*Slight Addendum* : So I was wrong in that Cyrene was _not_ the sole survivor of Monarchia's destruction, but one of only a handful. My mistake. Also apologies if my voice sounds slightly off, I was dealing with a throat infection at the time. Also, turns out she turns up within the novel "Mortis". Bugger.
Or that the word bearers in particular had major insecurities. No surprise really, they are the product of a being with godlike powers who denies his godlike existence, told by their demigod leader that he is a god, arepunished by said god for generating him, try their best to inspire humanity only to be ignored an awful lot by others of their kind, the list goes on.
Word Bearers weren't the only ones who had something like this, to my not-so-vast knowladge, Kyril Sanderman (sorry if spelled wrong) the prime iterator assigned to Luna Wolfes/Sons of Horus served also a role very similar to confessor/psychologist for the Astartes. But Word bearers, in their fashion, took it to next step indeed
@@chaoslance4959 There is also all the Modern chapters. That's the main role that Chaplain's are for. Taking care of the mental health of their men as well as keeping an eye out for any that might be vulnerable to falling to Chaos, and either helping them away from that, or just getting them eliminated before they get the chance, depending
@@theemissary1313 It could also be their only way to express in defiance to their genetically superimposed loyalty to Lorgar Because I got a feeling that a lot of them knew what they were doing was wrong but they really couldn't do anything because they were bound to Lorgar's will And because Lorgar was the worst person to have ever lived right under Kor Phaeron and Erebus
@@razvanconstantin740 Not really. Lorgar was once a good man,and so were his men. Unfortunately, they both had the same flaw,which in turn was once their greatest strength:Conviction. Faith. Determination. If the Fall of Monarchia never happened, they would have been the Emperor's greatest enforcers after the Great Crusade. Because it happened, both Lorgar and his sons despised him with equal fervour,and were equally in need of a higher power. Both Kor and Erebus already had their beliefs previously, and they simply gave them their wish. Ironically, it's thought that the gods of Cholchis were actually the vanilla versions of the Chaos Gods,so,in a way, they returned to their original Faith.
Another possibility is that Cyrene is a Dark Council member, or is the only soul to be in the presence of Lorgar during his self imposed isolation after the events with Corax and Guilliman.
The Emperor at Monarchia: “Better a thousand innocents die, than to let a single religious man escape.” Not-Inquisitors: “You said it, My God-Emp- I mean, Man-Emperor!”
I could have sworn that the ultramarines evacuated the populace of Monarchia before blasting the city to pieces. Did they really destroy it with everyone in it?
@@nicholascerillo4000 no they did not. They caught the populace by surprise. Can’t remember what HH book it Is but the people are just going about their day
Cyrene is Kara Swole. She spent millennia being the carefree young woman she missed out on being, making a living as an acrobat, moving from planet to planet so as not to arouse suspicion and to see the galaxy. Over the years she started to come to terms with what the Emperor did at Monarchia and to see how evil the forces of Chaos were. Nine thousand years or so after the events of the Horus Heresy she feels like it's time to do something meaningful with her life and joins up with the Inquisition when the opportunity comes along. Being 10,000 years old she's still cynical and lukewarm about the Imperium and the Emperor, which is why she joins up with the WORST. INQUISITOR. EVER. Gregor "Perry Mason" Eisenhorn and then Gideon "Wheels" Ravenor.
The worst inquisitors? Eisenhorn and Ravenor were amongst the best, be it only because they are competent, but not sadist psychos with a hubris for petty power nor a zeal that confines to full-on counterproductive madness.
She was also pretty close to Kharne so that's a possibility though my gut tells me she's just the sort of thing Trayzn would love to add to his collection.
My head canon is that Cyrene and Argel Tal are, currently, hanging out with Sanguinius and Celestine in the Emperor's Palace in the Warp, feasting and drinking with them and their fallen captains, chapter masters, sisters superior, and cannonesses, while they watch the events of the galaxy unfold. As for the Cabal thing, she's probably dead.
Not sure what all this heretical talk is about here.. Why would there be a filthy demon-possessed traitor & his witch basking in the Emperor's glory after death? Like if you're a heretic, would make more sense having a head canon of them spending eternity in the pleasure gardens of Slaanesh or something.. Literally any other fate after death
2:19 Going off the account of the destruction of Monarchia as set out in _The First Heretic,_ the Smurfs gave the inhabitants of the city a week to evacuate before destroying it, so Cyrene was _not_ the sole survivor
Can you imagine that though? Big ass ship hovering above a city, blaring out "run now, city go boom in a week" The anxiety would be nuts! Towards the end of that week, I bet people were crapping themselves. That or, you know, they went to church and accepted their gods judgment? I guess? Come to think of it....... blowing up millions of people who are simultaneously worshipping you.. that's gotta create a pretty nasty echo in the warp, right? Is that when the miracles started? It'd be so ironic if, in smiting a world for worshipping him as a god, he solidified his place as a god to mankind.
