Your reviews are amazing! I always wonder about ons brand, although I never tried their shoes, I thought their shoes stand out from the crowd. I noticed that they started giving up on the holes and start putting in more foam. I also so some weird "prototype" Im not sure, but It looked like It had no holes at all. But it seems like ons most memorial day was when in boston marathon, the first in the womens field won with the cloud echo 3. I think ons can be better if they: 1. reduce price tag 2. take down weight 3. put more stack 4. give up on holes 5. increase durability but overall I think it fits in the "unique" category. Great review!
Thank you very much 👍 the prototype you saw with no holes might of been the shoe used in triathlons… there’s no stack height limit there and their prototype ones are used in Ironmans, someone ran the fastest ever marathon in an Ironman I believe in them… 2:30:something!
Sounds like ON is finally "almost" have a tier 1 racing shoe which gets closer to that value out of the shoe for the cost. Outsole needs work which is a reoccurring theme from various reviewers. I don't think most people have a problem with their racing shoe having a limited shelf life as a "racer". But the shoe still has to have some life in it afterwards for quality training sessions. If ON can't do this, they will continue to be a fringe tier 1 shoe mostly worn by sponsored atheletes. They are obviously doing some great things in their more daily trainer offerings and life style shoes...I see enough of them around on people's feet. Solid review as always Mr. Raynor
Yeah I did a long run today and recorded a short video for the new extra channel, I mentioned the grip there 👍 I kind of feel that they’re breaking into the market more now, slowly but surely and it’s good to see, the evolution from v1 to this one is crazy, they’ve come a long way
Good you got to try this one. Would you say it fits narrower than the Vaporfly 3? It doesn’t look overly narrow on you. This and the Endorphin Elite are tough as to try both looking at well over £500 and then seemingly you just have very expensive super trainers. I did a session in my Adios Pro 3 last night. I think I weighed mine around 285g in our size so actually this On one might be very similar but that’s 30g more to lug round than a Vaporfly and more expensive at that. I quite like the Adios Pro 3 but never feels as snappy to me as a Vaporfly and heavier as you say. Maybe need to try a race in the Sen 9. On the 100 mile thing TBH I could not imagine racing 4 marathons in the same shoe. Have used different VF1 for my 3 marathons since super shoes come out. But if I did a race a marathon in a new to me shoe I would probably would want to get at least 100 miles in training and tune up races to feel confident. Indeed that happened in the VF1. Be interesting then to see if it starts to degrade as you put more miles in it. Shoes rarely suddenly go from hero to zero as it were. As such what do they really mean there. 100 miles and you bin or 100 miles and it is not quite A1. If latter in all honesty that tends to happen with every shoe to some extent even if also mentally.
I’d say it fits like the vaporfly v1… the v3 I find I have a tiny bit more room in the toe box so it’s got that nice snug fit 👍 Interesting on the adios pro 3 weight, I’ll double check mine later as my records say they’re heavier, so I’ll check if I’ve got that wrong!
Great review, Andy. I think an expectation of only 100 miles from any shoe is ridiculous, both from a $$ value and from a cost of resources given the short lifespan of the shoes. These shoes look pretty sick though, gotta give it to On for the style. 👍
Yeah I can understand peoples thoughts on lifespan there 👍 I will say though that I don’t think they’ll become unusable, I think they’ll just be moved to a training shoe… I gather it’s just when the foam loses its “peak performance” but I would think they’d be fine for many miles after in training
ON have said the 4 marathon lifespan is when they're at their best but they'll last alot longer, I remember when people used to complain that the Nike 4% would only last about 100miles, I did 450 in mine before retiring them same with vapourflys
Great, honest review Andy. Used to love the On brand a few years back, Cloudsurfers and Cloudflows in particular but the soles were hard underfoot compared to other brands. Still they are a quality brand and seem to be making a bit of a comeback. £260 for the Echo 3s though!!😮😮😮
I bought these when they were finally launched I agree the fit is brilliant I find they're not designed for slower runs Ibe only done a couple of runs in them, rose inn and magor 10k (spoke to you at the finish) they felt good, but as I'm recovering from a broken foot it wasn't really a fair test of their performance
Fit is great isn’t it! Great job at the races and nice to chat at the end! Hopefully you can put another test in them soon when the foot is fully recovered 👍
You are absolutely right about the On foam it is definitely similar with the Lightstrike Pro and I believe that this one is a very nice companion for the Takumi Sen 9. What I love about the Cloudboom echo 3 is the fact that it seems lower to the ground compared with Adizero adios pro 3. I don't now why most people that review this shoes said a lot of unpleasant things about it. What are your thoughts about the outsole compared to Sen9. Cheers!
