I've been using the soft-body acrylic versions of this line for a month now. Really like them. I'd go so far as to say that the black and the white have become my default choice. They mix better than any other paint line I've used. They last on a wet palette for ages (like days), don't separate in the bottle as much as normal mini line paints and they're pretty affordable in either the 22 or 60 ml sizes in most art shops. These are probably going to be my first choice for replacing colours going forwards.
I'm right there with you. I always keep Their Titanium White, Ivory Black and Mars Black handy for mixing. Mars Black Mixes toward the warm spectrum and it black black. Ivory mixes down to a cool grey and is much more dillute, both handy for different purposes. 👍
I was just thinking the same. I've barely seen any reviews for these so I felt maybe I shouldn't jump ship but this definitely makes me feel better about branching off from mini paints. The best part about these are they are in most art/hobby stores and come in a variety of sets. Also love the larger sized bottles, definitely should last a long time
Have been using them for a while, and agree completely with your review. They are so smooth to paint with, its like silk. I find wet blending with them highly enjoyable.
Thank you for reviewing acrylic gouache paints! I really enjoy your reviews, since you convey a genuine sense of curiosity about the products and are open to working with the products strengths and weaknesses, instead of just comparing it to a different product, with which you might have infinitely more experience.
I appreciate the details of the music on the sign off. Thanks Vince, your videos are a service to the hobby. When we build the hall of fame for mini painting I will lobby for it to be called the Vincy-Vee Memorial Miniature Painting Hall of Fame. Especially if you're alive still
I've been seeing Marco Frisoni replace the Scale75 Artist Colors with these in his videos for some time now, and have been very curious about them. Thanks for taking the time to review them! By the way, if you want to say the name properly, it's pronounced "Gawrsh" in your best Goofy impression.
Late to the party, but that’s totally not how you pronouce it. It’s GOO-W-HASH. Hash like the drug. Or GW-HASH. Source: it’s a french word, and that’s my native language.
Pronounced "Gu-wash" with a soft "w" there in the middle, you pronounced it right at 9:19 right after calling it a "quiche" =] The watercolor based versions are super interesting too, they reactivate with water which can be used for some cool techniques or a grungier alternative to oil washes
I use the regular gouache for skin tones and other wet blending. They are a little tricky but once you get the hang of them, they are a great alternative.
Lol that makes it sound like goulash. Apparently the American pronunciation is "gwash" and the gouach is pronounced with a g like in guacamole. Don't know how it's actually meant to be pronounced in French.
Have been eyeballing these ever since Marco over at NotJustMecha had praised the "Golden" variety quite a bit. The last thing I need are more paints, but damn, those are tempting
I have 16 colors from this range and really like them. The colors are very strong and saturated, and I actually like how some of the pigments are more transparent than others. It just adds an extra step of learning by the pigments, but having some semi-transparent colors is great for glazing and mixing. The quinacridone magenta and primary yellow are two of the most amazing, saturated colors out of the 300 or so model paints that I have. Though they are both semi transparent, they are single pigment colors and are absolutely amazing for mixing into other colors to shift the hue. The only colors of theirs that I have issues with are the bleached titanium, and the burnt umber. I feel like both of those are good for mixing, but they are a little on the streaky side when painting with them straight. And burnt umber is a beautiful dark brown, but as a dark color, I feel that a it is lacking the coverage a good dark brown needs when base coating. The raw umber is the same pigment combo plus white, so it’s in the same color spectrum, just lighter, and with the added white, the coverage is good. But I didn’t buy it because I already have the burnt umber and and titanium white, and since the pigments are on the bottle, I know that that I can literally mix the exact same color very easily. I find that the single pigment colors are often more transparent than the mixes, which is the opposite of Vince’s findings. Most of the mixed colors have pw6 mixed in, which is titanium white, which helps make the paints more opaque. The last thing I wanted to point out is that they have two blacks! There is Ivory Black and Mars Black. Both are fantastic and worth having. The mars black has absolutely amazing coverage and is a fantastic neutral black. The Ivory black is semi-transparent, and is slightly warm/brown. I mean, it’s black, don’t get me wrong, it is just skewed very slightly warm compared to the Mars. But the wonderful thing about the Ivory black is that it is great when you need to mix it into a second color to darken that color because it doesn’t immediately kill the saturation of the original color and makes it feel less muddy than when adding a very opaque black. Also, it is a little more forgiving when mixing. With blacks a little can go a long way, and it’s easier to accidentally add too much black when using the opaque blacks. It’s kind of like Titanium White vs Zinc White, except zinc white is much weaker than the ivory black. I’d say zinc white is straight up transparent, where the Ivory Black is on the opaque side of semi-transparent (if that makes any sense!) Oh, I’ll also add that I don’t think these need much in the way of shaking as they don’t seem to separate. I have some in 20ml dropper bottles with a little water and thinner combo added so they’re pre-thinned and I’ll shake those, but as they come, I don’t think there’s much separating going on.
Thinking of starting my mini paint collection from almost scratch, and I wondered about focusing on artist's paints, known pigments, stable ranges, etc. I especially had my eye on this liquitex line and found the video very helpful. Thank you! I feel confident to go out and buy myself a box of acrylic quiches.
@@RSSIPPEL.ART. That's fair, I've found accents factor into a lot of it too. Art is it's own little bizarre dialect of loan words and scientific terms which I find endlessly fascinating. Phthalocyanine is the king of janky pronunciations in my book.
Thank you so much for this one specifically, Vince. I had looked at these paints months ago but wrote them off as watercolours that couldn't work for minipainting
I am so glad that I found your review of these. I live in a relatively remote area, at least in terms of game stores, and thus I struggle to obtain the typical miniature paint lines. The only standard line I can usually get a hold of in a store is vallejo, which is great, but I have been seeing the gouache liquitex paint more and more in craft stores, and I do like the liquitex inks already. I am going to grab some of this next time and give it a whirl.
👍👍👍 I've taken to the so flat range and that's lead to more mixing and me using my kimeras more, and more effectively. I've seen Marco using guache to great effect, so will get some of these once my so flat collection is filled out. Great in depth review, great vid.