@@40KTheories Um... she _did_ evacuate. From _The First Heretic:_ "AND SO DAWNED the seventh day [after the evacuation of Monarchia was ordered]. "The lightening sky found Cyrene Valantion standing atop a rise in the Galahe Foothills, her traditional dress hidden beneath a long jacket clutched tightly against the worsening autumn wind. Her hair blew free in a mane, and she watched the utterly silent, utterly still city to the east. In the last hours, burning blurs had floated upwards: each one a landing craft belonging to the XIII Legion, each one returning to the heavens now that their warriors’ work was done." It seems that Cyrene was the first survivor from Monarchia that was found by the Word Bearers when they came to Khur in response to the distress call sent out.
@@40KTheories I hope GW don't do the same with the Innari, or the Orks. They technically did that with Vulkan... By the way, Remleiz: I'm writing a comic with 40K, Fantasy and other franchises.
@@40KTheories maybe one day we’ll get a wacky little one-shot book about Trazyn’s stasis fields or whatever holding all these missing characters in his museum failing, and they all end up trying to do The Great Escape. That’d be some goofy shit that’d end up in necron book.
@@bobtilford4800 for a marine the medics have a tool that looks like a pistol but it does not launch a projectile it just shoots a bolt of metal forward a few inches, they use this to kill a badly wounded marine mercifully.
During the Novel Slaves to Darkness there was a cultist leader who spoke to Lliac during the novel eventually pushing him against Lorgar and warned Horus of Lorgar’s attempted coup. I have a feeling it was Cyrene mainly due to both characters providing council to important members of the Word Bearers and the cult leader did remind me of Cyrene. It’s never stated in the novel who the cultist actually was as she faked her identity when she first met Lliac in the novel.
My biggest issue with this theory is that Malcador supposedly selected the first 4 Inquisitors that stood in the throne room before The Emperor at the siege of Terra. If she had been a major advisor of the Word Bearers and a Chaos cultist why would Malcador choose her to be a loyal Inquisitor, especially since in the story so far she has no indication of redeeming herself to The Emperor's side?
She was not the only survivor, there were 7 others, but she was the only female that was young and good looking (it is implied she was an escort) She was not accidentally killed by the AC while getting out, they wanted to talk to her and kidnap her as a source of information
Orders the unnecessary destruction of the prosperous and peaceful world of Monarchia just because he wants to send a message against those he deems dissidents of his Empire, which only fuels outright rebellion and civil war against him... has the Emperor been taking lessons from Grand Moff Tarkin?
Honestly, I think a regular, human, confessor, might have been a good idea! They could be trusted with an Astartes secrets and give them counsel, where they'd be too afraid or prideful to talk to chaplain or other Astartes
I believe she influenced the word bearers who remained loyal and became the blood ravens in some way, even if she stayed chaos affiliated....and yes I believe the blood ravens are loyalist word bearers
@@flameknightplayz2939 Wouldn't say they're too psychic to be word bearers, but the psychic factor does sway the evidence heavily toward the thousand sons.
Despite her suffering at the hands of Chaos Cyrene still allowed herself to be regarded as an avatar of Chaos by the Word Bearers after her resurrection. I assume therefore that she was tortured into being a full-on Chaos worshipper and would be rejected by the Cabal.
Failbaddon the Armless asking a blindseer for help is hilarious! How many Black Crusades does it take for Failbaddon the Armless to reach Terra? OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!
What ever happened to Cyrene? Who knows? Though..she being morianna cannot be discarded due to appearance. She may well be projecting an illusion . Nothing is impossible in the warp. If your will is strong enough, there are no limits. Corax learned this and is using it to great effect.
Anyone else really annoyed by the stupidity displayed by The Emperor, the Ultramarines, and the Custodes in _The First Heretic_ ? The freakin' _Ultramarines_ break into a mindless bloody rampage because of a bit of civilian panic and outrage about the forced evacuation of Monarchia. The city needs to be evacuated within a week, but the Word Bearers won't arrive for another month, so why so short a timetable?
The First Heretic has the distinction of being one of my least favorite novels, with one of my favorite Emperor moments. I love the fact that Big E made Lorgar and the entire Word Bearers legion kneel with just one psychic word. On topic, a lot of characters in the book act weirdly different from their usual personalities. Especially Guilliman and the Emperor. We have Guilliman and the Uktramarines acting like World Eaters with twice the Butcher’s Nails and on meth, for no discernible reason. Monarchia had yielded to the imperium, the Word Bearers weren’t even there, yet the Ultramarines were disjointed and skittish against a bunch of civilians. I mean these people worshipped the Emperor. Had Guilliman said, “Dad wants you all to clear out of here,” they’d have done it.
