I was already familiar with Proverbs 8, and one of my favorite old hymns related to that: 1 ERE God had built the mountains, Or raised the fruitful hills, Before He filled the fountains That feed the running rills, In Thee from everlasting, The wonderful I AM Found pleasures never wasting, And Wisdom is Thy name. 2 When like a tent to dwell in, He spread the skies abroad, And swathed about the swelling Of ocean's mighty flood, He wrought by weight and measure; And Thou wast with Him then, Thyself the Father's pleasure, And Thine, the sons of men. 3 And couldst Thou be delighted With creatures such as we, Who, when we saw Thee, slighted, And nailed Thee to the tree? Unfathomable wonder, And mystery divine! The voice that speaks in thunder, Says, "Sinner I am thine". 4 And art Thou, Lord, delighted To call us now Thine own --- The love no longer slighted Which Thou to us hast shown? Oh, way of purposed blessing In death told out to man! The fruit we're now possessing, Of Wisdom's wondrous plan.
@jimmyjames7941 how many letters makes up JIMMY? 4 only a child or someone with the mind of a child will say 5. This is why they use this as a test to see if you can tell the difference. YHVH is only 3 letters. YHV. When you actually understand that, then you'll be able to learn the real TRUTH (which is another 4 letter word)
@waterssolar5025 how many letters is YHVH? Look closely... Can you count? Can you read? In ancient times vowels and repeated letters weren't used in writing. Which is why you can still read.words after you take the vowels out (disemvoweling). What does this say? "Hppy Brtdy" (remember what you learned in school about vowels. A E I O U and sometimes Y). In that example I removed the vowels but it is still legible. You can do this with repeating letters as well. You can take out the repeating letters and still will be able to read the words. This was common knowledge in ancient Greece where the secret teaching of the "Tetragrammaton" comes from. Most think it's of Hebrew origin but it isn't, like most things we use today it comes from the ancient Romans, who were Greek/Hellenes or HELNS (See? You know that says Hellenes, but I removed the repeated letters. So how many letters make up the word Hellenes? 5, it is a Pentagrammaton).
This is "heavy" Bible concepts. Too bad the Jews are so blind, they "can't see the forest for the trees", even though they possess the Scriptures and study them so intently, but without the aid of the Holy Spirit. They are "stuck" on Deut 6:4.
Not even you comprehend it . ! There is no such thing as holy spirit ! Dumbo .. The bible is plagiarized Sumerian mythology, ten commandments are from Egyptian book of the dead, Exodus never happened. all Characters n bible did not exist ! Jesus is sun god .it is astrotheology. Adam and Eve did not exist and neither did the great flood happen , no Noach and family building a Ark and all of that ! The Ark of covenant was Egyptian artifact and was a capacitor not a box made by inspiration of a Yaweh to Moses whatsoever. Moses did not even exist ! No historical Jesus nor Mary and Joseph nor 12 apostles. etc . and on an on thousands of facts. Do some study .. YOU are stuck of all of it !
