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Great video - I think this unit is the new benchmark right now. They have literally packed everything possible into this unit, other than fuel injection and perhaps a bluetooth monitoring app like Honda now has. It's hard to imagine what Genmax has coming in the future!
Thank you for sharing a very well done, very informative video that covered a lot of bases for someone like myself looking to purchase a generator invertor.
Thats our concern too. We have the Powerhorse 7500 Inverter and have unresolvable issues. We'll get the GenMax 10500 if parts and advise is available. We love out GenMaxs, all bought on Johnnys recommendations. Wish they were as quiet at the Harbor Freights.
Found out something strange about the gas amount required for this generator (actually it's twin under TMG Industrial). I had assumed that it would need a 1/2 inch gas hose so hired a gas guy to install a tap from my entrance point to enable the correct amount of natural gas to be available for the 10500 generator. Just out of curiosity, I installed the correct 1/2 inch quick connect to the existing 3/8 barbeque outlet and it WORKS GREAT.. The unit seems to run perfectly even on a smaller 3/8 pipe. I added a draw of 3000 watts and no problems. I don't know if it would function properly at maximum draw of 6800 watts but this was quite a pleasant surprise non the less.
Interesting normally if not right next to the main supply you would normally need a 1/2 inch at least for larger gens. May have to do a larger load test to see your limit. But remember if only the gen is running and not a heater or stove that will changes things. Thanks for the info
@@johnnysweekends Yes, you have a good point !! This barbeque outlet is after the gas hot water heater and after the gas stove, neither of which were actually on when i did this test. I loaded it up to 3000 watts with no difficulties but I will try it when the gas stove is on and when the water heater is actually working. As you say, it might be a case of nothing else drawing gas while I was doing the test allowing it to work properly with the smaller outlet (but failing when the other appliances are drawing gas at the same time). The power will be off this coming Sunday 24th November for a full day for maintenance during which I will be powering the whole home with the generator using the smaller barbeque outlet. I will let you know if I experience any difficulties during the day long "test"
Nice review!!! Seems like a solid unit with the likes of Honda or Predator options. They threw everything minus EFI at this model. Included battery charger is a new thing which shows they understand what consumers want. Kudos to Genmax for listening. With the included ATS this is a great solution for home use with a perma nent gas line. The problem with these units is fuel comsumption. If you have a lengthy power outage you need a large amount of fuel storage. For this reason I went with multiple smaller units knowing they sip fuel and can conserve if needed. With 40 gallons (8 cans) I can run for more than a week. This was tested after a hurricane. On the 4th day gas lines were significantly shorter and by 5th day you had access to multiple gas station options which were getting fuel delivered daily. I started refueling 10 gallons a day on day 6 just to be safe. By the 8th day I had power restored and used up my full 40 gallons. Ran 24/7 with 1 or 2 (night) and used 3 when needed during day. Only 120V so no hot showers :-(
Thank you 👍🏼😀 And yes nice unit for sure for those wanting big power. The charger was my idea 😁👍🏼 I talked to them during the Vegas show for ideas and we have talked since so some things like the 12v coming back was also a idea I threw at them as well. 👍🏼 EFI…. Well…..that’s another idea as well 😁😉
So I was actually looking at getting another generator for after my Honda wears out and originally I had just leave ignored these genmax brand because I thought they were junk But now I'll have to go back and look at those
Yea they are coming along well. And now that I’m seeing more and more of the eu6500 and eu7000fi units having so many issues and at that price, it’s hard to justify it. But I stop recommend a warranty with most any of these no matter the brand
that sine wave was actually pretty impressive in my opinion for how much load you were pulling. Im impressed! How is Genmax's warranty as well as parts availability. Those are my 2 biggest worries for something like that. Something beneficial about honda's is their parts are available for a long time (priced like gold chains thought)
When I was in Vegas with Genmax they said they were camping up parts availability for there models and customer service. The parts warehouse is in sandiego but some parts are a little universal which can be found on eBay and such. But now they have thing you can replace and fix. But yea Honda you can get parts for a while. Although my inverter board for my eu3000is was discontinued and no superseded number was available so I got rid of it
@@johnnysweekends oh wow that sucks. Maybe thats because they released the Eu3200i? I do know that if fuel injector parts fail they are expensive to replace. I saw that the fuel injectors for the EU7000IS are like 550$. Maybe thats why Genmax hasnt gone fuel injection. Does fuel injection matter to you?
Fi has its pros and cons like anything. For me I’m a pretty mechanical guy so I don’t have a lot of issues when it comes to storage and such. I under loads and jetting and more. A carb swap and parts are cheap like $30-$60 and doesn’t take long to swap small engine carbs. If fuel injection is new then parts will be spendy for a few years till there is a lot of parts and also aftermarket as well. It does start nice and is more fuel efficient so…again the pros and cons
Thanks for the video Johnny! I have the predator 9500 and am very happy with it. If this existed when I bought it I would certainly consider for the tri-fuel.
I have been considering converting my Honda EU6500i to run on natural gas. However, the additional cost is about $1000 for the kit and the natural gas guy to convert the barbeque outlet so I can hook up the generator. Instead, I would sell this Honda unit and buy the Genmax 10500 unit and have money in my pocket....but..but...it's not available in Canada and parts and service availability are minimal right now (and non existent in Canada), and the quality of the unit is still unknown (although I would take a chance on that). Maybe this will be doable some time in the future....(sooner rather than later I hope)
They can be a little finicky depending on load or what’s plugged in. I noticed this to sometimes and was wondering gfi or the load and some tripped. But more and more I’m wondering if the gfi is causing the issues
In the case of my Honda 5000 SX my gen was in a compartment and the GFI outlet ran a cooling fan. The GFI tripped but caught it in time. The manual states that this generator should not be used in medical applications. Now you know why! Reliability. When this happened to me the GFI's came out the next day. Unfortunately in our litigous society the manufacturers have to cover their collective butts. @@johnnysweekends
The sine wave distortion right at 0v is probably due to no physical ground to reference. Read the manual it probably has a spot for a ground jumper if the connection you’re plugging into doesn’t have an earth ground.
Yes it will self adjust as needed this helps save fuel and does keep it quieter. But for large loads that will be on and off keep the low idle off so it can handle them properly
Would you know how long a tank ( like yours) of propane last at just normal use in a home. Refrigerator, hot water, tv, lights & bedroom outlets? Just an approx?
You could buy almost 3 of these for one Honda and have more power and probably still be ahead. Go read the problems with the eu7000 EFI units. Not cheap to fix
Hey Johnny great channel! I have a genmax 9000 ied but I would like it to run on natural gas. Have you swapped the regulator and fuel switch from the 10500 to the 9000? It's the same engine so it should work, right?
Propane works with no battery and pretty sure gas does as well but you need to manually choke it. Sorry I don’t remember… May have to check again if both works
Will these put out 240v with just 1 generator, or do you have to parallel 2 generators together to get 240v like some of the solar generators. Looking for the best option to fast charge a Delta Pro Ultra setup in case there is no solar
I’ll be doing a designated full Load test probably next week. The book says 6000 watt at 120…but the generator spec sticker says different. Wouldn’t be the first time I have seen a Misprint on the one or the other. So will see.
Pending on how much the discount gets off I might go with it. I really want this with just the dual fuel. I don’t need the natural gas and I’m sure that’s adding to the expense of the unit. I could pull the trigger on the 9000 but the extra power on this gives me fomo.
Can you use the 14-30 240v plug and the 14-50 240v plug at the same time? I’d like to run my house on the 14-50 plug while my 2 Delta Pro’s w/ 4 extra batteries quick charge from the 14-30 plug.
That little bit of distortion it’s honestly probably caused by the quality of wire in the RV. harmonic oscillation is what is probably happening. At least from my limited knowledge.
Yea from my studying it was not true distortion from the unit. At least that I know off. But yea agree probably the trailer lol. They are all cheap lol
Hey ...what do you recommend today? I need a generator..either predator or champion dual fuel...I will be using propane. I am leaning towards Champion 4650
Completely untechnical person here. I was told that you can have an electrician provide you with a plug/box next to your main fuse box and you can plug a wire from this generator into it. Then you can use your switches/appliances in the house normally without having several wires all over the place. Is that correct?
@@bryandunkley8239 I dunno how long before it’s an issue but you don’t want to leave the generator powered on long term because it’ll drain the battery and then electric start won’t work at all. How long it can sit around with the battery on (ready for remote start), I’m not totally sure.
