I have said this before and I am saying it again....I don't know how Hermes gets away with this when the baker got sued and lost for refusing to sell something to a specific person. I am surprised someone hasn't sued them. It would be interesting to see their numbers on the sales to specific groups (white versus other). It's a model that makes it easy to hide racism, sexism, elitism, etc. I don't see how they get away with what they do in this day and age.
You're such a fascinating human being. Absolutely fascinating how you approach "superficial" temes in such deep, intelligent and poetic way, it amazes me every single time. Didn't even know that was possible.
Another great follow up! To the person who was wondering the true cost of the bags, I have seen an artisan leather smith of 20 years produce a birkin dupe and sell it for $100. Keep in mind he is also making a profit!
Sure, but I would be careful implying that anyone could make a living off those numbers. I'm not sure how many hours it took him to produce the bag, but if we're saying the general time of 18 hours for a "standard" birkin, before even taking into account cost of materials, he would be making $5.55 an hour, which is not anywhere near a living wage. Assuming the cost of the leather, metal pieces, etc is low, let's say, 20 bucks, that's more like 4.44 per hour. I'm all for knowing the actual value of materials and the markup, but also as an artist I think it's important to highlight the worth of the artisan's labor.
There is nothing like Hermès ties and scarves. They are amazing and I think women must keep dreaming of the Birkin and Kelly. So many people are buying Birkins and Kellys if those are sustaining y brand. I love Chanel I love Hermès. I sold recently a Chanel wallet bought a very good price in Paris a de bought an Hermès one for £11,000. Chanel has never had one that expensive.
I know a couple people who have been offered birkin with no shopping history or very little history, but you can’t be picky and usually it’s the bags that most of the clientele refused or didn’t want. But also I wanted to point out that during the pandemic they were handing out Birkins like now it’s business at the Madison Avenue boutique, so they aren’t that rare as they claim.
I’am a social worker but that doesn’t mean you know what’s on my bankaccount. I shop when I love something. If you don’t want me, fine ! I spend my money elsewhere 👀
C’mon people, we may love luxury brands. But let’s not tie our whole identity to a brand to the point we feel personally attacked when someone criticizes them.
Thank you Dacob for all myriad of interesting topics of discussion that you come up regarding luxury. I was getting a bit tired of the endless unboxings in some youtube channels which stopped making sense for me after a while. You have a good mix of chats, discussions, reviews of products, unboxings which make it more interesting and informative as well. Love you and your channel 💕
I'm new here! Love your content! I would be super interested to see you do a video about mid-luxury bags. I will always love my Chanel but started buying and looking at some brands like Brahim and my heart has fallen in love with them too! Sure...the status vibe isn't as strong but if you don't care about that...these lesser known mid luxury bag are equally or more gorgeous! Most have suburb customer service too. I will only by pre loved Hermès anymore because of these gross business practices. I love their equestrian tack...because I'm an equestrian. I want to spend my "journey" on meaningful things that make a difference for others. I do my spending quietly and love my friends and family loudly.
You are my favorite!! I love your views on just about everything you touch on. I honestly cannot agree more. I've seen a few pieces from Hermès (twillys, scarves mostly) that I thought were beautiful...but I do not like the Hermès game. Much rather feed into my YSL and Chanel obsessions. Why? I love how I've been treated at Chanel. I genuinely felt like a valued human. I felt like my money was good enough. And YSL, I love what Yves did for the fashion industry as a whole. I love his passions. These are names I stand by. Hermès has a rich history, but their game kills my interest in purchasing. Thank you for your thoughts on this!
Thank you for your comment Indigo Girl! Very well written. I also feel comfortable at CHANEL. Its not always an easy ride either but there always seems to be a happy ending there... at the end of the CHANEL rainbow! Haha!
@@SuperDacob I must agree. When we stop feeling like the valued customer that we are, I feel we are a customer at the wrong place. I feel there's a lot of negative experiences associated with Hermès..unfortunately, I have been hearing these stories for years. What a shame to go into a luxury store and feel you cannot purchase what you truly want...that there's a chance you may have to purchase things beforehand, you aren't necessarily there for. Not my type of luxury experience.
Its a slippery slope for sure but I think a lot of the HERMES experience as a customer depends on one's own mindset and goals. If one loves their products in general, then the experience will probably be much more fun. If one, on the other hand, is just into Hermes for the two bags, then the frustration begins and I feel like sales associates can smell it out as well... you know... the desperation! LOL! Like dogs can smell out fear! The SAs could smell out the desperation for a Kelly and a Birkin! LOL! And that smell ain't pretty ;)
@@SuperDacob you are absolutely right!! Mindset and goals in the experience overall, means everything. And that the SA's can probably smell the desperation lol. Too much truth..I know that when I walk into a store, I want to feel in control of my purchase, no matter where I may be. I've heard of the unicorn people that were able to buy a Birkin with no problem, and that's great if that was their goal. I'd personally rather get my Chanel bag :) I personally find them so much more eye catching and approachable, at a much more reasonable price.
I agree with you 100%. I love your honesty and openness on this. I do like some Hermès items, but I will never play the H game. To each its own, but I personally think the desperation that I see some of these people show in order to be offered a birkin, kelly or Constance in store is sad. Ended up going the resell market for my first kelly and birkin this past year.
i 100% disagree with the comment saying „look rich and you will be treated rich“. i think people that „look rich“ aren’t necessarily the people that really have tons of money. a billionaire, who really has money, doesnt care anymore often and spending their days in sweatpants. so even if you look like earning 25k a year doesnt mean you dont have money. and the hermes employees also know that.
