How Much Muscle Can You Gain Natty Vs. Enhanced | IFBB Pro Steroid Dosages | ft. Jeff Nippard

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  • @WhyName
    @WhyName 9 місяців тому +3550

    Quite possibly the most algorithmic colab of all time.
    Great video Derek.

    • @jacobramirez4894
      @jacobramirez4894 9 місяців тому +72

      Super physiological amounts of algorithm

    • @deadlyactive
      @deadlyactive 9 місяців тому +24

      Anabolic algo

    • @KF9000
      @KF9000 9 місяців тому

      😂

    • @Damiancates12
      @Damiancates12 9 місяців тому +2

      sam sulek next then

    • @somewheredec
      @somewheredec 9 місяців тому +2

      This is the "good" part of the internet.

  • @jopo7996
    @jopo7996 9 місяців тому +2325

    Just stay natty like Mike O'Hearn kids.

  • @tinybatmanname9476
    @tinybatmanname9476 9 місяців тому +2221

    A convo between two guys that don’t know us but have helped us all out.
    Solid.

    • @mikolajakubiec666
      @mikolajakubiec666 9 місяців тому +24

      These kinds of videos are not useful to anyone whatsoever. It's just entertainment. If you're natural the only thing that's gonna happen is getting blackpilled because of the "natural limit" that Jeff is pushing for some reason. These last videos are truly a disapointment from Jeff.

    • @UnhumanNewman
      @UnhumanNewman 9 місяців тому

      @@Bertone4884It was already happening, this guy just brought it to light and giving people a way to not just “blast and cruise” but teaching them to take care of blood work as well

    • @UnhumanNewman
      @UnhumanNewman 9 місяців тому +19

      @@mikolajakubiec666I think it’s pretty useful information, especially with many top guys trying to spew the bs if “steroids don’t really help all that much”

    • @mikolajakubiec666
      @mikolajakubiec666 9 місяців тому +4

      @@UnhumanNewman yeah that I somewhat agree with, however even then, how exactly does that impact your life as a natural lifter? I personally don't really care how much do steroids do because I'm not interested in doing them whatsoever. Instead of "informing" people about how big of a differnece they make (which actually might convince some people to jump on them - it's still the fault of the person jumping on, people who decide to do drugs are repsonsible for themselves, but still), just either don't talk about them or inform about their dangers and effects in an objective manner. There certainly are people who believe that you can "use them safely" but I don't think there's anyone who thinks that they don't work in terms of muscle growth.
      P. S. There's no natural limit.

    • @chrism5126
      @chrism5126 9 місяців тому

      ​@mikolajakubiec666 no natural limit?

  • @NeerujSethi
    @NeerujSethi 9 місяців тому +1220

    We need more minds like this coming together in the fitness industry

    • @Kez1a1
      @Kez1a1 9 місяців тому +6

      Being musclebound does not mean you are "fit".

    • @malcolmthompson9555
      @malcolmthompson9555 9 місяців тому

      Strong minds*

    • @alanjohnson6169
      @alanjohnson6169 9 місяців тому +4

      Jeff lost credibility when he said Cbum was natty at 19 😂 if you watch Derek’s face it speaks all the words you need to know.

    • @NeerujSethi
      @NeerujSethi 9 місяців тому +6

      @@alanjohnson6169 how does Jeff lose credibility? He said he doesn’t know anything about peds

    • @stj8614
      @stj8614 9 місяців тому +1

      I miss the way Derek and Leo used to bounce off each other. Gives me those vibes great video.

  • @eshoosca
    @eshoosca 9 місяців тому +451

    The collab we’ve all been waiting for

    • @joev7452
      @joev7452 9 місяців тому +3

      We have?

    • @jacobramirez4894
      @jacobramirez4894 9 місяців тому +1

      Amén

    • @eshoosca
      @eshoosca 9 місяців тому +6

      @@joev7452 idk

    • @fallonchapple7067
      @fallonchapple7067 9 місяців тому +10

      I have bro I have, they both seem like they are wise about it fr

    • @juandirection8820
      @juandirection8820 9 місяців тому

      Nah Nippard has decent content but he's a commie weirdo. Dude legit tried to prove "racism" with studies, makes it hard to trust his fitness content considering how bs that was. Far from the worst in the fitness industry, but not in Derek's level

  • @godemperorofmankind3578
    @godemperorofmankind3578 9 місяців тому +252

    Jeff Nippard is preparing to blast

    • @mihairuja1113
      @mihairuja1113 9 місяців тому +5

      Again?

