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Recently played a 8 men FFA game and one of the guys literally had a pure great bombard army + bunch of Castles he used to "agressively defend" himself against 4 players and killed half the lobby with it.
The Malian player did the same mistage the HRE player did in that one Salami Video, and that is he stopped making units. You dont need to be in imp, your dont need culverin or roller shutter trigger spingals, you just need springals, 5 to be exactly to one shoot a great bombard. You kill the Great bombard befor it is ready to shoot. Just never stopp making units in age 3, burn down the Militry Schools and its gg for you. With Militry Schools alone, he can never outnumber you, if you just let him stay and build up an amry of free units you lose, going up to imp means you have to stopp making units, then you need to make techs or culverin, by that time he already has multiple great bombards and an amry to protect them.
That's right. I go for MIA first if I am able too, as I'm super worried about those mangos / megabombards taking out my trash army of spearman. Once I take that out I pull back, then go back in for round 2 to take out the military schools.
He just needs units. Springalds are waste of time. By all means, 14min imp is super early. You should be ready as Malian since you are undisturbed. But your intuition is probably with a 16min readiness. Plus you may have some innate fear towards jans. Regardless, the opponnet just didn't play well having no sofa nor jav rushing through Drongo's eco by 14min since, again, he was undistrubed, and unopposed. Drongo shouldve died by 16min. A single bombard doesnt do anything when the Malian units are all scattered and killing vils all over the places. Incidentally, if you are super ahead and you want to kill but you dont want to build siege to slow you down, scattering for multi-prong attack is key for avoiding massive loss by inopportuned mango shots from fog of war. This last point is not obvious but is also nothing special for a Conq 3 player.
Been using this build love it . Any advice on the variation of this build to defend against a feudal rush from French knights or English . I’m thinking of just assigning more villas to wood instead of gold to pump out some defense while going to castle behind it. Any advice ?
Goodness gracious, that's powerful. In a certain moment there you had only 17 villagers and 102 (ONE HUNDRED AND TWO!!!) troops! That's absolutely insane. And also it shows the power of siege + handcanoneers. Rus with springalds, mangonels and, yes, bombards (for which Rus has unique improvements) surrounded by a small, but sufficiently numerous, detachment of Streltsy also decimate opponents. Three or four bombards destroy enemy buildings, four or five springalds destroy enemy springalds and mangonels, and two or three mangonels kill massed enemy units. Then the streltsy just defends the siege surrounding it and staying still, since it has improved attack rate AND an insane melee damage (I think it's 60) when units come closer. Your other units will be there just to disrupt more of the enemy's attempt to destroy your siege. Well, I can see this works amazingly well for Ottomans too, but in a totally different level. Thanks for the video!
Ok if the Great Bomard is good, why didn't MarineLord, Beasty, Bee and Lucifron basically NEVER use it in ANY of the last competitive matches?? Several went to Imp
You just saw how he saved the game in conq xD isn't it enought ? And after his little buff I think, anyway, in your lvl it should be more than ok tu have fun with it ^^
did u watch the last tournament call to arms? Lucifron teach us how to use the great bombard + janissary vs LoueMT in quartes... go watch it and stop crying X)
I think you would have been in even more of a pickle when he was in your base. If your opponent focused on taking out all the houses and military buildings then you wouldn't have been able to print units until you got more wood. With 8 vils left even having the MIA isn't going to save you from the next wave. He was trying to LM snipe you which I think was his mistake.
Drongo, would you recommend a beginning player to play Ottomans instead of Chinese? I used to be pretty good at aoe2, but the Chinese in aoe4 are hard to play. I do think it's the most fun civ for me though. I'd like to improve myself as a player no matter the civ though.
It’s not the strategys that wins games or rank you up. It’s how good we multi-task and how fast. I can never get out of gold with just this strategy, i have to learn all the other stuff and do them faster.
Top players quite simply never (I mean NEVER) use the Great Bombard in competitive games worth $$$. After patch no change, because it's still super weak. Simple as that
i tried this and won against a guy who needed one win to go Conqueror 1 and he flamed me :D . Another guy got confused on how i was able to keep up and win. When game finished he had almost in all resources double mine.
