2018 Aprilia RSV4 RF Vs. Ducati Panigale V4 S - Part 2: Street
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- On the racetrack, the fight between the Aprilia RSV4 RF and Ducati Panigale V4 S was so close, it resulted in one of, if not the, closest shootout in Motorcycle.com history, with the two protagonists separated by 0.2% - two-tenths of a percentage point! - on our scorecards. On paper, anyway, the Ducati emerged victorious for a track tool, but it was only our racetrack ringer, Shane Turpin, who ultimately picked the Panigale V4 S - and its $4k heftier price tag - as his weapon of choice. Meanwhile, both Tom and I would elect to save the extra dough and be perfectly happy with the Aprilia - despite what the scorecard says.
For part two of our V4 face-off, we take the two Italians off the track and see what they’re like to live with on the street. As we often see when comparing motorcycles on both the street and track, things we’d often miss or consider non-factors in one environment become major talking points in the other. This is especially true in this case, and our overall scores reflect an even tighter finishing order because of it!
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Aprilia sounds better 👍🏻
Heard Aprilia is coming out with the new model next year, maybe that will change the perspective. Regardless Aprilia is my choice!!
The 2019's were shown at Germany's INTERMOT.
EVERYBODY thought there was an 1100 RSV coming, not the case anymore until maybe November 2019.
I think there even doing full electronic suspension on rsv4
I saw on mcn that theres some images of an rs660, which had a prototype shown last years, its probably going to be revealed at the end of this year... they might also be working on the bigger brother also right? Hopefully but we wont see anything for sure untill fall...
Real question is, do you want a bike everyone has already = Ducati or a bike you rarely see on the road = Aprilia.
The real answer for the road portion ... get a Tuono. Definitely agree on sound, slap an Akrapovic on the RSV4 and call it a day, best sounding bike period.
mrvwbug44 SC Projects or AR for me but yes, it's the closest thing to pure sex on the road. Tuono Factory is probably the best road bike going IMO
Agree with both of you! I own a 2018 tuono factory and I went with the akrapovic, LOVE IT :)
Got a 2016 tuono factory with the akra slipon, took the baffle out, called it a day and never looked back
Comfier than any superbike and just as fast on the street, I mean you cant beat high bars + magic chassis for ripping canyons
Yea, an exhaust and tune is all i needed on my tuono as well. Everything else is just for the look but not needed at all
I agree with everyone above. Just picked up a 2018 Aprilia Tuono Factory strictly for the street, and was more than able to meet or exceed riding with the guys who track their bikes (on the twisty roads). Looking forward to the RSV4 for the track next year.
Every V4 Panigale review is of the S with Electronic suspension. Would like to see one with the standard bike with normal suspension and see how that goes. Price would be close to RSV4 RF. I love both bikes.
This is something we'd like to do as well, as soon as Ducati has a standard Panigale V4 we can test.
Troy Siahaan they do have one base model
I still dont get what they find so difficult about the aprilia TC controls: no need for menu, press index finger for less TC, press thumb finger for more. On the fly, no need of clutch, neutral, stopping looking at the display or anything.
I have adjusted it a couple times at lean on corner exit:
1.feel the tc too early on dry road
2. press with my index finger twice while exiting corner
3. next corner exit feel the back playing a lil bit
5. happiness
Clipping audio all over the place really sucks for headphone users. Also, why was Brent laid off, and why is Tom a former staffer?
I think it's the youtube monetization change. I mean these channels do not really make a fraction of money they used to. That's why everyone is selling stuff and asking for patrons.
The Italians really know how to make a great motorcycle. They look, sound and perform so well, I am jealous.
I own: Aprilia RSV4 RF LE #14
I am so happy and proud!
If I owned a Ducati, I would be too!
one-of-us I’m in the process of getting one but I can decide between those 2 🙄🤔 I like Aprilia but those headlights 🤦🏻♂️
@@georgelamas9563 I have a 2016 aprilia rsv4 RR and i love it...would not trade it for any other bike :)
George Lamas what did you end up getting??? I’m in the same predicament, 1100 factory or v4s?? It’s hurts my head haha
@@georgelamas9563 I have the Ducati V4S and I ride it everyday to school - great everyday bike with some serious power for the track!