    • @Johnredcorn713
      @Johnredcorn713 8 місяців тому +9

      He’s been blasting

    • @jacksonswinkle3283
      @jacksonswinkle3283 8 місяців тому +30

      ⁠@@Johnredcorn713bro he’s like 5’4 lol he’s def natty

    • @padraig88
      @padraig88 8 місяців тому +10

      He for sure knows more than he lets out

    • @clownworld4655
      @clownworld4655 7 місяців тому +20

      ⁠@@jacksonswinkle3283yea if he wasn’t a turbo manlet I wouldn’t even entertain the idea that he’s natty. Speaking from experience as a 5’7 guy I’ve had people claim I juiced and I’m not even crazy shredded

  • @DemonSquelcher
    @DemonSquelcher 9 місяців тому +304

    Derek and Jeff truly are two of the most legit, trustworthy minds in the cesspool minefield that can be fitness social media. Seeing them come together like this is an absolutely legendary collab moment.

    • @MrJason005
      @MrJason005 9 місяців тому +7

      Don't forget Alan Thrall too

    • @DemonSquelcher
      @DemonSquelcher 9 місяців тому

      @@MrJason005 I completely agree! That dude is a Powerlifting insight God!!

    • @mrw9216
      @mrw9216 8 місяців тому +3

      Besides the fact Jeff thinks his audience is too stupid to know the difference between fat free mass and muscle so was falsely quoting a study.

    • @MrJason005
      @MrJason005 8 місяців тому +6

      @@mrw9216 do you have more details about that? can you link to the video and timestamp where he said that and falsely quoted a study?

    • @mrw9216
      @mrw9216 8 місяців тому +1

      @@MrJason005 The video he was talking about how much muscle you can build enhanced vs natural. Kept saying a study was referring to “muscle” when it was talking about “fat free mass”. Continuing to perpetuate the myth steroids grow muscle without stimulus. All he did was correct himself in a comment and basically said his audience was too stupid to understand the difference. Which also means if they’re too stupid to understand that, then they for sure aren’t reading that comment.

  • @chilwil1990
    @chilwil1990 9 місяців тому +315

    It sounds like Jeff is asking about this for a "friend" but its really for himself lol.

    • @socrates2788
      @socrates2788 9 місяців тому +9

      Yes it does.

    • @NicholasDraughn
      @NicholasDraughn 9 місяців тому +24

      Exactly what I thought. Man might as well have been taking notes 😂

    • @sw-gz9ps
      @sw-gz9ps 9 місяців тому +61

      it was for his video lol

    • @SSJGohan2000YT
      @SSJGohan2000YT 9 місяців тому

      @@sw-gz9ps ^^^ yup exactly this. He made a video about 1-2 months ago on how much muscle you can put on with and without steroids.

    • @AlexHendershot
      @AlexHendershot 9 місяців тому +27

      It was for a video he already put out

  • @cartenmcliam
    @cartenmcliam 9 місяців тому +108

    Derek: 'it depends on the context'
    Jeff: 'grins insanely'

  • @mattepton5731
    @mattepton5731 9 місяців тому +180

    Great to see you back two days in a row Derek ! I’ve been a fan of Jeff and subscribed to his channel for quite sometime and am thrilled to see this collaboration. Hope you both have a great day today and thank you for your thorough research and dedication to providing accurate and optimal health, wellness and performance information.

  • @Tyler0789
    @Tyler0789 9 місяців тому +341

    Went from 340 to 240 in the past 5 months. Cut out alcohol, started fasting, started keto, started elliptical .. then running. Started lifting with my son. Thank you for the awesome content Derek, I know this channel isn't necessarily geared towards weight loss, but your appreciation of and focus on health helped push me in a healthy direction. With that being said .. how fat should I not be before I eat my first trenboloney sammich? Daddy's got a lot of loose skin to fill out.

    • @Ubiquitous718
      @Ubiquitous718 9 місяців тому +41

      Im no expert and you do not have to consider this advice in the slightest if it doesn't suit you, mind you your entire hormone profile will be on the line. But get down low, because body fat tissue is most active in aromatase. Dont start with Tren, just Test E.

    • @dragonrobotdj192
      @dragonrobotdj192 9 місяців тому +5

      180-200 pounds

    • @connordougherty3477
      @connordougherty3477 9 місяців тому +58

      please dont take tren, just start with low dose test then if you take it well slowly move up and add along the way. (following safe ammounts getting tests routinely)

    • @scarletsletter4466
      @scarletsletter4466 9 місяців тому +29

      Congrats on your weight loss! That skin will snap back too, & it helps to supplement with fish oil, CoQ10, multivitamin, D, etc. If you’re truly having trouble building muscle, please just go to a physician & get TRT. Please don’t take tren or gear you buy in a gym.

    • @mitchweber7868
      @mitchweber7868 9 місяців тому

      Check out the small UA-cam channel "anabolic bodybuilding" on UA-cam, paul is a pretty big guy, 49 years old, and had some loose skin from when he stopped going to the gym, and got fat. He had surgery to get it tucked but said he regrets it, because there's just weird lines everywhere. So having a tiny bit of loose skin is not going to be the end of the world if you're 220+ and have a good amount of muscle.

