How Much Muscle Can You Gain Natty Vs. Enhanced | IFBB Pro Steroid Dosages | ft. Jeff Nippard
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Quite possibly the most algorithmic colab of all time.
Great video Derek.
Super physiological amounts of algorithm
Anabolic algo
😂
sam sulek next then
This is the "good" part of the internet.
Just stay natty like Mike O'Hearn kids.
Baby Don't Hurt me
no more
He’s a alien so it doesn’t count
Like the liver king
number one natty god
A convo between two guys that don’t know us but have helped us all out.
Solid.
These kinds of videos are not useful to anyone whatsoever. It's just entertainment. If you're natural the only thing that's gonna happen is getting blackpilled because of the "natural limit" that Jeff is pushing for some reason. These last videos are truly a disapointment from Jeff.
@@Bertone4884It was already happening, this guy just brought it to light and giving people a way to not just “blast and cruise” but teaching them to take care of blood work as well
@@mikolajakubiec666I think it’s pretty useful information, especially with many top guys trying to spew the bs if “steroids don’t really help all that much”
@@UnhumanNewman yeah that I somewhat agree with, however even then, how exactly does that impact your life as a natural lifter? I personally don't really care how much do steroids do because I'm not interested in doing them whatsoever. Instead of "informing" people about how big of a differnece they make (which actually might convince some people to jump on them - it's still the fault of the person jumping on, people who decide to do drugs are repsonsible for themselves, but still), just either don't talk about them or inform about their dangers and effects in an objective manner. There certainly are people who believe that you can "use them safely" but I don't think there's anyone who thinks that they don't work in terms of muscle growth.
P. S. There's no natural limit.
@mikolajakubiec666 no natural limit?
We need more minds like this coming together in the fitness industry
Being musclebound does not mean you are "fit".
Strong minds*
Jeff lost credibility when he said Cbum was natty at 19 😂 if you watch Derek’s face it speaks all the words you need to know.
@@alanjohnson6169 how does Jeff lose credibility? He said he doesn’t know anything about peds
I miss the way Derek and Leo used to bounce off each other. Gives me those vibes great video.
The collab we’ve all been waiting for
We have?
Amén
@@joev7452 idk
I have bro I have, they both seem like they are wise about it fr
Nah Nippard has decent content but he's a commie weirdo. Dude legit tried to prove "racism" with studies, makes it hard to trust his fitness content considering how bs that was. Far from the worst in the fitness industry, but not in Derek's level
Jeff Nippard is preparing to blast
Again?
He’s been blasting
@@Johnredcorn713bro he’s like 5’4 lol he’s def natty
He for sure knows more than he lets out
@@jacksonswinkle3283yea if he wasn’t a turbo manlet I wouldn’t even entertain the idea that he’s natty. Speaking from experience as a 5’7 guy I’ve had people claim I juiced and I’m not even crazy shredded
Derek and Jeff truly are two of the most legit, trustworthy minds in the cesspool minefield that can be fitness social media. Seeing them come together like this is an absolutely legendary collab moment.
Don't forget Alan Thrall too
@@MrJason005 I completely agree! That dude is a Powerlifting insight God!!
Besides the fact Jeff thinks his audience is too stupid to know the difference between fat free mass and muscle so was falsely quoting a study.
@@mrw9216 do you have more details about that? can you link to the video and timestamp where he said that and falsely quoted a study?
@@MrJason005 The video he was talking about how much muscle you can build enhanced vs natural. Kept saying a study was referring to “muscle” when it was talking about “fat free mass”. Continuing to perpetuate the myth steroids grow muscle without stimulus. All he did was correct himself in a comment and basically said his audience was too stupid to understand the difference. Which also means if they’re too stupid to understand that, then they for sure aren’t reading that comment.
It sounds like Jeff is asking about this for a "friend" but its really for himself lol.
Yes it does.
Exactly what I thought. Man might as well have been taking notes 😂
it was for his video lol
@@sw-gz9ps ^^^ yup exactly this. He made a video about 1-2 months ago on how much muscle you can put on with and without steroids.
It was for a video he already put out
Derek: 'it depends on the context'
Jeff: 'grins insanely'
Lolll I thought I was the only one to notice that
Haha that's why I love him
Great to see you back two days in a row Derek ! I’ve been a fan of Jeff and subscribed to his channel for quite sometime and am thrilled to see this collaboration. Hope you both have a great day today and thank you for your thorough research and dedication to providing accurate and optimal health, wellness and performance information.
