Game developers listen up. A 13+ year old game (Reflex) is considered by most to be the hands down best MX game of all time. Time to step up and improve upon it.
well it's not an excuse the code was actually lost, I'm willing to bet as a company if they knew people would buy it, and they had access to it, they would repackage it because it would sell. and developing a physics system to perfectly resemble another by feel is incredibly difficult, even for professional developers the hardest part of any game is the physics, you can't just purchase a game engine and have that included with the fancy graphics, you have to make that from scratch our best bet is finding the original developers and offering them whatever it takes to make them say yes, finding some random genius and paying them x amount, or reverse engineering the game files when computers become powerful enough (or if someone works at Google or Microsoft and feels like risking their job with one of their computers) and making sense of whatever messy source code comes from that and implementing it into an open source project hopefully without legal issues OR we mod the existing reflex to connect to 3rd party servers if the OG ones die someday on PC and improve the plugin manager for in-game track and gear/mod downloading and add tweaks for camera angles and such there's probably a lot of untapped potential even though a lot has been done already idk
I had an Xbox 360 and I got the trial and thought that game was like no other. The forming of ruts and the track breaking down was crazy. I knew I’d see that name in the comments
Anstie and Anderson know what's up. Supercross Circuit was ahead of its time in 1999, and while MX Superfly was "just an improvement" on MX 2002 ft. Ricky Carmichael, it balanced the realistic AI competitive racing with the fun of 2-player split screen mini games and competitions. I'm talking long jumps over buses, head to head high jump contests, moto golf, and tons of secrets like climbing up through the ventilation system to the rafters of one of the arenas or finding Sal the Alien by getting outside the map. The game had it all.
Hell yeah! Reflex is my all time favorite, but mx 2002 featuring Carmichael was sick as hell. If you held the power slide button and turned in the face of a jump, you would end up scrubbing. Mx vs atv unleashed is also another sick one.
MTX Mototrax hands down. Content, music, compounds, tricks, tracks, riders, game modes etc. Nothing comes close. It was just too early for its time. But just like Reflex they haven't aged the best. Reflex is alright on PC but it's aged quite a bit for consoles. If reflex had more content on consoles like it does on PC it would still be up there. Still the 2 goats of moto games in my personal opinion. Awesome question to mix it up a bit, it's nice hearing different questions get asked than the normal we hear each week.
When people say reflex is the king were talking about physics of the game and nothing more. The track deformation the whips being freed up it was just eye candy. Now its cartoony stiff physics. Alive was the downfall and it never improved.
@Wire Pros That's why I said it hasn't aged well. It's very clunky and the pop in is awful on console. That game holds alot of nostalgia for people, and I think that's why most people love it. When you really get down to picking it apart it is very clunky and outdated but it's still fun to pick up and play every once in awhile.
I get it, I played drums for over 20yrs and I hate guitar hero and rock band drumming. For these guys if it's too much a simulation than they'd notice the difference too much, but an arcade style game is so far from reality they could just have fun with it.
I want a game that has tuneable engines, not just gearing. Also once you get sponsored your mechanic does the tuning for you. And multi-season contracts.
@@jmard24 Hell ya man! That sounds awesome, they should give us the experience like all the factory teams have like Pro Circuit gives their riders with in-house research and development and dyno testing to max out every aspect of the bike 🏁
I have very fond memories of the pre release demo. Just doing moto after moto with the RC character at Sugar Ridge. Pretty cool how we got to play the demo a month before release to build hype. Such a fun game
@@theread3480 yeah agreed. Too stuck in the reflex shadow for the community to give it the chance it deserved. I think that was also when THQ bit the dust. What could have been
We all love the racing obviously. But PLEASE do more out of the box and interesting things like this. We all heard the riders say the same stuff about the same tracks. Let’s mix it up!! (Obviously Reflex is the Goat)
I'm not surprised how nobody mentioned supercross MX simulator.... reflex was the best physics and everyone knows it bring back reflex physics with next-gen graphics
Obviously reflex is the goat love this content wondered if you guys could go around and ask the mechanical abilities of each rider if they could even tighten the chain
Mx Vs Atv Unleashed will always be my favorite bc they had everything from Bikes, Quads, Sandrails, Golf Carts, Monster Trucks, etc. you could do supermoto, hillclimbs, huge free ride maps and my dad just had bought a brand new YFZ 450r and they had the exact same year model in the game, thought it was so cool. But reflex was kinda a better more improved Unleashed but it was missing things unleashed had but also added things that it didn’t. They are the best motorcross games of all time.