Good video, thank you. I'm kinda diggin' this generator. Waiting for the gremlins to get worked out. Once they come out with Gen 2 I may jump on one of these. Will you do a follow-up on this generator after a few hundred hours? Let us know how much metal you pulled during break in with the magnetic dip stick? In the meantime, subscribed, bell rang, commented, liked, upvoted, shared .... may the algorithm gods continue to smile favorably upon your channel.
not in stock on the amazon link. how much is this? only says "Currently unavailable" and doesnt list a price ;) if i'm upgrading my 5000w dual fuel gasoline/propane, this looks like a nice unit. for those concerned about the lack of fuel injection, if you're running natgas or propane, it bypasses the carb, so you never need to clean the carb if you dont run it on gasoline
Very true statement…! I’ve said this but maybe I’m not clear enough lol. 😂 Oh see if this works…. Shows it does but yea it could be out of stock already 🫤 Make sure you use promo code amzn.to/3OO24uy
So if you are using this above 5000 ft MSL do you need to re-jet the carb? Or better question if you burn LP only does that mean you do not have to worry about using it above 5000 ft?@@johnnysweekends
@MrCKM1962 hello, yes a carb reject will be necessary if you use gasoline above about 3500ft unless you plan to only use it for a few hours or so. Long term continued use then yes a reject. If using propane then no reject is needed…😀👍🏼
I recently purchased this unit and works exceptionally well other than the minute/hour meter resetting and when i turn it off using propane. I always get a small backfire after turning off the controls in order according to the directions. The spark plug is gapped correctly, so it just may be the LP in the line. Does anyone else have this pop at the end? Should i turn the LP off first, then the switch to off? I've been shutting it down using the power off button, switch, and then LP off.
Hello, couple tips. Ditch the stock Torque spark plug and get a NKG and then if only running LPG close the gap to about .018-.020ths. Also turn LPG off first to clear the line till gen dies. Then shut off the rest. Unless you are going to run it on and off a lot. But if shutting off for the duration or several hours like 8 or more best to close tank.
Great video. I bought one of these but can't get it started. I've been through the manual and filled with oil. I've tried to start it with gasoline and LP. Any suggestions?
Looking at running my whole home but cant decide between an inverter or just regular generator and do i really need an in verter generator looking for some input
You don’t need an inverter Gen unless you have sensitive electronics or certain items that require an inverter generator like maybe power stations from Ecoflow or Bluetti. But big back up batteries like Enphase or telsa can use a regular generator. They are normally quieter and more fuel efficient but more expensive and heavier
@@johnnysweekends thanks alot only thing would be tvs maybe washing machine and idk about the washing machine electronics where it's a newer washer so now deciding on a generator thanks a bunch again
Hi Sarah, I’m hoping to have the code fixed by tonight or sooner. I’ll make a post about it and update the code and also try and remind you it’s working. Thank you and sorry, I didn’t have any control over that 😒
These are suspiciously inexpensive.... It makes me concerned about the longevity of the units... but I've REALLY been needing a 120/240v inverter genset... and for the cost they seem like they're worth the risk
Yea I agree but like some things, I think this is a intro price like the new predator. I think in 6 months this could go up a few hundred dollars. Same as the new small predator. I bet it goes up as well.
It could be interesting to see someone crack the code for how to actually use the ATS. Great and all there is a cable there, but what do you plug it into? It seems there is some vaporware ATS box out there, but otherwise not sure what the average Joe is going to do with that plug. A quick look at the manual makes me think you could possibly control this with an R-Pi, some relays, and maybe some other hardware. Just have to figure out the nuances for sending the control signals before programming the R-Pi, but shouldn't be too difficult. If I understand correctly, start and emergency off are both pull-downs to ground and running is 12V off of the alternator. So going through the pin-out, you have 12V power, ground, a start pin to pull down to ground with a relay, an emergency stop pin to pull down to ground with a relay, and a 12V running power pin. So once you have these pins in order for your setup, then you need to signal your main power relays to break from shore power and attach to generator power while being careful to never have shore and generator power hooked up at the same time. It sounds doable, but then you gotta actually get it right. Then you need to get sign off to actually use it if they will even let you use whatever you cobbled together. The R-Pi programming might be pretty dumb in that it is more of a timer with some sensing. You may also put some extra circuitry to make it impossible to to have generator power and shore power connected at the same time in case there is a coding error, a problem with your wiring or even a fault with one of your relays. So: 1. Normal: Sense if shore power is there. If shore power is available, sleep X time and check again. If shore power is lost, wait X number of seconds, check again, and then move on to Start. 2. Start: Loop that senses for 12V running power. If no running power, then close and then open the 'start' relay to start the generator and wait X seconds for generator to start. Else (there is running power), break out of Start loop. 3. Warmup: a. Sense for generator 240V power. If generator 240V power does not come on after X number of seconds, then go back to start. b. (Generator 240V power detected) Sleep for X seconds while generator warms up, then proceed. 3. Run: After start, go here. a. Check once more for shore power, if not detected, disconnect shore power. Else (shore power detected), go to Stop. b. Wait 1 second and then connect generator 240V power relay. c. Loop checking for shore power sense and doing short sleeps between checks. If shore power is detected, sleep for X seconds and check again. If shore power still there, break out of loop. d. Shore power considered back, disconnect generator relay. Wait 1 second and then connect shore power relay. e. Wait X number of seconds (Cool down). Check if shore power is still there. If it is not, go back to top of Run. Else go to Stop. 4. Stop: Connect and disconnect 'stop' relay to trigger the emergency stop of the generator. Go to Normal. Note: If the generator 240V breaker trips, this ATS controller routine will not know by design. The thought being a human should get involved at this point, fix the cause of the breaker fault, and then reset the breaker. Note: If your 240V generator breaker is off, then this will harmlessly go between Start and Warmup without performing any actual actions, just checks. This will make sure the generator is ready once you notice this breaker is off and possibly restart the generator in case you turn it off while trying to figure out what is going on. Or if the generator stalls for whatever reason, it will try to restart it. Once you flip the 240V generator breaker on, then this will just move on and get things switched over to using generator power.
@@johnnysweekends I suppose another thing is I saw someone go into one of the vaporware boxes out there and there was no central relay. Instead there is a relay for each side, shore power and generator power and they just tie together into one set of output lines. I would think you would want a relay where both inputs go into with one set of outputs and then it does a break before make switch mechanically with a single physical mechanism for all poles. The idea being it is physically impossible to back feed generator power into the grid. If the switch fails, then either it is stuck on one of the two inputs or it is stuck off. If instead you have what I saw in the vaporware ATS, if one of the relays has an issue, there is a risk of say the generator relay getting stuck on, even if small, then shore power connecting back or something to the like and causing a backfeed issue with a high powered generator. That could be bad. Even if it is rare, the B737 MAX dive like crazy issue ultimately happened when a sensor malfunctioned and without proper engineering, that led to two whole plane crashes and loss of all hands. So inherently safe is good.
I would like to see a direct head to head vs the predator 9500. Predator is 6.8 gallon tank, 18.5 hours at 25% load which is 1900w continuous. This genmax is a 6.9 gallon tank rated for 14 hours at 25% load which is 2125w continuous. So in terms of efficiency per watt, it appears the predator is more efficient. The predator is about 20% more efficient per gallon than the genmax. I did a bit of math and it appears the predator provides about 5169wh per gallon while the genmax provides 4311wh per gallon. If anyone was curious. This would mean the predator would go through a gallon of gasoline in about 2.72 hours while the genmax would go through a gallon in about 2 hours. Overall predator is more efficient but genmax has slightly higher output 7600w continuous on the predator vs 8500w on genmax. If anyone has anything else to add/correct please drop a reply below! Good video Johnny! Let’s see that head to head 😤
Thank you. So some things that are different Predator $2499 Genmax $2899 Predator gas only Genmax tri fuel and includes all accessories Genmax longer standard warranty Genmax remote start Genmax quieter Genmax lighter by a couple pounds Genmax more output power Genmax cool display and a light 😂😁👍🏼 Genmax 3% THD Predator 5% THD Now fuel consumption……I think they are all wrong as again it’s a pretty controlled test. So many variables like load and ambient temp can give different real world results Now predator says .37gph @25% load Genmax in the manual says 2.195 l/h or .58gph. They have almost the exact same size engine. 458cc genmax, 459cc predator. I can’t imagine they can be that far off unless Genmax runs a much richer condition than the predator which means they run a real lean mixture. So fuel tests very a lot unless you do the same unit on the same day with the same amount of fuel using the same Load. Sure can be done, but odd they would be so much different. Maybe the predator is more efficient gas wise…🤷🏼♂️ But the Genmax wins mostly everywhere else. So until a definite fuel test can be done won’t know for sure. Good post for sure to give some back and forth pros and cons 😀👍🏼👊🏼
@@johnnysweekends for sure, I didn’t bother comparing the other options but the trifuel on the genmax is my attention grabber. I would like to see you test all of the claims you mentioned above though! I’m a bit apprehensive trying genmax due to the tests project farm noted with the 2000w one. Higher wear metals, not full sine wave, etc. I would just like to see claimed results vs real world results for both! I think that would be an awesome comparison! Perhaps a bit long but I think it would see which is the “cleanest” power wise and which is the most accurate on their claims! Thanks for the reply Johnny!
