What a treat to find your video! Three of my favorite gymnasts of all time, Shushunova, Silivas and Bogi!!! This was the best era of gymnastics! Artistry, excitement and drama! The current gymnastics is not nearly as exciting to me
I watched this competition million times... It is just... incredible!!! I am amazed by Elena's stability and by her uncomparable sport spirit 💖💖💖 That smile at the end when she landed her vault... It is incredible! My eyes well with tears when I look at that. WE LOVE YOU ELENA!
9:09 This back to back pass impresses me everytime. Elena tumbles into a half a twist, 1.5 flip salto in sideways straddled position landing into a rollout, and then immediately tumbles back including a knee handspring and finishing with a handspring + full. That is insane
The level of Elena Shushunova and Daniela Silivas will be hard to beat. Both were queens. That's why the severe battle in Seoul as champion of the general index that until today I don't know who was the best and if the result was fair.
Coincido. Después Silivas se llevaría tres aparatos. Para mi era ampate, me pareció mas técnico y estético en general el salto de la Silivas. La Boguínskaya, tremenda, una histórica también.
Shushunova merecía ganar no solo por lo técnico y la fuerza de sus ejecuciones ,lo del Salto Thomas ya era una chulería pero meter sencilla danza contemporánea en sus ejecuciones es digna de la medalla de oro
and to see how CLOSE the bars were still then, despite moving them a bit further apart - just imagine how much more exciting their routines woudl have been. amazing they managed to do the skills they could with them so close compared to now!
Another fantastic video! If Silivas had not shown the double double in team comps with stumble, but rather a full in clean as she showed here, she would have won, with the carry over. 10 in compulsory floor as well, I think Shush only (only!) managed 9.90. I always thought Silivas had the better line on bars, but slightly flat in her deltchev and her geinger, in comparison to Shushunova, whose releases were top drawer difficulty and with excellent amplitude, as well as her full in dismount which was much harder than the shoot front half shown by Silivas (although on this occasion, Silivas nailed the landing while Shushunova had that hop). Silivas was an absolutely wonderful gymnast, one of my favourites. Worthy European champion in 1987, when she taught everyone a lesson! Her joy and expression, musicality and dance, almost flawless technique and consistency, her originality was something special. A worthy adversary to Shushunova, and pushed her hard every step. Shushunova also was a truly special gymnast - without the typical 'grace' of the other Soviet gymnasts of her era, but supremely powerful, unbelievably able and talented vaulter, and showing original, unusual and difficult elements on all apparatus, from her tkatchev variation on the bars, to her Tong Fei arabian roll out on the floor. She also showed incredible longevity to consistently make the incredibly deep Soviet team over 4 or 5 years in the mid 1980s, no mean feat. I would have had a tie for the gold medal, honestly. Both were worthy winners, and (as with Miller and Gutsu), a case can be made for either to have won outright.
But what was Nelly Kim doing in the jury with at least 2 Soviet gymnasts in the final?! Was that fair? During the 80s and afterwards, this lady repeatedly underscored Romanian gymnasts to the benefit of Soviet and, afterwards, Russian athletes. Her contribution to Shushunova's and Soviet gold medals in Seoul - and not only - is undeniable.
This was when the Olympics was exciting. They covered multiple countries and teams, created a sense of healthy competition. Instead, now we have coverage of 4 or 5 girls. It’s boring!
Regardless who won, both are amazing gymnasts. However, I prefer Daniella Silivas. In my opinion she’s the better gymnast all around. She’s more beautiful to watch and is the first women to preform certain skills that others hadn’t been able to do in her day. Elena did a great vault tho but the score of 9.8 for Silivas is way too low.
Silivas got 9.95 on vault, which is in fact too high for her. The 9.8 was the score of one judge which was thrown out. Ironically that is more in line with what she dserves than her actual 9.95 on vault as she is not a good vaulter, her huge vault scores are by her name alone.
i couldn't agree more with what you said above - what if ... i was a budding gymnast at the time and this was the most AWESOME Olympics ever ... one got a 10, the other did, one after each other, there has never been nor will there ever be another gymnastics final like this one. Given i was a young teen, i was rooting for daniela, to me, aged 14, yelena may as ell have been in her 60s lol. Its only been since i have got a lot older that I've been able to see Yelen'a ARTISTRY on floor, as to how incredible that was. i can also say i have never sine seen anyone who comes close to teh expression she does in her optional floor routine ... not even svetlana bouganskya, and that is saying something!!!! sadly, with the change of scoring, the artistry on floor has been lost. its more about skills, which is exciting, but its also meant a huge loss in terms of how beautiful floor routines used to be...
