Compact 18V Sabre Saw Head-to-Head - Reciprocating Milwaukee, Makita, Dewalt, Bosch, Metabo, Hikoki
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2021
- COMPARISON TIME!
oztooltalk pit seven different compact saws against each other from all the biggest trade brands. Sabre saw / reciprocating saw / hackzall, whatever you call it, if it's a one-hander we want it!
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INFO CORRECTION: Metabo sabre saw has an adjustable shoe!
Split screen footage beginning 1:16
Scoring begins at 14:12
Prices/value at 23:32
Basic specifications below, full spec sheet at 5:22
Milwaukee - M18 FHZ (2719) Hackzall
3000 SPM | 22 mm Stroke Length | 1.9 kg
Bosch - GSA 18V-LiC (GSA 18V-083)
3050 SPM | 21 mm Stroke Length | 2.0 kg
Makita - DJR188 (XRJ 07Z)
3000 SPM | 20 mm Stroke Length | 2.3 kg
Dewalt - DCS367
2900 SPM | 28.6 mm Stroke Length | 2.3 kg
Hikoki - CR 18DA ( Metabo HPT CR18DAQ4)
3200 SPM | 13 mm Stroke Length | 1.3 kg
Metabo - SSE 18 LTX BL COMPACT
3000 SPM | 16 mm Stroke Length | 1.4 kg
Dewalt - DCS369 Atomic
2800 SPM | 16 mm Stroke Length | 1.5 kg
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You guys are making great comparison videos! Great bled between power tests and subjective information like blade change, comfort, vibration, feel, etc. Thumbs up!
Thanks heaps
AvE made a video about how that Makita was built on another level. I bought one. It’s lasted 3x longer than my previous Milwaukee Hackzall’s did and still going strong.
Oh that's great info!
That was the non fuel model I love AvE the shit he says scookum lol 😆 he couldn't even figure out how to put together the ryobi nailer lmao ive taken mine apart several times 😂 😅
So your Makita has lasted 30 years? Cause my two hackzalls are going 10 years now and one is JUST starting to give me me problems.
No, that was the black Makita, this is the normal one
@@papasauce234 The only difference is the color.
Great video as per usual fellas. The 7 way screen is brilliant especially when you are talking and it is put in the bottom right for reference, I bet this took a while to edit and process!
Thumbs up and a comment for the YT algorithm. ,👍🏼
thanks heaps Ryan. yeah I certainly put some hours into the editing! I'm guessing maybe 20+
I use the Milwaukee 18v to prune about 3000 olive trees every year, using a pruning saw blade on it, I like it quite a lot. Previous to the Milwaukee I was using an older Makita 2 handed job that certainly got the job done and still works after a few years but the Milwaukee is a significantly better for tree pruning due to ease of 1 handed use.
yep absolutely. and i've found that if the branches are bouncing a lot because they are small, better off without the pruning blade. just a regular wood cutting blade is better for small stuff.
Oh my! Incredible video and comparison. I super appreciate the effort to do all of this. I took the plunge on the DeWalt dcs367 a few months back, and absolutely hate the vibrations enough to put me off the tool. My neighbors Makita recip is night and day difference compared to my DeWalt. I wish your video was available a few months back, as in hindsight if I knew the poor vibrations with the DeWalt I would NOT have purchased it. Other DeWalt tools I love but this recip makes some jobs unnecessarily difficult because of the vibration, and at times ends up eating blades - it's like watching money burn.
thanks for the love Bari. Sorry we didn't do it sooner for you!
Great work fellas team Milwaukee ftw. Use it every day and couldn't do my job without it.
Thanks Skylar 😁
love the value per point score! and the power to weight ratio! thnx guys
Our pleasure!
I own the Milwaukee one like it alot. I do agree with you two that if the one handed saw isn't going to cut it I'd much rather step up to a full time saw.
cheer ben
wasting no time, coming right to the point, you guys rock!
cheers Roman
Brilliant video, very informative and funny. Thanks guys. 😊
cheers Emma
I want to apologize 😔 great test on multiple levels. You guys knocked it out the park. Milwaukee for the win i actually own two of these saws and absolutely love them for small jobs.
thanks branden! we tried our best to help our viewers :) the FUEL Hackzall is a beast, we love it too.
