Makes me think of the recent interview with lily rose depp where she dramatically downplayed the impact of nepotism on her career. Like being 5’2 and walking for Chanel at 16 is something anyone can achieve 😒
I was asked to model for a well known boutique in New York some years ago. For context, I’m a Black Latina woman who ranges from sizes 12-14 but I am 5’8” with a more proportional hourglass figure that is deemed as more “palatable” to these sorts of photographers and fashion people. When I got to the shoot, they wanted me to model a range of different items that did not fit well or were outright a size xs and asked me to take off my bra which made everything look unflattering imo. To make matters worse, they paid me in free clothes from their store instead of in real money (which isn’t rare in the fashion world but it’s sad). When I returned to the store to redeem my free items for the shoot I did, they didn’t even carry any clothing items in my size. I say all this to say that a lot of brands like these recognize that using curve models of color for their advertising gives them the appearance of being inclusive and diverse, but they do not know how to style these body types, how to photograph us in a flattering way, and oftentimes they don’t even make/carry clothes that fit the sorts of women who they’re pandering to by using our likeness. It’s almost like they’re using the aesthetic of the plus/curve model to market to thinner women and excluding the very demographic who they’re exploiting to promote their brand. I can’t wait to start my own brand and put all these companies to shame 💁🏾♀️✨
@@user-hc2tu7ul7j I don’t wanna oust them ~directly~ because I do have friends who still work with them but honestly I’ve experienced other brands doing similar tokenizing things, just not as egregiously as this one…
So true! It's annoying as hell to see a model my size on a website for example and then get to the store and they don't have anything that would even vaguely look decent, and I'm not even that large
Hey Mina! Henry Ford was a US industrialist and founder of Ford Motor Company. Gerald Ford was a president of the US in the 1970s. But Henry Ford was never president. Just figured that was worthy of clearing up.
I had to double take when she said that, and then look it up to see who actually implemented the 8-hour workday. Apparently it was Henry Ford who brought the workday from 10-16hrs to 8hrs in 1914.
He was the president of US company Ford Motors so calling him a “US president” is technically kind of correct but not in the way most people would think
I didn't focus on details, just though "wow the President had such power then? Imagine these days trying to change the entire labor market like that." Now it makes more sense : )
I 100% developed my ed because of the impact of the topmodel shows. The whole concept of your life being amazing when you're thin enough was just wild in the late 2000s/early 2010s
@@noellebarnes6826 I’d argue that the new thin body trend isn’t really heroine chic, as that one focused on being thin all over and having little to no curves, and what we’re seeing now is just the IG baddie look downsized (being really slim but having a super low waist-to-hip ratio, a relatively big butt and looking toned rather than emaciated). Either way, neither of those is realistic or achievable for most people.
I hate that people blame their choice to stop eating and create a disorder on the fact that thinner, more beautiful ppl exist. Take responsibility for yourself.
i respect the og 90s supermodels (and also a few working today)so much for their work and discipline, i just find it sad that today a lot of the “highest paid models” are just nepotism babies who don’t necessarily have the talent and work ethic of other models who woupd deserve the fame more
The model industry is coming full circle kind of. Before there were living mannequins taylors would show their designs at the manors of their rich clients and the models would usually be the daughters or other women of the family. It wasn't considered a job at that time.
Hollywood has always favored nepotism. Just in the 80s and 90s, the elites were bored of each other and wanted to introduce “the average” person then. They got bored of that, and went right back to their roots
I used to model part-time to make some extra cash for college. The industry brought about self-image issues I didn't even know existed. I hated not looking white, was ashamed of my arms, etc. I eventually stopped modeling and my self-esteem has slowly improved since. Such a cruel world we live in. I feel for all the impressionable young girls out there.
I actually wanna be a model when I grow up a little bit more and become more prettier, hopefully I survive in this industry, (i dont mind advices or tips about the Modelling industry :>)
@@user-yl2ef1wn9q I'd say my biggest advice in terms of mental health is to keep up with activities that aren't modeling. I rock climbed a lot. It's good to focus on things that you can challenge yourself that don't require you looking at yourself all the time :) In terms of industry tips, I'd say find a photographer who can take some really good headshots of you. I think a good headshot with little to no makeup is really important when it comes to applying for agencies or for a modeling job :) I'd also work on getting into an agency if you can. If you're looking to do editorial, I'd highly reccomend looking to doing something drastic with your look like dying your hair, etc., because those models tend to be less "conventional" looking. ^___^ hope that helps!