  • @matthewreist6530
    @matthewreist6530 9 місяців тому +26

    Batman meets Superman right here

  • @knappieboy
    @knappieboy 9 місяців тому +91

    Niiiice! i love jeffs minimalist workout videos as someone who doesnt want to gymrat anymore but wants to have an above average looking body.

    • @UnhumanNewman
      @UnhumanNewman 9 місяців тому +10

      Working hard and not over eating is the simple route to the “looking good naked” route which I would argue is what the overwhelming majority of people should strive for. I watch a lot of Mike Isratel and while I love the info, it doesn’t really speak to me since I’m not looking to be a body builder

    • @Eysc
      @Eysc 9 місяців тому +7

      go for mentzer rules

  • @Apeman_Actual
    @Apeman_Actual 9 місяців тому +138

    J-Nipp was taking some serious notes we might see him blowing up in the 6months 😂💪💪💪
    In all seriousness, awesome episode. I’d love to see you two do longer form content together. 2 of my favorite creators!

    • @mitchellavard
      @mitchellavard 9 місяців тому +8

      J nip 😂😂

    • @estack925
      @estack925 8 місяців тому

      then he’ll be j-nip gyno

  • @JordanKenworthy
    @JordanKenworthy 9 місяців тому +98

    This is the first, and most clear cut layout of different levels of cycles.
    Thank you mpmd

    • @asddasdasdasdadsa
      @asddasdasdasdadsa 9 місяців тому

      To be fair that's for average to bad genetics, there are outliers who are just ridiculous and they can get away with really little tren some only take 300 and got to ifb Status some probably took nothing and looked like they are in stuff young cbum or Ronny Coleman.

    • @RyeCA
      @RyeCA 9 місяців тому +2

      ​@@asddasdasdasdadsaof course, there will always be outliers

    • @mikolajakubiec666
      @mikolajakubiec666 9 місяців тому

      ​@@asddasdasdasdadsawell there are even natural IFBB pros

    • @bz2376
      @bz2376 9 місяців тому +2

      @@mikolajakubiec666maybe a handful ever, most are lying

    • @mauroantoniocruz3807
      @mauroantoniocruz3807 9 місяців тому

      @@asddasdasdasdadsaSomeone that will be willing to take tren, has and does take grams of other shit for sure though.

  • @jgoldian47
    @jgoldian47 9 місяців тому +64

    My man is back to uploading more YAY.
    Lets go Derek! FYI - Your New Electrolyte packs are awesome

  • @alexandermason3845
    @alexandermason3845 9 місяців тому +35

    It would be great to see some more of the two of you. I've found you guys have some of the best non click bait material that's actually been helpful for lifting.

  • @brooksjenkins7851
    @brooksjenkins7851 9 місяців тому +51

    This will be a legendary video for years to come. So well seats from the two informed points of view 🙏🏼thank you guys

  • @ActivEthan
    @ActivEthan 9 місяців тому +102

    Dude this is such an awesome collab, thank both of you guys for making this happen.

  • @grahamvandyke
    @grahamvandyke 9 місяців тому +16

    This is by far the best video breaking down the basic information I always knew I needed about natty vs enhanced. I feel like I finally have a basic grasp on this stuff.

  • @marcrutzou6866
    @marcrutzou6866 9 місяців тому +116

    I've seen a lot of sketchy height increasing routines targeted towards desperate teenagers recently. I'm concerned a lot of these are pretty dangerous or just completely time wasting. I'm really hoping Derek will see this and make a video explaining the complicated science around growth plates. Please upvote so Derek will see my suggestion.

    • @loganhaggerton4413
      @loganhaggerton4413 9 місяців тому

      He has a video called “Height Biohacking using pharmacology” that covers some of this stuff

    • @shankyt9484
      @shankyt9484 8 місяців тому

      “MK677 WILL MAKE YOU TALLER JUST CLICK LINK IN BIO ALL SAFE 100% LEGIT NO SIDE EFFECTS”

    • @mazza653
      @mazza653 8 місяців тому +2

      W

    • @toximan2008
      @toximan2008 7 місяців тому +7

      manlets will do literally anything except accept reality

    • @slo369
      @slo369 6 місяців тому

      @@toximan2008not me dawg. Never been self conscious of my lack of height but I’m stronk af haha

  • @peterrodgers2709
    @peterrodgers2709 9 місяців тому +5

    Would appreciate if you guys could come together for a few more videos, talking about compounds, training and supplements. Derek your the man bro.