I like every recip. in the line-up. This should be a good one...
Great video, very helpful commentary, many thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Well done review once again. Watched it all just out of curiosity, because its well done and informative. None of these tools are something I would need, though. I'd personally like to see a comparison of the biggest, baddest and meanest recips there are, like Makita 18v X2, Makita XGT, Hikoki Multivolt, Dewalt Flexvolt and the Milwaukee one with the stupid name.
Time and time again I've talked to gardeners & most of them thought that the reciprocating saw was the bees knees for pruning branches off trees on the job, i have the Makita DJR187Z & it prunes my apple tree in the back yard like it's nothing and some of those branches are 3 inches thick. Another top video from you guys, keep it up mate.
thanks Leigh. those are big branches for a recip rather than a small chainsaw. but the 187 is a cracking saw
@@OZToolTalk Plan on getting the 2x18v multi function head and the attachment to do that job, but hey you use what you've at the time.
The larger Dewalt and Makita recipes are not one handed saws! Milwaukee M18 Fuel Hackzall is the winner!
Brilliant comparison Guys. I am converting to Metabo Cordless bigtime already, so I feel vindicated in my choice by your reviews overall.
Brilliant video gents. I’m going for the big Dewalt for the very boring reason that I need power and a somewhat manage size to drag up onto roofs and I’m on Dewalt 18v.
amazing content guys. Thank you. You're 100% correct about using weight. It's not really that tied to real world.
Cheers Nick!!
Great video fellas 🤙🏼🔥
thanks Cameron!
Loved this video
thanks David!
Bosch did tremendously good for being a brushed model, it wouldn’t surprise me if it was brushless and using something like the pro core 4ah battery with the 21700 cells (rather than the 20700 in the 8 and 12ah) that it’d smash the Milwaukee and probably be somewhere between 20-35% worse than the dewalt big boi
Anyway regardless, on price to performance the metabo and Bosch did really well in my opinion
I didn't realize you had the same idea as me
They all work😮
I agree using the smallest battery because that is what these small saws are about weight I have the 12v dewalt hacksaw because it is lighter with a battery than 20v dewalt and they cut same speed
Great vid and really wish you would included the M12 Fuel Hackzall.
Enjoyed the tool comparison test. I have Metabo HPT Drill & Impact Driver & Metabo (Germany) Work Light using a 8Ah CAS Battery. Looking to replace my Metabo HPT Drill with a faster Hammer Drill.
Thanks for sharing
I got into Milwaukee’s tool line back in 2009 strictly because of the m12 Hackzall. Upgraded to the m12 fuel and I think it’s the perfect balance of power, size and weight. The m18 fuel is just too big at the point. You can guess my thoughts on the makita and the Dewalt.
You should have thrown the 12 volt models in.
I don't think you'll ever see us do a comparison of more than 8 tools. And besides, comparing 12V (10.8V) to 18V open up yet another can of worms that I can't be bothered with.
Makita is always great ergonomics in the hand and less vibrations while somehow managing to beat or be in top tier. Did I mention there tools and batteries seem to last forever.
good gear for sure
Another solid vid gents. It's not rocket science. Blade go in, blade go out. What are the important variables for me? Stroke length and speed. Give me the longest stroke and decent speed and you have a winner production wise. The other factors aren't really that important for me as I have yet to need to use these for extended periods. For this category, the D-handles are out in my book. I have the Milwaukees and they are great. Even the original M12 non fuel has it's place as it's so tiny. But it lacks stroke length. Any of these will get the job done though. For the vast majority of jobs, there are better tools than these. But when you need one, nothing will do what they can, where they can. So, they are a must-have tool in the truck. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Mike, couldn't agree more pal
For Bosch not being a brushless tool it held up pretty well
Yep it they oldest in the field by a fair while. Pretty great tool 👍
Sparky here, I love my Bosch. Pop a 9" blade on and it smashes through 150mm HD conduit like butter. If I'm cutting heavy steel, I have better tools for that job.
