Pathfinder: WotR - Kineticist Build - The Blood Weaver (Blood Kineticist 20)
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2021
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For those looking at this guide in present time. Azata magic feats do not work for Kinatic Blasts anymore. Trickster with the perception mythic(improved improved improved crits) and cheat dice are the way to go for most Kineticist builds.
But just for 3rd plus mythic levels?
@@santosflores8679 Oh, right. Yeah. Though I would rather choose angel for the extra heals, trickster mirror image and bonus to skill checks is also good. You don't want to waste turns mid-combat doing anything aside from blasting your enemies.
Man i wish they would add "kinetic whip" form infusion. This would make Melee-Kineticists SO much more fun and viable.
Dark codex mod has it
@@joeynilz8573 also has a lot of other balance breaking things in it though
a lot of KN players want *just* the whip
demon fits very thematically with all the blood powers and blood kineticist generally being evil
I want to see so much how you build the Elemental Engine, and what you think of the power levels of different element combos
I think halflings are the perfect race for kineticist. Their stat spread is decent. But the real selling point is their small size, which gives them a bonus to attack rolls and armor class without the drawback of decreased weapon damage.
im still partial to kitsune for my kineticists. mythic shapeshifter is just such a busted good stat boost
@@mel0_archive498 yeah I wasn't aware of the mythic shapeshifter shenanigans. It feels a bit cheesy, and unintended, but it's undeniably powerful
I love this class so much. New to the game and crpgs really. But I can’t help but want to see how far I can go in the midnight isle with all Kineticists. Thanks for being up diff classes and why you like them. Cause I am going to try everything. Like all doing a 1 point dip for a pet to get a team of mobile artillery
I like to use acolyte background - you can dump charisma and use wisdom for persuasion, will saves and ac with monk dip. If you combine this with human you get 7 instead of 9 charisma and point blank and precise shot at lvl 1.
I haven't tries blood kineticist yet, but combination of earth/fire/water with regular kineticist can make demons regret leaving abyss as well. Bowling infusion (trip) with wall or later deadly earth (can be even combined to magma with fire composite blast) can permanently lock them in deadly aoe that hits without ac checks. You need to have spell penetration for energy blasts, but azata do have feat for that.
If you're playing a Kitsune and take Mythic Shapeshifter, while transformed to a human you get the bonus to Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution.
Yeah, I don't understand why he didn't do that either.
Is that just an inherent bonus? Enhancement?
@@ephemispriest8069 it's just the feat
I'm a fan of the Overwhelming Soul archetype for the default Kitsune. Uses CHA instead of CON for blasts. Its a bit of a late bloomer archetype because of how it avoids burn costs, but the tradeoff is getting an extra point or two early game for accuracy and damage. Like Psychokineticist it pairs well with a single splash of monk (Scaled Fist for Overwhelming Soul) if you want to skip light armor and abuse Mage Armor (+archmage armor mythic). The Overwhelming Soul archetype is also awesome if you do plan to go full Lich since CHA becomes your new CON.
Specially because Lich literally negates your Burn, which in this case is negative levels, since being an undead makes you immune to energy drain
But sadly you can't boost shroud of water if you wanna go melee overwhelming soul
@@crystalcastleyoshi Why not? I don't see any reason why you wouldn't? Shroud is better than the ordinary Shield spell. Mage Armor with Archmage armor mythic is superior to Shroud's Mage Armor. I don't see why you'd be doing a melee Overwhelming Soul. Just go Kinetic Knight. Melee honestly defeats all the purposes of keeping your range and bowling enemies over with Earth/Mud/Metal blasts.
@@AyameAkito I didn't even think of the negative level immunity honestly. Totally forgot about that. With Lich you can entirely ignore your burn's drawback.
@@paperred5128 bc i wanna go lich and upon becoming undead CON score provides no modifiers to infusions/wild talents
And kinetic knight by himself seems worse than the original class
I went with the (Oblate -> Martial) background. Free unarmed feat to get you crane stance for uber AC.
Seems like a really fun build to play.
