As an old man, the largest pop for me was the Where's the Beef lady. She was beloved during this time when you couldn't watch any show without commercials. Susan St. James was there because I believe she was married to Dick Embersol, who was Vince's big partner in the production values of WWF during the time and he was instrumental in making WWF look so much better than any wrestling product
And then he created Survivor Series specifically so he could have it held on the exact same day as Starrcade '87 and tell ALL the PPV providers that they had a choice: either air WWF Survivor Series and *DO NOT_* air NWA/JCP Starrcade, or air Starrcade and not be allowed to air WWF Survivor Series nor air ANY OTHER WWF PPV EVER AGAIN! Including WrestleMania IV. And because WrestleMania III was far & away the biggest PPV in history at that time, basically all of them caved. As a result, that year's Starrcade was the _least_ viewed in history - viewed by next to nobody - and causing them to change the date of Starrcade to late December the next year and every year afterward until WCW went out of business in 2001 and got bought by WWF.
Seems to have taken off these last few weeks , they're getting about 100 subs a day. That's kind of weird innit? I'm not stalking them , I just noticed that it's going up at least 0.1k a day as I'm working my way through all their videos
A kid from the 80s here and yes, everyone knew “Where’s the Beef?”. It was everywhere; bumper stickers, T-shirts, radio, TV…it truly was part of the zeitgeist
Wow, that's pretty good - from what I've heard it's difficult getting Bill Murray to do anything especially if he's not really interested so he must have really taken a shine to the animal
They may have had famous people that nowadays nobody has heard of, but heck it was 35 years ago. Current WWE has 'famous people' I've never heard of (Bad Bunny? Logan Paul?) that I have never heard of, even though they're supposedly famous now.
If you've never heard of one of the most successful musicians on earth, that doesn't mean he isn't famous. It means you haven't heard of someone extremely famous.
@@VelvetMetrolink Celebrity fragmentation is so much greater now than it was in 1986. Oh, I'm sure there were boomers who didn't know who Ozzy Osbourne was (possibly my parents), but Bad Bunny is a different kind of case that I don't know if he's comparable to someone from that time. And it's not just wrestling fans in a bubble--I watch SNL too and when Bad Bunny hosted I saw similar "Who is this?" discussion. This isn't a knock on the guy, but it's just that no one is as famous and no TV show or movie is as universally known now as the top shows were in the '80s and '90s. (Note that Kate & Allie and Silver Spoons do not qualify as "top shows.")
Susan Saint James is one of the best Celebrity guests they ever had. She got right into the craziness especially durring the George Steele/Randy Savage match.
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It was to out do Starrcade 85 which was done in 2 venues. But instead of going back and forth they did All of New York, Chicago, then LA, West coast was LA, New York, Chicago.
“Timing is what rail-way rapists rely on” holy shit 😂 dudes I’m goin thru the archives watching every video bc I’m laid up post-op. So many missed gems,You guys are too quick with it 😂😂😂
Susan St James is at Wrestlemania in such a prominent role because she is married to Dick Ebersol who was the head of NBC Sports at the time and Vince McMahon had just signed a big deal to have WWF appear on a prime time spot on Saturday nights when SNL was off. I'm sure that was the reason why some random tv actress was at Wrestlemania.
6:55 - thats just the way Ray "jazzes up" his songs-- another WrestleMe video talked about Little Richard's rendition, which was also 'jazzed up', but Rich was also trying to Lip-Sync with a dubbed version and couldnt match the improvised parts-- Ray Charles would "jazz up" songs by damn-near having a full-on conversation with the listener..."oh beautiful, forrrrr spacious skies [whats your name, honey?] for amber waaaaves of grainnnnn [whatchu do for a livin?] for purple moun, taaa-ai-innnns, majesty [how long you work there?] above! ...the fruited plain!! [oh, your Sister got you the job?]" ...but, seeing his thick glasses and grey hair, and hearing the way they Describe it, i can accept the 'alternative headcanon' that Ray was legitimately asking a question mid-song, "Amerrrrrrica! [what am i singin about?] Aaaaaamerrrricaa [what am i doin up here?] god shed his grace [where am i?] on theeeeeeeee..."