Hey Drongo, thanks for that. i can say it works :-) could defend myself vs 2 Plat player one Mongol and 1 Malians..... he great Bombars are INSANE :.) I love them. more than the Elephants from Dehli :-)
Select villagers. Right click your villagers to go to a resource. Press G to garrison them. Select TC. Press D to "Return to work". Note: This won't work if you just right click your villagers on the ground, or if you send them to build something
Had some success with ottomans as well, but im wondering, how do you counter aggression if people just rush you down? With ottomans at least you have some units out due to schools, but theres the risk of something like a royal knight + archer feudal push from french, mass men at arms from hre as soon as they pop age 3 before youd have mangonels, and just as annoying you get english longbows age 2 which will snipe vills and any military you have cause they outrange towers and get dangerously close to your tc, denying you any gathering. When playing other civs you dont get your free training either, so its even harder to keep up with numbers.
Ive made the same experience so far. Ottomans is a great civ, that can even turn so many games which were in favor for the enemy player (as displayed in this video). BUT: if you play against an aggressive english main with lots of archers, that is staying in the 2. age - you will get destroyed. Same goes if you play vs an strong and aggressive hre player, he will spam man at arms/landsknecht/waffenknecht and some rams and you will def. get destroyed. There is no counter against that
Hey Drongo, can you talk a bit about the pros and cons of walling in in this build order? You seem pretty strapped for wood/surplus stone and I can't tell if walling would have given value.
Drongo, i love your build! personally i prefer to play this with 2tc.. feudal age up with 2 and gather stone+wood meanwhile. i manage everytime to get up to imperial under 14 minutes. While having 5 Military schools + blacksmith up! AND i go for early Wheelbarrow asap when i reach feudal. What do you think about this? (i am a Diamond player so i think you could do it even better)
in my opinion its so much stronger cause you have much more eco running for you when you reach that imperial age. you could look then to build production, or walls and keeps, or trade. But with 24 Villagers you have to really try to keep your head above water
Its just setup for failiure against every civ that tends for early aggresion. Just dont stop making units, you dont need to be imp to kill the ottoman player in that setup.
This is almost the same build order I have been using since the Ottomans came out. I’m too slow to do anything more than an AI match though. Good to mix in Jans
Doesn't this get countered with blade55555's anti fast imperial strategy? He has a video on his channel where he demonstrates it against HRE fast imperial. The moment after the initial slaughtering of the villagers the enemy builds siege and trebs you down from a distance. He will have always more units because he stayed castle.
@@hounddogzepp i know I know, but I always see people saying that this strategy is overpowered and that it will lead to nerfs. And meanwhile it seems to me that this strategy is countered by making two trebs instead of going to imperial...
It's not overpowered but it's unrealistic and probably unintended to have a very strong army with only a handful of villagers so yeah there's a good chance that it will get nerfed.@@OptimusCrime4444
@@OptimusCrime4444 I don't like the mindset of finding an exploitable weak point in the design of the game and then teaching people how to capitalise on it. But if it brings it to the attention of the devs who can then nerf it then I guess its all good
First thing you should ram is that mehmed imperial armory landmark because thats where the bombard pops out you need to delay that bombard mass as long as you can, so do age 2 ram push into age 3 MAA +archers for the jans
The economic advantage is this: you can produce a large army without spending anything on units. In other words, once the military schools are built, the only thing you theoretically need economy for is upgrades (which can be quite expensive, but you don't need very many of them - I think his relics were providing him with all of the economy that he needed). Hardly something that I'd consider weak in theory, given that the opponent is spending thousands to match the Ottoman military. Certainly appears to be strong enough in practice, given that he won with most of his economy consisting of 4 relics.
Ottomans still needs buff. Drongo is commentor not pro player. Ottomans rely on only military schools that is so lame and boring. There is no strategy here.
Remember when Drongo hosted not one but two FFA tournaments with special rules called "Everyone Should Play Like Szalami?" Drongo is just continuing this tradition. Everyone SHOULD play like Corvinus because it's cool.