For some reason, when i use wrack with blood blast the damage become full/half instead of half/ 1/4 . ( And yes, I took into consideration the fact that blood blast does 2 times the normal blast damage)
this class doesn't have red abilities. Literally unplayable. Its blood. Not water.
Edit: Ladies and gentlemen... we got the red!
Modding community, you're our only hope.
Came here to find this out. How is it not red? 😭
After 2 years,... we have blood red blood 🩸
Finally fixed 😭
Hurrah!
ZIppy magic gives you two blasts and at lvl 10 i was dishing out bout 300 damage as a kinetist as i got the lesser kinetic rod and the regular diadem
To clarify the Lesser Kinetic Diadem is dropped from Silken Thread Atelier inside the basement.
good detail and helpful, thanks.
Definitely am considering a Kineticist merc for my 2nd playthrough. It's amazing how despite having so many melee focused NPCs, the 3 most powerful ones are all archers.
Also amusing that the 3rd best trapfinder of the companions is the designated rogue.
The background bonus (for already having the skill) is +1 competence bonus which doesn't stack with items that give competence bonuses.
To be fair the best mythic path for a kineticist is likely Trickster. The critical feats from it increases your threat range significantly and also ends up increasing the critical multiplier as well. Makes a good lock in for those open feats in this build. What Kineticist wouldn't want to critical three times as much for 50% more damage?
If i ever decide to play a kineticist it will be an oread with earth blasts. Other than that I have no idea what to pick as infusions and talents
I have just finished the game with a build representing most closely a Horseman and it was Epic..
Dualwielding, I was able to cause between 35 - 225 damage with each strike whilst dualvielding... and +52 to hit on level 20 (not including bonuses from challenge and any debuffs on enemies)
The whole build was made to cause as much fear and shaken as possible and benefiting from it.
Bloodrager - Bloodrider - 1 / Fighter - Dragonheir Scion - 9 / Cavalier - Gendarme - 10
Bloodrider because it provides you with Draconic Bloodline and extra Mount Speed
Cavalier Gendarme because of the mount and the Build is quite Feat Hungry (Gendarme has extra Combat feats)
Dragon Heir scion to be able to get some use of your swift action via Arcane Strike
As mythic Path I specifically aimed for a Lich because:
A) Attacking shaken and feared enemies means you Get profane bonus to attack and damage
B) Charging enemies and staying close to them Reapplies Shaken effect onto enemies.
C) Cavalier uses Charisma for Extra Attack from challenge, Liches Health scales with Charisma Instead of Constituion
D) You can kill and Ressurect Ciar as an Undead Cavalier, making him an Ideal Undead Tank that can Keep up the pace
E) You can corrupt Radience by Using it to kill Yaniel. This gives it +5 and some very spicy Bonuses (Like another life), in addition it also allows you to use Radiance as your phylactery for the Lich.
F) Lich can heal himself with Weapon attacks for the damage he does with 1 to 1 ratio..
G) You need 0 constitution making it a dump Stat, and after you become Lich you can respec once and get Every single point from Constitution out of it...
Key Feats:
Dazzling DIsplay as prerequisit (I did not actually use it but Draconic presence does not suffice as a prerequisite)
Intimidating Prowess
Dreadfull Carnage
Shatter Defenses
Boon Companion
In case of Dualwield I also Recommend to take Effortless Dualwielding which allows you to Dualwield Longswords with no penalty and use Finean in Offhand.
Since you are going to use a Longsword (Corrupted Radiance as phylactery) you have a choice between Heavy Shield, which also allows you to take feats like Mounted shield increasing your mounts AC... Or to dual wield and its feats.
I saw your video on the state of builds and tried this build on lower level on Unfair all the way to Drezen...
There is one thing I would recomend on Unfair and that is, since you want to go For maximum profit from Constitution, it is a good idea to Slap on the heaviest armour you can find (Encumberance on mount does not matter) and Since you need to dump constitution right away I would recommend a reach weapon Instead of Dualwielding...
One more thing.. I found out it is better to take the Daredevil mount and Stack his Constitution, rather then Making him Undead with your Mythic feat.. Since horses start with lower Charisma then Constitution..
does anyone know if it does actually scale off charisma for the Lich when you turn undead??