@@iconbabyxox Hi :) I don't mind at all :) I did commercial, fitness, parts (hands/feet, like bracelets, rings, shoes, etc.) and print modeling. I did a runway event once, but it's only because my best friend was a runway model in the event and they were desperate because someone was out with the flu 😂 I'm not tall enough! Only 5'7-5'8. Hope that helps :) These days, whenever I need extra money (I'm in grad school) I will do parts modeling. I don't feel confident or comfortable anymore to frolic around set in a sports bra or let someone pile loads of makeup on me, but that's just me :) it was fun when I was younger but the idea of someone telling me to suck my stomach in on a set of 15 onlookers is just not what I wanna spend my time doing anymore.
I had a beautiful black friend in Middle School, Randie. She hated her skin and preferred my oily blemished skin meanwhile I was envious of her dark complexion and how effortlessly smooth her skin was. We live in a world where we all envy each other sadly.
I have to clear up any confusion about the usually correct Mina's statement: Ford did not "introduce" the 8 hour workday. The labor movement fought for years, even paying with their lives, to fight for the 8 hour workday. Ford was just the first industrialist to *implement* it.
My mom was a "departement store model" and this is actually how she met my dad. My dad was hired to take pictures of the fashion show and he had a suspicious amount of pictures of my mom. Their bosses then hooked them up and they got together
I was obsessed with model Fei Fei Sun for a while. Girl is stunning and a supermodel in my book. I don’t remember ever seeing a Chinese model represented with that kind of caliber. She was the 1st solo Chinese model to grace the cover of Vogue Italia. But I think she’s now semi-retired, and also gave birth in recent years. She’s still very young and can make a comeback. The Asian powerhouse models in the earlier days include Devon Aoki, Kimora Lee Simmons & Yasmeen Ghauri. You are for sure an it-girl Mina!!! No cap!!!
I feel like the reason people respect older models is because a lot of them back then actually had unique walks and seemed to look so gorgeous in a natural and effortless way whereas supermodels now are mostly nepotism babies (think kendall jenner) who live off being mediocre models and don't really have that much of a passion for fashion although there are still some models who are actually distinctive to make things interesting (think bella hadid)
You're using the world "supermodel" too loosely. All what people associate Kendall with is the Kardashains and even real models say that she sucks and doesn't even try.
You forget she bought her face and got into the industry through her mum,she looks good but I don’t think she’d be a model if it weren’t for her connections and plastic surgery (although I do think she worked hard to spite her mother who definitely seemed to favour her sister and pressured her into a nose job)
@@elliezzz7812 I sorry to tell you but that happens in most jobs. I'm an engineer and some of the best jobs in my field go to people that have those kind of connections. It's also easier for a young girl that is pretty because maybe she had some procedures to be promoted than a "normal" looking woman. The world is corrupt not just the modeling industry but of course you'll see it more in highly paying jobs that don't require much skills like modeling and acting for example.
@@libelinhaa2079 i'd say acting definitely involves good skills, especially to be a good one but modelling is definitely not as difficult. a good walk is hard to come by these days though.
The modeling industry is literally hell according to my mom she modeled for five years but quit because after a bit her job became being a pro sttitute for rich celebrity men. its crazy how often it happens in hollywood and politics. If you’re an actress and you aren’t born in a rich family you have to work your way up by selling your body. I wanted to be an actor for so long but, unfortunately had to change my mind.
The term “Supermodel” is used too loosely in my opinion. Only after Bella Hadid’s Coperni spray dress did I consider her a supermodel. There has to be a “Wow” moment while the model is modelling for me to consider them super
Getting your billionaire daddy to buy you an entirely new face in order to get work should automatically exclude you from supermodel consideration, imo
I’ve said it before but modeling died because the only people who can afford to go into the career nowadays are untalented nepo babies and spoiled rich kids. I see TONS of super talented, gorgeous people who would make amazing models but unless they are plucked from obscurity Cinderella style, there is no way the majority of people can afford to be a part of the industry. (I honestly think the same about acting and most entertainment/news/govt industries etc but I don’t think they are as bad -yet- as modeling has become)
I agree with this. In this world it’s so hard to survive. Relying on beauty is a BIG risk. Modeling seems like a joke job UNLESS you are a big name. And all the big names were already rich. They don’t need the income, but they make the most.