Yea the wear metal test was skewed, I told him when doing this on generators you need to change the oil once or twice to remove the assembly grease. It’s a flatly looking grease they use to lube the engine while it sits on the shelves and can skew the oil analysis test. So hopefully he does at least one or two oil changes before the oil analysis next time to wash the engine.
@@johnnysweekends the oil test at the end was the second oil change for all generators in that video. Halfway through the testing he changed the oil after that had ran for a few hours. The oil analysis at the end was the second oil change after close to 100 hours on each generator so each generator did have a flush oil change ran though prior to the oil being analyzed. This is why it is worrisome. It’s not required in the manual to change the oil so short (within 2 hours like he did) but that first oil change should have gotten rid of any contaminants/etc. so the second oil change was a accurate result of normal use. The predator shut off from low oil during that test which isn’t good but the genmax is wearing metal in the engine for sure. You should do a engine oil analysis on this one to see if that is a model specific finding etc!
Interesting I’ll have to rewatch. I watched it when it first came out so been a while. Plus I don’t have the excess funding Todd has 😂 but I’ll have to see what the costs are
Johnny, Genmax updated its version, as far as I know. Am I wrong on this one? If not, I'm assuming the one off Amazon is being the updated one, correct me if I'm wrong please!
Sweet! I'll get one off your link, did you fix that promo code thing by the way? My wife will be thrilled that I saved a buck when I tell her 😜 I've been waiting for that puppy for months, cant wait to start it up and see how it works. Already have 30amp and 50amp inlets installed with an interlock switch.
@@johnnysweekends 🤣🤣 she already knows there will be a new gadget. Johnny, I've spent over 10k so far on my garage, and it started with making a spot for this Genmax, I just "went with the flow" 😬🤦😜
The comments on Amazon have been split at best, especially around the supply chain concerns when issues arise and receiving the actual continuous watts. Anyone own this unit and can comment?
Yes a discount code or “new” code is being created. The original one has a problem so its created a delay. Hoping any time I should have it back up and posted. Check back or ill repost here
Mine didn’t back fire. But I’m only using propane. Plus most all new generators are setup a little lean at idle for emissions. But what you read is also just here-say, all of them? Some of them? One of them? Every single time on one generator ?
@@johnnysweekendsthanks for the reply. During hurricane Ike i purchased a generator and it backfired very loudly. I was very alarmed and honestly my Kid started it up after that under my supervision. I have not tested my Genmax yet; but I know if it backfires it’s going to scare me. I plan to use propane and eventually natural gas.
@@johnnysweekendsI got my electrician to assist me with doing a test run and practice connecting it to my 50amp inlet. The test run went perfect! I feel very comfortable as a female being able to use such a large and powerful generator. Thank you for your response and informative videos on this tri-fuel. I did get a Honda 2200i as my backup for short power outages. I’m in Texas so it’s a necessity.
I know they messed up again, I’m so sorry for this. They are going to bump the discount higher for the mistake. Tomorrow morning or this evening I’ll have the new code. Thanks for your patience and understanding
I am looking for a tri fuel inverter generator for my 1400 sqft home. No less than 9k run time on NG. I would like to have an inverter generator but the only tri fuel with enough watts was a tri fuel Duromax and it doesn't have an inverter. I need it to last days at a time in case of natural disaster. I have been searching for some time and no one has been able to give me enough information to make my decision. It's a lot of money so I need all the helpful information I can get. If I have to go with a non inverter, I guess it would be the Duromax XP13000. I like the Champion tri fuel inverter but dont think it will have the power Duromax does.
Well I think no matter what no one can give you the correct answer. Some people can get buy with a 2200 watt unit which sips fuel. But only powers some basics. The Genmax is a nice unit and should power most anything you need. But normally when the power goes out you sacrifice and power what you need. Do you need to power one fridge and maybe wifi if it even works? Maybe two fridges and coffee ? Or the whole home and ac as well. It all depends what you can live with and for how long. A large generator burns a lot more fuel. Especially using natural gas. Just not as many btu’s so you get lower power out put just like it says on the specs. If you don’t want to worry about power and always have enough then the Genmax will fit a lot of needs. Just know it will burn more fuel. If you don’t need as much then a medium sized unit can save on space, cost and fuel. So once you decide what you really need to power then you can decide on a small, medium or large unit.
@johnnysweekends I believe, after reading all the comments, this Genmax would be the better generator for our home. I'm figuring in the possibility of medical equipment for my Mom in the future.
@pjperalta5298 definitely good for whole home back up but if you only need a couple devices a smaller unit would save a lot of fuel. Build you need to power large devices then this will cover most everything you need 👍🏼
Be aware, genmax hos refused to provide me a pinout or instructions on how the ats port works. The wiring diagram is included, but no details on how to use the ats port at all.
That’s probably because they don’t want to give away info on how it works for others. It’s for them and there own transfer switch. Which they are finishing up. If no one else has one on a portable unit. I don’t think I would give info on how it works either. When you buy the transfer switch you use there own. Kinda like a generac I don’t think they will give you all the info as well. You use the generac transfer switch
@@johnnysweekends true, but it seems misleading to say o product supports ats, but not have one for sale yet. Also, Westinghouse has portable units with the exact same ats plug & wiring diagram. I will be designing a conversation box to allow this generator to work with any two wire start ats, if anyone is interested.
Are there Chinese motors in these? Also from what I’ve seen the Honda eu7000is is severely underrated, there are videos of it putting out almost 10000 watts. What is your take on that? I do want to buy an inverter but having a hard time making a decision, price will not affect my choice. I just want the very best most reliable for an extended emergency. Thank you, also you made an EXCELLENT informative video.
All the new gens even the Yamahas are coming with Chinese made engines. The eu7000 is or was a good unit but in the forums and groups several are having problems with injection pump and a couple other items which is showing to be a spendy fix. Especially if the dealer does it. One post on there a eu7000 efi was under warranty and the dealer couldn’t get Honda to cover it, and the part wasn’t even available for several months. So that’s a $7000 paper weight plus the repairs. Honda is still good but I dont know if they are reliable like 10 years ago and more. I always recommend a insurance plan / warranty when buying.
Science needs to invent those generators that make no noise at all and that we can use the sun as energy, and then spend day and night without need of electricity.Maybe in 100 years?.Little less?.
If you have a contact at Genmax, ask them if it might be possible to introduce a model with significantly more momentary starting wattage from idle speed. I have a Predator 9500 right now. It has no trouble starting my 2.5T reciprocating compressor AC with a soft start, but it struggles to do the same from idle. Same thing with my well pump. Once stabilized my house rarely draws more than 5kw continuous. If they could pack some more reserve capacity into the inverter electronics everyone would benefit. 15k peak (1s max) would be amazing. PS: This is still splash lubrication, right?
Of course, I fully expect an inverter genset's engine speed to vary by load. The point I was trying to make is such that when these units are idled down their momentary max output is limited primarily by the inverter electronics. If the manufacturers can beef up the reserve capacity in the inverter circuit (larger capacitors?) the starting loads could be handled with less dependence on the engine speed rapidly increasing. Certainly, this comes with a higher price tag, but I think it would be worth the cost of admission. With soft starters installed on my 2.5T AC (reciprocating compressor, not scroll) and my 1HP well pump, my Predator 9500 has no issues starting either of them when it is running full speed. If I've got the genset idled down in "eco mode" it can start the well pump without too much fuss, but sometimes the AC soft starter will fail to start the compressor because of inadequate current available. It is usually successful on a second attempt. All that said, when I run the genset in the summer months I usually end up leaving it at full speed so the genset isn't caught off guard. @@johnnysweekends
I agree it would be nice to have a genset be able to run at low engine rpm and store the energy needed in capacitors then boost to start the load like a mini soft start installed in the gen. And yea when temps get higher power of the gens start to drop.