  • @NoobaLV
    @NoobaLV 9 місяців тому +5

    I like that you actually invited the person to talk to in an actual call instead of making your own video commenting on the points he has made. It shows that you actually want to set things straight instead of owning the dude on things he might have missed. Awesome video !

  • @Kyle-dt4qf
    @Kyle-dt4qf 9 місяців тому +8

    Been waiting for this collab for YEARS. Absolute legends of the fitness communty

  • @quantumfx2677
    @quantumfx2677 9 місяців тому +119

    I'm at 200mg weekly split on TRT. I'm 54 and did do cycles from 19 to 22 and quit. Started TRT at 53 at 100mg weekly to 150mg and 200mg got my test to 965, crazy thing was I didn't think I would even need 200mg just to be under 1000 testosterone. I have put on 16lbs from being on TRT and feel fantastic.

    • @testdrivenutrition3951
      @testdrivenutrition3951 9 місяців тому

      Im on kisspeptin-10 monotherapy and my free test is 881 . I would look into kisspeptin-10 my balls are making their own test lh and fsh naturally. Testosterone enanthate 100 mgs a week had me at 680 . Im better without it.

    • @simak2391
      @simak2391 9 місяців тому +10

      I'm curious, what kind of PEDs did you/other people use back then? What was the most legendary compound back then? There hasn't been that much innovation when it comes to AAS, but trends change. For example, currently people talk a lot about using primo/mast in place of an AI. What was the trend back then?

    • @C0d0ps
      @C0d0ps 9 місяців тому

      @@simak2391
      A lot of orals, test, primo, mast.
      I recommend looking up, “golden age bodybuilder” videos on UA-cam, for more in depth knowledge.

    • @agentcodybanks1
      @agentcodybanks1 9 місяців тому +1

      Must be awesome defying nature and being at the 99th percentile of the natural testosterone range

    • @aajohnsoutube
      @aajohnsoutube 9 місяців тому +1

      I’m with you on age and respond just a little better (~15%) on the numbers and gains. Lots of experience in the gym, but no previous experience with drugs though. I appreciate folks like you sharing comments like this.

  • @alfonsoazcona3600
    @alfonsoazcona3600 9 місяців тому +104

    Que chingon collab

  • @elisteele574
    @elisteele574 4 місяці тому +1

    Would love to see a part 2 to this. I respect both of you very much in the fitness space, really cool to see a colab.

  • @madams989
    @madams989 9 місяців тому +64

    Derek still rambles a lot but I think it’s due to his high level of passion and wanting to be thorough with his answers, and the fact his brain works on a savant type level. So I’m all here for it. Jeff is also a great podcaster it seems. Would love to see more from these two.

    • @benhallo1553
      @benhallo1553 9 місяців тому +13

      It’s so crazy how Derek is self taught in all these different areas hahaha

    • @symbolsarenotreality4595
      @symbolsarenotreality4595 9 місяців тому

      He doesn't ramble. You just are a simp who thinks quantity of information is rambling.
      Go back to school mate.

    • @symbolsarenotreality4595
      @symbolsarenotreality4595 9 місяців тому

      Wtf type of internalised anti-intellectualism is calling him a savant?
      Anyone can learn mate, it just takes effort.
      No one is born with knowledge. But yeah keep dumbing yourself down for social brownie points and insulting anyone who demonstrates knowledge.
      React puppet

    • @symbolsarenotreality4595
      @symbolsarenotreality4595 9 місяців тому

      @@benhallo1553 its just motivation mate, we all have brains. Obviously you are just projecting your insecurity in being able to learn. React puppet.

    • @MeesterJ
      @MeesterJ 9 місяців тому +5

      Yeah it's the fear of forgetting important details. I also always ramble way too long when answering stuff 😅

  • @Atif_Ph.D._Kate_Bush_Fan_Club
    @Atif_Ph.D._Kate_Bush_Fan_Club 9 місяців тому +62

    Derek you LEGEND! The best fitness influencers on UA-cam. In my opinion.

  • @TimGreen87
    @TimGreen87 9 місяців тому +7

    My two favourites. I've learned so much from the two of you. I've rewatched Jeff's PPL routine video almost every day for the past year.

  • @thedamirsaric
    @thedamirsaric 9 місяців тому +3

    Very informative. Great dynamic convo. Thorougly enjoyed it💪🏻

  • @menahem2681
    @menahem2681 9 місяців тому +3

    Great collab, two of my favorite science based fitness video creators 🔥. Learned hella info

  • @Katarn000
    @Katarn000 9 місяців тому +11

    1. Jeff Nippard and Derek did a video collab! I’m fking stoked for that!
    2. The shameless plug for Gorilla Mind Energy! Priceless 😂

  • @martin93landp
    @martin93landp 9 місяців тому +5

    Great video! Two extremely objective minds debating togheter, I'd love to see more! Thank you for the content both of you!