How is it a journey?? Clever marketing more like! I’d never refer to my relationship with my supermarket as a journey. Im not grateful for my supermarket to accept me as a customer. I don’t class my self as lucky that they allow me to buy my milk & bread from them. Nor do I regard anyone at my supermarket as a ‘friend’ or have some relationship with them. Hermes have got some weird reverse phycology marketing going on & it obviously works. Why is Hermes different from every other retailer on the planet?? Because it clearly works thats why. The physical emotion of NOT getting something is far stronger than getting something. Its all about the cat & mouse. The more you dont get something the more you want something. The bags are only exclusive & in low volumes because they want it that way. Im sure they could knock out loads a bags if they wanted too like other brands.
I have more of a relationship with my local supermarket checkout guy. He is friendly, cool with me buying whatever, tells me about produce they will be getting on sale, been around for at least 10 years, genuinely wants to know how I am doing and what’s going on around town. Much better than the Hermes employees.
I truly believe that this “journey “ mentality that Hermès is trying to sell is a direct response to resellers walking in and buying a grail bag and reselling the next day on the preloved market. Hermès wants to make it difficult for resellers to acquire them and so they make it difficult for EVERYONE to acquire them. Somebody at the company just had to invent a strategy to counteract that and the “journey “ is how they chose to spin it. That psychology also makes it possible to get customers to buy other items in the store in order to earn the “privilege” of scoring a desirable bag. Of course I am not speaking about regular Hermès customers who are interested in the brand as a whole and are frequent shoppers. I might be interested in one of their bags if I could go in and have a normal shopping experience of looking at the merchandise, trying it on, choosing a color and asking the price. I don’t haggle and don’t expect a sale. I’m willing to pay for what I want. Their game, however, I will not play.
I refuse to dress up to an approval stamp from the cashiers of any store. I’m sorry, I’m thinking if you work at an Hermes store you probably can’t afford to shop at an Hermes store😂
CHANEL is a fashion house. Their ready to wear, and haute couture lines are desirable . You are right. You come in the store, you got the money, the item is available, they sell it to you. (it doesn't mean you will be able to find inventory at your local boutique, when they are out, it is because they are really sold out.,
And sometimes they just don't have all pieces because the specific boutique you go to might just not have ordered the piece you are looking for. Usually only 31 Rue Cambon orders the entire collection but other boutiques select only some pieces from each collection because they are either smaller boutiques or because they get allocated smaller buying budgets and have to buy wisely.
"Exotics - ain't gonna happen." Same, Dacob, same 😊. Btw, I, too love Hermès (I mean "the other stuff", like their SLGs, Twillys, and so on) - and I like the Kelly, even before I knew it was called a Kelly at this time (I think I was about 10 years old and saw a picture of Grace Kelly with that bag 😉). The Birkin I DON'T like, it is not structured enough for me, and I hate how people wear it (with the flap inside the bag - it looks like the flap has been ripped off 😖!)
Yeah, the Birkin... I feel, in order to be appreciated, one needs to love how bohemian it actually is. One needs to let it go and allow it to soften its shape and to lose the boxiness. Only when really used does the Birkin start looking good to me. The Kelly, on the other hand, is the boxy one that looks great when stiff as a rock. Haha
@@SuperDacob Yes, I think you're right about that 😊! All my bags are pretty structured, I simply don't like the "slouchy" look with my bags - so I would prefer the Kelly Sellier, not the Retourne. But in general, getting a Birkin or Kelly just because of prestige / image / showing off, if you don't like (more or less) anything else from the brand - that I don't get. And it was mentioned before, Hermès is not the only brand which does handmade pieces - Delvaux and Moynat already have been named, I would add Valextra (an Italian brand) to these; very nice quality, too! So if someone wants to have good quality, but doesn't want to play the Hermès "Game" ("Journey" really is a strange word, I'd be interested who came up with this first 😅!) - these brands do have heritage, and they make great quality bags 🤗!
I also wonder who came up with the journey name for the Hermes spending spree. LOL! Maybe it was a customer or maybe... just maybe, it could have been the marketing team itself... but of course, all this is just speculation. haha.
The artificial scarcity is a real bought into epidemic 🤦🏻♀️. So many have been trapped into believing, these manufactured items are rare, it’s a business model that works though. Making consumers believe something is hard to get, find and afford has been adopted by each of the luxury houses. I love Chanel very much, but they do raffles too (at least in department store boutiques) for popular items. This was a great video Dacob!
There is an entire community of people who purchase items from Hermes and then turn around and immediately resell them. Sometimes for a little less than retail. All that in an effort to build up a history to one day be offered a B or K.
This is why I say if I had that kind of money, I'd just buy Chanel. At least with Chanel, I can buy what I want instead of basically playing Handbag Roulette.
It was so not easy to get my Chanel small black caviar with gold hardware. It took a very long time. I got it on Sunday in the boutique finally! I totally feel like it was a journey.😂
I’m sure one could make a psychological argument about being “accepted” or “making it’ when purchasing a luxury item but there are people who appreciate quality and workmanship whether it be in purchasing a home, car, clothing, jewelry, or even a tool for one’s workshop or utensil for the kitchen.The time, design and effort that goes into creating these pieces should be considered into the price. I am not speaking about or justifying Hermès or any particular brand but quality purchases across the board. Personally, I buy classic pieces in all categories and tend to keep them for many years. In the end, cost per wear/use makes it worth the price plus I love what is mine regardless of the price ( and I have the raggedy old, comfortable clothing to prove it.) I also have a Jones of New York blouse I bought in college and saved for weeks to buy (1969 on sale) that looks like the day I purchased it. I guess what I’m saying is buy what brings you joy because YOU like it NOT as blackmail to get something else and then don’t look back or listen to others. This is my first visit to your channel and it won’t be the last- very enjoyable, honest, and informative, a new subscriber from NJ, USA.