I pushed the entire holbein acrylic ganaches into my hobby room and workflow over the summer. I find they fall into glaze consistency quickly but absolutely adore the flow and wet blend. The color metal tones have some great fast marine armor.
@@VinceVenturella I would also give Holbein the thumbs up to try. I've only tried the CMY primaries next to the Liquitex, but they seem to have an even higher pigment load and a better bite whereas the Liquitex feels picky about surfaces. I've had minor coverage issues painting over ink layers with the Liquitex where the Holbein grabs just fine. I also really like the small 20ml tubes. A meaningful downside is that Holbein is pretty expensive at $6+ for the 20ml tubes.
@@pbkobold have you experienced any re-activation issues with the Holbein? I watched a “normal” painter here on the tube do a test between the Liquitex, Holbein, and Turner acrylic gouaches and the Liquitex were the only ones that had zero reactivating. I think the Turner ones had the most. But it’s all relative when it comes to miniature painting.
@@TristanChaika I don't know. I'm traveling, but I'll report back in a few weeks if I remember. Holbein gouaches don't seem prone to reactivation, but I haven't done much layering with them. I've mostly been using them for highlights over oil or airbrush like I've seen in some Marco Frisoni vids (gouache texture and finish is lovely for this).
Yet another great video, Vince! I was (thankfully) able to pick up the whole set at Michaels, just after Liquitex launched it, and haven't regretted it one bit. This was back when they did the big sales and 40-60% off coupons (pre-COVID, of course), so that made it a lot easier on the wallet, but today I'd happily pay retail if I needed to.
Thank you for reviewing these! I own the primary set of these but I somehow found the Mars Black to kind of separate after some thinning with water in about a 2:1 water to paint ratio. You could see little clumps of pigment float in the thing that was supposed to be a glaze
I've been using these for a little over a year. It's a great value at price per ounce. I use a cheap quilling tool to clear the nozzles when they get clogged.
Late to the party! I adore these paints. They are incredibly fun to paint with. Also, here’s how you pronouce it. It’s GOO-W-HASCH. Hasch like the drug. Or GW-HASCH. Source: it’s a french word, and that’s my native language.
awesome iv ben using the golden so flat for a while and was having trouble finding khimera paints to fill out some of the missing colors in the so flat line like magenta. as a plus i know liquitex is a brand i can easily find just about anywhere
Excited to hear you enjoy them! I picked up a handful during a Back to School sale but haven't had a chance to try them. While everyone seems to be loving the SoFlat paints, I definitely appreciate the bottles on these with the dropper, enough that I probably won't grab the SoFlat's.
Zoned out for a moment and heard "they are very jelly and very thick" and had to think 'are we discussing paints still?' lol Great video :) I was recently in a local hobby store and they had both of yours and Adam's games for sale, very happy to see them in my local store
When I went to Art Skool™, gouache was pronounced "gw-aah-sh" - with a long "aah". Thank you so much for shining a light on artist paints, though. I've used a limited palette of Golden So Flat for a long while on scenery, where I think they really shine in the coverage:price ratio. I've pretty much stuck to Golden paint for years, but I'll for sure give Liquitex a go on your recommendation.
This is a great review. I had not even considered these sorts of paints ( for 3d surfaces, that is) before, but they seem quite useful. They are often traditionally used for old school illustration, but this is a great new application. I'll have to pick up one or two of these to test drive for myself!
Im quite happy with the 3d primers i bought from badger paints. Its a 2 part system. The clear goes first as the striation filler then your choice of 3d primer black grey and white with more to follow.
Very interesting and interested. I’ve used the Jo Sonya brand and find them very good for large surface painting on 75mm and above, but too granular for smaller scales. I’ll be interested to compare these with “eye dropper” brands. I’m planning on making swatches on styrene sheets (fan deck paint chart) with black/white primer and test these various brands. One more self inflicted obstacle vs painting figures 😂
i was looking at these exact paints just last week. My mother uses them for canvas painting so i was going to "borrow" a couple to try them out but now i don't need to 🙂 Great video and thank you for helping me to justify my paint buying addiction 🙂
"Goo-ash", best phonetic pronunciation i can offer. 10 years in an art shop and I've heard just about every way the human tongue can twist those letters. My favourite has to be "GOO-ACH-CHEE" spoken like it was a killing word.
For most artist paints, the opacity rating in the bottle refers to the innate opacity of the pigment, not a true scale of maximum opacity to maximum transparency. Usually, mini paints and craft paints already come with common opacifiers, whether they are chemical or black/white pigments. Artist paint manufacturers usually strive to leave the paint as un-modified as reasonable so that the artists have finer control over the final behavior of the paint.
For example, that dioxazine purple that you put on that inspired my original comment is an incredibly powerfully tinting pigment with deep rich color, but due its chemical structure it is very transparent and does not reflect much light on its own.
Lol according to Gamblin, PV23 dioxazine purple is THE strongest tinting pigment as well as THE most transparent pigment! Two extremes. Perfect example
So gouaches any brand are between water and acrylic in general but agree with your review always strong pigments and very smooth application. I'm going to try them on my next crew in space station zero with a strong zenithal and try use them like contrast to make quike and easy tabletop standard. Maybe a video idea Vince Gouache Glaze the Dbl G lol. Definitely a cheaper option for me using Winsor and Newton 12ml tubes and easy to travel with a range of colours
I'm ready to ditch Kimera for these. The fact that I have to avoid being splashed with color, or having crud fall on my wet palette or clean the tips religiously with cotton swabs before closing make Kimera sit on the shelf. The bottles on these look excellent.
