for Turkey you should do the path to restore the Ottoman's but when you finish the civil war do reconfigure Turkish foreign policy instead and just stay as anatolia and don't bring back the sultan
I did not enjoy my time trying out the Ottoman path, independent communism is a great time though, I had turned Greece into my puppet then just before Barbarossa I joined the commintern, created a complete quagmire in the Balkan's and got a nice chunk of Europe in the peace conference, never did bother doing the post war part of the focus tree where you take on the Soviets though. I could make a decent army and a decent enough air force as Turkey but even with a solid chunk of Europe I could never get enough of an economy going to ever hope to beat back the Soviets, plus at the time I didn't know how to do anything with navies so building up enough of a fleet to secure my part of the Med and the Black Sea wasn't happening, though I'm sure it's possible.
Fun fact: Switzerland has the largest ratio of nuclear fallout bunkers to people in the world. They’re capable of housing their entire population and then some, being the only country to be able to even house their entire population. It’s all because they added fallout bunkers to their building codes in the 80’s or something.
I finally said screw it and actually played historical Switzerland the other day. I doubt anyone will see this but these were my findings: - The historical tree, excluding the stuff about militia, is honestly shockingly powerful, but you simply can’t use it because your trying to stay neutral - the entire time from 1937 to like 1944, you are barely getting by with PP by the skin of your teeth because all of it is being spent on pleasing the surrounding countries to stop them from invading. And you can’t do defensive shows of force forever because that only has a cap of 100. But because you’re holding them off diplomatically by the skin of your teeth, it means you can’t always do the focuses and you have to pause every now and then. - THE ABSOLUTE MOST ANNOYING THING, is that once I had finally completed all the defensive preparation sub trees, I couldn’t even displease my surrounding nations to bait them into a war. Because around late 1943 for some reason all nations I had relation to went to -100 relations with me, but only the uk started to justify. Once I got them to calm down around early 1944, the absolute neutrality decisions broke and stopped changing, nor was anyone trying to attack me even though I had -100 relations with them. I’m honestly not surprised a bug that big is still in the game because I’m now one of 2 people who ever played historical Switzerland, but anyways if you have Ironman on, you can’t actually use any of your hard worked defenses
Switzerland can be fun, but it is tedious. Making the Alpine Confederation and taking Austria is usually the main focus. After that, jerk towards the middle path for Switzerland as well as working to formalize the military. Trying to get all of the big bonuses to the right and inside of the middle path. With all of that being said, it requires a good amount of micro managing the power balance, ministers, and relations to be able to squeeze that "fun" out of Switzerland.
The fun way to play neural Switzerland is to make use of all those research bonuses in the most optimal way. Focus on your research while the rest of Europe is at war, and once the winning faction turn around to come for you, you'll be at Quantum Engines IV and will set off into space in the great Swiss mothership.
For Turkey ISP should go down and do everything for the Ottoman path, then just turn around and do the balkan faction path, because by the time he gets there everyone in the balkans would already have picked a side
Kaiserredux just added a nice Australian update. Has a few different paths, you start with a decent navy (and with a focus can double it, you can just build 3 carriers and fill out some modern light cruisers and it's a good navy for pottering around recapping islands).
1:30 To be fair though, you can have a blast just defending due to the sheer amount of buffs and forts you get from the focus tree (200% attack on the Swiss Plateau) Surrender? All you need to do is make sure you don't lose one city, and you're fine Do build extra Anti Air though
In fact u cant get less consumer goods than 10% of mills and Civs combined wich is exactly what total mobe gives you. all the additional modifiers wont be able to lower it further than and are thus completely useles and no longer worth investing in. of course as long as you are not on total mobe and thus have a base expectency of at least 20% consumergods as with wareconomy, these aditional cosumergood modifiers actualy work. its just sad that the game doesent tell you that in a tool tip.
You can get a similar consumer goods buff if you embrace the opium trade as a warlord. You can also get rid of the mutually exclusive focus by having a civil war
This game proves that the Metroid series was made by Switzerland. They loved the design of their country so much, they made the Mother Brain into a gaming phenomenon.
what i think would be funny for turkey is if u put every ai's focus on the most chaotic path for stuff to happen asap, and for you to only be able to do any real focusses in the 40's
Switzerland played optimally is still not fun. It's better than the generic focus tree but that's not saying much. As Patrick Henry once said, "Give me the pre-NSB Soviet tree or give me the pre-BBA Italy tree!"