I remember watching and rewatching this competition (i videod the whole event) was routing for Daniela to win, she did get most points on the day, but taking into account the team comp, she came 2nd... 😪
If the Romanian team were the Smurfs, Nelli Kim was Gargamel that day. And she succeeded by handing over the Gold to Shushunova. Kim’s overall scores were shamelessly low compared to other judges. Shushunova great gymnast (rip) but this day Silivas was greater. 👍🏼
As a Romanian, I think Silivas is my favourite gymnast. Not only does she perform hard skills, but she’s an awesome dancer and look at that bundle of joy. Shushunova was awesome too. We Romanians were never quite the best at the vault challenge. I love how the routines on the floor had such original choreography. They were really fun to watch.
I wonder what Shushunova said to Silivas on her way to the beam...also, the comment that judges are looking for original elements (on the beam), seems to have gone by the wayside with the new scoring system, since original elements have to go thru the competition process to be recognized.
That's not what they mean by original elements. In the code of points back in the day they had a section on originality, it was defined as such "A thing is original, if it can serve as an example without having had a model. Referring to artistic gymnastics, we speak of Originality, if new movement forms or newly styled exercise parts or connections are performed, which go beyond the frame of what is cosidered as known, traditional, or classical." and virtuosity was defined is "skillful, complete command of the technique of gymnastic elemens. Based upon this bonus points for Virtuosity will only be given, if a nearly faultless presentation would be performed." That was quoted from the 1985-88 code of points. The code also mentions that a new skill must be submitted three months before the competition or on the arrival to the competition with technical description and drawings/illustrations. The gymnast that submits it gets a .20 originator bonus until another gymnast performs said skill.
Both are lovely champions. Silivas was over scored by around 0.10 on her beam and vault routines. I believe Shushonova turned in the best all-around performances in either scenario.
I don't agree. Shushonova had too many butterfly landings where they had to wave her arms in order to stick her discount. It detracted from the overall presentation. Silivas was robbed of the gold.
@@janeswan2474 Silivas wobbled all over the place on beam which is a place she should be better than Shushunova but blew it that day, and her vault was mediocre at best. If anyone else did that same vault they get a 9.7 at best, but since it was the great Daniela Silivas it was given a 9.95, LOL!
Yo creo que conforme pasan los años más grandes nos parecen las 2. Tenían estilos muy diferentes, Shoshounova más potente, Silivas más plástica, ambas innovadoras y arriesgadas y representantes máximas de la escuela soviética y rumana...Un empate hubiera sido bonito y más justo yo creo. Ambas lo pelearon y Silivas pese a no conseguirlo ha pasado a la historia como una grande. Elena se fue demasiado pronto, hubiera estado bien reunirlas a las 2 tantos años después y que comentaran esa competición...entonces la rivalidad era máxima casi una cuestión de estado, hoy se habrían reído de eso.
Esto es Gimnasia Rítmica para 20 !!!! Aplaudo de pie a estas Montruos de la Gimnasia junto a Nadia las mejores de todos los tiempos no e visto majores que ellas.....
Освежила в памяти. Чтобы там не говорили защитники Силиваш, программа Елены намного сильнее. Оценки того времени не поощряли сложность. Сегодня бы Шушунова выиграла с большим отрывом. И это гимнастика 88го, посмотрите гимнастику лет на 5 назад, 1982 год например, ни чем не лучше олимпиады 76 года, Команечи. И как рванула сложность за последние пару лет. Сколько у Лены трудных элементов, которые и сегодня мало кто делает. На бревне прыжок Корбут с винтом, на ковре типа арабского сальто (это наши русские танцевальные элементы, поэтому не знаю как их обозвать гимнастическими словами) с сальто Томаса. Нет, нет, нет Лена лучше была. Сильнее. Даниэла была чистенькой, аккуратненькой, маленькой поэтому кажется. А про Богинскую вообще забыли. А она там на пятки всем наступала
As a Romanian, Shushunova was awesome as I see her here, but Silivas was a better dancer… Anyway, Shushunova was better on vault…that’s why she won and she deserved it. She made some small errors that could have cost her the gold…
OH MY! For some reason, I just love that shot from 13:43 where Daniela Silivas and Camelia Voinea are chatting and watching Shushunova. I'm just overjoyed! I don't know why. Hahahaha EDIT: And Gabreiela Potorac with that look. And also Shushunova and Silivas meeting each other in between their own routines almost every time. Haha
@@iliepetcan1736 Hahahahaha. I thought it was more like Voinea saying, "Should I put on my leotard again? Everyone else on the team still has theirs. But I do like wearing this blue blouse."
Nice recount... but yes, even Silivas acknowledges that it was the terrible decision by the Romanian coaches to do the double double on floor that led to the silver medal. She had never competed that element before and to throw it in team prelims in this era where all scores counted was a very bad move.
Silivas was the most technically sound and consistent, overall gymnast of her era. Her form and precision was only ever matched by Aurelia Dobre, and that was for only one competitive season. And it's true that the double-double is what likely cost her that medal. But I often think about how the Romanian coaches falsified her age for '85 Worlds. Similarly, Szabo's age had been falsified at '81 Worlds. Bothe were heavy favorites for the AA gold at their respective Olympics and subsequent World Championships. I often wonder if it was karma or if that history played a part in the judging back then.