@@Bolagh @ROBERT BOLAGH Indeed, Jesus was a Jew and believed in the greatest commandment, found in Deut 6:4. But you are wrong that the Trinity is unbiblical. Firstly, Deut 6:4 definitely does not deny the Trinity. The word used for "one" (אֶחָד, Echad) is used for complex unity, such as in Genesis 1:5, where there was morning and night, but ONE day; it is used in Genesis 2:24 of Adam and Eve becoming ONE flesh, Adam and Eve were distinct yet the very same word was used. It's used in Genesis 11:6 "Behold, they are ONE people". I could list countless more, but the point is that Deut 6:4 does not in anyway deny the Trinity, if God wanted to imply that He was totally one in person and had no complex unity, He would have used a different Hebrew word. So you are mistaken, the Shama does not teach against the Trinity because it is used many places for a complex unity. Second, the Trinity is Biblical, it is clear in God's revelation and is not inconsistent with any of it's parts. In fact if we simply want to stay in the Old Testament, we see plenty of places in which only some concept of Trinity makes sense. For example the Angel of the LORD (Or messenger) is often seen in the Old Testament, and He speaks as God and is identified as the LORD. For example speaking to Hagar He says: "'I will multiply your descendants exceedingly, so that they shall not be counted for multitude'" (Gen 16:10), and Hagar says afterward: "Then she called the name of the LORD who spoke to her, 'You are a God who sees'; for she said, 'Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?'" (Gen 16:13). See also Exodus 3:2; Judges 2:1-4; 5:23; 6:11-24; 13:3-22; 2 Samuel 24:16; Zechariah 1:12; 3:1; 12:8. In several passages, those who see the Angel of the Lord fear for their lives because they had “seen the Lord.” It’s clear that the Angel of the Lord was no mere angel. Viewed through the lens of the New Testament teaching of the Trinity, it’s easy to conclude that the Angel of the Lord could be a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ. A second example is the fact that the Messiah is given titles only belonging to God, and is seen as divine. Firstly, see Psalm 45:6-7: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of joy above Your fellows". See the text, it is clearly talking about the King, and points forward to the Messiah who we can say truly of "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever... God, Your God, has anointed You". The Only way to make sense of that is if you have a complex unity in God, distinct persons within the one Being of God. Secondly, in Isaiah 9, the Messiah is given these titles: "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace" (6). This son and child will be called the Mighty God, a name used only of the LORD in the very next chapter (10:21), Wonderful Counselor though not exactly pointing to deity, nonetheless with the other name indicates Divinity; Eternal Father or Father of Eternity, the idea is He eternally cares for His people or He is the originator of eternity, both only apply to God. I could go into many more texts but that's just the surface. Third, the New Testament clearly teaches the Trinity. For example in John's prologue, He says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth" (John 1:1, 14). "In the beginning" that is before time was, in the Greek it clearly indicates that the Word never "was not". "was with God" the Greek again indicating intimacy and face to face relationship. "the Word was God" this Word who eternally was in communion with the Father is God, yet there is one God? This can only be understood if we rightly understand that God is one in essence and three in persons (One what, three whose). Second to give one last example (Though I can give millions more) Paul writes in Titus 2:13-14: "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds". Jesus Christ is identified as "our Great God". One might object that it's mistranslated and that Great God and "Savior, Christ Jesus" should be one, but based on Paul's use of the Greek verbs, it's clear that the Greek can not be understood any other way. Second, that is further made clearer based on verse 14, the Father did not give Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, Jesus did. I highly encourage you to read James White's book, the Forgotten Trinity, as well as listen to the debates he has done on the Trinity. I would ask you to repent of your error, because you are saying something that is not true. The Bible clearly teaches the Trinity, and the Church has faithfully defended it for centuries. Please, look into these things, and I plead with you to repent and trust in the true Jesus and true Triune God of glory.
Jesus never existed. The story of jesus was adapted from Egypt,the son of God and savior Horus.Jesus was an invention based on the sun worship religion and cosmology religion.
Barb Chiavelli,, there are at least four ancient historians who recorded information about Jesus, they themselves were never Christians, so you are wrong.
Barb. Good luck! Your belief stands in contrast to every scholar throughout history--with the odd exception--but you have to chose for yourself whom you will serve. If Jesus is God, then serve him. If not, then serve yourself until the day you die. Those are your choices. But I encourage you to keep searching for the truth and come to know God who loves you beyond anything you can imagine. God is Jesus and He loves you so much that He would rather die than live without you, but He won't force himself, you have to accept Him...or don't...again, your choice.
I was already familiar with Proverbs 8, and one of my favorite old hymns related to that:
1 ERE God had built the mountains,
Or raised the fruitful hills,
Before He filled the fountains
That feed the running rills,
In Thee from everlasting,
The wonderful I AM
Found pleasures never wasting,
And Wisdom is Thy name.
2 When like a tent to dwell in,
He spread the skies abroad,
And swathed about the swelling
Of ocean's mighty flood,
He wrought by weight and measure;
And Thou wast with Him then,
Thyself the Father's pleasure,
And Thine, the sons of men.