Went from 340 to 240 in the past 5 months. Cut out alcohol, started fasting, started keto, started elliptical .. then running. Started lifting with my son. Thank you for the awesome content Derek, I know this channel isn't necessarily geared towards weight loss, but your appreciation of and focus on health helped push me in a healthy direction. With that being said .. how fat should I not be before I eat my first trenboloney sammich? Daddy's got a lot of loose skin to fill out.
Im no expert and you do not have to consider this advice in the slightest if it doesn't suit you, mind you your entire hormone profile will be on the line. But get down low, because body fat tissue is most active in aromatase. Dont start with Tren, just Test E.
180-200 pounds
please dont take tren, just start with low dose test then if you take it well slowly move up and add along the way. (following safe ammounts getting tests routinely)
Congrats on your weight loss! That skin will snap back too, & it helps to supplement with fish oil, CoQ10, multivitamin, D, etc. If you’re truly having trouble building muscle, please just go to a physician & get TRT. Please don’t take tren or gear you buy in a gym.
Check out the small UA-cam channel "anabolic bodybuilding" on UA-cam, paul is a pretty big guy, 49 years old, and had some loose skin from when he stopped going to the gym, and got fat. He had surgery to get it tucked but said he regrets it, because there's just weird lines everywhere. So having a tiny bit of loose skin is not going to be the end of the world if you're 220+ and have a good amount of muscle.
Batman meets Superman right here
Deltman meets kiwiman
Niiiice! i love jeffs minimalist workout videos as someone who doesnt want to gymrat anymore but wants to have an above average looking body.
Working hard and not over eating is the simple route to the “looking good naked” route which I would argue is what the overwhelming majority of people should strive for. I watch a lot of Mike Isratel and while I love the info, it doesn’t really speak to me since I’m not looking to be a body builder
go for mentzer rules
J-Nipp was taking some serious notes we might see him blowing up in the 6months 😂💪💪💪
In all seriousness, awesome episode. I’d love to see you two do longer form content together. 2 of my favorite creators!
J nip 😂😂
then he’ll be j-nip gyno
This is the first, and most clear cut layout of different levels of cycles.
Thank you mpmd
To be fair that's for average to bad genetics, there are outliers who are just ridiculous and they can get away with really little tren some only take 300 and got to ifb Status some probably took nothing and looked like they are in stuff young cbum or Ronny Coleman.
@@asddasdasdasdadsaof course, there will always be outliers
@@asddasdasdasdadsawell there are even natural IFBB pros
@@mikolajakubiec666maybe a handful ever, most are lying
@@asddasdasdasdadsaSomeone that will be willing to take tren, has and does take grams of other shit for sure though.
My man is back to uploading more YAY.
Lets go Derek! FYI - Your New Electrolyte packs are awesome
It would be great to see some more of the two of you. I've found you guys have some of the best non click bait material that's actually been helpful for lifting.
This will be a legendary video for years to come. So well seats from the two informed points of view 🙏🏼thank you guys
Dude this is such an awesome collab, thank both of you guys for making this happen.
This is by far the best video breaking down the basic information I always knew I needed about natty vs enhanced. I feel like I finally have a basic grasp on this stuff.
I've seen a lot of sketchy height increasing routines targeted towards desperate teenagers recently. I'm concerned a lot of these are pretty dangerous or just completely time wasting. I'm really hoping Derek will see this and make a video explaining the complicated science around growth plates. Please upvote so Derek will see my suggestion.
He has a video called “Height Biohacking using pharmacology” that covers some of this stuff
“MK677 WILL MAKE YOU TALLER JUST CLICK LINK IN BIO ALL SAFE 100% LEGIT NO SIDE EFFECTS”
W
manlets will do literally anything except accept reality
@@toximan2008not me dawg. Never been self conscious of my lack of height but I’m stronk af haha
Would appreciate if you guys could come together for a few more videos, talking about compounds, training and supplements. Derek your the man bro.
I like that you actually invited the person to talk to in an actual call instead of making your own video commenting on the points he has made. It shows that you actually want to set things straight instead of owning the dude on things he might have missed. Awesome video !