Cyrene reappears in the Novel Mortis. She is in fact alive and is accompanied by "Alpharius" I wont say more to avoid spoilers but her story does continue...
@@40KTheories she isn’t officially called Cyrene, she is given the name Actae, but it’s made completely clear by surrounding information that it is, in fact, her. Still a great theories video none the less!
A theory I have that others might share... The Emperor wants Abaddon to get to him, When the Emperor fought that super powerful daemon guy who I forget but had to do with murder, he got stabbed the said daemon, and the daemon became a sword, a strangely ornate sword, that was then "given" to a Custodes for safe keeping, Abaddon would then have to fight through a literal fuck ton of daemons to get the sword, almost as if they didn't want him to have it, and ever since he got it he has "failed" just about every Black Crusade he started. My theory is that the Emperor could not destroy or kill the Murder-Daemon, but he could've "reprogrammed" it, by imbuing apart of himself into it. I believe that Abaddon has become an unwitting pawn for the Emperor, and should he reach and "slay" the Emperor, this is the part where I stretch things a little too much, the reprogrammed super powerful OP Murder-Daemon would instead rejuvenate the Emperor in a sense. With how the warp works, if enough people believe something to be true, than it becomes true, at least in the Warp, so with the uncountable population of humanity all believing that the Emperor is a God, he has essentially become one, whether he likes it or not, and with the final kick from failbaddon I believe he will achieve full God Status and give those Chaos boys a stern talking to. Fill in whatever gaps in logic I have with your own crazy spin I'm interested in seeing if this conversation goes anywhere.
Drachnyen Yes, he gave the sword to a loyal Custodes. Drachnyen himself also said.. "All the stars in the universe will go dark before a golden one (Custodes) betrays their father" So how did Abbadon gret Drachnyen, if a custodes would never betray the emperor? The God Emperor is playing 4D chess, while everyone else is playing Go Fish, you HAVE to assume he planned this, in some way shape or form... considering he allowed Drach'nyen to wound him as well as quenching him in the blood of his Custodes.
She could have become Celestine, the Living Saint. As the book ( by the Same Name) apparently mentions how "her earliest known form she was a citizen of Terra during the Horus Heresy. She was killed during the orbital bombardment of Terra during the Siege of the Emperor's Palace." while a bit of a stretch, but it could be possible that she somehow got the Terra after the destruction of the Fidelitas Lex. That along with her ability to have been "aware" of her soul/self while in the warp and the tortured by Demons, reminds me of "Celestine's Trials" that would lead to her resurrection. As for her Perpetual nature, as a Repentia she was able to heal her wounds fast enough that would have seemed "miraculous", However that might have been, in the end, "overwritten" by her ascension to Living Sainthood after entering the hidden crypt on Sanctus Lys and donning the Armour of Saint Katherine.
Hahahaha.. If only this video waited another year or so before being released (yeah, sound like the video itself decided to be released early I know), we could've had the entire answer of what became of her.. Then I guess the video would've been redundant then.. But oh well, still fun to watch & enjoy the speculations even though we now know.. And yeah, she did in fact become an extremely potent pysker.. Though I feel like she became far too powerful far too quickly. Perhaps the effects of having your soul shredded over & over again by the denizens of the warp
Can the sigilite. Malcador...had been working against the emperor? Not against humanity mind you. But against the emperor. He. Like, the emperor shown great interest in being helpful to humanity and being quite mercyless (like the emperor himself) but malcador did lots of things which... turned the emperium in what it is. The exact opposite of the place of reason and logic the emperor envisioned.
When Malcador was alive the imperium was very different and the Emperor wasint openly worshiped. Basically the emperor and Malcador were holding the imperium together and when the Horus heresy happen they were both taken out of the picture which led to everything falling apart very fast. From what we know they were totally loyal to each other because there goals lined up. My guess is almost dying wasint part of the emperors plan and him becoming worshiped is bound to happen if he isn't there to stop it.
Vows of the Black Templars: Suffer Not the Unclean to Live ☑️ Uphold the Honour of the Emperor☑️ Abhor the Witch. Destroy the Witch☑️ Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds☑️ Yep this is a Black Templar issue.
Are there any Perpetuals that have been corrupted by Chaos? So far I've not heard of a single Perpetual that has, so Cyrene couldn't be the Crone of that's true.
