I'm going to do the flaperons too. I've been flying other tail draggers and without a head wind this AeroScout floats FOREVER! I flew one all winter with skis and they weigh more than wheels. It settles down nicely with the power off. This new one just floats forever and I'll nose it down but then I've picked up a lot of speed.
Hello Shane, I was able to update the firmware from 2.38 to 2.46 on the AR631 Rx. got forward programming version 0.55. did a factory reset and did the setup from scratch. moved the FMODES to channel 8 and AS3X Gains to channel 9 (not sure if the Gains are working correctly). now channels 5 and 6 are free. I'm planning on using channel 5 for one of the Ailerons (1 and 5). so, testing phase I guess :). any input is greatly appreciated. 😅
Awesome, once you unlock it there is a whole new world of options available! I know I keep telling folks this but I do plan to make a flaperon video on how I do it. I was reviewing my "Flaperon Enabled" AeroScout the other day and I have so much other programming and "stuff" setup in that model it would be too confusing to try and make a video with. I think I'll do the conversion and programming on my remaining "stock" AeroScout for the video to keep it as straight forward as possible. Not sure when I'll get to it, feel free to ask questions if you get stuck.
Hi Shane, trying to configue Flaperon's on the AeroScout. Do you have the same parameters for both the Left and Right Aileron? Right now I have Ailerons on Channels 1 & 5. Just can't get the AilL & AilR on the same cell as what your screen shot is showing.
What do you mean by putting the AilL and AilR in the same "cell"? Not sure what you mean by that. I'll have to go back through my mix, been a while now. I keep meaning to do a complete guide on how I like to do flaperons, perhaps it's time. Please clarify your question and later today I'll double check my mixes.
@@shanesdiy Hi Shane, on the screen capture (during the back half of the video) you have 200% AilL and AilR on the very first line of the screen capture. Is it the Ail naming convention you started with? Sorry it’s tough to formulate the question using text 🙂
I've been wanting to make a full setup video but not sure when I'll get to it. Best I can offer at this time is a very extensive writeup, model yml file, and the images, sounds, and widgets I use for the flaperon AeroScout. Download the file "AeroScoutFlap_Flaperon zip" from the link below and you'll have a significant amount of data to work with. I can then answer any questions. Find the zip file with the name shown above at this link for everything you should need to set it up as I have. The Readme file has a lot of detail, explains the pre-requisites, and many other details. github.com/qsiguy/EdgeTX-TX16S-Models
Howdy, I've Been wishing I had Flaps or flaperons on the aeroscout. Mostly to shorten landings, and here you are. I'm using a ix12 transmitter. If I lose the aleron y and use channel 5 for one of the alerons. Do you Think I'd need to program the receiver?
On the locked AR631 in the AeroScout safe mode is ch 5 and panic ch 6 and they cannot be moved unless you unlock it, at least to the best of my knowledge. You could bind with safe select OFF and not use safe but ch 5 and ch 6 are still setup for flight modes and panic even with Safe select off I am pretty sure.
Interesting approach to test your settings! :) I´m wondering if I could do flaperons on my Trojan T-28 1,1 with the AR631 6-channel receiver and my DX8G2 Tx. Connecting each servo independently I would loose SAFE/AS3X on one side or can you programme that too? I haven´t understood that yet. Thanks in advance! :D
Have a look at my AeroScout flaperon video and the new series on unlocking the AR631! You totally can do that! I love my Flaperons on the AeroScout as long as its setup correctly. To keep AS3X and Safe you will need to do a firmware update and factory reset. Then reprogram from scratch. Its a project but doable.
@@shanesdiy Hi Shane, OK! I´ll watch your video! Oh, reprograming sounds like a longer project :S I´ll see what´s in the video and if it´s worth :)) I have so many other projects waiting in the hobby and cycling hobby too :P THANK YOU!
Hi Shane! I have installed/programmed the flaperons on my T-28 and they work good without reprogramming the receiver yet. There are still two things: In SAFE mode my modell has installed a slight mix of rudder with the ailerons. So if I activate flaps the rudder goes left as the right aileron is the one with SAFE. So trying to land in SAFE would mean the plane does a left turn... shit :P The other thing is that the right aileron that works with SAFE and wasn´t reversed has no more travel downwards. The left one that I have reversed has travel down. I tried to increase the rate but I couldn´t. You mentioned that you increased some rate when acting as flaps. The only thing I could try is to move the servo arm a couple of degrees. But I think that the servo has more travel left. Or decrease the flap max % and see if then it moves down. Maybe I´ll try it out tomorrow but I´m a bit scared. I have also put elevator, rudder and ailerons to it´s max travel. I´ll decrease the low rate more just in case it is too wild...