I'm Romanian, and with all due respect to Nadia and all her contribution to the sport and fame she brought to our country...I still like watching Silivas more. Silivas loves her job, she's joyfull and every floor routine of hers is a party. Nadia is...ice cold. Silivas seems more...human.
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Such an interesting point..in those days i was an olympic weightlifter..and got the chance to meet several athletes of the eastern bloc..i remember when i asked to a bulgarian lifter why they did not celebrate their medals he answered me, its just my job..no need to emotional showing...In fact Nadia seems to got more control of his feelings...
Shushunova made more mistakes . Step on uneven bars The wobble on beam and step on dismount. Over scored, should had been 9.9, same as silivas. they both should have gotten a 10 on vault. Silivas was better By the way Mary Lou, you were over scored as well. The gold was for Zsabo. You took more steps that were not deducted. And thanks to Kim for giving Silivas a 9.8 on vault. She knew it was the only way she could beat Silivas.
I do remember this... watching as a very small child. I / we in Romania couldnt stand the Russians bcz we considered them our opressors, forcing us into communism. Now, decades later, we still cant stand them for the same reason but i found out Shoushounova passed out. A sad new , may her soul rest in peace.
Only on floor, not the other events. This situation is exactly why they eliminated carrying over the scores for the next quad. Good choice. Of course, getting rid of the 10 scoring system was an even smarter decision- opened things up and encouraged innovation.
If Silivas was to be crowned as the Olympic champion because she outscored Shushunova on the night of the all-around finals in 1988, then Szabo should likewise have been crowned the 1984 Olympic all-around champion because she outscored Retton on the night of the finals.
Elena Shoushenova was the world Champion at that point. I believe that she was 19 and Daniella Silivas was 18. Daniella obviously a protege of Bela Karolye and Rumanian . Elena was very near retirement and at worst she would only have had to contend with the 1980 Olympic Games in Moscow. Possibly at Seoul the judging panel had the addition of Nelly Kim ; a previous top scorer for the Soviet Union: There are pics of Elena and possibly her boyfriend and maybe chaperone in a major city in Russia: I hope she packed as much as she could into her criminally short life. Lo ❤️
It was called a Tong Fei, a one and three quarter Arabian roll out. It was a tumble she had used fairly consistently for about 4 years by that point. Shushunova did use a Thomas as her first tumble (and the Tong Fei second) at the 1987 Europeans, and also showed one in 1991, three years after retirement, at an invitational meet.
You’re right on both parts. She pretty much fell in optionals but in all-around finals she took a step on her bars dismount. But we all know MLR’s memory isn’t as accurate as video evidence is 😂
Both Silivas and Shushunova were deserving of the Gold. Shushunova won the Team and the AA with 2 Golds but Silivas brought home 3 Golds in the Individual Finals. They are equal.
Silivas era mais graciosa, Shoushounova implantou um estilo mais "agressivo" tava com "sangue nos olhos", com a "faca na boca". Queria ganhar e partiu pra cima. Já havia perdido o mundial e não queria perder de novo.
well- back then it was cumulative...if it was sudden death like today, neither would have watered down their routines some, and who knows what would have happened.
I wanted Daniela to win so badly. This is one of several results I wish had ended differently. 88, 92, 00, 12. Those years I wish the 2nd place winner had won, except 2000. That was a mess and Khorkina should have won.
Are we all assuming her fall on bars wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for vault? She is certainly a queen of bars, but also had the most errors on that particular event as well (perhaps due to her extreme difficulty).
@@worldartgym I think we will never know the answer to that. The whole thing was tremendously unfair. EVERY event that happened after the vault was fixed should have been redone, not just the vaults. Khorkina was there to win. Once she fell on vault, it was over and she knew it.
@@gracewithouttears3687 Zamo and Karpenko's floor falls when they were leading the AA near the end and in position to win were also partly due to the faulty and too hard floor surface which many gymnasts spoke off. Then the crazy Raducan DQ. Really the whole thing was a mess on all levels and should have been redone 3 months later or something.
This was similar to the 1984 all-around where Mary Lou opened the competition leading over Szabo, but would lose her lead over her only to grab the win with a perfect 10 vault.
I'm not sure why they awarded her vault a perfect 10, given the feet apart and small hop back she took. There were also a lot of sketchy perfect 10s in the '88 Olympics. Judging seems to have been a lot less strict back then. Even Nadia's infamous perfect 10 on the uneven bars in '76 wasn't really perfect; she, too, took a small hop/step back on her landing.
I agree with you both but I have been thinking about the idea of "Visually Perfect" vs actual Perfection in gymnastics... I think it's would be a very interesting debate with the current gymnastics climate.