You know what's really wild? You're talking about the karaoke montage, and in the long shot of Hulk Hogan in front of the American flag at 5:48, the flag only has 48 stars. However, this Wrestlemania isn't that old - Alaska became a state in the 50s. So this is just an old, outdated flag.
00:45 I think they did it to try and be different. Live Aid might have been and influence, but it also allowed then to put butts in seats in 3 different arenas.
Also Starrcade had been from 2 locations (Greensboro and Atlanta). It was a way to try to one-up Crockett. Basil DeVito's History of WrestleMania coffee table book is suprisingly frank about why this ultimately didn't work: 3 locations means 3 crews, 3 trucks, 3 directors, etc. You're tripling costs (not to mention the insane celebrity overload) for not all that great of a return on all that spending. Mania 2 would have to do 3 times the business of Mania 1 for it to make financial sense.
tbf, Mr T mentioned in interviews that the sparring on Rocky III wasn't faked in any way. Plus, T was at one point a bodyguard to people like Ali, Frazier and Spinks, so it's quite likely he picked a few things up along the way.
@@stalfithrildi5366 Yeah, because your job involved neither of those skills. Being a bodyguard involves being pretty damn tough - it's sort of in the job description.
It was so ubiquitous that it made its way to the Democratic Primary. You know that Simpsons gag with the headline "MONDALE TO HART: 'WHERE'S THE BEEF?'"? That wasn't just something they made up for the show. Mondale actually said that. Clara Peller was bigger than Flo the Progressive Lady or the "Can You Hear Me Now?" guy.
Even as a kid I knew Mania 2 was very much a lesser show. And I also didn't know most of the celebrities. That said, looking back, I really don't think it's *as* bad as its reputation. The New York portion is pretty terrible but Chicago and LA are decent enough. Chicago has the good tag title match and a well-done battle royal. LA has a decent Steamboat-Hercules match, a *very* underrated tag match with JYD & Tito against the Funks, and the main event which accomplished what it was supposed to do. But ultimately, even though I like Bundy, he's just not on the level of Hogan's other Mania main event opponents even if it was the first time that Hogan had been "injured."
As an American I can assure you that despite the popularity of that “where’s the beef” Wendy’s commercial which yeah sure it was well known in like 1987. N O B O D Y knew or considered that lady a Fuckin celebrity 😂😂 Putting her on the same list with literally anybody would be disrespectful, but Ray Charles, that’s so fucking funny.
They taped the gloves on Piper so he couldn’t grab down on the glove to make a fist properly ….. Roddy was a professional boxer before he was a wrestler and they didn’t want to take the chance of Roddy knocking out Mr.T because he easily could
Piper actually was a legit boxer. Watch that match a little more, and you can tell that Roddy was straight toying with Mr T (who's background was in amateur wrestling, not boxing).
0:56 they did WrestleMania 2 in 3 different cities because the NWA did Starrcade in 2 different cities the year before, one was Chicago and the one was in Greenbay (think it was Greenbay as the city was called Green something and Greenbay is the only thing that sounds right in my head. Maybe if I was American my geography of America might be better as I would probably give a shit about the country I live in. But since I don’t live there I give zero fucks about America)
How adorable, the crazy ape man is aggressively harassing a married woman... and if he wins he gets to keep her. Yep, clear hero. It's truly charming when he repeatedly gnaws on Macho Man's arm.
Susan St. James is Dick Ebersol's wife. Ebersol as most folks know is best buddies with Vince. That's how she got into the lousy "color" commentary spot.
3:53 - trying to read her lips, it seems like the poor old lady barely knows where she is, let alone giving her a Cue to speak a line...she looks to screen-left, "Now? is it Now?" stands up, and tries to say something else, but she's waving the mic like it has a flag on the end, and we've already discussed the Shitty Mics In General, on this show, so theres No Way the crowd heard anything they were supposed to hear from her... ...and yeah, thats all on top of the fact that a Wrestling Show-- the BIGGEST Wrestling Show, being a 'mania-- would try to pull some celebrity-rub from a Three-Word Commercial actress...chances are, if the timeline synced up better, they probly wouldve tried to work the Taco Bell Chihuahua into being "Pepper" (from the Al Snow/Big Boss Man feud)...like, instead of Pepper Steak, itd be a Chalupa of Chihuahua (or a Chihuahualupa, if you will)
I get folks across the pond not getting why Ray Charles singing this wasn't important to them...then I see how the UK still treat black people and it makes sense...didn't like it when Osw did it...don't like it here either. It's like Prince Andrew conducting a children's choir to sing a song called "what's a nonce really?"