YESS! Been waiting for this. Reflex is the Goat. SX1 is really good. As well as MXGP3, MX ATV Legends gets better with every update. I've wanted to hear if racers played any of the games all my friends do while we pretend to be real racers :P
I think the new one is pretty good once you set it up. But yea the reflex is cool and so is mx unleashed. I remember the mtb game Down Hill Domination was rad man. The characters cracked me up,,," I play by own rules", Good times.
Couple key takeaways: No one mentioned the modern "Monster Energy Supercross the Game 1-5" which was funny. And two, a TON of riders said MX vs ATV 1/2 and MX Unleashed and even cited hating the dual joysticks aspect. I fully agree with this. Why dont the new developers just try ONE GAME that's a throwback to the original controls/physics/gameplay of MX vs ATV 1/2/unleashed and give it a try?!
Really love this bit, had to be one of Kellen’s ideas. Stoked most of them Said Mx Vs Atv Reflex. It’s timeless, a Modern Classic Arcade Moto Game. Why we won’t get another Reflex; THQ Was Filing for Bankruptcy so they had to lay off Devs and they lost the original code that’s why Alive and the newer title were lackluster. As far as the recent games I enjoyed have to be MxGp3, MESX 1, and Mx Bikes Still My Favs are Mx Unleashed, Mx Vs Atv Unleashed, Untamed, and Reflex! Milestone has yet to improve as they keep regressing from each new release.
Game developers listen up. A 13+ year old game (Reflex) is considered by most to be the hands down best MX game of all time. Time to step up and improve upon it.
They will justify it by saying “it’s nostalgia”
Here come the people saying "ThE cOdE wAs LOst"
They won't cause they only care about money now and they have an excuse saying the code was lost. The new mx games are complete trash 🗑
well it's not an excuse the code was actually lost, I'm willing to bet as a company if they knew people would buy it, and they had access to it, they would repackage it because it would sell.
and developing a physics system to perfectly resemble another by feel is incredibly difficult, even for professional developers the hardest part of any game is the physics, you can't just purchase a game engine and have that included with the fancy graphics, you have to make that from scratch
our best bet is finding the original developers and offering them whatever it takes to make them say yes, finding some random genius and paying them x amount, or reverse engineering the game files when computers become powerful enough (or if someone works at Google or Microsoft and feels like risking their job with one of their computers) and making sense of whatever messy source code comes from that and implementing it into an open source project hopefully without legal issues
OR
we mod the existing reflex to connect to 3rd party servers if the OG ones die someday on PC and improve the plugin manager for in-game track and gear/mod downloading and add tweaks for camera angles and such
there's probably a lot of untapped potential even though a lot has been done already
idk
Preach it brother!
Reflex will always be king 👑
I had an Xbox 360 and I got the trial and thought that game was like no other. The forming of ruts and the track breaking down was crazy. I knew I’d see that name in the comments
HANDS DOWN
Gotta love how people, even pros, focus so much on a game where braking is almost inexistent 🤦🏻♂️
@Dan Arnets Because they play for fun. You obviously take gaming way too seriously.
No doubt
Imagine Reflex with today's graphics and the most famous tracks from AMA and FIM... Would have been SICK!!!
These are the questions i LOVE. Please do more content like this. Fav cheat meals, dream car/truck etc.
MTX Mototrax is so underrated
yea,MTX still the best,so we still play it in multiplayer
@@s-sFMXMTBTRIBUTE in ps3?
