'm a bit fearful of just how much they will be bending the lore, but I still have hope that it will be decent at the very least. Maybe it will be like the Shadow of War games in that it does basically whatever the hell it wants with the lore (Helm Hammerhand a Ringwraith, like what?), but it was still a good time.
Also, while us hardcore fans may dislike deviations from the lore, we can still be glad that this series will introduce a whole new group of fans to the greater stories of Tolkien's legendarium.
@@benjaminjane93 Yes, it is a direct quote from the producers of the show, I shit you not. Here's their entire statement:
"We have the rights solely to the LotR books, The Hobbit, and the appendices. And that is it. We don't have the rights to the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, or any of those other books. But there's a VERSION of everything we need for the Second Age in the books we have the rights to. As long as we're painting within those lines and not EGREGIOUSLY contradicting the books, there's a lot of leeway to dramatize and improve upon these stories. We took all these little clues and thought of them as stars in the sky that we then connected to write the novel that Tolkien never wrote about the Second Age."
Jesus fucking christ....
@shawn bracebridge The "reflection" for them means forced diversity.
@AGuyWhoLikesStuff, they've got the rights to the literal text, which they're not allowed to change in any way, which is why they're using the 150 page appendices at the end of Return of the King - essentially an overview of the Second Age, which they are incredibly loosely interpreting and inserting identity politics into (Galadriel in armour for example)
I am a woman, and if a world ruled by women would be Twilight.......I am so thankful we don't rule the world 😬
Is the Twilight Saga really the peak of female literature fandom? Ladies is this what you want?
50 Shades of Grey is the best selling book of the 2010's. It was a Twlight fan fiction.
Let it sink in.
I assure you it is not. Maybe you should meet more women
it's 50 shades of grey now. Twilight was like the female hobbit whereas 50 shades of grey is the female LOTR. i can't wait to see what the female silmarillion is gonna be.
Ladies, let me ask a question. Why? This isn't an attack more being completely flabbergasted. (especially since male power fantasies are often scrutinized by female watchers/players/readers)
Like I get enjoying dumb power fantasies, which twilight is a sort of equivalent. But having it be the top? That'd be like The expendables being the top selling movie for men.
And having 50 shades be the top is like having a harem hentei as the top selling.
Seriously, why?
As a lady, no. I would take lotr in ANY form, rather than twilight.
Marriage immediately called off 😂😂😂
"If women ruled the world, Twilight would be like Lord of the Rings."
Heh.
No.
I'm a woman who loves Lord of the Rings and the Middle Earth history so I respectfully resent your friend calling it Twilight for men lol
However I am aware she was most likely joking/trying to get a rise out of the two others there that she knows like the stories.
Emily coming in with some... interesting takes
2 meteors in the Legendarium. The one in the first age that was made into Turin's black sword. And the other in the 2nd/3rd age that became a holly object that the undead army originally swore their oath on.
I presume Meteor man is Sauron in disguise going deep undercover for whatever reason.
So you are saying, there were aliens in LoTR this whole time?
my theory is that the man in the meteorite, if not one of the blue wizards or some other emissary of the valar, could be a new ainur coming into arda, like tulkas in the dawn of days, we could even be seeing the origins of Tom Bombadil
Meteor Man?! I LOVE that movie! Wonder how well it’s aged…🤔
weren’t feanors black swords made out of a meteor too?
@@ehned
You mean Eöl?
"He forged two great black swords from a meteorite's metal, but had to give the sword Anglachel to Thingol as tribute for living in Nan Elmoth. The other sword, Anguirel, he kept for himself." ~TOWTRTA
And then Anguirel was stolen by his son, Maeglin. Anglachel was given to Beleg (sad story follows).
I hope that one girl was joking - yeah there are still problems with sexism in society, but I guarantee you that women can go see movies that they want to see in the modern day. Claiming LotR is bigger than Twilight because men rule society is insanity.
I think it's pretty clear she was joking. Although the "Twilight for men" comment isn't entirely off base.
What are you talking about???
@@CM-ss5pe eh, maybe a bit but not really. I’m sure LotR has a higher percentage male audience, but i don’t thinks it’s specifically pandering to a male audience in the same way Twilight is for women. I think a better candidate for “Twilight for men” would be something like 300 or James Bond.