I didn't think their talk about Ray was so bad here (and I laughed at how they bought into flying a plane blind over playing cards blind--they're right!) But OSW treating Aaron Neville like he was some talentless rando goofball was pretty bad, yes.
you guys are shitting on celebs youre too young to know its like kids today acting like john waynes a nobody the wheres the beef woman wasnt exactly john wayne, but during that era she was MASSIVELY over the entire nation knew her and the commercials it was a much different world today celebs dont have the name recognition they used to the wheres the beef woman is the best example of that. She got crazy famous for saying "wheres the beef" and is still talked about to this day.
with Roddy the more of a heel he was, the higher his voice was. "14 words, two really racist statements" i almost can't believe he said that. Even taking into account he would infact paint himself (half) black. If you think George Steele is hairy, wait til you see Dutch Mantel. Marc, show Pete Dutch Mantel ASAP.
As an old man, the largest pop for me was the Where's the Beef lady. She was beloved during this time when you couldn't watch any show without commercials. Susan St. James was there because I believe she was married to Dick Embersol, who was Vince's big partner in the production values of WWF during the time and he was instrumental in making WWF look so much better than any wrestling product
George "The Animal" Steele also played the role of wrestler turned "actor" Tor Johnson in the movie, "Ed Wood."
Vince did it because Starcade in 85 was held in 2 locations so he had to top that by having 3 locations! What a carny!
And then he created Survivor Series specifically so he could have it held on the exact same day as Starrcade '87 and tell ALL the PPV providers that they had a choice: either air WWF Survivor Series and *DO NOT_* air NWA/JCP Starrcade, or air Starrcade and not be allowed to air WWF Survivor Series nor air ANY OTHER WWF PPV EVER AGAIN! Including WrestleMania IV. And because WrestleMania III was far & away the biggest PPV in history at that time, basically all of them caved. As a result, that year's Starrcade was the _least_ viewed in history - viewed by next to nobody - and causing them to change the date of Starrcade to late December the next year and every year afterward until WCW went out of business in 2001 and got bought by WWF.
Exactly the reason 🎉
This channel deserves way more subs. Give it time. You'll be as big as OSW in no time.
Seems to have taken off these last few weeks , they're getting about 100 subs a day.
That's kind of weird innit? I'm not stalking them , I just noticed that it's going up at least 0.1k a day as I'm working my way through all their videos
@@grindelston5968 they are now required viewing for me. One of those channels I never miss an upload now. Love em.
They’re good but not OSW good
No one can beat The Lapsed Fan ✊️
The Where’s The Beef Lady was ‘UGE at the time! I was about 6 when this Mania happened, and yeah, it was kinda cool seeing her there! 😂
I’m from the U.S. BTW
Clara Peller
A kid from the 80s here and yes, everyone knew “Where’s the Beef?”. It was everywhere; bumper stickers, T-shirts, radio, TV…it truly was part of the zeitgeist
The NWA did a Starrcade from 2 locations in 85' and it looks like Vince wanted to one up the NWA
"I can't imagine Lord Alfred Hayes is toilet rigorous..."
Quote of the day!
George “The Animal” Steele also played the wrestler Tor Johnson in Ed Wood. He’s got some of the best lines in the movie, Do my toes!
Casting _perfection!_ - Love that movie! 👍
The scene with Bill Murray's Bunny Breckinridge is my favorite. Murray even did a taped speech for Steele's HOF induction.
Wow, that's pretty good - from what I've heard it's difficult getting Bill Murray to do anything especially if he's not really interested so he must have really taken a shine to the animal
This is making me want to do yet another full listen through of everything 😂
Susan Saint James was a major actress throughout the 70’s and 80’s. Kate and Allie was her last major show.