Yes it would be a great companion to the sen 9 for sure and I agree with your comment about it being low to the ground. Ok so I’m dropping a video on the “extra” channel tomorrow talking about a long run in them and the grip was hot topic…. Stay tuned!
Great review , for those of us who are not quite as large , replace 'weight' with the word 'price' , and it would be spot on. The original cloud boom was my very first racing shoe so always interested in what they are doing.
Thanks Andy. I think the holes in the mid sole of ON trainers was a marketing USP to get a new brand noticed in a tough market place. The holes are getting less significant now they have a presence and now they are trying to compete with the other brands on performance. I'm not sure 15g makes a difference to the weight of a trainer, even at sub-elite level.
Good morning. A good description about the on cloudboom echo 3, but it's very fast running shoe for me. Now, I have the Nb ffx Tempo v2. Like to Andy. A nice weekend for everyone. 🌞🏃🌞
The shoe looks good. If a racing shoe last me for one racing year, meaning for 2 Marathons and 2-3 Half Marathons, then I am happy with it. Afterwards, it will be used a a tempo trainer, getting more value out of it.
Well frankly they'd wanna be bloody good for that price!!! 🤦🏻♀ Very nice to see On Running sending you something good your way Andy, they sure picked a shoe that's right up your alley!!!
One of the biggest problems this shoe has, is you can pick up either Pro 3s or the Vapor 2s for under £160 . Whatever your goal race there is an option there for everyone. Nice review though Andy and have a good weekend.
I think the 4 marathons thing is a bit of red herring, if other manufacturers did this they'd likely state the same or maybe less. With nothing to compare it to it means absolutely nothing at all.
Yes very true, just an interesting statement to make. As I mentioned, I don’t put more than “4 marathons worth of miles” in a racing shoe before moving them to training anyway so doesn’t make much odds to me
@@TheFODRunner It is interesting, kinda sets themselves up for critasisim but maybe it's actually to be commended. Maybe Kipchoge is sitting looking at the claim thinking...I get 1 out of Nike's... 4! Wowsers!
@@TheFODRunner New adidas shoe getting released for Boston has a lifespan of 1 marathon!, we now have something to compare this one to... 138gsm for a size 9... really?
On have always struck me as a fashion/lifestyle version of a running shoe. It's also 'interesting' that the more they develop, the smaller the clouds are. Not for me!
I can understand that! As times go on, they’re developing into a bit of a running super power in the track world with some amazing spikes and the rise of the OAC team… the road shoes are fast catching up 👍
I know of someone who has done 100 miles in them and they’re falling apart! I’ve got a pair of Vapourfly 1s that if done 300+ in and are only just starting to fall apart. Just think for that kind of money you can get exactly what you were talking about- shoes that you can race in until they start to feel a little dead and you can retire to sessions only. Nice looking shoe though!
Maybe it's more the case that they are saying you'll definitely get 4 marathons out of the shoe before you even start to feel any deviation from it being brand new, nobody else is making such a claim... You could run 20 marathons in it but the first 4 will be the best, is a pretty standard claim maybe.
@@fergusdenoon1255 at the end of the day, it is a personal choice, everybody has to make for themselves. My choices are different. I calculate around 20 cent per mile on average for my shoes, and i got great shoes to run in. Most of them are good enough to donate, when i retire them, and if i had to i could run double the miles in them.....but as i said all people make their own choices........and just to clarify, yes i own a pair of vaporfly next %, which i bought with a 30% discount, and those are my only shoes i probably will never be able to run the miles to get the cost down to 20 cent per mile, but with more than 3000 miles run per year, all the other shoes help to get my total average easily down to 20 cent or even lower
It is a steep price, considering other super shoes can be found with a discount. But I think the comment below is right… they’ll last ages but their “peak” is 4 marathons
Durability will be interesting and I’ll try to test this. I reckon they’ll go for a while, I just think they mean 4 marathons is what you’ll get out of them whilst the foam is at its peak 👍
With shoes I find there is a harsh reality that better runners will beat me in anything. That said being also a UK 13 like Andy I do feel many heavy for us shoes are lighter than our Vaporflys in say a size 8. This is what I told my myself when a club mate with a shorter frame than me beat me in a recent 10 mile in a pair of Peg 39s. also didn’t Spencer Brown Athlete Special run about a 4:20 mile in Crocs and think have heard of sub 70 HMs in them as well.