Well, raw power never was the issue with brushed tools. Power efficiency is where they fall short.
If total tools didn't have total tools working there, they'd sell alot more tools.
The Metabo unit also takes jigsaw blades. A very nice point of difference!
oh yes, we forgot about that!
So is Hikoki
Metabo shoe also adjusts a bit & can be removed, red button on left at the front.
@@MrFullfatt Same parent company so that isn't a surprise.
You can use jigsaw blades with the HiKoki, I don’t know if it’s possible to do it with the other brands… not a bit deal but it’s handy.
Very
Great job boys!! As always.
Would love to see a review of the metal cutting circular saw on the market!
thanks craig
The Hikoki has an adjustable shoe. At least the Metabo labels one does.
I love the videos you guys made over all these years, just wanted to add a correction about the compact Metabo saw. It has an adjustable shoe, with the small red button on the left front of the machine. So the shoe is adjustable in the same way as on the bigger Metabo saw.
Cheers 👍
I find the milwaukee blade change can get hot at times if you working the blade hard
do you think theirs any application where the smaller dewalt would be better than the bigger compact version? (written by a person who after one too many beers has just purchased the bigger one)
Problem with full size is the vibration, very uncomfortable on my dewalt and rarely use it opting for a lower power unit. The mid sized dewalt looks promising. How are the vibrations on it?
i think it's fair to say that none of Dewalt's recicpro saws have class leading anti-vib.
Good evening from mid Tn. I hope everyone is having a great day.
I just watched this video and wanted to say thank you for a excellent job of comparing these saws.
I do have a question if you do not mind.
I have used Milwaukee during my semi professional career doing remodeling and above average home owner jobs.
Because of a major theft I am having to start my tool collection all over again. I have a few Dewalt and have been pretty satisfied so far. My question Is about the one handed unit from Dewalt, the only issues I have heard of is the stroke length, slower to cut. Did you feel is was a issue for a, cut anything occasionally tool?
Now days I only do jobs around the house or for friends and family.
I know it cannot compete with the Milwaukee overall but if I choose Dewalt I can get tool only.
After using the Dewalt do you feel it would still do well enough or should I just go ahead and spring for the Milwaukee.
Thanks again for a fantastic video. Well done sirs.
Edit to add, I have subscribed. I really like your testing and reviews.
hi Randy, thanks for your comment and sub. I think they're both quality saws that have their place. In terms of performance, I don't really have anything further to add than we covered in the video sorry. Dwain
make a comparison video on the bigger reciprocating saw style
Milwaukee hackzall 💪
Very good 👍
Thank you 👍
Been on Milwaukee for a long time and own a lot of their tools and can’t fault them. I even converted makita die-hards over to Milwaukee and they haven’t looked back. They are trying to take over the market and the free tool testing with no buy obligation is fantastic. Also I don’t agree the big dewalt or makita should be in this test
did you not think that we adequately explained the difference in the form factor and by scoring the power to weight ratio came to a pretty fair system of scoring?
@@OZToolTalk I probably went to get another beer at that point
@@OZToolTalk milwaukee fanboy ofc he doesnt listen they just skip to the end of the video to see if milwaukee is no 1
@@homemadelemonade976 hahahah
The Hikoki has the ability to use jigsaw blades also.
I'm wondering maybe that's why the short stroke?
mmm could be?!
The metabo does have an adjustable shoe to the point it can be removed.
I wonder, which saws can take both jigsaw blade and reciprocating saw blade? I watched the video two times yet can't find where you had mentioned it.
we forgot to mention it. The Metabo can :)
@@OZToolTalk opps, I thought you did because I saw others comment about it. Thanks !