@@franciscoduran3688 Without unlocking and reprogramming the flight model in Forward Programming the gyro doesn't know that both channels are ailerons, you are aware of this. I wouldn't try to fly in safe with it this way. Self leveling may get really crazy. AS3X doesn't do that much so may not be as detrimental to the flight characteristics. In my TX16S I was able to increase the rates on the aileron channels while in the two flap modes to restore full aileron swings. I do not know how, or if, that same method is possible on your DX8. I would remove that rudder/aileron mix before a flaperon flight test. Not sure if it's possible with the DX8 but with my TX16S I would be able to disable the rudder mix only while the flaps were down. Personally I would not fly it in its current state. I would get everything responding as expected on the ground before putting it in the air.
I assume you are talking about the RTF version and using the stock transmitter for this? If so, no, I don't think you'll have any way to set that up as the switch mapping is fixed to certain ones and you can't create custom mixes with the RTF transmitter. You also need to unlock the receiver and reprogram it through forward programming which the RTF TX doesn't do. The plane & receiver on the RTF version can do this, you'll need to find a different transmitter.
You'll need the USB adapter so you can unlock the RX regardless which transmitter. Does your DX8 have forward programming capabilities? The setup must be done through forward programming as I detail in my Spektrum to EdgeTX series. The forward programming setup is pretty much the same whether using a Spektrum TX or a RadioMaster TX16S like mine. Actually the first time I set mine up with flaperons was with my Spektrum NX6.
You can do reverse thrust on it too. I have fun with reverse thrust on the AeroScout! Right from your radio and telemetry menu Have you tried it 4s yet? I believe the ESC is rated 4s. It's possible if a guy stayed in the power he might over heat it. I bet we can keep an eye on temps with telemetry
The Horizon has locked down the stock ESC in the older AeroScouts so you can't make any changes such as eliminating that slow ramp up "feature". I just looked up the new AeroScout and they are now including an Avian ESC! That is awesome. Bummer both of mine have the old ESC's that are not 4S compatible, or so they say, or will they do reverse thrust.
@@shanesdiy gotcha. I lucked out and ordered this one 5-6 days ago from HH so I got lucky I guess. I'm wondering if we can reverse thrust the UMX's that have avian ECS? I'm putting a smart ESC & Telemetry, safe AS3X in a Fun Cub I'm putting together. It's been in the box for 10 years or longer and I really wanted reverse thrust! I have a blast with it on my turbo timber evolution. The other day I accidentally flipped it on thinking I'd dropped the flaps. Man I fell out of the sky the moment I grabbed a handful of throttle. I just moved the toggle to a smaller toggle so hopefully I don't do it again.
Many don't like flaperons, I personally like it but I didn't until I sorted out extending the rates of the ailerons to retain full control authority while the flaperons were deployed. Before doing this control was very restricted with the flaps down, very disconcerting. I discuss this issue at the end of this video.
I like the results you've gotten by adding flaperons to the AeroScout. However, I don't understand why the receiver needed to be reprogrammed. Why is it not sufficient just to setup flaperons in the transmitter. Thanks.
Hi Bill, Spektrum (or is it Horizon Hobby?) locks the receiver with their presets for control surfaces, gyro gains, SAFE/AS3X channel, etc. Until you unlock the receiver you cannot connect via Forward Programming to make any changes to the SAFE, AS3X, Gyro, change control surfaces such as adding another channel for aileron. Even a Spektrum transmitter cannot make changes. I'm currently using channel 5 for my other aileron, in stock "locked" form, channels 5 and 6 are setup for SAFE and Panic modes so the two extra channels cannot be used and you can't change the safe and panic channels without unlocking it. In my new 3 part series (Only part 1 is out currently) I am going over this exact subject. Episode 2 I'll show the limitations and we'll be unlocking another AR631.
@@shanesdiy Thanks. I think I got it. I use SAFE on my AeroScout but didn't realize there was a panic feature/mode which I'm guessing would be assigned to the panic button. Anxious to see where and how the channels are defined (and redefined) via forward programming. Subscribed just for this reason.
