I think anyone who has knowledge with the LA crack epidemic of the 1990s will understand Sweet. Yeah, he's a dangerous criminal and not a guy that you would actually want to meet, but you get the impression that he cares for his community in his own way. Everything he does he does for his brothers. He's actually a lot like Don Vito Corleone in a way. He too didn't want drugs on his streets and that attitude ended up costing him.
I do understand where he's coming from, but the problem is that he does very little to ameliorate that and just decides to let it blow over. Plus he never takes full responsibility for his own mistakes since he's the gang's leader.
Sure thing! It's not like we are saying that being against drugs is a bad thing. Even Vito Corleone did the right thing as you mentioned. But as waters228 91 smartly noticed, the problem is doing nothing to grow influence, to find other ways to make money. Why Sweet couldn't be like Michael Corleone that said no to drugs but decided to invest in Moe Greene's casino.. This is the real issue 🙁
What you have to understand Sweet followed the rules of the Families from the early days in the late 60s early 70s. Once he took over in the 80s, shit started to change. The Ballas got stronger in the 80s once they started pushing weight. Sweet didn't have control, because once the hood split it started the set trippin in Los Santos. This is what happened in LA, with the Crips and some Bloods sets. Many Crips started killing each other in the 80s over drugs.
He has the hood broke and down. Should’ve told his members to sell it don’t use it. Instead he’d rather the homies be broke with no ideas for how to get ends meats. That’s why they lost.
Sweet was absolute 100% right about drugs being bad for the gang, for many people drugs is really tempting and addictive. If you don't take out street dealers you will find your homies sitting in front of houses high af and you won't be able to recruit them Aside from that your absolutely right, he did practically nothing for 'the good of the hood' instead CJ has to do his job while his older brother the supposed leader is almost constantly bitchin and complaining to CJ.
@Hello World he's not responsible. Let's not pretend like he wasn't getting duped while 2 other leaders were bringing drugs in and working with Ballas and CRASH. It's their fault. He couldve done better. But let's be honest, no one in the 80s was expecting the crack epidemic. So it's not like he could've seen it getting as bad as it did and been able to actually stop it without dropping a bunch of bodies like how CJ did.
@@gaminginvestigators Weed is often an exception. The crack epidemic was just beginning in the San Andreas timeline. There were crack babies, people becoming unable to keep a job, and overall destroying their lives.
Sweet was unwilling to take any action to fix things. For five years he just let things fall apart, and then when CJ came back to town after their mom was killed, all he did was blame CJ. Did Sweet try to re-arm the gang’s arsenal after the police raid confiscated everything? No, that was CJ! He let CJ do all the grunt work in taking over territory. Sweet also disrespected Caesar despite the fact that it took Caesar to show CJ that Smoke and Ryder were traitors. Sweet led his soldiers into battle and got them killed. After getting out of prison, he tries to start using drugs, after all that static he gave CJ about “forsaking his roots in the hood”. Then he tried to shut CJ out of helping lockdown the neighborhood during the riots. He shouldn’t be the leader in that gang.
Man I never though about it like that. So many years gta SA has been so popular cause of the story. CJ brought in dough through legtitamate means. Now that I think about it. With all the stuff GSF like extortion, racketeering, car theft, home invasion. Granted you as the player can choose to do that. CJ did a lot whether he was washing all of GSF money or not. And he still gets flack when he tries showing a better way of life to the rest of his gang.
I guess you could say that Sweet shitting on CJ for not putting in any work for the hood is him trying to cover up his own hypocrisy for not taken responsibility for his own actions to better the hood.
What really annoys me around the end of the game, is that Cj doesn't have the balls to call out sweet on his bullshit and just stands there having sweet blaming him, unfairly for some matters. Cj doesn't stand up for what he's done and let's sweet have it his way, even though his way has fucked things over to begin with. Sweet doesn't acknowledge what Cj has been through to get him out of jail. If I was Cj I'd be like:Do you know what I did to get you out? And then Cj would mention some major missions of the storyline. But no Cj let's sweet get away with that.
And real life context: This was Los Angeles during the crack epidemic. In real life crack was destroying Black communities in Los Angeles, so in the fictional location Los Santos Sweet doesn’t want to continue destroying his community or any community by slanging yay
Your analysis on gang territory distribution is really inspiring, never thought of that before; while Ballas and Vagos subdivisions stick close to each other, GSF subdivisions are really far apart from each other, which is a big disadvantage to a street gang. And as for the answer to the title, I think Hugo One’s video: “Sweet from San Andreas is garbage” resonates with this video pretty well lol
Grove St Families was never split from the other sets though. GSF had Idlewood, Willowfield, and Seville. The slowly lost all that turf once the Ballas took over in the 80s.
A video on Sweet's nature would be appreciable. It's my point of view 👇 Sweet accused Carl responsible for Brian's death. What do you expect from a gang shootout ? There is a very high chance of death so why Carl was completely responsible for his death ?? Sweet forces to everybody to follow his orders whether one likes or not. A clear example is Kendl's response in mission Ceaser Vialpando. His conservative mindset : Born and Die in the same hood. He couldn't see Carl and Kendl making for themselves in San Fierro and Las Venturas. We can notice this when he gets released from prison. Sweet ; highly ungrateful man. He denied all Carl's efforts which he made to get him out.
I can't even imagine cj taking sweet to Las Venturas or San fierro.. or probably the idea of cj hiring several gsf members as security or any other jobs at the chop shop or casino. Gsf members getting employed at the casino would have probably strengthened the alliance between the gsf and woozie's triads
@@kaneashleycenas1808 Sweet has no choice other than his gang because out of the gang and the hood, he is more or less useless. Look at the mission, "Sweet's Girl" And as I told in my other comment on this video - Sweet didn't do what he should've done for the gang. It is Ryder who arranged munitions for the GSF boys. He is jealous and resentful at his own sublings running businesses because of his conservative narrow mind : Die in the same hood starving. Leaving hood for better life is a gesture of betrayal.
I personally never liked Sweet, because he always kept on complaiang that CJ never does anything for the hood, while he suffered the most for the hood, while Sweet was sitting at home watching the shopping channel. I would not call him a leader, if anybody, then CJ would deserve to be the leader.
All of this information makes me wonder... Why was it significant enough to have Big Smoke in the mission "Nines and AKs" say that one line while you're driving to Emmet's place? "Seville wrongs Temple, Temple wrongs Grove. Bad blood leads to bad blood." Taking that quote at face value could mean that there was beef between those 2 factions first and then that spilled over into Grove Street. Then Sweet, being like he always is and just waiting for everything to calm down instead of doing something about it first, doesn't solve any problems between them and just lets them break up into their own separate places. During the mission, "Reuniting the Families," all 3 green gangs were supposed to have a truce between them so something good WAS supposed to happen for Grove Street. But then it got ruined with the SWAT raid. I never knew that there was this much thought put into the plot, but I love how detailed the story is in this game.
You're absolutely right, my man. Just like we said in the video, the distance between the factions wasn't really an ally to them. It was harder to discuss certain issues or make deals and so on, which in the end led to some misunderstandings. It's true that GTA storylines tend to surprise many of us and we are sure there will be more of those occasions.
I feel the lost of Brian, Beverly's death and CJ running away really broke Sweet, even though he acts all tough throughout the game, he probably doesn't want to keep going anymore, dedicating all of his remaining will to the gang, but CJ was able to give him a reason to fight once more, which is represented the best in the Beat Up in B Dup mission, where CJ quite literally saves him from giving in to the very thing he hated the most. Sweet would have been dead as hell if CJ didn't come back.
Well, we always feel sorry for Sweet that he had to go through so many painful experiences. However, he is a gang leader, he is supposed to be strong, thinking about the organization and not just letting himself go because of what happened to his family 😉
I agree with the thing Sweet was responsible for the saperation of two groups from the gang. It's It's because of his dominating nature and conservative mindset. He always wanted to persuade his prospective and orders on the gang members below him. He acts like only he owns everybody. Ryder (probably) told Carl that families accused each other wrong that's why they got saperated. And the drugs thing ?? I think Sweet is right against pushing, but on other side he could not make much progress with the gamg. He is not a good leader. He is incapable and Incompetent.
And sweet probably did not want gsf members leaving the hood for a better life in San fierro and Las Venturas such as his refusal to accept the fact that cj is owning businesses in both cities
@@muhammadanass7235 and like big smoke, not all gsf members are agreeing with sweet's ideology against drugs. The gsf members who are agreeing with big smoke's proposal to spread drugs are probably asking big smoke to convince sweet to go into the drug business..
Well, Sweet was right about the drugs but it didn't change the fact that his leadership was poor. Looking back, it makes a lot of sense on why he kept giving CJ a hard time so much. Sweet let the crew fall apart by not having no backup plan, when it came to the drugs and he was just waiting for a miracle to happen. That's when CJ came in. Sweet gave CJ a hard time about running away and used his guilt into cleaning up the hood and fixing things on his behalf. CJ was unsure whether he wanted to stay in Los Santos or not but his loyalty was to Sweet and the only way to win his respect was rejoining the GS.
That's exactly our point! This dude was so pissed off at CJ that he was absent, yet he did nothing to maintain influence, saying only "drugs are bad". It's ridiculous 😂
Well the new update with the agency missions when you're getting Dr Dre's phone ballas n grove collab for abit to shoot out the vagos so dunno what happens there could be a beef squash or a one time🤷 thing
Temple Drive Families are the most savage set between the families...they are the only set that held it down after the split and fall of the families...
This game will soon turn 20 and it is still heavily talked with hundreds of thousands of views online. A testament of its greatness. Amazing content btw!
It's an awesome game, I remember playing it as a kid with my cousins, way too young but they didn't speak english so no one really cared about the swearing lool just hung around the beach killing old ladies
I still can't believe the massive disappointment that gta 5 story line was, splitting the story between 3 characters means that none of their stories could be developed properly,I wanted more gang related activities like in gta sanandreas
I really want to know how Brian died. And how did CJ have something to do with it? Did CJ accidently shoot him while trying to shoot an rival gang member? Did CJ watched someone else kill his brother and did nothing about it? What was it?
You guys have to understand, when Grove Street Families started back in the late 60s they were the strongest gang. When I say strongest they had Ganton, Idlewood, Willowfield, Playa De Seville, and Temple. The Ballas only had Jefferson and Glen Park. Whoever started the Families in the beginning had control, until Sweet took over in the 80s. Ballas got stronger during the 80s with crack epidemic. They were the only ones pushing weight. They took over East Los from the LSV gang. Ballas also took over the projects in Idlewood and Willowfield. This weakend the Grove Street Families completely. Seville Blvd didn't like what Sweet was doing so they split the same with Temple Drive.
