Gemstonegeno was a proud member of the florencio science school, it appears he missed the most important lesson: faster firinng means better damage, and it demoralizes the opponent when they see red hitpoint marines defeating them.
There's actually some debate about how venomous komodos really are. We only discovered they even *had* venom in 2005, and there's some debate about whether it's really meant as venom, or whether it's for something completely different and just happens to be venomous. Testing on humans to see if the venom kills you on its own without *also* being savaged by a komodo dragon has been quite limited. Komodos don't really seem to act like venomous animals, either. If their prey fights them off they don't track it waiting for it to die from their venom. It's possible most of the deaths attributed to komodo venom are actually just the natural effects of being attacked by a ten foot lizard capable of knocking down trees by ramming them, and swallowing a goat whole.
@@TriangleChloros We already know what the venom is meant for, and it's well established. There is little debate to be had. The venom is not meant to kill prey by being a neurotoxin like most other venoms. It is meant to prevent blood from clotting. Clotting helps stop bleeding. This is what allows the Komodo to take out large prey animals, such as water buffalo, that they normally cannot physically outperform. They basically bleed to death while the komodo chills after wounding them. As for a human, yes, you're right, the venom doesn't really matter, because chances are they'll run you down before you can get away and bleed to death anyway. But large animals, their venom is basically game over if there's enough wounds.
I sympathize with you, Kris. I've found the way to play ZvT with a turtling Terran is to slow the game down as well. By not attacking, Terran gives up map control, so make use of that. As Harstem points out, slow down their expansion while speeding up yours. Take their bases. Take the map with creep. Do any objective that does not include attacking (unless it's scouting). Note that in the end game scenario, when you convert to the map to units, if you take 100 of their minerals, the difference in total army size is 200 minerals. If you play a higher drone count, don't forget to store larva before engagements to shore up a lower max army supply. Note that this way, this way of 40 minute games will have you start winning at 15 minutes, and you can savor your opponents' tears until they surrender
Literally this. Take 5-7 bases build a crapton of corrupters, upgrade them and build 3 Broodlords (if you have hive) then just sit infront of the terrans base and chip away with the broods. If he base trades move in and piss on his entire production with the corruptors and broods. Lings are only really there to prevent doom drops in your base.
Exactly, he started losing when he built 11 spores, it could have been 11 drones and another hatch, he was floating a lot of money, after that, deny enemy expansions and star trading.
(Komodo dragon) "that's a good way to go: Komodo dragons don't do kill-bites. They cripple you and then start ripping things off and gulping them down piece by piece. It's actually an absolutely horrid way to go 😂
Yeah, often people build BC but don't put turrets with them. BC are a little bit weak to some things. If you are active with building turrets it cancels out the BC's only weakness without using any supply or gas. BC can yamato the spellcasters from behind the turrets. scans also help.
Remember when in Cyberpunk 2077 Keanu Reaves appeared and everyone went crazy? That will happen when we hear Hamster's voice in a iodis video. absolute legend.
F2ing is strong with this one. He could've just put the corruptors in hotkey 2 - feels similar to F2 ;D and all those zerglings would've been alive for the actual marine attack later
Guy complains that corruptors suck when he's fighting bcs in equal numbers, he thinks that's a little overkill so he morphs some into broods, I don't get the headspace these people occupy when they do really really stupid things and then feel like the deserve the win, like if they were playing a mirror that he objectively outplayed his opponent which is obviously not the case. The lack of self reflection used to get to me and it almost did again, that's what my above comment was about however I changed my perspective and now I appreciate it for the absurdity it is and incorporate that into my zen because otherwise it's ridiculous. Edit: Now I'm thinking about which soups you chew and which you don't
That's the beauty of a strategy game. You can lose by doing stupid things. 10 spores in response to 1 battlecruiser coming in a minute instead of droning straight to 80 drones by 6.30 or bane busting is a hugely problematic mistake. Getting infestation pit and +2 `and corruptors and everything while staying on 54 workers instead of droning to 80 is a fundamental misunderstanding of the game and how the race plays that you deserve to lose for. Like Harstem said, the play is probably fully saturate 4 bases ASAP, could have been done by 7 mins with this players injects, then mass Corruptor/Bane with maybe like an ultra and deny the 4th repeatedly.