  • @stayhungry_pt
    @stayhungry_pt 8 місяців тому +2

    one of my favorite people to watch on the fitness/bodybuilding content. Actually, one of the only ones hahaha. So transparent about everything which is super respectable. We need someone like you to really teach people about steroids, good and bad.

  • @chickentoucher55
    @chickentoucher55 9 місяців тому +74

    Jeff Nippard on the sauce would be insane

    • @areichental
      @areichental 9 місяців тому +2

      Derek did miracles for Kyle. Anything can happen.

    • @kungfoochicken08
      @kungfoochicken08 9 місяців тому +11

      Tfw no matter how much you lift, you’ll never grow taller

    • @JustChill-zd4ib
      @JustChill-zd4ib 9 місяців тому

      @@kungfoochicken08 Always that insecure bozo picking on others for their height. Typical school bully behavior. Sorry your daddy beat you kid.

    • @ayugoslav5554
      @ayugoslav5554 9 місяців тому +3

      @@kungfoochicken08 just wear lifts lol

    • @spearfish
      @spearfish 9 місяців тому +16

      He is on the sauce already

  • @brandonrigter306
    @brandonrigter306 9 місяців тому +3

    One of hopefully more collabs to come with Jeff!

  • @Chilly98101
    @Chilly98101 9 місяців тому +8

    Great video! Agree 100% bro with everything. Working at a men’s clinic as patients coaches I would say this is spot on 💪🏼

  • @impolder
    @impolder 5 місяців тому +2

    This is the exact video i was looking for, as far as gaining knowledge on TRT for beginners, considering natural test levels. Doses, outcomes, free T.. etc. Derek is always reliable af.

  • @kesmeby
    @kesmeby 9 місяців тому +3

    Thanks for this. Good straightforward info like this is hard to come by.

  • @caseygoddard
    @caseygoddard 9 місяців тому +36

    This was great. It's like watching two halves of the same brain coming together at last.

    • @Woozy.0
      @Woozy.0 9 місяців тому +2

      For serious bro, great way to put it

  • @noticemesenpai69
    @noticemesenpai69 9 місяців тому +37

    The two best guys in the industry ❤

  • @mackieincsouthsea
    @mackieincsouthsea 9 місяців тому +1

    Such a great collab 👌Absolutely here for a podcast of it!!

  • @austinlong1397
    @austinlong1397 9 місяців тому

    Awesome! Looking forward to a podcast and / or video with you two!

  • @matthewfuentes8812
    @matthewfuentes8812 9 місяців тому +7

    I never comment on UA-cam. You 2 are my favorite fitness channels; this was a dope surprise!

  • @nicholasbanks4543
    @nicholasbanks4543 9 місяців тому +3

    FYI Derek and Jeff - totally appreciate every video you do. Your dedication to educational fitness is absolutely the best thing on the internet... Sorry for gushing,,,!

  • @archer4648
    @archer4648 9 місяців тому +1

    Always love videos with Jeff and Derek together

  • @Dutchboysracing
    @Dutchboysracing 9 місяців тому

    Honestly, so stoked to see this. love both these dudes and love Jeff's curiosity and Derricks "like yah dude"

  • @hornedgod2873
    @hornedgod2873 9 місяців тому +8

    I love how humble Jeff is. I’ve always gotten good info from him despite the perceived problems with “optimal training.”

  • @jordangreen1018
    @jordangreen1018 9 місяців тому +13

    -0.5mg oral Dutasteride Monday, Wednesday, Friday
    -5mg oral minoxidil daily
    -Ketokonazole shampoo every other day
    - I have been doing this protocol for almost a year and went from a Norwood 3 back to a Norwood 2 (mature hairline). I’ve had no side effects (sexual dysfunction, depression, head fog, water retention, reflex tachycardia ect.) I started with 1mg finasteride daily for a year but it only stopped further hair loss. The protocol above has regrown hair and I would say it’s night and day from a hair density perspective.
    I wish I would have started 3 years earlier and may still have a Norwood 1 hairline.
    Hope this helps someone.

    • @GrullonMiguel
      @GrullonMiguel 9 місяців тому

      Can these be purchased over the counter or do they have to be prescribed by a doctor?

  • @bradenrivers8241
    @bradenrivers8241 9 місяців тому +1

    Been waiting for this collab for like three years now.

  • @Picmedude
    @Picmedude 9 місяців тому +1

    A collab we’ve been waiting for

  • @Lycox15
    @Lycox15 9 місяців тому +44

    Finally. The only two fitness content creators I trust that aren't named Andrew Huberman, have a chat.

    • @pricklycats
      @pricklycats 9 місяців тому

      I thought he was a neuroscientist

    • @THICCTHICCTHICC
      @THICCTHICCTHICC 9 місяців тому +11

      All Huberman says is to be cold and eat good food lol

    • @Lycox15
      @Lycox15 9 місяців тому

      @@THICCTHICCTHICC well it's better than being told to eat liver cereal.