Before going to my main point, I want to say this- Jannissary is not a bad unit. GB is not lame. This game is not a standard to argue that Otto Fast Imperial is a flawless strategy. It's so vulnerable. Yes, it's kinda absurd seeing you pull off with 5 vs some 50 villagers+cow economy. But at many points, the Malian player made so many mistakes. (1) He/she stopped making units (2) He/she saw you making jans and spears yet never went for archers or javelins. (3) Always brought melee units to deal with GBs. (4) never made a wall. (5) never made springalds/culvs. I would say drongo won this with his sheer micro skill and tons of mistakes from the opponent. If these many stars have to align to win a match, no way otto gonna make the S tier.
I do think Ottomans could use a slight adjustment, and that is removing Fast Training, the level 3 Vicier technology. Replace it with something else, as for right now every Ottoman build just feels like you wanting to go extra military school and then make them produce faster too. I think it's boring, and I think the Vicier technologies shouldn't be so entwined with one another. You will never go one without the other and that's my problem with it.
I feel sorry for all the lower level guys who will be trying this strat in anything but conq.. They will be utterly destroyed before they reach castle xD It's a fun strat, don't get me wrong, but it's a huge gamble for lower leagues where people who play against Ottoman are fed up with early rushes so they pre-emptively rush Otto themselves to get the upperhand (English/abba) and therefore this strat is useless.. unless it's high level play in conq where people usually tend to make a few units and never go an early all-in.
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Recently played a 8 men FFA game and one of the guys literally had a pure great bombard army + bunch of Castles he used to "agressively defend" himself against 4 players and killed half the lobby with it.
Oh no.. I RUINED DRONGO AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD DAM OTTOMAN IMPERIAL
You broke the game, I'll be forced to play imperial ottoman now
So it was you, I was sure someone made a guide for this, I have played 3 games against fast imp ottoman in the same night
Where can i find these opponents that let me simcity for 20 min?
LMAOOOO
27:00 COW ATTACK 🤣These cows seal the deal for me.
The Malian player did the same mistage the HRE player did in that one Salami Video, and that is he stopped making units. You dont need to be in imp, your dont need culverin or roller shutter trigger spingals, you just need springals, 5 to be exactly to one shoot a great bombard. You kill the Great bombard befor it is ready to shoot.
Just never stopp making units in age 3, burn down the Militry Schools and its gg for you. With Militry Schools alone, he can never outnumber you, if you just let him stay and build up an amry of free units you lose, going up to imp means you have to stopp making units, then you need to make techs or culverin, by that time he already has multiple great bombards and an amry to protect them.
That's right. I go for MIA first if I am able too, as I'm super worried about those mangos / megabombards taking out my trash army of spearman. Once I take that out I pull back, then go back in for round 2 to take out the military schools.
He just needs units. Springalds are waste of time. By all means, 14min imp is super early. You should be ready as Malian since you are undisturbed. But your intuition is probably with a 16min readiness. Plus you may have some innate fear towards jans. Regardless, the opponnet just didn't play well having no sofa nor jav rushing through Drongo's eco by 14min since, again, he was undistrubed, and unopposed. Drongo shouldve died by 16min. A single bombard doesnt do anything when the Malian units are all scattered and killing vils all over the places. Incidentally, if you are super ahead and you want to kill but you dont want to build siege to slow you down, scattering for multi-prong attack is key for avoiding massive loss by inopportuned mango shots from fog of war. This last point is not obvious but is also nothing special for a Conq 3 player.
Been using this build love it . Any advice on the variation of this build to defend against a feudal rush from French knights or English . I’m thinking of just assigning more villas to wood instead of gold to pump out some defense while going to castle behind it. Any advice ?
Honestly the mistakes made and how close to death this was just show even better how good Otto's are
Goodness gracious, that's powerful. In a certain moment there you had only 17 villagers and 102 (ONE HUNDRED AND TWO!!!) troops! That's absolutely insane. And also it shows the power of siege + handcanoneers. Rus with springalds, mangonels and, yes, bombards (for which Rus has unique improvements) surrounded by a small, but sufficiently numerous, detachment of Streltsy also decimate opponents. Three or four bombards destroy enemy buildings, four or five springalds destroy enemy springalds and mangonels, and two or three mangonels kill massed enemy units. Then the streltsy just defends the siege surrounding it and staying still, since it has improved attack rate AND an insane melee damage (I think it's 60) when units come closer. Your other units will be there just to disrupt more of the enemy's attempt to destroy your siege. Well, I can see this works amazingly well for Ottomans too, but in a totally different level. Thanks for the video!