Certainly, we understand your point that GSF could be the strongest gang out there in LS. However, we are wondering how you know when exactly Grove Street Families started or when Sweet became the leader unless it is stated somewhere in the game. Moreover, how do you know what territories each family had except the obvious ones, that is Ganton, Temple, Playa del Seville? 🤔
@@gaminginvestigators because they basing the Families and Ballas on the Crips and Bloods. One started in the late 1960s and the other in the early 1970s. If you look in certain missions you can tell the Families use to run certain cities in the past. The way Sweet explains how the Grove ain't big like they once we're. When you take Idlewood from the Ballas he says Idlewood is back ours. Plus Emmit is from Seville Blvd but he hangs out in Willowfield, that should be a hint Seville use to control Willowfield as well. Just like in real life Los Angeles many smaller gangs got powerful in the 80s because they started pushing weight. Many Ballas started taking over former Families turf. Either former GSF members died, turned in crack heads, or flipped to Ballas because of the income. If Sweet was the founder of the Grove Street Families he would of been a way older dude than what Sweet looks in the game. CJ is barely in his 20s. Sweet has to be in his early 30s. Like I said why you think they never mention that Sweet is the founder of the Families. There has to be a founder, either he died in the streets and Sweet took over. Just like Sweet states there not big like before, because who ever started the gang had power until Sweet took over in the late 80s. You have to understand what I say. They basing the Families vs Ballas to the Crips vs Bloods.
@@southsidecompton9668 Well, the fact that something is inspired by something else doesn't mean they are the same in terms of every little detail 😉 To go even further, they pretty much can't be since it would be plagiarism of some sort. That's actually our whole point here - we don't know when GSF was formed. Funny enough, we managed to check some sources and on the official website of GTA SA (status unavailable, but here's how it looked like -> classicgtasites.com/sanandreas/), it is said that the Ballas were in Los Santos since the 1970s, so this confirms your information. However, when it comes to Grove Street Families, there's no information about this gang. Frankly speaking, we are not disagreeing with you that GSF used to be bigger or something. The thing is we don't have anything stating that this part of town belonged to them throughout the last 5 years. You are mentioning taking territories in missions, but remember that we are talking about the breakdown that happened from 1987-1992. We are not talking about what happened before 1987 in this video. And yes, we know that Emmet is working in Willowfield, but does it mean SVF used to have this territory in 1987-1992? Not necessarily. That's why we mentioned only the obvious areas. And finally, this whole story is based on real events, but again, we don't know since when Sweet is the leader of GSF, there's no mention of that in the game or other game sources.
@@gaminginvestigators Are you saying it's impossible for these gangs to be based on the Bloods and Crips because of plagiarism??? Because when it comes to gang banging there is no actual legit form of plagiarism. People use their flags, colors, slang, symbols, graffiti and hand signs in movies, music videos, social media, music etc. Gang culture has become a big part of media and pop culture and it's history is not necessarily something you can go down and get copyrighted. So no, it's not impossible and the person you responded to made very valid points in terms of how that inspiration most likely manifested. The repercussions aren't through some large court case or settlement when it comes to plagiarism or false claiming. They are in the streets. If you aren't respected, connected or actually bang and then you use their set, your going to have REAL problems on your hands when you actually are checked about it. But a large video game like this ?? I highly doubt the bloods and crips filed a motion to stop them from using their history as inspiration. This is a game about LA banging. There's no way that they didn't take any inspiration from the sets and gang culture that was created and exists here because they were afraid of plagiarizing. Movies like South Central and Boyz in tha hood definitely took inspiration from LA gang culture and that was allowed to happen so i'm confused on this take.
Its not like drugs was the only way to make money fast, CJ could have observed the Leone mob when he was working for them and tried things like the protection scheme. Or set up legitimate businesses like bars, barbershops tatoo parlors and auto repair shops. All funneling the money to the guys at the top The Johnson Family. Then it could be redistributed in the form of guns, ammo and payment. Grove Street could have been a proper legit organized crime syndicate given CJ's massive amount of wealth he attained throughout the game if only Sweet wasn't so closed off and narrow minded.
@@99mrpogi Yeah create employment for his fellow Grove Brethren I love it. He could even repair the airstrip he owns in Bone County and use it for illegal import and exportation of firearms.
@@joelgittens6857 and CJ could buy weapons from Phil Cassidy.. imagine if it turned out that cj actually met Phil Cassidy during CJ's stay in liberty city..
I think as bad as it sounds sweet not wanting to get involved in drugs is what split the families all those members seeing how fast money could come in by selling drugs influenced people
And there's probably a sub faction of the gsf who wants to follow big smoke's desire to spread drugs while another sub faction is into sweet's ideology to protect their communities
Fr, I appreciate him not wanting people to get strung up on hard drugs, but it's incredibly stupid to not sell drugs in a gang! One of the fastest and best paying ways to earn cash, they probably could've gone into arms dealing idk 🤔
Please publish more in depth analysis of GTA SA plotline. I'm loving the experience of watching one of my childhood nostalgia through a more mature, critical lense.
It's a very unpopular opinion I'm gonna give here but Big Smoke was right in wanting to sell drugs, Sweet was trying to be the good guy in a bad guy game. He was the responsible for GSF downfall before CJ came back
Agreed, they could've at least sold guns (I don't remember if they actually did in game) to make more money, or gotten more into the robbery or the counterfeit cash game
The problem with drugs is it destroys communities. The only people winning are the people selling the stuff, but sweet seemed to care more about community rather than making large amounts of money like Big Smoke. Now imagine selling drugs and trying to raise a family in the same community you’re poisoning. Hell, even members Grove Street eventually suffered from the poison of drugs when sweet was locked up and CJ was trying to get him out. Honestly, sweet was a bad leader in my opinion.
The Families were originally extremely strong before all the sets split and Ballas gained influence and overtook them as the cities biggest gang. They even also owned Willowfield, Lower East Los Santos, Idlewood, etc... One cool little hidden detail is you can still find various Families tags in the Ballas hoods that once belonged to the Families as well as details in conversation of the history of the area pre-1992. Originally, there were only 2 Ballas sets: The Rollin' Heights in Jefferson and the Kilo Tray in Glen Park. The Front Yard were formed in Idlewood once the drug trade began to rise and they quickly became the largest set taking over Grove Streets territories around Ganton. The Temple Drive Ballas came to fruition as a subdivision in Verona Beach and Vinewood to surround and start moving in on the Temple Drive Families turf. The Kilo Tray Ballas even setup a secondary base of operations in the Seville Boulevard Families former turf down in Willowfield and Ocean Docks. They pretty much had the entire gangland on lock by the time CJ returned smh
Well yeah, the greens' gang was one of the biggest in Los Santos during their great times. However, at some point, they were losing more and more influence. As for the Ballas sets, we don't know too much about their origins. There's even not much information on the official website... So we can't say which Balla set was the first or second :/ We do see your approach there, but it's more of an assumption rather than a fact. We do agree with your thinking in terms of how other Balla sets were found, but we can't agree that there were 2 sets originally because there are no arguments for that, unless you could find something in the game. Thanks for sharing your reflections!
@@gaminginvestigators I got the info as a combination from the wiki, paying close attention the the games lore in conversation, GTA RP, and exploring and coming up with my own conclusions, etc... So partly facts and assumptions mostly. I do know though that Idlewood, Willowfield, and Lower East Los Santos were originally Families territory though pre 1992. Also is you look at the shades of gang territory on the map, you can also see how dark each shade of the gangs color in each neighborhood on the map which represents their influence. The Ballas were the strongest in Jefferson and Glen Park plus there's no history or traces of the Grove St. or any other gangs involvement in those areas too. I think it said in the wiki that the "Rollin' Heights Ballas" were the original set and that's where most of their "OG's" are located.
Personally, we wouldn't recommend taking everything that is written on GTA Wiki for granted 😉 Although the website itself presents a good level, there are many cases of bringing up something completely out of place and reason or without evidence. That's why you should verify the information there, a little advice 🙂
I hated Sweet when he got on CJ for trying to leave the hood. It’s sad that he’s still stuck in the hood mindset while CJ saw life more than the hood. I respect his way of thinking but it doesn’t mean he’s right.
Facts. It irked me how at the end of the game CJ was established and damn near rich as hell away from the hood and Sweet still wants him to be connected all the way There’s more to life and Sweet never wanted to understand that
It is all about expanding horizons.. We fully understand that Sweet wants CJ to "not forget about the hood", but what if we expand "the hood" to a much bigger area than just ghettos. 🙂
@@gaminginvestigators yeah.. like CJ could have provided legitimate jobs to the other gsf members by employing them as security guards in his garage in San fierro, the airstrip outside Las Venturas and as well as the casino. In addition to employing them as security, cj could also employ them as mechanics for his garage, pilots for his airstrip and card dealers in his casino.
If I may make a suggestion for a future video, could you explain the meaning behind the Green Sabre? Why did Smoke and Ryder choose that particular car to try and kill Sweet? Why were they planning to use it again later on, presumably to try and kill him again? After all, if Smoke just wanted Sweet dead, he could have just waited until they were sharing some beers one night and then reached for his gun. I just find the whole thing rather poorly laid out in game. I almost get the whiff of more cut content.
Most likely it's to go incognito in a rivals hood basically false flag operation so nobody but the ones involved know it's a hit and to split the grove even further apart
@@alphaife5008 I know about the different Universe Concept from Rockstar,it's still Dumb and plus GTA Online also contradicts it by referencing said events,Like Franklin and Lamar talking about A weed farm being destroyed in San fierro(which happened in gta san andreas story)
I've always hated Sweet for his incompetence and pathetic mindset. Now, thank you for hating him even more lol. Of course I love his intentions, but his actions are just unbearably painful to see. He keeps on yapping about getting the 'hood back together and keeping them tight, but he barely does anything that helps in doing those things. CJ also has his flaws, but, at least, he's more competent and has an open mindset in one form or another.