Underdog shoe costs more than top tier brands and you get less value for the shoe since it has horrible durability. To be an underdog you have to be at least competing with other brands or offering something in value that other brands lack.
Good point, i approached “underdog” from the angle of “everyone on the start line wears Nike, adidas, saucony, hoka etc so they’re the underdog on a fiercely competitive super shoe market”
I care about the times, because we can compare it to his other times in other shoes so we can see how this shoe is different from others. and we can see what is the purpose of the shoe.
Thanks! I do it for a good reason…. Too many reviews on UA-cam popping up without much info on how they tested it… for me, I try to be as clear and transparent as possible 👍 I also keep that section very short, it’s just important for people to see how I’ve tested it. If I said “so I took this out for a run and here is my feedback”, who’s to say that run wasn’t just an easy run? And then how is that a good test for a super shoe? Hopefully you see what I’m getting at 😂 there’s too much of that going on already, I don’t want to be associated with that!
Your reviews are amazing! I always wonder about ons brand, although I never tried their shoes, I thought their shoes stand out from the crowd. I noticed that they started giving up on the holes and start putting in more foam. I also so some weird "prototype" Im not sure, but It looked like It had no holes at all. But it seems like ons most memorial day was when in boston marathon, the first in the womens field won with the cloud echo 3. I think ons can be better if they:
1. reduce price tag
2. take down weight
3. put more stack
4. give up on holes
5. increase durability
but overall I think it fits in the "unique" category.
Great review!
Thank you very much 👍 the prototype you saw with no holes might of been the shoe used in triathlons… there’s no stack height limit there and their prototype ones are used in Ironmans, someone ran the fastest ever marathon in an Ironman I believe in them… 2:30:something!
Sounds like ON is finally "almost" have a tier 1 racing shoe which gets closer to that value out of the shoe for the cost. Outsole needs work which is a reoccurring theme from various reviewers. I don't think most people have a problem with their racing shoe having a limited shelf life as a "racer". But the shoe still has to have some life in it afterwards for quality training sessions. If ON can't do this, they will continue to be a fringe tier 1 shoe mostly worn by sponsored atheletes. They are obviously doing some great things in their more daily trainer offerings and life style shoes...I see enough of them around on people's feet.
Solid review as always Mr. Raynor
Yeah I did a long run today and recorded a short video for the new extra channel, I mentioned the grip there 👍 I kind of feel that they’re breaking into the market more now, slowly but surely and it’s good to see, the evolution from v1 to this one is crazy, they’ve come a long way
Thank you Andy for the Test! To expensive for this price i become 2 pair of very good solid shoes ! Greets from Austria 🇦🇹👍
Thanks for watching! Greetings 🇦🇹
Good you got to try this one. Would you say it fits narrower than the Vaporfly 3? It doesn’t look overly narrow on you. This and the Endorphin Elite are tough as to try both looking at well over £500 and then seemingly you just have very expensive super trainers. I did a session in my Adios Pro 3 last night. I think I weighed mine around 285g in our size so actually this On one might be very similar but that’s 30g more to lug round than a Vaporfly and more expensive at that. I quite like the Adios Pro 3 but never feels as snappy to me as a Vaporfly and heavier as you say. Maybe need to try a race in the Sen 9. On the 100 mile thing TBH I could not imagine racing 4 marathons in the same shoe. Have used different VF1 for my 3 marathons since super shoes come out. But if I did a race a marathon in a new to me shoe I would probably would want to get at least 100 miles in training and tune up races to feel confident. Indeed that happened in the VF1. Be interesting then to see if it starts to degrade as you put more miles in it. Shoes rarely suddenly go from hero to zero as it were. As such what do they really mean there. 100 miles and you bin or 100 miles and it is not quite A1. If latter in all honesty that tends to happen with every shoe to some extent even if also mentally.
I’d say it fits like the vaporfly v1… the v3 I find I have a tiny bit more room in the toe box so it’s got that nice snug fit 👍
Interesting on the adios pro 3 weight, I’ll double check mine later as my records say they’re heavier, so I’ll check if I’ve got that wrong!
Great review, Andy. I think an expectation of only 100 miles from any shoe is ridiculous, both from a $$ value and from a cost of resources given the short lifespan of the shoes. These shoes look pretty sick though, gotta give it to On for the style. 👍
Yeah I can understand peoples thoughts on lifespan there 👍 I will say though that I don’t think they’ll become unusable, I think they’ll just be moved to a training shoe… I gather it’s just when the foam loses its “peak performance” but I would think they’d be fine for many miles after in training
AGREE!!!