@@tambaz2276 I don't disagree, he didn't even need to do everything you mentioned, they're playing at platinum, he would have been fine using his lings to deny and harass expansions and just made 30 corruptors and a few more drones and got a fourth, like he was playing against somebody not playing very well and got so massively outplayed anyways. That's fine I'm not on him for being bad at the game but complaining and somehow thinking he outplayed the other guy despite producing equal numbers of corruptors for bcs and facing no pressure before the bcs but still being at parity against a player investing in bcs on 3 base. Like he did everything wrong, if you could win after that then it would be zerg not terran that's imba
Would you recommend that Kris had gone double-spire for both air upgrades here? seems like the lack of armor is causing them to lose a lot vs. the BCs (that have +2 weapons)
Not as important as learning the basics, like Queens and not murdering 8 more drones than you need to make spores. Double Spire should never be a thing before the super late game.
@@hivetech4903 tbh for lower level players who usually bank a lot of resources, double upgrades are fine and a good way to get more value from units that they can't micro as well
You are focusing on an insignificant thing compared to everything else what was going wrong with this match. It's like trying to fix a bicycle by repainting it to save it from rusting while it misses a wheel and a pedal
even 0/0 corruptors would have been fine, if he just denied the bases, he could have easily busted the 3rd too, 10 stimmless marines, a pf and 5 bcs ain't gonna hold against a ling/bane flood
This feels like one of those "I saw a vid/guide on how to play and suddenly it stopped working" kinda players, where they know WHAT they're suppose to do but they dont understand the actual numbers or reasoning behind it. Building some spores is good, building 11 off the bat is more like he saw late game zerg with a bunch of spores and went "Oh if theres air, I should always build a lot of spores cuz they shoot up" and didnt know the spores where there to slow Airtos. Or like you kept bringing up, the injects. "I should inject at this timing" but not realizing what you should be doing with that extra larvae
insanity means you do the same thing and expecting a different result. You keep making lings corruptors and running them into the terran with plantary fortress and turrets among other stuff multiple times and yet you think the 4th or 5th time you attempt will yield a different result?
This is actually my rank, (3000MMR) and I don't understand how such a terrible build orden from Geno could result in a win, (I'm terran BTW) BC players piss me of, just low apm players use it, is a brainless unit, move attack, throw a yamato and teleport, is the same for toss with carriers or DTs.
I'm a low APM protoss player (2900MMR) and the amount of salt I get from you terrans playing at the same level as me is insane. I have been using Harstems latest build order guide against terran and I barely have the APM to execute that build properly, so when I show up at the terran's base (about a minute late) they often have two siege tanks and I have to retreat. Despite starting with a build that favors units over eco and taking a bad fight early on it's still about 50-50 if I am able to make a transition to air and just a-move a carrier ball into terran and win. If I do win the terran is usually floating 3000+ resources at the end of the game or they are still on 3 base at 15 minutes when I have 5-6 bases. You fast players complaining about us slow players really drives me crazy because the fix for you to climb the ladder is literally just learning some theory and using some of your abundant APM to macro. Ironic that you're calling us brainless
it bites you then follow your scent for a few days while you get weaker and sicker untill you can't function or move and then it finds and eats you ^^ they are generally corpse eaters, find dead animals and eats them with their very good smell sensory also they can be big enough to fight and win against a human so also dangerous with that ^^ but generally if you got access to medicine they ain't dangerous for humans as such, they can reach a top speed around what you can sprint.
honestly, if at 10 minutes he simply banebusted to the natural, that would have been a win. Corruptors are for defending against BCs, you never attack into a base with bcs you run around them
i need to switch to terran i guess ... if u can get out of silver with THAT buildorder the race must be imba xD but also if u lose to a terran THIS bad you also should be in silver xD i thought platin players were better to be honest xD
Ok, to the noobs(to everyone else too really): If you already have your 10 wins over 10 days in unranked to unlock ranked, don't waste your time playing unranked. Otherwise, you're just playing ranked without getting any of the credit. You're all in the same queue pool anyway. Depending on how low your unranked mmr is, you will just end up curb stomping on people much, much lower skill than you, ruining their experience because they actually are playing ranked. Honestly, I wish they'd either remove unranked completely, or separate the playlist queue again.
this is just false. you have a seperate unranked mmr that is hidden from you (but not from your opponent) and it functions exactly the same as your regular mmr. Moreover, If you played ranked but not unranked, your unranked mmr will be based on your ranked mmr (and vice versa)
@@ieaturanium574 First off... I actually mentioned the MMR for each is tracked separately. They are not the same, nor are they linked. Oh, and ONLY Masters and GM players get their MMR shown before the score screen! If the last part of your statement was remotely true, why on earth do we frequently find diamonds(I ran into this all the time when I first started playing) playing unranked down in silver, and gold league? 🤔 That's how it SHOULD work, but that's not how it actually DOES work.