9:35 For an AI peace deal, this actually looks pretty nice We have a british and american occupation zone, as well as an East German soviet puppet(as well at the Warsaw pact)
for Turkey you should do the path to restore the Ottoman's but when you finish the civil war do reconfigure Turkish foreign policy instead and just stay as anatolia and don't bring back the sultan
Omg. Yes please
That sounds like existential crisis to me
there's autism, then there's hoi4 players, then there's this.
i agree with this, the star wars meme, we stand for the republic, for democracy!
I did not enjoy my time trying out the Ottoman path, independent communism is a great time though, I had turned Greece into my puppet then just before Barbarossa I joined the commintern, created a complete quagmire in the Balkan's and got a nice chunk of Europe in the peace conference, never did bother doing the post war part of the focus tree where you take on the Soviets though.
I could make a decent army and a decent enough air force as Turkey but even with a solid chunk of Europe I could never get enough of an economy going to ever hope to beat back the Soviets, plus at the time I didn't know how to do anything with navies so building up enough of a fleet to secure my part of the Med and the Black Sea wasn't happening, though I'm sure it's possible.
As Lenin once said, there are decades where nothing happens and weeks where nothing happens.
Paradox made sure that no one would want to play Switzerland
Switzerland was just too op man
A noble goal
In all fairness though, even if the Swiss had an enjoyable focus tree there would probably still be like 2 people out there who would play Switzerland
Oh no, a ww2 war game have a Switzerland that is boring
As they should
> but chuddha, what if-
> it wont
Once you accept that nothing happens you escape Samsara
Nusoicacas…
If you would consult the graph
What is bro’s pfp
@@IvanIvanoff-d4p
OH MY HECKING SCHOPENHAUER IS THIS LE WESTERN DISTORTION OF MUB EASTERN WISDOM! I'M GONNA DETAAAACH!
millions must play switzerland, billions even. total plains death.
Truly a gem of a nation.
What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
Cowardice, and a lack of moral principles
If you're human, to live means finding SMTH to fight and die for
The words of Zapp Brannigan.
@@Tom-oj7si No, I Don't Like Neutrality But I Respect It As Those Who Choose It Are Simply Whethering The Storm Without Sending People To Die.
@@Tom-oj7si how is being peaceful a lack of morals? is warmongering morally good? idiot.
Switzerland Minister of Defense: Mr President! It's a beige alert!
President: If I don't survive, tell my wife "hello".
I love Futurama ❤
"What makes a man turn neutral?"-25 star general, Zapp Brannigan
@@giladpellaeon1691 I was born with a heart full of neutrality. All I know is that my gut says 'maybe'.
'Nothing ever happens' bros won 😔
Fun fact: Switzerland has the largest ratio of nuclear fallout bunkers to people in the world. They’re capable of housing their entire population and then some, being the only country to be able to even house their entire population. It’s all because they added fallout bunkers to their building codes in the 80’s or something.
Very nice of mussolini to just give both Genoa and Milan up because the swiss asked nicely
Switzerland has been AFK for 200 years
Just was in Switzerland yesterday and i can confirm nothing happens!
And that's a good thing, the place is beautiful!
If their is no rat I will bring back Denmark from the ethereal realm
Denmark doesn't exist revival?
guys , can you explain rat joke please?
@@lovemilkandmilk isp once had his editor put a picture of a rat in one of his videos and never showed it again so we demand it
"Portugal has declared war on Japan"
Blackthorne warned us but nobody listened!
I finally said screw it and actually played historical Switzerland the other day. I doubt anyone will see this but these were my findings:
- The historical tree, excluding the stuff about militia, is honestly shockingly powerful, but you simply can’t use it because your trying to stay neutral
- the entire time from 1937 to like 1944, you are barely getting by with PP by the skin of your teeth because all of it is being spent on pleasing the surrounding countries to stop them from invading. And you can’t do defensive shows of force forever because that only has a cap of 100. But because you’re holding them off diplomatically by the skin of your teeth, it means you can’t always do the focuses and you have to pause every now and then.
