Can You Hear a Difference Between 1763 & 2021 Cello? | DON QUIXOTE by R. Strauss (Leg. ESP, POR)
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- Today we are going to compare two brilliant cellos! One is from the year 1763 and the other one is from this year, 2021!
The 1763 is the cello that I play the most on, it is a Jean-Baptiste Lefebvre, build in Amsterdam.
The 2021 is build by my great friend Julio Cesar Vesper, and is a copy of my 1763 instrument. What a powerful cello...
So here goes the question: CAN YOU HEAR A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN an 1763 & 2021 Cello? Which one do you like more, and why? Extremely looking forward for your opinions!
This is going to be a very interesting cello comparison!
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0:00 Intro & Useful Info
2:42 2021 Cello - Theme
3:33 1763 Cello - Theme
4:20 2021 Cello - Variation I
5:08 1763 Cello - Variation I
5:53 2021 Cello - Variation V
8:00 1763 Cello - Variation V
10:05 2021 Cello - Finale
11:07 1763 Cello - Finale
12:09 Conclusion
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Both instruments are fantastic! The new one sounds brighter and stronger, but also nice deep tones. The older one more mellow and darker, like a wise old guy. I hope for you that you can keep them both.
Wonderful opinion! Thanks! Good news is that they are both mine, so I can keep them forever 😃
@@IliaLaporevcellist Good for you!!! 2 gorgeous instruments 🧡
@@IliaLaporevcellist what is the secret to living forever?
@Marko Lukic Music is the air that we are breathing! And be happy!
Yes i agree.Some parts is better for one and some is better for the other one.
The newer instruments are like bright and happy like little kids. The older instruments are refined and treasured with many stories to tell when played. Just love listening to the older instruments and how not much has really changed from a physics standpoint from 1763 to 2021. I am always wondering how many cellists played on the 1763 made cello and how it was passed on through the years. Your playing is also absolutely beautiful and I could listen to you play all day!
I was thinking that the newer cello was playing music but the older cello was also telling stories.
The overtones with the older one is insane. What a special instrument.
Agreee
Agreed
Such wonderful instruments in the hands of a master musician! The older cello is deep rich and full of color. The new cello has a clear more defined sound. If only you could be around to play it after 200 years! I love them both!
I wished that too!
Awesome!!! Great comparison of both. Naturally the antique Cello has a more open sound, more ringing and depth because at this point after 200 years it should be broken in ;-)
The new Cello sounds very good and will only get better with more playing obviously. I will say, the new Cello is one of the better new instruments I’ve ever heard ! Kudos to the Maker he has a brilliant future!! And for you - it’s awesome that you are highlighting a modern maker and also have an exact copy of your old instrument!!!
Totally right! I am going to make a part II of this video. One year later, wondering how the new instrument will sound. But nevertheless, I couldn’t believe when I saw and played for the first time on the new cello. What an powerful instrument. Julio Cesar Vesper (the maker) has indeed a brilliant future, and he is so young! He is a bit older than me and already you can find wisdom into his instruments. And he is so humble!
@@IliaLaporevcellist have you made a part 2? im really interested to hear the difference after some time that the instrument was played and broken into :)
The new cello sounds brilliant! More powerful bright sound than the old cello, which sounds a little more mellow and darker. I think you should use them both for different music. The new instrument will sound amazing for 19th and 20th century works and the older instrument great for older works. Congrats to your brilliant luthier! Enjoy this wonderful copy of your original cello.
Thank you so much! Yes, Bach Suites I always will play on my 1763, period. But Dvorak Concerto, or even Strauss from the video, I will use the Vesper one. Thanks, Julio Cesar will be extremely happy to see your comment!
Este si parerea mea ! Instrumentul vechi este ideal pentru muzica camerala , iar cel nou preteaza la roluri solistice, in mod evident ! Felicitari colegului lutier !!!@@IliaLaporevcellist
It is also my opinion! The old instrument is ideal for chamber music, and the new one lends itself to soloist roles, obviously! Congratulations to the fellow luthier!!!