One whole side of my painting carousel is dedicated to Liquitex "gWASHes." 👌 If you want to practice color mixing, don't buy their primaries box (Red Blue Yellow Green Black White) but instead buy the CMYK gamut; you'll get the full color wheel this way. CMYK Primaries = Quinacridone Magenta PR122, Primary Yellow PY74, Cerulean Blue (Cyan), Titanium White PW6, Mars Black Pbk11. Their browns are excellent. A great starting collection is Raw Sienna, Burnt Sienna, Burnt Umber, and Peach because who wants to mix these all the time?👍 - You DON'T have to mix or shake them like traditional paints. - The finish they create is SUPER SUPER MATTE, almost chalky. Great for certain effects.
bought a 12 color 20ml/tube set for about $20 from amazon Japan without shipping, good stuff, got primary magenta, blue, yellow, got purple, easily recommendable, but it seems to be Japanese market product only(no problem from amazon jp to sell them to outside japan though)
they do. at least on the "soft body" acrylics line that is just nearly exacty the same. I just suspect them to add up a bit of white, black or any mineral charge to increase opacity, i got magenta in both and can't distinguish one from the other
Nice review, I wonder if you have tried the Flashe line of vinyl paints for painting minis. I have found that they are pretty good as primers and work nicely for terrain as well as base layers. I could recommend trying them.
wow I literally just walked by these today at a Michael's haha. Gotta say Im convinced to give them a try now, thanks Vince! I would say the best place to buy these is at Michael's since there is always a 20-25% off coupon
Thanks for these reviews, they're so helpful for helping me get some insight into paints before purchasing! I probably wouldnt have even considered them since I haven't used a gouache before and it might have scared me off, but seeing it in action helps alleviate some of those anxieties. Sorry if this is a bit off topic but what wet palette are you using? It looks like an upgrade waiting to happen from my small red grass.
Presentation Suggestion: Try to change the angle of camera, your address of it, something, to lessen the amount of glare in your glasses. It's difficult to engage when you cannot see the speakers eyes.
3 questions for you. 1) if I add acrylic medium to water colour paint would that stop them from activating? 2) if you are using Artist grade and needing to mix paints couldn’t you just look at the ratio and pigment in the colour you want? 3) are you a fan of Gilmore girls because I miss your old life and death brigade sticker on the cut mat
1) Yes, but they would be very weak often. 2) Yes, you mean mix to all of these instead of buying the mixtures? Yes, as long as you could get colors that are just that pure pigment, which isn't always the case. 3) Get ready for a rumpus.
I bought their Quinacridone Magenta and Primary Yellow a few weeks ago and have been super excited to use them. Finally sat down to paint with them last night. After rigorous shaking, I did a base coat with magenta and it was lovely. I then mixed the magenta with the yellow to get a red color, painted the red over the dry magenta and ended up with a chalky mess. I don't know if they're re-activating or which of the 2 colors is the main culprit but I was very disappointed. I'll have to do some more testing.
@@VinceVenturella I forgot to mention I had thinned the magenta/yellow mix down to a quite thin glaze consistency. I shared this experience with another painter who said they also ended up with chalkiness when thinning them down a lot. I still need to do some experimenting, but it would seem that considerable thinning might be the issue here.
Reading up on this a bit more and it seems most acrylic-on-canvas artists prefer glazing with gloss (or at least satin) paints/mediums as matte mediums tend to dull the underlying layers. So... probably silly of me to expect good results trying to glaze with matte paints with or without the chalkiness factor =)
I was in a painting Discord once where a guy went on and on about how we're all schmucks being duped by the mini paint companies into buying their product when you could just buy gouache instead. They then proceeded to post some of the most milquetoast pictures of minis I've ever seen as evidence of this. This is a long way of saying I've been put off of gouache for some time now, but I'm glad to see it really is quite nice! I didn't find out about the Golden So-Flat line and now this product until after I'd ordered from Kimera! Just the way of it I suppose. I guess I'll wait to pick some up until I accrue some more hobby dollars. Glad to see the net being cut off of the Centaur Marshall model - I had the exact same idea when I first saw it. Now of course I'll just be copying Vince, but the early bird gets the worm and all that. One small note on the video itself: The music that started coming in at around 2:22 really stood out as distracting for me and made it harder to focus on the voiceover. Great video as always, looking forward to more reviews in the future!
these are an 8/10? Is it golden soflat or kimera you score more highly? Also, RE the costs, remember that whilst you get 17ml paint in the 'other brand' pots, they've already been diluted/medium'd down and sso, once you factor int he costs of the medium you would use, I think you would get around 4-5x worth of of mini pots of painting out of one of these.
I would say 8/10, I like these more than Kimera (for the most part - Kimera's THE RED is still amazing). But these are right up there with Golden, maybe even slightly easier to work with.
Without a demonstration of how these work on an Ogor Glutton, I just don't have a frame of reference of how well these perform versus your other paints
Has anyone tried mixing Golden SoFlat with this Range? This range seems to have some pigments I’d like to add to my SoFlat collection but only if they mix well.
7:40 I would expect the paints that have multiple pigments in them to cover better, not worse, because paints with multiple pigments like the Peach for example has PW6 in it which is a very opaque pigment. Same goes for Unbleached Titanium which has PY42, PBk11 and PW6 which are all opaque pigments.
Yeah, it largely depends on the pigments used, you are absolutely correct. Many of the mixture ones I've usd by happenstance have been lesser in coverage, but still certainly acceptable.
Hi Vince, really appreciate your videos. I want to get a limited palette to get me to focus on mixing and was wondering if you had a recommendation for a few colors to pick up? Also would you recommend these over the Golden SoFlat?
Hello, how do the figurines support hand manipulation? I've tried Turner Acryl Gouache recently and it's quite matte but becomes easily shinier after being touched. How does this Liquitex paint resist to handling?
Gouache has been around for years. W&N do a range called Designers Gouache. It's a French word and is pronounced in English as "Goo-ash". Say it quickly all as one word, slightly hard on the G and draw out the "ash" bit. Call it quiche if you like, nobody minds. It's traditionally a water-based body colour. Think opaque watercolour. But it's not usually waterproof. The Liquitex version is acrylic based (surprise, surprise) it dries waterproof and with (I think) less of a colour shift compared to the traditional gouache. It's really nice paint and I enjoyed your review. All the best.
vince ive become quite obsessive over pigment numbers. ever since i discovered that some of my vallejo paints contained cadmium ive tried to research as much as i can into what im working with. thankfully i never sprayed or used them with a brush them but why were they putting that in paint when they know we lick our brushes
French word yes, but it comes from the italian guazzo. Even though it's diluted with water, gouache only designates opaque colour flat medium. The french word for watercolor is aquarelle ( hack-wah-rel).