She died. Samus used he chaos eye hidden inside her to manifest a warp portal aboard the Phalanx, Dorn and the fists fought Samus and the daemons, but each time Samus was defeated by Dorn, he would possess the body of a fallen Astarte. She realised that as long as she lived, the daemons could not be stopped. She gave her final goodbye to Loken, and threw herself into the Phalanxes reactor shaft, killing her and closing the portal.
Such a Beautiful Humanistic Character to Represent The Contrast of Innocent Woman and Astartes Lots of Bad Lore; Fake Lore; Horrible Writing Most Important Lore to Remember: Survivor of Monarchia Argel Tal’s Cute Little Innocent Girlfriend Died to… Yeah, None of This Is Good Enough Custodian Had a Funni Moment and Accidentally Instakilled Her Veri Big “Uhoh” Then Deaded on Moment Maybe Even Reborn and ET- Nah, Just End It There, Bad Writing Perhaps You Could Ingeniously Write Valdor’s Centricy, The Anchorite and-orThe Primarch Mother into a Narrative of Valdor’s Centricy The New Wordbears Narrative Otherwise: Meh
*Slight Addendum* :
So I was wrong in that Cyrene was _not_ the sole survivor of Monarchia's destruction, but one of only a handful. My mistake.
Also apologies if my voice sounds slightly off, I was dealing with a throat infection at the time. Also, turns out she turns up within the novel "Mortis". Bugger.
You owned up to your mistake and that’s what counts. Great content as always.
Who were the other survivors of Monarchia, anyone of note or interest?
I believe that there were at least six others taken into Word Bearers custody, but I don't think any of them were named.
@@40KTheories Thank you for the response, been a viewer and admirer of your work for a few years now. What is an Meric? lol
I understood what you meant.
I think this in a way proves marines are still human when they literally have a confessor to just let it all out
Or that the word bearers in particular had major insecurities. No surprise really, they are the product of a being with godlike powers who denies his godlike existence, told by their demigod leader that he is a god, arepunished by said god for generating him, try their best to inspire humanity only to be ignored an awful lot by others of their kind, the list goes on.
Word Bearers weren't the only ones who had something like this, to my not-so-vast knowladge, Kyril Sanderman (sorry if spelled wrong) the prime iterator assigned to Luna Wolfes/Sons of Horus served also a role very similar to confessor/psychologist for the Astartes. But Word bearers, in their fashion, took it to next step indeed
@@chaoslance4959 There is also all the Modern chapters.
That's the main role that Chaplain's are for. Taking care of the mental health of their men as well as keeping an eye out for any that might be vulnerable to falling to Chaos, and either helping them away from that, or just getting them eliminated before they get the chance, depending
@@theemissary1313
It could also be their only way to express in defiance to their genetically superimposed loyalty to Lorgar
Because I got a feeling that a lot of them knew what they were doing was wrong but they really couldn't do anything because they were bound to Lorgar's will
And because Lorgar was the worst person to have ever lived right under Kor Phaeron and Erebus
@@razvanconstantin740 Not really. Lorgar was once a good man,and so were his men. Unfortunately, they both had the same flaw,which in turn was once their greatest strength:Conviction. Faith. Determination. If the Fall of Monarchia never happened, they would have been the Emperor's greatest enforcers after the Great Crusade. Because it happened, both Lorgar and his sons despised him with equal fervour,and were equally in need of a higher power. Both Kor and Erebus already had their beliefs previously, and they simply gave them their wish. Ironically, it's thought that the gods of Cholchis were actually the vanilla versions of the Chaos Gods,so,in a way, they returned to their original Faith.
Another possibility is that Cyrene is a Dark Council member, or is the only soul to be in the presence of Lorgar during his self imposed isolation after the events with Corax and Guilliman.
The Emperor at Monarchia: “Better a thousand innocents die, than to let a single religious man escape.”
Not-Inquisitors: “You said it, My God-Emp- I mean, Man-Emperor!”
I could have sworn that the ultramarines evacuated the populace of Monarchia before blasting the city to pieces. Did they really destroy it with everyone in it?
@@nicholascerillo4000 They evacuated but maybe she wasn't willing to leave the perfect city and beliefed that the Emperor would protect her
@@nicholascerillo4000 no they did not. They caught the populace by surprise. Can’t remember what HH book it Is but the people are just going about their day
Benjamin Horstman Damn, that’s pretty harsh coming from the Ultramarines. But there are no good guys in WH40k
@@nicholascerillo4000 except the thousand sons
Cyrene is Kara Swole. She spent millennia being the carefree young woman she missed out on being, making a living as an acrobat, moving from planet to planet so as not to arouse suspicion and to see the galaxy.