Ok if the Great Bomard is good, why didn't MarineLord, Beasty, Bee and Lucifron basically NEVER use it in ANY of the last competitive matches?? Several went to Imp
my favourite ottoman bot
You just saw how he saved the game in conq xD isn't it enought ? And after his little buff I think, anyway, in your lvl it should be more than ok tu have fun with it ^^
did u watch the last tournament call to arms? Lucifron teach us how to use the great bombard + janissary vs LoueMT in quartes... go watch it and stop crying X)
I just want a game where I don't get attacked for 13 mins, and when I do it's 8 weak units
Drongo, do you ever end up using the vizier point that allows you to train knights and janissaries out of the military schools?
all he had to do was build rams which he didnt for some reason...
I think you would have been in even more of a pickle when he was in your base. If your opponent focused on taking out all the houses and military buildings then you wouldn't have been able to print units until you got more wood. With 8 vils left even having the MIA isn't going to save you from the next wave. He was trying to LM snipe you which I think was his mistake.
Why Ottoman? What about England?
anychance the build order imgur is incomplete?
this strat works well when you have A.I. Easy against like orange
Drongo, would you recommend a beginning player to play Ottomans instead of Chinese? I used to be pretty good at aoe2, but the Chinese in aoe4 are hard to play. I do think it's the most fun civ for me though. I'd like to improve myself as a player no matter the civ though.
u should play ottomans
Beginners should play the English or HRE.
ıts possible and french too@@portman8909
Do the 1st landmark must be with bushes? Isn't the 2nd option which gives you 28 golds per minute for each trader better?
lol malian 100% won the game - he just needed to focus schools - he made a mistake - thats the only reason you survived
Oh my, this replay was killing me inside
why twin madressa if the whole army is free isnt trade network better for the gold and then use farms and hunts for food?
im nab plat 1 player but beasty thought us u select middle infantryman in group for mangonels to do magic. yet i love u drongo great content
If this strategy is so great why MarineLord, Beasty etc never use it? Because it’s 100% impossible in real high level
I agree. Devs make Ottomans so lame.
"if this strat is so good why is not literally the best in the game?" 🤓🤓🤓 go outside vini you clown
Just do the best strat for your league. You'll never become Beasty or top players. Their APM can make anything work.
It’s not the strategys that wins games or rank you up. It’s how good we multi-task and how fast. I can never get out of gold with just this strategy, i have to learn all the other stuff and do them faster.
6:00 what?
Does this stuff work or has it changed now?
does it still ''work'' as of this day ?
Anyone have a link to an opener to use against english longbow rush.. this opener doesn't work at all when ur new lol.
Top players quite simply never (I mean NEVER) use the Great Bombard in competitive games worth $$$. After patch no change, because it's still super weak. Simple as that
no wait THIS is my favourite ottoman bot
@@AussieDrongo secret unit rolling out from the Imperial Armoury; The Ottobots
Beasty hosted a pro ffa and they used great bombards
In most of the games I play the enemy will rush at feudal/castle. How do you defend against that?
Surrender
I've used this build to make 60 Great Bombards in a ranked game and just posted a video about it! Thank you Aussie Drongo
MEGA LIKE BRO. IS EPIC WAR ;)
i tried this and won against a guy who needed one win to go Conqueror 1 and he flamed me :D .
Another guy got confused on how i was able to keep up and win. When game finished he had almost in all resources double mine.
Hey Drongo, thanks for that. i can say it works :-) could defend myself vs 2 Plat player one Mongol and 1 Malians..... he great Bombars are INSANE :.) I love them. more than the Elephants from Dehli :-)
How do you heal with imams?
its auto heal
stone first for military schools , smart
How do you do tc hop ??
Select villagers. Right click your villagers to go to a resource. Press G to garrison them. Select TC. Press D to "Return to work".
Note: This won't work if you just right click your villagers on the ground, or if you send them to build something
nice game!! fantastic!