Amazing video as always, thanks so much! How would you compare gouache against the Golden So Flat range in terms of pliability? Are you able to thin them all the way down into translucent glazes, and do they take a while to dry? (I’m thinking of blending potential mainly) Thanks!
They are pretty close, they thin well and they have a decent drying time, I've been enjoying some wet blending. So overall I would say you couldn't go wrong with either.
I honestly don't think I could give one answer, I use a wide selection of paints on most projects. That being said, if absolutely forced, I would go for AK 3rd Gen I suppose just for the full depth of the range.
Would it be possible to do a paint brand ranking episode, similar to your AOS god episode? Display vs speed painting, glaze vs base coat? It is getting tricky to understand which colours are good for what. Kimera, Golden, Liquitex, vallejo, Scale 75... Do I need them all? Just a thought. Thanks, Chris
KIMERA colors are a comparable brand. Gouaches are higher pigmented and more common in aquarellic painting. Acrylic gouaches are something that has been developed in the recent years. I haven't dabbled much with, but I have on my todo list maybe these are something for this latest fab called slapchop. What's your take on this?
You could certainly use them for something like color over an undershade, but they would have to be thinned, in most cases, they are a little too strong OOTB for that.
I've NEVER been able to pronounce this 🤣 An uncle of mine who was a pretty decent artist used to say it as "goo-osh", but we are from North East England and are pretty much known for pronouncing everything differently 😎
I became very interested in artist acrylics like these recently, and wanted to ask if you had any experience with "Golden Fluid Acrylics"? I cant seem to find any good source on how well they perform on minis.
Yep, I've used them, I don't favor them too much for minis, a little too thin and transparent, the Golden So-Flats are my preferred for miniatures. I have a review for that as well.
How are they for separation? Do they need time on the Vortex, or are they good without any shaking? I noticed you didn't show or mention shaking/remixing before you used the red, so I thougt I'd ask.
I agree with p0nyboy, great comment! To top his comment, have you had the chance to try any of the Vallejo fine art range paints like their heavy body paints or their Acrylic Gouache or even their Inks and oils? If so, what are your thoughts and how do you think they compare with Golden, Liquitex, etc.etc ?
@@VinceVenturella I had a thought after I posted this I would avoid the Turner Japanesque set it was made to mimic a painting style and has corse pigments or so ive read. I have the 24 colour set and found them a joy to use. (edit 21/10/2022 I went and bought 3 of the Japanesque paints and they are much grittier more like texture paints)
I've ordered the 12 paint set. I was wondering, how do they play with Goldens Open mediums? Particularly interested in Open Gel medium, since I like gel based paints in general and S75 in particular.
when you review artist products and how they can be used in our hobby it is a HUGE service to the hobby as a whole , thankyou!
Slowly the miniature paint brands will come to hate this. Warp fuelled jfc they are clowns
I've been using the soft-body acrylic versions of this line for a month now. Really like them. I'd go so far as to say that the black and the white have become my default choice. They mix better than any other paint line I've used. They last on a wet palette for ages (like days), don't separate in the bottle as much as normal mini line paints and they're pretty affordable in either the 22 or 60 ml sizes in most art shops. These are probably going to be my first choice for replacing colours going forwards.
I'm right there with you. I always keep Their Titanium White, Ivory Black and Mars Black handy for mixing. Mars Black Mixes toward the warm spectrum and it black black. Ivory mixes down to a cool grey and is much more dillute, both handy for different purposes. 👍
I was just thinking the same. I've barely seen any reviews for these so I felt maybe I shouldn't jump ship but this definitely makes me feel better about branching off from mini paints. The best part about these are they are in most art/hobby stores and come in a variety of sets. Also love the larger sized bottles, definitely should last a long time
Have been using them for a while, and agree completely with your review. They are so smooth to paint with, its like silk. I find wet blending with them highly enjoyable.
On top of it all a lot of it has ink like shading ability if you dilute them enough,
Thank you for reviewing acrylic gouache paints! I really enjoy your reviews, since you convey a genuine sense of curiosity about the products and are open to working with the products strengths and weaknesses, instead of just comparing it to a different product, with which you might have infinitely more experience.
I appreciate the details of the music on the sign off. Thanks Vince, your videos are a service to the hobby. When we build the hall of fame for mini painting I will lobby for it to be called the Vincy-Vee Memorial Miniature Painting Hall of Fame. Especially if you're alive still
I've been seeing Marco Frisoni replace the Scale75 Artist Colors with these in his videos for some time now, and have been very curious about them. Thanks for taking the time to review them! By the way, if you want to say the name properly, it's pronounced "Gawrsh" in your best Goofy impression.
Late to the party, but that’s totally not how you pronouce it. It’s GOO-W-HASH. Hash like the drug. Or GW-HASH.
Source: it’s a french word, and that’s my native language.
@@martins3655 Your pronunciation is correct, but it's not as fun. :(
Pronounced "Gu-wash" with a soft "w" there in the middle, you pronounced it right at 9:19 right after calling it a "quiche" =]
The watercolor based versions are super interesting too, they reactivate with water which can be used for some cool techniques or a grungier alternative to oil washes
But when I inevitably get around to trying these, they will forever be known in my head as "little quiches".
I use the regular gouache for skin tones and other wet blending. They are a little tricky but once you get the hang of them, they are a great alternative.
I'm just gonna call it GOOCH
Lol that makes it sound like goulash. Apparently the American pronunciation is "gwash" and the gouach is pronounced with a g like in guacamole. Don't know how it's actually meant to be pronounced in French.
Have been eyeballing these ever since Marco over at NotJustMecha had praised the "Golden" variety quite a bit. The last thing I need are more paints, but damn, those are tempting
I have been using gouache acrylics for about a year now. I love their adaptability. I also love them for undervalue sketching.