They may have had famous people that nowadays nobody has heard of, but heck it was 35 years ago. Current WWE has 'famous people' I've never heard of (Bad Bunny? Logan Paul?) that I have never heard of, even though they're supposedly famous now.
If you've never heard of one of the most successful musicians on earth, that doesn't mean he isn't famous. It means you haven't heard of someone extremely famous.
@@VelvetMetrolink Celebrity fragmentation is so much greater now than it was in 1986. Oh, I'm sure there were boomers who didn't know who Ozzy Osbourne was (possibly my parents), but Bad Bunny is a different kind of case that I don't know if he's comparable to someone from that time. And it's not just wrestling fans in a bubble--I watch SNL too and when Bad Bunny hosted I saw similar "Who is this?" discussion. This isn't a knock on the guy, but it's just that no one is as famous and no TV show or movie is as universally known now as the top shows were in the '80s and '90s. (Note that Kate & Allie and Silver Spoons do not qualify as "top shows.")
Susan St. James was married to Dick Ebersol who was then working with Vince on SNME.
Hahaha!
Dick!
I just discovered this channel today i love it these two are funny
One of the early Starrcades was held in several different locations, so it may also have been a case of "if the NWA can do it, we can do it"
Can't wait for Wrestlemania 6 now, that episode was hilarious. 🤣
@banyabat your editing is everything
George Steele was apparently a very credible heel for years before they turned him into a comedy act.
HOLY SHIT.......Alfred got handled by the Funks. That was borderline torture.
Love the channel. OSW better step their game up fast.
Oh god! Once again The English & The Irish are at war!
But who will Wrestling Bios side with?!
Susan Saint James is one of the best Celebrity guests they ever had. She got right into the craziness especially durring the George Steele/Randy Savage match.
Roddy Piper had a high voice but he's the only heel where a high voice has actually worked well, other than maybe Paul bearer.
Think of what we missed out on tho. Stone Cold's heel turn could have been accompanied by a Joe Pasquale impression
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4:39 So from this clip we know that Vince was using juice as far back as 1986.
Susan St James played Rock Hudson’s wife in “McMillan and Wife”in the 70s.
It did air in the UK coz I remember watching it.
It was to out do Starrcade 85 which was done in 2 venues. But instead of going back and forth they did All of New York, Chicago, then LA, West coast was LA, New York, Chicago.
George Steele vs. Dutch Mantell let's gooooo!
You guys are informed and hilarious.
Piper's voice is high af cos he is.
“Timing is what rail-way rapists rely on” holy shit 😂
dudes I’m goin thru the archives watching every video bc I’m laid up post-op. So many missed gems,You guys are too quick with it 😂😂😂
He might have playing cards embossed with braille
Susan St James is at Wrestlemania in such a prominent role because she is married to Dick Ebersol who was the head of NBC Sports at the time and Vince McMahon had just signed a big deal to have WWF appear on a prime time spot on Saturday nights when SNL was off. I'm sure that was the reason why some random tv actress was at Wrestlemania.
8:49 - ohhhh-ho-ho, thats cheeky...thats a Really good "Spoilers/not spoiling" visual...
...thats Left-Cheeky (Roddy's left, at least)...
Lord Alfred always looks like he's up to something. He's great
6:55 - thats just the way Ray "jazzes up" his songs-- another WrestleMe video talked about Little Richard's rendition, which was also 'jazzed up', but Rich was also trying to Lip-Sync with a dubbed version and couldnt match the improvised parts-- Ray Charles would "jazz up" songs by damn-near having a full-on conversation with the listener..."oh beautiful, forrrrr spacious skies [whats your name, honey?] for amber waaaaves of grainnnnn [whatchu do for a livin?] for purple moun, taaa-ai-innnns, majesty [how long you work there?] above! ...the fruited plain!! [oh, your Sister got you the job?]"