@@Gamboa96 no,we play it on PC
Good to hear a couple of MX Simulator picks in there.
Anstie and Anderson know what's up. Supercross Circuit was ahead of its time in 1999, and while MX Superfly was "just an improvement" on MX 2002 ft. Ricky Carmichael, it balanced the realistic AI competitive racing with the fun of 2-player split screen mini games and competitions. I'm talking long jumps over buses, head to head high jump contests, moto golf, and tons of secrets like climbing up through the ventilation system to the rafters of one of the arenas or finding Sal the Alien by getting outside the map. The game had it all.
I also play that game too. I actually love the Yamaha Bike as well because of it.
Hell yeah! Reflex is my all time favorite, but mx 2002 featuring Carmichael was sick as hell. If you held the power slide button and turned in the face of a jump, you would end up scrubbing. Mx vs atv unleashed is also another sick one.
MTX Mototrax hands down. Content, music, compounds, tricks, tracks, riders, game modes etc. Nothing comes close. It was just too early for its time. But just like Reflex they haven't aged the best. Reflex is alright on PC but it's aged quite a bit for consoles. If reflex had more content on consoles like it does on PC it would still be up there. Still the 2 goats of moto games in my personal opinion. Awesome question to mix it up a bit, it's nice hearing different questions get asked than the normal we hear each week.
i wish they would make mtx 2
@@PauloSouza-fu3cl Man me and you both! That would be epic with today's hardware.
Underrated classic right here
When people say reflex is the king were talking about physics of the game and nothing more. The track deformation the whips being freed up it was just eye candy. Now its cartoony stiff physics. Alive was the downfall and it never improved.
@Wire Pros That's why I said it hasn't aged well. It's very clunky and the pop in is awful on console. That game holds alot of nostalgia for people, and I think that's why most people love it. When you really get down to picking it apart it is very clunky and outdated but it's still fun to pick up and play every once in awhile.
The greatest was motocross madness 2 guys. Tons of bikes and tracks for download. And the online life was crazy
MCM2 yeahh
Reflex is the GOAT. Mx bikes, and MX sim are awesome, but Reflex was the right amount of skill sealing, and fun mixed together. Give us REFLEX 2.0!
I get it, I played drums for over 20yrs and I hate guitar hero and rock band drumming. For these guys if it's too much a simulation than they'd notice the difference too much, but an arcade style game is so far from reality they could just have fun with it.
We need a combo of the sponsorship system, career and compounds of MTX Mototrax AND then physics and animations of MX vs ATV Relfex!
I want a game that has tuneable engines, not just gearing. Also once you get sponsored your mechanic does the tuning for you. And multi-season contracts.
@@jmard24 Hell ya man! That sounds awesome, they should give us the experience like all the factory teams have like Pro Circuit gives their riders with in-house research and development and dyno testing to max out every aspect of the bike 🏁
Mx sim had a hit. Best mx game ever. Mx bikes is challenging for top spot.
I have very fond memories of the pre release demo. Just doing moto after moto with the RC character at Sugar Ridge. Pretty cool how we got to play the demo a month before release to build hype. Such a fun game
ATV offroad fury 2 is as good or better than mx vs atv, solid pick from tomac. the worlds and soundtrack is sooo good on atv 2
REFLEX!!!!! And the custom tracks!!!! All the OG games are great and the goat is reflex. All down hill from there on
Reflex is so goated. I remember when they shut down the servers around September 2012
2013* The servers are still up in pc though 👌
@@KimLongShlong damn never knew only had it on Xbox
That was a sad day😢
Motocross Madness the pc game that turned into mx vs atv
Mtx mototrax, mva reflex, mva alive.
Alive is so good when you get the clutch/seat bounce dialed.
Alive has the best physics system imo. Unfortunate it is so bare in content
@@theread3480 yeah agreed. Too stuck in the reflex shadow for the community to give it the chance it deserved. I think that was also when THQ bit the dust.