I have 16 colors from this range and really like them. The colors are very strong and saturated, and I actually like how some of the pigments are more transparent than others. It just adds an extra step of learning by the pigments, but having some semi-transparent colors is great for glazing and mixing.
The quinacridone magenta and primary yellow are two of the most amazing, saturated colors out of the 300 or so model paints that I have. Though they are both semi transparent, they are single pigment colors and are absolutely amazing for mixing into other colors to shift the hue.
The only colors of theirs that I have issues with are the bleached titanium, and the burnt umber. I feel like both of those are good for mixing, but they are a little on the streaky side when painting with them straight. And burnt umber is a beautiful dark brown, but as a dark color, I feel that a it is lacking the coverage a good dark brown needs when base coating. The raw umber is the same pigment combo plus white, so it’s in the same color spectrum, just lighter, and with the added white, the coverage is good. But I didn’t buy it because I already have the burnt umber and and titanium white, and since the pigments are on the bottle, I know that that I can literally mix the exact same color very easily.
I find that the single pigment colors are often more transparent than the mixes, which is the opposite of Vince’s findings. Most of the mixed colors have pw6 mixed in, which is titanium white, which helps make the paints more opaque.
The last thing I wanted to point out is that they have two blacks! There is Ivory Black and Mars Black. Both are fantastic and worth having. The mars black has absolutely amazing coverage and is a fantastic neutral black. The Ivory black is semi-transparent, and is slightly warm/brown. I mean, it’s black, don’t get me wrong, it is just skewed very slightly warm compared to the Mars. But the wonderful thing about the Ivory black is that it is great when you need to mix it into a second color to darken that color because it doesn’t immediately kill the saturation of the original color and makes it feel less muddy than when adding a very opaque black. Also, it is a little more forgiving when mixing. With blacks a little can go a long way, and it’s easier to accidentally add too much black when using the opaque blacks.
It’s kind of like Titanium White vs Zinc White, except zinc white is much weaker than the ivory black. I’d say zinc white is straight up transparent, where the Ivory Black is on the opaque side of semi-transparent (if that makes any sense!)
Oh, I’ll also add that I don’t think these need much in the way of shaking as they don’t seem to separate. I have some in 20ml dropper bottles with a little water and thinner combo added so they’re pre-thinned and I’ll shake those, but as they come, I don’t think there’s much separating going on.
Thinking of starting my mini paint collection from almost scratch, and I wondered about focusing on artist's paints, known pigments, stable ranges, etc. I especially had my eye on this liquitex line and found the video very helpful. Thank you! I feel confident to go out and buy myself a box of acrylic quiches.
"Gwaash". Best I can do.
Better than others can do in this comment section.
I think that’s actually quite close
Goo-ash. Best phonetic pronunciation I can offer, and i work in an art supplies shop.
@@briochepanda I've been painting 40 years. I think the combo might be best: "Goo-waash".
@@RSSIPPEL.ART. That's fair, I've found accents factor into a lot of it too. Art is it's own little bizarre dialect of loan words and scientific terms which I find endlessly fascinating.
Phthalocyanine is the king of janky pronunciations in my book.
Thank you so much for this one specifically, Vince.
I had looked at these paints months ago but wrote them off as watercolours that couldn't work for minipainting
I am so glad that I found your review of these. I live in a relatively remote area, at least in terms of game stores, and thus I struggle to obtain the typical miniature paint lines. The only standard line I can usually get a hold of in a store is vallejo, which is great, but I have been seeing the gouache liquitex paint more and more in craft stores, and I do like the liquitex inks already. I am going to grab some of this next time and give it a whirl.
Glad I could help!
There teal is one of my favorite paints. Drys pretty dark giving a nice deep color and goes on smooth every time
👍👍👍 I've taken to the so flat range and that's lead to more mixing and me using my kimeras more, and more effectively. I've seen Marco using guache to great effect, so will get some of these once my so flat collection is filled out. Great in depth review, great vid.
I pushed the entire holbein acrylic ganaches into my hobby room and workflow over the summer. I find they fall into glaze consistency quickly but absolutely adore the flow and wet blend. The color metal tones have some great fast marine armor.
Great tip!
@@VinceVenturella I would also give Holbein the thumbs up to try. I've only tried the CMY primaries next to the Liquitex, but they seem to have an even higher pigment load and a better bite whereas the Liquitex feels picky about surfaces. I've had minor coverage issues painting over ink layers with the Liquitex where the Holbein grabs just fine. I also really like the small 20ml tubes. A meaningful downside is that Holbein is pretty expensive at $6+ for the 20ml tubes.
@@pbkobold have you experienced any re-activation issues with the Holbein? I watched a “normal” painter here on the tube do a test between the Liquitex, Holbein, and Turner acrylic gouaches and the Liquitex were the only ones that had zero reactivating. I think the Turner ones had the most. But it’s all relative when it comes to miniature painting.
@@TristanChaika I don't know. I'm traveling, but I'll report back in a few weeks if I remember. Holbein gouaches don't seem prone to reactivation, but I haven't done much layering with them. I've mostly been using them for highlights over oil or airbrush like I've seen in some Marco Frisoni vids (gouache texture and finish is lovely for this).
Yet another great video, Vince! I was (thankfully) able to pick up the whole set at Michaels, just after Liquitex launched it, and haven't regretted it one bit. This was back when they did the big sales and 40-60% off coupons (pre-COVID, of course), so that made it a lot easier on the wallet, but today I'd happily pay retail if I needed to.
Thank you for reviewing these! I own the primary set of these but I somehow found the Mars Black to kind of separate after some thinning with water in about a 2:1 water to paint ratio. You could see little clumps of pigment float in the thing that was supposed to be a glaze
After seeing Marco use these a bunch recently without talking about them, glad to see you put up a video
Thank you for picking back up this great series Vince! Much appreciated!
Oh man, I've been waiting for you to try these out for so long.
Great video, thanks for testing these paints. Been thinking about buying some for a long time. Will get some the next time in the art store
I've been using these for a little over a year. It's a great value at price per ounce. I use a cheap quilling tool to clear the nozzles when they get clogged.
Late to the party!