@@Blate1 300 and James Bond are definitely more for men than LotR. That said more "dudebro" men like the first two.
LOTR is simply bigger because it appeals to everybody, and not just adolescents who haven’t had one healthy relationship yet so they can’t notice the red flags.
I like the guy with the black glasses. He’s into nerdy shit but not LOTR but respects its significance and has a mild understanding. “I’ll let people talk about it” 😂 that’s so polite and as close to idc as you can get.
@@SJGibbons1000 why not say black glasses?
Let's be honest pips' I the only opinion that anybody really cares about. When he said ~purrr~ I was mind-blown at the level of insight that cat can share with us. He must be one of the greatest philosophers of our time
Mustache guy is questioning his engagement with the "twilight for men" comment haha
Look at Daniel showing off by showcasing that he has friends.
I wish we could have seen Merphy's reaction :(
Why is that a sad face it’s not like she died
She has her own channel, maybe she'll put it on there
Wow...I didn't think that I could ever be triggered by anything until I heard those words from Emily.
She is objectively not wrong per se, but I hate that now whenever I'm going to talk or even think about LOTR, I will be thinking of her statement.
Especially once the comparison was confirmed when Maddy was like, "...everyone looks kind of like Renesmee in Twilight." 🤣
I think she is objectively wrong.
Writing quality of Twilight and LotR are different.
I do think LotR is kind of a malefantasy but i think that stems from (for me at least) that it was always a story about bonding through war/hardtimes. I wouldn't put that in the same category as Twilight woman lovefantasy, more correct comparison would be your typical actionhero powerfantasies. Some superheroes, newer fast and the furious, etc.
Twilight is a teenfantasy, LotR is really for all agegroups.
"Feeds men's internal need to be homoerotic" Sure you can look at LotR like that, you are just very narrow minded.
Such a horseshit statement honestly.
Men can love other men platonically and form deep bonds.
Eh…
I would say it is objectivelt wrong.
LOTR is Well written. Twilight is not.
@@user-ll9fb5kv6b I get what you're saying but what is considered good/bad quality literature is totally a subjective opinion. Literature holds no intrinsic value, It's the people who give literature its meaning, and that meaning can change from person to person. While I detest the writing in Twilight, it doesn't mean that everyone will hate it but my opinion will be as valid as the opinion of someone who loves that type of writing. In the end, what someone considers good/bad writing is just an opinion, and not a fact.
Y’all need to chill the f out for real. Y’all DO realize a lot of folks watching the movies aren’t super fans like you all and on top of that you ever think people get all triggered when their stuff is compared to Lord of the Rings?? Like, have some perspective for a bit, these are types of regular movie goers LOTR is trying to attract to their show not just mega fans so it’s insightful hearing the type of perspective they have to contend with to get more than just the mega fans watching
Excuse me, Madam, LOTR is not Twilight for men!
... That would be Warhammer40k.
The trailer honestly felt to me like a Narnia type fantasy because of the voice talking about wonders. I felt like the trailer should have been with a bit of suspense or the beginning voice being serious about something feeling wrong in the world.
I think Pips running away says it all XD
First they came for the Star Trek, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Star Trek fan.
Then they came for Star Wars, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Star Wars fan.
Then they came for Wheel of Time, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Wheel of Time fan.
Then they came for my books and films - and there was no one left to speak for what I loved.
As a die-hard fan, it's good to see the reactions of people who aren't 2nd age Tolkien geeks just watching the trailer. Gives some perspective.
I loved the twilight for men quote but as a woman, twilight would not even be the last book I would want to be considered as a classic for a women powered society. God, even thinking about that is so scary.
I love that the teaser trailer was made completely practically but the actual trailer went "Look at all the CGI we can throw in" lol
I like how genuine reaction everyone has. Explaining the general feeling of the tolkien fans
How to create a reaction video without addressing the entire herd of elephants in the room.
@ Ro Bot entire rampaging herds of oliphants indeed!
Lol, exactly.
The shot of Galadriel climbing the ice apparently isn't CGI but a real built set, with green screen.
Green screen is CGI
@@bz6046 it is however not the face/person which people seem to think is also CGI.