How tall are you ? I wanna get one but at 6.1 I was told they are too small
For 99% of riders the Tuono will be perfect for Road and Track. Get that 👍
It's cramped. 1290 SDR for taller guys.
Some folks don’t want a naked bike.
They don't know what they're missing.
Something you guys didn't mention that for me is a big selling point is the dealer network. I'm not sure how many people can say where their nearest Aprilia dealer is and they have been notorious for not getting parts out to their dealerships in a timely manor (although Ducati can sometimes suck at that too.) But for me the lack of dealer network and parts availability puts the Ducati on top.
Yeah, the guy at my local "Aprilia dealer" really wanted me to trade my Shiver in and buy an Indian last time I was there for parts. As if that would make any damn sense.
That said, I've found for most things, ordering from AF1 is faster than trying to get shit through your own dealer. Sucks for my dealer but they aren't the ones with the actual parts stock and they won't ship the stuff right to my house. It's like... sorry you chose to locate yourself 40 miles from town but I'm not taking two hours out of my day to pick up the brake parts that fit 7 different bikes that you refuse to stock.
Parts definitely suck on the aprilia. Eventhough i live only 3 mils from the dealer, but parts took 4 months to get from Italy
Same with mv, network SUCKS.... I wanted an f3 800 RC and was so set on getting it.... I found out it’s so hard to get mv parts and the dealer has a minimum order requirement before they came place the order. what kind of service is that.... now I going to wait a few months more and buy panigale V4
I have an 18 tuono and 19 panigale (call it a mid life crisis) both are AMAZING machines but I agree 100% FOR the street riding nothing beats the tuono, torque is a monster & engine is smooth as butter . The V4 is an animal in its own right but best set up for the track however nothing beats the feeling you get sitting on the Panigale at a stoplight it’s just the essence of coolness
Hope you chilled out with the insanity and traded one of them for a multistrada
I know people will complain but I prefer a true review, such as this one. It truly boils down to preferance. Thanks guys!
We appreciate the compliment!
Sixteen year old UA-camrs produce more quality Audio and video. All this knowledge deserves more production quality.
if it werent for the heat on the panigale, id pick one of those up asap. if the aprilia wasnt so ugly, id get the aprilia asap.
Agreed, if I was with the company providing the audio I would beg them to remove that shout out at the beginning.
Sixteen-year-old UA-camrs produce higher quality grammar. This valid criticism deserves better grammar.
Aprilia is even more exotic in the US, cause everyone has heard of Ducatti
László Labancz it’s a shame to because Aprilia makes an incredible motorcycle. Tuono and RSV4 are awesome
gonzotopia1 I know. I am from Europe LOL. We have lots of Aprilia here
László Labancz they are in certain parts of the US just as prevalent as Ducati as far as sport bikes go. Just about 2 weekends back I rode in a group with 5 RSV4s, 2 Panigales (1199 and 1299), 2 S1000RRs, a monster and me on my TV41100F. It was a Euro group purely by accident . I had only ridden with one of the RSV4 riders before and it just randomly occurred from a Starbucks and later STP meeting. Around here if you have a Japanese bike you may be the odd man out . But we have 4 Ape dealers within an hour drive and probably 4 or 5 Ducati dealers.
saisr1 did not know that. US is a continent size country
I have a '17 RSV4 RF and if I had a dime for every time somebody came to me and asked me what it was I'd be a very rich man. Most have never even heard of the Aprilia brand.
Greetings from the UK, I happened to be in LA with friends when you guys shot the stills/filler shots for some of this, the Italian guy I was with fell in love with that Ducati and you were very patient with our billion questions, thanks guys and keep up the good work, fascinating film.
We always like meeting readers! Hope you had a fun trip to our neck of the woods.
Hi Davey, that was my friend Sean and I that day with the bikes, good to hear from you here and glad you enjoyed the video!
Davey! Nice to have met you and glad you enjoyed the video.
For the Aprilia, I think you can connect the phone app to the bike and do all the setup / and track GPS based TC and other settings and even do data analytics. Seems this whole area was not even mentioned . . . .