I adore these paints. They are incredibly fun to paint with.
Also, here’s how you pronouce it. It’s GOO-W-HASCH. Hasch like the drug.
Or GW-HASCH.
Source: it’s a french word, and that’s my native language.
awesome iv ben using the golden so flat for a while and was having trouble finding khimera paints to fill out some of the missing colors in the so flat line like magenta. as a plus i know liquitex is a brand i can easily find just about anywhere
Excited to hear you enjoy them! I picked up a handful during a Back to School sale but haven't had a chance to try them.
While everyone seems to be loving the SoFlat paints, I definitely appreciate the bottles on these with the dropper, enough that I probably won't grab the SoFlat's.
I would love a hc-video about mixing colors. Getting the ratios right an so on
Zoned out for a moment and heard "they are very jelly and very thick" and had to think 'are we discussing paints still?' lol
Great video :) I was recently in a local hobby store and they had both of yours and Adam's games for sale, very happy to see them in my local store
You and me both!
Goo Ash :) great video as always Vince!
Actually its more of "GoWash" short O short W
@@jc7997aj Not sure if its a UK thing then, during art college etc never met anyone who pronounced it like that.
When I went to Art Skool™, gouache was pronounced "gw-aah-sh" - with a long "aah". Thank you so much for shining a light on artist paints, though. I've used a limited palette of Golden So Flat for a long while on scenery, where I think they really shine in the coverage:price ratio. I've pretty much stuck to Golden paint for years, but I'll for sure give Liquitex a go on your recommendation.
Great video! I guess I know what to use my Michaels coupons on for the next few months!
This is a great review. I had not even considered these sorts of paints ( for 3d surfaces, that is) before, but they seem quite useful. They are often traditionally used for old school illustration, but this is a great new application. I'll have to pick up one or two of these to test drive for myself!
Im quite happy with the 3d primers i bought from badger paints. Its a 2 part system. The clear goes first as the striation filler then your choice of 3d primer black grey and white with more to follow.
Very interesting and interested. I’ve used the Jo Sonya brand and find them very good for large surface painting on 75mm and above, but too granular for smaller scales. I’ll be interested to compare these with “eye dropper” brands. I’m planning on making swatches on styrene sheets (fan deck paint chart) with black/white primer and test these various brands. One more self inflicted obstacle vs painting figures 😂
i was looking at these exact paints just last week. My mother uses them for canvas painting so i was going to "borrow" a couple to try them out but now i don't need to 🙂
Great video and thank you for helping me to justify my paint buying addiction 🙂
Take a look at liquitex acrylic inks, great pigments. Thanks Vince
Yep, I've used them and Daler Rowney quite a bit. :) - Great stuff.
"Goo-ash", best phonetic pronunciation i can offer. 10 years in an art shop and I've heard just about every way the human tongue can twist those letters. My favourite has to be "GOO-ACH-CHEE" spoken like it was a killing word.
Love it when you review artist products.
More to come!
For most artist paints, the opacity rating in the bottle refers to the innate opacity of the pigment, not a true scale of maximum opacity to maximum transparency. Usually, mini paints and craft paints already come with common opacifiers, whether they are chemical or black/white pigments. Artist paint manufacturers usually strive to leave the paint as un-modified as reasonable so that the artists have finer control over the final behavior of the paint.
For example, that dioxazine purple that you put on that inspired my original comment is an incredibly powerfully tinting pigment with deep rich color, but due its chemical structure it is very transparent and does not reflect much light on its own.
Lol according to Gamblin, PV23 dioxazine purple is THE strongest tinting pigment as well as THE most transparent pigment! Two extremes. Perfect example
Absolutely, I should have been more clear with all that.
I love liquitex for primers....besides they dont smell Bad 😁
So gouaches any brand are between water and acrylic in general but agree with your review always strong pigments and very smooth application. I'm going to try them on my next crew in space station zero with a strong zenithal and try use them like contrast to make quike and easy tabletop standard. Maybe a video idea Vince Gouache Glaze the Dbl G lol. Definitely a cheaper option for me using Winsor and Newton 12ml tubes and easy to travel with a range of colours
I'm ready to ditch Kimera for these. The fact that I have to avoid being splashed with color, or having crud fall on my wet palette or clean the tips religiously with cotton swabs before closing make Kimera sit on the shelf. The bottles on these look excellent.
I ended up buying twist caps for my Kimera because I got sick of the lids. I've got white acrylic gouache though and it's lovely
@@grombatmole where did you get twist caps for the kimera from?
Another great video Vince. I will pick some of these up tonight on my way home.
Enjoy!
One whole side of my painting carousel is dedicated to Liquitex "gWASHes." 👌
If you want to practice color mixing, don't buy their primaries box (Red Blue Yellow Green Black White) but instead buy the CMYK gamut; you'll get the full color wheel this way. CMYK Primaries = Quinacridone Magenta PR122, Primary Yellow PY74, Cerulean Blue (Cyan), Titanium White PW6, Mars Black Pbk11.
Their browns are excellent. A great starting collection is Raw Sienna, Burnt Sienna, Burnt Umber, and Peach because who wants to mix these all the time?👍
- You DON'T have to mix or shake them like traditional paints.
- The finish they create is SUPER SUPER MATTE, almost chalky. Great for certain effects.
bought a 12 color 20ml/tube set for about $20 from amazon Japan without shipping, good stuff, got primary magenta, blue, yellow, got purple, easily recommendable, but it seems to be Japanese market product only(no problem from amazon jp to sell them to outside japan though)
It is absolutely criminal that you do not have more subscribers.
Hi Vince,
I am looking for a way to paint veins and arteries on big muscles when those veins are not part of the model. Any tips?
They have to be very subtle, like very faded tatoos. Usually the veins will be visible in the slight blue with a flesh color of the top.