What could have been
@@theread3480 yes hands down the best game. The scrub on it is by far the best
So cool that these guys grew up playing games just like us
MTX Mototrax, Reflex, ME SX5
Objectively, Reflex is by far the best if we're not considering Sim and MXBikes.
Reflex is still the king! Love to hear it. Please developers look at reflex and build from that. You have a gold mine just sitting there.
Motocross Madness 2.... So many custom Tracks, it was ridiculous. multiplayer was the bomb.
Man it might be rough now but 989’s Supercross circuit on PS1 was ridiculous! 👍🏼🤣
I'm with El hombre on this one. Unleashed was sick too. I'm old so even McGraths sx game was sick
Which game did he say? I can't hear what he said, but I know I used to play it
@@Tuckerfranciss Supercross circuit
Is it Jeremy McGrath Supercross 98 or 2000?
I want to see somebody show up with a THQ graphic kit
Mx vs atv Alive was an absolute banger
Motocross madness 1&2 & MX vs atv reflex for me..
Motocross madness 2 was awesome! Riding to the edge of the map and getting cannonballs back
Bring back reflex!
Offroad fury and #2. But OG was the epic Ricky Carmichaels Championship Motocross => soundtrack was epic. Still gives me chills
my top were atv offroad fury 2, jeremy mcgrath supercross 2000, freestyle motocross mcgrath vs pastrana and mx vs atv untamed
I was surprised jett Lawrence didn't mention mx simulator along side of reflex, him and cade matherly were playing
We all love the racing obviously. But PLEASE do more out of the box and interesting things like this. We all heard the riders say the same stuff about the same tracks. Let’s mix it up!! (Obviously Reflex is the Goat)
Shoutout MX Superfly from Max Anstie!! That was definitely my favorite
#1 alive 2# reflex. Everything sucks these days. That's why I don't play really. The pros are right.
When Jett and Hunter both say reflex, SX the game has a serious prob 😂
Porque eles são mais velhos, o Monster energy super cross é um dos melhores... e o MXGP também...
Glad to hear Reflex is the winner! now if the developers could PLEASE turn the servers back on for the xbox console
Notice how none of them said “Monster Energy Supercross: The Official Video Game”… milestone there’s a reason why
I'm not surprised how nobody mentioned supercross MX simulator.... reflex was the best physics and everyone knows it bring back reflex physics with next-gen graphics
Two people actually said mxsimulator. And the rest of em prolly just never heard of or didn't habe the time to get into it
Jett didnt say MX sim because hes upset at Cade for bullying him all the time ☠️
Obviously reflex is the goat love this content wondered if you guys could go around and ask the mechanical abilities of each rider if they could even tighten the chain
The people want another Reflex!
Mx Vs Atv Unleashed will always be my favorite bc they had everything from Bikes, Quads, Sandrails, Golf Carts, Monster Trucks, etc. you could do supermoto, hillclimbs, huge free ride maps and my dad just had bought a brand new YFZ 450r and they had the exact same year model in the game, thought it was so cool. But reflex was kinda a better more improved Unleashed but it was missing things unleashed had but also added things that it didn’t. They are the best motorcross games of all time.
YESS! Been waiting for this. Reflex is the Goat. SX1 is really good. As well as MXGP3, MX ATV Legends gets better with every update. I've wanted to hear if racers played any of the games all my friends do while we pretend to be real racers :P
MXGP3
Those milestone games are ass
@@jpesicka492mxgp three was fire
Cool to hear the pros say what we've all been saying for years.....Reflex ftw
Not one mention of MTX Mototrax is disrespectful man that game was soooooo sick
Alive
I think the new one is pretty good once you set it up. But yea the reflex is cool and so is mx unleashed. I remember the mtb game Down Hill Domination was rad man. The characters cracked me up,,," I play by own rules", Good times.
Mtx Mototrax, mx unleashed, mx2002, mx superfly, reflex, and freekstyle was a mad fun game
Freakstyle 😂 that game was crazy
Reflex 🐐
chrisholm and bogle have the same voice LOL
time to create some more custom tracks for reflex i guess :P
MTX Mototrax, Reflex, Alive just for the Stewart compound!