Silivas did score higher during this phase of the competition, but for the final total they carried over scores from compulsories and qualifications in which Shushunova was ahead. Shushunova ended up with 79.662 and Silivas with 79.637.
I think Silivas was very lucky to get 9.90 for a very nervy beam routine. She had three obvious errors. My main issue was that she required an extra 1/4 turn after the pirouette to regain her balance. That for me is a tenth off in itself. I think a 9.80 or 9.825 for this routine would be justified.
Rest in Peace, Lena! The world will never ever forget your contributions to the gymnastics!
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I remember this. I was glued to the tv....for Daniela...but they were both brilliant. Rip Elena.
What a treat to find your video! Three of my favorite gymnasts of all time, Shushunova, Silivas and Bogi!!! This was the best era of gymnastics! Artistry, excitement and drama! The current gymnastics is not nearly as exciting to me
100%. The balletic aspect went after 1988.
Сейчас гимнастика силовая и акробатическая, девушки выглядят как грибы - боровики. Раньше были маленькие, изящные.
Silvias is so fluid and fun! Great rhythm !!
I miss this kind of gymnastics. My two all time favorites!!! Rip elana. Gone too soon!
Check out my “vintage gymnastics” playlist! You’ll love it! ❤️
I adored both of them. So much better than the podiums of 84 and 92. Elena Shushunova RIP
The best head to head ever.
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How did she die
@@kimthreadgold2755 pneumonia. To me it's unthinkable. For her sake, I wish she had left Russia.
I watched this competition million times...
It is just... incredible!!!
I am amazed by Elena's stability and by her uncomparable sport spirit 💖💖💖
That smile at the end when she landed her vault... It is incredible! My eyes well with tears when I look at that.
WE LOVE YOU ELENA!
She is my most favorite gymnasts of all times.
There can never be another.
@@Boban1611 That is so true! Elena's floor exercise at that competition is the best of the best of all times
I watched this epic battle live on a black and white television (in India)
Same.
9:09 This back to back pass impresses me everytime. Elena tumbles into a half a twist, 1.5 flip salto in sideways straddled position landing into a rollout, and then immediately tumbles back including a knee handspring and finishing with a handspring + full. That is insane
The level of Elena Shushunova and Daniela Silivas will be hard to beat. Both were queens. That's why the severe battle in Seoul as champion of the general index that until today I don't know who was the best and if the result was fair.
Legendary battle. And one of the most exciting competition ever in gymnastics
СССР делили триум 2 команды
Обе гимнастки - прекрасные королевы!
Большое спасибо за возможность оказаться в 80-х на соревнованиях великих гимнасток.
Как несправедливо рано ушла из жизни Елена Шушунова.
Epic battle. I remember it so well. My heart was with Daniela.
R.I.P. Yelena Shushunova 😢
El mejor duelo de la historia de la gimnasia!! Y el mejor podio Shushunova, Silivas y Boguinskaya.
Coincido. Después Silivas se llevaría tres aparatos. Para mi era ampate, me pareció mas técnico y estético en general el salto de la Silivas. La Boguínskaya, tremenda, una histórica también.
Shushunova merecía ganar no solo por lo técnico y la fuerza de sus ejecuciones ,lo del Salto Thomas ya era una chulería pero meter sencilla danza contemporánea en sus ejecuciones es digna de la medalla de oro
@@IvanSalcedoMx minuto 14 Silivas y su expresión facial sabe que Shushunova le ganó en el salto dejo escapar la medalla dorada
may she rest in peace
Legendele gimnasticii mondiale și olimpice. Aceste valori inestimabile nu trebuiesc uitate niciodată.
Silivas merita 20.
and to see how CLOSE the bars were still then, despite moving them a bit further apart - just imagine how much more exciting their routines woudl have been. amazing they managed to do the skills they could with them so close compared to now!
Another fantastic video!
If Silivas had not shown the double double in team comps with stumble, but rather a full in clean as she showed here, she would have won, with the carry over. 10 in compulsory floor as well, I think Shush only (only!) managed 9.90.
I always thought Silivas had the better line on bars, but slightly flat in her deltchev and her geinger, in comparison to Shushunova, whose releases were top drawer difficulty and with excellent amplitude, as well as her full in dismount which was much harder than the shoot front half shown by Silivas (although on this occasion, Silivas nailed the landing while Shushunova had that hop).
Silivas was an absolutely wonderful gymnast, one of my favourites. Worthy European champion in 1987, when she taught everyone a lesson! Her joy and expression, musicality and dance, almost flawless technique and consistency, her originality was something special. A worthy adversary to Shushunova, and pushed her hard every step.
Shushunova also was a truly special gymnast - without the typical 'grace' of the other Soviet gymnasts of her era, but supremely powerful, unbelievably able and talented vaulter, and showing original, unusual and difficult elements on all apparatus, from her tkatchev variation on the bars, to her Tong Fei arabian roll out on the floor. She also showed incredible longevity to consistently make the incredibly deep Soviet team over 4 or 5 years in the mid 1980s, no mean feat.