Honestly, I love most of Hermes brand, jewellery, slippers, scarfs perfumes etc and don’t mind the journey at all. I usually like to bubble buy my designer items anyway so it’s cool with me. Although the journey is a bit annoying.
If you don’t like their RTW and Jewelry and fashion Jewelry it’s very difficult to get their BKC….if you like their other items then the bag would come eventually. For those who only after their bag can easily get one from resell market, why bother to go the store route
21:42 - so true !! I personally don't like the Hermes aesthetic and apart from rodéos 🤩 or kitchen items (only products from the brand I personally find whimsical and appealing), the rest does not grab my attention. I do want a personalized birkin 🤞(no K or C for me ❌) but only from the store because I want to have the full H experience 💝. However, I am not even embarking onto a Hermes journey because I don't find enough Hermes products I love to keep me going in that journey. I also refuse to buy things just for my birkin profile. The Birkin is still as part of my wishlist and I am not sure if it will ever be fulfilled but I have other brands until then 😉.
I take a lot of your points about the insanity of the journey. But on the flip side I wonder what else is Hermès to do? -They can’t produce enough bags to fulfill demand -They could raise price to insane amounts to reduce the demand, but a lot of even very wealthy people won’t buy bags that are clearly priced far outside of their value (eg $20-30K for a Togo Birkin) -They could offer the bags first-come first-serve, which I suppose is most Democratic, but then their regular customers will often be left with nothing, since resellers who can devote all their time going to stores will get the most inventory. I see the “journey” more as a way to make sure they offer a limited amount of available bags to regular or valued customers… certainly not perfect. Anyone buying shit they don’t like just to score a BKC is wasting their money. Go online/preloved!
There are at least 3 bags that I like more than the Birkin and the Kelly. Actually the Birkin is nice, but I don't like the Kelly at all, looks like a briefcase to me. 1. Jypsiere 2. Dilla Cavalleria 3. Constance (I am not sure if I got the names right...)
I'm going to film my Coach journey and my Michael Kors journey 🤣. Then I'm going to film my journey of the thousands of dollars I saved and my journey of actually having $ left over to put in my bag. 🤣 Lord how insane do you have to be to spend that amount of money on a purse. Yeah they got Berkins but when they are off camera they probably been eating chicken flavored Ramen Noodles for a year after buying a Hermes bag. As for me I will enjoy my Coach and Michael Kors bags with a filet mignon at a nice restaurant on occasion.
Good point Dacob. 👍 Why would someone who earn a commission at Hermes has power over a customer? Why beg from someone who judges you? Go buy your some self -respect!!
I buy at Hermes whenever I think there is quality, the scarves for example. They will last my whole life. I could pick some edgy pieces (hard enough, as I am not into color or grandma design). People can walk into Hermes, spent tons of money and walk out with tasteless shit. Whatever...nice talk, appreciate this.
This is only 3rd video ive watched of yours, I'm over here happy with $400 Michael Kors🤣🤣 too rich for my blood..keep us the amazing entertaining videos
I saw the beautiful neck piece and said yep, people will be read today😂. I'm just waiting for 21A to hit stores so I can see what Clutches I can buy :) Thanks for your input as always Darling.
No its not. The 5 year warranty is for ALL bags purchased from April 2021 onwards and WOCs. The two CHANEL pouch bags I got in April and May both came with the 5 year warranty too. What you read on the website is referring to older bags that are no longer under warranty. CHANEL claims they can fix up your older bags too if they are the classics and in black leather, but that is a different service and it costs. xoxo
Only thing i like with hermes is evelyn. Goes well with jeans. The rest is hard to use like i get more stressed than happiness using it specially the birkin not user friendly cant even place alot because it will deform the bag LOL nevermind.
Let’s be honest people want a Birkin or a Kelly purely for the exclusivity of them! I look at them at think 🤷🏼♀️ don’t see what the fuss is about they’re a basic looking bag 💼 yes the leather maybe amazing blah, blah, blah but it I don’t look at them and think wow 🤩 that is stunning I just think 🤔 how many other things could I buy with that money that when I look at them I’m like 😍😍😍😍
You are as always so right about Hermes.35/40 years ago if you went into an Hermes you would only see people of a certain age from bourgeois parts of town Chelsea,upper east side,Hancock park various arrondisment ( depending on your city) and absolutely no one under 40.🖤🖤
I’ll stick with my Teddy Blake’s and Senreve’s 😂 But seriously I have an Hermes belt, a few perfumes that I so love and a scarf(gift) and that’s it. I might get another belt in a different color but a hand bag? I think not…birkin & Kelly?maybe never :)
Thats a good question sito M! It would appear that the mini is not included but to be sure I would ask your sales associate because I have not received confirmation either way on the mini WOCs... but I would love for them to be included...
Dacob how old are u? U look definitely no older than very,very early thirties like 30-31 ish and to be honest I thought more late twenties but then you said u had a job u needed boots 10-15 years ago and I’m like WHAT!
The Birkin is quite impractical, too heavy. I feel the bag is for rich old ladies who are going from their car to somewhere so show off briefly so the weight of the bag is not much of an issue. The Kelly on the other hand, I really like when they are worn out in the original leather, not the pebbly look.
I prefer the Kelly too, for the fact alone that one has the option to add a strap as well. ;) but I prefer the look of the Birkin when it wears in and loses its shape. ;)
Chanel quality is not even close to Hermes the Hermes h slides are very desirable. Those two bags are alone put them ahead of Chanel. I own one Kelly 28 and a Hermes 30. I also have 3 Chanel 2 classics flaps and boy bag the boy bag is dead now what a waste of money
The magic word that made me think 🤔: Design. I would go further and say:innovation. Other brands seem to try to balance them with tradition. Hermès is not the only luxury traditional brand with lots and lots of history. Of course brands are entitled to their marketing strategies and we are free to say: No thank you.