OK, I've been playing with this for a couple days now. What files do I install Where on the radio? I would really appreciate as much help as you could give. I tried reading the Github stuff and i'm lost, guess that's why I work with my hands LMAO!!! Links , Info , Whatever , I'll take what i can get. Maybe a Install and forward programinging for Dumbies???🤣 Thanks
I had a video planned for installing the latest version of Forward Programmimg on my to-do list but I'll move it up the priority list. I'll try to do it this weekend, at least the first video where to get the files and where to put them and what folders to add. Took me a bit to figure it out as well. Stay tuned!
Interesting video and modifications. I think your technical abilities are way beyond me, but I subscribed and will be watching more of your content. Nicely done! 👍🏻🙂
The AR631 & AR637 have 6 physical servo outputs, but also multiple "virtual" outputs. Channels 7-9 can be used for safe mode, panic, reverse thrust (with Avian ESCs). Channel 6 is actually free in this setup. Using 2 and 5 are the ailerons at the receiver (1 & 5 in the transmitter).
Thanks for reply. I have avian escape and moved my mode and panic from channel 5& 6 to 7 & 8. I get no mode or panic function. Does the 631 need to be programmed to open channel 7 & 8. Do not understand 1 & 5 at transmitter. My check 1 is throttle
@@JamesMorrowSr What airplane and what transmitter are you using? If you are using the BNF AeroScout like I have here the receiver may need to be unlocked before you can move safe modes away from channel 5 and panic is also stuck on channel 6 until you unlock and reset the receiver. I have other videos that cover how to unlock and reset these receivers. If you have Forward Programming available on your radio and depending on your receivers firmware you might be able to change the channel in Forward Programming. You also need to do the factory reset to allow you to move an aileron to another channel or the gyro (safe mode) won't be able to control the 2nd aileron. My comment on the channel difference between the transmitter and receiver is related to channel conversion when an EdgeTX radio is bound to a Spektrum receiver. To explain this fully is more than I want to type out here but basically my radio channel order is AETR. This Spektrum receiver default channel order is TAER. The radio converts AETR to TAER when it leaves the radio.
@@JamesMorrowSr I can share a model file for the TX16S but if your receiver isn't unlocked, factory reset, and fully reprogrammed it won't work. Have you followed my videos on unlocking and resetting these receivers? If not you should go through that before trying to setup flaperons.
Lands fast?.....a full stall landing on the mains is at a brisk walking sped. This plane will FLY until the end of the battery at a joggers pace in no wind conditions.....landing too fast is due to lack of throttle management, it has NOTHING to do with the plane.....
Compared to my Timber X it lands fast and more than that, the glideslope is much flatter and at one of my flight locations I need to come in steeper over some trees and get it down fast to a short runway. Flaps help with that. Plus it's fun to mod planes and experiment. Major part of the hobby for me and many others. Don't need or want flaps don't do it. Happy flying.
Obviously it lands faster than a Timber.....which has more wing area, flaps and leading edge slats with very little extra weight, relatively speaking. . Kind of an "apples to oranges" comparison dontchathink? I don't have an issue with your adding flaps, or whatever else you want, to your AeroScout.....I built an entirely new wing for mine with a bit longer span and included flaps and slats very similar to my Timber Evolution. My only issue was you stating that the AeroScout lands fast....I stand by my comment regarding throttle management. You can also "slip" to bleed off altitude while keeping speed more manageable.....
@@TheWingnut58 Haha, ok. How about... "In stock form, it lands faster/longer than I'd like so lets try to slow it down with flaps to utilize my tighter landing strip". I preach the same thing about throttle/speed management to folks when I hear "the AeroScout likes to float", that one annoys me. I was only comparing the two airplanes because I wanted to more easily fly the AeroScout at the same tight field where I fly my Timber X and Turbo Timber so that is roughly my "target".
Fair enough, I didn't mean to sound harsh, nor did I intend any disrespect. I think it's great that share your experiments and experience. Keep'em coming!
Love the AeroScout I've beat mine to death and it still flies great 👍🏻
I'm going to do the flaperons too. I've been flying other tail draggers and without a head wind this AeroScout floats FOREVER! I flew one all winter with skis and they weigh more than wheels. It settles down nicely with the power off. This new one just floats forever and I'll nose it down but then I've picked up a lot of speed.
Looking at that as well, any tips are greatly appreciated.
I love the aeroscout.. had some bad experiences but got her rebuilt and belong to a great club now, thank you.
How fun. Great field to fly in.
Yes, pretty much unlimited space. Still, often seem to hit the one random bush!