For a 500 fee
Just purchased my first Aprilia brand new 18 rf and love it
jh h nice 👍
Same here dude
Just purchased a RF
Coming off a 1299 , I can’t wait to ride and feel the difference between the two bikes
Ride safe dude
@@tnelliott2447 Just purchased a '17 RF, coming from a '04 GSXR600. I was a little worried about people saying it was so uncomfortable but coming from a 600 I haven't really noticed it(i'm 6'2"). Loving the power and torque. Love having some electronic safety features and adore the quickshifter and autoblipper. The Akra can I have on mine sounds incredible too.
Patrick congrats man
They sound awesome
I haven’t rode mine yet
Lol
Another week or so with my climate
I put a Hindle shorty on
Sounds good
Nice and deep
The bike feels comfy to sit on
I’m 5’10”
I also did
Under tail
1 up sprocket
Open flash tablet
And some other small goodies
So I’m chomping at the bit to ride
Glad you guys mentioned the Panigales nuclear heat on the streets, my local dealer says I am the only one complaining about it. My 2 cents - the duc is prettier, the Aprilia is a better over all package, the duc is new and has some kinks to iron out and the Aprilia is the proven old war horse. If Ducati can fix the heat and mirror issues - worst mirrors on any bike, they would have a clear winner but until then I wish I would have gotten the Aprilia.
That Ducati made Troy sound like a teen cheerleader in the initial part of the video!
They are both great bikes! Pick the one that fits your needs boys. You can’t go wrong.
Rsv4 1100...this is heading in the right direction. Competition is oh so good!
The canyon is the famous Angeles Crest Hwy in Los Angeles haha
Ducs good but Aprilia... love it. And for the street: get a Tuono.
For 2019 the Tuono Factory is getting semi active suspension like the V4S, will the RSV4 RF get the same system? If so the Ape gets my vote hands down!
Apparently, yes.
Ducatis are hot. Really hot under the ass. When are they gonna learn to direct heat away from the rider?
once they quit the underbelly exhaust I guess.. It kinda requires the exhaust to bend under the seat
@@codygolub6243 yes it does but it's still much warmer than other bikes. It's just the engineering aspect of it. Did it have to be that way? They couldn't improve it on the V4 after learning lessons from the panigale instead of, "heat sink by the knees".
There is a way to somewhat correct the cooking of the legs on the Panigale by uninstalling the exhaust and wrapping it with thermal tape. Yes, it’s a pain. No, I don’t know why Ducati isn’t able to address this during the design stage.
Sorry but my R1 2008 heatet from the back and the Fans on Front a hot wind,i have dunn close to 40000km on the 1299 and yes the Heat i was fealing only with Jeans.I didn't have that much Problem with the Heat.But for a good looking Exaust Solution Ducati have to do on this Way,otherwise the Exaust will be not that prety.I think a litle bit of Heat dosennt madders if the Exaust looks Bad Ass😎
Thach Ho when you all stop buying a TRACK bike for the street that’s when
You forgot the foldable mirrors on the rsv4
pancakes 4 U mirrors need to come off to make it look better , cuz those car headlights ruined it 🙄☹️
The worst audio I have heard in a motorcycle comparison video. The worst part is that the people responsible for it thought the sound quality was so good that they advertised their name at the start of the video. Jesus.
Gabatron You should watch the reviews from around 2013 if you want horrible sound. And nobody has worse sound than Jay Leno.
The audio was a bit funky in Part 1 but this wasn't too bad on speakers. As long as it's clear and the bike audio is good I'm not bothered. If it was music tracks I'd reconsider but for this it's fine for me.
What jacket is Tom wearing. Loving the color.
Dainese
I had the same question - definitely a nice looking jacket. Doesn't look like Dainese to me.
Found it: Roland Sands Zuma Leather Jacket
Cool. RSD site was the first place I looked but didn't see it there. Guess based on the date this video was posted (2016) it's an older design. ua-cam.com/video/eP-DekyFbEE/v-deo.html
I don’t see how you can write off the $4k difference, that’s a massive amount you can spend on the Aprila to make it even better and correct some of it’s negatives, yes the rich will probably just by the badge they like the most, the rest of us would have to think very hard before spending a extra $4k on already expensive bikes
Aprilia frame and bottom end with Ducati valve train and suspension? Hey, I can dream, okay!😂
Arilia seems like the clear winner as a street bike. Why would anyone choose for street use a bike that gives off excessive heat that is roasting your legs & butt? Comfort & usable fun power is more important than brute power when not on a track...