Good generator. 6000watts on natural gas isn't to bad. Can run a pretty good single person house with that or small family that isn't power hungry for energy. If your system has a well or city pump that isn't unpowered in a black out. You'd just hook this badboy up and run off gas to energy. Stick this sucker in the garage or a shed and run a hose extender for the exhaust out to a exhaust vent and you should be golden. No thieves to slap on or take the machine and it'd be way quieter from the other houses. From the looks of it. Natural gas will run a house at 6600watts either from the 220-30amp twist or the 4 pin 240-50 (at half power.). Kinda shame they only give the 8500watts to gas. And 8000 for propane. But if you're energy light for basic for AC/Heater system, Washer/gas-drier, Fridge, Gas water heater, gas stove/oven. You should be able to work for the rest of the stuff without any problems unless you're packing quite a few desktop PC's running over 500watts on a family set per kid/hobby/wife deal. Thought if your house is mostly electric of the AC/-Heater system, Water heater, Stove/Oven, and Drier. I'd say not to run those roughly at much on generator mode. AC/heater can already cook over 3000-4000watts for a Central system. Electric Drier will probably cook over 1500watts running. Electric stoves run 1000watts almost per burner. Not continuing the oven coil. And water heater probably cooks around 1500 or more watts or so when it clicks on. So for people who are more on the gas drive will probably be able to easily fly in a black out if it's local and not shutting your water or gas vines offline to. (Though i bet the gas bill will sky rocket lol.)
The problem with natural gas is you won’t see good performance. You’ll see diminished numbers and people will think it’s a weak unit. But that would be with any generator running on NG. A 20% cut in power is a decent chunk and if it’s really hot it could be 30% or more, as heat will rob power with any fuel source. NG has way less btu and you’ll use 6 times the amount to generator the same power a gallon of gas will. Now this could work out if NG costs in your area are super cheap, and you don’t need that extra power. Running a generator at 80% and above it’s rated load all the time will decrease it’s life so you should upgrade to a larger unit if you are in that range.
@@johnnysweekends To me the benefit of natural gas is you never have to worry about running out of fuel, unless the gas lines to your house are shut off. Great testing, thanks for the vid.
@@johnnysweekends No disrespect, but most of the Generator Companies now; are adding the NG feature also. Making it a "Tri-Fuel" Generator. Thus, I can't think the Company; would NOT put a big note; saying similar words of what you said. Secondly, I have had NG in my home for 48 yrs. Plus, I have several things that use NG...and we never had ANY problem. So why would it cause problems with the Generator? Again "NO" disrespect.
NG doesn’t cause “problems” with generators. It’s mainly two things using NG. Overall power output is less and engine life for generators is less on NG. It has less lubricants so engines wear a little faster. So if a NG gets 5000 hrs Propane 7500 hours Gasoline 10000 hours Diesel 15-20k hours But the having NG readily available is the convenience of a tri fuel setup. It’s ready you plug in and go if you are set up for. Trust me I like it as well. I’m also ready to run what ever fuel source I need. Normally I use propane or if I have enough gas I’ll use that up so it’s not sitting much. Which it’s just for my lawn equipment now that is almost all battery powered now.
Underpowered toy. Need a LP generator that outputs a minimum of 12,000 running watts & outputs split phase 120/240VAC and 20,000 watt surge. Gasoline evaporates, turns rancid, is stored in containers that are susceptible to puncture or spill and is illegal to stor in bulk in most states without specialized containment and recovery systems, while LP stores in all weather in non puncturing containment that fuel levels can be monitored using ultrasound, pressure gauges and/or internal float and never goes rancid, stale or inert and most importantly, can be bulk delivered and stored on site.
No? Running my entire home including 2.5ton central air, gaming PC, LED tv, dishwasher, deep freeze, fridge and a floor fan - only using 3100 running watts. Get a soft start for your central air and manage your use - this is plenty to keep a household going. I'm actually running the GM9000ied so even lower running wattage.
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Great video - I think this unit is the new benchmark right now. They have literally packed everything possible into this unit, other than fuel injection and perhaps a bluetooth monitoring app like Honda now has. It's hard to imagine what Genmax has coming in the future!
I agree finally someone coming out with new units that fit more of the bills
Trifuel plus Inverter together is the only way to go. You have true SHTF capability plus you protect your sensitive electronics.
Yup for sure 👍🏼
Thank you for sharing a very well done, very informative video that covered a lot of bases for someone like myself looking to purchase a generator invertor.
Genmax certainly is a leader in features but my concern would be parts and service. Still I am impressed by what Ive seen here and on Gavins Garage
Thats our concern too. We have the Powerhorse 7500 Inverter and have unresolvable issues. We'll get the GenMax 10500 if parts and advise is available.
We love out GenMaxs, all bought on Johnnys recommendations. Wish they were as quiet at the Harbor Freights.
I have been telling them to make the units quieter
Now that can pump out some power! Nice bit of kit but not cheap
Found out something strange about the gas amount required for this generator (actually it's twin under TMG Industrial). I had assumed that it would need a 1/2 inch gas hose so hired a gas guy to install a tap from my entrance point to enable the correct amount of natural gas to be available for the 10500 generator. Just out of curiosity, I installed the correct 1/2 inch quick connect to the existing 3/8 barbeque outlet and it WORKS GREAT.. The unit seems to run perfectly even on a smaller 3/8 pipe. I added a draw of 3000 watts and no problems. I don't know if it would function properly at maximum draw of 6800 watts but this was quite a pleasant surprise non the less.
Interesting normally if not right next to the main supply you would normally need a 1/2 inch at least for larger gens. May have to do a larger load test to see your limit. But remember if only the gen is running and not a heater or stove that will changes things.
Thanks for the info
@@johnnysweekends Yes, you have a good point !! This barbeque outlet is after the gas hot water heater and after the gas stove, neither of which were actually on when i did this test. I loaded it up to 3000 watts with no difficulties but I will try it when the gas stove is on and when the water heater is actually working. As you say, it might be a case of nothing else drawing gas while I was doing the test allowing it to work properly with the smaller outlet (but failing when the other appliances are drawing gas at the same time).
The power will be off this coming Sunday 24th November for a full day for maintenance during which I will be powering the whole home with the generator using the smaller barbeque outlet. I will let you know if I experience any difficulties during the day long "test"
Nice review!!! Seems like a solid unit with the likes of Honda or Predator options. They threw everything minus EFI at this model. Included battery charger is a new thing which shows they understand what consumers want. Kudos to Genmax for listening. With the included ATS this is a great solution for home use with a perma nent gas line. The problem with these units is fuel comsumption. If you have a lengthy power outage you need a large amount of fuel storage. For this reason I went with multiple smaller units knowing they sip fuel and can conserve if needed. With 40 gallons (8 cans) I can run for more than a week. This was tested after a hurricane. On the 4th day gas lines were significantly shorter and by 5th day you had access to multiple gas station options which were getting fuel delivered daily. I started refueling 10 gallons a day on day 6 just to be safe. By the 8th day I had power restored and used up my full 40 gallons. Ran 24/7 with 1 or 2 (night) and used 3 when needed during day. Only 120V so no hot showers :-(
Thank you 👍🏼😀
And yes nice unit for sure for those wanting big power.
The charger was my idea 😁👍🏼
I talked to them during the Vegas show for ideas and we have talked since so some things like the 12v coming back was also a idea I threw at them as well. 👍🏼
EFI…. Well…..that’s another idea as well 😁😉
I just bought this model on amazon for 2,300.00 bucks! that's about 900.00 less then normal price!
Wow !! Smoking deal, good job. Say hi to Forrest for me…😉😁
So I was actually looking at getting another generator for after my Honda wears out and originally I had just leave ignored these genmax brand because I thought they were junk But now I'll have to go back and look at those
Yea they are coming along well. And now that I’m seeing more and more of the eu6500 and eu7000fi units having so many issues and at that price, it’s hard to justify it. But I stop recommend a warranty with most any of these no matter the brand
that sine wave was actually pretty impressive in my opinion for how much load you were pulling. Im impressed! How is Genmax's warranty as well as parts availability. Those are my 2 biggest worries for something like that. Something beneficial about honda's is their parts are available for a long time (priced like gold chains thought)
When I was in Vegas with Genmax they said they were camping up parts availability for there models and customer service. The parts warehouse is in sandiego but some parts are a little universal which can be found on eBay and such. But now they have thing you can replace and fix.