"Twilight for men". If this have been said a decade ago, forget [Insert relevant affairs of that time here], hordes of Tolkien fans sacking bookstores and teenage girls houses to pile those books and burn them would have been the most shocking and significant event of the late 2000's and early 2010's.
Those are fans or "SUPERFANS"?
Maddy continues to be the funniest person on this channel, one person is trying to make a very good point then we cut back to her playing smash or pass
Most of these fans are in fact Normies
Great video idea, very funny and kind of reflecting a lot of the internet's thoughts on this trailer IMO. It's kind of a summary of what people thought of the trailer, including the contrast of "while watching it" and "afterwards, having thought about it".
Great job
👍
Out of 532 comments, only three seemed to mention the elephant in the room regarding this show (and the destruction of Tolkien's lore)... take a guess as to what that might be...
One of my major issues with the elves is how young they look. I guarantee you none of the elves in the RoP are adolescents within the context of whatever story it is that they’re trying to tell, so why on earth did they cast such young looking actors? Give me not so fresh faced actors who can convey being healthy and strong but also wise far beyond their years! I just don’t buy it with the people they casted! 🤷♀️
The girl with the mustache guy is SO DAMN TOXIC. My heads legitimately hurts
Ikr.
2:20 this is how I'll measure lord of the rings disrespect from now on.
"I would probably let someone put this on" is the funniest line ever
It's also super relatable. Would I make time to watch this show? No. Would I let my friend put this show on while we're already hanging out and watching stuff? Sure.
*looks at Galadriel hanging from ice wall* "Oh, so it's not real" Oof...
I will never be able to think of LotR without adding "Twilight for Men."
As someone who’s a ultra fantasy nerd, it was super cool to see some casual reactions! I’m sure this was a lot of time and effort and I appreciate it!
potential spoiler*
'As someone who’s a ultra fantasy nerd,' challenge, theorise the origins of the meteor, could it be the ainur using it as a means of transportation, a prison someone powerful escaped from, or could it be a telling of the beginning of arda, an elf perhaps or even an ainur, telling of when melkor descended upon this world.
"I thought that was going to be a chocobo" I already trust this person
"Emily: engaged to a terrible mustache"
😂😂😂😂😂
2nd age .. "1900s?"
lol, love her careless ignorance. standing up to peer pressure can be very hard indeed
To be honest, there is no mixed reaction,I have literally not heard one reasonable person defend this trailer or anything Amazon is doing
The "Lord of the Rings is Twilight for men" comment SENT me lmaooo
A wide ranging response as in, some gushed, others hated…yes. But I would say there was an overwhelming 90% of hatred. Well deserved hatred imo. The show does not look like it’s going to respect Tolkien in the slightest. I hope it’s a amazing, but I’ve had a lot of fears for a long time about this, and the trailer and VF article seemed to confirm them all (besides the sex and nudity).
I agree with Pips reaction more than half your friends' reactions.
male
twilight
where does this person live *grabs mithril axe*
also
this looks more like the witcher than lotr
Alright so I can safely disregard everything Emily says; got it.
I agree with Pips, I’m so outta here 🤣 they appear to have changed Galadriel too much in the name of making a powerful female character, but she was ALREADY a powerful female character. No need to ruin perfection, Amazon.
Not to mention that cringey “superfan” video that Amazon made XD
But hey, even if I’m not hyped about the show, it’s fine if other people are. Everyone has their own opinions.
Galadriel being a powerful warrior is canonically accurate in that age.
[Galadriel] was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats” - Tolkien Letter 348
@@BillBrasky5351 I agree with this, but it does specifically say this was in athletic feats. It wasn't really about her being a warrior. I don't think it's ruining it, but it does seem to deviate a bit from the lore.
to be honest.. HBO's house of the dragon looks more like tolkien than the rings of power 🤣
🤣🤣🤣💯
lord of the rings IS the male twilight she spilled
“Twilight for men”, can’t LOTR be enjoyed by everyone? My female friends love the movies too, so I’m not sure why the books/movies would only be “for men”
LOTR is for everyone. Honestly I know more fans of the books/movies that are women or non-binary than men tbh.
@@dragonwings36 Yeah, same tbh
Yeah, the friends I have who enjoy LOTR are pretty closely 50/50 on gender.