I wish I could ride either one on that road!
The beautiful sinister look of the Ducati wins me over
I like the Ducati sound, and looks. Plus the technology
2019 RSV4 with 217 ps comparision with V4S please.
where are the other presenter, the banter was interesting and made the video fun to watch
what camera and mic set up are you guys using during the ride?
My buddy has a Panigale R and it's a no-go for him in Florida. Just too hot to ride for any length of time. I think I am going to try the Aprilia.
Why does everyone talk shit about cruisecontrol on superbikes? like "idk if i would ever use it" "it's not really necessary on a superbike" i use it all the time on my s1000rr, it's probably the feature i use most... if i had to go down 20hp to keep my cruisecontrol, i would do it in a flash ;)
The RSV4 has cruise control, I have one and do use it on motorway / highway rides, it is very handy !
I use cruise control on my RF all the time on road trips. I tested the V4 prior to buying the RF and the V4 made me sing for real at 180 in a heartbeat. Yea the RF didnt do that but I felt the RF was a magic carpet in comparison able to dance anywhere you need with precision and poise. I ran from the cops TWICE on the RF on the demo test ride. Having finally escaped pulling the most wicket wheely i was SOOOOOLD on the RF. Its all about feel and yea its magic.
LOL they are both great bikes. Your a winner with either one.
I ride 17 Tuono Fac daily in traffic. It is sublime in any situation on the road. So comfortable, agile, easy, etc. a masterpiece really. Sounds is amazing (I have Akra) and way better than my V4S (Akra as well)I bought 18 V4S as my track bike and it sucks in traffic, practically a torture to ride in heavy traffic. On the open road It is on the other hand feels more special and acceleration is just mental. It’s electronics package is phenomenal once you learn how to use it. In terms of suspension, you really need to soften that rear, take out preload if you are light and it will handle much much better. Tuono feels quicker at low rpms , but at red line it has no chance vs Duc. I feel happy with my combo. If I could only have one bike it would be Tuono. For the track my choice is V4S because it is so quick. I do think RSV4 is an awesome choice for those who wants to have properly built Italian track monster and save about $10K once exhaust and all is done. It is a better value. V4S with Akra and bits is 40K practically, whereas RSV4 is probably 30. If you want ultimate sex on wheels - Ducati is the one. My opinion. Cheers.
These Bikes are so track focused and probably too powerful for the road to fully enjoy them, as most riders will be road weekend warriors so I’d be looking a the All new Ducati Panigale V2 because You’d get so much more from that bike for general road riding which most of us do 👍🏻🇺🇸🇬🇧
In a clear win for the Ducati you guys neglected to mention the fuel mileage. Abysmal on the Ape V4s (Tuono owner speaking) but actually not too terrible on the V4 Panigale. High 30s is what my friend is reporting on his. We rode on Sunday and my T was the limiting factor on our ride.
Literally awesome video
I want your job. Great job guys as it was a good breakdown of the positives and negatives of these bikes. The heat of a Ducati, I had the 959, is a big killer where I live which is why I sold my bike.
Do I take the bike with all the recalls? Or do I take the one with no parts available??? I’ll take my chances on the Duc.
R1_Rebe1 haha 😂
Can’t relate to the recalls
Just coming off a 16 1299, only had one recall in three years
My fiend got a 18 V4s, holy recall , crazy but just recalls and expected for first generation
I have a 18 RF right now, parts don’t think it’s a issue anymore? Especially with AF1 out there and other online distributors and bonus I have 2 Aprilia dealers less than 40 min away
Anyway dude ride safe 👍
Your likely to get a big discount at aprillia, its more like a 10k difference
For the street, it's very obvious that Panigale V4 is the superior machine at the moment. But...