If I go to a store to buy shoes I don’t want to buy a wallet, scarfe, perfume, blankets, bracelets, necklace before I can get the shoes I need or want. That’s just ridiculous 🙄 a bag is no different. What a stupid game H is playing, I don’t wish to judge people but those who justify playing this game are just sad really. Also, I would never pay $10K for a $100 bag, however I would pay up 3-4K for a well made leather bag that will last me a lifetime.
Yes animal farm and 1984 those are the best and we are living them both 😳😂 are we sure that this brand not created by politicians ppl dont like to hear the truth 😳🤪 sounds the same strategy😝💕
I agree with you in everything you say. But I think the bags are great investment, I thought I was convincing my self but this year I was in a terrible financial position so I had to sell many of my stuff and I got many of my money back + profit even after using them. Even more than my stocks ... chanel is included as much as I hated their sale increase each year it turnout to be beneficial for me , I also sold with profit. But the journey is so tiring it is not worth it. 😅 I shared your video with the cult 😂 I want them to face the truth.
17:30 that's easy. To all these die hard H fans who tend belittle you and come after you once you even dare thinking about Hermès not beeing the Godsent shop (pun intended): would you rather buy a Hermès share or a LVMH share? Rest my case.
love your Kelly choker! H had a new version on website in past months! FYI - hermes is a publicly traded company hence how LVMH (in part via Dior actually) tried to sneak in and actually got in trouble - the H family members joined forces with their shares of over 51% thus have control and majority stake, totally different than Chanel - Bernard Arnault of LVMH is the richest person with about 190 BILLION! you need to watch purseonfleek's video, titled, hermes made me cry - you will feel like you (well, her) went to coo-coo town! love ya babe! here is link, grab the popcorn! ua-cam.com/video/slLU_qtgKKg/v-deo.html
lol what type of job did you have that you needed cowboy boots in python leather :D haha. I can't look at bags as investments. I would rather invest in markets where majority will need the item and that item will grow in value overtime. Only a few people will have the ability AND DESIRE to drop 10-30k on a bag. Top 15% of earners are probably able to have enough disposable income to drop money on a bag, but I would argue a small percentage of the 15% have a desire to buy a 10-30k bag. Ok, off my soapbox now. :D
I will never play this game, this is so off putting!I like several things in Hermes but will not buy them because of this game! I can’t understand the people can call this Hermes recked a “journey”! This is just BS!Not for me!
There is a giant problem here. Elephant in the room. The problem is resellers. They get the goods at Hermès and then buy loads of Kelly’s and Burkins. and resell for real profit. Rules on resellers are now starting in the USA. One rule is you can only buy one bag every three months. Hope this is true!
LOL. We are talking about a bag, right? Made from the cut up skin of a dead cow? And people are looking to the ownership of some dead cow skin sack as validation of their worth as humans? Just wanted to say it out loud. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have said this before and I am saying it again....I don't know how Hermes gets away with this when the baker got sued and lost for refusing to sell something to a specific person. I am surprised someone hasn't sued them. It would be interesting to see their numbers on the sales to specific groups (white versus other). It's a model that makes it easy to hide racism, sexism, elitism, etc. I don't see how they get away with what they do in this day and age.
It's not a journey. It's a spending spree.
You're such a fascinating human being. Absolutely fascinating how you approach "superficial" temes in such deep, intelligent and poetic way, it amazes me every single time. Didn't even know that was possible.
Thank you Lèa F 🙏🏻😊🌈💖💗
Another great follow up! To the person who was wondering the true cost of the bags, I have seen an artisan leather smith of 20 years produce a birkin dupe and sell it for $100. Keep in mind he is also making a profit!
Exactly! Xoxo
Sure, but I would be careful implying that anyone could make a living off those numbers. I'm not sure how many hours it took him to produce the bag, but if we're saying the general time of 18 hours for a "standard" birkin, before even taking into account cost of materials, he would be making $5.55 an hour, which is not anywhere near a living wage. Assuming the cost of the leather, metal pieces, etc is low, let's say, 20 bucks, that's more like 4.44 per hour. I'm all for knowing the actual value of materials and the markup, but also as an artist I think it's important to highlight the worth of the artisan's labor.
@@Sarah_RDG I wonder how much Hermes pays their artisans. Im sure its a tiny percentage of the bag price.
@@Sarah_RDG once labour and materials are added up, I’m being way over generous in thinking $1000. That’s $29,000 profit 😳 at a guess
only 20mins in and you've already thrown so much shade at Hermes i am DYIINGGGG 😂
Dacob you’re a gem 💎. I always love listening to you analyze things at a deeper and more intelligent level 👌
Thank you Alison
There is nothing like Hermès ties and scarves. They are amazing and I think women must keep dreaming of the Birkin and Kelly. So many people are buying Birkins and Kellys if those are sustaining y brand. I love Chanel I love Hermès. I sold recently a Chanel wallet bought a very good price in Paris a de bought an Hermès one for £11,000. Chanel has never had one that expensive.
It’s pretty ingenious that Hermès manages gaslighting customers that label the con as a “journey” and can’t wait to announce it to EVERYONE. 😂
Never thought I'd hear "rachet ho" and "Hemes aesthetic" in the same sentence :D! A great discussion here, really enjoyed the video :)
I know a couple people who have been offered birkin with no shopping history or very little history, but you can’t be picky and usually it’s the bags that most of the clientele refused or didn’t want. But also I wanted to point out that during the pandemic they were handing out Birkins like now it’s business at the Madison Avenue boutique, so they aren’t that rare as they claim.