There are plenty of good reasons to play unranked. For example, when I'm drunk, tanking my MMR playing ranked isn't going to help anyone. I'll still end up stomping people, it'll just be when I next play sober. It's also a decent way to learn new build orders for similar reasons. Or to try out new hotkey layouts - a D1 player who decides to learn The Core for the first time is probably going to be low plat at *best*. Possibly much lower. Which explains why you find diamonds in silver and gold - we're using unranked to do things that simply wouldn't work in diamond, so our unranked MMRs end up falling drastically. You wouldn't find many unranked diamonds in gold your way, because the instant they actually started playing unranked, they'd hit plat within, like... five games or so? I forget how long it actually takes to get from gold to plat if you win every game.
@@TriangleChloros Or you could just play vs the AI, 2v2s, or coop while you learn these things. I'm just saying in all of those instances... you have options that don't include unranked. as far as rank progression, it depends person to person. sometimes they jump a tier every two games, sometimes they get it in one, sometimes they get it in 3. so yeah on average, about 6 games assuming they win them all and unranked has provisional MMR like ranked does. It's just annoying, because even if they're not in your hair for long... even if the noob does win... they're gonna get 4 mmr for a game that could legit last an hour because the noob doesn't know how to finish the game. 🤣 it's just not worth it for anyone IMO.
@@imzesok Why would you ever even *consider* 2v2? If a diamond player playing 1v1 at a gold level is ruining someone's experience, isn't playing 2v2 ruining 2-3 people's? Coop is essentially a different game, and the AI just... sucks. Like *really* sucks. In a way that makes it incredibly boring and predictable once you learn how it works. Even a gold player will try to harass you, will throw different builds at you, will in general force you to respond to things at least a little. The AI has... what, like... a dozen builds per race or something? Most of them are pretty outdated, and I'm pretty sure they basically all boil down to 'build an army of [insert composition here] then F2A at you at [predefined time]. If you kill the AI's workers, it will still just attack at the exact same time, with fewer units. Which is kind of hilarious. Do you actually have think diamond players who actually have the game sense to know where things are going, and who *aren't* risking MMR, are less likely to tap out early than gold players who don't realise they lost ten minutes ago? Because I honestly doubt that.
well i bet you chris sucks, but turtle terran is imba, neither z or p can remotely sustain the dmg off T and still be "fine"; but its always been like that bc god forbid terran players actually evolve their strategies or playstyle ;P and now that all "siege" like and longer range units, except terrans, has been majorly nerfed over the years the problem has only become bigger. also T3 terran units are just ridiculessly OP compared to Z and P, especially P.. i mean FGS bc gets free teleport free instant kill unit at mega distance, on top off being basically a carrier that can be repaired and can't lose efficiency due to dmg. ghost is the "from now no bio units can be built or its energy for units; ow and if you protoss i will take 50% ish by just looking at you at longer range than any off your units can fire, ignoring tempest", etc.etc.... just f Terran and their imba crap, and all the constant nerfs to the other races bc off it... the balance is sooo dumb now and lore is a joke compared to the gameplay, it also just feels bad :P
here is my advice for new SC2 players. Don't pick zerg because it's twice as hard as the other races. It's ok to pick terran, but don't pick bio. Yes bio is imba, but you can't turtle with it, and new people don't want to do much activity. So go mass BC or Thor or something, and throw in some hellbats for lings.My best advice is to go protoss but don't build stalkers or disruptors. That's the best comp for having little or no skill.
I'm with Kris on this one. So he was supposed to macro better? Wasn't his macro already better than the Terran's? What else was he worse at than his opponent?
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6:40 Zerg builds 11 spores. 10:55 Terran builds 14 turrets. These two were meant for each other! :D
I love how he has almost every upgrade in the game except the one that matters against bcs - air carapace.