@@TheFODRunner Yes, good point!!!
ON have said the 4 marathon lifespan is when they're at their best but they'll last alot longer, I remember when people used to complain that the Nike 4% would only last about 100miles, I did 450 in mine before retiring them same with vapourflys
Yeah I think they can go on and on and on, but only at their peak for 4 marathons
Great, honest review Andy. Used to love the On brand a few years back, Cloudsurfers and Cloudflows in particular but the soles were hard underfoot compared to other brands. Still they are a quality brand and seem to be making a bit of a comeback. £260 for the Echo 3s though!!😮😮😮
Thanks buddy! They are making a solid statement at the moment, just doesn’t help that all the other super shoes are on discount haha
@@TheFODRunner Completely agree! Especially when you have the 1st version of the Puma Deviate Elites at £99 currently.
I bought these when they were finally launched
I agree the fit is brilliant
I find they're not designed for slower runs
Ibe only done a couple of runs in them, rose inn and magor 10k (spoke to you at the finish) they felt good, but as I'm recovering from a broken foot it wasn't really a fair test of their performance
Fit is great isn’t it! Great job at the races and nice to chat at the end! Hopefully you can put another test in them soon when the foot is fully recovered 👍
You are absolutely right about the On foam it is definitely similar with the Lightstrike Pro and I believe that this one is a very nice companion for the Takumi Sen 9.
What I love about the Cloudboom echo 3 is the fact that it seems lower to the ground compared with Adizero adios pro 3.
I don't now why most people that review this shoes said a lot of unpleasant things about it.
What are your thoughts about the outsole compared to Sen9.
Cheers!
Yes it would be a great companion to the sen 9 for sure and I agree with your comment about it being low to the ground.
Ok so I’m dropping a video on the “extra” channel tomorrow talking about a long run in them and the grip was hot topic…. Stay tuned!
Great review , for those of us who are not quite as large , replace 'weight' with the word 'price' , and it would be spot on. The original cloud boom was my very first racing shoe so always interested in what they are doing.
Thanks!
Thanks Andy. I think the holes in the mid sole of ON trainers was a marketing USP to get a new brand noticed in a tough market place. The holes are getting less significant now they have a presence and now they are trying to compete with the other brands on performance.
I'm not sure 15g makes a difference to the weight of a trainer, even at sub-elite level.
Yeah it’ll be interesting to see the 4th and 5th version of this and if there are any holes left!
Good morning. A good description about the on cloudboom echo 3, but it's very fast running shoe for me. Now, I have the Nb ffx Tempo v2. Like to Andy. A nice weekend for everyone. 🌞🏃🌞
Thanks! Glad the NB FFX Tempo v2 is working well for you!
Great review. 🎉🎉🎉
Thanks!
Would love to try them but much too expensive. Thanks for the review Andy.
The shoe looks good. If a racing shoe last me for one racing year, meaning for 2 Marathons and 2-3 Half Marathons, then I am happy with it. Afterwards, it will be used a a tempo trainer, getting more value out of it.
Yeah very similar for me too mate, if I can get the Same amount of races as you, then use it for training, that’s brilliant 👍
really nice review Andy, How is the stability of the shoe at pace? Is the heel width like the Adios Pro 3? Thanks
Thanks buddy, quite narrow and snug
Well frankly they'd wanna be bloody good for that price!!! 🤦🏻♀ Very nice to see On Running sending you something good your way Andy, they sure picked a shoe that's right up your alley!!!
Haha! Yeah it’s a premium price isn’t it. But did a long run today and was really impressed so all good signs with this one 👍
One of the biggest problems this shoe has, is you can pick up either Pro 3s or the Vapor 2s for under £160 . Whatever your goal race there is an option there for everyone.
Nice review though Andy and have a good weekend.
Yes. I think people are buying ons because they have "sympathy" for the brand.
Yeah the discounts available now for all the other super shoes puts this one in a tough spot doesn’t it….
I think the 4 marathons thing is a bit of red herring, if other manufacturers did this they'd likely state the same or maybe less.
With nothing to compare it to it means absolutely nothing at all.
Yes very true, just an interesting statement to make. As I mentioned, I don’t put more than “4 marathons worth of miles” in a racing shoe before moving them to training anyway so doesn’t make much odds to me
@@TheFODRunner It is interesting, kinda sets themselves up for critasisim but maybe it's actually to be commended.