What are some good mythic feats and abilities after kinetic overload and ascended element?
I'm new to Kineticist (ele engine). What I'm curious about is the Legend path.
I haven't gotten to it yet, but while the Kineticist has some pretty meh feats, doesn't Fighter have a bunch that'll increase your damage if you can level to 40? Particularly the advanced weapon focus and crit feats that are locked to fighter?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding it?
Hopefully in the Ele Engine guide you go into the infusions. It was really stressful choosing which ones to pick given the lack of information on her internet about them...
Great vid, thanks
Looks good, could you do a build for lich?
One quick suggestion, I would put your highest ability at 19 usually, unless you're legend mythic path, cause you only get a boost at even number stats. Cool guide though!
Super weird question. Beyond the build being awesome, where did you get the art for the thumbnail? It's like a perfect fit for the vibe of the role.
I usually scour wallpaper websites for art
Good guide! Seeing the lawful evil Azata hurts. Someone's going for the devil path I think :).
I am using a Blood Kineticist as Tank in my current Core playthrough: Activate "Fighting Defensively" and just spam "Wrack" to ignore your lowered to hit, "Kinetic Blade" as backup. I also diped 1 Level of Stigmatized Witch for that +2 AC hex and to (with mythic feat) get two Oracle’s Curses for better saves against illnesses and to be unable to be flatfooted. Also mage armor (from Witch) so I can use Archmage Armor at some point.
how dows fighting defensivly work? you have to attack, to be able to get its bonus. does wrack qualify as attack in this sense?
@@mahe4 it does not day that you have to attack...
@@Tomrash but you only get the buff when attacking. it even has a buff icon besides your portrait.
thats why i'm asking, if wrack also activates this.
Well it... does NOT work... damn it. Thanks for the hint.
@@Tomrash no problem. it was too good to be true :D
Should we be leveling up con or dex in our point allocations?
Dex, you can get more than enough con from items, whereas the dex bonuses have no real limit for this class
I'm currently specing into the Cavalier Gendarme class, and I've been wondering which Mystic path I should take. Personally I was thinking Legend, Angel, or Gold Dragon since I can stay mounted and still get a majority of the path's effects. Any suggestion or assistance would be much appreciated.
You could go azata. It gets some good melee abilities and once you hit mythic rank seven you can mount your dragon companion and get all the bonuses from Gendarme.
Legend is probably most powerful. 20 extra class levels of your choice is just very hard to compete with, can be +20 to hit from just BAB increase alone. Azata can ride their dragon and can comstantly share all their teamwork feats with all allies and summons. In that sense it's like a cavalier+. Also gets a lot of crit build and melee.benefits but weaker defensively. Angel has a very potent passive defense aura to everyone that eventually reaches +6 ac and all saves. At higher ranks you give everyone double haste from sword of heaven rank 7 though its limited to minutes/level/day i think. Gold dragon probably weakest for a mounted class? I believe you have to transform into a dragon yourself. Also doesn't grant much benefit aside from three feats you can take without meeting prequisites.
Tldr I'd say legend beats anything always if you know how to build well, azata is better offensively than angel but weaker offensively, gold dragon seems very meh.
Are you going to be doing an Elemental Engine build? You mention recommending it for going to the harder difficulties but I can't find any builds that use the EE subtype.
Probably at some point, but I'm not in a huge hurry. As a quick overview though fire into earth element, deadly earth infusion and ascendent element fire asap (lv 13 for deadly earth) and then spam magma deadly earth blast at things at the start of combat and then use regular magma blast most of the time
@@MortismalGaming oooh good to know! Thanks! I wasn't sure if the dual element infusion would work with EE as somewhere I read said there was an issue in wrath forcing you to choose the same element so you were locked into it. Looking forward to trying this. ^.^ Thanks for the reply. Your videos are awesome, and having fun watching your wasteland playthrough currently.
What would you suggest for Mythic Path now after the Zippy Magic nerf?
I'd probably still go Azata, or with some changes maybe Lich
Thinking about a Kineticist for a 2nd playthrough. Been messing around with a Mercenary Kineticist in Chapter 5. For those who have more experience with the class, what benefits does the Blood Kineticist have over a core one?