In defense of gemstoneGeno, if you don't build any medivacs, stimming is just killing your own units ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Gemstonegeno was a proud member of the florencio science school, it appears he missed the most important lesson: faster firinng means better damage, and it demoralizes the opponent when they see red hitpoint marines defeating them.
gemstoneGeno says NO to drugs
22:38 for those curious, he did not lose 15 workers - he lost 26.
Turns out he was right to be worried about 18 marines.
Well cap, Komodos are actually really dangerous. Not only can they sprint, they are also really venomous, and yes they also have a powerful bite.
There's actually some debate about how venomous komodos really are. We only discovered they even *had* venom in 2005, and there's some debate about whether it's really meant as venom, or whether it's for something completely different and just happens to be venomous. Testing on humans to see if the venom kills you on its own without *also* being savaged by a komodo dragon has been quite limited.
Komodos don't really seem to act like venomous animals, either. If their prey fights them off they don't track it waiting for it to die from their venom. It's possible most of the deaths attributed to komodo venom are actually just the natural effects of being attacked by a ten foot lizard capable of knocking down trees by ramming them, and swallowing a goat whole.
But can they zigzag?
You don't know shit about frogs then.
@@TriangleChloros We already know what the venom is meant for, and it's well established. There is little debate to be had. The venom is not meant to kill prey by being a neurotoxin like most other venoms. It is meant to prevent blood from clotting. Clotting helps stop bleeding. This is what allows the Komodo to take out large prey animals, such as water buffalo, that they normally cannot physically outperform. They basically bleed to death while the komodo chills after wounding them. As for a human, yes, you're right, the venom doesn't really matter, because chances are they'll run you down before you can get away and bleed to death anyway. But large animals, their venom is basically game over if there's enough wounds.
@@kano016 Humans are pretty lousy at zigzaging, so that's never really a good survival strategy.
I sympathize with you, Kris. I've found the way to play ZvT with a turtling Terran is to slow the game down as well. By not attacking, Terran gives up map control, so make use of that. As Harstem points out, slow down their expansion while speeding up yours. Take their bases. Take the map with creep. Do any objective that does not include attacking (unless it's scouting).
Note that in the end game scenario, when you convert to the map to units, if you take 100 of their minerals, the difference in total army size is 200 minerals.
If you play a higher drone count, don't forget to store larva before engagements to shore up a lower max army supply.
Note that this way, this way of 40 minute games will have you start winning at 15 minutes, and you can savor your opponents' tears until they surrender
Literally this. Take 5-7 bases build a crapton of corrupters, upgrade them and build 3 Broodlords (if you have hive) then just sit infront of the terrans base and chip away with the broods. If he base trades move in and piss on his entire production with the corruptors and broods. Lings are only really there to prevent doom drops in your base.
Also some spellcasters would have made wonders. Corruptors with fungal or vipers with bombs are really good vs vikings.
Exactly, he started losing when he built 11 spores, it could have been 11 drones and another hatch, he was floating a lot of money, after that, deny enemy expansions and star trading.
@@Karttibone Isn't this the perfect way to lose 200 supply to liberators?
These spores tell a tale of past air trauma.
This should had been on Rank Roulette. Would had been epic.
The 5 drinx->2 rax->CC->6 drinx->lift rax rant had me rolling.
(Komodo dragon) "that's a good way to go:
Komodo dragons don't do kill-bites. They cripple you and then start ripping things off and gulping them down piece by piece. It's actually an absolutely horrid way to go 😂
14:35 zergling runby inside this terran base would‘ve been nice to see
2:25 That's like the joke from Robin Hood: Men in Tights: I'd rather be pissed off, than pissed on!
You killed me Hamster, like the low league Terran you are
I think you can indeed escape a komodo dragon by running away zigzagging.
Yeah, often people build BC but don't put turrets with them. BC are a little bit weak to some things. If you are active with building turrets it cancels out the BC's only weakness without using any supply or gas. BC can yamato the spellcasters from behind the turrets. scans also help.
honestly, you would make a great story teller / stand up comedian.
5:55 Hamster, Terran DESERVES to be 5th place :)
The early game fundamentals were really good. But it was like he forgot there were other units he could make. Didn't see any ultras lol.
Give him a break, he intended to make them! He already had the upgrades!