Over the years she started to come to terms with what the Emperor did at Monarchia and to see how evil the forces of Chaos were. Nine thousand years or so after the events of the Horus Heresy she feels like it's time to do something meaningful with her life and joins up with the Inquisition when the opportunity comes along. Being 10,000 years old she's still cynical and lukewarm about the Imperium and the Emperor, which is why she joins up with the WORST. INQUISITOR. EVER. Gregor "Perry Mason" Eisenhorn and then Gideon "Wheels" Ravenor.
She also gets cancer
The worst inquisitors? Eisenhorn and Ravenor were amongst the best, be it only because they are competent, but not sadist psychos with a hubris for petty power nor a zeal that confines to full-on counterproductive madness.
I think that in a few years time, this question will be asked at a black library open day and the response will be " Shit, forgot about her!"
Such is the state of warhammer lore.
She was also pretty close to Kharne so that's a possibility though my gut tells me she's just the sort of thing Trayzn would love to add to his collection.
Being friends with argel and kharn would be fun
My head canon is that Cyrene and Argel Tal are, currently, hanging out with Sanguinius and Celestine in the Emperor's Palace in the Warp, feasting and drinking with them and their fallen captains, chapter masters, sisters superior, and cannonesses, while they watch the events of the galaxy unfold. As for the Cabal thing, she's probably dead.
Cooking steaks with the flames coming off of the Legion of the Damned. "Hold still Fire Hawk!"
@@Just-J-10 Haha, that's funny
Not sure what all this heretical talk is about here.. Why would there be a filthy demon-possessed traitor & his witch basking in the Emperor's glory after death?
Like if you're a heretic, would make more sense having a head canon of them spending eternity in the pleasure gardens of Slaanesh or something.. Literally any other fate after death
Cool another crazy lady that some Chaos boys like. My favorite one is the World Eater's ship captain
She likes my long hard
sword alot too
Lotara Sarin
I can’t fire my Bolter with only one hand
My other hand is on the book of lorgar
@@malekiththeeternityking5433 child
Yes! I remember her! I wonder whatever became of her in the 40K lore?
2:19 Going off the account of the destruction of Monarchia as set out in _The First Heretic,_ the Smurfs gave the inhabitants of the city a week to evacuate before destroying it, so Cyrene was _not_ the sole survivor
Sorry, should have been more specific.
She was one of the few survivors that _did not_ evacuate.
Can you imagine that though?
Big ass ship hovering above a city, blaring out "run now, city go boom in a week"
The anxiety would be nuts! Towards the end of that week, I bet people were crapping themselves.
That or, you know, they went to church and accepted their gods judgment? I guess?
Come to think of it....... blowing up millions of people who are simultaneously worshipping you.. that's gotta create a pretty nasty echo in the warp, right? Is that when the miracles started? It'd be so ironic if, in smiting a world for worshipping him as a god, he solidified his place as a god to mankind.
@@40KTheories Um... she _did_ evacuate. From _The First Heretic:_
"AND SO DAWNED the seventh day [after the evacuation of Monarchia was ordered].
"The lightening sky found Cyrene Valantion standing atop a rise in the Galahe Foothills, her traditional dress hidden beneath a long jacket clutched tightly against the worsening autumn wind. Her hair blew free in a mane, and she watched the utterly silent, utterly still city to the east. In the last hours, burning blurs had floated upwards: each one a landing craft belonging to the XIII Legion, each one returning to the heavens now that their warriors’ work was done."
It seems that Cyrene was the first survivor from Monarchia that was found by the Word Bearers when they came to Khur in response to the distress call sent out.
@@Smeghead76Bro, stop correcting him already… lol…
I think she ended up in Trazyn the Infinite's shenanigans.
Sadly that's an actual possibility for any notable character who vanishes lol
@@40KTheories I hope GW don't do the same with the Innari, or the Orks. They technically did that with Vulkan...
By the way, Remleiz: I'm writing a comic with 40K, Fantasy and other franchises.
@Diego Marra in another universe. Unfortunately.
@@40KTheories Hahaha. Imagine Necrons try to get an alliance with the Imperium and are paying Trazyn a visit to see if they can bring any gifts XD
@@40KTheories maybe one day we’ll get a wacky little one-shot book about Trazyn’s stasis fields or whatever holding all these missing characters in his museum failing, and they all end up trying to do The Great Escape.
That’d be some goofy shit that’d end up in necron book.
She was given the emperor’s blessing.
For a second I thought you meant the emperor's peace lol
@@bkingk8 that's what I thought too.
@@bkingk8 I did but you've given me a better joke ;)
A bolter round to the skull?
@@bobtilford4800 for a marine the medics have a tool that looks like a pistol but it does not launch a projectile it just shoots a bolt of metal forward a few inches, they use this to kill a badly wounded marine mercifully.
The Blood ravens acquired her
They named a planet after her.
@@automatics1im Could be Cyrus' grandma too.