But yea Honda you can get parts for a while. Although my inverter board for my eu3000is was discontinued and no superseded number was available so I got rid of it
@@johnnysweekends oh wow that sucks. Maybe thats because they released the Eu3200i? I do know that if fuel injector parts fail they are expensive to replace. I saw that the fuel injectors for the EU7000IS are like 550$. Maybe thats why Genmax hasnt gone fuel injection. Does fuel injection matter to you?
Fi has its pros and cons like anything.
For me I’m a pretty mechanical guy so I don’t have a lot of issues when it comes to storage and such.
I under loads and jetting and more.
A carb swap and parts are cheap like $30-$60 and doesn’t take long to swap small engine carbs.
If fuel injection is new then parts will be spendy for a few years till there is a lot of parts and also aftermarket as well.
It does start nice and is more fuel efficient so…again the pros and cons
Thanks for the video Johnny! I have the predator 9500 and am very happy with it. If this existed when I bought it I would certainly consider for the tri-fuel.
I was thinking the same thing Josh.
I have been considering converting my Honda EU6500i to run on natural gas. However, the additional cost is about $1000 for the kit and the natural gas guy to convert the barbeque outlet so I can hook up the generator. Instead, I would sell this Honda unit and buy the Genmax 10500 unit and have money in my pocket....but..but...it's not available in Canada and parts and service availability are minimal right now (and non existent in Canada), and the quality of the unit is still unknown (although I would take a chance on that). Maybe this will be doable some time in the future....(sooner rather than later I hope)
You have a really nice camper. Thanks for the very informative video. Genmax has come a long way.
Thank you and glad you liked the video. Thanks for stopping by 👍🏼😀
Very nice unit! Thanks for another good review!
Thank you Charles 😀👍🏼
I think it could be bonded or not or try ground rod. It might fix it, still would be a good experiment.
That is very impressive very quiet awesome video 🛠️🇨🇦🛠️🇨🇦
Thanks 👍🏼😀
This maybe the best one!
Great video! You should ask Genmax when the 7250 TRIfuel will come out.
I will. They should have more new coming
Thanks for the awesome review!
You’re welcome 😀👍🏼
Nice generator. My advice for purchasers is to get rid of the GFI outlets. I had them on my Honda until it decided to shut off while unattended.
They can be a little finicky depending on load or what’s plugged in.
I noticed this to sometimes and was wondering gfi or the load and some tripped.
But more and more I’m wondering if the gfi is causing the issues
In the case of my Honda 5000 SX my gen was in a compartment and the GFI outlet ran a cooling fan. The GFI tripped but caught it in time. The manual states that this generator should not be used in medical applications. Now you know why! Reliability. When this happened to me the GFI's came out the next day. Unfortunately in our litigous society the manufacturers have to cover their collective butts. @@johnnysweekends
The sine wave distortion right at 0v is probably due to no physical ground to reference. Read the manual it probably has a spot for a ground jumper if the connection you’re plugging into doesn’t have an earth ground.
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Can you please explain the low idle function? If I run low idle will generator adjust if more power is needed or do I just need to turn it off?
Yes it will self adjust as needed this helps save fuel and does keep it quieter.
But for large loads that will be on and off keep the low idle off so it can handle them properly
Would you know how long a tank ( like yours) of propane last at just normal use in a home.
Refrigerator, hot water, tv, lights & bedroom outlets?
Just an approx?
🤤 Hell yes!
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Right on JW
Beast mode generator!! 😀👍🏼
If I didn’t have my EU7000 I’d jump on this. The additional power isn’t needed til I need an electric stove 😉
Same, though I doubt it has the longevity of a Honda.
@@yolo_burrito Agree ! I just wish Honda and Yamaha would advance their units more.
You could buy almost 3 of these for one Honda and have more power and probably still be ahead.
Go read the problems with the eu7000 EFI units.
Not cheap to fix
Very nice gen set with all the bells and whistles. It is expensive, $2900.00.
Yea little spendy but I do have a discount code 😀👍🏼
Hey Johnny great channel! I have a genmax 9000 ied but I would like it to run on natural gas. Have you swapped the regulator and fuel switch from the 10500 to the 9000? It's the same engine so it should work, right?
I have not. So it should work but haven’t done it personally.
Does the battery have to be charged in order for the pull start to work? ty
Propane works with no battery and pretty sure gas does as well but you need to manually choke it.
Sorry I don’t remember…
May have to check again if both works
Will these put out 240v with just 1 generator, or do you have to parallel 2 generators together to get 240v like some of the solar generators. Looking for the best option to fast charge a Delta Pro Ultra setup in case there is no solar
You should watch some of my Ecoflow videos where I use this unit to charge delta pro ultra 😀👍🏼
Only one needed
@johnnysweekends thanks ill look it up. I saw the vid where you changed the ultra with the yellow smaller champion but hadn't seen the other one
Great video. Do you know what the max continuous power at 120v?
I’ll be doing a designated full
Load test probably next week. The book says 6000 watt at 120…but the generator spec sticker says different.
Wouldn’t be the first time I have seen a
Misprint on the one or the other.
So will see.
Is the fuel selector a solenoid or motorized ball valve? I read about the solenoid failing on similar models.
It’s a electric piston that goes in and out to allow fuel to flow or plug it.
I could not get the link for the generator to open. It says it couldn’t find that page
It’s out of stock.
Pending on how much the discount gets off I might go with it. I really want this with just the dual fuel. I don’t need the natural gas and I’m sure that’s adding to the expense of the unit. I could pull the trigger on the 9000 but the extra power on this gives me fomo.
$120 I think will be new discount since it’s been a little weird on the codes.
Waiting for new one
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Do you have info on the applicable auto transfer switch?
Genmax is working on their own but waiting to get us cert. I dont know of one here yet with out modifying that will work
Can you use the 14-30 240v plug and the 14-50 240v plug at the same time?
I’d like to run my house on the 14-50 plug while my 2 Delta Pro’s w/ 4 extra batteries quick charge from the 14-30 plug.
Yes but still limited to the normal range of power
That little bit of distortion it’s honestly probably caused by the quality of wire in the RV. harmonic oscillation is what is probably happening. At least from my limited knowledge.
Yea from my studying it was not true distortion from the unit. At least that I know off. But yea agree probably the trailer lol. They are all cheap lol
great vid Johnny. When do you think the fuel injected unit will be dropping?
Well we will see…😁
I have the 9500 of this unit.purchased mid last year. Can this one run in parallel even though it has a slightly higher output? THX
Yes you can parallel both 👍🏼😀
Hey ...what do you recommend today? I need a generator..either predator or champion dual fuel...I will be using propane. I am leaning towards Champion 4650
I like the champion unit or the wen which is cheaper and same thing..
Basically this model here…
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Completely untechnical person here. I was told that you can have an electrician provide you with a plug/box next to your main fuse box and you can plug a wire from this generator into it. Then you can use your switches/appliances in the house normally without having several wires all over the place. Is that correct?
Yes 👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends Thanks!
If there is 60 mph winds outside, and electric goes out, can you just push remote start, or do you have to go outside and turn on power switch first?
@@bryandunkley8239 I dunno how long before it’s an issue but you don’t want to leave the generator powered on long term because it’ll drain the battery and then electric start won’t work at all. How long it can sit around with the battery on (ready for remote start), I’m not totally sure.
Good video, thank you. I'm kinda diggin' this generator. Waiting for the gremlins to get worked out. Once they come out with Gen 2 I may jump on one of these. Will you do a follow-up on this generator after a few hundred hours? Let us know how much metal you pulled during break in with the magnetic dip stick? In the meantime, subscribed, bell rang, commented, liked, upvoted, shared .... may the algorithm gods continue to smile favorably upon your channel.
New model coming soon !
How long is the natural gas hose?
Hey Roy it’s 25ft 😀👍🏼
not in stock on the amazon link. how much is this? only says "Currently unavailable" and doesnt list a price ;) if i'm upgrading my 5000w dual fuel gasoline/propane, this looks like a nice unit.
for those concerned about the lack of fuel injection, if you're running natgas or propane, it bypasses the carb, so you never need to clean the carb if you dont run it on gasoline
Very true statement…!
I’ve said this but maybe I’m not clear enough lol. 😂
Oh see if this works…. Shows it does but yea it could be out of stock already 🫤
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So if you are using this above 5000 ft MSL do you need to re-jet the carb? Or better question if you burn LP only does that mean you do not have to worry about using it above 5000 ft?@@johnnysweekends
@MrCKM1962 hello, yes a carb reject will be necessary if you use gasoline above about 3500ft unless you plan to only use it for a few hours or so. Long term continued use then yes a reject.