Exactly! We all know that he wants everything good for his gang, but he doesn't take any actions at all! That's why he is a pain in the ass for us among other things 😒
This is why i hate how they separate SA and GTA5 its literally like 20 years later would've been cool to know the true story about what happen not like it had anything to do with the story
The games are in different universes and are not related, and are more aquin to parallel universes. Rockstar had no intend of making the stories related, as GTA IV is not related to GTA III
I think Sweet was thinking about the kids and the regular people on the hood, not the OG gang members when he said that he doesn't wanted drugs on the hood
Sweet is a relic of another generation with different values, but it seems most people can't get it - as greed always takes over, least in Western society. Besides he wasn't the only one against drug trafficing, Cesar and Woozy were also against it. Toreno? Him, his agency, and obviously the government don't care.
The thing about woozie though was they found other ways of making money if you aren’t going to provide other ways for your followers to eat they are eventually gonna find their own ways its a survival instinct
@@koldmafia9392 exactly Woozie made money by other means like the betting shop or the casino Sweet on the other hand doesn’t make money by any means so his gang became week
For me Sweet do nothing for his hood . Always complaining about CJ runaway from the hood . But when CJ return , all by his self what he do is make a reunited families , became stronger . And Sweet what he do ? Nothing . He just a shit when CJ not with him . But CJ ? He down for the hood by his self , alone . And what Sweet don't know one thing is , CJ is the man who take Sweet out from prison , and he do so many task will ruin his life . But he still do that because he just wanted to free Sweet from prison . And he still complaining about CJ ? The real reason why GSF collapsed ? Is because Sweet do nothing about his hood . If you give a reason that CJ runaway from the hood for 5 years , and you see how powerless Sweet and don't knoe how to take care his hood by him self . But when CJ returned , the hood become stronger . Because , CJ down for his hood and show his loyalty and get respect from the hood by him self and he do that . He do that alone . Not with Sweet . Even in final mission , you need to take down another families hood to find Smoke , and still , CJ do that alone . So where the fck Sweet ? Always complaining about CJ meanwhile he done nothing for take good care his families hood .
@@gaminginvestigators but I think sweet's desire to assist cj in confronting big smoke is probably sweet's attempt to redeem himself in the not so good things that he did to Cj. Though I believe sweet still did cj a favor when sweet drove the feltzer while cj shoots at the gang members chasing them
Sweet wanted to keep the community as whole clean. He may have been the leader of a Felonious gang but he was also a benevolent one. Look at Don corleone for example he didn't want to get into the drug business either
Sure thing, but he was against drugs at the same time while bearing in mind Ryder and a few other OGs are using PCP, which is a hard drug after all? It sounds quite hypocritical to us :/
I can't believe a gangster and killer like Sweet has principles and refuses to deal in drugs while the script writers in this video blame him for refusing to Life is full of surprises 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just shows that not all street gangs are always into dealing drugs in a particular area which sometimes places them into conflict with each other... It's sometimes all about ideologies and principles
@@99mrpogi And that once they betray their principles, they turn into their rivals they hate so much. The entire GTA lore basically tells a story about criminal organisations corrupting eventually, or being pushed out of the bussiness by their rivals - GTA 4 is a great example, the italian mafia diyng, the Irish mafia done, the Damned ending themselves with their actions...
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 yes. And don't forget that part of the plots of GTA games are about the protagonists being betrayed by their allies and friends
Because street gangs are nothing like Organized Crime syndicates, and the realism brought by GTA V intended to illustrate that. When Lamar and Franklin talk on this subject, it is said that most of Grove Ogs died and the ones who were left got rich and eventually went away. Possibly CJ got more and more involved with big business and white colar crimes. Sweet was possibly alone dealing with a whole new generation of hoodlums who didn't acknowleged him or any of the old shcool sutff. Sweet was either killed; forced to leave the hood himself or he simply got tired of the hardship in the hood after living the good life CJ had brought them. Eventually the gang that took control of Grove St. was more aligned with the Ballas than with The Families itself.
Sweet represented the late 70s style of gang banger, they should really make a another GTA in Los Santos in the late 70s-early/mid 80s, the style, guns, gangs, drugs, by the epilogue would rule the streets
I'm guessing that the temple drive and Seville boulevard families are the only sets that agreed to big smoke's proposal to sell drugs where as the main gsf set preferred to follow Sweet's anti drugs ideologies
Actually Sweet allowed some drug to be distributed such as marijuana and PCP like Ryder uses and even some GSF member I believe also smoking marijuana; though he seems kinda dislike it. But cocaine is really strong drug and he didn't wanted this drug ruined his gang.
Everyone could grow grass those days - hell it's one of the things behind the hippie period - and why you are getting your grass from the Truth, so Sweet obviously grew up in such environment. Yes, he didn't like it - as we learn from the lore, it's how his mother taught him and CJ. Anyway the point is when everyone can grow or buy weed Sweet can basically do nothing to stop his homies from smoking it - it would be the same if he tried to prevent them from drinking, pointless.
in my View. Former Neighbourhoods like Willowfield are lost to the Ballas. We know from the bigger Black Graffitis around that area that they once belonged to the Families. Idlewood has the graffitis too especially in the Skate Park. CJ is aware that idlewood is Ballas Territory. They have lost it probably prior to 87. Ryder wants his Graffitis at the pizza Restaurant which is in Idlewood and the first Graffiti Mission starts in Idlewood. So there is still a annexation even though very passive. Till the End of the Story where you actually have to fight it back. When it comes to Willowfield. There are the big black grove graffities all over the place. It was once a Grove Territory. The Vagos say to CJ "go back to willowfield Ese" "i smoked your camaradas in east los" and the Aztecas say "stay out of Willowfield putos" "i blasted your idlewood carnal" " i smoked your willowfield carnal "you let vagos in your Barrio holmes" so that big area between the Grove, Seville and Aztecas belonged to the grove. probably 1-2 vagos areas between grove and seville too. in my view since the Families lost the Territories, to the ballas because they wanted access to the Docks and factory grounds so they can bring the drugs, money and weapons in. The Seville are at odds with the Grove. Temple in other Hand the biggest between the three just sees them as a liability and just does their own business. As they are in the fancier areas they probably allow the Ballas to sell their products and earn a little too and the Ballas tolerate them in return.
I never understood that why a gangster (SWEET) who is the leader of GSF and is a hardcore criminal has such moral high ground against selling drugs. He and his gang indulge in many kinds of illegal acts, killings, gang wars and what not. He could be a person whom the common people in Los Santos dread of, a person with whom no law abiding and normal person would like to cross paths with or mess with. After all this, why the hell is he trying to be a good guy in a dirty game of power and politics by not indulging in drugs business? Afterall at the end of the day their goal is to expand their territories and become more and more powerful in San Andreas. When they are basically gangsters and criminals by profession, why the hell is he adamant on not selling drugs and allowing rival gangs like Ballas and Vagos to become stronger and letting GSF get weaker day by day. He isn't even finding out an alternative way to expand GSF's influence and only complains and cribs all day long. If you have such moral high grounds then why the fuck are you running a gang which indulges in illegal acts and business, shut all that up and get a fucking job of a cashier at a pizza place (maybe he won't be eligible for that too considering his criminal history and record). I started hating his character slowly, he was singlehandedly responsible for the fall of GSF due to his stubbornness and lack of leadership. He never did anything good for GSF, all he did was blame CJ for every damn thing. Maybe this could have been the main reason for CJ going to Liberty City 5 years ago to live a new life away from his dumb brother and gang bullshit. C.R.A.S.H. being a unit of corrupt cops (Tenpenny, Pulaski, Hernandez) who are willing to let the gangs sell drugs so that both of the parties earn and benefit from it is such a great opportunity for GSF and any other gang in Los Santos but Sweet was too dumb to understand this. He was trying to be a good and righteous guy in a game which is dirty and immoral from top to bottom. Big Smoke was smart enough to grab the opportunity and convince Sweet but he denied while having no other plans regarding future of GSF. However I do not support the betrayal of Big Smoke but he also had no other choice left, either he had to die himself in the hands of C.R.A.S.H. or let Sweet die so that he could get into drugs business and become powerful. Big Smoke unlike Sweet was concerned about GSF's future that is why he struck a deal with C.R.A.S.H. and was willing to convince Sweet so that GSF could also get stronger but his plan failed and was left with no choice. Big Smoke was also getting threatened for life and blackmailed by C.R.A.S.H., he simply chose his life over Sweet's. I cannot say whether he was right or wrong but no one would like to die for a dumb guy (Sweet) who has no plans for the gang and thinks that the world would run on his whims and fancies.
That is a perfect summary, homie 😃 The only thing we would like to add is the ridiculousness of him being against hard drugs like cocaine when he knows Ryder and some other OGs are using PCP, which as a matter of fact, is quite a hard drug! 😂 🤦♂️
Some times before, I was thinking about this topic 😁really, that what happen to Groves St. In GTA V and Thanks for giving pure contents. 🙏🏻🙏🏻 THANK YOU 🇮🇳🇮🇳
I think the attempted attack on sweet was viewed by the GSF's rivals as "If they could do that to GSF, then the GSF's powermis weakening and now it's time to retake what should be ours" basically it showed a weakness that GSF was getting weaker and that if they attack then GSF can't attack them... if that makes sense. English isn't my first language.
*10:31** You know what ? This Unused Phone Calls So Annoying Than Not Learn to Fly From Torreno Phone Calls. God damn Rockstar Games... Why did cut this from game? Least we have files. We can make remastered with together!*
"Sisyphean" comes from "Sisyphus", a guy in Greek mythology who was forced to push a rock up a hill only for it to roll back down once he reached the top and had to do this for eternity. It's meant to convey a sense of futility but it can also convey a sense of playfulness if you look at it from the rock's point of view.
If you ask me, the story would have been much better had Sweet conceded his own mistakes that caused Grove's downfall instead of putting all the blame on CJ even though Sweet, as the gang's leader, should also be sharing the blame for not actually doing anything about it. I may empathize with Sweet, but I don't sympathize with him at all.