I do prefer SoFlat but Liquitex’s bottle design slays the competition. Wish they had any single pigment greens in the range though.
they do. at least on the "soft body" acrylics line that is just nearly exacty the same. I just suspect them to add up a bit of white, black or any mineral charge to increase opacity, i got magenta in both and can't distinguish one from the other
@@cyanidebass6519 yeah I meant the acrylic gouache range specifically. For whatever reason the soft body range has very few distributors down under
@@nicholascaldwell6079 depends where you shop from. Jacksonart got the full range at the best price avaiable online
Nice review, I wonder if you have tried the Flashe line of vinyl paints for painting minis. I have found that they are pretty good as primers and work nicely for terrain as well as base layers. I could recommend trying them.
Not yet! I'll have to give them a try.
wow I literally just walked by these today at a Michael's haha. Gotta say Im convinced to give them a try now, thanks Vince! I would say the best place to buy these is at Michael's since there is always a 20-25% off coupon
wash is the closest, great video.
Thanks for this. I've been really interested in this range, but haven't taken the dive.
Glad I could help!
Quiche is an acceptable second place, but I personally think it's best pronounced to the tune of Down With The Sickness: "Goo-wah-ah-ah-ash!"
Love your content by the way
I've had about 8 of these for a whole year, I think the neutral grey and titanium white get used the most.
Thanks for these reviews, they're so helpful for helping me get some insight into paints before purchasing! I probably wouldnt have even considered them since I haven't used a gouache before and it might have scared me off, but seeing it in action helps alleviate some of those anxieties.
Sorry if this is a bit off topic but what wet palette are you using? It looks like an upgrade waiting to happen from my small red grass.
Happy to help! The Exemplar Wet Palette from Game Envy.
Presentation Suggestion: Try to change the angle of camera, your address of it, something, to lessen the amount of glare in your glasses. It's difficult to engage when you cannot see the speakers eyes.
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thank you 👍
I'm gonna refer to these as Guac (as in guacamole) from here on out.
My wife is an artist and gouache is her preferred medium. She pronounces it G-wah-sh.
3 questions for you. 1) if I add acrylic medium to water colour paint would that stop them from activating?
2) if you are using Artist grade and needing to mix paints couldn’t you just look at the ratio and pigment in the colour you want?
3) are you a fan of Gilmore girls because I miss your old life and death brigade sticker on the cut mat
1) Yes, but they would be very weak often.
2) Yes, you mean mix to all of these instead of buying the mixtures? Yes, as long as you could get colors that are just that pure pigment, which isn't always the case.
3) Get ready for a rumpus.
I bought their Quinacridone Magenta and Primary Yellow a few weeks ago and have been super excited to use them. Finally sat down to paint with them last night. After rigorous shaking, I did a base coat with magenta and it was lovely. I then mixed the magenta with the yellow to get a red color, painted the red over the dry magenta and ended up with a chalky mess. I don't know if they're re-activating or which of the 2 colors is the main culprit but I was very disappointed. I'll have to do some more testing.
Interesting, I haven't had those issue, but keep me informed.
@@VinceVenturella I forgot to mention I had thinned the magenta/yellow mix down to a quite thin glaze consistency. I shared this experience with another painter who said they also ended up with chalkiness when thinning them down a lot. I still need to do some experimenting, but it would seem that considerable thinning might be the issue here.
Reading up on this a bit more and it seems most acrylic-on-canvas artists prefer glazing with gloss (or at least satin) paints/mediums as matte mediums tend to dull the underlying layers. So... probably silly of me to expect good results trying to glaze with matte paints with or without the chalkiness factor =)
Will these gouaches replace any of the hobby paints you have used and liked? Appreciate these hobby times, Vince. Thanks!
They've become part of my rotation along with Kimera, AK 3rd Gen and So flat as my most used paints.
I was in a painting Discord once where a guy went on and on about how we're all schmucks being duped by the mini paint companies into buying their product when you could just buy gouache instead. They then proceeded to post some of the most milquetoast pictures of minis I've ever seen as evidence of this. This is a long way of saying I've been put off of gouache for some time now, but I'm glad to see it really is quite nice!
I didn't find out about the Golden So-Flat line and now this product until after I'd ordered from Kimera! Just the way of it I suppose. I guess I'll wait to pick some up until I accrue some more hobby dollars.
Glad to see the net being cut off of the Centaur Marshall model - I had the exact same idea when I first saw it. Now of course I'll just be copying Vince, but the early bird gets the worm and all that.
One small note on the video itself: The music that started coming in at around 2:22 really stood out as distracting for me and made it harder to focus on the voiceover.
Great video as always, looking forward to more reviews in the future!
these are an 8/10? Is it golden soflat or kimera you score more highly?
Also, RE the costs, remember that whilst you get 17ml paint in the 'other brand' pots, they've already been diluted/medium'd down and sso, once you factor int he costs of the medium you would use, I think you would get around 4-5x worth of of mini pots of painting out of one of these.
I would say 8/10, I like these more than Kimera (for the most part - Kimera's THE RED is still amazing). But these are right up there with Golden, maybe even slightly easier to work with.
I love Goulash!
I have always wondered it the Army Painter Speed Paints are baes on Gouache. Which would cause them to reactivate.
I think it's just hte overall additive mix that causes it.
...geeshes...lmao
Had me dying laughing too early in the morning
Without a demonstration of how these work on an Ogor Glutton, I just don't have a frame of reference of how well these perform versus your other paints
You forgot to mention they come with a free plinth for your minis.. the cap :D
It rhymes with squash my friend ❤️. "gwash", phonetically.
on second thought keep calling it a quiche though, lol. language is transitional - let chaos reign.
U good boy Vincey veeee! 👊🍻🥰🐶❤️
Has anyone tried mixing Golden SoFlat with this Range? This range seems to have some pigments I’d like to add to my SoFlat collection but only if they mix well.
Yes I have, work just fine together. :)
You’re such an asset to the community. Thank you for being awesome.
7:40 I would expect the paints that have multiple pigments in them to cover better, not worse, because paints with multiple pigments like the Peach for example has PW6 in it which is a very opaque pigment. Same goes for Unbleached Titanium which has PY42, PBk11 and PW6 which are all opaque pigments.
Yeah, it largely depends on the pigments used, you are absolutely correct. Many of the mixture ones I've usd by happenstance have been lesser in coverage, but still certainly acceptable.