I agree and I started when I was 13 and by 18 told I was getting “too old” but I ignored that and now the only shows that allow my size 4 requirements only want certain races so I just quit after struggling for a few years and unpaid.
Dude, I was a model in the 90s. That was the weirdest portion of my life. Some of the highlights were acting as a body double for more famous models in ads, and rubbing lotion on my 17 year old thighs for a cellulite cream commercial. Life is.
her videos aren’t exclusively about fashion, though - in analyzing modern culture (media, fashion, etc.) she also brings in rich analyses of class, race, and gender to establish the social conditions around the topics she chooses. her videos on the old money aesthetic, victorian women stealing clothes, and her reviews of the met gala outfits each year come to mind. she’s incredibly thoughtful and nuanced in her perspectives and understands fashion as a product of its social and political contexts, and she deserves credit for all the work she puts into her videos!
In French models are still called mannequins (same word also for the object). And it's not seen as dehumanizing at all, it's just the same word applied to two different things if that makes sense.
You are right. I still think that using an object's name to address a woman/woman's job is rooted in sexism, though. It's used to dehumanize women in a politically correct passive form (like expressions such as “beautiful thing”, "quel canon", etc.). Do we have similar examples with men? I can't think of any as I write.
@@hokko274 Well, a male model is also called a mannequin, even though it's true that people tend to think of women when they talk about modelling, since the industry is dominated by women.
@@tillie_brn True! Apparently, the first "mannequin" was a man, too. "The word mannequin comes from the Dutch mannekijn and means "little man". In the Middle Ages, when Flanders was the center of sewing, women were forbidden to appear in public. The function of showing the new creations fell to the pages, the mannequins, these "little men" Around 1775, the word also designates a person without character that one leads as one wants." It's still rooted in sexism, but not as expected, haha.
yup, we say "maneken/manekenka" too, however it is not the name of the object here, the doll in the display is just called the "doll" and "manekenka" is a human! So I actually thought growing up how weird it was to call the object mannequins by a human name haha - language, man, it's wild :D
As a photographer, I see the most promising side of the industry being influencer marketing. People deride influencers, but the truth is, influencers come in all shapes and sizes, and most of the influencers I've worked with are more or less normally-shaped people who really know their angles. They show off what clothes look like on a variety of bodies, and there's no talent agent breathing down their necks when they gain or lose a few pounds. I don't see editorial/ runway modelling going anywhere positive any time soon, but at least we have an alternative for people who love fashion and love creating fashion content, but don't want to dedicate their whole lives to gyms and dieting.
The model industry is definitely not for the faint of heart. People tell me all the time I should model but there’s a lot of risks and instability that’s revolves around it. Also what I’ve noticed also since Im from NYC It’s really important to have develop an image of yourself on social media you basically have to become an influencer/celeb just to continue having a consistent model career unless (you have a trustworthy agent in your corner ofc) I believe that’s what the tiktok in the beginning was referring to as well.
Honestly I regret not having tried modeling, and now I'm too old as I'm in my 30s now. I found it scary and toxic back then, but it's also exciting as it's part of the art world. I heard from a friend who was a model that all the stereotypes are true though, like the prevalance of drugs and EDs. But still, so many people want to model but it's still very exclusive in terms of height and size, so it would be an interesting experience to get to do it. I think you have to be secure in terms of body image though.
Omg, yes, the influencer part! I was interested in modeling a year or so ago, and when I was researching agencies, some of them required you to have at least x number of followers. And girls on the Interned who model explain that you should have a professional looking account (either use your personal one or create a new one). And I never got that, because I’m sending the agency photos of myself, they can already see me. And if I have a portfolio, then I’ll send it as well. Anyways, it’s just really frustrating that you could be a great model but without followers, the agencies won’t even look at you.