    • @michaeltagor4238
      @michaeltagor4238 9 місяців тому +5

      ​@@THICCTHICCTHICCthat's just a testimony of how awful the modern lifestyle is, and he's not wrong most people are forced to have shitty lifestyle so they're destroying themselves, so doing the bare minimum could help (namely eat good food and be cold)

    • @Lycox15
      @Lycox15 9 місяців тому

      @@pricklycats who better to teach mind muscle connection?

  • @leot-j6312
    @leot-j6312 9 місяців тому +56

    I love how Jeff has to act like he doesn’t know how half this stuff works. Even if you are natty and have been in the industry for a while, you know at least some of this stuff.

    • @brianmeen2158
      @brianmeen2158 9 місяців тому +18

      Yeah I found that funny as well .. almost fishy

    • @YungBapacito
      @YungBapacito 9 місяців тому +7

      right? so much bs

    • @tylivalord
      @tylivalord 9 місяців тому +9

      Bro, I've been natty for 8 years and for a competition I did 2 cycles, I don't know shit even if I know the drugs. The knowledge you have and how they deploy cycles are different.

    • @jasoncorey
      @jasoncorey 9 місяців тому +8

      I know a ton about the camera gear I use.....I know nothing about any other gear I do not use. I have no need nor brain space for it if I have no need to know. Just because he is in the fitness industry does not equate to him being knowledgeable about drugs...same thought as my comparison.

    • @chrism5126
      @chrism5126 9 місяців тому +5

      ​@@jasoncoreyanyone that is very much into bodybuilding like Jeff has wondered and researched peds.

  • @nicknorthcutt7680
    @nicknorthcutt7680 9 місяців тому +2

    We missed you bro!! Keep up the good work my brother 💪💯

  • @CameronDayDYT
    @CameronDayDYT 9 місяців тому

    Both of you guys are awesome. Keep collaborating!

  • @LoColeLGND
    @LoColeLGND 9 місяців тому +21

    Y'all are the gold standard for integrity in the fitness industry- badass to see both of y'all in one vid

  • @kenocastro865
    @kenocastro865 9 місяців тому +12

    Jeff acting like he doesn't know

    • @pordaymane5049
      @pordaymane5049 Місяць тому

      Some people are like a sponge to knolwdge , i respect jeff so much for this

    • @neerajnongmaithem392
      @neerajnongmaithem392 17 днів тому

      Like he knows lot of stuff but Derek knows way more about juice them jeff tbh

  • @BadSummerMusic
    @BadSummerMusic 9 місяців тому

    These two just helped me navigate my protocols. Definitely had questions that got answered.

  • @talboyovGY
    @talboyovGY 9 місяців тому +1

    No videos for ages then 2 in 2 days. Tbf i didn't expect a video of almost 3 hours for dereks first video after his hiatus. Thank you for returning

  • @PodcastClips435
    @PodcastClips435 9 місяців тому +11

    Finally, the goats of fitness get together 👏👏

  • @Kebabified
    @Kebabified 9 місяців тому +4

    Finally, we get to meet the anonymous anabolic expert himself.

  • @bicepbaker723
    @bicepbaker723 9 місяців тому +1

    good stuff thanks Derek & Jeff.

  • @adambellesheim5706
    @adambellesheim5706 9 місяців тому +5

    My two favorite UA-camrs in one video!! And what an interesting video it was. I’m on 160 mg TRT and my levels are almost at 1000. I’ve definitely gained some lean mass in the past few months of being on.

  • @mlnamlw
    @mlnamlw 9 місяців тому +5

    Babe, wake up, Derek from More Plates More Dates just posted a video with Jeff Nippard

  • @seanpayne5643
    @seanpayne5643 9 місяців тому

    Is this the first time y'all collaborated? I hope there's more in the future! Great video guys

  • @TheRealPumpFest
    @TheRealPumpFest 9 місяців тому +3

    Can we get more MPMD and the Kiwi God collaborations, please?

  • @paullane7489
    @paullane7489 9 місяців тому +6

    Possibly the most powerful fitness industry collaboration of all time!!! 👍👍👍👍

  • @slimepremeleader4607
    @slimepremeleader4607 8 місяців тому

    DEREK I SAW U DOWNTOWN VICTORIA ON FRIDAY AND I SAID
    “Derek” and you were super polite
    And cool and I said “you’re the fuckin man” and I want to clarify I truthfully meant that I am from Victoria and like I run into so many people who are like yoo and say the same shit and to be on the opposite side of the interaction I loved it and like appreciated the experience
    But for real you are actually the fucking man and I have nothing but hella love and respect for you! I truthfully fan girld so hard when I saw you and man I am super shy but you’re super dope and deserve to know that! Thanks for being super nice too!