"Unclaimed treasure"
More like they were "gifted" her.
This made me laugh lol
Underrated comment right here.
During the Novel Slaves to Darkness there was a cultist leader who spoke to Lliac during the novel eventually pushing him against Lorgar and warned Horus of Lorgar’s attempted coup. I have a feeling it was Cyrene mainly due to both characters providing council to important members of the Word Bearers and the cult leader did remind me of Cyrene. It’s never stated in the novel who the cultist actually was as she faked her identity when she first met Lliac in the novel.
Amazing video! I read the first heretic and got obsessed with the word bearers for some time, so it's nice to learn more about Cyrene
I don't know lord inquisitor. But that seems strange to know about her fate...
My heresy forehead is itching. WHERE IS MY EXTERMINATUS BUTTON!
My biggest issue with this theory is that Malcador supposedly selected the first 4 Inquisitors that stood in the throne room before The Emperor at the siege of Terra. If she had been a major advisor of the Word Bearers and a Chaos cultist why would Malcador choose her to be a loyal Inquisitor, especially since in the story so far she has no indication of redeeming herself to The Emperor's side?
I do bring up how the possibility of Cyrene being Moriana is in itself incredibly slim.
She was not the only survivor, there were 7 others, but she was the only female that was young and good looking (it is implied she was an escort)
She was not accidentally killed by the AC while getting out, they wanted to talk to her and kidnap her as a source of information
Whoops, looks like you are correct about Cyrene not being the sole survivor. In which case, my mistake! (Made a pinned comment addressing this)
Orders the unnecessary destruction of the prosperous and peaceful world of Monarchia just because he wants to send a message against those he deems dissidents of his Empire, which only fuels outright rebellion and civil war against him... has the Emperor been taking lessons from Grand Moff Tarkin?
Yay my painting!!!
I made sure to put a link to your deviantart in the description :)
Word Bearers be like "CYRENE LIVES!" *STOMP STOMP*
She's fine with me. Oh btwMe and Mirael we're wondering if we should start an onlyfans what are your suggestions
slaaneshi stuff
Phonecian phallic
no.
I don't like where this is going
No and go back to the warp
Last time I was this early there weren't Sanguinalia in calendar yet
I've Never opened my codex astartes as fast before!
Honestly, I think a regular, human, confessor, might have been a good idea!
They could be trusted with an Astartes secrets and give them counsel, where they'd be too afraid or prideful to talk to chaplain or other Astartes
Or she has been taken captive by Trayzan the infinite as part of his diorama collections.
I believe she influenced the word bearers who remained loyal and became the blood ravens in some way, even if she stayed chaos affiliated....and yes I believe the blood ravens are loyalist word bearers
What makes you say that?
This is the first time I've heard about the blood ravens being word bearers.
The blood ravens are too psychic to be word bearers.
@@flameknightplayz2939 Wouldn't say they're too psychic to be word bearers, but the psychic factor does sway the evidence heavily toward the thousand sons.
@@BarbaPower91 there is no way they can be thousand sons. the flesh change is one issue and even if not, there is the rubric which affects all TS.
@@Sone01TheFirst there are actually a lot of similarities, including the fact that they share the same gene flaw
Despite her suffering at the hands of Chaos Cyrene still allowed herself to be regarded as an avatar of Chaos by the Word Bearers after her resurrection. I assume therefore that she was tortured into being a full-on Chaos worshipper and would be rejected by the Cabal.
Failbaddon the Armless asking a blindseer for help is hilarious! How many Black Crusades does it take for Failbaddon the Armless to reach Terra? OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!
What the fuck are you talking about
Each “failed” crusade achieved its goals.... they are all leading to a critical point
You are a majorkill subscriber correct? That's why you day failbaddon correct?
As long as he gets there eventually, he wins. Chaos boys can afford to be patient.
I understand the failbaddon name, but how did he get the title 'the armless'?
I thought cyrene "was my home"
Are you a Blood Raven, per chance?
@@40KTheories I am captain Gabriel Angelo's and I consider my chapterhood false since dow3 in not fucking canon !!!!!
@@40KTheories jokes aside can u do some vids on general Sturn or dawn of war
@@40KTheories cries in bith cyrene and cadia
Hey can you please let the text stand longer is hard to read it in 10 seconds thanks
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I like to think she’s a Canoness in the Sisters of Battle.
What ever happened to Cyrene? Who knows? Though..she being morianna cannot be discarded due to appearance. She may well be projecting an illusion .
Nothing is impossible in the warp. If your will is strong enough, there are no limits.
Corax learned this and is using it to great effect.
Anyone else really annoyed by the stupidity displayed by The Emperor, the Ultramarines, and the Custodes in _The First Heretic_ ?