Hi Vince, really appreciate your videos. I want to get a limited palette to get me to focus on mixing and was wondering if you had a recommendation for a few colors to pick up? Also would you recommend these over the Golden SoFlat?
Something like the expanded zorn palette, adding cyan and turquoise is a good place to begin.
'Goo ash' is the proper way I think
Btw it's GOW-SH iirc.
Holbein has a range of acrylics gouaches too, have you tried them by curiosity ? I've tried their acrylic inks are they pretty good!
Haven't tried them yet, it's on my list. :)
Thank you for another great video. Love the reviews but this one cracked me up!!!!! Gouache is a french word and is pronounced: GOO-ASH
cant decide between this and the nicker gouache ! which would you recommend at first?
I prefer this one.
Hello, how do the figurines support hand manipulation? I've tried Turner Acryl Gouache recently and it's quite matte but becomes easily shinier after being touched. How does this Liquitex paint resist to handling?
I don't really handle my models, so I am not sure I can say, but I haven't seen any difference
Gouache has been around for years. W&N do a range called Designers Gouache. It's a French word and is pronounced in English as "Goo-ash". Say it quickly all as one word, slightly hard on the G and draw out the "ash" bit. Call it quiche if you like, nobody minds.
It's traditionally a water-based body colour. Think opaque watercolour. But it's not usually waterproof. The Liquitex version is acrylic based (surprise, surprise) it dries waterproof and with (I think) less of a colour shift compared to the traditional gouache. It's really nice paint and I enjoyed your review. All the best.
What happened to Larry the Oger?
I don't deal well with change
vince ive become quite obsessive over pigment numbers. ever since i discovered that some of my vallejo paints contained cadmium ive tried to research as much as i can into what im working with. thankfully i never sprayed or used them with a brush them but why were they putting that in paint when they know we lick our brushes
Goo-Ash. From the French word for watercolor.
French word yes, but it comes from the italian guazzo. Even though it's diluted with water, gouache only designates opaque colour flat medium. The french word for watercolor is aquarelle ( hack-wah-rel).
Amazing video as always, thanks so much! How would you compare gouache against the Golden So Flat range in terms of pliability? Are you able to thin them all the way down into translucent glazes, and do they take a while to dry? (I’m thinking of blending potential mainly)
Thanks!
They are pretty close, they thin well and they have a decent drying time, I've been enjoying some wet blending. So overall I would say you couldn't go wrong with either.
@@VinceVenturella thanks a lot Vince, you really are doing the lord’s job with these review videos.
What is your desert island paint range?
I honestly don't think I could give one answer, I use a wide selection of paints on most projects. That being said, if absolutely forced, I would go for AK 3rd Gen I suppose just for the full depth of the range.
How does viridian green stack up against pthalo green? What about unbleached titanium vs pale sand?
Any chance they're mostly interchangeable?
The two greens are pretty close, the unbleached titanium is a little more yellow/brown than pale sand. Not exactly interchangeable.
Thanks. I had my eye on the kimera set but it's tough to get. So this looks like a great stand in. Keep up the great work.
The traditional gouache can be reactivate with water… is-it the case with that range?
Nope, these are using an acrylic binder, so they are waterfast.
Would it be possible to do a paint brand ranking episode, similar to your AOS god episode? Display vs speed painting, glaze vs base coat? It is getting tricky to understand which colours are good for what. Kimera, Golden, Liquitex, vallejo, Scale 75... Do I need them all? Just a thought. Thanks, Chris
That sounds like a very fun episode.
KIMERA colors are a comparable brand. Gouaches are higher pigmented and more common in aquarellic painting. Acrylic gouaches are something that has been developed in the recent years. I haven't dabbled much with, but I have on my todo list
maybe these are something for this latest fab called slapchop. What's your take on this?
You could certainly use them for something like color over an undershade, but they would have to be thinned, in most cases, they are a little too strong OOTB for that.
I've NEVER been able to pronounce this 🤣
An uncle of mine who was a pretty decent artist used to say it as "goo-osh", but we are from North East England and are pretty much known for pronouncing everything differently 😎
I became very interested in artist acrylics like these recently, and wanted to ask if you had any experience with "Golden Fluid Acrylics"? I cant seem to find any good source on how well they perform on minis.
Yep, I've used them, I don't favor them too much for minis, a little too thin and transparent, the Golden So-Flats are my preferred for miniatures. I have a review for that as well.
@@VinceVenturella thanks, just the info i needed
Interested to see if you've noticed any issues with durability or reactivation with Gouache
Traditional gouches reactivate, but not acryllic gouaches. Technically they are cery matt, softbody acryllic paints.
Yep, as Michael says. :)
How are they for separation? Do they need time on the Vortex, or are they good without any shaking? I noticed you didn't show or mention shaking/remixing before you used the red, so I thougt I'd ask.
Honestly, I've not had much in the way of issues with separation, barely any shaking at all.
I agree with p0nyboy, great comment! To top his comment, have you had the chance to try any of the Vallejo fine art range paints like their heavy body paints or their Acrylic Gouache or even their Inks and oils? If so, what are your thoughts and how do you think they compare with Golden, Liquitex, etc.etc ?
I haven’t really tried the vallejo fine art range, I’ll have to try that next. :)
@@VinceVenturella 🦸
That would be awesome! Keep up the great work!
Good review Vince have you tried the more expensive acrylic gouache like the "TURNER" brand? They are much better than the liquitex in my opinion
I have not yet, they're on the list.
@@VinceVenturella I had a thought after I posted this I would avoid the Turner Japanesque set it was made to mimic a painting style and has corse pigments or so ive read. I have the 24 colour set and found them a joy to use. (edit 21/10/2022 I went and bought 3 of the Japanesque paints and they are much grittier more like texture paints)
Repeat after me, "pardon my french.". 😁
GooAsh is the right pronunciation.
I've ordered the 12 paint set. I was wondering, how do they play with Goldens Open mediums? Particularly interested in Open Gel medium, since I like gel based paints in general and S75 in particular.
Haven’t tried yet to be honest