Hello Ilia, forgive my late reply to this wonderful post. Though the Vesper (2021) is absolutely--without doubt--well made; one can hear how it hasn't yet been seasoned by the touch of Time. In the Lefebvre 1763, one can hear--if not feel--the hand of Time on its voice and physical structure as you play it! The C and G strings are just so resonant and deep like a rich full-bodied red wine. Arrestingly so! You can hear them wax between ancient softness and resonant depth and then, conversely, their powerfully sonorous and masterfully dark range as you play them. The A and D strings have more clear and luminant resonance in their sound yet amazingly keep this lovely and sharp brilliance that seem to burst through the centuries; like sunlight! It's a magnificent creation! I think your Vesper will achieve this only through the caress of the corridors of Time. Seriously, a century from now (2122) is when Vesper will begin to match the Lefebvre. Which, in all things, is as it should be. Question? Did you use the exact same make of strings for both the Lefebvre and the Vesper? Thank you for this post!
I love both sounds but I don't know if it's because you are more used to playing with the old one but I could definitely feel more emotions into that one. There is so much vibes into it. Like telling its history. Thank you so much for sharing.
I play both cello and euphonium so Don Quixote is a great example of amazing writing for both. And bravo, I enjoyed your playing very much.
That's amazing 😍👏!
Thank Remy to make me know you! 🤗
Wow! Ilia, ¡Qué bien te suenan esas dos almas arbóreas! Una sombría y sabia, la otra llena de juventud e ingenua y fresca credulidad en el mundo. Los dos no pueden cantar igual, cada uno tiene su alma única. Maravilloso trabajo del Luthier. No quiero saber los precios :-)! Abrazo fortísimo !
So good to see someone playing 7/8 professionally. A lot of people near me insist I should buy 4/4 but I ignored them. What do they know, they are only professionals!?
Here is some information on cello size age will play a major role in helping you determine the best cello size for your needs. The smallest cello size (⅒) is appropriate for children ages four to six years. For older children, add a year or so to the baseline age for each subsequent size of the cello: the ⅛ cello is appropriate for children ages five to seven, the ¼ for kids ages seven to nine, and so on. Female cellists sometimes use the smaller adult size (⅞), ideal for teenagers 15 years old and up, while the 4/4 works for most adults.
Arm length: Adults and children alike can use their arm length to determine the best cello size. To make this simple measurement, extend your left arm, so it’s straight with no bends or over-extension. Next, measure from your neck to either your wrist or palm, or from your left shoulder to the tip of the middle finger; a measurement of 24 inches or more would require a 4/4 or full-size cello, while 16 inches or more is acceptable for the ⅒ cello size.
Finger span: To use the span or distance between your fingers as a cello size guide, spread your fingers in a splayed but comfortable position. A six-inch span from the index finger to the little or “pinky” finger is the right distance for a full-size cello, while three inches is acceptable for the ⅒ cello.
Height: You can also use your height for an accurate cello measurement. A height of three feet is appropriate for the ⅒, while five feet or taller would require a full-size cello. If you happen to fall between sizes, it’s best to choose a smaller cello.
Seat: You can get an accurate cello measurement from a seated position if you cannot try the other physical measurements. To use the seat method, sit in a straight-backed chair with your feet on the floor and knees at a 90-degree angle. Set the cello’s endpin to 12 inches in length, and hold the cello as you would if playing it: your sternum, or breast bone, should rest against the upper rim of the cello, and the lower bout corner of the instrument should touch your left knee. The cello’s neck should be close to your left shoulder, while the tuning peg for the C string-the thickest string-should be near your left ear. Your left hand should also be able to use the fingerboard with ease. If this position and height feel comfortable, then the cello is the right size.
both beautiful instruments! The old one is amazing but would love to hear this comparison again after the new one has been played for a few years and the wood has become more responsive and resonant. In 258 years maybe they will sound the same, but we will never know! Very interesting video
I love how these instruments have life and get better with age, how amazing!
Ohhh. Can’t wait for this one!!!