If using propane then no reject is needed…😀👍🏼
I recently purchased this unit and works exceptionally well other than the minute/hour meter resetting and when i turn it off using propane. I always get a small backfire after turning off the controls in order according to the directions. The spark plug is gapped correctly, so it just may be the LP in the line. Does anyone else have this pop at the end? Should i turn the LP off first, then the switch to off? I've been shutting it down using the power off button, switch, and then LP off.
Hello, couple tips. Ditch the stock Torque spark plug and get a NKG and then if only running LPG close the gap to about .018-.020ths. Also turn LPG off first to clear the line till gen dies. Then shut off the rest. Unless you are going to run it on and off a lot. But if shutting off for the duration or several hours like 8 or more best to close tank.
A little back fire is normal with LPG some do it and some dont
Great video. I bought one of these but can't get it started. I've been through the manual and filled with oil. I've tried to start it with gasoline and LP. Any suggestions?
Get it going ?
@@johnnysweekends Nope. I've been on the phone and emailing with Gen Max trying to figure it out. Pretty disappointing.
Looking at running my whole home but cant decide between an inverter or just regular generator and do i really need an in verter generator looking for some input
You don’t need an inverter Gen unless you have sensitive electronics or certain items that require an inverter generator like maybe power stations from Ecoflow or Bluetti. But big back up batteries like Enphase or telsa can use a regular generator.
They are normally quieter and more fuel efficient but more expensive and heavier
@@johnnysweekends thanks alot only thing would be tvs maybe washing machine and idk about the washing machine electronics where it's a newer washer so now deciding on a generator thanks a bunch again
how long are the lpg and ng hoses?
25ft for NG line 👍🏼 but lpg is only about 6ft because you would hook to a bottle. Easy to get a longer line
Is there a restriction on how long
a NG line could be?
Not really just size will have to be larger as you get longer.
By leaving this in a generator shed during cold winter months will it harm the inverter?
No it should be fine as long as it’s not getting wet. Moisture could cause corrosion even if they are sealed connectors it still finds its way in
Any idea when the Genmax 4000 EFI is coming out?
Hoping to have it by end of the month or sooner 👍🏼
Hey Johnny! Your discount code isn’t working for me…Please advise.😢
Hi Sarah, I’m hoping to have the code fixed by tonight or sooner. I’ll make a post about it and update the code and also try and remind you it’s working.
Thank you and sorry, I didn’t have any control over that 😒
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Does the parallel port for these generators produce 415V and give you 3 phase
No parallel only double amps….
@@johnnysweekends damn it would be cool if you could get three phase by running two of them
You need a larger unit, like on a trailer 😂👍🏼
These are suspiciously inexpensive.... It makes me concerned about the longevity of the units... but I've REALLY been needing a 120/240v inverter genset... and for the cost they seem like they're worth the risk
Yea I agree but like some things, I think this is a intro price like the new predator. I think in 6 months this could go up a few hundred dollars. Same as the new small predator. I bet it goes up as well.
@@johnnysweekends - Well, I ended up with a 6000 watt model.... So far so good.
@FullSendPrecision nice 👍🏼 keep me updated. Always good to know how everything is holding up
Great review. Any idea when the discount code will be active?
Hopefully this eve or sooner. If not tomorrow morning at the latest. Sorry for the confusion on this, out of my control 😕
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@@johnnysweekends how much
I think it’s $145 off..
Any new codes?
How big of a home will this one power? Trying to decide on whole house permanent or portable
It’s more about what you wanna power. Not what it can power. It can power what it’s rated for.
So figure out what I need and go from there. I’m looking at 2 fridges, maybe the a/c downstairs possibly and a couple lights
A little off topic, apologies if you've answered this, but do you know if there will be a factory Predator 9500 with propane?
I don’t know of one in the works yet…. “Yet”
So will see what comes late this year or next
@@johnnysweekends Wow you get back fast, you gotta be the hardest working man in youtube! Sounds promising, thanks.
I try 😂👍🏼
It could be interesting to see someone crack the code for how to actually use the ATS. Great and all there is a cable there, but what do you plug it into? It seems there is some vaporware ATS box out there, but otherwise not sure what the average Joe is going to do with that plug. A quick look at the manual makes me think you could possibly control this with an R-Pi, some relays, and maybe some other hardware. Just have to figure out the nuances for sending the control signals before programming the R-Pi, but shouldn't be too difficult. If I understand correctly, start and emergency off are both pull-downs to ground and running is 12V off of the alternator. So going through the pin-out, you have 12V power, ground, a start pin to pull down to ground with a relay, an emergency stop pin to pull down to ground with a relay, and a 12V running power pin. So once you have these pins in order for your setup, then you need to signal your main power relays to break from shore power and attach to generator power while being careful to never have shore and generator power hooked up at the same time. It sounds doable, but then you gotta actually get it right. Then you need to get sign off to actually use it if they will even let you use whatever you cobbled together.
The R-Pi programming might be pretty dumb in that it is more of a timer with some sensing. You may also put some extra circuitry to make it impossible to to have generator power and shore power connected at the same time in case there is a coding error, a problem with your wiring or even a fault with one of your relays. So:
1. Normal: Sense if shore power is there. If shore power is available, sleep X time and check again. If shore power is lost, wait X number of seconds, check again, and then move on to Start.
2. Start: Loop that senses for 12V running power. If no running power, then close and then open the 'start' relay to start the generator and wait X seconds for generator to start. Else (there is running power), break out of Start loop.
3. Warmup:
a. Sense for generator 240V power. If generator 240V power does not come on after X number of seconds, then go back to start.
b. (Generator 240V power detected) Sleep for X seconds while generator warms up, then proceed.
3. Run: After start, go here.
a. Check once more for shore power, if not detected, disconnect shore power. Else (shore power detected), go to Stop.
b. Wait 1 second and then connect generator 240V power relay.
c. Loop checking for shore power sense and doing short sleeps between checks. If shore power is detected, sleep for X seconds and check again. If shore power still there, break out of loop.
d. Shore power considered back, disconnect generator relay. Wait 1 second and then connect shore power relay.
e. Wait X number of seconds (Cool down). Check if shore power is still there. If it is not, go back to top of Run. Else go to Stop.
4. Stop: Connect and disconnect 'stop' relay to trigger the emergency stop of the generator. Go to Normal.
Note: If the generator 240V breaker trips, this ATS controller routine will not know by design. The thought being a human should get involved at this point, fix the cause of the breaker fault, and then reset the breaker.
Note: If your 240V generator breaker is off, then this will harmlessly go between Start and Warmup without performing any actual actions, just checks. This will make sure the generator is ready once you notice this breaker is off and possibly restart the generator in case you turn it off while trying to figure out what is going on. Or if the generator stalls for whatever reason, it will try to restart it. Once you flip the 240V generator breaker on, then this will just move on and get things switched over to using generator power.
They are having problems with UL listing and certificate fees which I guess are super spendy
@@johnnysweekends I suppose another thing is I saw someone go into one of the vaporware boxes out there and there was no central relay. Instead there is a relay for each side, shore power and generator power and they just tie together into one set of output lines. I would think you would want a relay where both inputs go into with one set of outputs and then it does a break before make switch mechanically with a single physical mechanism for all poles. The idea being it is physically impossible to back feed generator power into the grid. If the switch fails, then either it is stuck on one of the two inputs or it is stuck off. If instead you have what I saw in the vaporware ATS, if one of the relays has an issue, there is a risk of say the generator relay getting stuck on, even if small, then shore power connecting back or something to the like and causing a backfeed issue with a high powered generator. That could be bad. Even if it is rare, the B737 MAX dive like crazy issue ultimately happened when a sensor malfunctioned and without proper engineering, that led to two whole plane crashes and loss of all hands. So inherently safe is good.
I would like to see a direct head to head vs the predator 9500. Predator is 6.8 gallon tank, 18.5 hours at 25% load which is 1900w continuous. This genmax is a 6.9 gallon tank rated for 14 hours at 25% load which is 2125w continuous. So in terms of efficiency per watt, it appears the predator is more efficient. The predator is about 20% more efficient per gallon than the genmax. I did a bit of math and it appears the predator provides about 5169wh per gallon while the genmax provides 4311wh per gallon. If anyone was curious. This would mean the predator would go through a gallon of gasoline in about 2.72 hours while the genmax would go through a gallon in about 2 hours. Overall predator is more efficient but genmax has slightly higher output 7600w continuous on the predator vs 8500w on genmax. If anyone has anything else to add/correct please drop a reply below! Good video Johnny! Let’s see that head to head 😤
Thank you.