My take on sweet is this we all know he stands on his principles and he is willing to die for his hood sweet is like most old school ppl when times change they dont want to adapt or accept change … sweet was right in not wanting drugs in the hood but as a leader he is supposed to find another solution for the gang to follow ppl will only stay loyal but for so long because at the end of the day the soldiers are going to start to think for themselves survival mode kicks in because they start looking around like yeah sweet i hear you but how else am i going to eat if we’re not selling drugs ??? … the world grows and evolves and sweet was stuck holding onto a way of thinking that was running his gang into the ground and he also would refuse to give up leadership a good leader must know when they no longer have it and delegate … CJ was perfect to take over that leadership role because CJ had the same mindset as sweet about drugs but was willing to lead the gang in a different direction he thought outside the box and had the mindset of an entrepreneur where sweet says “you sound just like smoke right now” except smoke was in it for greed and for his self only … CJ was in it to go legit and uplift his community and his family in the process and to eventually leave the gang life behind him
I think there were a few factors that made Grove Street disadvantaged. One, it was the introduction of crack, which GSF and also Los Aztecas refused to deal with, and that's why those are the two smaller gangs compared to Vagos and Ballas when CJ gets back from LC. I think it's good that they didn't deal with it, but they should have teamed up earlier to take out the Vagos and Ballas who were threatening their existence. I don't think Sweet was wrong to abstain from dealing drugs, but the drugs helped the other gangs and they took too long to react to those threats. Also, traitors from within the family, and dissent, which is partially Sweet's fault. It's not his fault that Big Smoke was a traitor, but he probably should have figured out that Smoke was inching towards betraying him with his obsessive attitude towards money, and wanting to deal crack. He is, however, responsible for the GSF's old school mentality, which held them back from other, more ethical, sources of making money which CJ has seen to, and which led to their resurgence. Sweet is a great leader, but he's too old fashioned, and he needs CJ and also Kendl's youthful, more entrepreneurial minds more than he realizes, and he should have always involved them more.
gta sa 2: Part 1, 1993 takeovers[DYOM] Mission 1: Go on a failed grove street invasion Mission 2: At night, go sneak into cj's house and temporarily leave the GSF without an underboss Mission 3: Go destroy an ambulance with cj in it and make the temporary no underboss eternal in the GSF Mission 4: DEFEND YOUR TERRITORY, SWEET IS LAUNCHING A MINI ATTACK Mission 5: Play a shooting game with the ballas and hit some bottles. Mission 6: Go burn the santa maria beach with some molotovs and destroy an art gallery Mission 7: Try To Kill Sweet Once Again! but you killed a tarnell. Mission 8: Try To Expand Into Red County
A lot of you ppl get sweet misunderstood He’s the oldest brother Dealing with his little brother Brian dying & CJ running away out of guilt then once CJ left The Set Fell because GSF is a family thing Sweet the leader yeah but He can’t do it all by himself which Is why he always talked shit To CJ bec he abandoned his family an CJ was 2nd Leader Which is commissioner smoke an Ryder was his lieutenant’s. CJ leaving lead to his mom dying if CJ wouldn’t have left maybe their mother wouldn’t have died So I honestly get sweets point of view ya look at him as mean to CJ but he’s not quite wrong for it either Cuz one person can’t do it all an most gonna say CJ took over hoods etc but that’s game logic ofc cj has to cuz he’s the main character sweet took hoods as well but we don’t see him do it cuz he’s not the main character also for u ppl saying sweet don’t do nothing is stupid ya act like ya didn’t have to do missions with sweet an when you did what sweet did shoot weather if u see his aim off an him not hit his targets but thts gta logic I do blame sweet but not all the way they all had their faults an Sweet gave CJ his props when he said CJ changed da hood by himself
Sure, we know that Sweet couldn't do everything by himself, but AT LEAST he could do something 🙂 And he's a gang leader for Christ's sake, he has to think about his organization while putting his sad feelings aside. Some people here already gave great ideas, such as establishing more businesses to get more money for the gang's survival. Find some alternatives if he doesn't want drugs in the hood. Make new contacts for weapons, there's so much he could do, you know. 😉
@@gaminginvestigators yes I agree bec smoke did go to sweet an tell him they losing the streets & they getting weaker so sweet definitely takes fault in most of this im jus sayin he can’t take all the blame
Sweet was a poor leader, i always thought that the reason why he was mad at cj for leaving was because cj was the real G in his hood and people naturally respected and followed him. He just had alot of guilt from what happened to his younger brother which he felt was because of him and thats why he left . Probably because sweet blames him for everything. But sweet to me is weak
Maybe Brian was dead and CJ didn't expect it. Sweet blamed him, while he's the oldest. While the oldest task is protect his siblings. And that's why, CJ felt like : "It was my fault" or blaming himself and felt hurt. You know what it's like being blamed by someone because of something that's you can't control ? And that's why, he run away and escape from toxic environment, like Sweet. To calm his mind and mentality. Because Tony himself can't hold it anymore, when his Ma treats him badly very often. He can't enjoy his life and his Ma often bothered him too much. I don't know where were he's been, before any mission in LCS. But I think he was in mentally peace, before : "Sh*t, here we go again.." I can understand CJ more, because I ever felt that way. When nobody understand you and blame you for something, while it's theirs too.
Was there some update or exclusive feature in GTA SA where you can wield an akimbo Silenced pistol? Since launch you can only hold 1 even after hitman but for yours its akimbo
Hey "Hubson Games" please do a video about that old man "the truth" and his secrets about why he want to see those cars in San fierro and he want that green thing that CJ stole it from the military train?!
In every GTA game we always do all the work hey u drive, hey you do this, you do that, just like in this game c.j. does everything while his brothers sweet sits back and moans and whines about everything
One thing I noticed about the whole game though is Tenpenny NEVER confronted Sweet or showed up to his house like Smokes and Ryders. So Sweet is definitely a factor in the streets and Tenpenny fears Sweet more than anyone. I do think its fake how he was against cocaine too tho.. what hood in LA didn't sell crack
Grove in the HD Universe is like The Forellis in the 3D universe, had everything once, made mistakes, and came to their lowest point, except The Grove Street Families still exist.
Drugs were also making the gang weak cause they were buyers as well in cleaning the hood and bdub was like sweet selfish and wanted power and had big bear ex grove Street member turned base head and house slave
This video fails to point out the change within the criminal world - as both San Andreas and Vice city do tell a good story of this change in the states in the set years. It was about crack and the money earned from it - power put simply, but this power would obviously corrupt irreversably the community of the gangs both in the GTA and the real world - hence the infight. Sweet doesn't care only for himself, same with Cesar. But anyway in the West greed always comes on top, this world doesn't want Sweet alive - and his gang too as we see that they lost their central hoods by GTA 5.
I think anyone who has knowledge with the LA crack epidemic of the 1990s will understand Sweet. Yeah, he's a dangerous criminal and not a guy that you would actually want to meet, but you get the impression that he cares for his community in his own way. Everything he does he does for his brothers. He's actually a lot like Don Vito Corleone in a way. He too didn't want drugs on his streets and that attitude ended up costing him.
I do understand where he's coming from, but the problem is that he does very little to ameliorate that and just decides to let it blow over. Plus he never takes full responsibility for his own mistakes since he's the gang's leader.
Sure thing! It's not like we are saying that being against drugs is a bad thing. Even Vito Corleone did the right thing as you mentioned. But as waters228 91 smartly noticed, the problem is doing nothing to grow influence, to find other ways to make money. Why Sweet couldn't be like Michael Corleone that said no to drugs but decided to invest in Moe Greene's casino.. This is the real issue 🙁
What you have to understand Sweet followed the rules of the Families from the early days in the late 60s early 70s. Once he took over in the 80s, shit started to change. The Ballas got stronger in the 80s once they started pushing weight. Sweet didn't have control, because once the hood split it started the set trippin in Los Santos. This is what happened in LA, with the Crips and some Bloods sets. Many Crips started killing each other in the 80s over drugs.
He has the hood broke and down. Should’ve told his members to sell it don’t use it. Instead he’d rather the homies be broke with no ideas for how to get ends meats. That’s why they lost.
@@coolbreeze3793 yeah true Sweet was not a good leader. The Ballas got stronger because all the drugs they were selling.
Sweet was absolute 100% right about drugs being bad for the gang, for many people drugs is really tempting and addictive.
If you don't take out street dealers you will find your homies sitting in front of houses high af and you won't be able to recruit them
Aside from that your absolutely right, he did practically nothing for 'the good of the hood' instead CJ has to do his job while his older brother the supposed leader is almost constantly bitchin and complaining to CJ.
@Hello World Sweet wouldve literally been a crackhead if it wasnt for CJ
@Hello World he's not responsible. Let's not pretend like he wasn't getting duped while 2 other leaders were bringing drugs in and working with Ballas and CRASH. It's their fault. He couldve done better. But let's be honest, no one in the 80s was expecting the crack epidemic. So it's not like he could've seen it getting as bad as it did and been able to actually stop it without dropping a bunch of bodies like how CJ did.
@@reddsmoke904 how
@@halloweenvalentine3669 CJ literally had to stop him from trying Crack one mission
@@reddsmoke904 what mission is that i definitely don’t remember
I think you misunderstood sweet. Any drugs in Los Santos brings down the quality of life for the poor community which makes up families soldiers.
Except for the Ryder's weed 😂
@@gaminginvestigators well Ryder's use of weed and pcp doesn't make Ryder into an addict
@@justanotheranimeprofilepic imagine if sweet actually saw Ryder using pcp and weed... Sweet would have probably been mad at Ryder for doing so
@@99mrpogi Ryder is literally doing it all the time, sweets problem are with addiction forming hard drugs
@@gaminginvestigators Weed is often an exception. The crack epidemic was just beginning in the San Andreas timeline. There were crack babies, people becoming unable to keep a job, and overall destroying their lives.
Sweet was unwilling to take any action to fix things. For five years he just let things fall apart, and then when CJ came back to town after their mom was killed, all he did was blame CJ. Did Sweet try to re-arm the gang’s arsenal after the police raid confiscated everything? No, that was CJ! He let CJ do all the grunt work in taking over territory. Sweet also disrespected Caesar despite the fact that it took Caesar to show CJ that Smoke and Ryder were traitors. Sweet led his soldiers into battle and got them killed.
After getting out of prison, he tries to start using drugs, after all that static he gave CJ about “forsaking his roots in the hood”. Then he tried to shut CJ out of helping lockdown the neighborhood during the riots. He shouldn’t be the leader in that gang.
Yeah, what a bloody hypocrite! 😒
Fact!!! TDF is the only serious set between the families
Man I never though about it like that. So many years gta SA has been so popular cause of the story. CJ brought in dough through legtitamate means. Now that I think about it. With all the stuff GSF like extortion, racketeering, car theft, home invasion. Granted you as the player can choose to do that. CJ did a lot whether he was washing all of GSF money or not. And he still gets flack when he tries showing a better way of life to the rest of his gang.
Yea if Sweet did all the missions we played on SA, then we wouldn’t be able to play those missions I bet 😂😂
@@odischeese21 then they shouldn't have written him that way.
I guess you could say that Sweet shitting on CJ for not putting in any work for the hood is him trying to cover up his own hypocrisy for not taken responsibility for his own actions to better the hood.