The freakin' _Ultramarines_ break into a mindless bloody rampage because of a bit of civilian panic and outrage about the forced evacuation of Monarchia. The city needs to be evacuated within a week, but the Word Bearers won't arrive for another month, so why so short a timetable?
Mmm, no, I'm not annoyed. The Ultramarines had other engagements, no doubt. They were, after all, an extremely busy Legion.
The First Heretic has the distinction of being one of my least favorite novels, with one of my favorite Emperor moments. I love the fact that Big E made Lorgar and the entire Word Bearers legion kneel with just one psychic word.
On topic, a lot of characters in the book act weirdly different from their usual personalities. Especially Guilliman and the Emperor. We have Guilliman and the Uktramarines acting like World Eaters with twice the Butcher’s Nails and on meth, for no discernible reason. Monarchia had yielded to the imperium, the Word Bearers weren’t even there, yet the Ultramarines were disjointed and skittish against a bunch of civilians. I mean these people worshipped the Emperor. Had Guilliman said, “Dad wants you all to clear out of here,” they’d have done it.
Cyrene reappears in the Novel Mortis. She is in fact alive and is accompanied by "Alpharius" I wont say more to avoid spoilers but her story does continue...
...bugger xD
@@40KTheories she isn’t officially called Cyrene, she is given the name Actae, but it’s made completely clear by surrounding information that it is, in fact, her. Still a great theories video none the less!
A theory I have that others might share... The Emperor wants Abaddon to get to him, When the Emperor fought that super powerful daemon guy who I forget but had to do with murder, he got stabbed the said daemon, and the daemon became a sword, a strangely ornate sword, that was then "given" to a Custodes for safe keeping, Abaddon would then have to fight through a literal fuck ton of daemons to get the sword, almost as if they didn't want him to have it, and ever since he got it he has "failed" just about every Black Crusade he started. My theory is that the Emperor could not destroy or kill the Murder-Daemon, but he could've "reprogrammed" it, by imbuing apart of himself into it. I believe that Abaddon has become an unwitting pawn for the Emperor, and should he reach and "slay" the Emperor, this is the part where I stretch things a little too much, the reprogrammed super powerful OP Murder-Daemon would instead rejuvenate the Emperor in a sense. With how the warp works, if enough people believe something to be true, than it becomes true, at least in the Warp, so with the uncountable population of humanity all believing that the Emperor is a God, he has essentially become one, whether he likes it or not, and with the final kick from failbaddon I believe he will achieve full God Status and give those Chaos boys a stern talking to. Fill in whatever gaps in logic I have with your own crazy spin I'm interested in seeing if this conversation goes anywhere.
Drachnyen
Yes, he gave the sword to a loyal Custodes.
Drachnyen himself also said.. "All the stars in the universe will go dark before a golden one (Custodes) betrays their father"
So how did Abbadon gret Drachnyen, if a custodes would never betray the emperor?
The God Emperor is playing 4D chess, while everyone else is playing Go Fish, you HAVE to assume he planned this, in some way shape or form... considering he allowed Drach'nyen to wound him as well as quenching him in the blood of his Custodes.
_"God was real... and he hated us."_
Other than walking abomination Spear, are there any instances of Chaos using Blanks? And if they have no souls, why do they fight for the Emperor?
She is alpharius.
No now fuck off with that shit
We are all Alpharius
@@ufos15630 This guy is clearly Alpharius trying fool people into believing he didn't disguise himself as Cyrene Valention in the HH. Don't be fooled!
@@jjvagnar1 hush brother
@@ufos15630 Thats what alpharius wants you to think
Fun fact Monarchia is the Greek word for monarchy
She could have become Celestine, the Living Saint. As the book ( by the Same Name) apparently mentions how "her earliest known form she was a citizen of Terra during the Horus Heresy. She was killed during the orbital bombardment of Terra during the Siege of the Emperor's Palace." while a bit of a stretch, but it could be possible that she somehow got the Terra after the destruction of the Fidelitas Lex.
That along with her ability to have been "aware" of her soul/self while in the warp and the tortured by Demons, reminds me of "Celestine's Trials" that would lead to her resurrection.
As for her Perpetual nature, as a Repentia she was able to heal her wounds fast enough that would have seemed "miraculous", However that might have been, in the end, "overwritten" by her ascension to Living Sainthood after entering the hidden crypt on Sanctus Lys and donning the Armour of Saint Katherine.
Oh Living Saints are a whole other kettle of fish, but it is nonetheless an interesting idea.
Hahahaha.. If only this video waited another year or so before being released (yeah, sound like the video itself decided to be released early I know), we could've had the entire answer of what became of her.. Then I guess the video would've been redundant then.. But oh well, still fun to watch & enjoy the speculations even though we now know..