Those are good points Hamed! Thank you for sharing.
I’am a social worker but that doesn’t mean you know what’s on my bankaccount. I shop when I love something. If you don’t want me, fine ! I spend my money elsewhere 👀
C’mon people, we may love luxury brands. But let’s not tie our whole identity to a brand to the point we feel personally attacked when someone criticizes them.
Thank you Dacob for all myriad of interesting topics of discussion that you come up regarding luxury.
I was getting a bit tired of the endless unboxings in some youtube channels which stopped making sense for me after a while. You have a good mix of chats, discussions, reviews of products, unboxings which make it more interesting and informative as well. Love you and your channel
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Thank you so much Deedee 🙏🏻🌈🥰😘♥️🌺
For me Hermes is silk scarfs
I love what you said about that "snobb " thing. I have Farandole bracelet and I love it.
I love love your honesty about this! Keep going, so necessary & great!
Also congrats on 40k😀👏💗
I'm new here! Love your content! I would be super interested to see you do a video about mid-luxury bags. I will always love my Chanel but started buying and looking at some brands like Brahim and my heart has fallen in love with them too! Sure...the status vibe isn't as strong but if you don't care about that...these lesser known mid luxury bag are equally or more gorgeous! Most have suburb customer service too. I will only by pre loved Hermès anymore because of these gross business practices. I love their equestrian tack...because I'm an equestrian. I want to spend my "journey" on meaningful things that make a difference for others. I do my spending quietly and love my friends and family loudly.
I LOVE you have the bit "kinky" Hermes whip! haha - I want one too!
I love the two Hermès bags but also their scarfs wallets shoes sneakers adore their belts.
I love the house of hermes and am happy to buy new and Preloved, for Me the craftsmanship is unmatched and that is what I find attractive.
You are my favorite!! I love your views on just about everything you touch on. I honestly cannot agree more. I've seen a few pieces from Hermès (twillys, scarves mostly) that I thought were beautiful...but I do not like the Hermès game. Much rather feed into my YSL and Chanel obsessions. Why? I love how I've been treated at Chanel. I genuinely felt like a valued human. I felt like my money was good enough. And YSL, I love what Yves did for the fashion industry as a whole. I love his passions. These are names I stand by.
Hermès has a rich history, but their game kills my interest in purchasing.
Thank you for your thoughts on this!
Thank you for your comment Indigo Girl! Very well written. I also feel comfortable at CHANEL. Its not always an easy ride either but there always seems to be a happy ending there... at the end of the CHANEL rainbow! Haha!
@@SuperDacob I must agree. When we stop feeling like the valued customer that we are, I feel we are a customer at the wrong place. I feel there's a lot of negative experiences associated with Hermès..unfortunately, I have been hearing these stories for years. What a shame to go into a luxury store and feel you cannot purchase what you truly want...that there's a chance you may have to purchase things beforehand, you aren't necessarily there for. Not my type of luxury experience.
Its a slippery slope for sure but I think a lot of the HERMES experience as a customer depends on one's own mindset and goals. If one loves their products in general, then the experience will probably be much more fun. If one, on the other hand, is just into Hermes for the two bags, then the frustration begins and I feel like sales associates can smell it out as well... you know... the desperation! LOL! Like dogs can smell out fear! The SAs could smell out the desperation for a Kelly and a Birkin! LOL! And that smell ain't pretty ;)
@@SuperDacob you are absolutely right!! Mindset and goals in the experience overall, means everything. And that the SA's can probably smell the desperation lol. Too much truth..I know that when I walk into a store, I want to feel in control of my purchase, no matter where I may be. I've heard of the unicorn people that were able to buy a Birkin with no problem, and that's great if that was their goal. I'd personally rather get my Chanel bag :) I personally find them so much more eye catching and approachable, at a much more reasonable price.
That's so true...I couldn't name any of their bags except Birkin or Kelly. Never thought about that until you said it lol
It tells us a lot about the brand in a way... ;)
I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion video and hearing everyone’s comments..P.S. I squealed when you read my comment like a total fan girl lol 😂
Thank you dear. And thanks for the great comment!
Same!!!
I agree with you 100%. I love your honesty and openness on this.
I do like some Hermès items, but I will never play the H game. To each its own, but I personally think the desperation that I see some of these people show in order to be offered a birkin, kelly or Constance in store is sad. Ended up going the resell market for my first kelly and birkin this past year.
Thank you Eyecandy.
i 100% disagree with the comment saying „look rich and you will be treated rich“.
i think people that „look rich“ aren’t necessarily the people that really have tons of money. a billionaire, who really has money, doesnt care anymore often and spending their days in sweatpants. so even if you look like earning 25k a year doesnt mean you dont have money. and the hermes employees also know that.
How is it a journey?? Clever marketing more like! I’d never refer to my relationship with my supermarket as a journey. Im not grateful for my supermarket to accept me as a customer. I don’t class my self as lucky that they allow me to buy my milk & bread from them. Nor do I regard anyone at my supermarket as a ‘friend’ or have some relationship with them. Hermes have got some weird reverse phycology marketing going on & it obviously works. Why is Hermes different from every other retailer on the planet?? Because it clearly works thats why. The physical emotion of NOT getting something is far stronger than getting something. Its all about the cat & mouse. The more you dont get something the more you want something. The bags are only exclusive & in low volumes because they want it that way. Im sure they could knock out loads a bags if they wanted too like other brands.
I have more of a relationship with my local supermarket checkout guy. He is friendly, cool with me buying whatever, tells me about produce they will be getting on sale, been around for at least 10 years, genuinely wants to know how I am doing and what’s going on around town. Much better than the Hermes employees.