So some things that are different
Predator $2499
Genmax $2899
Predator gas only
Genmax tri fuel and includes all accessories
Genmax longer standard warranty
Genmax remote start
Genmax quieter
Genmax lighter by a couple pounds
Genmax more output power
Genmax cool display and a light 😂😁👍🏼
Genmax 3% THD
Predator 5% THD
Now fuel consumption……I think they are all wrong as again it’s a pretty controlled test.
So many variables like load and ambient temp can give different real world results
Now predator says .37gph @25% load
Genmax in the manual says 2.195 l/h or .58gph.
They have almost the exact same size engine. 458cc genmax, 459cc predator.
I can’t imagine they can be that far off unless Genmax runs a much richer condition than the predator which means they run a real lean mixture.
So fuel tests very a lot unless you do the same unit on the same day with the same amount of fuel using the same
Load. Sure can be done, but odd they would be so much different.
Maybe the predator is more efficient gas wise…🤷🏼♂️
But the Genmax wins mostly everywhere else.
So until a definite fuel test can be done won’t know for sure.
Good post for sure to give some back and forth pros and cons 😀👍🏼👊🏼
@@johnnysweekends for sure, I didn’t bother comparing the other options but the trifuel on the genmax is my attention grabber. I would like to see you test all of the claims you mentioned above though! I’m a bit apprehensive trying genmax due to the tests project farm noted with the 2000w one. Higher wear metals, not full sine wave, etc. I would just like to see claimed results vs real world results for both! I think that would be an awesome comparison! Perhaps a bit long but I think it would see which is the “cleanest” power wise and which is the most accurate on their claims! Thanks for the reply Johnny!
Yea the wear metal test was skewed, I told him when doing this on generators you need to change the oil once or twice to remove the assembly grease. It’s a flatly looking grease they use to lube the engine while it sits on the shelves and can skew the oil analysis test.
So hopefully he does at least one or two oil changes before the oil analysis next time to wash the engine.
@@johnnysweekends the oil test at the end was the second oil change for all generators in that video. Halfway through the testing he changed the oil after that had ran for a few hours. The oil analysis at the end was the second oil change after close to 100 hours on each generator so each generator did have a flush oil change ran though prior to the oil being analyzed. This is why it is worrisome. It’s not required in the manual to change the oil so short (within 2 hours like he did) but that first oil change should have gotten rid of any contaminants/etc. so the second oil change was a accurate result of normal use. The predator shut off from low oil during that test which isn’t good but the genmax is wearing metal in the engine for sure. You should do a engine oil analysis on this one to see if that is a model specific finding etc!
Interesting I’ll have to rewatch. I watched it when it first came out so been a while.
Plus I don’t have the excess funding Todd has 😂 but I’ll have to see what the costs are
Is there a fuel injected model?
Not yet. Maybe next year. Pros and cons of that but would be nice for some things for sure.
Johnny, Genmax updated its version, as far as I know. Am I wrong on this one? If not, I'm assuming the one off Amazon is being the updated one, correct me if I'm wrong please!
Yes this is the latest and most updated unit in the line. All the other new units will be coming out soon as well.
Those will all be smaller units
Sweet! I'll get one off your link, did you fix that promo code thing by the way? My wife will be thrilled that I saved a buck when I tell her 😜 I've been waiting for that puppy for months, cant wait to start it up and see how it works. Already have 30amp and 50amp inlets installed with an interlock switch.
Definitely tell the wife how much you saved. That’s a woman’s favorite line.
Babe, guess how much?? No guess!! 🤣🤣
Ohh and no not yet I’m waiting for them… hopefully in a couple more hours.
@@johnnysweekends 🤣🤣 she already knows there will be a new gadget. Johnny, I've spent over 10k so far on my garage, and it started with making a spot for this Genmax, I just "went with the flow" 😬🤦😜
The comments on Amazon have been split at best, especially around the supply chain concerns when issues arise and receiving the actual continuous watts. Anyone own this unit and can comment?
So far mine is doing fine but that’s only one. Even then only a few hours. But yea would like more feedback my self
I can’t afford you anymore, Johnny, lol! Great review as always!
NO!! Jeff, DONT LEAVE ME…!!! 😂
I’ll review something cheap 😂
Thank you again 😁👊🏼👍🏼
How does this compare to DuroMax?
Which model…?
Any special deals they offering through your channel?
Yes a discount code or “new” code is being created. The original one has a problem so its created a delay. Hoping any time I should have it back up and posted. Check back or ill repost here
New code amzn.to/3Yu0DEL
Code: 050809new
Just used your discount code on Amazon. Thank you for posting
@johncarr123 you’re welcome 😀👍🏼
Not available anymore
Does this use a carburetor or is it efi? I need something that can go from high to low altitude
This is a carb unit.
Definitely need a regulator in gas line
How much i save w your discount code?
It’s a $100 or a pinch more..🤔
Is this generator transfer switch readt? will this power 10000watts?
No and no it’s rated at 8500..🤷🏼♂️
Has it ever back fired upon start up ? I keep reading on Reddit that this model will back fire upon starting it up for the very first time.
Mine didn’t back fire. But I’m only using propane. Plus most all new generators are setup a little lean at idle for emissions. But what you read is also just here-say, all of them? Some of them? One of them?
Every single time on one generator ?
@@johnnysweekendsthanks for the reply. During hurricane Ike i purchased a generator and it backfired very loudly. I was very alarmed and honestly my Kid started it up after that under my supervision.
I have not tested my Genmax yet; but I know if it backfires it’s going to scare me. I plan to use propane and eventually natural gas.
@steffiejoe I would get it fired up sooner than later. Better to find a problem now verses when it’s to late.
@@johnnysweekendsI got my electrician to assist me with doing a test run and practice connecting it to my 50amp inlet. The test run went perfect! I feel very comfortable as a female being able to use such a large and powerful generator. Thank you for your response and informative videos on this tri-fuel. I did get a Honda 2200i as my backup for short power outages. I’m in Texas so it’s a necessity.
@steffiejoe im glad I could help, you sound like you are ready..! 😀👍🏼
I was under the impression natural gas didn't need regulating?
Still need a load regulator.
Generac is terible in spare parts like control cirquit board and if you can find one it cost a crasy amount of money .
Johnny I still can't get the code to work. Thx
Yea they where off for the weekend to revise the code so I should have it fixed this evening 🤞🏼🤞🏼
@@johnnysweekends Tried the new code. It is not working right now either.
I know they messed up again, I’m so sorry for this. They are going to bump the discount higher for the mistake.
Tomorrow morning or this evening I’ll have the new code.
Thanks for your patience and understanding
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@@johnnysweekends Thank you! I just ordered it and saved $145!
I am looking for a tri fuel inverter generator for my 1400 sqft home. No less than 9k run time on NG. I would like to have an inverter generator but the only tri fuel with enough watts was a tri fuel Duromax and it doesn't have an inverter. I need it to last days at a time in case of natural disaster. I have been searching for some time and no one has been able to give me enough information to make my decision. It's a lot of money so I need all the helpful information I can get. If I have to go with a non inverter, I guess it would be the Duromax XP13000. I like the Champion tri fuel inverter but dont think it will have the power Duromax does.
Well I think no matter what no one can give you the correct answer. Some people can get buy with a 2200 watt unit which sips fuel. But only powers some basics.
The Genmax is a nice unit and should power most anything you need. But normally when the power goes out you sacrifice and power what you need.
Do you need to power one fridge and maybe wifi if it even works? Maybe two fridges and coffee ? Or the whole home and ac as well.
It all depends what you can live with and for how long.
A large generator burns a lot more fuel. Especially using natural gas. Just not as many btu’s so you get lower power out put just like it says on the specs.
If you don’t want to worry about power and always have enough then the Genmax will fit a lot of needs. Just know it will burn more fuel.
If you don’t need as much then a medium sized unit can save on space, cost and fuel.
So once you decide what you really need to power then you can decide on a small, medium or large unit.
@johnnysweekends I believe, after reading all the comments, this Genmax would be the better generator for our home. I'm figuring in the possibility of medical equipment for my Mom in the future.
@pjperalta5298 definitely good for whole home back up but if you only need a couple devices a smaller unit would save a lot of fuel. Build you need to power large devices then this will cover most everything you need 👍🏼
Be aware, genmax hos refused to provide me a pinout or instructions on how the ats port works. The wiring diagram is included, but no details on how to use the ats port at all.