3 And couldst Thou be delighted
With creatures such as we,
Who, when we saw Thee, slighted,
And nailed Thee to the tree?
Unfathomable wonder,
And mystery divine!
The voice that speaks in thunder,
Says, "Sinner I am thine".
4 And art Thou, Lord, delighted
To call us now Thine own ---
The love no longer slighted
Which Thou to us hast shown?
Oh, way of purposed blessing
In death told out to man!
The fruit we're now possessing,
Of Wisdom's wondrous plan.
Thank you for posting these videos. Is it possible to obtain a copy of the slides Dr. Heiser used?
YVHN 1:1 , YVHN 1:14
YHShVH is the WORD
The TRUE Tetragrammaton
Tetragrammatom literally means 4 letters. It ceases to be tetrabrammaton if there are more than 4 letters.
I guess that fact eluded him
@waterssolar5025 yes 4 letters YHVH is only 3 letters. YHShVH is 4 letters.
@jimmyjames7941 how many letters makes up JIMMY? 4 only a child or someone with the mind of a child will say 5. This is why they use this as a test to see if you can tell the difference. YHVH is only 3 letters. YHV. When you actually understand that, then you'll be able to learn the real TRUTH (which is another 4 letter word)
@waterssolar5025 how many letters is YHVH? Look closely... Can you count? Can you read? In ancient times vowels and repeated letters weren't used in writing. Which is why you can still read.words after you take the vowels out (disemvoweling). What does this say? "Hppy Brtdy" (remember what you learned in school about vowels. A E I O U and sometimes Y). In that example I removed the vowels but it is still legible. You can do this with repeating letters as well. You can take out the repeating letters and still will be able to read the words. This was common knowledge in ancient Greece where the secret teaching of the "Tetragrammaton" comes from. Most think it's of Hebrew origin but it isn't, like most things we use today it comes from the ancient Romans, who were Greek/Hellenes or HELNS (See? You know that says Hellenes, but I removed the repeated letters. So how many letters make up the word Hellenes? 5, it is a Pentagrammaton).
This is "heavy" Bible concepts. Too bad the Jews are so blind, they "can't see the forest for the trees", even though they possess the Scriptures and study them so intently, but without the aid of the Holy Spirit. They are "stuck" on Deut 6:4.
Not even you comprehend it . ! There is no such thing as holy spirit ! Dumbo .. The bible is plagiarized Sumerian mythology, ten commandments are from Egyptian book of the dead, Exodus never happened. all Characters n bible did not exist ! Jesus is sun god .it is astrotheology. Adam and Eve did not exist and neither did the great flood happen , no Noach and family building a Ark and all of that ! The Ark of covenant was Egyptian artifact and was a capacitor not a box made by inspiration of a Yaweh to Moses whatsoever. Moses did not even exist ! No historical Jesus nor Mary and Joseph nor 12 apostles. etc . and on an on thousands of facts. Do some study .. YOU are stuck of all of it !
I don't believe that you exist.
Onno Westerman Judaism without Moses is like a pizza without dough - a mish mash of toppings.
Was Jesus stuck on Deut 6:4? Jesus said in Mark that it’s the Greatest Commandment. The Trinity is unbiblical.
@@Bolagh @ROBERT BOLAGH Indeed, Jesus was a Jew and believed in the greatest commandment, found in Deut 6:4. But you are wrong that the Trinity is unbiblical. Firstly, Deut 6:4 definitely does not deny the Trinity. The word used for "one" (אֶחָד, Echad) is used for complex unity, such as in Genesis 1:5, where there was morning and night, but ONE day; it is used in Genesis 2:24 of Adam and Eve becoming ONE flesh, Adam and Eve were distinct yet the very same word was used. It's used in Genesis 11:6 "Behold, they are ONE people". I could list countless more, but the point is that Deut 6:4 does not in anyway deny the Trinity, if God wanted to imply that He was totally one in person and had no complex unity, He would have used a different Hebrew word. So you are mistaken, the Shama does not teach against the Trinity because it is used many places for a complex unity. Second, the Trinity is Biblical, it is clear in God's revelation and is not inconsistent with any of it's parts. In fact if we simply want to stay in the Old Testament, we see plenty of places in which only some concept of Trinity makes sense. For example the Angel of the LORD (Or messenger) is often seen in the Old Testament, and He speaks as God and is identified as the LORD. For example speaking to Hagar He says: "'I will multiply your descendants exceedingly, so that they shall not be counted for multitude'" (Gen 16:10), and Hagar says afterward: "Then she called the name of the LORD who spoke to her, 'You are a God who sees'; for she said, 'Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?'" (Gen 16:13).