I feel like if we put this show on a game of thrones spectrum, this will fall closer to season 8 than season 1.
This teaser alone makes season 8 a masterpiece.
The one who was most familiar with the lore, does she have a channel?
Love Maddy's priorities while watching the trailer, commenting on the important stuff, 10/10. And Reed was hilarious "it looks better than the Golden Compass" LOL I guess that's good news???? 😂
It is not surprising to me that the people who truly love and know LOTR, are the most skeptical and worried. I feel the same. I have almost no hope at this point.
So far I've found 'true' Tolkien fans upset over things that are actually canonically accurate (Galadriel being a warrior), are irrelevant to the story (elf skin tone), or about condensing the timeline and adding in things that didn't happen... Which Peter Jackson did.
Eh, it looks okay. Good and bad, not a lot to go on as of right now.
@@BillBrasky5351 To be fair, Galadriel is never described as being a warrior or doing warrior things. Elves are always described as being fair of skin and long of hair. And no one really liked the changes Jackson made. They were "OK" with them because he made a concerted effort to be true to the material, to the spirit of Tolkien, and made an awesome trilogy of movies. I would personally prefer if Tolkien's works were represented with respect and reverence. Not the arrogance associated with opinions and agendas. So far, i am not impressed.
@@davidconnelly1362 Actually I do think the arrival of Elrond on the eve of battle with the sword is just a fantastic change. Thouch to be fair it is something that works for a movie not nessacerily a book so there is that.
@@MissCaraMint I don't necessarily disagree with you on that point. I understand the need or motivation to change things for the good of an adaptation. When I said that "no one really liked the changes Jackson made." I was really just stating things in general. I had major problems with the first half of fellowship, and the exclusion of certain characters throughout the trilogy. But all in all, I think most people would agree that the LOTR trilogy of movies was a fantastic adaptation. One done with " respect and reverence. Not the arrogance associated with opinions and agendas." To quote myself. ;)
@@davidconnelly1362 I actually disagree with you about fellowship. Everything that was cut for the movie would not have worked well in a movie format. It would be too disjointed for people to watch. Sepecially since runtime had to be a certain length for theater release. Sure it takes some underlying explinations away form being presented in the movies as a whole, but it doesn’t really have much of a different impact form when you are reading the book and having to consult the various indexes or maybe even the Sillmarilion to really get the context. The important thing is that the movies can be enjoyed with or without the added lore, which you can look up if you want, and that’s half the fun of Tolkien anyway.
That's the funny lighthearted commentary/criticism we should see more often. Good one.
Your friends are great lol. Hilarious commentary.
I don't think fans are split on this one.
Yeah, it seems pretty negative across the board (for good reason).
my theory is that the man in the meteorite, if not one of the blue wizards or some other emissary of the valar, could be a new ainur coming into arda, like tulkas in the dawn of days, we could even be seeing the origins of Tom Bombadil
But did pips like it?
Like really?
He was so mad that he tried to eat the mic
"It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like.
- Lindsey Weber, E.P. Amazon's LOTR Series, Vanity Fair (Feb. 2022)
"There are certainly themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyse what was important to Tolkien and to try to honour that. In a way, were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves.
- Peter Jackson, Interview with GreenCine (Dec. 2002)
*while I vehemently disagree with the "twilight for men," I could not agree more with the "it seems like so much yet nothing at all"*
This was absolutely hilarious. Please do more of these videos! Add this shit to the list of content we want to see lol
The Tolkien super fan video kinda killed all hype I could possibly have for this show.
Not just how bad the video was. But what the video itself means.
People can tell when enthusiasm is artificial. That 'Tolkien Super Fans' video was artificial.
I'm genuinely stoked some of your friends are excited.
The sad thing is none of those people are superfans and the UK one had only one person that mentioned the Silmarillion in a reading list of to read books. None of those people even have anything Tolkien on any of their social media accounts. So all of that was fake. And you could tell by watching and listening to them talk. Amazon is going to ruin this.
In the opening when they say «..If sauron is hot..», and I’m just like of course he is gonna be hot. He litterally disguised himself as a super hot guy to seduce people into trusting him. That’s the lore.
plot twist: the billion dollars goes for marketing.