  • @azhaanebrahim4887
    @azhaanebrahim4887 9 місяців тому

    That will be great to listen to looking forward it happing appreciated it guys keep up great work💪🏽💯🔥

  • @tehphoebus
    @tehphoebus 9 місяців тому +5

    Can we get a 3 hour podcast please?

  • @dannyhalverson51
    @dannyhalverson51 9 місяців тому +9

    54 6’3” 230# 16.8%bf TRT 100mg/wk Cyp for almost 2 years and have highly enjoyed the treatment so far. No issues at all. Blood tested every 6-8 weeks and all looks good. Don’t abuse the drug, make it help and not hurt you. 2 👍🏼 from me. Fountain of youth. Enjoy!

  • @cambyo847
    @cambyo847 9 місяців тому

    I’ve missed you bro. Glad to see your videos are back! Hope vacay was good. Have a great day.

  • @mellow7932
    @mellow7932 9 місяців тому

    the dream podcast, love seeing you two together!

  • @leaguezebra3936
    @leaguezebra3936 9 місяців тому +4

    Would be cool to see more videos with your take on Olympic athletes. I think your video on Justin Gatlin's doping scandal from a while ago was very informative and a fun watch. However, I am curious as to whether you think most or all athletes are doping or if there are some who compete at that level naturally.

  • @atp2727
    @atp2727 9 місяців тому +6

    No need for PEDs unless you're a pro athlete or over 40 or 50. I'm 35 got the diet on point, best shape of my life. Feel damn good, crazy what hydration and diet does.

    • @bibsp3556
      @bibsp3556 9 місяців тому +1

      Yeah. Feels wicked hey. Same boat.

    • @danielwall5914
      @danielwall5914 9 місяців тому +1

      same here

    • @Demane69
      @Demane69 9 місяців тому +3

      I'm 52, look 42, have a 6 pack, deadlifting more than ever, still gain muscle and mass easily (and youthful sex life). People are addicted to shortcuts and ego. 99% of TRT users mismanaged their life and do not need to be on it.

    • @danielwall5914
      @danielwall5914 9 місяців тому

      @@Demane69 thanks for sharing! I love hearing stuff like this. Im 36 and shape and strength is still improving, been natural all my life and just taken good care of my health 🙌🏼

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W 8 місяців тому

      At baseline the fountain of youth is already there. Eat better, sleep better, cut down on vices to save the liver, keep pushing for gym goals. PEDs just adds more expenses where unless there is a real good pay out for it (i.e. Hollywood) its not worth really worth the cost.

  • @thatonerandom0233
    @thatonerandom0233 9 місяців тому +1

    Derek!! Big love homie!!! The GOATS!

  • @garrisonmakosky3330
    @garrisonmakosky3330 9 місяців тому +9

    CANT SPELL LOGAN WITHOUT L

  • @TheUnemployedGoku
    @TheUnemployedGoku 9 місяців тому +6

    Both You and nippard should do another collab where you conduct a few controlled studies or even you, huberman and jeff nippard. THE videos would def go viral and it would only serve to cement your legacy as a true pioneer the science-based and backed side of the fitness industry ... PLease Here My Prayers Delt Lord!

  • @tacoeaterfosho2563
    @tacoeaterfosho2563 9 місяців тому

    Keep the videos coming bro!

  • @__________8997
    @__________8997 9 місяців тому

    The collab I've been pining for, been loving Jeff's approach and presentation of info for years and Derek for a couple now. Fantastic people to get legit info like Mike Israetel

  • @MaddMaxOfficial
    @MaddMaxOfficial 9 місяців тому +4

    Bostin Loyd used to be my coach in 2014 he was taking the whole kitchen sink rest in peace. Just focus on diet and lift intense focus on the eccentric push pull legs and do your cardio and you’ll have a beautiful body don’t do drugs guys (shrooms are cool tho)😂😂

  • @bjf5027
    @bjf5027 9 місяців тому +5

    It's awkward seeing Jeff pretend not to know anything about steroids. He def has done hundreds of hours of research but probably wants to seem ignorant so nobody accuses him of being a fake natty.

  • @leigh_carmichael
    @leigh_carmichael 9 місяців тому

    Two of the best in the biz. Love it!!

  • @IllusArt
    @IllusArt 9 місяців тому

    One of the topics I've been waiting for quite sometime.

  • @I-di-nt-do-nuff-in-
    @I-di-nt-do-nuff-in- 9 місяців тому +5

    Jeff, picking his brain to figure out where to start😂

  • @kneewizard6246
    @kneewizard6246 9 місяців тому +3

    Like the bodybuilding angel and devil on our shoulders

  • @connorbrown4241
    @connorbrown4241 9 місяців тому +1

    Nippard saving my body and Derek saving my hair. Just a couple of genuine guys being dudes. Gotta love it.