Can u please let me know if HiKOKI compact recip is brushless or not ? Total tool don’t mentioned it but Sydney tool said it’s brushless.thank you
yeah it is
How would you change the scoring now you know the metabo has an adjustable/ removable shoe and will apparently take jigsaw blades as well. Would you still say milwaukee leads the category?
yeah i still think Milwaukee leads this pack, but I really like the Metabo a lot. not sure about the scores specifically
Great stuff guys. Best tool comparison channel for sure. My question is. I have a friend who works in a notable tool sales store, has done for about 4 years now, he says the most warranty returned tools, by a noticeable amount, is Milwaukee. Is there some way of implementing this score into your summary? No point in having the best tool if it breaks down after some use.
if there were available, reliable statistics on these things, we'd love to. but there isn't. the problem with the kind of evidence you've provided is that it doesn't have context. Milwaukee are by far the biggest selling cordless brand in Aus. It stands to reason then, that they may well have the highest warranties too. But is their % of returned tools higher than other brands? We don't have that sort of data, and therefore can't comment on it :/
sorry Tony
@@OZToolTalk fair call. keep up the good work.
@@OZToolTalk how about customer service ? Im very interested in hpw difficult customer service is for warranty exchange. Does us no good if they have 3 year " example " warranty if they make it very time consuming to make the exchange, or make you pay high fee to get it done.
DW 367 does have a moveable shoe…but it is pretty stiff (on mine), so you need to set the angle to the work piece before switching on. The blade can be moved 90 deg to cut sideways. Warning: Diablo blades are good, but EXPENSIVE. Vibration: Hoo yeah..it does rattle your bones, not good for day long use imo. If you want to save time and have the best at what it is for…DeWalt, but it will cost you. I love mine. Extra: Warning…these WILL slice sheet goods, but secure the piece well or it will be jumping about and LOUD.
Can I vote for blue hat with hot mustard please guys. Another nice tool comparison.
sire, if you like ... :/
Finally got my tree branches cut using my new saw ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx84IcU5pbZd1Qrz8u4-YRLmJax7kdRi7B , and it was effortless. Then tackled taking pallets apart by just cutting through the nails. Zip Zip, like butter, took no time at all! Absolutely love that you just push a button to change the blade, so quick and easy. I chose cordless because of all the outside projects I need to do, and most are too far to extend an extension cord to. Incredibly lightweight, and easy to handle. I will be using this all the time. There is a reason they call them Sawzalls , because they literally saw all the things you need cut. Once you buy one you'll kick yourself for not doing it sooner ~ Just make sure and buy the right blades for the job you want to tackle. The blades are not expensive, and there are lots of various multi-packs available.
Metabo and dewalt need a slightly better tool warranty (metabo is probably more structurally sound due to Germany made and right tolerances) even if they revert back to a 2 year battery warranty as 3 years isn’t good enough even ryobi is offering 6 years on tool
Wouldn’t surprise me when we get the new ryobi gen from America some people might switch to them for price to performance
The Bosch did excellent considering it's a brushed saw.
I literally just ordered the dewalt xr compact is it worth the money with all the vibration
great for little tasks :) ive been using it for plaster check outs heaps recently.
What is the model # of the Dewalt that won the speed test & the Makita right next to it?
Check the description or the spec sheet
What do you guys think about the Milwaukee 12v reciprocating saw?
the M12 Fuel hackzall is a crazking little tool!
Makita now has a one-handed tool that should be slightly faster than Milwaukee and have less vibrations. The Makita one is ~100 Euros cheaper than Milwaukee, in Europe at least
Bosch pricing seems a bit overstated - currently selling for $99 on Amazon with an additional $20 off if you add an item costing $1 or more from selected items. Great value at an effective $79.
Not in Australia it isn't Mike. But yeah that's an awesome price you can get for a great tool!
Here in germany the bigger dewalt is 220€ in a t stak and the bosch is 115€ in a Lboxx... Biiig difference
massive diff!
Makita does have 5 cell 2ah 18650 18v batteries. They sell them in nth america but not here for some reason.
they have had them for years in the uk.
yeah I know. really weird they're not available here. Makita makes strange battery decisions sometimes.....
I was quite surprised by how poorly the hikoki performed compared to the competition
same
yes surprising, but having the only brushed motor and coupled with the shortest (13mm) stroke length could not have helped. using a saw of any kind with short strokes takes forever.