About the meteor - Eöl, the Dark Elf, forged the black swords Anglachel (later remade into Gurthang) and Anguirel out of "iron that fell from heaven as a flaming star". Túrin Turambar used Gurthang to slay the dragon Glaurung.
Amazon: we'll spend a lot on CGI, it'll be great
People after a couple shots: ehmm, too much CGI, it seems
Amazon: well, at least we're gonna crush it with the diversity and all!
People: ... ... ...
exactly
Hey, Sanderson just launched a Kickstarter for four more novels he wrote during the pandemic.
Noah has a dad-stache. A strong firefighter-stache
Brandon Sanderson grew a moustache. Nice.
Im a huge tolkien nerd, loved everyones reactions. Yea... Ill just stick to the Silmarillion and Unfinished tales
Same here.👍
I don't think this type of video is for me.
There are reaction videos and there are reaction videos.
I am much more interested in more in depth discussions where people who know a lot about Tolkien's universe or are experts/professionals in story telling, television, or CGI can give a meaningful analysis about what the trailer and it's elements might mean for the show. Would be down for more in depth discussions with your GF(?), the one who actually knows Tolkien's works.
I also understand that how the show appeals to the average consumer is important for it's commercial success but I don't think I will be interested in that aspect until a season is out.
4:32 everybody's reaction after watching this sh*tty thing.
For example merging Glorfindel into Arwen was a great idea (partially also because there are too few female roles in the books), so I agree with Kayla that merging some characters could pay off well.
This. I'm totally fine with changes made to lore/story if it makes sense and furthers the plot. A lot of the changes that the original movies did made sense and some I actually like more than the books. But if they just change things for the sake of changing them it'll feel weird, the addition of so many new characters from the get out doesn't feel great but we'll see.
Damn, for people like you this kind of stuff exist, sad.
@@spkoftdvl I'm not sure what you're referencing there
@@spkoftdvl This is not a well structured sentence.
It seems like the budget save for the big battle down the road of season 1.
1 billion season 1. ep1 - 50m 2 - 50m 3 - 50m 4- 50m 5 - 100m 6 - 300 m 7 - 300m 8 - 100m TOTAL 1 BILLION spent it like that and give us the big battles LOTR IS KNOWN FOR. 6 and 7 episodes i believe will be huge.
I'm not a LotR fan, but I am insulted for them with that Twilight comparison. Also, as a female fantasy fan, I hate it.
The 9/10 guy called the Lord of the Rings “a trilogy”. 🤣
You somehow managed to gather the absolute worst group of people to get a reaction on LOTR. Well done, Sir!
Exactly what I thought!
Kayla is one of the cutest things I've ever seen
the Galadrial cliff scene looked like the rand birth scene I glanced at as my husband was watching Wheel of time.
Wow real reactions! Thank you
The Peter Jackson movies are not perfect adaptations. There were room for improvement. But the fact is that they DID RESPECT the basics of the story, its themes and most of its characters. They did respect Middle-Earth and it history. They did cut some important scenes and they did make some unnecessary changes, yes, but, all in all, you could recognise Lord of the Rings. This thing, however, can't be qualified as an adaptation, considering that, in 1 minute of footage, they show NOTHING from the stuff one would expect from the Second Age. Nothing but a single shot of Numenor. Why are they compressing the timeline? Why do Galadriel looks like Joan of Arc? Who the hell is that hobbit girl straight out from Peter Pan? Who the hell are those weird looking hunters? Who the hell are "Adar", "Bronwyn", "Halbard" and "Arondir"? And there is a meteor man?? If you read the leaks or even the interviews with the writers, things become much worse. It's obvious they just don't care. They have bought a LOGO and that's it. Oh, and by the way: the aesthetic looks awful, the costumes looks awful and the hairstyles look awful. Money is no substitute for talent.
100% agree.
I think that most people are at first are just going to be really confused why Gandalf and Frodo aren’t in the show.
I think a lot of people think that Tolkien made the Jackson movies. I don’t know how that logic works, but that’s the vibe a lot of people give off.
"I would probably let someone put this on." LOLOLOLOL
I gave WOT one season before swearing I’d never watch another minute of the show, I’ll give this show the same.
A whole season is pretty generous.
I was gonna give it an episode, but then I saw the superfans video and leaked details.