@@shanesdiy The place looks from the air as an Inka art with all that donuts and in the sand :P
Hello Shane, I was able to update the firmware from 2.38 to 2.46 on the AR631 Rx.
got forward programming version 0.55. did a factory reset and did the setup from scratch. moved the FMODES to channel 8 and AS3X Gains to channel 9 (not sure if the Gains are working correctly). now channels 5 and 6 are free. I'm planning on using channel 5 for one of the Ailerons (1 and 5). so, testing phase I guess :).
any input is greatly appreciated. 😅
Awesome, once you unlock it there is a whole new world of options available! I know I keep telling folks this but I do plan to make a flaperon video on how I do it. I was reviewing my "Flaperon Enabled" AeroScout the other day and I have so much other programming and "stuff" setup in that model it would be too confusing to try and make a video with. I think I'll do the conversion and programming on my remaining "stock" AeroScout for the video to keep it as straight forward as possible. Not sure when I'll get to it, feel free to ask questions if you get stuck.
Hi Shane, trying to configue Flaperon's on the AeroScout. Do you have the same parameters for both the Left and Right Aileron? Right now I have Ailerons on Channels 1 & 5. Just can't get the AilL & AilR on the same cell as what your screen shot is showing.
What do you mean by putting the AilL and AilR in the same "cell"? Not sure what you mean by that. I'll have to go back through my mix, been a while now. I keep meaning to do a complete guide on how I like to do flaperons, perhaps it's time.
Please clarify your question and later today I'll double check my mixes.
@@shanesdiy
Hi Shane, on the screen capture (during the back half of the video) you have 200% AilL and AilR on the very first line of the screen capture. Is it the Ail naming convention you started with? Sorry it’s tough to formulate the question using text 🙂
Can you go through on the actual radio and show what you did to setup safe and flaperons? I'm struggling
I've been wanting to make a full setup video but not sure when I'll get to it. Best I can offer at this time is a very extensive writeup, model yml file, and the images, sounds, and widgets I use for the flaperon AeroScout. Download the file "AeroScoutFlap_Flaperon zip" from the link below and you'll have a significant amount of data to work with. I can then answer any questions.
Find the zip file with the name shown above at this link for everything you should need to set it up as I have. The Readme file has a lot of detail, explains the pre-requisites, and many other details.
github.com/qsiguy/EdgeTX-TX16S-Models
@@shanesdiy that's a great writeup I think it's exactly what I need
Howdy, I've Been wishing I had Flaps or flaperons on the aeroscout. Mostly to shorten landings, and here you are. I'm using a ix12 transmitter. If I lose the aleron y and use channel 5 for one of the alerons. Do you Think I'd need to program the receiver?
On the locked AR631 in the AeroScout safe mode is ch 5 and panic ch 6 and they cannot be moved unless you unlock it, at least to the best of my knowledge. You could bind with safe select OFF and not use safe but ch 5 and ch 6 are still setup for flight modes and panic even with Safe select off I am pretty sure.
@@shanesdiyShane thanks for th quick response.
Interesting approach to test your settings! :) I´m wondering if I could do flaperons on my Trojan T-28 1,1 with the AR631 6-channel receiver and my DX8G2 Tx. Connecting each servo independently I would loose SAFE/AS3X on one side or can you programme that too? I haven´t understood that yet. Thanks in advance! :D
Have a look at my AeroScout flaperon video and the new series on unlocking the AR631! You totally can do that! I love my Flaperons on the AeroScout as long as its setup correctly. To keep AS3X and Safe you will need to do a firmware update and factory reset. Then reprogram from scratch. Its a project but doable.
@@shanesdiy Hi Shane, OK! I´ll watch your video! Oh, reprograming sounds like a longer project :S I´ll see what´s in the video and if it´s worth :)) I have so many other projects waiting in the hobby and cycling hobby too :P
THANK YOU!
Subscribed!
Hi Shane!
I have installed/programmed the flaperons on my T-28 and they work good without reprogramming the receiver yet. There are still two things:
In SAFE mode my modell has installed a slight mix of rudder with the ailerons. So if I activate flaps the rudder goes left as the right aileron is the one with SAFE. So trying to land in SAFE would mean the plane does a left turn... shit :P
The other thing is that the right aileron that works with SAFE and wasn´t reversed has no more travel downwards. The left one that I have reversed has travel down. I tried to increase the rate but I couldn´t. You mentioned that you increased some rate when acting as flaps. The only thing I could try is to move the servo arm a couple of degrees. But I think that the servo has more travel left. Or decrease the flap max % and see if then it moves down.