I would have had a tie for the gold medal, honestly. Both were worthy winners, and (as with Miller and Gutsu), a case can be made for either to have won outright.
But what was Nelly Kim doing in the jury with at least 2 Soviet gymnasts in the final?! Was that fair? During the 80s and afterwards, this lady repeatedly underscored Romanian gymnasts to the benefit of Soviet and, afterwards, Russian athletes. Her contribution to Shushunova's and Soviet gold medals in Seoul - and not only - is undeniable.
Silivas was extraterrestrial. She outclassed everyone in her generation
Truth
この時のシリバスさんの床の演技に
度肝抜かれました😊
何百回見ても、いいものは良いです!!
本当、シリバスさんが小柄な人なのが
信じられない😅
Both were great, bravo
I love this type of gymnastics. The girls today are great but I find no creativity or artistry and miss the 10s.
❤❤❤DANIELA SILIVAȘ AND ELENA SHUSHUNOVA ❤❤❤TWO GREATEST LEGENDS OF MONDIAL GYMANSTIC❤❤❤🏅🏅
This was when the Olympics was exciting. They covered multiple countries and teams, created a sense of healthy competition. Instead, now we have coverage of 4 or 5 girls. It’s boring!
And not allowing the best of the best to compete in the all around.
My kind of gymnastics, 💜SILIVAS
What a competition, RIP Elena
Regardless who won, both are amazing gymnasts. However, I prefer Daniella Silivas. In my opinion she’s the better gymnast all around. She’s more beautiful to watch and is the first women to preform certain skills that others hadn’t been able to do in her day. Elena did a great vault tho but the score of 9.8 for Silivas is way too low.
Silivas got 9.95 on vault, which is in fact too high for her. The 9.8 was the score of one judge which was thrown out. Ironically that is more in line with what she dserves than her actual 9.95 on vault as she is not a good vaulter, her huge vault scores are by her name alone.
Daniela Silivas is the best!
Every judge should have given Silivas 9.8 or lower on vault. She is a crummy vaulter, and her vault scores are entirely by her name.
i couldn't agree more with what you said above - what if ... i was a budding gymnast at the time and this was the most AWESOME Olympics ever ... one got a 10, the other did, one after each other, there has never been nor will there ever be another gymnastics final like this one. Given i was a young teen, i was rooting for daniela, to me, aged 14, yelena may as ell have been in her 60s lol. Its only been since i have got a lot older that I've been able to see Yelen'a ARTISTRY on floor, as to how incredible that was. i can also say i have never sine seen anyone who comes close to teh expression she does in her optional floor routine ... not even svetlana bouganskya, and that is saying something!!!! sadly, with the change of scoring, the artistry on floor has been lost. its more about skills, which is exciting, but its also meant a huge loss in terms of how beautiful floor routines used to be...
And do you know why they’ ve changed the scoring? I think it was for making it easier for other biotypes to win.
The Soviets always had great coreography
Ах.
Какая гимнастика. Прекрасные Елена и Даниэла
I remember watching and rewatching this competition (i videod the whole event) was routing for Daniela to win, she did get most points on the day, but taking into account the team comp, she came 2nd... 😪
Incredible gymnasts. Beautiful artistry. I have never seen those tumbling moves before. I had the rewind and watch a few times over.
Gorgeous performances back when stuck landings were crucial and so satisfying to watch. The experts.
Shushunova is beautiful girl
Daniela silivas ..la mejor de todos los tiempos !!!!
Yes!!!!
No Shushunova fue mejor
Шушунова ЧОИ.
Hombre claro,,eres rusa es normal que defiendas lo tuyo@@АлександрЗаваров-е1ы
If the Romanian team were the Smurfs, Nelli Kim was Gargamel that day. And she succeeded by handing over the Gold to Shushunova.
Kim’s overall scores were shamelessly low compared to other judges.
Shushunova great gymnast (rip) but this day Silivas was greater. 👍🏼
Giusto era troppo evidente! Silivas numero 1!!!
Assisti na época! Que duelo!
A silivas ganhou ficou em primeiro lugar?
Ps-: q batalha lendária entre as duas!!!
AS ALWAYS, AMAZING GYM ANGELS!
Recuerdo esos juegos olímpicos, época dorada, lo vi también por televisión. Las amé, gracias por este video tan hermoso.😊
As a Romanian, I think Silivas is my favourite gymnast. Not only does she perform hard skills, but she’s an awesome dancer and look at that bundle of joy. Shushunova was awesome too. We Romanians were never quite the best at the vault challenge.
I love how the routines on the floor had such original choreography. They were really fun to watch.