Best vídeo game is MTX - Moto trax I'm from 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Couple key takeaways: No one mentioned the modern "Monster Energy Supercross the Game 1-5" which was funny. And two, a TON of riders said MX vs ATV 1/2 and MX Unleashed and even cited hating the dual joysticks aspect. I fully agree with this. Why dont the new developers just try ONE GAME that's a throwback to the original controls/physics/gameplay of MX vs ATV 1/2/unleashed and give it a try?!
Except 90 percent of them claimed reflex is the best and still play it
Bro literally 90% of em said reflex. And several of them said it wasn't even close
Reflex, played them all though earliest good memories with motocross madness 1 and 2. Do people even remember those games anymore?
You hear that?
MX game companies take notes! ^
You know what you gotta make now ;)
#reflex2
Really love this bit, had to be one of Kellen’s ideas.
Stoked most of them Said Mx Vs Atv Reflex.
It’s timeless, a Modern Classic Arcade Moto Game.
Why we won’t get another Reflex; THQ Was Filing for Bankruptcy so they had to lay off Devs and they lost the original code that’s why Alive and the newer title were lackluster.
As far as the recent games I enjoyed have to be MxGp3, MESX 1, and Mx Bikes
Still My Favs are Mx Unleashed, Mx Vs Atv Unleashed, Untamed, and Reflex!
Milestone has yet to improve as they keep regressing from each new release.
Ive been playing mx bikes recently, have you got the chance to play mx simulator yet
I also play MXGP2, MXGP3, and MTX Mototrax, even MX VS ATV Unleashed too. And I still play the game and trying to do some full longplay for it.
REFLEX FOREVER
ATV Quad Power Racing 2 where you could boot the riders off their bikes next to you lol. Other than that - MX/ATV Reflex.
Reflex!!! I still play it!
Old school for sure mx unleashed or mx vs atv unleashed. New school reflex. Hands dowm
MX REFLEX WAS THA ABSOLUTE GOAT OF PHYSICS AND WHIPS ALL THE WAY TO THE TEXTURE AND RUT BUILDUP/ DIRT BREAKDOWN
Reflex will remain the best
Supercross the game punching the air rn
this is awesome!!
Motocross madness 2!
Love reflex dude
MXGP3 is the one and only realistic MX game I've personally played.
Rainbow Studios, we told you so. Make another Reflex.
Also, notice how none of them said any of the Milestone games lol
Motocross madness 2 hands down
mx bikes
Excitebike 1984.
Atv off road fury 2 was goat of all 4 wheeler games
Everyone skipped over MX vs ATV Untamed but maybe some meant that when they said Unleashed. Unleashed, Untamed, and Reflex were great.
Untamed (PS2/PSP/Wii) or Untamed (PS3/Xbox360)? Very different games
Surprised no one mentioned mx bikes
The freeride in mx v atv was sic
More of these videos now ask fav track outdoors & fav rider
Reflex for 3rd person and mxgp3 for 1st person
Mx bikes is really realistic it’s my favorite but reflex is right there and mx bikes was recent tho
Mx 2002 is OG! And reflex is king 👑
Excite Bike hands down
Excitebike 64, mx unleashed, mx vs atv unleashed, reflex.
So what about ps4 only would it be unleashed
Reflex no doubt
Excitebike. Always and forever
All they have to do is release another mx vs atv game with reflex physics and it will be a best seller
Reflex was/is sick.
Mx vs at unleashed was/is sick
Reflex is the best no doubt
W interview question
Reflex is definitely the best one. Physics are unmatched.
Mx 2002 Featuring Ricky Carmichael =🐐🐐
Reflex! All day
mxgp and monster energy supercross, period.
Not a single mention of MXGP or Monster Energy Supercross! 😅
Kevin Moranz said that
Mine is Mx simulator or Mx vs atv reflex