Very well put!
Exactly
What really annoys me around the end of the game, is that Cj doesn't have the balls to call out sweet on his bullshit and just stands there having sweet blaming him, unfairly for some matters. Cj doesn't stand up for what he's done and let's sweet have it his way, even though his way has fucked things over to begin with. Sweet doesn't acknowledge what Cj has been through to get him out of jail. If I was Cj I'd be like:Do you know what I did to get you out? And then Cj would mention some major missions of the storyline. But no Cj let's sweet get away with that.
@@herokratos595 You're in luck. Read the GTA San Andreas Rewrite on FF.
And real life context: This was Los Angeles during the crack epidemic. In real life crack was destroying Black communities in Los Angeles, so in the fictional location Los Santos Sweet doesn’t want to continue destroying his community or any community by slanging yay
Grove street families was trying to be anti crack considering the damage those drugs cause to the neighborhoods they host the products to.
True. A lot of inspirations were brought up to make this thread and the storyline overall 🙂
Your analysis on gang territory distribution is really inspiring, never thought of that before; while Ballas and Vagos subdivisions stick close to each other, GSF subdivisions are really far apart from each other, which is a big disadvantage to a street gang. And as for the answer to the title, I think Hugo One’s video: “Sweet from San Andreas is garbage” resonates with this video pretty well lol
They also overlooked the one spot on the beach that's owned by Temple.
Yeah! We also think that this large distance between GSF factions was a huge problem in terms of fights, negotiations and so on..
Grove St Families was never split from the other sets though. GSF had Idlewood, Willowfield, and Seville. The slowly lost all that turf once the Ballas took over in the 80s.
I laughed so much whlie watching it XD And #FuckSweet
Thanks I’ll check that video out
A video on Sweet's nature would be appreciable.
It's my point of view 👇
Sweet accused Carl responsible for Brian's death. What do you expect from a gang shootout ? There is a very high chance of death so why Carl was completely responsible for his death ??
Sweet forces to everybody to follow his orders whether one likes or not. A clear example is Kendl's response in mission Ceaser Vialpando.
His conservative mindset : Born and Die in the same hood.
He couldn't see Carl and Kendl making for themselves in San Fierro and Las Venturas. We can notice this when he gets released from prison.
Sweet ; highly ungrateful man.
He denied all Carl's efforts which he made to get him out.
Actually we are planning to release such episode in the future 🙂 Thanks for valuable input!
I can't even imagine cj taking sweet to Las Venturas or San fierro.. or probably the idea of cj hiring several gsf members as security or any other jobs at the chop shop or casino. Gsf members getting employed at the casino would have probably strengthened the alliance between the gsf and woozie's triads
CJ literally risked his life when he was working towards Sweet's freedom but Sweet couldn't see that cuz the gang is his number one priority
@@kaneashleycenas1808 Sweet has no choice other than his gang because out of the gang and the hood, he is more or less useless. Look at the mission, "Sweet's Girl"
And as I told in my other comment on this video - Sweet didn't do what he should've done for the gang. It is Ryder who arranged munitions for the GSF boys.
He is jealous and resentful at his own sublings running businesses because of his conservative narrow mind : Die in the same hood starving. Leaving hood for better life is a gesture of betrayal.
Other UA-camr already described Sweet pretty well by calling him "piece of shit".
Just look up for "Sweet from GTA SA is garbage".
I personally never liked Sweet, because he always kept on complaiang that CJ never does anything for the hood, while he suffered the most for the hood, while Sweet was sitting at home watching the shopping channel. I would not call him a leader, if anybody, then CJ would deserve to be the leader.
Sweet never realized his misjudgement of cj until the finale when CJ did not allow sweet to join cj in invading big smoke's drugs factory...
All of this information makes me wonder... Why was it significant enough to have Big Smoke in the mission "Nines and AKs" say that one line while you're driving to Emmet's place?
"Seville wrongs Temple, Temple wrongs Grove. Bad blood leads to bad blood."
Taking that quote at face value could mean that there was beef between those 2 factions first and then that spilled over into Grove Street. Then Sweet, being like he always is and just waiting for everything to calm down instead of doing something about it first, doesn't solve any problems between them and just lets them break up into their own separate places.
During the mission, "Reuniting the Families," all 3 green gangs were supposed to have a truce between them so something good WAS supposed to happen for Grove Street. But then it got ruined with the SWAT raid.
I never knew that there was this much thought put into the plot, but I love how detailed the story is in this game.
You're absolutely right, my man. Just like we said in the video, the distance between the factions wasn't really an ally to them. It was harder to discuss certain issues or make deals and so on, which in the end led to some misunderstandings. It's true that GTA storylines tend to surprise many of us and we are sure there will be more of those occasions.
I feel the lost of Brian, Beverly's death and CJ running away really broke Sweet, even though he acts all tough throughout the game, he probably doesn't want to keep going anymore, dedicating all of his remaining will to the gang, but CJ was able to give him a reason to fight once more, which is represented the best in the Beat Up in B Dup mission, where CJ quite literally saves him from giving in to the very thing he hated the most.
Sweet would have been dead as hell if CJ didn't come back.
Well, we always feel sorry for Sweet that he had to go through so many painful experiences. However, he is a gang leader, he is supposed to be strong, thinking about the organization and not just letting himself go because of what happened to his family 😉
I agree with the thing Sweet was responsible for the saperation of two groups from the gang. It's It's because of his dominating nature and conservative mindset. He always wanted to persuade his prospective and orders on the gang members below him. He acts like only he owns everybody.
Ryder (probably) told Carl that families accused each other wrong that's why they got saperated.
And the drugs thing ?? I think Sweet is right against pushing, but on other side he could not make much progress with the gamg. He is not a good leader. He is incapable and Incompetent.
Exactly.
Exactly! Like, why the f*ck didn't he do anything to maintain GSF position on the map! 😒
And sweet probably did not want gsf members leaving the hood for a better life in San fierro and Las Venturas such as his refusal to accept the fact that cj is owning businesses in both cities
@@99mrpogi this is what I am saying in my other comment on this video.
@@muhammadanass7235 and like big smoke, not all gsf members are agreeing with sweet's ideology against drugs. The gsf members who are agreeing with big smoke's proposal to spread drugs are probably asking big smoke to convince sweet to go into the drug business..
Well, Sweet was right about the drugs but it didn't change the fact that his leadership was poor. Looking back, it makes a lot of sense on why he kept giving CJ a hard time so much. Sweet let the crew fall apart by not having no backup plan, when it came to the drugs and he was just waiting for a miracle to happen. That's when CJ came in. Sweet gave CJ a hard time about running away and used his guilt into cleaning up the hood and fixing things on his behalf. CJ was unsure whether he wanted to stay in Los Santos or not but his loyalty was to Sweet and the only way to win his respect was rejoining the GS.
That's exactly our point! This dude was so pissed off at CJ that he was absent, yet he did nothing to maintain influence, saying only "drugs are bad". It's ridiculous 😂
It still bugs me that the Ballas control Grove Street in GTA 5...
A San Andreas 2 will be dopeeee
Well the new update with the agency missions when you're getting Dr Dre's phone ballas n grove collab for abit to shoot out the vagos so dunno what happens there could be a beef squash or a one time🤷 thing
Blame sweet 🤣
@@marcus3490 ignorant
Especially in the cul-de-sac
Temple Drive Families are the most savage set between the families...they are the only set that held it down after the split and fall of the families...
This game will soon turn 20 and it is still heavily talked with hundreds of thousands of views online. A testament of its greatness.
Amazing content btw!
It's an awesome game, I remember playing it as a kid with my cousins, way too young but they didn't speak english so no one really cared about the swearing lool just hung around the beach killing old ladies
Thank you so much, WhiterunGuard! 🙂
I still can't believe the massive disappointment that gta 5 story line was, splitting the story between 3 characters means that none of their stories could be developed properly,I wanted more gang related activities like in gta sanandreas
I really want to know how Brian died. And how did CJ have something to do with it? Did CJ accidently shoot him while trying to shoot an rival gang member? Did CJ watched someone else kill his brother and did nothing about it? What was it?
I always assumed that Brian was shot in a drive by gone wrong, I think CJ was the target.
You guys have to understand, when Grove Street Families started back in the late 60s they were the strongest gang. When I say strongest they had Ganton, Idlewood, Willowfield, Playa De Seville, and Temple. The Ballas only had Jefferson and Glen Park. Whoever started the Families in the beginning had control, until Sweet took over in the 80s. Ballas got stronger during the 80s with crack epidemic. They were the only ones pushing weight. They took over East Los from the LSV gang. Ballas also took over the projects in Idlewood and Willowfield. This weakend the Grove Street Families completely. Seville Blvd didn't like what Sweet was doing so they split the same with Temple Drive.
Certainly, we understand your point that GSF could be the strongest gang out there in LS. However, we are wondering how you know when exactly Grove Street Families started or when Sweet became the leader unless it is stated somewhere in the game. Moreover, how do you know what territories each family had except the obvious ones, that is Ganton, Temple, Playa del Seville? 🤔
@@gaminginvestigators because they basing the Families and Ballas on the Crips and Bloods. One started in the late 1960s and the other in the early 1970s. If you look in certain missions you can tell the Families use to run certain cities in the past. The way Sweet explains how the Grove ain't big like they once we're. When you take Idlewood from the Ballas he says Idlewood is back ours. Plus Emmit is from Seville Blvd but he hangs out in Willowfield, that should be a hint Seville use to control Willowfield as well. Just like in real life Los Angeles many smaller gangs got powerful in the 80s because they started pushing weight. Many Ballas started taking over former Families turf. Either former GSF members died, turned in crack heads, or flipped to Ballas because of the income. If Sweet was the founder of the Grove Street Families he would of been a way older dude than what Sweet looks in the game. CJ is barely in his 20s. Sweet has to be in his early 30s. Like I said why you think they never mention that Sweet is the founder of the Families. There has to be a founder, either he died in the streets and Sweet took over. Just like Sweet states there not big like before, because who ever started the gang had power until Sweet took over in the late 80s. You have to understand what I say. They basing the Families vs Ballas to the Crips vs Bloods.