- THE ABSOLUTE MOST ANNOYING THING, is that once I had finally completed all the defensive preparation sub trees, I couldn’t even displease my surrounding nations to bait them into a war. Because around late 1943 for some reason all nations I had relation to went to -100 relations with me, but only the uk started to justify. Once I got them to calm down around early 1944, the absolute neutrality decisions broke and stopped changing, nor was anyone trying to attack me even though I had -100 relations with them.
I’m honestly not surprised a bug that big is still in the game because I’m now one of 2 people who ever played historical Switzerland, but anyways if you have Ironman on, you can’t actually use any of your hard worked defenses
0:48 describes all of Focus to Z.
The levels of not happening in this video are off the chart.
I played Switzerland once. One time. Never again.
12:26 Greece can get a -80% I think if they go down the utilize our strengths focus.
The levels of happening in this video are below zero, absolute zero even.
Switzerland can be fun, but it is tedious. Making the Alpine Confederation and taking Austria is usually the main focus. After that, jerk towards the middle path for Switzerland as well as working to formalize the military. Trying to get all of the big bonuses to the right and inside of the middle path. With all of that being said, it requires a good amount of micro managing the power balance, ministers, and relations to be able to squeeze that "fun" out of Switzerland.
Chuds of Iron IV
Real chads like their map games the same as their sex lives. With absolutely no action.
so... fvcking... trve...
The fun way to play neural Switzerland is to make use of all those research bonuses in the most optimal way. Focus on your research while the rest of Europe is at war, and once the winning faction turn around to come for you, you'll be at Quantum Engines IV and will set off into space in the great Swiss mothership.
I concur, nothing ever happens.
For Turkey ISP should go down and do everything for the Ottoman path, then just turn around and do the balkan faction path, because by the time he gets there everyone in the balkans would already have picked a side
I hate these filthy Neutrals. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.
Ever played until 1947 only lend-leasing equipment with Sweden before the DLC came out?
Why so specific?
*Take a wild guess what I did.*
And? How did you like it?
can't guess,so i'l just ask,what did you do ?
@@thzpp6845 Played Luxembourg and declared on the french. Germany saved by butt. For a while...
I like the Swiss focus tree. I'm willing to accept my martyrdom
Can't even do soviet alpine federation because paradox couldn't find "a historical justification to make a communist path..."
3:58 they hate you but they hate invading you even more
if paradox removed switzerland it would probably take people a couple weeks to notice
Why is hungary called "Balkan Socialist Union" at 13:54 ?!
Cause they completed greater Hungary and when they get puppet'd and flip communist its renamed to "Balkan socialist union"
For some reason that’s the name when “Greater Hungary” turns Communist
Truly the South American game
Kaiserredux just added a nice Australian update. Has a few different paths, you start with a decent navy (and with a focus can double it, you can just build 3 carriers and fill out some modern light cruisers and it's a good navy for pottering around recapping islands).
Chudpilled, based and switzerland core
1:30
To be fair though, you can have a blast just defending due to the sheer amount of buffs and forts you get from the focus tree
(200% attack on the Swiss Plateau)
Surrender? All you need to do is make sure you don't lose one city, and you're fine
Do build extra Anti Air though
In fact u cant get less consumer goods than 10% of mills and Civs combined wich is exactly what total mobe gives you. all the additional modifiers wont be able to lower it further than and are thus completely useles and no longer worth investing in. of course as long as you are not on total mobe and thus have a base expectency of at least 20% consumergods as with wareconomy, these aditional cosumergood modifiers actualy work. its just sad that the game doesent tell you that in a tool tip.
Seriously, I played this game for almost 1000 hours and only learned about this now!
You can get a similar consumer goods buff if you embrace the opium trade as a warlord.
You can also get rid of the mutually exclusive focus by having a civil war
I had fun playing Switzerland once with max buffed axis and I joined the allies.
If you liked this Switzerland, you should totally try playing as the State of Guangdong in TNO
This game proves that the Metroid series was made by Switzerland. They loved the design of their country so much, they made the Mother Brain into a gaming phenomenon.