Maybe I´ll try it out tomorrow but I´m a bit scared. I have also put elevator, rudder and ailerons to it´s max travel. I´ll decrease the low rate more just in case it is too wild...
@@franciscoduran3688 Without unlocking and reprogramming the flight model in Forward Programming the gyro doesn't know that both channels are ailerons, you are aware of this. I wouldn't try to fly in safe with it this way. Self leveling may get really crazy. AS3X doesn't do that much so may not be as detrimental to the flight characteristics.
In my TX16S I was able to increase the rates on the aileron channels while in the two flap modes to restore full aileron swings. I do not know how, or if, that same method is possible on your DX8.
I would remove that rudder/aileron mix before a flaperon flight test. Not sure if it's possible with the DX8 but with my TX16S I would be able to disable the rudder mix only while the flaps were down.
Personally I would not fly it in its current state. I would get everything responding as expected on the ground before putting it in the air.
Is this a possible mod with the stock controller that it comes with? Could I rebind the panic button?
I assume you are talking about the RTF version and using the stock transmitter for this? If so, no, I don't think you'll have any way to set that up as the switch mapping is fixed to certain ones and you can't create custom mixes with the RTF transmitter. You also need to unlock the receiver and reprogram it through forward programming which the RTF TX doesn't do.
The plane & receiver on the RTF version can do this, you'll need to find a different transmitter.
Can i follow this procedure on a generation 1 dx8? Thank you.
You'll need the USB adapter so you can unlock the RX regardless which transmitter. Does your DX8 have forward programming capabilities? The setup must be done through forward programming as I detail in my Spektrum to EdgeTX series. The forward programming setup is pretty much the same whether using a Spektrum TX or a RadioMaster TX16S like mine. Actually the first time I set mine up with flaperons was with my Spektrum NX6.
Ah no, no fwd programming..
I do have a tx 12 though haven't figured how to use it yet..
You can do reverse thrust on it too. I have fun with reverse thrust on the AeroScout! Right from your radio and telemetry menu
Have you tried it 4s yet? I believe the ESC is rated 4s. It's possible if a guy stayed in the power he might over heat it. I bet we can keep an eye on temps with telemetry
The Horizon has locked down the stock ESC in the older AeroScouts so you can't make any changes such as eliminating that slow ramp up "feature". I just looked up the new AeroScout and they are now including an Avian ESC! That is awesome. Bummer both of mine have the old ESC's that are not 4S compatible, or so they say, or will they do reverse thrust.
@@shanesdiy gotcha. I lucked out and ordered this one 5-6 days ago from HH so I got lucky I guess.
I'm wondering if we can reverse thrust the UMX's that have avian ECS?
I'm putting a smart ESC & Telemetry, safe AS3X in a Fun Cub I'm putting together. It's been in the box for 10 years or longer and I really wanted reverse thrust! I have a blast with it on my turbo timber evolution.
The other day I accidentally flipped it on thinking I'd dropped the flaps. Man I fell out of the sky the moment I grabbed a handful of throttle. I just moved the toggle to a smaller toggle so hopefully I don't do it again.
I was wondering about the reverse thrust because there's an extra wire, when I asked before somebody said they didn't know.
Reverse from an Avian ESC wouldn't need an extra wire, programmed through the TextGen script. Does the extra wire come from the ESC or the receiver?
No in 4s how do you program reverse thrust on the S2 AEROSCOUT? Thank you.
Just got my aeroscout going again, is this worth doing?
Many don't like flaperons, I personally like it but I didn't until I sorted out extending the rates of the ailerons to retain full control authority while the flaperons were deployed. Before doing this control was very restricted with the flaps down, very disconcerting. I discuss this issue at the end of this video.
I like the results you've gotten by adding flaperons to the AeroScout. However, I don't understand why the receiver needed to be reprogrammed. Why is it not sufficient just to setup flaperons in the transmitter. Thanks.
Hi Bill, Spektrum (or is it Horizon Hobby?) locks the receiver with their presets for control surfaces, gyro gains, SAFE/AS3X channel, etc. Until you unlock the receiver you cannot connect via Forward Programming to make any changes to the SAFE, AS3X, Gyro, change control surfaces such as adding another channel for aileron. Even a Spektrum transmitter cannot make changes. I'm currently using channel 5 for my other aileron, in stock "locked" form, channels 5 and 6 are setup for SAFE and Panic modes so the two extra channels cannot be used and you can't change the safe and panic channels without unlocking it.
In my new 3 part series (Only part 1 is out currently) I am going over this exact subject. Episode 2 I'll show the limitations and we'll be unlocking another AR631.