@@pablovirus he got the upgrades in preparation for when he makes them in the next match!
Let's hope Kris doesn't open a Dark Fountain in your backyard for this roast.
First thing that came to mind when i saw the name Kris for some absurd reason
Remember when in Cyberpunk 2077 Keanu Reaves appeared and everyone went crazy? That will happen when we hear Hamster's voice in a iodis video. absolute legend.
F2ing is strong with this one. He could've just put the corruptors in hotkey 2 - feels similar to F2 ;D
and all those zerglings would've been alive for the actual marine attack later
A new mini-game suggestion.
Guessing the rank from the imbalance complaint.
Ouch, Kris ... just ouch
At least your complaint form wasn't a 10 000 word essay. 👍 for that
the 4 broodlords were to break the turtling of the terran, im also plat and I do it when I go mass corruptor vs BCs
19:40 is peak harstem
Guy complains that corruptors suck when he's fighting bcs in equal numbers, he thinks that's a little overkill so he morphs some into broods, I don't get the headspace these people occupy when they do really really stupid things and then feel like the deserve the win, like if they were playing a mirror that he objectively outplayed his opponent which is obviously not the case. The lack of self reflection used to get to me and it almost did again, that's what my above comment was about however I changed my perspective and now I appreciate it for the absurdity it is and incorporate that into my zen because otherwise it's ridiculous.
Edit: Now I'm thinking about which soups you chew and which you don't
That's the beauty of a strategy game. You can lose by doing stupid things. 10 spores in response to 1 battlecruiser coming in a minute instead of droning straight to 80 drones by 6.30 or bane busting is a hugely problematic mistake. Getting infestation pit and +2 `and corruptors and everything while staying on 54 workers instead of droning to 80 is a fundamental misunderstanding of the game and how the race plays that you deserve to lose for. Like Harstem said, the play is probably fully saturate 4 bases ASAP, could have been done by 7 mins with this players injects, then mass Corruptor/Bane with maybe like an ultra and deny the 4th repeatedly.
@@tambaz2276 I don't disagree, he didn't even need to do everything you mentioned, they're playing at platinum, he would have been fine using his lings to deny and harass expansions and just made 30 corruptors and a few more drones and got a fourth, like he was playing against somebody not playing very well and got so massively outplayed anyways. That's fine I'm not on him for being bad at the game but complaining and somehow thinking he outplayed the other guy despite producing equal numbers of corruptors for bcs and facing no pressure before the bcs but still being at parity against a player investing in bcs on 3 base. Like he did everything wrong, if you could win after that then it would be zerg not terran that's imba
Gemstone Geno, cousin of Dimebag Daryl.
23:12 had to sacrifice one corruptor to deny a base
Good ol' weapon rift!
A Dutch who knows nothing about diamonds.
I almost died laughing!! ^^ Frogs and dragons. lol!
Pure hate to play against Geno...
Just go for a nydus if you see terren turtle that hard early on in Play level.
It's a shame that 90 year old man without teeth is resigned to soup, because a fine roast was cooked up today. 😂
I'm not a zoologist, but I feel like every animal can zig-zag.
some animals are almost non-motile, such as many oceans drifters
Did he forget about the pissing? Why were the planetaries a problem?
Wow, I am 20 and the first RTS I played was WarCraft II, was I way behind or was Kevin way ahead? What happened here?
Warcraft II is older than me and I'm 23. You were behind by a decade or so.
I'm 30 and my first RTS was also warcraft 2, I swiched to AoE2 when i was 8.
Would you recommend that Kris had gone double-spire for both air upgrades here? seems like the lack of armor is causing them to lose a lot vs. the BCs (that have +2 weapons)
Not as important as learning the basics, like Queens and not murdering 8 more drones than you need to make spores. Double Spire should never be a thing before the super late game.
@@hivetech4903 tbh for lower level players who usually bank a lot of resources, double upgrades are fine and a good way to get more value from units that they can't micro as well
You are focusing on an insignificant thing compared to everything else what was going wrong with this match.