Thats absurd... lol :D Nice Game!
and they say bombards are useless
Had some success with ottomans as well, but im wondering, how do you counter aggression if people just rush you down? With ottomans at least you have some units out due to schools, but theres the risk of something like a royal knight + archer feudal push from french, mass men at arms from hre as soon as they pop age 3 before youd have mangonels, and just as annoying you get english longbows age 2 which will snipe vills and any military you have cause they outrange towers and get dangerously close to your tc, denying you any gathering.
When playing other civs you dont get your free training either, so its even harder to keep up with numbers.
Ive made the same experience so far. Ottomans is a great civ, that can even turn so many games which were in favor for the enemy player (as displayed in this video).
BUT: if you play against an aggressive english main with lots of archers, that is staying in the 2. age - you will get destroyed. Same goes if you play vs an strong and aggressive hre player, he will spam man at arms/landsknecht/waffenknecht and some rams and you will def. get destroyed. There is no counter against that
15min imperial wtf?
This game is so addictive 🥰
Too addictive to be honest
dear drongo, what if the opponent all-ins you in feudal?
This is not effective. It's effective as scout rush is. This guy forgot about making units.
@@Von_Maverikits 100% effective…the simple fact that it forces u to produce units means u can kiss fast imperial bye bye
Drongo playstyle is all about naked greed
@@hounddogzeppit reminds me of the naked greed he did in his AOE3 Portuguese builds 😮
@@williamdaniels8383nah it wont work for top 100 never
Impressive 🤟
2-in-1 guide and fun replay. Love it
土豆哥？Brother potato？
11:12 bro forgets to pick up the relic
Just inspecting the goods!
Look very strong ,maybe Need a Little buff.
cool game
after seeing this I would say you should have a nerf to ottomans
path finding is a joke in this game, melee units get stuck that's why u win lol
only in this game can the line " sofas killing mangos" mean something thats not insane.
Hey Drongo, can you talk a bit about the pros and cons of walling in in this build order? You seem pretty strapped for wood/surplus stone and I can't tell if walling would have given value.
Drongo, i love your build! personally i prefer to play this with 2tc.. feudal age up with 2 and gather stone+wood meanwhile. i manage everytime to get up to imperial under 14 minutes. While having 5 Military schools + blacksmith up! AND i go for early Wheelbarrow asap when i reach feudal. What do you think about this? (i am a Diamond player so i think you could do it even better)
in my opinion its so much stronger cause you have much more eco running for you when you reach that imperial age. you could look then to build production, or walls and keeps, or trade. But with 24 Villagers you have to really try to keep your head above water
With the patreon is it live face to face coaching?. And how would I submit videos?. Because I’m interested in possible doing it
That was a pretty sketchy game. Down to 5 vills in Imp is not a guide I want to be following lmfao!
Its just setup for failiure against every civ that tends for early aggresion. Just dont stop making units, you dont need to be imp to kill the ottoman player in that setup.
This is almost the same build order I have been using since the Ottomans came out. I’m too slow to do anything more than an AI match though. Good to mix in Jans
Amazing display of civ strength😊
You are realy bad gamer 😂😂
Drongo OP
Doesn't this get countered with blade55555's anti fast imperial strategy? He has a video on his channel where he demonstrates it against HRE fast imperial.
The moment after the initial slaughtering of the villagers the enemy builds siege and trebs you down from a distance. He will have always more units because he stayed castle.
Every strat has a counter that's why you need to scout constantly
@@hounddogzepp i know I know, but I always see people saying that this strategy is overpowered and that it will lead to nerfs. And meanwhile it seems to me that this strategy is countered by making two trebs instead of going to imperial...
It's not overpowered but it's unrealistic and probably unintended to have a very strong army with only a handful of villagers so yeah there's a good chance that it will get nerfed.@@OptimusCrime4444
@@OptimusCrime4444 I don't like the mindset of finding an exploitable weak point in the design of the game and then teaching people how to capitalise on it. But if it brings it to the attention of the devs who can then nerf it then I guess its all good
First thing you should ram is that mehmed imperial armory landmark because thats where the bombard pops out you need to delay that bombard mass as long as you can, so do age 2 ram push into age 3 MAA +archers for the jans
Thanks for the guide!
Btw i think imgur link doesn't work
How do you tc hop?