@@shanesdiy Thanks. I think I got it. I use SAFE on my AeroScout but didn't realize there was a panic feature/mode which I'm guessing would be assigned to the panic button.
Anxious to see where and how the channels are defined (and redefined) via forward programming. Subscribed just for this reason.
OK, I've been playing with this for a couple days now. What files do I install Where on the radio? I would really appreciate as much help as you could give. I tried reading the Github stuff and i'm lost, guess that's why I work with my hands LMAO!!! Links , Info , Whatever , I'll take what i can get. Maybe a Install and forward programinging for Dumbies???🤣
Thanks
I had a video planned for installing the latest version of Forward Programmimg on my to-do list but I'll move it up the priority list. I'll try to do it this weekend, at least the first video where to get the files and where to put them and what folders to add. Took me a bit to figure it out as well. Stay tuned!
@Shane's DIY That would be Awesome!!!!
First episode is out for the new Spektrum setup series! Forward Programming script installation.
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Interesting video and modifications. I think your technical abilities are way beyond me, but I subscribed and will be watching more of your content. Nicely done! 👍🏻🙂
You have used all 6 channels. What channel is flight modes on what channel is panic on
The AR631 & AR637 have 6 physical servo outputs, but also multiple "virtual" outputs. Channels 7-9 can be used for safe mode, panic, reverse thrust (with Avian ESCs). Channel 6 is actually free in this setup. Using 2 and 5 are the ailerons at the receiver (1 & 5 in the transmitter).
Thanks for reply. I have avian escape and moved my mode and panic from channel 5& 6 to 7 & 8. I get no mode or panic function. Does the 631 need to be programmed to open channel 7 & 8. Do not understand 1 & 5 at transmitter. My check 1 is throttle
Do you have model file to share
@@JamesMorrowSr What airplane and what transmitter are you using? If you are using the BNF AeroScout like I have here the receiver may need to be unlocked before you can move safe modes away from channel 5 and panic is also stuck on channel 6 until you unlock and reset the receiver. I have other videos that cover how to unlock and reset these receivers. If you have Forward Programming available on your radio and depending on your receivers firmware you might be able to change the channel in Forward Programming. You also need to do the factory reset to allow you to move an aileron to another channel or the gyro (safe mode) won't be able to control the 2nd aileron.
My comment on the channel difference between the transmitter and receiver is related to channel conversion when an EdgeTX radio is bound to a Spektrum receiver. To explain this fully is more than I want to type out here but basically my radio channel order is AETR. This Spektrum receiver default channel order is TAER. The radio converts AETR to TAER when it leaves the radio.
@@JamesMorrowSr I can share a model file for the TX16S but if your receiver isn't unlocked, factory reset, and fully reprogrammed it won't work. Have you followed my videos on unlocking and resetting these receivers? If not you should go through that before trying to setup flaperons.
Lands fast?.....a full stall landing on the mains is at a brisk walking sped. This plane will FLY until the end of the battery at a joggers pace in no wind conditions.....landing too fast is due to lack of throttle management, it has NOTHING to do with the plane.....
Compared to my Timber X it lands fast and more than that, the glideslope is much flatter and at one of my flight locations I need to come in steeper over some trees and get it down fast to a short runway. Flaps help with that.
Plus it's fun to mod planes and experiment. Major part of the hobby for me and many others. Don't need or want flaps don't do it. Happy flying.
Obviously it lands faster than a Timber.....which has more wing area, flaps and leading edge slats with very little extra weight, relatively speaking. .
Kind of an "apples to oranges" comparison dontchathink?
I don't have an issue with your adding flaps, or whatever else you want, to your AeroScout.....I built an entirely new wing for mine with a bit longer span and included flaps and slats very similar to my Timber Evolution.
My only issue was you stating that the AeroScout lands fast....I stand by my comment regarding throttle management. You can also "slip" to bleed off altitude while keeping speed more manageable.....
@@TheWingnut58 Haha, ok. How about... "In stock form, it lands faster/longer than I'd like so lets try to slow it down with flaps to utilize my tighter landing strip". I preach the same thing about throttle/speed management to folks when I hear "the AeroScout likes to float", that one annoys me.
I was only comparing the two airplanes because I wanted to more easily fly the AeroScout at the same tight field where I fly my Timber X and Turbo Timber so that is roughly my "target".
Fair enough, I didn't mean to sound harsh, nor did I intend any disrespect. I think it's great that share your experiments and experience. Keep'em coming!