Gymnasts were so consistent back then that they already had edited a pick who wins each event before the event 😭😭
Consistency but also preconceived notions about who was likely to win
Как же я хотела увидеть это снова,как же я переживала за Шушунову и Богинскую🙋🏻♀️
I wonder what Shushunova said to Silivas on her way to the beam...also, the comment that judges are looking for original elements (on the beam), seems to have gone by the wayside with the new scoring system, since original elements have to go thru the competition process to be recognized.
That's not what they mean by original elements. In the code of points back in the day they had a section on originality, it was defined as such "A thing is original, if it can serve as an example without having had a model. Referring to artistic gymnastics, we speak of Originality, if new movement forms or newly styled exercise parts or connections are performed, which go beyond the frame of what is cosidered as known, traditional, or classical." and virtuosity was defined is "skillful, complete command of the technique of gymnastic elemens. Based upon this bonus points for Virtuosity will only be given, if a nearly faultless presentation would be performed." That was quoted from the 1985-88 code of points.
The code also mentions that a new skill must be submitted three months before the competition or on the arrival to the competition with technical description and drawings/illustrations. The gymnast that submits it gets a .20 originator bonus until another gymnast performs said skill.
Nice for uploading. 👍
Both are lovely champions. Silivas was over scored by around 0.10 on her beam and vault routines. I believe Shushonova turned in the best all-around performances in either scenario.
It's a win-win scenario because both are worthy queens!
w o r l d a r t g y m Yes, and we were all privileged to witness their incredible careers and contributions to the sport.
Agree. I love both their styles but I think on this particular day, Shushu had the best performance. That vault was a beauty.
I don't agree. Shushonova had too many butterfly landings where they had to wave her arms in order to stick her discount. It detracted from the overall presentation. Silivas was robbed of the gold.
@@janeswan2474 Silivas wobbled all over the place on beam which is a place she should be better than Shushunova but blew it that day, and her vault was mediocre at best. If anyone else did that same vault they get a 9.7 at best, but since it was the great Daniela Silivas it was given a 9.95, LOL!
Yo creo que conforme pasan los años más grandes nos parecen las 2. Tenían estilos muy diferentes, Shoshounova más potente, Silivas más plástica, ambas innovadoras y arriesgadas y representantes máximas de la escuela soviética y rumana...Un empate hubiera sido bonito y más justo yo creo. Ambas lo pelearon y Silivas pese a no conseguirlo ha pasado a la historia como una grande.
Elena se fue demasiado pronto, hubiera estado bien reunirlas a las 2 tantos años después y que comentaran esa competición...entonces la rivalidad era máxima casi una cuestión de estado, hoy se habrían reído de eso.
This was an amazing competition!! Also the mens all around in 88 was incredible as well. Soviet sweep...Artemov..Bilozerchev..Liukin 👍
Silivas was so awesome.
And now we know the origin of the "dab" LOL :-)
11:26 😂
The best ever...👍👏
Esto es Gimnasia Rítmica para 20 !!!! Aplaudo de pie a estas Montruos de la Gimnasia junto a Nadia las mejores de todos los tiempos no e visto majores que ellas.....
Освежила в памяти. Чтобы там не говорили защитники Силиваш, программа Елены намного сильнее. Оценки того времени не поощряли сложность. Сегодня бы Шушунова выиграла с большим отрывом. И это гимнастика 88го, посмотрите гимнастику лет на 5 назад, 1982 год например, ни чем не лучше олимпиады 76 года, Команечи. И как рванула сложность за последние пару лет. Сколько у Лены трудных элементов, которые и сегодня мало кто делает. На бревне прыжок Корбут с винтом, на ковре типа арабского сальто (это наши русские танцевальные элементы, поэтому не знаю как их обозвать гимнастическими словами) с сальто Томаса. Нет, нет, нет Лена лучше была. Сильнее. Даниэла была чистенькой, аккуратненькой, маленькой поэтому кажется. А про Богинскую вообще забыли. А она там на пятки всем наступала
Sorry. Totally disagree. I’m a die hard fan of Elena but Silivas was much better at these games.
As a Romanian, Shushunova was awesome as I see her here, but Silivas was a better dancer… Anyway, Shushunova was better on vault…that’s why she won and she deserved it. She made some small errors that could have cost her the gold…
OH MY! For some reason, I just love that shot from 13:43 where Daniela Silivas and Camelia Voinea are chatting and watching Shushunova. I'm just overjoyed! I don't know why. Hahahaha
EDIT: And Gabreiela Potorac with that look. And also Shushunova and Silivas meeting each other in between their own routines almost every time. Haha
She said to Silivaș maybe She will fall stau calm
@@iliepetcan1736 Hahahahaha. I thought it was more like Voinea saying, "Should I put on my leotard again? Everyone else on the team still has theirs. But I do like wearing this blue blouse."
Nice recount... but yes, even Silivas acknowledges that it was the terrible decision by the Romanian coaches to do the double double on floor that led to the silver medal. She had never competed that element before and to throw it in team prelims in this era where all scores counted was a very bad move.