  • @garretthood8085
    @garretthood8085 9 місяців тому

    Waited so long for this collaboration 🎉

  • @CoolSilver
    @CoolSilver 9 місяців тому +3

    I went from 100mg/wk and still had some symptoms to 150mg/wk and good how I feel. Breaking up every other day or at least twice a week really helped having side effects from spikes. I found that over 50mg in a dose I felt minor side-effects so breaking up was good. I've not noticed a difference in muscle mass but has helped recomp a little being I was pushing 38% body fat.

    • @chrism5126
      @chrism5126 9 місяців тому +1

      Did it help your energy?

    • @CoolSilver
      @CoolSilver 9 місяців тому

      @@chrism5126It has. One of the things that I was having issues with still at 100mg week

    • @ryanrogers8211
      @ryanrogers8211 9 місяців тому +2

      TRT is amazing for energy. You injecting every night before bed small doses keeps the side effects of fluctuations away completely.

  • @tanizaki
    @tanizaki 9 місяців тому +29

    I like how Jeff is pulling the babe in the woods act.
    “What would a TRT dose be? What would a cycle dose be? I have no idea - I’ve only been in this community for well over a decade and compete in tested competitions.”

    • @MadLicha
      @MadLicha 9 місяців тому +15

      Jeff is tested and clean. He knows the answers but asks for the yt audience for discussion and information purposes. Are you new here?

    • @tanizaki
      @tanizaki 9 місяців тому +20

      @@MadLicha I didn’t say Jeff wasn’t natural but bear in mind that Lance Armstrong was tested and clean. Were you born this morning?

    • @JustChill-zd4ib
      @JustChill-zd4ib 9 місяців тому +8

      @@tanizaki Do you want to argue or what is your purpose here? What is the end goal?

    • @tanizaki
      @tanizaki 9 місяців тому +12

      @@JustChill-zd4ib Imagine having “goals” for a UA-cam comment. You must be Gen Z.

    • @spearfish
      @spearfish 9 місяців тому +11

      Seriously. Jeff is an absolute fraud. Of course he's not natural. But he will never admit to it because it would destroy his brand.

  • @IaMSolomonX
    @IaMSolomonX 9 місяців тому

    It amazes me how spot on you are with this information. You’re the G.O.A.T Bro

  • @David-cm7nk
    @David-cm7nk 9 місяців тому +1

    Love this collab LETS GOOO

  • @quantumfx2677
    @quantumfx2677 9 місяців тому +3

    Back in 1989 we never got blood test and the only info we had was Dan Dushane anabolic steroid hand books , I started at 19 but was lifting since the age of 12 and the only reason I got on PEDs was because the guys I trained with started and putting on size and strength leaving me in the dust. I have to be honest and say I wouldn't have changed a thing and back then I read everything learning about steroids and was one of the few to use low amounts and two 6 week cycles a year, I quit at 22 and I did go for 8 weeks on my last cycle using sustanon and anadrol 50 and did 3 cycles that year. The only thing I would have changed would of been using HCG after coming off cycles.

    • @bunny.bunbob
      @bunny.bunbob 9 місяців тому

      would of would of would of .. please

    • @diedonasaturday
      @diedonasaturday 9 місяців тому

      *would have

    • @quantumfx2677
      @quantumfx2677 9 місяців тому

      @@bunny.bunbob thanks for the handy work. Fixed!

  • @Kedubs
    @Kedubs 9 місяців тому +4

    Jeff is my natural hero ❤️
    Thanks Derek for bringing a natty on to inform a natty what dosages a natty should take to be enhanced as a natty and see results as a natty. 🎉

  • @nicholasbanks4543
    @nicholasbanks4543 9 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for your honesty!

  • @donniespackman3182
    @donniespackman3182 9 місяців тому

    wow never been more hype for a collab

  • @diog826
    @diog826 9 місяців тому +6

    Genetics are always the biggest factor

    • @ayugoslav5554
      @ayugoslav5554 9 місяців тому +1

      Brootal

    • @brianmeen2158
      @brianmeen2158 9 місяців тому +1

      Definitely. Genetics affect everything and either break you or make you

  • @adam_bbing
    @adam_bbing 9 місяців тому +3

    trt is probably anything between 75-200 dependent on individual response, 100/wk would put me at 450~

    • @mortenpaskins6073
      @mortenpaskins6073 9 місяців тому

      There are some legitimate examples of some people needing up to 500mg even to get to 900ng/dl

  • @cyber_crypto
    @cyber_crypto 9 місяців тому

    Derek is the mf man out here in these fitness skreets! We appreciate all you do, thanks!