Been waiting for this collab for YEARS. Absolute legends of the fitness communty
I'm at 200mg weekly split on TRT. I'm 54 and did do cycles from 19 to 22 and quit. Started TRT at 53 at 100mg weekly to 150mg and 200mg got my test to 965, crazy thing was I didn't think I would even need 200mg just to be under 1000 testosterone. I have put on 16lbs from being on TRT and feel fantastic.
Im on kisspeptin-10 monotherapy and my free test is 881 . I would look into kisspeptin-10 my balls are making their own test lh and fsh naturally. Testosterone enanthate 100 mgs a week had me at 680 . Im better without it.
I'm curious, what kind of PEDs did you/other people use back then? What was the most legendary compound back then? There hasn't been that much innovation when it comes to AAS, but trends change. For example, currently people talk a lot about using primo/mast in place of an AI. What was the trend back then?
@@simak2391
A lot of orals, test, primo, mast.
I recommend looking up, “golden age bodybuilder” videos on UA-cam, for more in depth knowledge.
Must be awesome defying nature and being at the 99th percentile of the natural testosterone range
I’m with you on age and respond just a little better (~15%) on the numbers and gains. Lots of experience in the gym, but no previous experience with drugs though. I appreciate folks like you sharing comments like this.
Que chingon collab
Hey brother
No mames
hola mi mejor amigo
Would love to see a part 2 to this. I respect both of you very much in the fitness space, really cool to see a colab.
Derek still rambles a lot but I think it’s due to his high level of passion and wanting to be thorough with his answers, and the fact his brain works on a savant type level. So I’m all here for it. Jeff is also a great podcaster it seems. Would love to see more from these two.
It’s so crazy how Derek is self taught in all these different areas hahaha
He doesn't ramble. You just are a simp who thinks quantity of information is rambling.
Go back to school mate.
Wtf type of internalised anti-intellectualism is calling him a savant?
Anyone can learn mate, it just takes effort.
No one is born with knowledge. But yeah keep dumbing yourself down for social brownie points and insulting anyone who demonstrates knowledge.
React puppet
@@benhallo1553 its just motivation mate, we all have brains. Obviously you are just projecting your insecurity in being able to learn. React puppet.
Yeah it's the fear of forgetting important details. I also always ramble way too long when answering stuff 😅
Derek you LEGEND! The best fitness influencers on UA-cam. In my opinion.
My two favourites. I've learned so much from the two of you. I've rewatched Jeff's PPL routine video almost every day for the past year.
Very informative. Great dynamic convo. Thorougly enjoyed it💪🏻
Great collab, two of my favorite science based fitness video creators 🔥. Learned hella info
1. Jeff Nippard and Derek did a video collab! I’m fking stoked for that!
2. The shameless plug for Gorilla Mind Energy! Priceless 😂
Great video! Two extremely objective minds debating togheter, I'd love to see more! Thank you for the content both of you!
one of my favorite people to watch on the fitness/bodybuilding content. Actually, one of the only ones hahaha. So transparent about everything which is super respectable. We need someone like you to really teach people about steroids, good and bad.
Jeff Nippard on the sauce would be insane
Derek did miracles for Kyle. Anything can happen.
Tfw no matter how much you lift, you’ll never grow taller
@@kungfoochicken08 Always that insecure bozo picking on others for their height. Typical school bully behavior. Sorry your daddy beat you kid.
@@kungfoochicken08 just wear lifts lol
He is on the sauce already
One of hopefully more collabs to come with Jeff!
Great video! Agree 100% bro with everything. Working at a men’s clinic as patients coaches I would say this is spot on 💪🏼
This is the exact video i was looking for, as far as gaining knowledge on TRT for beginners, considering natural test levels. Doses, outcomes, free T.. etc. Derek is always reliable af.
Thanks for this. Good straightforward info like this is hard to come by.
This was great. It's like watching two halves of the same brain coming together at last.
For serious bro, great way to put it
The two best guys in the industry ❤
Such a great collab 👌Absolutely here for a podcast of it!!
Awesome! Looking forward to a podcast and / or video with you two!
I never comment on UA-cam. You 2 are my favorite fitness channels; this was a dope surprise!
FYI Derek and Jeff - totally appreciate every video you do. Your dedication to educational fitness is absolutely the best thing on the internet... Sorry for gushing,,,!
Always love videos with Jeff and Derek together
Honestly, so stoked to see this. love both these dudes and love Jeff's curiosity and Derricks "like yah dude"
I love how humble Jeff is. I’ve always gotten good info from him despite the perceived problems with “optimal training.”