Wrack. Dont sleep on wrack, reduced damage but basically a guaranteed hit, and with the azata zippy magic super power it'll hit two enemies
@@MortismalGaming Nice! I went Angel -> Legend in this playthrough, but thinking about Azata for the next one.
Sorry, I have to do this. *ahem*
BLOOOOOD WEEEAAAAVER! I BELIEVE YOU CAN ME THROUGH THE GAAAAMMME!!!
Question: Want to go Blood Kineticist, Dhampir. This uses Con, but when one goes undead, Con is no more. How this affects?
Ah, it was mentioned. Thanks!
Is this better a a ranged damage dealer then an archer for unfair ? I have an alchemist that uses true strike on wenduag but, would this guy or the elemental one be better ?
for unfair I'd go with an elemental engine kineticist who hits touch AC. Its hard to hit anything on unfair with regular attack rolls
@@MortismalGaming In your opinion, would one be better then let's say Wenduag until lvl 10 ?(I really want arue)
Pretty sure there's asimar and teifling heritages that give +2 Dex/Con
Nope
Could this build be a good base for Swarm that Walks?
Swarm is mostly just toggles that work with everything, so yeah
I wanna like this game but for me it keeps getting a Unity error and the game Is constantly crashing :/
Just curious, I noticed you didn't take spell pen, any reason why? I have noticed while playing my Elemental Engine Kinetisist will have their blast do nothing because they fail to overcome spell resist. I am thinking this only happens to the elemental blasts though and not the physical based ones (And I am using cold/blizzard strike exclusively)
Spell pen only affects energy blasts, this uses physical until like lv 15 where you can pick like one energy blast
@@MortismalGaming Awesome thanks for confirming my suspicion!
Your older builds from beta are still good or better don't use them? Please do an Inqusitor build :),
Bookmarked for when the blood gets patched into the blood kineticist
Charged water blast is cool and all, but it just doesn't feel right
Yeah I was disappointed they didn't color it red at least
@@MortismalGaming it honestly seems like a bug, its even labeled charged water blast in the action bar and has the cw icon, even though there exists a blood blast icon
Gold dragon would probably be a bad idea for any kintecicist since (when I tried at least) although you can cast blasts, you cant gather power in shapeshift form.
Is this even possible to play Fire kineticist in WotR? I mean, is there is some trick to still do dmg through all this fire resists, which every demon have?
You can pick up ascendant element as a mythic ability that lets you bypass all resistances and immunities
@@MortismalGaming Thanks
Don't one of Aasimar give you dex and con as bonus stats?
I checked all of them, so unless I overlooked it no
No, there isn't a single race I think that would give a bonus to two physical stats, it's mostly either two mental stats or one physical and one mental.
Guys can I ask two fast questions about kineticist in WotR... First one is: In WotR if you have weapon focus kinetic blast you can not use dazzling display even if you get it from your flame element feats. It says you need favourite weapon. I assume this is either a bug, or a new change. Since you are using kinetic blast, but your weapon is technically unarmed... So you have to waste 1 more feat to get weapon focus unarmed and then you can use dazzling... Now the question is, if we don't get weapon focus unarmed, but we continue this path and get from our flame feats dreadful carnage... Will dreadful carnage proc dazzling display, while we can't actually use dazzling display due to lack of weapon focus unarmed? Second question is, if I want to play blue flame kineticist, after I get ascendent element fire, the console no longer shows me trying to overcome spell resistance... Does that mean that I no longer need feats like spell penetration and greater spell penentration, assuming I plan to use only blasts and not spells from mythic paths?
Blood blast that looks like a regular water blast.
Please tell me this is a bug that will be fixed and not a feature.
It would be a shame if you have the cool blood kineticist mechanics but don't look like one.
Last I checked Kineticist is still bugged in turn based as in you cannot move action gather power and standard action blast properly in one turn. Which is sad as I really want to play Kineticist and only wish to play turn based.
You can see me do it in this video. I believe there is a bug with gather power high in turn based, where it has to cross turns though. I havent had any problems with gather power low which is the move action and using my blasts in turn based.