I truly believe that this “journey “ mentality that Hermès is trying to sell is a direct response to resellers walking in and buying a grail bag and reselling the next day on the preloved market. Hermès wants to make it difficult for resellers to acquire them and so they make it difficult for EVERYONE to acquire them. Somebody at the company just had to invent a strategy to counteract that and the “journey “ is how they chose to spin it. That psychology also makes it possible to get customers to buy other items in the store in order to earn the “privilege” of scoring a desirable bag. Of course I am not speaking about regular Hermès customers who are interested in the brand as a whole and are frequent shoppers. I might be interested in one of their bags if I could go in and have a normal shopping experience of looking at the merchandise, trying it on, choosing a color and asking the price. I don’t haggle and don’t expect a sale. I’m willing to pay for what I want. Their game, however, I will not play.
I refuse to dress up to an approval stamp from the cashiers of any store. I’m sorry, I’m thinking if you work at an Hermes store you probably can’t afford to shop at an Hermes store😂
Those bags are beautiful. The pívot in is horrible so the one with the perforated H
Love your style and that rad choker! I wish they still made chokers, it seems like a no-brainer for Hermes.
CHANEL is a fashion house. Their ready to wear, and haute couture lines are desirable . You are right. You come in the store, you got the money, the item is available, they sell it to you. (it doesn't mean you will be able to find inventory at your local boutique, when they are out, it is because they are really sold out.,
And sometimes they just don't have all pieces because the specific boutique you go to might just not have ordered the piece you are looking for. Usually only 31 Rue Cambon orders the entire collection but other boutiques select only some pieces from each collection because they are either smaller boutiques or because they get allocated smaller buying budgets and have to buy wisely.
Great video Dacob, its important to talk about pros AND cons
Thank you Holly Grace dear!
the necklace (beltlace?) is so intriguing and yet confusing to me lmao
A Kelly necklace is from 2009/10 and was designed by Gaultier when he was the AD at HERMES.
“Girl, get an education” loved it to bits! 👏👏👏💖
Haha! Thank you Kristina!
@@SuperDacob you are welcome!🙏
I am really enjoying you and your way of thinking! ! If that is ok to say ;)
And actually Hermes sold Shang Xia at the end of 2020….so they no longer cater to the Chinese market, Shang Xia still does but not Hermes🤷🏻♀️
I love this Dacob... ‘I can live with it...can you..?!’ Just brilliant 🤣❤️
haha! Thank you Liza!
"Exotics - ain't gonna happen." Same, Dacob, same 😊.
Btw, I, too love Hermès (I mean "the other stuff", like their SLGs, Twillys, and so on) - and I like the Kelly, even before I knew it was called a Kelly at this time (I think I was about 10 years old and saw a picture of Grace Kelly with that bag 😉). The Birkin I DON'T like, it is not structured enough for me, and I hate how people wear it (with the flap inside the bag - it looks like the flap has been ripped off 😖!)
Yeah, the Birkin... I feel, in order to be appreciated, one needs to love how bohemian it actually is. One needs to let it go and allow it to soften its shape and to lose the boxiness. Only when really used does the Birkin start looking good to me. The Kelly, on the other hand, is the boxy one that looks great when stiff as a rock. Haha
@@SuperDacob Yes, I think you're right about that 😊! All my bags are pretty structured, I simply don't like the "slouchy" look with my bags - so I would prefer the Kelly Sellier, not the Retourne.
But in general, getting a Birkin or Kelly just because of prestige / image / showing off, if you don't like (more or less) anything else from the brand - that I don't get.
And it was mentioned before, Hermès is not the only brand which does handmade pieces - Delvaux and Moynat already have been named, I would add Valextra (an Italian brand) to these; very nice quality, too! So if someone wants to have good quality, but doesn't want to play the Hermès "Game" ("Journey" really is a strange word, I'd be interested who came up with this first 😅!) - these brands do have heritage, and they make great quality bags 🤗!
I also wonder who came up with the journey name for the Hermes spending spree. LOL! Maybe it was a customer or maybe... just maybe, it could have been the marketing team itself... but of course, all this is just speculation. haha.
@@SuperDacob Haha, that would be hilarious 😂😂😂! Love this theory 😉💕!
The artificial scarcity is a real bought into epidemic 🤦🏻♀️. So many have been trapped into believing, these manufactured items are rare, it’s a business model that works though. Making consumers believe something is hard to get, find and afford has been adopted by each of the luxury houses. I love Chanel very much, but they do raffles too (at least in department store boutiques) for popular items. This was a great video Dacob!
Thank you dear.
Love their scarves and capes.
There is an entire community of people who purchase items from Hermes and then turn around and immediately resell them. Sometimes for a little less than retail. All that in an effort to build up a history to one day be offered a B or K.
Great video as always and agree with everything you said!
Thank you Funny Music.
This is why I say if I had that kind of money, I'd just buy Chanel. At least with Chanel, I can buy what I want instead of basically playing Handbag Roulette.
True
It was so not easy to get my Chanel small black caviar with gold hardware. It took a very long time. I got it on Sunday in the boutique finally! I totally feel like it was a journey.😂
People ultimately like what is not good for them long term.
I’m sure one could make a psychological argument about being “accepted” or “making it’ when purchasing a luxury item but there are people who appreciate quality and workmanship whether it be in purchasing a home, car, clothing, jewelry, or even a tool for one’s workshop or utensil for the kitchen.The time, design and effort that goes into creating these pieces should be considered into the price. I am not speaking about or justifying Hermès or any particular brand but quality purchases across the board. Personally, I buy classic pieces in all categories and tend to keep them for many years. In the end, cost per wear/use makes it worth the price plus I love what is mine regardless of the price ( and I have the raggedy old, comfortable clothing to prove it.) I also have a Jones of New York blouse I bought in college and saved for weeks to buy (1969 on sale) that looks like the day I purchased it. I guess what I’m saying is buy what brings you joy because YOU like it NOT as blackmail to get something else and then don’t look back or listen to others. This is my first visit to your channel and it won’t be the last- very enjoyable, honest, and informative, a new subscriber from NJ, USA.