@@nabojsa She could have done it in Finals. I'm sure she probably would have AA gold than the FX one, and probably would have won FX anyway.
Silivas was the most technically sound and consistent, overall gymnast of her era. Her form and precision was only ever matched by Aurelia Dobre, and that was for only one competitive season. And it's true that the double-double is what likely cost her that medal. But I often think about how the Romanian coaches falsified her age for '85 Worlds. Similarly, Szabo's age had been falsified at '81 Worlds. Bothe were heavy favorites for the AA gold at their respective Olympics and subsequent World Championships. I often wonder if it was karma or if that history played a part in the judging back then.
Those commentators were rooting for Silivas which is bad! Elena won! The commentators served them right!
Shushunova's FX is such an underrated work of art! 💗
She got a 10 what else do you want? 😂😂
@@chitownlokito where did I imply I'm lacking for anything? 🤔 UA-cam comments are meant for comments.
Best vs ever! Never sawn again.
I'm Romanian, and with all due respect to Nadia and all her contribution to the sport and fame she brought to our country...I still like watching Silivas more. Silivas loves her job, she's joyfull and every floor routine of hers is a party. Nadia is...ice cold. Silivas seems more...human.
Such an interesting point..in those days i was an olympic weightlifter..and got the chance to meet several athletes of the eastern bloc..i remember when i asked to a bulgarian lifter why they did not celebrate their medals he answered me, its just my job..no need to emotional showing...In fact Nadia seems to got more control of his feelings...
Silivas is my all time favorite. Even over simone. She was just amazing
Shushunova made more mistakes . Step on uneven bars The wobble on beam and step on dismount. Over scored, should had been 9.9, same as silivas.
they both should have gotten a 10 on vault. Silivas was better
By the way Mary Lou, you were over scored as well. The gold was for Zsabo. You took more steps that were not deducted.
And thanks to Kim for giving Silivas a 9.8 on vault. She knew it was the only way she could beat Silivas.
It Was A Great Battle! Between These Two Gymnasts! Daniela Silivas Vault! Was Not That Great!
You are an idiot who deserves to be shot dead for saying something so stupid as Silivas deserving a 10 on vault.
RIP Shushunova
Elena shushunova beautiful girl..
Both were great! Shoushunova was strong, stable, while Silivas was so innovative and artistic and flexible! They should have tied the gold!
Вся страна болела за Леночку!
The Best Battle At The 1988 Olympic Gymnastics! Daneilla Versus Elena! R.I.P. Elena🙌 The Queen Of 1988!
Shushunova did deserve the gold medal! She is an All-around Olympic Champion forever!! She made history!!!
Rip. Hard to believe she passed so young 😥
Silivas was by far better and most elegant!
Y Sushu mucha potencia y drama, hermosa@@pantacruel2
I do remember this... watching as a very small child. I / we in Romania couldnt stand the Russians bcz we considered them our opressors, forcing us into communism. Now, decades later, we still cant stand them for the same reason but i found out Shoushounova passed out. A sad new , may her soul rest in peace.
Back in the days when gimnastic was graceful and elegant. R. I. P. Elena. Never anyone like you❤❤❤❤❤
I thought Silivas deserved the gold. She was totally out of this world when she competed. Just beautiful to watch.
And with today's rules, Sushounova's incredible degree of difficulty would have given her a much more marked victory.
her beam was a 9.700 at max
Only on floor, not the other events. This situation is exactly why they eliminated carrying over the scores for the next quad. Good choice. Of course, getting rid of the 10 scoring system was an even smarter decision- opened things up and encouraged innovation.
@@saragrant9749 innovation? This era was much more innovative.
@@saragrant9749 innovation? 😂 all routines are the same nowadays!
If Silivas was to be crowned as the Olympic champion because she outscored Shushunova on the night of the all-around finals in 1988, then Szabo should likewise have been crowned the 1984 Olympic all-around champion because she outscored Retton on the night of the finals.
Grande 👍 condivido 👏👏👏
Yup. They faltered when it counted. Szabo on bars, Salivas on floor.
Elena Shoushenova was the world
Champion at that point. I believe that she was 19 and Daniella Silivas was 18. Daniella obviously a protege of Bela Karolye and Rumanian . Elena was very near retirement and at worst she would only have had to contend with the 1980 Olympic Games in Moscow. Possibly at Seoul the judging panel had the addition of Nelly Kim ; a previous top scorer for the Soviet Union:
There are pics of Elena and possibly her boyfriend and maybe chaperone in a major city in Russia: I hope she packed as much as she could into her criminally short life. Lo ❤️
Superba❤ Daniela Silivas❤ Fenomenala!❤ Bravisima!❤Felicitari!❤
Did Shushunova perform a sort of THomas salto at 9.15 Min?!