@@southsidecompton9668 Well, the fact that something is inspired by something else doesn't mean they are the same in terms of every little detail 😉 To go even further, they pretty much can't be since it would be plagiarism of some sort. That's actually our whole point here - we don't know when GSF was formed. Funny enough, we managed to check some sources and on the official website of GTA SA (status unavailable, but here's how it looked like -> classicgtasites.com/sanandreas/), it is said that the Ballas were in Los Santos since the 1970s, so this confirms your information. However, when it comes to Grove Street Families, there's no information about this gang. Frankly speaking, we are not disagreeing with you that GSF used to be bigger or something. The thing is we don't have anything stating that this part of town belonged to them throughout the last 5 years. You are mentioning taking territories in missions, but remember that we are talking about the breakdown that happened from 1987-1992. We are not talking about what happened before 1987 in this video. And yes, we know that Emmet is working in Willowfield, but does it mean SVF used to have this territory in 1987-1992? Not necessarily. That's why we mentioned only the obvious areas. And finally, this whole story is based on real events, but again, we don't know since when Sweet is the leader of GSF, there's no mention of that in the game or other game sources.
@@gaminginvestigators Are you saying it's impossible for these gangs to be based on the Bloods and Crips because of plagiarism??? Because when it comes to gang banging there is no actual legit form of plagiarism. People use their flags, colors, slang, symbols, graffiti and hand signs in movies, music videos, social media, music etc. Gang culture has become a big part of media and pop culture and it's history is not necessarily something you can go down and get copyrighted. So no, it's not impossible and the person you responded to made very valid points in terms of how that inspiration most likely manifested. The repercussions aren't through some large court case or settlement when it comes to plagiarism or false claiming. They are in the streets. If you aren't respected, connected or actually bang and then you use their set, your going to have REAL problems on your hands when you actually are checked about it. But a large video game like this ?? I highly doubt the bloods and crips filed a motion to stop them from using their history as inspiration. This is a game about LA banging. There's no way that they didn't take any inspiration from the sets and gang culture that was created and exists here because they were afraid of plagiarizing. Movies like South Central and Boyz in tha hood definitely took inspiration from LA gang culture and that was allowed to happen so i'm confused on this take.
@@southsidecompton9668 I actually think Cj is 24 and sweet is around his late 20s
Its not like drugs was the only way to make money fast, CJ could have observed the Leone mob when he was working for them and tried things like the protection scheme. Or set up legitimate businesses like bars, barbershops tatoo parlors and auto repair shops. All funneling the money to the guys at the top The Johnson Family. Then it could be redistributed in the form of guns, ammo and payment. Grove Street could have been a proper legit organized crime syndicate given CJ's massive amount of wealth he attained throughout the game if only Sweet wasn't so closed off and narrow minded.
Cj could have also set up businesses within Los Santos, or hired gsf members as security for his chop shop in San fierro and casinos in Las Venturas
@@99mrpogi Yeah create employment for his fellow Grove Brethren I love it. He could even repair the airstrip he owns in Bone County and use it for illegal import and exportation of firearms.
@@joelgittens6857 and CJ could buy weapons from Phil Cassidy.. imagine if it turned out that cj actually met Phil Cassidy during CJ's stay in liberty city..
@@joelgittens6857 and CJ can hire another group of gsf members as pilots and security in the bone county airstrip
@@99mrpogi Not impossible Phil could have been there in 91 I'm sure.
I think as bad as it sounds sweet not wanting to get involved in drugs is what split the families all those members seeing how fast money could come in by selling drugs influenced people
That exactly could be it...
And there's probably a sub faction of the gsf who wants to follow big smoke's desire to spread drugs while another sub faction is into sweet's ideology to protect their communities
Fr, I appreciate him not wanting people to get strung up on hard drugs, but it's incredibly stupid to not sell drugs in a gang! One of the fastest and best paying ways to earn cash, they probably could've gone into arms dealing idk 🤔
Please publish more in depth analysis of GTA SA plotline. I'm loving the experience of watching one of my childhood nostalgia through a more mature, critical lense.
No worries! More episodes are coming up on GTA San Andreas soon! 🙂
It's a very unpopular opinion I'm gonna give here but Big Smoke was right in wanting to sell drugs, Sweet was trying to be the good guy in a bad guy game. He was the responsible for GSF downfall before CJ came back
Agreed, they could've at least sold guns (I don't remember if they actually did in game) to make more money, or gotten more into the robbery or the counterfeit cash game
The problem with drugs is it destroys communities. The only people winning are the people selling the stuff, but sweet seemed to care more about community rather than making large amounts of money like Big Smoke. Now imagine selling drugs and trying to raise a family in the same community you’re poisoning. Hell, even members Grove Street eventually suffered from the poison of drugs when sweet was locked up and CJ was trying to get him out. Honestly, sweet was a bad leader in my opinion.
The Families were originally extremely strong before all the sets split and Ballas gained influence and overtook them as the cities biggest gang. They even also owned Willowfield, Lower East Los Santos, Idlewood, etc... One cool little hidden detail is you can still find various Families tags in the Ballas hoods that once belonged to the Families as well as details in conversation of the history of the area pre-1992.
Originally, there were only 2 Ballas sets: The Rollin' Heights in Jefferson and the Kilo Tray in Glen Park. The Front Yard were formed in Idlewood once the drug trade began to rise and they quickly became the largest set taking over Grove Streets territories around Ganton. The Temple Drive Ballas came to fruition as a subdivision in Verona Beach and Vinewood to surround and start moving in on the Temple Drive Families turf. The Kilo Tray Ballas even setup a secondary base of operations in the Seville Boulevard Families former turf down in Willowfield and Ocean Docks. They pretty much had the entire gangland on lock by the time CJ returned smh
Well yeah, the greens' gang was one of the biggest in Los Santos during their great times. However, at some point, they were losing more and more influence. As for the Ballas sets, we don't know too much about their origins. There's even not much information on the official website... So we can't say which Balla set was the first or second :/ We do see your approach there, but it's more of an assumption rather than a fact. We do agree with your thinking in terms of how other Balla sets were found, but we can't agree that there were 2 sets originally because there are no arguments for that, unless you could find something in the game. Thanks for sharing your reflections!
@@gaminginvestigators I got the info as a combination from the wiki, paying close attention the the games lore in conversation, GTA RP, and exploring and coming up with my own conclusions, etc... So partly facts and assumptions mostly. I do know though that Idlewood, Willowfield, and Lower East Los Santos were originally Families territory though pre 1992. Also is you look at the shades of gang territory on the map, you can also see how dark each shade of the gangs color in each neighborhood on the map which represents their influence. The Ballas were the strongest in Jefferson and Glen Park plus there's no history or traces of the Grove St. or any other gangs involvement in those areas too. I think it said in the wiki that the "Rollin' Heights Ballas" were the original set and that's where most of their "OG's" are located.
Personally, we wouldn't recommend taking everything that is written on GTA Wiki for granted 😉 Although the website itself presents a good level, there are many cases of bringing up something completely out of place and reason or without evidence. That's why you should verify the information there, a little advice 🙂
I hated Sweet when he got on CJ for trying to leave the hood. It’s sad that he’s still stuck in the hood mindset while CJ saw life more than the hood. I respect his way of thinking but it doesn’t mean he’s right.
Facts. It irked me how at the end of the game CJ was established and damn near rich as hell away from the hood and Sweet still wants him to be connected all the way
There’s more to life and Sweet never wanted to understand that
It is all about expanding horizons.. We fully understand that Sweet wants CJ to "not forget about the hood", but what if we expand "the hood" to a much bigger area than just ghettos. 🙂
@@gaminginvestigators yeah.. like CJ could have provided legitimate jobs to the other gsf members by employing them as security guards in his garage in San fierro, the airstrip outside Las Venturas and as well as the casino. In addition to employing them as security, cj could also employ them as mechanics for his garage, pilots for his airstrip and card dealers in his casino.
If I may make a suggestion for a future video, could you explain the meaning behind the Green Sabre? Why did Smoke and Ryder choose that particular car to try and kill Sweet? Why were they planning to use it again later on, presumably to try and kill him again? After all, if Smoke just wanted Sweet dead, he could have just waited until they were sharing some beers one night and then reached for his gun. I just find the whole thing rather poorly laid out in game. I almost get the whiff of more cut content.
I think that car has some meaning in the history of the gang.
We are going to discuss the Green Sabre event in a nutshell in one of future videos 😉
Most likely it's to go incognito in a rivals hood basically false flag operation so nobody but the ones involved know it's a hit and to split the grove even further apart
i believe it was because they wanted it to seem like one of the other "Family" sets did it to cause a permanent split in the families
Those deleted phone calls from Sweet to CJ are damn hilarious, as if all the bad habits and behavior going on in the hood is CJs fault lol.
It's also sad to consider that none of it mattered in the end because The ballas end up in control of Grove Street in GTA V
3D universe not to be confused with HD! 😛
The activities of the 3d Universe (gta 3 - san andreas) don't directly correlate to that of the HD Universe (gta 4 - online)
@@alphaife5008 I know about the different Universe Concept from Rockstar,it's still Dumb and plus GTA Online also contradicts it by referencing said events,Like Franklin and Lamar talking about A weed farm being destroyed in San fierro(which happened in gta san andreas story)
@@gaminginvestigators I know about the HD and 3D Universe,I use to tell people that all the time and it's still A horrible choice by rockstar.
@@PowerFan5 i think their just supposed to be easter eggs, but i agree with you
Should definitely do one on the Ballas and how the war started with families and how Ballas rose to power
Really makes you think how different things would be if Sweet took Smokes offer.
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That is so ridiculous.😂
For me, Sweet was the least likable character in the game. I found him more annoying than Catalina and Zero, all he ever did was yell at CJ.
"CJ, do something."
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"CJ I warned your ass!"
@@Zmeeed01 imagine if the train chase is for sweet instead of big smoke
@@BigBrotherTheWatcher1984" thats another funeral you ran away from fool,just like brians"
You always crashing cj
I've always hated Sweet for his incompetence and pathetic mindset. Now, thank you for hating him even more lol.
Of course I love his intentions, but his actions are just unbearably painful to see. He keeps on yapping about getting the 'hood back together and keeping them tight, but he barely does anything that helps in doing those things.
CJ also has his flaws, but, at least, he's more competent and has an open mindset in one form or another.
Exactly! We all know that he wants everything good for his gang, but he doesn't take any actions at all! That's why he is a pain in the ass for us among other things 😒
I was so sick of Sweet browbeating CJ and blaming him for everything. At least CJ was motivated and busted his butt to help the Families.