...but, seeing his thick glasses and grey hair, and hearing the way they Describe it, i can accept the 'alternative headcanon' that Ray was legitimately asking a question mid-song, "Amerrrrrrica! [what am i singin about?] Aaaaaamerrrricaa [what am i doin up here?] god shed his grace [where am i?] on theeeeeeeee..."
Jim Myers was also a football coach at a high school in Michigan
Way to slip a Red Letter Media reference into the video title
I liked the 3 locations idea. I'd like to see Mania in New York, Canada and Puerto Rico. Or just 2 locations since its two nights.
You know what's really wild? You're talking about the karaoke montage, and in the long shot of Hulk Hogan in front of the American flag at 5:48, the flag only has 48 stars. However, this Wrestlemania isn't that old - Alaska became a state in the 50s. So this is just an old, outdated flag.
00:45 I think they did it to try and be different. Live Aid might have been and influence, but it also allowed then to put butts in seats in 3 different arenas.
Also Starrcade had been from 2 locations (Greensboro and Atlanta). It was a way to try to one-up Crockett. Basil DeVito's History of WrestleMania coffee table book is suprisingly frank about why this ultimately didn't work: 3 locations means 3 crews, 3 trucks, 3 directors, etc. You're tripling costs (not to mention the insane celebrity overload) for not all that great of a return on all that spending. Mania 2 would have to do 3 times the business of Mania 1 for it to make financial sense.
tbf, Mr T mentioned in interviews that the sparring on Rocky III wasn't faked in any way. Plus, T was at one point a bodyguard to people like Ali, Frazier and Spinks, so it's quite likely he picked a few things up along the way.
I did catering logistics for the 2012 Olympics but its made me neither Gordon Ramsey nor Mo Farah
@@stalfithrildi5366 Yeah, because your job involved neither of those skills. Being a bodyguard involves being pretty damn tough - it's sort of in the job description.
T was also a champion high school wrestler. Not saying he'd be an MMA champ today but he was more than just muscles and necklaces.
What WAS going on with Roddy's voice?? 7:14
The one thing they forgot was Ray also learned how to shoot dope for himself too
Bine is wearing a suit from the future.
Has anyone noticed how much time macho man spends on his tip toes 😂😂
"Where's the beef?" Lady was a cultural phenomenon in the States and Canada. Hard to explain but someone got wealthy off of t-shirt sales.
It was so ubiquitous that it made its way to the Democratic Primary. You know that Simpsons gag with the headline "MONDALE TO HART: 'WHERE'S THE BEEF?'"? That wasn't just something they made up for the show. Mondale actually said that. Clara Peller was bigger than Flo the Progressive Lady or the "Can You Hear Me Now?" guy.
I love you guys 😂
Susan St.James was the wife of NBC head Dick Ebersol at the time.
3:34 Holy crap those mics look like clown noses, they're a lot bigger than I recall seeing as a kid. 😂😂🤣😂
George the animal Steele, the hairiest wrestler? I raise you Prince Albert
Hey these guys are pissing all over my childhood.
as they should
Even as a kid I knew Mania 2 was very much a lesser show. And I also didn't know most of the celebrities. That said, looking back, I really don't think it's *as* bad as its reputation. The New York portion is pretty terrible but Chicago and LA are decent enough. Chicago has the good tag title match and a well-done battle royal. LA has a decent Steamboat-Hercules match, a *very* underrated tag match with JYD & Tito against the Funks, and the main event which accomplished what it was supposed to do. But ultimately, even though I like Bundy, he's just not on the level of Hogan's other Mania main event opponents even if it was the first time that Hogan had been "injured."
No way dude did that laugh at 12:21
Poor Lord Hayes 😂
Lasorda and the Ricker were pretty good gets tbh.
As an American I can assure you that despite the popularity of that “where’s the beef” Wendy’s commercial which yeah sure it was well known in like 1987.
N O B O D Y knew or considered that lady a Fuckin celebrity 😂😂
Putting her on the same list with literally anybody would be disrespectful, but Ray Charles, that’s so fucking funny.
8:49
Haha, oh banyabat
And Susan St James was Dick Ebersol's (producer of Saturday Night's Main Event) partner at the time - total nepotism!