@@MortismalGaming Maybe I will try it again today, but last time I tried gather power low was not working for me.
Random: Half-elf sub race kindred raised let's you bump charisma to 14 before applying your 25 ability points buy.
22 charisma from game start.
Playing around with it.
But... why not just use human? You get the same stats with an extra skill point and an extra feat which allows you to start with Precise Shot.
Because I was trying to do something fun, not everything has to be optimal at all times, but yes the extra feat is very useful
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i think a lot of people sleep on the wrack abilitie. im hitting for around 250 a wrack guaranteed every round. with a good tank most boss fights in the game are a joke. im in act 3 by the way
There's a bug making wrack do more damage than it's supposed too
Tbf, you can also bypass a lot of the endgame high-AC bosses with deadly earth. A base kineticist using deadly earth with empower and maximize and a composite blast can cause a lot of unavoidable damage, the trick is just making sure your companions don't walk into the literal death zone. Nor you, as cinematics often leave you there, which is very annoying. There's a boss, can't quite remember which one, with 72 AC, I firebombed them with plasma deadly earth, done in three rounds.
@@MortismalGaming goddammit
@@Naedrelian what difficulty? I'm looking for an unfair build and that sounds like it might do it.
@@sapmak Haven't yet tried beyond normal difficulty, but... I think you could do it. Earth/fire/water kineticist with at least deadly earth, and possibly bowling infusion. Mythic powers help to increase the gather power strength and allow double infusion. I went for gold dragon, but it doesn't seem like the damage boost from d6 to d10 translates to kinetic blasts, so I'd advise you go azata.
Okay bloodblast deals pretty good damage on a single strike but it just cant hit at late game no way how do you get more attack roll i have weapon focus(mythic one aswell) point blank ,precise, haste ,greater invis(this doesnt even work if enemy has some feats from blindfight tree),Greater heroism ,30 dex, my attack roll at 18 level is 37(with invis bonus) on core difficulty im having like %50 chance to hit an enemy on a single strike turn. Physical blasts doesnt look viable end game and energy ones can hit but now you have spell resistance to worry about meanwhile dealing lower damage, i just cant think of a reason why not sorcerer instead of energy or any archer instead of physical blast kineticist
50% hit for endgame is not that bad. It's certainly not unplayable imo. However, i think the developers want you to utilize buffs and debuffs from different classes to help you het better numbers. Seelah's group smite evil, mark of justice, adds her cha mod to everyone's to hit and her level to damage for the entire group against an enemy up to six times per day. That can be a +8 or 9 to hit for everyone on its own and bring hit from 50% to 95% per hit. Evil eye hex gives a target -4 ac that cannot be saved against or resisted if you combine with the cackle hex. Both ember and camilla have it. Archers can pick distracting shots as a mythic ability which lowers an enemy's ac to melee by 5 just for hitting them once per turn. Any cleric or inquisitor can pick the community domain through the impossible domain mythic path and use sacred hearth to give everyone their wismod on attacks and saves for an entire combat. All of these stack with eachother if desired and grant like a +18 to hit and -9 ac penalty to the enemy. And thats excluding mythic powers, spells dat deal dex damage or disable enemies and special items that further lower ac and such. This alone already ups your hit rate from 50% to 185%.
@@dieuwtjin I tested it on last map of the game on my lich(witch) play through with mercenary. First of all %50 hit is horrible for end game if you are doing 1 attack a turn.%50 is pretty good if you are doing 7, with slayer archer(delamere)with same buffs(except greater invis) i was doing 6 attacks a turn with haste with %50 hit rate each arrow hits 50 (150+ if critical) meanwhile empowered maximized blood blast deals 200 damage with %50(was even lower on enemies with improved blindsight ,i cast greater dispel(or 9 level lich dispel) on buffed enemies or enemies with true seeing not even taking that into consideration).
i like the idea of this class but so far i am really bored cause it feels like i just have 1 skill , just spam it , where is strategy behind it , those blasts all look the same not even red pls
This class really makes my blood boil
брать кинетика крови и использовать воду... лучше бы рассказал за умения крови , которым не нужна ловкость
If only they replaced the blasts name and animation to be red
Pretty sure they did in one of the updates since this
I watched this video and decided to make a human kineticist, but looking over the subs I went with a psychokineticist and named him Aiken Drum (Julian May reference). And I can't say at 4th level in Act 1 that I'm loving it. Cambions resist magic for his fire attacks, the damage even with 4/4 burn isn't that great, etc. I'm hoping at 5th he gets another 1d6 and with the empower feat can boost the dmg output a bit more, but I'm now really tempted to try a tactical leader after watching that video.