That’s probably because they don’t want to give away info on how it works for others. It’s for them and there own transfer switch. Which they are finishing up.
If no one else has one on a portable unit. I don’t think I would give info on how it works either. When you buy the transfer switch you use there own. Kinda like a generac I don’t think they will give you all the info as well. You use the generac transfer switch
@@johnnysweekends true, but it seems misleading to say o product supports ats, but not have one for sale yet. Also, Westinghouse has portable units with the exact same ats plug & wiring diagram. I will be designing a conversation box to allow this generator to work with any two wire start ats, if anyone is interested.
is it CSA approved
I will have to double check but I dont think I see many generators even Honda have a CSA sticker.
Are there Chinese motors in these? Also from what I’ve seen the Honda eu7000is is severely underrated, there are videos of it putting out almost 10000 watts. What is your take on that? I do want to buy an inverter but having a hard time making a decision, price will not affect my choice. I just want the very best most reliable for an extended emergency. Thank you, also you made an EXCELLENT informative video.
All the new gens even the Yamahas are coming with Chinese made engines. The eu7000 is or was a good unit but in the forums and groups several are having problems with injection pump and a couple other items which is showing to be a spendy fix. Especially if the dealer does it. One post on there a eu7000 efi was under warranty and the dealer couldn’t get Honda to cover it, and the part wasn’t even available for several months. So that’s a $7000 paper weight plus the repairs. Honda is still good but I dont know if they are reliable like 10 years ago and more. I always recommend a insurance plan / warranty when buying.
Science needs to invent those generators that make no noise at all and that we can use the sun as energy, and then spend day and night without need of electricity.Maybe in 100 years?.Little less?.
Have you seen the solar generators or power stations we typically call them?
They are getting so much better!!
If you have a contact at Genmax, ask them if it might be possible to introduce a model with significantly more momentary starting wattage from idle speed.
I have a Predator 9500 right now. It has no trouble starting my 2.5T reciprocating compressor AC with a soft start, but it struggles to do the same from idle.
Same thing with my well pump.
Once stabilized my house rarely draws more than 5kw continuous.
If they could pack some more reserve capacity into the inverter electronics everyone would benefit.
15k peak (1s max) would be amazing.
PS: This is still splash lubrication, right?
Yes still splash lub.
But the engine needs to be revved up so it can handle the load when applied.
Of course, I fully expect an inverter genset's engine speed to vary by load.
The point I was trying to make is such that when these units are idled down their momentary max output is limited primarily by the inverter electronics. If the manufacturers can beef up the reserve capacity in the inverter circuit (larger capacitors?) the starting loads could be handled with less dependence on the engine speed rapidly increasing. Certainly, this comes with a higher price tag, but I think it would be worth the cost of admission.
With soft starters installed on my 2.5T AC (reciprocating compressor, not scroll) and my 1HP well pump, my Predator 9500 has no issues starting either of them when it is running full speed.
If I've got the genset idled down in "eco mode" it can start the well pump without too much fuss, but sometimes the AC soft starter will fail to start the compressor because of inadequate current available. It is usually successful on a second attempt.
All that said, when I run the genset in the summer months I usually end up leaving it at full speed so the genset isn't caught off guard.
@@johnnysweekends
I agree it would be nice to have a genset be able to run at low engine rpm and store the energy needed in capacitors then boost to start the load like a mini soft start installed in the gen.
And yea when temps get higher power of the gens start to drop.
Inverver
Good generator. 6000watts on natural gas isn't to bad. Can run a pretty good single person house with that or small family that isn't power hungry for energy. If your system has a well or city pump that isn't unpowered in a black out. You'd just hook this badboy up and run off gas to energy.
Stick this sucker in the garage or a shed and run a hose extender for the exhaust out to a exhaust vent and you should be golden. No thieves to slap on or take the machine and it'd be way quieter from the other houses.
From the looks of it. Natural gas will run a house at 6600watts either from the 220-30amp twist or the 4 pin 240-50 (at half power.). Kinda shame they only give the 8500watts to gas. And 8000 for propane.
But if you're energy light for basic for AC/Heater system, Washer/gas-drier, Fridge, Gas water heater, gas stove/oven. You should be able to work for the rest of the stuff without any problems unless you're packing quite a few desktop PC's running over 500watts on a family set per kid/hobby/wife deal. Thought if your house is mostly electric of the AC/-Heater system, Water heater, Stove/Oven, and Drier. I'd say not to run those roughly at much on generator mode. AC/heater can already cook over 3000-4000watts for a Central system. Electric Drier will probably cook over 1500watts running. Electric stoves run 1000watts almost per burner. Not continuing the oven coil. And water heater probably cooks around 1500 or more watts or so when it clicks on. So for people who are more on the gas drive will probably be able to easily fly in a black out if it's local and not shutting your water or gas vines offline to. (Though i bet the gas bill will sky rocket lol.)
But no showing of Natural Gas. And I see these Tri-Fuel generators all the time; but they NEVER use NG. What's going? Huh? So sad.
The problem with natural gas is you won’t see good performance. You’ll see diminished numbers and people will think it’s a weak unit.
But that would be with any generator running on NG. A 20% cut in power is a decent chunk and if it’s really hot it could be 30% or more, as heat will rob power with any fuel source.
NG has way less btu and you’ll use 6 times the amount to generator the same power a gallon of gas will.
Now this could work out if NG costs in your area are super cheap, and you don’t need that extra power. Running a generator at 80% and above it’s rated load all the time will decrease it’s life so you should upgrade to a larger unit if you are in that range.
@@johnnysweekends To me the benefit of natural gas is you never have to worry about running out of fuel, unless the gas lines to your house are shut off. Great testing, thanks for the vid.
Yea that is a nice thing, because most times your NG is on, unless its a disaster zone. And thank you, plus your welcome
@@johnnysweekends No disrespect, but most of the Generator Companies now; are adding the NG feature also. Making it a "Tri-Fuel" Generator.
Thus, I can't think the Company; would NOT put a big note; saying similar words of what you said.
Secondly, I have had NG in my home for 48 yrs. Plus, I have several things that use NG...and we never had ANY problem. So why would it cause problems with the Generator?
Again "NO" disrespect.
NG doesn’t cause “problems” with generators. It’s mainly two things using NG. Overall power output is less and engine life for generators is less on NG. It has less lubricants so engines wear a little faster.
So if a NG gets 5000 hrs
Propane 7500 hours
Gasoline 10000 hours
Diesel 15-20k hours
But the having NG readily available is the convenience of a tri fuel setup. It’s ready you plug in and go if you are set up for.
Trust me I like it as well. I’m also ready to run what ever fuel source I need. Normally I use propane or if I have enough gas I’ll use that up so it’s not sitting much. Which it’s just for my lawn equipment now that is almost all battery powered now.
What is the approximate decibel output? Nevermind... I just hit the segment in the video
I think that genmax has discontinued this generator it isn't listed anymore it must have been junk with a bunch of issues so they got rid of it.
Just out of stock. Many are happy with it from info gathered..🤷🏼♂️ plus the new EFI tri fuel is due anytime 👍🏼
No fuel injection ill pass.
Some are coming but months away
It might be more reliable.
True
Pros and cons to FI. IIRC, you can’t pull start an EU7000is for that reason.
@@mwahlert I can pull start my Honda eu7000
Underpowered toy.
Need a LP generator that outputs a minimum of 12,000 running watts & outputs split phase 120/240VAC and 20,000 watt surge. Gasoline evaporates, turns rancid, is stored in containers that are susceptible to puncture or spill and is illegal to stor in bulk in most states without specialized containment and recovery systems, while LP stores in all weather in non puncturing containment that fuel levels can be monitored using ultrasound, pressure gauges and/or internal float and never goes rancid, stale or inert and most importantly, can be bulk delivered and stored on site.
No? Running my entire home including 2.5ton central air, gaming PC, LED tv, dishwasher, deep freeze, fridge and a floor fan - only using 3100 running watts. Get a soft start for your central air and manage your use - this is plenty to keep a household going. I'm actually running the GM9000ied so even lower running wattage.
@@catastrophicfella Good one. I've heard that before. Sooner or later they all syncchronize to start at the same time.
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Discontinued… its why i tend to stay away from these super china fly by night companies
Not discontinued, probably out of stock, and the new EFI tri fuel model is coming
Plus you can still get the pulsar 10500 🤷🏼♂️
After seeing the price, I stopped watching.
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in the age of trying to go green, this is useless
Lol absolutely wrong.