@@ellixrose2650 depending on your appearance you could still do some commercial modelling since it's not only teenagers who get featured in ad campaigns and such
same i was going to model but I'm still not sure if its the life i want, the job is extremely taking and the only people who get highly paid are nepotism babies and only a very small percentage of other models. and i don't like how you have to rely on social media to get a job basically its like you either want a model or an influencer please pick lol
Can I just add how plus size models are rarely styled properly as well. The straight size model will be posed with a French tuck and a blouse a size larger to make it baggy but the plus size will be given their actual size and no tucks so they look different (I think worse) than the intended style. Plus sized clothing is often shapeless and then even with it isn’t, they don’t size up for the model to make the blouse look like it should.
Tbh I was feeling physically ill when you were quoting what people say is the "it factor". It's capitalism and the patriarchy coming together to form such a toxic environment. I love fashion and fashion history, but the modeling industry is definitely one of the worst parts about it.
I had the same reaction to a video I came accross recently, an extract of Beautopia about the rise of Kate Moss (ua-cam.com/video/yu7-0_7ajJ4/v-deo.html). The designer describes that he's looking for "a young thing", then adds "Kate has that quality of child woman thing that touches a nerve with men especially that's always on the edge a little bit." Toxic is almost an understatement.
@@hokko274 I mean yeah she was discovered at 15 and posed topless at that time, which is EXACTLY what propelled her to fame...Imo you can't become a model then or now without doing something like that. Your body is literally not your own, that's the job.
I think there's a talk to be had about designers' unrealistic expectations of bodies. I have a model friend. She was hired for a fitting. I just want to point out: she's plus size and she has a pretty much perfect body. Like the kind of body that looks like a doll or a mannequin. The garment she was supposed to wear fit her perfectly. The designer walked on her, looked at her like she was a piece of meat, and flat out fired her because he decided her body was not right for his brand. I don't care what y'all think, this will never be fair. and I say this as a designer myself: giving us the power to design our models, instead of just our garments, is a slippery ass slope.
True, i aspire to be a designer in the future and one of my goals is to have normal body types as much as possible and as different as possible to mode the clothes I'll make because clothes are made for real normal body types
You are 100% correct. The average model is very young and may make like $5,000 a year from modeling jobs. Also this industry prays on the models just read 90's supermodel Karen Mulder's interview. No one is spared. Interview excerpt below re: Karen Mulder, who eventually had a nervous breakdown and ended up being committed. ---------------- Swimsuit Edition, and she became a Victoria's Secret model. There was a Karen Mulder doll, made by Hasbro. Mulder dated a racecar driver, she dated Prince Albert II of Monaco, she dated a real-estate developer named Jean-Yves Le Fur. They broke up, but it was still Le Fur who picked her up off the floor of her Paris apartment and called the ambulance in the winter of 2002, after Mulder attempted suicide by overdosing on pain pills. The suicide attempt and the coma she would lie in for two days following it came after Mulder had told the press, "From the beginning, I hated being photographed. For me, it was just an assumed role, and in the end, I didn't know who I really was as a person. Everybody was saying to me, 'Hi, you're fantastic.' But inside, I felt worse from day to day." It came after she laid a formal rape complaint in France against Prince Albert. It came after she said, "My job distracted me from my worries. It enabled me not to be myself, to pretend I was someone else." It came after a notorious appearance on French television where her various claims - that men at Elite had raped her, that she had been coerced into having sex to garner better contracts, that Elite had used her and other models as sex slaves in a ring that extended through the top echelons of French society, implicating politicians, members of the police, and other top officials, that her own father had raped her, that she had been sexually abused by a family friend from the age of 2, that she had been hypnotized and raped, kidnapped and raped, and raped some more - were regarded as so potentially libelous that France 2 not only never aired the segment, but destroyed the master tape. No matter: In a series of more-or-less coherent magazine interviews, Mulder repeated most of her accusations, and added that her agency had encouraged her to use cocaine and heroin. She told the Daily Mail, "They tried to turn me into a prostitute because they thought it would be so easy. I was raped by two bookers. I reported them and they were fired. Another time I was shut in the office of [a high-profile man from the modeling world] for a whole day. All these people who betrayed me I used to love very much. Then I realized how big the conspiracy was. It brought in the government and police, who both used Elite girls. People have tried to kidnap and poison me."