I'm never going to finish this game and it's all Mort's fault.
Did I just see a lawful evil Azata? Wtf?
You can pick any path with any alignment and don't get the quest to change your alignment until after you take Drezen.
@@user-927ov1vj3o Oh, I'm fully aware, it's just the strangest combination of alignment and mythic path I've ever seen. The only thing stranger I can imagine is a chaotic Aeon
Kind of sad the kineticist got no synergy on any mythic path.
Klavicus (Spelling )Aspect w/ bowling from Demon and Negative Energy blasts from lich are both nuts
Azata zippy spell lets your bolts hit two targets i think.. not 100% sure.
@@franklinxavierdixon2231how does it work with kinetic?
I thought was cool class cause gets healing abilities😂
Why don't you just pick human? You can even pick +CON instead of +DEX and get an extra feat and skill to boot. Human is by far better than Kitsune in every single way.
My intent with these builds is to pick stuff that is fun for the broader audience and not what is strictly 'the best' but yes the double feat allowing you to pick up point blank and precise shot right at level one is pretty great
Too vanilla
@@t2av159 I dunno, I for one appreciate quality more than novelty.
It's a shame that your abilities just look like water or ice instead of blood, it kills the fantasy.
Kinetic whip is again not on the core game, which is stupid. many things the kineticist needs to shine are not added, therefore the class cant be multiclassed or take advantage of even 1 point in another class. which branches out to the crazy numbers they have added to the elemental combination. BUT WHO AM I TO COMPLAIN LOL.
this game is too much how on earth are you supposed to traverse the mountain of text obscure class diversity some sort of joke if you ask me waste of 43 coins and the bugs every time you get into a dialouge of any kind the game just stops for 30 seconds for a laugh then engages dogshit
lol
get gud
Yeah, faithful table top adaptations into computer games are mostly for theorycrafters and people who think Excel sheets would be a fun foundation for a game. Completely kills and misses the whole point of the tabletop, and includes mechanics meant simply to allow a group of humans to quickly get through crunchy stuff without needing calculators or computers. I do love the stories of these games but we need more games like Divinity Original Sin that stop trying to copy mechanics never meant to leave the table, and from tabletop games that are 90% about the people, the GM-curated freedom, and the moment to moment experiences.
There's a reason no one's talking about Wrath of the Righteous, but everyone's gushing about Tales of Arise despite JRPGs traditionally being so niche. You actually get to play Tales of Arise while followingt he story, in Wrath you have to constantly maintan a lot of bullshit in party and crusade and sigh every time your super optimized group gets a fucking bad roll on something because fuck dice, as Larian is VERY quickly learning with all the slaps to the face their community is giving them about being too faithful to DnD and sucking up all the fun.
If Wrath was the product of a GM at any table I've been at, he probably wouldn't have anyone coming back on day 2. Love the story but shit, I'm not reading a book here, would love some kind of headache-less engagement and challenge that gets me excited but half the time any problems is just do tot he RNG flipping me off. What do you do to that? How doy get better against pure chance? You don't, you just hit F5 and do it all again.
I really love Wrath's writing but I don't think I'll buy their next game and will just read story summary or watch youtube. Much better RPGs, CRPGs, and JRPGs that actually feel like a game.
To be fair, most of the rules are a near 1-to-1 lift from a 10+ year pen and paper rule book, itself largely based on a 20 year old version of an other tabletop book. The math has been done by a lot of people and has been known for a long time, it just need to be adjusted to the game setting.
I would recommend Mario 64 or sonic the hedgehog if this type of RPG is too complex. 😅