They taped the gloves on Piper so he couldn’t grab down on the glove to make a fist properly ….. Roddy was a professional boxer before he was a wrestler and they didn’t want to take the chance of Roddy knocking out Mr.T because he easily could
Piper actually was a legit boxer. Watch that match a little more, and you can tell that Roddy was straight toying with Mr T (who's background was in amateur wrestling, not boxing).
Robert Conrad, the stiffest worker in Hollywood. He used to beat the shit out of stuntmen.
Susan St James was a fairly famous tv star. Very nice woman, as well.
Piper was a boxer in the past
ONLY WRESTLEMANIA IN HISTORY ON A MONDAY
Believe it or not piper actually was a boxer
At the time the where's the beef lady was more popular the the actors or atleast more recognizable
0:56 they did WrestleMania 2 in 3 different cities because the NWA did Starrcade in 2 different cities the year before, one was Chicago and the one was in Greenbay (think it was Greenbay as the city was called Green something and Greenbay is the only thing that sounds right in my head. Maybe if I was American my geography of America might be better as I would probably give a shit about the country I live in. But since I don’t live there I give zero fucks about America)
Where does it say, what the world has come to? 0:10?
How adorable, the crazy ape man is aggressively harassing a married woman... and if he wins he gets to keep her. Yep, clear hero. It's truly charming when he repeatedly gnaws on Macho Man's arm.
Mr. t = Clubber Lang
Susan St. James is Dick Ebersol's wife. Ebersol as most folks know is best buddies with Vince. That's how she got into the lousy "color" commentary spot.
3:53 - trying to read her lips, it seems like the poor old lady barely knows where she is, let alone giving her a Cue to speak a line...she looks to screen-left, "Now? is it Now?" stands up, and tries to say something else, but she's waving the mic like it has a flag on the end, and we've already discussed the Shitty Mics In General, on this show, so theres No Way the crowd heard anything they were supposed to hear from her...
...and yeah, thats all on top of the fact that a Wrestling Show-- the BIGGEST Wrestling Show, being a 'mania-- would try to pull some celebrity-rub from a Three-Word Commercial actress...chances are, if the timeline synced up better, they probly wouldve tried to work the Taco Bell Chihuahua into being "Pepper" (from the Al Snow/Big Boss Man feud)...like, instead of Pepper Steak, itd be a Chalupa of Chihuahua (or a Chihuahualupa, if you will)
I get folks across the pond not getting why Ray Charles singing this wasn't important to them...then I see how the UK still treat black people and it makes sense...didn't like it when Osw did it...don't like it here either. It's like Prince Andrew conducting a children's choir to sing a song called "what's a nonce really?"
I didn't think their talk about Ray was so bad here (and I laughed at how they bought into flying a plane blind over playing cards blind--they're right!) But OSW treating Aaron Neville like he was some talentless rando goofball was pretty bad, yes.
@@pronkb000 wholeheartedly agree about Aaron Neville. Legend.
you guys are shitting on celebs youre too young to know
its like kids today acting like john waynes a nobody
the wheres the beef woman wasnt exactly john wayne, but during that era she was MASSIVELY over
the entire nation knew her and the commercials
it was a much different world
today celebs dont have the name recognition they used to
the wheres the beef woman is the best example of that. She got crazy famous for saying "wheres the beef" and is still talked about to this day.
Gorge is like a Gorilla
I just want more 80s Elvira and less of Cassandra Peterson in her 70s.
Piper was a good boxer s a younger man. Actually a much better boxer than Mr. T.
Someone should make braille cards for the blind! Oh wait...
100% of the people in the United States in 1986 knew who Clara Pellar was.
2 was truly terrible.
Susan st james arguably worst guest commntator ever or uh uh maybe art donovan
Ozzys original nose as well lmfao
Hulk Hogan doing heavy chins
(. )( .) Elvira 🥴
with Roddy the more of a heel he was, the higher his voice was. "14 words, two really racist statements" i almost can't believe he said that. Even taking into account he would infact paint himself (half) black.
If you think George Steele is hairy, wait til you see Dutch Mantel. Marc, show Pete Dutch Mantel ASAP.
And he would indeed show him "Dirty" Dootch Mantel!