Maybe Kipchoge is sitting looking at the claim thinking...I get 1 out of Nike's... 4! Wowsers!
@@fergusdenoon1255 haha very possibly!
@@TheFODRunner New adidas shoe getting released for Boston has a lifespan of 1 marathon!, we now have something to compare this one to... 138gsm for a size 9... really?
On have always struck me as a fashion/lifestyle version of a running shoe. It's also 'interesting' that the more they develop, the smaller the clouds are. Not for me!
I can understand that! As times go on, they’re developing into a bit of a running super power in the track world with some amazing spikes and the rise of the OAC team… the road shoes are fast catching up 👍
They match your colour scheme
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I know of someone who has done 100 miles in them and they’re falling apart! I’ve got a pair of Vapourfly 1s that if done 300+ in and are only just starting to fall apart. Just think for that kind of money you can get exactly what you were talking about- shoes that you can race in until they start to feel a little dead and you can retire to sessions only. Nice looking shoe though!
Oh really? Very interesting feedback! I would of hoped i could retire mine from racing and then use for training… time will tell I guess!
close to 3 euro per mile s really impressive.......way too steep for me....what a world we live in
Maybe it's more the case that they are saying you'll definitely get 4 marathons out of the shoe before you even start to feel any deviation from it being brand new, nobody else is making such a claim...
You could run 20 marathons in it but the first 4 will be the best, is a pretty standard claim maybe.
@@fergusdenoon1255 at the end of the day, it is a personal choice, everybody has to make for themselves. My choices are different. I calculate around 20 cent per mile on average for my shoes, and i got great shoes to run in. Most of them are good enough to donate, when i retire them, and if i had to i could run double the miles in them.....but as i said all people make their own choices........and just to clarify, yes i own a pair of vaporfly next %, which i bought with a 30% discount, and those are my only shoes i probably will never be able to run the miles to get the cost down to 20 cent per mile, but with more than 3000 miles run per year, all the other shoes help to get my total average easily down to 20 cent or even lower
It is a steep price, considering other super shoes can be found with a discount. But I think the comment below is right… they’ll last ages but their “peak” is 4 marathons
Yes this is how I interpret it as well 👍
On is never on discount, lacks in durability and they look corny. Federer won't be getting my nickels
Durability will be interesting and I’ll try to test this. I reckon they’ll go for a while, I just think they mean 4 marathons is what you’ll get out of them whilst the foam is at its peak 👍
Too steep for me…
Imagine running on these expensive ON shoes for 4 marathons…and getting passed by lots of people wearing Kinvaras or Pegasus or Ghosts.🤦🏻♂️🤣😂
You'd feel better than the people wearing £280 alphafly that are being overtaken
Someone ran past me at Newport marathon in a pair of hoka rincons….
With shoes I find there is a harsh reality that better runners will beat me in anything. That said being also a UK 13 like Andy I do feel many heavy for us shoes are lighter than our Vaporflys in say a size 8. This is what I told my myself when a club mate with a shorter frame than me beat me in a recent 10 mile in a pair of Peg 39s. also didn’t Spencer Brown Athlete Special run about a 4:20 mile in Crocs and think have heard of sub 70 HMs in them as well.
@@craighopkins4954 Not in 2023… those AFs, VFs or even the Adios Pro 3’s are significantly discounted already.
Underdog shoe costs more than top tier brands and you get less value for the shoe since it has horrible durability. To be an underdog you have to be at least competing with other brands or offering something in value that other brands lack.
Good point, i approached “underdog” from the angle of “everyone on the start line wears Nike, adidas, saucony, hoka etc so they’re the underdog on a fiercely competitive super shoe market”
Too expensive...
Go barefoot/minimalist shoes. These will ruin your feet.
Great review but who is interested in the times you did your repeats and all that..pointless...the rest of the review was very good
I care about the times, because we can compare it to his other times in other shoes so we can see how this shoe is different from others. and we can see what is the purpose of the shoe.
Thanks! I do it for a good reason…. Too many reviews on UA-cam popping up without much info on how they tested it… for me, I try to be as clear and transparent as possible 👍 I also keep that section very short, it’s just important for people to see how I’ve tested it.
If I said “so I took this out for a run and here is my feedback”, who’s to say that run wasn’t just an easy run? And then how is that a good test for a super shoe?
Hopefully you see what I’m getting at 😂 there’s too much of that going on already, I don’t want to be associated with that!
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