This is going to be a very interesting one! ;)
Muito bonito o timbre do Vésper. O lefebvre soa mais aberto na minha percepção, mas ambos são maravilhosos. Parabéns maestro e parabéns ao Júlio Vésper. Que bom saber que existem profissionais desse nível no Brasil !
Muito obrigado pelo seu feedback! Eu como estrangeiro vivendo no Brasil, só vejo talento e profissionais que amam o que fazem!
This reminds me of my own two violins. My favorite was made in 1949, and has a great bottom end (for a violin) yet is also mellow on the high end. I purchased my other violin from its very experienced maker in 1987, when it was just a couple years old. While I liked it, and choose it from about 5 violins of his, it still didn't have AS great a bottom end, and the high end was relatively more brittle sounding (though with great projection).
So, I most often played and recorded with the 1949 instrument, but kept the 1985 violin out of its case ready to play almost 24/7 (to age faster, I sincerely believe) and used it on less discerning (outdoor) events and rehearsals. Now, in 2022, I find the newer violin MUCH more mellow and great to play. Now they are more equal, although distinct from each other, if that makes sense. I love that the newer instrument has become so much deeper and mellow in tone.
So to me your two cellos sound now like my two violins did when compared to each other back 35 years ago. Keep yourself in good shape so that you can enjoy the newer cello at the height of its tone in another 20 or more years!
And I do agree with the comments that, for a brand new cello, it sounds really great now! Great video.
Amazing video and production, Professor! 👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you so much dear Heitor!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
First of all, you are GREAT! Both instruments sounds fantastic.
Both instruments are beautiful! I do love the darker tones that show up with the older cello. I think you will be playing your new cello a lot in the next few weeks/months as it develops it's sound
Both instruments are amazing! If you read the comments, everyone has its own opinion about it, but who really will know, is me :) by the way, I am playing it now more often and it sounds just beautiful! Definitely a part II of this comparison will come! Hopefully in a concert hall!
Both are ..perfect and you are a marvelous player .
Thank you so much! 🙏🏻
Beautiful workmanship, and sound, and much appreciated power and dynamic range ! Obvious comfort for Mr. Laporev comes with his own original, and a creamier sound that comes from this lovely well-aged cello! I'd like to hear more sustained sounds near the bridge in Don Quixote, if both cellos will allow that, and then contrasts of bow velocity with bridge proximity/distance. Thank you for this great film!
Amazing playing! I love Don Quixote. I was surprised that for me the 2021 cello was my favourite in many of the passages, it's a superb new cello; but the 1763 was more special in the wonderful Death of Don Quixote passage.
Muchas felicidades maestro, es una gran bendición por sus Violonchelos. 👏 👏
Muchas gracias querido Arnulfo! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Ilia, it was a great experience for my ears!!! Thank you!!! Subscribed!!! Good luck on what you do in your life!!!-:)
Very glad it was a great experience for you :) Thank you so much! 🙏🏻
Hello, I really enjoyed you playing both instrument! I could tell that old one you felt more confident! If I have to say something the sounds of both are great high standards! ! I'm gonna say at this point of quality! It's about tastes and personal opinion! Thank you for sharing this wonderful video!!
immediatley noticed the deeper, robust sound on the older cello. mmmmmmm beautiful
I think both cellos have different voices, and your playing is so good! Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you so much dear Claudia! Muchas gracias!
💯👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🎻
I have put the reminder, saludos y bendiciones maestro Ilia 👋👍
Muchas gracias! Espero que te guste el video! Saludos y bendiciones!
I almost gave up on Cello as my left hand would not comply with my 4/4. I bought a 7/8 and the difference is amazing! I can play with no left hand tension.
Great to have people that are same minded! Same over here! So easy to play and sound projection is equal than a 4/4. Size doesn’t really matter! Thank you for watching!
Here is some information on cello size age will play a major role in helping you determine the best cello size for your needs. The smallest cello size (⅒) is appropriate for children ages four to six years. For older children, add a year or so to the baseline age for each subsequent size of the cello: the ⅛ cello is appropriate for children ages five to seven, the ¼ for kids ages seven to nine, and so on. Female cellists sometimes use the smaller adult size (⅞), ideal for teenagers 15 years old and up, while the 4/4 works for most adults.