See also Exodus 3:2; Judges 2:1-4; 5:23; 6:11-24; 13:3-22; 2 Samuel 24:16; Zechariah 1:12; 3:1; 12:8. In several passages, those who see the Angel of the Lord fear for their lives because they had “seen the Lord.” It’s clear that the Angel of the Lord was no mere angel. Viewed through the lens of the New Testament teaching of the Trinity, it’s easy to conclude that the Angel of the Lord could be a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ.
A second example is the fact that the Messiah is given titles only belonging to God, and is seen as divine. Firstly, see Psalm 45:6-7: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of joy above Your fellows". See the text, it is clearly talking about the King, and points forward to the Messiah who we can say truly of "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever... God, Your God, has anointed You". The Only way to make sense of that is if you have a complex unity in God, distinct persons within the one Being of God. Secondly, in Isaiah 9, the Messiah is given these titles: "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace" (6). This son and child will be called the Mighty God, a name used only of the LORD in the very next chapter (10:21), Wonderful Counselor though not exactly pointing to deity, nonetheless with the other name indicates Divinity; Eternal Father or Father of Eternity, the idea is He eternally cares for His people or He is the originator of eternity, both only apply to God. I could go into many more texts but that's just the surface.
Third, the New Testament clearly teaches the Trinity. For example in John's prologue, He says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth" (John 1:1, 14). "In the beginning" that is before time was, in the Greek it clearly indicates that the Word never "was not". "was with God" the Greek again indicating intimacy and face to face relationship. "the Word was God" this Word who eternally was in communion with the Father is God, yet there is one God? This can only be understood if we rightly understand that God is one in essence and three in persons (One what, three whose). Second to give one last example (Though I can give millions more) Paul writes in Titus 2:13-14: "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds". Jesus Christ is identified as "our Great God". One might object that it's mistranslated and that Great God and "Savior, Christ Jesus" should be one, but based on Paul's use of the Greek verbs, it's clear that the Greek can not be understood any other way. Second, that is further made clearer based on verse 14, the Father did not give Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, Jesus did. I highly encourage you to read James White's book, the Forgotten Trinity, as well as listen to the debates he has done on the Trinity. I would ask you to repent of your error, because you are saying something that is not true. The Bible clearly teaches the Trinity, and the Church has faithfully defended it for centuries. Please, look into these things, and I plead with you to repent and trust in the true Jesus and true Triune God of glory.
its funny how the blinded come here to mock when u not convincing anyone of anything
Jesus never existed. The story of jesus was adapted from Egypt,the son of God and savior Horus.Jesus was an invention based on the sun worship religion and cosmology religion.
Barb - try listening to or reading Gary Habermas regarding whether Jesus existed.
Barb Chiavelli,, there are at least four ancient historians who recorded information about Jesus, they themselves were never Christians, so you are wrong.
Horus was never called the son of god and savior of humanity. zeitgeist has been debunked as a fraud. Move on to other arguments atheists
Barb. Good luck! Your belief stands in contrast to every scholar throughout history--with the odd exception--but you have to chose for yourself whom you will serve. If Jesus is God, then serve him. If not, then serve yourself until the day you die. Those are your choices. But I encourage you to keep searching for the truth and come to know God who loves you beyond anything you can imagine. God is Jesus and He loves you so much that He would rather die than live without you, but He won't force himself, you have to accept Him...or don't...again, your choice.
An 18th century claim with not an ounce of proof. Horus and Jesus have no connection. Stop believing everything you hear on UA-cam.