It's like trying to fix a bicycle by repainting it to save it from rusting while it misses a wheel and a pedal
even 0/0 corruptors would have been fine, if he just denied the bases, he could have easily busted the 3rd too, 10 stimmless marines, a pf and 5 bcs ain't gonna hold against a ling/bane flood
Clearly IMBA ! Those zerglings that tags along should have been able to defend against the BC !
nit: the upgrade is called weapon re-fit
the poor poor frog lol
6:42 He just like me fr fr
What is that wall lmao, man's been baneling busted a few too many times
Great last video before sleep
Like a dozen marines without stim got a CC, 16 drones, and one or two corruptors at 21 minutes...
Update: I spoke too soon it was 26 workers...
This feels like one of those "I saw a vid/guide on how to play and suddenly it stopped working" kinda players, where they know WHAT they're suppose to do but they dont understand the actual numbers or reasoning behind it. Building some spores is good, building 11 off the bat is more like he saw late game zerg with a bunch of spores and went "Oh if theres air, I should always build a lot of spores cuz they shoot up" and didnt know the spores where there to slow Airtos. Or like you kept bringing up, the injects. "I should inject at this timing" but not realizing what you should be doing with that extra larvae
These games are actually painful to watch. Iknow some people think its funny and stuff but i find it stressful
i thought vikings counter corrupters rather than other way round?
Is that why you befriended Lambo
There's something incredibly satisfying about watching a zerg throw his armies away into terran turtle over and over again.
Komodo dragon is lizard though
insanity means you do the same thing and expecting a different result. You keep making lings corruptors and running them into the terran with plantary fortress and turrets among other stuff multiple times and yet you think the 4th or 5th time you attempt will yield a different result?
This is actually my rank, (3000MMR) and I don't understand how such a terrible build orden from Geno could result in a win, (I'm terran BTW) BC players piss me of, just low apm players use it, is a brainless unit, move attack, throw a yamato and teleport, is the same for toss with carriers or DTs.
I'm a low APM protoss player (2900MMR) and the amount of salt I get from you terrans playing at the same level as me is insane. I have been using Harstems latest build order guide against terran and I barely have the APM to execute that build properly, so when I show up at the terran's base (about a minute late) they often have two siege tanks and I have to retreat. Despite starting with a build that favors units over eco and taking a bad fight early on it's still about 50-50 if I am able to make a transition to air and just a-move a carrier ball into terran and win. If I do win the terran is usually floating 3000+ resources at the end of the game or they are still on 3 base at 15 minutes when I have 5-6 bases.
You fast players complaining about us slow players really drives me crazy because the fix for you to climb the ladder is literally just learning some theory and using some of your abundant APM to macro. Ironic that you're calling us brainless
Typical Kris, with a K.
I just watched 50 of these IODIS videos in a week. Send help!
19:38 poison they have poison
it bites you then follow your scent for a few days while you get weaker and sicker untill you can't function or move and then it finds and eats you ^^ they are generally corpse eaters, find dead animals and eats them with their very good smell sensory
also they can be big enough to fight and win against a human so also dangerous with that ^^
but generally if you got access to medicine they ain't dangerous for humans as such, they can reach a top speed around what you can sprint.
? Since when do you need theeth to eat soup?
You just drink it, so there is no need to eat it.
In defense of Kris: First of all he is kinda right. It is stupid. And secondly: Using spellcasters at that level is not really thing.
I don't think you have to suck the soup if you don't have teeth. Although this might be a cultural difference.
Did Kris suck in 2023 or in 2024? We need answers, @Harstem!
honestly, if at 10 minutes he simply banebusted to the natural, that would have been a win. Corruptors are for defending against BCs, you never attack into a base with bcs you run around them
I want to play on the North American server now!
i need to switch to terran i guess ... if u can get out of silver with THAT buildorder the race must be imba xD
but also if u lose to a terran THIS bad you also should be in silver xD
i thought platin players were better to be honest xD
hello harstem
I love those zergs who claim terran is camping, and then in the actual game zerg never even tries attacking himself
na is different xD
This guy bottled soooo hard.