Arm length: Adults and children alike can use their arm length to determine the best cello size. To make this simple measurement, extend your left arm, so it’s straight with no bends or over-extension. Next, measure from your neck to either your wrist or palm, or from your left shoulder to the tip of the middle finger; a measurement of 24 inches or more would require a 4/4 or full-size cello, while 16 inches or more is acceptable for the ⅒ cello size.
Finger span: To use the span or distance between your fingers as a cello size guide, spread your fingers in a splayed but comfortable position. A six-inch span from the index finger to the little or “pinky” finger is the right distance for a full-size cello, while three inches is acceptable for the ⅒ cello.
Height: You can also use your height for an accurate cello measurement. A height of three feet is appropriate for the ⅒, while five feet or taller would require a full-size cello. If you happen to fall between sizes, it’s best to choose a smaller cello.
Seat: You can get an accurate cello measurement from a seated position if you cannot try the other physical measurements. To use the seat method, sit in a straight-backed chair with your feet on the floor and knees at a 90-degree angle. Set the cello’s endpin to 12 inches in length, and hold the cello as you would if playing it: your sternum, or breast bone, should rest against the upper rim of the cello, and the lower bout corner of the instrument should touch your left knee. The cello’s neck should be close to your left shoulder, while the tuning peg for the C string-the thickest string-should be near your left ear. Your left hand should also be able to use the fingerboard with ease. If this position and height feel comfortable, then the cello is the right size.
Невероятно! Оба инструмента звучат прекрасно, но по-своему. Старый - имеет более глубокий, насыщенный звук, новый - более звонкий и легкий. Мои поздравления современному мастеру!
Спасибо большое! Очень рад!
I'm excited 🤪❤️
Great to know! 😃
amazing comparison, both cellos sound brilliant
Thanks! I am planning to make a part II, but one year later! With the same instruments and same location, or hopefully restrictions will be better and I can do a video in a concert hall!Then we talk business 😎
Los dos instrumentos son excelentes. El Vesper suena un poco más cerrado en el registro agudo, porque obviamente tiene que madurar. Creo que en un futuro cercano sonará tan bien como el cello antiguo. Felicitaciones al luthier Vesper, que hizo este maravilloso intrumento y a usted maestro, por tan buena interpretación de Strauss.
Both its amazing ❤❤❤❤
This guy doesn't cease to amaze me. I'm a singer (Bass), and I consider him one of my teachers.
Both of them are amazing and beautiful cellos. The 1763 is very adorable cello with deepest and dark bass with incredible clean high notes. The 2021 is very adorable as well the bass is so strong, deep and dark, the high notes are clean and powerful and also is brilliant.
So both of then are breath taken cellos.
Indeed! Both are great! Very difficult for me to choose… 😆
How does one get their hands on an instrument that old??? I can't imagine someone keeping it around for that long and in such pristine condition
the new one seems really bright and sharp, the older one seems to be more creamy (which I prefer). Anyway both of them are great. thank you for such a good comparison video. You play wonderful. I would definitely like to download your hq recordings
Yes, both instruments sound wonderful and you play so masterly. The older one has a superb lower register that emits enormous depth. It feels like the newer one is more powerful in the mid and upper register and so beautifully velvety. I would choose the newer for melodic pieces and the older for pieces with more rhythmic emphasis. I also found the breathing to be very loud. That's probably because the microphone is closer to the head than the instrument's body. And maybe the volume of the instruments is not particularly high. When I play violin or viola there is no possible way that anyone is going to hear me breathing. :) My cello is in the final stages of construction so this is great inspiration.
I loved both of the cellos. But to be honest, I didn't think that there was a huge difference in the sound. Thanks for this fun video!
Amazing content Ilia!! Pretty happy that I don’t have this problem since the modern concert grand pianos always do the job!
Thank you! What you say it’s true. But when you have to travel for concerts or other events and you need to adapt each time to another piano (and sometimes terrible ones 😅), that can be frustrating, at least that’s what my fellow pianists says!