This is why i hate how they separate SA and GTA5 its literally like 20 years later would've been cool to know the true story about what happen not like it had anything to do with the story
The games are in different universes and are not related, and are more aquin to parallel universes. Rockstar had no intend of making the stories related, as GTA IV is not related to GTA III
"Our principles are making us bitches"
Sweet: Nah man, we so hood & could stick up a burger shot if we need money.
I think Sweet was thinking about the kids and the regular people on the hood, not the OG gang members when he said that he doesn't wanted drugs on the hood
Sweet is a relic of another generation with different values, but it seems most people can't get it - as greed always takes over, least in Western society.
Besides he wasn't the only one against drug trafficing, Cesar and Woozy were also against it. Toreno? Him, his agency, and obviously the government don't care.
The thing about woozie though was they found other ways of making money if you aren’t going to provide other ways for your followers to eat they are eventually gonna find their own ways its a survival instinct
@@koldmafia9392 exactly
Woozie made money by other means like the betting shop or the casino
Sweet on the other hand doesn’t make money by any means so his gang became week
For me Sweet do nothing for his hood . Always complaining about CJ runaway from the hood . But when CJ return , all by his self what he do is make a reunited families , became stronger . And Sweet what he do ? Nothing . He just a shit when CJ not with him . But CJ ? He down for the hood by his self , alone . And what Sweet don't know one thing is , CJ is the man who take Sweet out from prison , and he do so many task will ruin his life . But he still do that because he just wanted to free Sweet from prison . And he still complaining about CJ ? The real reason why GSF collapsed ? Is because Sweet do nothing about his hood . If you give a reason that CJ runaway from the hood for 5 years , and you see how powerless Sweet and don't knoe how to take care his hood by him self . But when CJ returned , the hood become stronger . Because , CJ down for his hood and show his loyalty and get respect from the hood by him self and he do that . He do that alone . Not with Sweet . Even in final mission , you need to take down another families hood to find Smoke , and still , CJ do that alone . So where the fck Sweet ? Always complaining about CJ meanwhile he done nothing for take good care his families hood .
Exactly!
@@gaminginvestigators but I think sweet's desire to assist cj in confronting big smoke is probably sweet's attempt to redeem himself in the not so good things that he did to Cj. Though I believe sweet still did cj a favor when sweet drove the feltzer while cj shoots at the gang members chasing them
He definitely became stronger. He also increased his stamina and sex appeal after coming back.
Please do a video on the green sabre. There is a lot of mystery surrounding that car.
We are planning to make such video in future 🙂
San Andreas is one of those games i will never criticize because it's pure golden and legendary to many of us 90's gaming veterans
San andreas came out in 2000s not 90s it's set in the 90s but it's a 2000s game there's a difference
Damn, I'll never look at Sweet the same again.
Just don't try to kill him, my man! You'll fail the mission 😅
Sweet wanted to keep the community as whole clean. He may have been the leader of a Felonious gang but he was also a benevolent one. Look at Don corleone for example he didn't want to get into the drug business either
Sure thing, but he was against drugs at the same time while bearing in mind Ryder and a few other OGs are using PCP, which is a hard drug after all? It sounds quite hypocritical to us :/
@@gaminginvestigators good point, hmm I dont have a counter argument for that
I can't believe a gangster and killer like Sweet has principles and refuses to deal in drugs while the script writers in this video blame him for refusing to
Life is full of surprises 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well it's funny but as we might expect the story has been arranged to make us think we are on the good side 😀
Just shows that not all street gangs are always into dealing drugs in a particular area which sometimes places them into conflict with each other... It's sometimes all about ideologies and principles
@@99mrpogi And that once they betray their principles, they turn into their rivals they hate so much.
The entire GTA lore basically tells a story about criminal organisations corrupting eventually, or being pushed out of the bussiness by their rivals - GTA 4 is a great example, the italian mafia diyng, the Irish mafia done, the Damned ending themselves with their actions...
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 like gsf members(notably big smoke) defecting to the ballas...
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 yes. And don't forget that part of the plots of GTA games are about the protagonists being betrayed by their allies and friends
Because street gangs are nothing like Organized Crime syndicates, and the realism brought by GTA V intended to illustrate that. When Lamar and Franklin talk on this subject, it is said that most of Grove Ogs died and the ones who were left got rich and eventually went away. Possibly CJ got more and more involved with big business and white colar crimes. Sweet was possibly alone dealing with a whole new generation of hoodlums who didn't acknowleged him or any of the old shcool sutff. Sweet was either killed; forced to leave the hood himself or he simply got tired of the hardship in the hood after living the good life CJ had brought them. Eventually the gang that took control of Grove St. was more aligned with the Ballas than with The Families itself.
Sweet represented the late 70s style of gang banger, they should really make a another GTA in Los Santos in the late 70s-early/mid 80s, the style, guns, gangs, drugs, by the epilogue would rule the streets
Yeah, that would be cool 🙂 Unfortunately there's a low chance that Rockstar will come back to 3D era 😦
It's called the warriors
I'm guessing that the temple drive and Seville boulevard families are the only sets that agreed to big smoke's proposal to sell drugs where as the main gsf set preferred to follow Sweet's anti drugs ideologies
Am I the only one who thinks the narrator sounds like James Woods aka Mike Toreno from the game? Kinda adds to the video honestly 😂
Actually Sweet allowed some drug to be distributed such as marijuana and PCP like Ryder uses and even some GSF member I believe also smoking marijuana; though he seems kinda dislike it. But cocaine is really strong drug and he didn't wanted this drug ruined his gang.
Everyone could grow grass those days - hell it's one of the things behind the hippie period - and why you are getting your grass from the Truth, so Sweet obviously grew up in such environment. Yes, he didn't like it - as we learn from the lore, it's how his mother taught him and CJ. Anyway the point is when everyone can grow or buy weed Sweet can basically do nothing to stop his homies from smoking it - it would be the same if he tried to prevent them from drinking, pointless.
I’m loving all your videos 💯🙏🏾keep it up bro
Thanks! 😎
@@gaminginvestigators na bro thank you for the entertainment and in-depth videos 💯
in my View. Former Neighbourhoods like Willowfield are lost to the Ballas. We know from the bigger Black Graffitis around that area that they once belonged to the Families. Idlewood has the graffitis too especially in the Skate Park. CJ is aware that idlewood is Ballas Territory. They have lost it probably prior to 87. Ryder wants his Graffitis at the pizza Restaurant which is in Idlewood and the first Graffiti Mission starts in Idlewood. So there is still a annexation even though very passive. Till the End of the Story where you actually have to fight it back.
When it comes to Willowfield. There are the big black grove graffities all over the place. It was once a Grove Territory. The Vagos say to CJ "go back to willowfield Ese" "i smoked your camaradas in east los" and the Aztecas say "stay out of Willowfield putos" "i blasted your idlewood carnal" " i smoked your willowfield carnal "you let vagos in your Barrio holmes" so that big area between the Grove, Seville and Aztecas belonged to the grove. probably 1-2 vagos areas between grove and seville too. in my view since the Families lost the Territories, to the ballas because they wanted access to the Docks and factory grounds so they can bring the drugs, money and weapons in. The Seville are at odds with the Grove. Temple in other Hand the biggest between the three just sees them as a liability and just does their own business. As they are in the fancier areas they probably allow the Ballas to sell their products and earn a little too and the Ballas tolerate them in return.
I never understood that why a gangster (SWEET) who is the leader of GSF and is a hardcore criminal has such moral high ground against selling drugs. He and his gang indulge in many kinds of illegal acts, killings, gang wars and what not. He could be a person whom the common people in Los Santos dread of, a person with whom no law abiding and normal person would like to cross paths with or mess with. After all this, why the hell is he trying to be a good guy in a dirty game of power and politics by not indulging in drugs business? Afterall at the end of the day their goal is to expand their territories and become more and more powerful in San Andreas. When they are basically gangsters and criminals by profession, why the hell is he adamant on not selling drugs and allowing rival gangs like Ballas and Vagos to become stronger and letting GSF get weaker day by day. He isn't even finding out an alternative way to expand GSF's influence and only complains and cribs all day long. If you have such moral high grounds then why the fuck are you running a gang which indulges in illegal acts and business, shut all that up and get a fucking job of a cashier at a pizza place (maybe he won't be eligible for that too considering his criminal history and record). I started hating his character slowly, he was singlehandedly responsible for the fall of GSF due to his stubbornness and lack of leadership. He never did anything good for GSF, all he did was blame CJ for every damn thing. Maybe this could have been the main reason for CJ going to Liberty City 5 years ago to live a new life away from his dumb brother and gang bullshit. C.R.A.S.H. being a unit of corrupt cops (Tenpenny, Pulaski, Hernandez) who are willing to let the gangs sell drugs so that both of the parties earn and benefit from it is such a great opportunity for GSF and any other gang in Los Santos but Sweet was too dumb to understand this. He was trying to be a good and righteous guy in a game which is dirty and immoral from top to bottom. Big Smoke was smart enough to grab the opportunity and convince Sweet but he denied while having no other plans regarding future of GSF. However I do not support the betrayal of Big Smoke but he also had no other choice left, either he had to die himself in the hands of C.R.A.S.H. or let Sweet die so that he could get into drugs business and become powerful. Big Smoke unlike Sweet was concerned about GSF's future that is why he struck a deal with C.R.A.S.H. and was willing to convince Sweet so that GSF could also get stronger but his plan failed and was left with no choice. Big Smoke was also getting threatened for life and blackmailed by C.R.A.S.H., he simply chose his life over Sweet's. I cannot say whether he was right or wrong but no one would like to die for a dumb guy (Sweet) who has no plans for the gang and thinks that the world would run on his whims and fancies.
That is a perfect summary, homie 😃 The only thing we would like to add is the ridiculousness of him being against hard drugs like cocaine when he knows Ryder and some other OGs are using PCP, which as a matter of fact, is quite a hard drug! 😂 🤦♂️
CJ would make a better Leader than Sweet
He hates drugs and he has Cesar and the Aztecas alliance
I agree. CJ kinda has a powerful dictator like Hitler , Lenin and Stalin mindset though.
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I would like to know myself as well
If there is going to be gta 7 I hope we go back to los santos and complete the story between the hoods and I hope franklin can be there too
Well, considering that GTA 7 will probably take place in HD universe, there's a high chance we might see Franklin again 😃
Some times before, I was thinking about this topic 😁really, that what happen to Groves St. In GTA V and Thanks for giving pure contents.
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I think the attempted attack on sweet was viewed by the GSF's rivals as "If they could do that to GSF, then the GSF's powermis weakening and now it's time to retake what should be ours" basically it showed a weakness that GSF was getting weaker and that if they attack then GSF can't attack them... if that makes sense. English isn't my first language.