I love Mr productions
this is what i needed this is what my body urged for this is what i needed skibidi sigma brother we need more of this
featuring chudjak after chujak central congratualted ISP's birthday
Now do this with the nothing ever happens mod so nothing really happens
what i think would be funny for turkey is if u put every ai's focus on the most chaotic path for stuff to happen asap, and for you to only be able to do any real focusses in the 40's
"Well this is kind of, I guess, weirdly historically accurate"
He says, after somebody inexplicably nuked Corsica
iSorrow doing nothing but convincing me that this actually looks like a lot of fun
I will never play Switzerland as I am a little chud. I want stuff to happen. 😂
On the bright side, by following these steps you could catch up with your missed tv shows.
ISorrowProductions is sharty culture
He is finally playing Kaltekrieg
I haven't watched in more than a year,now I get to binge watch hours of content.
I can't believe we made it to the end of focus A-Z and its almost the end of the year what a time to be alive.
As we usually do you know the drill, Hello gravy timofy
I am Swiss... and not even I want to play Switzerland.
he did the sob actually did it......someone played the Swiss and enjoyed every click of it
I love how free france gave you land they didn't even control.
Switzerland played optimally is still not fun. It's better than the generic focus tree but that's not saying much.
As Patrick Henry once said, "Give me the pre-NSB Soviet tree or give me the pre-BBA Italy tree!"
Great video, loved the part where nothing happened! ❤
gem
"triple down on the entent" made me laugh. Geek factor 47!
Playing as the swiss makes you an aggressive conqueror
all the things you said running through my head
See! iSorrow has engaged in some fun!
FUN:
F is for Fire that burns down the whole town!
U is for Uranium... bombs!
N is for No Survivors when you--!
Hot take: the power struggle mechanic introduced in By Blood Alone was a mistake. It's okay in Italy, all the other iterations of it are not fun.
when the DLC comes out, we need a " P.1000 Ratte Only " video!
9:54 *almost* historically accurate operation unthinkable
HE BUILT A CIV O:
Once had a player literally fall asleep playing Switzerland in an mp game
I need a isp chudjak 😭
If i ever find enough time to play mutliplayer doing a "neutral" swiss run(even though im helping allies more) seems hilarious
Billions must consult the chart:
> Chart shows nothing ever happens
You did the one fun path, the alpine protectorate. Free land = fun. You failed the challenge.
Didn’t know Paradox gave the “Nothing Ever Happens” bros a whole country…
"Have you been miss-sold Jet Fighter 1s?"
Switzerland more lick Clitzerland, got em
More like suck dikzerland, got em
More like blow dikzerland, got em
More like lick dixerland. Got em
🔥🔥🔥
ez
9:35
For an AI peace deal, this actually looks pretty nice
We have a british and american occupation zone, as well as an East German soviet puppet(as well at the Warsaw pact)
It looks almost correct.
Almost. Not quite.
Buuut nothing ever happens.....and i wonder.....ah wait he plays Switzerland thats why
hoi4 but its historical. nothing ever happens.
"Nothing ever happens" is my favourite meme ever.
Still waiting for that unedited 1x speed artillery only neutral Switzerland game
I can't believe ISP is finally playing TNO
For nostalgia November you should revisit the warlord mod by trying autumn begonia.
ISP plays SS ordenstaat burgund AGAIN
Fun fact: A Swiss company is about to monopolize the standard issue infantry armaments for the United States Army.
Sig is Swiss, Sauer is a German firm they partnered with to get around Swiss laws on exporting weapons.
@@JLT0087 Average Swiss behavior.
I wish there was a way that switzerland can create the HRE.
You know you have a nice country when strategy gamers hate playing it.
YES
0:01 I'm not ready
If this vid came out 10 years ago, the like/dislike ratio would have been completely balanced. Curse you UA-cam for depriving us of this opportunity
Trying to understand the balancing act for the focus tree is hell. Just did it for the achievements.. never again switz..
Love how its 2 minutes into the video and we're already at 1939
I’ve played Lithuania with 0 consumer goods
Wouldn't the worst way to play Switzerland be to do the French puppet path?
Drinking game
Take a shot every time the funny man says
"Nothing ever happens"
I still think the Alpine Protectorate has the most Tolkien country flag in HoI4.
Playing monopoly while everyone else plays diplomacy.
"Nobody doesn't even play."