@@IliaLaporevcellist that’s why there isn’t a bad concert grand piano!! Only bad concert pianists (myself included) 🤣
The Vesper cello makes a brilliant sound and I was surprised by its clarity and response to your playing. The Lefebvre cello did exhibit a warm sound and responded a tad easier response to your playing - but sometimes that can be an illusion for the audience. I believe that both instruments are outstanding in their ways. As for your performance, Ilia, a heartfelt appreciation for your exceptional technique master of the cello must be acknowledged as well. 😊❤
The Vesper is amazing for a brand new cello, and I would give it 5 stars as well as the LeFebvre. Both excellent, both with unique personalities. I think it takes time for a cellist to extract their sound from any cello, and given your 10 year relationship with the LeFebvre, I think the Vesper must be pretty close and quite amazing! This was an interesting video. And congratulations to Julio C. Vesper for an amazing cello (I want one!)
My gosh. This 2021 cello already exceeds the original. Can you imagine what this new cello will be like in 300 years? It was a real treat to hear both side by side in the hands of a master.
Beautiful replica, Julio!
Within a few years it will “grow” towards the sound of the original.
I hear more harmonics in the old instrument (especially in the last movement) and I think that’s the reason it sounds more mellow -or more balanced than the new one.
The new instrument still produces mainly ground harmonics which makes it more outspoken and brilliant.
Nevertheless, both instruments are a joy to listen to - for sure played by a pro!
The older cello I think is tuned a few cent sharper, so for me it makes the older ones performance sound better, although I think it does actually sound slightly better tonally anyway! Thanks for doing the cpmparison very interesting!
Thanks! Almost one year has passed since this video has been published and what I can say for now is: the new cello starts to blend in into my hands and is starting to wake up, but the old one still is a level higher! Everything seems going more naturally meanwhile on the new one I still need to explore and ‘force’ things to get the tone/sound I want. Thanks for your comment! Appreciate!
I am from South Africa
Both brilliant rich sound
Congratulations to both the player and luthier
Which i had one
Greatttt!
Awesome!! 🙌🏻
I prefer the old one. Much richer in sound. Very nice video!
1763 has the deep beautiful confidence of many lifetimes and years with you, and the 2021 has the powerful confidence and beauty of eager youth ready to take on the world. Thoroughly enjoyed this video. You make them both sing so beautifully.
Love this: ready to take on the world!! Thank you so much!
@@IliaLaporevcellist thank you for the amazing music and best cello channel!
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Fantastic playing sir. The new cello has a bit more defined sound on the higher notes I think. But the that 1760’s unit is perfectly haunting. Bravo man. Keep up the playing. Here here.
Thank you so much dear Bob! As I responded at other comments, I definitely will make a Part II of this! One year later in a concert hall! Then I am wondering how it will sound! :) thanks for your comment!
@@IliaLaporevcellist wow I must hear that. I am in my first year with the cello. I’ve always admired it greatly. And it took forty one years to finally begin a journey with one. I’m so very glad I did. I’m looking forward to part two.
I feel the old one just speaks to the audience more, but that's understandable as a good cello improves with age. The new cello, however, definitely does sound amazing and I bet it will be just as good as the 1763 in a few hundred years!
Your copy is very new, and to my ears less rich in sound but will mature especially when so beautifully played. My brand new strad copy just gets better in the 6 months ive had it and they reckon like good wine matures further 5yrs. plus.
Too new even! Looking forward to make a part II next year! Wondering how the sound will be!
The both industry stunting the 1763 absolutely has more round and binging played over 200years the the young chello was absolutely beautiful congratulation to the maker stunning work .
Gostei do resultado do Vésper, como não tenho o de 1763, fiquei bastante satisfeito com novo e vou encomendar um cello para mim. Agradeço muito por me ajudar a descobrir o luthier
Being new to the cello, coming from a guitar background, both sound amazing and I would be extremely happy with an instrument that sounds like either. I needed to watch the video a second time, after which I could hear the warmer yet darker tones of the 1763 cello over the brighter, more vibrant newer one. Any handmade instrument is like a brand new pair of handmade leather shoes, they both need time to mould to the user/wearer before it gets really comfortable.