There is no strategy while playing with Ottomans. We only rely on military schools which is so lame and boring.
interesting. In theory, it seems very weak. It has little specific research and almost no economic advantage compared to other nations.
The economic advantage is this: you can produce a large army without spending anything on units. In other words, once the military schools are built, the only thing you theoretically need economy for is upgrades (which can be quite expensive, but you don't need very many of them - I think his relics were providing him with all of the economy that he needed). Hardly something that I'd consider weak in theory, given that the opponent is spending thousands to match the Ottoman military. Certainly appears to be strong enough in practice, given that he won with most of his economy consisting of 4 relics.
That was hell of a match
But u made a loooot of mistakes 😐
Love watching drongo play!!
I am fully believe that Ottoman isn't trash anymore. Thanks Drongo
That was absolutely absurd lol. If you hadn't lost all those vils too imagine how insane the army value would have been. I'm actually blown away lol.
Ottomans still need a buff, also he should stick to just being a commentator not a player
He is a player 1st and a commentator second.
@@jeromemartel3916 better commentator than player
And you should stick to just being a viewer and not a commenter
@@SeigmeyerFreud you should stick to being a nobody and stay quiet
Don’t agree, conq 3 in 16 games is pretty good!
Drongo’s account 土豆哥 literally means “Brother potato” lol
You know the little one is sleeping when Drongo does not blast your speakers with the intro XD
cool comeback, shit showcase of the build
gotta nerf the ottomans! how quickly the tide has turned...
you are the Sultan now
I open the exact same way but use the vil building the military school to gold after instead of rallying one out there
what the hell. how did you win this with only 10 vills in imperial XD XD
why potato bro
Let's go with 馬鈴薯哥 next time Drongo! it's a better way
i wonder what it's like vs HRE because they can cut you off of relics
Where are the buff ottoman people at?
Ottomans still needs buff. Drongo is commentor not pro player. Ottomans rely on only military schools that is so lame and boring. There is no strategy here.
@@tevfikemrebesiktepe4066 I'm pretty sure he got the idea FROM a pro player. and he got to the highest ranking there is in game.
Great video to show the power of free units, thx that you picked this close game!
Damn the turkbot got quiet with this one
What a comeback
Thank you!
Remember when Drongo hosted not one but two FFA tournaments with special rules called "Everyone Should Play Like Szalami?" Drongo is just continuing this tradition. Everyone SHOULD play like Corvinus because it's cool.
My men clear the berries so quick how did you sustain it so well xD The sheep?
Honestly this just makes me think of how age of mythology had a button to repeat the current build Que.
Before going to my main point, I want to say this- Jannissary is not a bad unit. GB is not lame.
This game is not a standard to argue that Otto Fast Imperial is a flawless strategy. It's so vulnerable. Yes, it's kinda absurd seeing you pull off with 5 vs some 50 villagers+cow economy. But at many points, the Malian player made so many mistakes. (1) He/she stopped making units (2) He/she saw you making jans and spears yet never went for archers or javelins. (3) Always brought melee units to deal with GBs. (4) never made a wall. (5) never made springalds/culvs.
I would say drongo won this with his sheer micro skill and tons of mistakes from the opponent. If these many stars have to align to win a match, no way otto gonna make the S tier.
Keep this a secret 😩😩😩😩
I do think Ottomans could use a slight adjustment, and that is removing Fast Training, the level 3 Vicier technology. Replace it with something else, as for right now every Ottoman build just feels like you wanting to go extra military school and then make them produce faster too. I think it's boring, and I think the Vicier technologies shouldn't be so entwined with one another. You will never go one without the other and that's my problem with it.
Potato bro?????
I feel sorry for all the lower level guys who will be trying this strat in anything but conq.. They will be utterly destroyed before they reach castle xD It's a fun strat, don't get me wrong, but it's a huge gamble for lower leagues where people who play against Ottoman are fed up with early rushes so they pre-emptively rush Otto themselves to get the upperhand (English/abba) and therefore this strat is useless.. unless it's high level play in conq where people usually tend to make a few units and never go an early all-in.
you speak chinese?
Now a video on how to counter it
"siege dance"
We all have AoE3 living in our heads
I need to see the timeline