Honestly, I love most of Hermes brand, jewellery, slippers, scarfs perfumes etc and don’t mind the journey at all. I usually like to bubble buy my designer items anyway so it’s cool with me. Although the journey is a bit annoying.
Herme-e-e-e-e-s drama, it is always a lot of fun haha
yep! Always it! LOL!
you're awesome Dacob!
If you don’t like their RTW and Jewelry and fashion Jewelry it’s very difficult to get their BKC….if you like their other items then the bag would come eventually. For those who only after their bag can easily get one from resell market, why bother to go the store route
21:42 - so true !! I personally don't like the Hermes aesthetic and apart from rodéos 🤩 or kitchen items (only products from the brand I personally find whimsical and appealing), the rest does not grab my attention. I do want a personalized birkin 🤞(no K or C for me ❌) but only from the store because I want to have the full H experience 💝. However, I am not even embarking onto a Hermes journey because I don't find enough Hermes products I love to keep me going in that journey. I also refuse to buy things just for my birkin profile. The Birkin is still as part of my wishlist and I am not sure if it will ever be fulfilled but I have other brands until then 😉.
Golden cage. You nailed it
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I take a lot of your points about the insanity of the journey. But on the flip side I wonder what else is Hermès to do?
-They can’t produce enough bags to fulfill demand
-They could raise price to insane amounts to reduce the demand, but a lot of even very wealthy people won’t buy bags that are clearly priced far outside of their value (eg $20-30K for a Togo Birkin)
-They could offer the bags first-come first-serve, which I suppose is most Democratic, but then their regular customers will often be left with nothing, since resellers who can devote all their time going to stores will get the most inventory.
I see the “journey” more as a way to make sure they offer a limited amount of available bags to regular or valued customers… certainly not perfect. Anyone buying shit they don’t like just to score a BKC is wasting their money. Go online/preloved!
I see new t shirt theme -“Never give up on Hermes journey” 😝 or who needs love when you have Hermes 🤪🤣 have a blessed day Dacob🙏💕
Haha! Good one!
There are at least 3 bags that I like more than the Birkin and the Kelly.
Actually the Birkin is nice, but I don't like the Kelly at all, looks like a briefcase to me.
1. Jypsiere
2. Dilla Cavalleria
3. Constance
(I am not sure if I got the names right...)
I'm going to film my Coach journey and my Michael Kors journey 🤣. Then I'm going to film my journey of the thousands of dollars I saved and my journey of actually having $ left over to put in my bag. 🤣 Lord how insane do you have to be to spend that amount of money on a purse. Yeah they got Berkins but when they are off camera they probably been eating chicken flavored Ramen Noodles for a year after buying a Hermes bag. As for me I will enjoy my Coach and Michael Kors bags with a filet mignon at a nice restaurant on occasion.
Tell It like it is Dacob!
Thank you dear!
Good point Dacob. 👍 Why would someone who earn a commission at Hermes has power over a customer? Why beg from someone who judges you? Go buy your some self -respect!!
I buy at Hermes whenever I think there is quality, the scarves for example. They will last my whole life. I could pick some edgy pieces (hard enough, as I am not into color or grandma design). People can walk into Hermes, spent tons of money and walk out with tasteless shit. Whatever...nice talk, appreciate this.
This is only 3rd video ive watched of yours, I'm over here happy with $400 Michael Kors🤣🤣 too rich for my blood..keep us the amazing entertaining videos
Cheers dear! Its all in the style.
I saw the beautiful neck piece and said yep, people will be read today😂. I'm just waiting for 21A to hit stores so I can see what Clutches I can buy :) Thanks for your input as always Darling.
The Chanel new warranty is only on classic black bags according to the website details.
No its not. The 5 year warranty is for ALL bags purchased from April 2021 onwards and WOCs. The two CHANEL pouch bags I got in April and May both came with the 5 year warranty too. What you read on the website is referring to older bags that are no longer under warranty. CHANEL claims they can fix up your older bags too if they are the classics and in black leather, but that is a different service and it costs. xoxo
Very nice coverage
Only thing i like with hermes is evelyn. Goes well with jeans. The rest is hard to use like i get more stressed than happiness using it specially the birkin not user friendly cant even place alot because it will deform the bag LOL nevermind.
Let’s be honest people want a Birkin or a Kelly purely for the exclusivity of them! I look at them at think 🤷🏼♀️ don’t see what the fuss is about they’re a basic looking bag 💼 yes the leather maybe amazing blah, blah, blah but it I don’t look at them and think wow 🤩 that is stunning I just think 🤔 how many other things could I buy with that money that when I look at them I’m like 😍😍😍😍
You are as always so right about Hermes.35/40 years ago if you went into an Hermes you would only see people of a certain age from bourgeois parts of town Chelsea,upper east side,Hancock park various arrondisment ( depending on your city) and absolutely no one under 40.🖤🖤
Yeah.. Hermes is in its own golden cage...
I’ll stick with my Teddy Blake’s and Senreve’s 😂
But seriously I have an Hermes belt, a few perfumes that I so love and a scarf(gift) and that’s it. I might get another belt in a different color but a hand bag? I think not…birkin & Kelly?maybe never :)
THANKS FOR SHARING. YOUR A MIND OPENER TO BEGINNERS. CONGRATULATIONS..👍👍👍👍👍🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂.......
Jacob, is the chanel mini wallet on chain included on the five years warranty?