Great video! I liked the 1763 a bit more, a darker, broader / deeper sound, (mellow?) and a bit more balanced. But I'm sure the 2021 will mellow out in the future, It is a bit brighter (like with many new instruments), but I find Julio still has managed to do a wonderful copy not only aesthetically but also soundwise. Bravo. I'm guessing you are gonna be playing it more than the 1763 in the near future (reason: the hazardous life of orchestramusicians can take toll on old instruments? - been there).
Thanks! Yes indeed, as it’s a new cello, its brighter. I am wondering how it will sound after a while, so I will make a continuation of this video, like a part II. Then its going to be way more interesting! And yeah…don’t tell me…takes a huge toll! 😂
Beautiful, both. I MUCH prefer the 1763 cello, though. The C and G strings are much more hearty and soulful and the rest of the instrument a more lovely singing voice than than the raw new cello. Boy will the newby mellow in time, though, no worries. Thank you for this wonderful video and the brilliant playing!
Que bom que tem alguém que reconhece que aqui também tem artistas muito empenhados e talentosos(brasil).
It is good to know that someone recognizes that the brazil has very worthy and talented artists
O que mais tem no Brasil é: talento!! Adoro o povo Brasileiro!
There are things that you cant hear behind a screen but, i recognize that is compleatly amizing
The luthier created an incredible replica. I think Vesper preserved the core sound & look of mother cello and I love them both! ❤
In a side-by-side comparison Lefebvre is more mature, but surprisingly, although audible, not that much difference overall as I expected. In isolation I think I prefer the lower register of the old one, but I suspect the Vesper's sound projects a tad better in an ensemble...
They complement each other. 💞 ☯ I'm very happy for you and hope you have double fun playing both!
les timbres et les résonnances sont tellement différentes ! mais l'instrument de 1763 est tellement plus agréable selon moi et restitue plus de choses
Olá, Ilia. Tudo bem?
Você está com dois violoncelos maravilhosos. Parabéns! À você pela aquisição e ao Luthier pela construção.
Dois instrumentos que, pelo vídeo, tem suas características peculiares em casa registro (grave e agudo).
Faça mais vídeos como este, por favor.
Um abraço.
Muito obrigado querido Samuel! Sim, vou fazer um parte 2 desse vídeo! Mas dessa vez em uma sala de concerto e bom, daqui um ano o cello de Vesper vai soar também diferente! Precisa de tempo :) Grande abraço!
The 1763 cello's sound is purer, more like deep human voice singing, while the 2021 one's is clearly bright and crispier; It definitely needs more playing to get rid of the feeling of newness. But I'm still amazed that you play a 7/8 cello. As a petite person I play a 4/4 cello. Sometimes I wonder whether I should switch to 7/8 because of the size of my hand. It's not easy to find a good 7/8!
I am absolutely in LOVE with the 2021. It has such a beautiful voice! I know that will not make me the most popular, but WOW! I would not hesitate to choose the 2021 if they were both offered to me!
Julio Cesar Vesper (the maker of the 2021) will be so happy to read this!
Oh, no. This vintage cello is incomparable: it has a wonderful depth of sound, overtones, more metallic crackle, louder sound... The masters of the past experienced the secrets of a wonderful instrument...
both cellos had a beautiful tone!
the newer cello was very upfront and power, and handled the lower notes very well and brought out a wonderfully rich tone! very gorgeous to listen to
while the 1763 cello was more subdued it had a rather dark and rich tone, different from the newer cello - it definitely brought out something different and has a very classic and beautiful sound!!
both are lovely, and as a cellist it would be amazing to play on either cello!
What I am questioning myself: how will this new cello sound after a couple of years? Looking forward to start a new journey with the new one!
@@IliaLaporevcellist yes definitely!!
As others have said, both cellos sound great. There is something about the upper register on the old one that attracts me -- it's freer sounding (in general), more complex, and more full/better supported in the second octave on the A-string. I wondered if it might be my imagination, but I went back and listened to the Finale several times and it affected me the same way each time (even when I mistakenly went back to the wrong instrument on the first re-listen).