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Been waiting for this collab for like three years now.
A collab we’ve been waiting for
Finally. The only two fitness content creators I trust that aren't named Andrew Huberman, have a chat.
I thought he was a neuroscientist
All Huberman says is to be cold and eat good food lol
@@THICCTHICCTHICC well it's better than being told to eat liver cereal.
@@THICCTHICCTHICCthat's just a testimony of how awful the modern lifestyle is, and he's not wrong most people are forced to have shitty lifestyle so they're destroying themselves, so doing the bare minimum could help (namely eat good food and be cold)
@@pricklycats who better to teach mind muscle connection?
I love how Jeff has to act like he doesn’t know how half this stuff works. Even if you are natty and have been in the industry for a while, you know at least some of this stuff.
Yeah I found that funny as well .. almost fishy
right? so much bs
Bro, I've been natty for 8 years and for a competition I did 2 cycles, I don't know shit even if I know the drugs. The knowledge you have and how they deploy cycles are different.
I know a ton about the camera gear I use.....I know nothing about any other gear I do not use. I have no need nor brain space for it if I have no need to know. Just because he is in the fitness industry does not equate to him being knowledgeable about drugs...same thought as my comparison.
@@jasoncoreyanyone that is very much into bodybuilding like Jeff has wondered and researched peds.
We missed you bro!! Keep up the good work my brother 💪💯
Both of you guys are awesome. Keep collaborating!
Y'all are the gold standard for integrity in the fitness industry- badass to see both of y'all in one vid
Jeff acting like he doesn't know
Some people are like a sponge to knolwdge , i respect jeff so much for this
Like he knows lot of stuff but Derek knows way more about juice them jeff tbh
These two just helped me navigate my protocols. Definitely had questions that got answered.
No videos for ages then 2 in 2 days. Tbf i didn't expect a video of almost 3 hours for dereks first video after his hiatus. Thank you for returning
Finally, the goats of fitness get together 👏👏
Finally, we get to meet the anonymous anabolic expert himself.
good stuff thanks Derek & Jeff.
My two favorite UA-camrs in one video!! And what an interesting video it was. I’m on 160 mg TRT and my levels are almost at 1000. I’ve definitely gained some lean mass in the past few months of being on.
Why you taking it
Most ppl who take are insecure
Babe, wake up, Derek from More Plates More Dates just posted a video with Jeff Nippard
Is this the first time y'all collaborated? I hope there's more in the future! Great video guys
Can we get more MPMD and the Kiwi God collaborations, please?
Possibly the most powerful fitness industry collaboration of all time!!! 👍👍👍👍
DEREK I SAW U DOWNTOWN VICTORIA ON FRIDAY AND I SAID
“Derek” and you were super polite
And cool and I said “you’re the fuckin man” and I want to clarify I truthfully meant that I am from Victoria and like I run into so many people who are like yoo and say the same shit and to be on the opposite side of the interaction I loved it and like appreciated the experience
But for real you are actually the fucking man and I have nothing but hella love and respect for you! I truthfully fan girld so hard when I saw you and man I am super shy but you’re super dope and deserve to know that! Thanks for being super nice too!
That will be great to listen to looking forward it happing appreciated it guys keep up great work💪🏽💯🔥
Can we get a 3 hour podcast please?
54 6’3” 230# 16.8%bf TRT 100mg/wk Cyp for almost 2 years and have highly enjoyed the treatment so far. No issues at all. Blood tested every 6-8 weeks and all looks good. Don’t abuse the drug, make it help and not hurt you. 2 👍🏼 from me. Fountain of youth. Enjoy!
I’ve missed you bro. Glad to see your videos are back! Hope vacay was good. Have a great day.
the dream podcast, love seeing you two together!
Would be cool to see more videos with your take on Olympic athletes. I think your video on Justin Gatlin's doping scandal from a while ago was very informative and a fun watch. However, I am curious as to whether you think most or all athletes are doping or if there are some who compete at that level naturally.
No need for PEDs unless you're a pro athlete or over 40 or 50. I'm 35 got the diet on point, best shape of my life. Feel damn good, crazy what hydration and diet does.
Yeah. Feels wicked hey. Same boat.
same here
I'm 52, look 42, have a 6 pack, deadlifting more than ever, still gain muscle and mass easily (and youthful sex life). People are addicted to shortcuts and ego. 99% of TRT users mismanaged their life and do not need to be on it.