@@sarithajagajith6568 great way to ignore the whole point I was making, but good for you. Perfect bodies do exist in today's society. We have beauty standards and some bodies adhere to them better than others. That DOESN'T make it fair but to pretend they don't exist - especially in the context of the fashion industry - is equivalent to putting your head in the sand and ignore the problem. My point Is that designers have been shifting from shaping the clothing on the person to shaping the person to fit their clothing - and it's beyond beauty standards, beyond toxic, beyond bad. As a designer I think it's our responsibility to shift back, and actually design clothing for anyone who wants to wear them, no matter what they look like. Selling a fantasy is crucial to the act of designing - otherwise It would be called crafting. But to include a specific body in said fantasy is dangerous. Bodies aren't fantasy, bodies are very material. I personally don't believe in this kind of argument for any cause - nitpicking One word from an entire argument to say it's wrong and ignoring the whole point. But everyone has their own way
Yasmeen ghuri was an amazing model of the 90's but many say she quit at the height of her career. Tyra Banks even said she had the walk of life. Totally one of my favourite 90's model
I dieted so hard in anticipation of NYFW that I permanently damaged my gut and developed acid reflux (amongst also developing a really unhealthy relationship with food, exercise, and nicotine). I also haven't gotten paid for any of the shows I did for nyfw ... its been 3 months
Wow that checks out, I read that skinny people/models/(what someone called "attractive people" problematic!) are more likely to have IBS. Makes total sense if dieting can lead to permanent gut damage~! It was hard to look up studies on this cause google deems "diet" as an only positive word...but I found a study that "Up to 98% of Eating Disorder Survivors Have Gut-Health Issues" so wow again!
This video is so informative, thank you ! I don't know if you know Gia Carangi, who is often considered as "the first supermodel", before the 90's era. She should have reach the same level of fame than Cindy Crawford (who came after her and was nicknamed "Baby Gia") but she died of AIDS in 1986. Her story is fascinating on every level. Your video remained me that she is often erased/forgotten in model history, even through her looks continue to inspire models to this day, like Kendall or Kaia Gerber. Btw, you have to know that your content reach every part of the world, I'm french and you're indeniably, my fave youtube creator ! You're truly brillant, keep going shining star 🕊️💫
She hasn’t been erased. Calm down. They literally made a WHOLE movie about her life called GIA played by Angelina Jolie. It’s called time. She was big 40 years ago. That doesn’t mean she was erased… cry harder
@@maverickbull1909 erased by modern history dude youre literally malding at every comment do u even understand what's being said on this channel or do u just like to be a general nuisance cuz u dont seem to understand anything, ur reading comprehension skills arent great bestie
totally agree with your "it girl" stance. they still very much exist, it's just more difficult to pick them out among the growing number of celebrities and influencers that are popular now
I know this is off topic but can we just talk about mina's channel growth ✨. I didn't even realized she reached 1mil subscribers. I remember being one of her first viewers, absolutely captivated by her editing, research, and her fashion looks. Love you sm
Thank you for bringing up the power of Nepotism and the unfair advantages of accessing the best surgeons and best PR possible to attain a high paying modeling job. There is a reason why Naomi Campbell refuses to call Bella Hadid and Kendall Jenner “supermodels”, while also supporting up and coming excellent runway models with the look and presence of Sora Choi and Adut Akech
off topic rant: In my country next top model and other model shows are like a family show, everybody is watching and talking about it. The judges are insanely rude to the girls, extremely agist and every season in the first round of auditions they flat out MOCK any girl that doesn't fit outdated American 90s beauty standards even though the show has only Balkan and Mediterranean audiences. Plus if they do pick a girl with like three stretch marks, 2 zits or a visible surgery scar they act like they are true altruists giving chances to the less fortunate. I'm pushing 30 but this can't be healthy for young girls to see.
@@Avellania yes exactly, on project runway the producers make a point to be inclusive and all about fashion. I have been watching since season 1 and they have improved so much that it proves next top model could have done the same thing but choses not to.