It was called a Tong Fei, a one and three quarter Arabian roll out. It was a tumble she had used fairly consistently for about 4 years by that point. Shushunova
did use a Thomas as her first tumble (and the Tong Fei second) at the 1987 Europeans, and also showed one in 1991, three years after retirement, at an invitational meet.
She's lucky she never landed wrong on her neck like Elena Muckhina did that paralyzed her for her short life.
when Mary Lou says that's how she won in 84- Szabo took a step, ah- no, Szabo nearly fell- landed on knees with both hands down- a 0.4 deduction
You’re right on both parts. She pretty much fell in optionals but in all-around finals she took a step on her bars dismount. But we all know MLR’s memory isn’t as accurate as video evidence is 😂
Tumbling is incredible but WOW those beautiful strength moves…..
Un espectáculo total grandes gimnastas Silivas de mis favoritas❤
9:56 the moment you’re waiting for
Both Silivas and Shushunova were deserving of the Gold. Shushunova won the Team and the AA with 2 Golds but Silivas brought home 3 Golds in the Individual Finals. They are equal.
Nellie!
We can all agree that shushunova deserved. Way more risky and difficult than silivas
Silivas had balance checks on the beam.
Silivas era mais graciosa, Shoushounova implantou um estilo mais "agressivo" tava com "sangue nos olhos", com a "faca na boca". Queria ganhar e partiu pra cima. Já havia perdido o mundial e não queria perder de novo.
But she is dead now
Sim. Faleceu por complicações decorrentes de uma pneumonia.
Silivas domino el aparato de Russia y Shushunova domino la viga
@@كنمعالله-ز5طMas será sempre a campeã do individual geral.
well- back then it was cumulative...if it was sudden death like today, neither would have watered down their routines some, and who knows what would have happened.
Genial Silivas..
Me gustaba mucho ese tipo de gimnasia olímpica más gracia, más ballet 🩰 pero sin dejar de ser espectacular.
Silivas's floor is SO 80s!
Silivas❤
Both great gymnasts. RIP YELENA :(
Duas grandes Ginstas
Shushunova gano esta medalla, pero Silivas se
metió en todos los podios de la competencia, se llevó tres oros un bronce y la plata del all around
Y plata por equipos
Светлая память
I wanted Daniela to win so badly. This is one of several results I wish had ended differently. 88, 92, 00, 12. Those years I wish the 2nd place winner had won, except 2000. That was a mess and Khorkina should have won.
Are we all assuming her fall on bars wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for vault? She is certainly a queen of bars, but also had the most errors on that particular event as well (perhaps due to her extreme difficulty).
@@worldartgym I think we will never know the answer to that. The whole thing was tremendously unfair. EVERY event that happened after the vault was fixed should have been redone, not just the vaults. Khorkina was there to win. Once she fell on vault, it was over and she knew it.
@@gracewithouttears3687 you’re right! We’ll never know... the event should have been started over from scratch to allow for an equal playing field.
@@worldartgym yes exactly! It should have started over for that idiotic mistake. I'm still annoyed and it was 20 years ago.
@@gracewithouttears3687 Zamo and Karpenko's floor falls when they were leading the AA near the end and in position to win were also partly due to the faulty and too hard floor surface which many gymnasts spoke off. Then the crazy Raducan DQ. Really the whole thing was a mess on all levels and should have been redone 3 months later or something.
Desde niña supe que ganaria Elena. Muy merecido 🙌
Tare Silivas 👏🏽👏🏽
Don't tell us the result in the headline before we've had time to watch.
This was similar to the 1984 all-around where Mary Lou opened the competition leading over Szabo, but would lose her lead over her only to grab the win with a perfect 10 vault.
I'm not sure why they awarded her vault a perfect 10, given the feet apart and small hop back she took. There were also a lot of sketchy perfect 10s in the '88 Olympics. Judging seems to have been a lot less strict back then. Even Nadia's infamous perfect 10 on the uneven bars in '76 wasn't really perfect; she, too, took a small hop/step back on her landing.
I agree with you both but I have been thinking about the idea of "Visually Perfect" vs actual Perfection in gymnastics... I think it's would be a very interesting debate with the current gymnastics climate.
Fantásticas ambas
What rule exactly sais 39.85 < 39.825 ? I still don't get it... :(
Yes, good observation!
Silivas did score higher during this phase of the competition, but for the final total they carried over scores from compulsories and qualifications in which Shushunova was ahead. Shushunova ended up with 79.662 and Silivas with 79.637.
Shushunova deserved the win.
I agree with you Juarez
😅😅😅
I'm still sad for Komova in 2012 😔
Silivas for sure
I think Silivas was very lucky to get 9.90 for a very nervy beam routine. She had three obvious errors. My main issue was that she required an extra 1/4 turn after the pirouette to regain her balance. That for me is a tenth off in itself. I think a 9.80 or 9.825 for this routine would be justified.
Silivas the best!🇦🇩🇦🇩🇦🇩