And yeah, she did in fact become an extremely potent pysker.. Though I feel like she became far too powerful far too quickly. Perhaps the effects of having your soul shredded over & over again by the denizens of the warp
Make that four years instead of one, since we uploaded this in 2020 lol
Can the sigilite. Malcador...had been working against the emperor? Not against humanity mind you. But against the emperor.
He. Like, the emperor shown great interest in being helpful to humanity and being quite mercyless (like the emperor himself) but malcador did lots of things which... turned the emperium in what it is. The exact opposite of the place of reason and logic the emperor envisioned.
When Malcador was alive the imperium was very different and the Emperor wasint openly worshiped. Basically the emperor and Malcador were holding the imperium together and when the Horus heresy happen they were both taken out of the picture which led to everything falling apart very fast. From what we know they were totally loyal to each other because there goals lined up. My guess is almost dying wasint part of the emperors plan and him becoming worshiped is bound to happen if he isn't there to stop it.
Hey what books were Cyrene in post First Hetetics?
Betrayer
Vows of the Black Templars:
Suffer Not the Unclean to Live ☑️
Uphold the Honour of the Emperor☑️
Abhor the Witch. Destroy the Witch☑️
Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds☑️
Yep this is a Black Templar issue.
Obligatory comment for the UA-cam Algorithm gods
What if Vulkan led the Imperium after the War of the Beast?
The imperuim of hugs and humanity and tau are friends
Being a serf on a WB ship and having the balls to steal her bones is crazy, like, need a wheelbarrow to carry them levels of balls 🤯😅
I haven't even watched the video yet but she's Moriana! Take that!
Damon Prytanis is an Orlock Ganger?
No, but there's no art so I thought it'd make a decent visual substitute, seeing as he's more the "gunsligner" type xD
dusky will love that~
Are there any Perpetuals that have been corrupted by Chaos? So far I've not heard of a single Perpetual that has, so Cyrene couldn't be the Crone of that's true.
And you're a perpetual now, and you're a perpetual now, EVERYBODY IS A PERPETUAL NOW! Especially Ciaphas Cain
When you dump all your skill points on luck
And 3 years later we have near confirmation
What happened to Mersadie Oliton
She died.
Samus used he chaos eye hidden inside her to manifest a warp portal aboard the Phalanx, Dorn and the fists fought Samus and the daemons, but each time Samus was defeated by Dorn, he would possess the body of a fallen Astarte.
She realised that as long as she lived, the daemons could not be stopped. She gave her final goodbye to Loken, and threw herself into the Phalanxes reactor shaft, killing her and closing the portal.
@@Jagrofes in what book GW killed. Her. Because of that audiobook youtuber
Yeah I thought you meant the person on YouPuke putting out audio books, I suppose GW killed them both!
If I remember rightly, you may have mis pronounced her name slightly
Simple, she just used plot stealth suits made by the tau and merged in mechanius technology.
Perpetuals were a huge mistake in the lore
This video might need an update
Oh it does lol
Something wrong dude? Your voice seems seriously off your normal kilter.
He's probably got a cold or something
Sounds normal to me.
I was in the midst of dealing with a throat infection at the time. I tried as hard as I can to sound as I normally do lol
@@40KTheories F, get well soon!
@@40KTheories I'll send you Fabius to get you healed up😘
I think this was good
Most likely ship explodes Perpetual meat popsicle.
Huh imterrsting, I didnt know people who arent psychers can still do magick, but I gues when thats the case its the chaos gods doing all the work.
She became saint celestine
WHAT HERESY IS THIS?!?
The Emperor was trash from the beginning.
Maybe his lies and deciet were for good reason, then again maybe not....?
The Kabbal
5:47 she is beautiful
A cur from Curr, how quaint.
Such a Beautiful Humanistic Character to Represent The Contrast of Innocent Woman and Astartes
Lots of Bad Lore; Fake Lore; Horrible Writing
Most Important Lore to Remember:
Survivor of Monarchia
Argel Tal’s Cute Little Innocent Girlfriend
Died to… Yeah, None of This Is Good Enough
Custodian Had a Funni Moment and Accidentally Instakilled Her
Veri Big “Uhoh” Then Deaded on Moment
Maybe Even Reborn and ET-
Nah, Just End It There, Bad Writing
Perhaps You Could Ingeniously Write Valdor’s Centricy, The Anchorite and-orThe Primarch Mother into a Narrative of Valdor’s Centricy
The New Wordbears Narrative
Otherwise: Meh
Meooow
Like damn tho she bad
Is this that blind chick?
OK, I;ll be *that* asshole and ask *that* question: what happened with you accenting some words weird especially ath the ends of sentences?