That said, they're closer than I'd have thought they'd be and I'm sure that the new instrument will get better and better as it's played in.
On another note, I am intrigued that you play 7/8 size instruments. Did Shafran play a smaller instrument, or am I imagining that? I've considered trying a slightly smaller instrument in the past, myself, but never have.
Thanks so much for sharing this - I enjoyed the comparison greatly.
Yes I can hear a difference ... The JB LeFebvre is superior .... It has as yet undefined under and overtones which will carry/project in the hall .... The other is very fine but doesn't have the layers, depth or focus .... Congratulations they are wonderful and you pose an interesting question .... Very Fine Cellist!
Thank you so much for your opinion! Indeed both are great. I am wondering the new one in a couple of years, probably a part II of this video will come! And if restrictions will be lighter, I can do it in concert hall, which is the best way to find out!
Excellent copy! For a brand new cello it already has everything, and will just grow and grow. Which instrument do you find easier to play? Perhaps you could also get a chance to play them both in a hall?
Thanks dear Aristide! The luthier will be so happy reading your comment! Very good question indeed! I find it still easier to play on my 1763, as I play it for a while already, and to get the tone and colours I want. Technically wise both are easy to play on. The new one will get mature by time, and our relationship will just grow, and the cello will respond. I wished back then I could make this in a concert hall! But these restrictions…There will be definitely a part II of this. Next year and in a a hall! 💪🏻
I am surprised how similar of a voice both instruments have and I think I was struck by this more than by anything else. Watching Glenn Fricker's guitar tone blind test videos, I would have loved a blind comparison between these two instruments to really see how easily people can identify which instrument is which. The Luther nailed the copy. WOW!
The new cello will break in significantly over the first year and it will continue to mature as you play it more. Personally, I'd always go with a new instrument but I'd like to think newer wood means greater durability and stability over time. Older instruments are more fragile and prone to failure, I believe. Just my opinion.
In your situation, I would probably record with the older instrument and travel with the new one. Store the old one at home where it is safe and baby it like it deserves.
Both sound very lovely; however, the 1763 has a depth in sound, which is expected given the age. I'm curious to listen to the 2021 model again to hear how much it has opened up since this video aired a few years ago.
Muito top😊😊😊
Obrigado!
Hola Ilia , los dos son instrumentos increíbles ,pero a mi particularmente me gusto mas el violonchelo antiguo construido por Jean -Baptiste Lefebvre, inclusive se te ve hasta mas cómodo a vos tocando con el ,,voy a comenzar a escucharte y seguirte ,,Saludos !!!
I mean, the old one sounds like an ensemble itself. What a magical thing. It's got so much going on. The overtones sound like a violin whereas the new one sounds like a viola and kinda covered. Not close. Almost like different instruments.
The second one sounds deeper and warmer. I like it better than the first one 😊
one hi from brazil :)
I made a blind test with a point system and the winner is Jean Baptiste! 😻😻😻The new cello is a very pleasant expirience, but the old cello "turn your soul in and out", I could feel the energi rising in a heart chakra that was almost a magic experience! Divine! It was a hard test! 👏👏👏👏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Wow! That was deep! 😃 I swear by reading your comment, you almost took me to another dimension! Great words! Glad you liked it! 😃
I definitely like the brightness of the newer model. When you make the second vid for a one year comparison, is it possible to try a different mic? I think this one is picking up little environment noises which could have the illusion of adding a brighter tone to such gorgeous instruments. Other than the mic, your playing is simply beautiful, rich, full, so much depth and expression. I want to listen to it for hours. I like the subtle pitch corrections on long notes as well. Question: are you using the same bow for both cellos or a different bow for each? Do you think a different or same bow would make a big difference? Thanks for allowing your fans to comment!
Both are amazing cellos, but I like the older better because it has more depth on the C and G strings.