Competition check is coming very soon. 2019 S1000RR and all new CBR 1000RR along with(hopefully) a V4 superbike from Honda aka RVF 1000R.
Great times for superbike lovers.
Can someone tell me the name of the song at the start of this video??
What road was this filmed on?
Basically just pick which one you can afford and which one you think looks better.
I can't afford either but the Ducati is just stunning.
Ze Germanz same here I can afford both but Ducati looks better Aprilia ruined with those car headlights 🤦🏻♂️
if the bike doesn't goto track much, the Tuono will be much better
Just get a 17 Tuono RR, buy aftermarket TTX and revalve the front forks. You get all the electronic you need and still come under the RF cost.
William Ng I agree
Benson Austin Racing my poison
I used Arrow Racing exhaust. DB killer is nice sometimes when needed.
The Aprilia doesnt have LED headlights..?
@@LuckyPause3d didn't they have a redesign or a major update a few years back when it won in superbike category? But yeah, I swapped running light bulbs in my BMW for LED. super easy mod and looks much better
@@LuckyPause3d LED headlights are like $40 a pair and take 5 mins to change so not a big deal
D. Faust she has car headlights 😂 they ruined the bike with those headlights 🤦🏻♂️
What jacket is Tom wearing it's dope
I just really wanna know where you were riding during this video.
Angeles Crest between Newcombs and Wrightwood.
Great aerial shot @13:58
I prefer the rsv4!
both bikes are sexy❤️🏍
V4s Bike of the Year maybe even Decade cant wait to get one waiting for the 2019 model hopefully a blacked out one.....LOL
Aprilia for me !
RSV4 wins! ... "Give" me the Panigale V4 S, I GRACIOUSLY ACCEPT! ... I will purchase the RSV4 without reservation or shame! ...Simply put by a simple man! ... (Meantime I will continue enjoying a 2000 TL1000R tuvm!)
Where is the duke
An exhaust for the Ducati costs more than a 2020 gsxr 600 though
how do you flog a bike.
Great video as always!😍😍😍
Loving the caramel jacket what’s the brand and name of the jacket? Love the video guys.
Roland Sands Zuma ✌️✌️
Thanks much buddy
Is there any point in getting one of these bike if you don’t go track ?
No, but they're motorcycles. And you don't really need any actual reasons to own one, right?
Yes!! Its there only for you to get it! Track or no track!
I'm 6'2'' ...so I'm not sure I can fit on the Aprilla. 😬
Im 6'4 v4 will suit me
I'm the same height and I don't think it's too bad, though my last bike was a 600 so maybe I don't notice it as much. I've only had the bike for a couple of weeks so i'm still yet to go for a lengthy ride.
Now we have the RSV Factory 1100! I know theirs a new champ, hands down!
You guys never did give us your track day lap times.
I love Aprilia for the sound but they have have to get rid of the headlights 🤦🏻♂️ too many headlights what they were thinking, trying to make a race bike with so many headlights 😱🤦🏻♂️
George Lamas right, I still can’t stand that they have yellow halogen bulbs too like wtf. While 600s are now full hid/led and DRLs
For those saying get a Tuono for the street; well, what if someone isnt a fan of naked and wants a fully faired sport bike even for street use?
I think for them bikes like Ninja 1000, Ducati Supersport, Suzuki GSX S1000F etc. make a lot of sense.
However if someone wantes a full-on RR for the street, then still none beat the versatile CBR1000RR. Period.
Great show
The audio quality and commentating was much better this time around but the video quality still needs some work... great content though.
That should mean the 1100 RSV4 should be king!!
IDK , 24 to 28 grand is quite a bit of dinero for a everyday sport bike ! Both are superb machines !
I'm happy that Aprilia is more of a household name now. It didnt used to be that way.
I commute alot, cruise control would be sooo great to have.
I'm so afraid to piss of any bike maker out there, so i'll keep sounding like a commercial for all of them". Great work guys..yeah, not.
Sorry you didn't like the review. FWIW, neither will be happy with the scorecard result in the written portion of the test because it was a tie. They both want to beat the other, but that's the way that the scores shook out.
The issue isn't with who wins. The problem comes when someone loses. Losers are grumpy, and perhaps wont let you borrow as many bikes in the future. ..but way way worse: Loser are far less likely to buy ads. That is bad for business. Yikes.