Don t get it twisted Temple Drive Families put in mad work on Temple Drive Ballas and bullied them conquering for a period the whole of temple
will you do a video on your character in gta v online of what their role can be in los santos or the ultimate fate of them
Added to the list 👍
*10:31** You know what ? This Unused Phone Calls So Annoying Than Not Learn to Fly From Torreno Phone Calls. God damn Rockstar Games... Why did cut this from game? Least we have files. We can make remastered with together!*
I like Sweet's beta appearance more than the final game's.
"Sisyphean" comes from "Sisyphus", a guy in Greek mythology who was forced to push a rock up a hill only for it to roll back down once he reached the top and had to do this for eternity. It's meant to convey a sense of futility but it can also convey a sense of playfulness if you look at it from the rock's point of view.
If you ask me, the story would have been much better had Sweet conceded his own mistakes that caused Grove's downfall instead of putting all the blame on CJ even though Sweet, as the gang's leader, should also be sharing the blame for not actually doing anything about it. I may empathize with Sweet, but I don't sympathize with him at all.
That would be great, but guess his ego won't let him.. 😒
My take on sweet is this we all know he stands on his principles and he is willing to die for his hood sweet is like most old school ppl when times change they dont want to adapt or accept change … sweet was right in not wanting drugs in the hood but as a leader he is supposed to find another solution for the gang to follow ppl will only stay loyal but for so long because at the end of the day the soldiers are going to start to think for themselves survival mode kicks in because they start looking around like yeah sweet i hear you but how else am i going to eat if we’re not selling drugs ??? … the world grows and evolves and sweet was stuck holding onto a way of thinking that was running his gang into the ground and he also would refuse to give up leadership a good leader must know when they no longer have it and delegate … CJ was perfect to take over that leadership role because CJ had the same mindset as sweet about drugs but was willing to lead the gang in a different direction he thought outside the box and had the mindset of an entrepreneur where sweet says “you sound just like smoke right now” except smoke was in it for greed and for his self only … CJ was in it to go legit and uplift his community and his family in the process and to eventually leave the gang life behind him
So Hugo was right all along, Sweet *is* a busta
Would you provide a link? We'd love to see his opinion :)
I think there were a few factors that made Grove Street disadvantaged. One, it was the introduction of crack, which GSF and also Los Aztecas refused to deal with, and that's why those are the two smaller gangs compared to Vagos and Ballas when CJ gets back from LC. I think it's good that they didn't deal with it, but they should have teamed up earlier to take out the Vagos and Ballas who were threatening their existence. I don't think Sweet was wrong to abstain from dealing drugs, but the drugs helped the other gangs and they took too long to react to those threats.
Also, traitors from within the family, and dissent, which is partially Sweet's fault. It's not his fault that Big Smoke was a traitor, but he probably should have figured out that Smoke was inching towards betraying him with his obsessive attitude towards money, and wanting to deal crack. He is, however, responsible for the GSF's old school mentality, which held them back from other, more ethical, sources of making money which CJ has seen to, and which led to their resurgence. Sweet is a great leader, but he's too old fashioned, and he needs CJ and also Kendl's youthful, more entrepreneurial minds more than he realizes, and he should have always involved them more.
Epic last fight between two old friends CJ and Big Smoke
3:30, if anyone can tell me what this filter is called, it would reallyyyy make my day
Always enjoy the lore of the 3D universe.
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Bro you guys r soo good!
Thanks! 😊
@@gaminginvestigators I mean you really are one of the only ones keeping it alive 🙂
Keep up the good work
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And btw the side missions are conquer every gang or hood to control it Grove Street make a empire since no one are other Can break em
Sweet basically became the gansta version of Karen from HR
CJ, DO SOMETHING!!!
gta sa 2: Part 1, 1993 takeovers[DYOM]
Mission 1: Go on a failed grove street invasion
Mission 2: At night, go sneak into cj's house and temporarily leave the GSF without an underboss
Mission 3: Go destroy an ambulance with cj in it and make the temporary no underboss eternal in the GSF
Mission 4: DEFEND YOUR TERRITORY, SWEET IS LAUNCHING A MINI ATTACK
Mission 5: Play a shooting game with the ballas and hit some bottles.
Mission 6: Go burn the santa maria beach with some molotovs and destroy an art gallery
Mission 7: Try To Kill Sweet Once Again! but you killed a tarnell.
Mission 8: Try To Expand Into Red County
A lot of you ppl get sweet misunderstood He’s the oldest brother Dealing with his little brother Brian dying & CJ running away out of guilt then once CJ left The Set Fell because GSF is a family thing Sweet the leader yeah but He can’t do it all by himself which Is why he always talked shit To CJ bec he abandoned his family an CJ was 2nd Leader Which is commissioner smoke an Ryder was his lieutenant’s. CJ leaving lead to his mom dying if CJ wouldn’t have left maybe their mother wouldn’t have died So I honestly get sweets point of view ya look at him as mean to CJ but he’s not quite wrong for it either Cuz one person can’t do it all an most gonna say CJ took over hoods etc but that’s game logic ofc cj has to cuz he’s the main character sweet took hoods as well but we don’t see him do it cuz he’s not the main character also for u ppl saying sweet don’t do nothing is stupid ya act like ya didn’t have to do missions with sweet an when you did what sweet did shoot weather if u see his aim off an him not hit his targets but thts gta logic I do blame sweet but not all the way they all had their faults an Sweet gave CJ his props when he said CJ changed da hood by himself
Sure, we know that Sweet couldn't do everything by himself, but AT LEAST he could do something 🙂 And he's a gang leader for Christ's sake, he has to think about his organization while putting his sad feelings aside. Some people here already gave great ideas, such as establishing more businesses to get more money for the gang's survival. Find some alternatives if he doesn't want drugs in the hood. Make new contacts for weapons, there's so much he could do, you know. 😉
@@gaminginvestigators yes I agree bec smoke did go to sweet an tell him they losing the streets & they getting weaker so sweet definitely takes fault in most of this im jus sayin he can’t take all the blame
Sweet was a poor leader, i always thought that the reason why he was mad at cj for leaving was because cj was the real G in his hood and people naturally respected and followed him. He just had alot of guilt from what happened to his younger brother which he felt was because of him and thats why he left . Probably because sweet blames him for everything. But sweet to me is weak
Cj left his brother Bryan to die man, and he runned away to LC
@@Asonunique23 how exactly did he leave him to die though?
Maybe Brian was dead and CJ didn't expect it. Sweet blamed him, while he's the oldest. While the oldest task is protect his siblings. And that's why, CJ felt like : "It was my fault" or blaming himself and felt hurt. You know what it's like being blamed by someone because of something that's you can't control ? And that's why, he run away and escape from toxic environment, like Sweet. To calm his mind and mentality.
Because Tony himself can't hold it anymore, when his Ma treats him badly very often. He can't enjoy his life and his Ma often bothered him too much.
I don't know where were he's been, before any mission in LCS. But I think he was in mentally peace, before : "Sh*t, here we go again.."
I can understand CJ more, because I ever felt that way. When nobody understand you and blame you for something, while it's theirs too.
Was there some update or exclusive feature in GTA SA where you can wield an akimbo Silenced pistol? Since launch you can only hold 1 even after hitman but for yours its akimbo
Hey "Hubson Games" please do a video about that old man "the truth" and his secrets about why he want to see those cars in San fierro and he want that green thing that CJ stole it from the military train?!
I don't know why but i like sweet how he act to cj 🤣😂😅 i guess used to it
We need a gta of lamar taking back grove st!!!! Asap
I don’t think Grove St. families ever got extinct/disbanded in the 3d universe like they did in the hd universe
7:33- Did you say "The pn-ultimate factor..."
If this was real life and if Sweet would've survived, he would be a community leader by now.
The one gang you never wanted to be disbanded.
8:59 did u just activate dead eye
Emmet for sure.
Yes, indeed, sir 😂
Yeah, if by emmet you meant that pizza guy we try to rob, well ryder tried
GSF could have became ethical drug dealers 😂
Exactly 😂
In every GTA game we always do all the work hey u drive, hey you do this, you do that, just like in this game c.j. does everything while his brothers sweet sits back and moans and whines about everything
See I never understood how grove street had temple drive Santa Maria beach and Seville boulevard all are split from each other
RIP Carl Johnson, Melvin Harris, better known as Big Smoke, and Lance “Ryder” Wilson
"Sisyphean work" fancy word... i had to look it up lol
I never seen that npc gove street member with the black coat. Who he is suppose to be?
Those are just a cutscene NPC.
You do know gta v is in a different alternate universe called the HD universe right?
Yes, we do know 😃
One thing I noticed about the whole game though is Tenpenny NEVER confronted Sweet or showed up to his house like Smokes and Ryders. So Sweet is definitely a factor in the streets and Tenpenny fears Sweet more than anyone. I do think its fake how he was against cocaine too tho.. what hood in LA didn't sell crack
Never say never! 😃 Actually Tenpenny paid a visit to Sweet, we know about this from the "Los Sepulcros" mission 😉
So tenpenny resorted to manipulating CJ.
@@gaminginvestigators Oh right I forgot about that. He told him about the funeral 😂
Grove in the HD Universe is like The Forellis in the 3D universe, had everything once, made mistakes, and came to their lowest point, except The Grove Street Families still exist.
Make a video on is tenpenny alive?
Added to the list. 👌
Shawty in da back was getting bizzee
Imagine GTA: The return of Groove street.. That would be iconic
Grove streets sounds more like Black Panthers during the 60s.
Drugs were also making the gang weak cause they were buyers as well in cleaning the hood and bdub was like sweet selfish and wanted power and had big bear ex grove Street member turned base head and house slave
They have a family set right up the street from them and St Maria Beach
Why the Farelli's pic you used had that horrible photoshop filter, the World may never know...
Sweet was too principled to run a gang. Not saying all gang leaders are morally bankrupt but one has to have somewhat of a lack of conscience
This video fails to point out the change within the criminal world - as both San Andreas and Vice city do tell a good story of this change in the states in the set years.
It was about crack and the money earned from it - power put simply, but this power would obviously corrupt irreversably the community of the gangs both in the GTA and the real world - hence the infight. Sweet doesn't care only for himself, same with Cesar. But anyway in the West greed always comes on top, this world doesn't want Sweet alive - and his gang too as we see that they lost their central hoods by GTA 5.