Ótimo! Provavelmente tocará mais com o Vesper para amadurecer e abrir mais o som. Acredito que seja isso. Bravo! 👏👏👏
Obrigado! Sim! Ja que estou de volta no Brasil estou tocando no cello do Vesper! Mas que facilidade! Igual manteiga!
Both instruments are great!
Parabéns pela maravilhosa iniciativa!
Muito obrigado! Fico feliz que gostou!
You totally should have done a costume change, when playing the 1763 cello, into period correct clothing. Live it up! :D You are very talented, and played both wonderfully!
The old one is a tiny bit more warm, I think. But it could be a matter of more used strings. It is difficult to say though, as you play with such a stretched bow and pressure. The luthier did a fantastic job anyway.I'm not sure whether I would hear the differende in a single audition or not, at least in my hiifi home gear (I'd expect to have more chances in a live audition). Cheers!
Bravo !! Both were beautiful..A blind person could hear the tonal difference with the ancient instrument..however, the modern cello was very fine.
The bass of the new cello is more crisp and speaks with great resonance. The “a” string of the old cello is sweeter and smoother. So, what is the cost difference between them? And which will you play the most on? Depends on repertoire.
Great comparison, they both sounded amazing, especially in your hands :D Why do you choose to play a 7/8 cello though? :)
Wonderful. Both instruments were fabulous.
How much does the new Vesper cost.
I was curious about the price difference in the cellos.
Both sound great. I like the highs on the new one better.
Why do you chose 7/8? Dont they lose some power on low notes?
New one is brighter sound strong tone ......surprisingly ✨️ 💪 🙌
The maker of it will be very pleased to read that!
Good afternoon, dear Ilia, how are you?
I really liked the video, and what caught my attention was the size of your Cello, which is 7/8... I also have a Cello in this size, however, I've never seen someone playing one... it's more common than looks?
I would like to know if there are any particularities regarding sound, ergonomics, etc... and what led you to choose an instrument of this size.
Thank you very much in advance
Thank you!
Bruno
Both fantastic the 1763, is more rounded darker, and it is 200 years of experience spending.
Could u tell me what kind of Rosen u using.?
Both nice and excellent
The new one a little more brilliant but bass like a little spread in compairson with the old
Not easy with telephone and headphones to distinguish fully
I would like to hear the comparison again on both cellos after the new one has been played for the next 10 years.
Some old instruments are great, that doesn't mean being old makes any instrument good or any better.
Mine is from 1996, not new but not old at all. It doesnt follow all traditional proportions, has had a broken neck and got a new one, and a recently developed crack on the front that I had to fix.
Still, I love it, and even though I tried a bunch of very expensive cellos, I'm yet to find one I'd change it for.
Once Pieter Wispelwey tried my cello and I liked his sound better with mine! 😂 Forgot what he plays but it's 3 centuries old.
Mine is also brazilian, by Sandro Franceschini. It is his Op. 1, the first he made with "first class" wood and signed an author label. He doesnt make strad models anymore, just montagnana as far as I know.
Anyway, I got very lucky with it, bought cheap, probably will never sell 😊
You seem to have an easier time controlling the old cello - your bow changes are really smooth with that one, whereas you seem to have to work harder with the new one (of course you do very well with either). I like both instruments but I can definitely hear how they are different. I think I like the old one better, but that's just my personal preference (and I think the new one would get easier to play as time went on as well).
Sound the same to me through my iPad. J/k. Actually the old one was more resonant and notes had more clarity.
The old one has a mellower gentle sound, the high frequency components are less or more "round". It sounds more "beautiful." The new one is more brash with more highs and crispness, more exciting. If combined with violin the old one would probably compliment it more as a softness to balance the stridency of violin. But more energetic pieces or modern music might like the sharpness of the new one.
they are both beautiful cellos
They are indeed! 😀
I don’t think I’ve ever heard a more lovely cello.
Yes
Well, i am abolute not a pro, but I prefer the 2021 cello! A bit more softness in the high notes and string differences are more subtle! The old cello sounds nice, but more crisp om the A string which I dont like. And sounds to be for more projecting the sound. So I think you are going to play more on the 2021 model!