Thats a good question sito M! It would appear that the mini is not included but to be sure I would ask your sales associate because I have not received confirmation either way on the mini WOCs... but I would love for them to be included...
that one response re: "exotics" - gurl WHET kind of response....did she hear herself?
Dacob how old are u? U look definitely no older than very,very early thirties like 30-31 ish and to be honest I thought more late twenties but then you said u had a job u needed boots 10-15 years ago and I’m like WHAT!
The Birkin is quite impractical, too heavy. I feel the bag is for rich old ladies who are going from their car to somewhere so show off briefly so the weight of the bag is not much of an issue. The Kelly on the other hand, I really like when they are worn out in the original leather, not the pebbly look.
I prefer the Kelly too, for the fact alone that one has the option to add a strap as well. ;) but I prefer the look of the Birkin when it wears in and loses its shape. ;)
@@SuperDacob you can probably handle the Birkin weight just fine.
Oh sure. I could handle the weight. That was not my issue at all. I just like the thought of the Kelly having also the option of a strap.
@@SuperDacob depending on who you are they make you a Birkin with additional straps not many have been made but there are a few unique ones
Im sure this man is a vampire. He’s super pale, super cute, obviously wealthy, smart, wise. Yeah you’re not fooling anyone son.
Chanel quality is not even close to Hermes the Hermes h slides are very desirable. Those two bags are alone put them ahead of Chanel. I own one Kelly 28 and a Hermes 30. I also have 3 Chanel 2 classics flaps and boy bag the boy bag is dead now what a waste of money
I do love this honest video. 🙏🏼 The “journey” is not for everyone. ©️©️have a waitlist like H too. I love both brands so I don’t mind. Im happy with what I have. Thanks for always sharing my love! ❤️😘😘😘Sandy
The magic word that made me think 🤔: Design. I would go further and say:innovation. Other brands seem to try to balance them with tradition. Hermès is not the only luxury traditional brand with lots and lots of history. Of course brands are entitled to their marketing strategies and we are free to say: No thank you.
I hate those H sandals!
I love the Animal Farm
Once I was at that event and I saw Kelly, I saw Birkin. And wasn’t a fresh or modern look at all. It is not exclusive for sure.
I think the birkin is beautiful
For example in this video, you mentioned you didn't like kelly and birkin. and you didn't want them.
If I go to a store to buy shoes I don’t want to buy a wallet, scarfe, perfume, blankets, bracelets, necklace before I can get the shoes I need or want. That’s just ridiculous 🙄 a bag is no different. What a stupid game H is playing, I don’t wish to judge people but those who justify playing this game are just sad really. Also, I would never pay $10K for a $100 bag, however I would pay up 3-4K for a well made leather bag that will last me a lifetime.
Something I hate from Chanel is that they have bags make in Italy which quality is so inferior! Unacceptable for me.
What accent does he have?
Yassss exposeeeee
Yes animal farm and 1984 those are the best and we are living them both 😳😂 are we sure that this brand not created by politicians ppl dont like to hear the truth 😳🤪 sounds the same strategy😝💕
Thank you and yes... sounds very much like the same game! haha.
I'm so glad you don't support exotic leathers. ❤️
Tarot cards!!!!!????? Had no idea!😃 💌
I agree with you in everything you say. But I think the bags are great investment, I thought I was convincing my self but this year I was in a terrible financial position so I had to sell many of my stuff and I got many of my money back + profit even after using them. Even more than my stocks ... chanel is included as much as I hated their sale increase each year it turnout to be beneficial for me , I also sold with profit. But the journey is so tiring it is not worth it. 😅 I shared your video with the cult 😂 I want them to face the truth.
17:30 that's easy. To all these die hard H fans who tend belittle you and come after you once you even dare thinking about Hermès not beeing the Godsent shop (pun intended): would you rather buy a Hermès share or a LVMH share? Rest my case.
The journey is Hermes draining your bank account😂🤑NO THANKS
love your Kelly choker! H had a new version on website in past months! FYI - hermes is a publicly traded company hence how LVMH (in part via Dior actually) tried to sneak in and actually got in trouble - the H family members joined forces with their shares of over 51% thus have control and majority stake, totally different than Chanel - Bernard Arnault of LVMH is the richest person with about 190 BILLION! you need to watch purseonfleek's video, titled, hermes made me cry - you will feel like you (well, her) went to coo-coo town! love ya babe! here is link, grab the popcorn! ua-cam.com/video/slLU_qtgKKg/v-deo.html
lol what type of job did you have that you needed cowboy boots in python leather :D haha. I can't look at bags as investments. I would rather invest in markets where majority will need the item and that item will grow in value overtime. Only a few people will have the ability AND DESIRE to drop 10-30k on a bag. Top 15% of earners are probably able to have enough disposable income to drop money on a bag, but I would argue a small percentage of the 15% have a desire to buy a 10-30k bag. Ok, off my soapbox now. :D
I will never play this game, this is so off putting!I like several things in Hermes but will not buy them because of this game! I can’t understand the people can call this Hermes recked a “journey”! This is just BS!Not for me!
There is a giant problem here. Elephant in the room. The problem is resellers. They get the goods at Hermès and then buy loads of Kelly’s and Burkins. and resell for real profit. Rules on resellers are now starting in the USA. One rule is you can only buy one bag every three months. Hope this is true!
If Hermes didn't have this stupid game people wouldn't buy from resellers. They can't complain.
your necklace 😂
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LOL. We are talking about a bag, right? Made from the cut up skin of a dead cow?
And people are looking to the ownership of some dead cow skin sack as validation of their worth as humans?
Just wanted to say it out loud.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Seriously, having a journey in getting a bag? Get a grip!