Ok, to the noobs(to everyone else too really): If you already have your 10 wins over 10 days in unranked to unlock ranked, don't waste your time playing unranked. Otherwise, you're just playing ranked without getting any of the credit. You're all in the same queue pool anyway. Depending on how low your unranked mmr is, you will just end up curb stomping on people much, much lower skill than you, ruining their experience because they actually are playing ranked. Honestly, I wish they'd either remove unranked completely, or separate the playlist queue again.
this is just false. you have a seperate unranked mmr that is hidden from you (but not from your opponent) and it functions exactly the same as your regular mmr. Moreover, If you played ranked but not unranked, your unranked mmr will be based on your ranked mmr (and vice versa)
@@ieaturanium574 First off... I actually mentioned the MMR for each is tracked separately. They are not the same, nor are they linked. Oh, and ONLY Masters and GM players get their MMR shown before the score screen! If the last part of your statement was remotely true, why on earth do we frequently find diamonds(I ran into this all the time when I first started playing) playing unranked down in silver, and gold league? 🤔
That's how it SHOULD work, but that's not how it actually DOES work.
There are plenty of good reasons to play unranked. For example, when I'm drunk, tanking my MMR playing ranked isn't going to help anyone. I'll still end up stomping people, it'll just be when I next play sober.
It's also a decent way to learn new build orders for similar reasons. Or to try out new hotkey layouts - a D1 player who decides to learn The Core for the first time is probably going to be low plat at *best*. Possibly much lower.
Which explains why you find diamonds in silver and gold - we're using unranked to do things that simply wouldn't work in diamond, so our unranked MMRs end up falling drastically. You wouldn't find many unranked diamonds in gold your way, because the instant they actually started playing unranked, they'd hit plat within, like... five games or so? I forget how long it actually takes to get from gold to plat if you win every game.
@@TriangleChloros Or you could just play vs the AI, 2v2s, or coop while you learn these things. I'm just saying in all of those instances... you have options that don't include unranked. as far as rank progression, it depends person to person. sometimes they jump a tier every two games, sometimes they get it in one, sometimes they get it in 3. so yeah on average, about 6 games assuming they win them all and unranked has provisional MMR like ranked does. It's just annoying, because even if they're not in your hair for long... even if the noob does win... they're gonna get 4 mmr for a game that could legit last an hour because the noob doesn't know how to finish the game. 🤣 it's just not worth it for anyone IMO.
@@imzesok Why would you ever even *consider* 2v2? If a diamond player playing 1v1 at a gold level is ruining someone's experience, isn't playing 2v2 ruining 2-3 people's? Coop is essentially a different game, and the AI just... sucks. Like *really* sucks. In a way that makes it incredibly boring and predictable once you learn how it works. Even a gold player will try to harass you, will throw different builds at you, will in general force you to respond to things at least a little. The AI has... what, like... a dozen builds per race or something? Most of them are pretty outdated, and I'm pretty sure they basically all boil down to 'build an army of [insert composition here] then F2A at you at [predefined time]. If you kill the AI's workers, it will still just attack at the exact same time, with fewer units. Which is kind of hilarious.
Do you actually have think diamond players who actually have the game sense to know where things are going, and who *aren't* risking MMR, are less likely to tap out early than gold players who don't realise they lost ten minutes ago? Because I honestly doubt that.
well i bet you chris sucks, but turtle terran is imba, neither z or p can remotely sustain the dmg off T and still be "fine";
but its always been like that bc god forbid terran players actually evolve their strategies or playstyle ;P
and now that all "siege" like and longer range units, except terrans, has been majorly nerfed over the years the problem has only become bigger.
also T3 terran units are just ridiculessly OP compared to Z and P, especially P.. i mean FGS bc gets free teleport free instant kill unit at mega distance, on top off being basically a carrier that can be repaired and can't lose efficiency due to dmg. ghost is the "from now no bio units can be built or its energy for units; ow and if you protoss i will take 50% ish by just looking at you at longer range than any off your units can fire, ignoring tempest", etc.etc.... just f Terran and their imba crap, and all the constant nerfs to the other races bc off it... the balance is sooo dumb now and lore is a joke compared to the gameplay, it also just feels bad :P
plat players are hilarious.
I m same mmr zerg as you and I say you suck HARD after 5min.
here is my advice for new SC2 players. Don't pick zerg because it's twice as hard as the other races. It's ok to pick terran, but don't pick bio. Yes bio is imba, but you can't turtle with it, and new people don't want to do much activity. So go mass BC or Thor or something, and throw in some hellbats for lings.My best advice is to go protoss but don't build stalkers or disruptors. That's the best comp for having little or no skill.
I'm with Kris on this one. So he was supposed to macro better? Wasn't his macro already better than the Terran's? What else was he worse at than his opponent?