Aprilia for me, no question. Fact is, I’m not rich so $20k+ for any bike is way too much. I can get a 2018 RSV4 RR for $13999 right now and it’s about 95% of the RF version. Still has the Brembos, the TFT gauges, the 201hp motor, the sound, and stuff like cruise control but it’s less than half as much $$$ as a Panigale V4S. If money wasn’t a factor then I’d I love to get the Ducati but as it is, I’ll take the Aprilia. Picking mine up in 4 weeks!!!
Awesome review boys 👏 basically you ain't going wrong buying either one of these king of the track/streets super bikes. For me I'd choose the RSV4 RF just my preference that's all don't get me wrong id gladly take either and go home extremely happy but if I had to choose one it would be the RSV4 👍🏻 Adam 🇬🇧.......oh what canyon was this you where riding?
That was the famed Angeles Crest Highway.
Evans Brasfield thanks dude 👍🏻 id kill to ride this canyon
I test rode the tuono rsv4 and holy swear words, its super mcnasty fast. At speed it cuts through the wind and flies. First to second quickshift second to third and I was already just over 100 and I said okay this might be too fast for me
Nice jacket bro
Aprilia is good, but I hope it's has more nicer headlights (I'm just nitpicking)
JayPlays 44 exactly they ruined such of beautiful bike with those car headlights 🤦🏻♂️ what they were thinking
Both sick bikes but the Ducati still has shitty non-foldable mirrors that will break off. After owning the Ducati XDiavel S, I have new found respect for Ducati, the power on that bike was so much fun, pulled like a mofo. If Ducati comes out with a V4 Streetfighter I will buy it!
@Demonic Soul he does not like the lack of dealers for KTM and the closet dealer to him was very small and not so likable
Kind of lost all interest in KTM when I found out that their small displacement bikes will be made in India, and mid range bikes (like the 790 Duke) will be made in China after 2020.
Who give a f@#k about mirrors ? Complete bike is a insane machine.
Lol stop bullshitting, you said you were going to buy like 20 different bikes already and you didn't.
Just put some upright dirt bars on a Panigale...lol
Both. Super Rad
Jesus! It would be frightening to lowside off the end of the road @ 14:30
You guys know it was the Aprilia… politics says Ducati.
Hes the only good reviewer
Which sounds the best?
jerryl davis Aprilia
A professional racedriver should do the track tests. Then the difference would be bigger.
If you're trying to make up your mind for the street, take Aprilia. Getting your legs cooked and the finicky shifts suck to live with. The only reason to take a Ducati for the street is to be able to say you have the most powerful (cheater 105 extra cc) bike and the looks. But if that's what matters to you most, you're not a serious rider anyway.
Keep in mind how much engine you can use on the street anyway: both will be breaking speed limits in 1st gear before getting into the meat of the power band and acceleration will be limited by the traction and not flipping instead of the engine.
The shift thing goes away as the transmission breaks in. The heat does not.
Translation: this idiot doesn't like Ducati and wants to take everyone to know it
Great review guys. I test rode both and walked off with a base Ducati V4.
Could I ask that you pronounce Ducati correctly 😉.
It makes my skin crawl whenever I hear it pronounced doo-car-tee.
My Italian wife confirms correct pronunciation is: Doo-cat-ee
Other than that, I enjoyed watching this 😁
Das geht doch nur geradeaus da.Dafür Langt doch ne Harley und kein SBK.
I would say Ducati for the price the bike looks different than the other the Aprilia looks the same as the previous ones
Sounds like a nascar in car camera
can't find another review that finds this close ! ducati pisses the aprilia everywhere! and i love the RSV
The 2015 S1000RR put out 185hp at 1000cc I wonder how it stacks up to the V4? Great review though, keep up the good work..."Yeshua (Jesus Christ) is the way"
So if the Aprilla had more power it would kick the Ducks ass.
i don't like electronic suspension it takes the feel away from the tires.
My take is the Aprilia is the best track bike and the Ducati is best for the street.
Fivespeed 302 wtf Ducati is the best track bikes in the world