@@Demane69 thanks for sharing! I love hearing stuff like this. Im 36 and shape and strength is still improving, been natural all my life and just taken good care of my health 🙌🏼
At baseline the fountain of youth is already there. Eat better, sleep better, cut down on vices to save the liver, keep pushing for gym goals. PEDs just adds more expenses where unless there is a real good pay out for it (i.e. Hollywood) its not worth really worth the cost.
Derek!! Big love homie!!! The GOATS!
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Both You and nippard should do another collab where you conduct a few controlled studies or even you, huberman and jeff nippard. THE videos would def go viral and it would only serve to cement your legacy as a true pioneer the science-based and backed side of the fitness industry ... PLease Here My Prayers Delt Lord!
NIPPHARD PLS
This
Keep the videos coming bro!
The collab I've been pining for, been loving Jeff's approach and presentation of info for years and Derek for a couple now. Fantastic people to get legit info like Mike Israetel
Bostin Loyd used to be my coach in 2014 he was taking the whole kitchen sink rest in peace. Just focus on diet and lift intense focus on the eccentric push pull legs and do your cardio and you’ll have a beautiful body don’t do drugs guys (shrooms are cool tho)😂😂
It's awkward seeing Jeff pretend not to know anything about steroids. He def has done hundreds of hours of research but probably wants to seem ignorant so nobody accuses him of being a fake natty.
Two of the best in the biz. Love it!!
One of the topics I've been waiting for quite sometime.
Jeff, picking his brain to figure out where to start😂
Like the bodybuilding angel and devil on our shoulders
Nippard saving my body and Derek saving my hair. Just a couple of genuine guys being dudes. Gotta love it.
Waited so long for this collaboration 🎉
I went from 100mg/wk and still had some symptoms to 150mg/wk and good how I feel. Breaking up every other day or at least twice a week really helped having side effects from spikes. I found that over 50mg in a dose I felt minor side-effects so breaking up was good. I've not noticed a difference in muscle mass but has helped recomp a little being I was pushing 38% body fat.
Did it help your energy?
@@chrism5126It has. One of the things that I was having issues with still at 100mg week
TRT is amazing for energy. You injecting every night before bed small doses keeps the side effects of fluctuations away completely.
I like how Jeff is pulling the babe in the woods act.
“What would a TRT dose be? What would a cycle dose be? I have no idea - I’ve only been in this community for well over a decade and compete in tested competitions.”
Jeff is tested and clean. He knows the answers but asks for the yt audience for discussion and information purposes. Are you new here?
@@MadLicha I didn’t say Jeff wasn’t natural but bear in mind that Lance Armstrong was tested and clean. Were you born this morning?
@@tanizaki Do you want to argue or what is your purpose here? What is the end goal?
@@JustChill-zd4ib Imagine having “goals” for a UA-cam comment. You must be Gen Z.
Seriously. Jeff is an absolute fraud. Of course he's not natural. But he will never admit to it because it would destroy his brand.
It amazes me how spot on you are with this information. You’re the G.O.A.T Bro
Love this collab LETS GOOO
Back in 1989 we never got blood test and the only info we had was Dan Dushane anabolic steroid hand books , I started at 19 but was lifting since the age of 12 and the only reason I got on PEDs was because the guys I trained with started and putting on size and strength leaving me in the dust. I have to be honest and say I wouldn't have changed a thing and back then I read everything learning about steroids and was one of the few to use low amounts and two 6 week cycles a year, I quit at 22 and I did go for 8 weeks on my last cycle using sustanon and anadrol 50 and did 3 cycles that year. The only thing I would have changed would of been using HCG after coming off cycles.
would of would of would of .. please
*would have
@@bunny.bunbob thanks for the handy work. Fixed!
Jeff is my natural hero ❤️
Thanks Derek for bringing a natty on to inform a natty what dosages a natty should take to be enhanced as a natty and see results as a natty. 🎉
Thank you so much for your honesty!
wow never been more hype for a collab
Genetics are always the biggest factor
Brootal
Definitely. Genetics affect everything and either break you or make you
trt is probably anything between 75-200 dependent on individual response, 100/wk would put me at 450~
There are some legitimate examples of some people needing up to 500mg even to get to 900ng/dl
Derek is the mf man out here in these fitness skreets! We appreciate all you do, thanks!