Can I just be honest... Early adopters like myself are on Makita, and we don't care about these other tools, we just want to know which Makita Saw to buy... Show me the Compact XRJ07ZB vs XRJ06Z and XRJ05Z thats the type of thing I need. Cuz yeah I'm not throwing out 40 batteries to switch to Dewalt they had their chance, they were terrible and I threw them away, not going back. Milwaukee has great tools, but they are late to the party... I have Makita from 20 years using the same batteries... So Grats to Milwaukee for getting a decent set of tools so my dad and others can finally get a clue and buy good battery tools, but yeah I've known how good Makita is for 20 years...
'early adopters' by definition are people who want the latest and greatest. not the type of people who keep the same stuff for 20 years ....
can i summarise your request as, 'I like Makita, please compare Makita tools against each other?'. It's not a bad idea at all.
@@OZToolTalk Yeah sorry, I suppose you are right, thanks for the polite response. I do like Makita, and By early adopter I meant long time ago, I jumped on the more expensive Makita brand and it has been great for me.
@@briansturner no worries Rix
Five of these are electric hack saws while two of them are full on reciprocating saws. Great testing but the large dewalt and makita shouldn't be included as they really aren't one handed tools. Should have only been using one hand during the operation as well to really show the usage.
Come on guys, those larger saws are actual recip saws (just with a different form factor), they should be going against the Milwaukee M18 Fuel Sawzall, not Hackzall! Two completely different tools!! Definitely not apples to apples!
did you actually watch the video? Did we score their raw power?
What about the smaller (not sub-compact) makita?
Makita didn't want to include any other saws.
@@OZToolTalk understand why…….. 😂😂😂
6:20 I have snapped cheap blades flush with holder. Try getting them out. This spring eject is brilliant.
i've snapped an expensive blade at the same location recently!
@@OZToolTalk I can see that. cheap (wood plastic) blades bend. hardened (metal) blades snap. On my old ryobi I took apart the holder before i realised that a neodymium magnet from a hard disk gets it out but also magnetises the holder. Then iron chips stick to it and fowl it up. Aghhhh. C-clip pliers seem to be the best option.
i swear by the milwaukee but the blade change sucks, binds up and need to get the needle nose plires and wd-40 onto it just to get the blade out.
interesting feedback. cheers Ash
Yeah I have that problem with mine. I use mine for cutting PVC for irrigation. I just give it a spray every now and then to stop it from happening
I would have to disagree with what you said about the blade change lever they always seem to get fucked and break after a while. That traditional blade change is much better and more robust in my opinion
Thanks for the feedback
I’ve been primarily using M12/M18 since 2013 but the amount of Milwaukee super fan boys in the chat is too dam high!
What do you recommend for me ? I'm confused
Metabo has adjustable shoe😜
After you sure? Not just a rotating shoe?
@@OZToolTalk Yes the Hikoki and Metabo have adjustable shoe
@@OZToolTalk yes I'm sure. look at 0,40
ua-cam.com/video/2Vgz6B-N398/v-deo.html
@@dennisellegard3257 im pretty upset we missed this! thanks for pointing it out...
Milwaukee, good
Where is the Ridgid ?
I'm going to sell all my makita and switch to Hikoki like a true battler!!
6:03 That lever is gonna be a b*tch to operate with gloves on. I think Makita nailed it, also because you can eject a hot blade without touching it. I have it on two of my saws and it becomes second nature in no time. Very nicely done and certainly faster than the lever system as well.
ah fair enough. cheers
Metabo is best. Can take jigsaw blades too.
I think METABO is not brushless...
Milwaukee is the best for size to performance, Hikoki is the only one to avoid.
If the tools are one handed why are you using 2 hands, obviously not 1 handed tools
Like the longer rant I see you have stocked wood for the winter is that a sine off climate change. Only joking have a good winter.
Cheers Rab.
Dewalt wins because i said so
ok
try leveling the playing field... use the same blade in ever saw. maybe then you wouldn't look like clowns.
We did. What makes you think we didn't? For someone being so aggressive, you should really do some research....