We have India's next top model here in India, and it's the same lol , literally oversaturated with fair -skinned girls , but with an exception of a single dark-skinned girl , the judges think that they are so woke , non - judgemental and cool for including one dark-skinned girl loll
Watching this as a full time model is very interesting, I work with both high end fashion brands and do ecomm/commercial work. You give a good perspective into how an outsider sees the industry and I really enjoyed learning about the history. However, there are some things mentioned that are a bit exaggerated (in reporting or whatnot) or aren’t really true to the job. Models can go into one of those two categories of commercial or high fashion/editorial, but this is not the ideal for an agency to do- the ideal for most models is to do a combination of both kinds of work. The modeling industry has become overpopulated and I guess that does drive down incomes, but there are so many agencies now that cater to more amateur models that don’t make much money/those agencies exist solely to exploit models financially, so it brings those stats down on income. Most models I know are making a pretty good income, those that aren’t are being worked by their agency in pretty exploitative ways (driven into debt, pigeonholed into low paying work, agents just aren’t pushing enough to get their models work) Frankly, nepotism isn’t as big of a threat as its perceived to be from the outside, rather the biggest threat is a newer fresher face that’s more fitting with the times. The industry is always in search of a new fresh face, absolutely unknown, literally every season. Also young girls do not work anymore in western markets.. Every girl is over 18 at least, which is great. I was kind of hoping to hear about 2000s era modeling that really exploited young girls, sometimes coming from poverty and leaving home at very young ages to become providers for their families. This shift to stricter regulations around age is huge. Also, most models are not told to change their appearance drastically, it’s very rare actually, since agents know these girls won’t make much money because they lack range. Instead, most girls are worked to have a range that can be editorial and commercial; a girl that can do both is going to be a money maker. Personality and interests are also massive factor as you mentioned, agencies typically want multi faceted girls with interests/hobbies outside of fashion. Also I was hoping to hear about the current state of modeling and how the idea of exclusivity to brands is still very much a thing and key to a certain kind of career but I realize this is not really public knowledge.. There is truly so much about the industry that is not shared at all so I’m not upset at how it’s portrayed, but it’s way more nuanced than the standards mentioned in this video. I can’t speak to plus size modeling as I don’t know much about it. In terms of bodies agencies can be so scrutinizing from city to city, for example London agents can be really harsh with measurements while Paris agents aren’t as much, and NY agents barely even take measurements. The job has made me aware of so many things I never wanted to know, I’ve become insecure about things I never even realized before, like my height, my proportions, areas of my body I dislike, measurements, muscle tone or lack of, etc.. And I had issues with body image/eating years before I ever began working. I had no idea it could get worse lol:) it’s too much self awareness for a person to experience. Still, I’m grateful for all the creative people I get to work with regularly, I’m meeting new inspiring people all the time, other models are typically great, and I get to travel and see things I otherwise wouldn’t. There are a lot of different kinds of modeling so of course I’m not saying I know everything, just felt like responding, love your videos Mina x
Models from Siberia are recruited as young as 15, which shouldn't take place, as they aren't adults yet and should finish school first. There are two documentaries that feature the girls. It's good that there are still some agencies that don't exploit their workers. Can you give me a full list of good modeling agencies that you know?
I just want to take a minute to appreciate that you actually type out the closed captioning for the entire video so that it's accurate. So few creators take the time to do that but it makes a huge difference to those who need it
I did some very low-level/local modeling as a pre-teen, which included classes from my local agency. I was given "advice" like "don't make too many facial expressions, they'll be wrinkles some day" and "don't do activities that could result in getting a bruise bc then you won't get hired." As a child, it's very hard to hear (essentially) "don't have fun or be a kid!" The industry is also super predatory for children - telling them they're "in" but then requiring parents to pay thousands for comp cards, suggesting you go on "casting cruises" put on by large bookers, etc. They know you're not going to be a professional model, but you're a source of revenue as much as you generate it.
@@samaraisnt I never went (my mom wasn't keen on the idea thankfully!), but they sound VERY suspect in hindsight. As a kid, I thought it was a great idea 😅
3:56 A bit of historical context for “mannequin”: King Louis XIV, arguably one of the most fashionable men & monarchs in Western history, was the driving force behind making fashion one of the primary, if not the premier industries of France because he realized that fashion can be a form of propaganda. Kinda wild to think of fashion that way for us nowadays but it makes sense. Louis XIV knew that courtiers across Europe looked to other courts on the continent yo help dictate what their own kingdom’s/empire’s court dress should be so they could be seen as their own independent governing power. So to compete with Spain & ESPECIALLY England given their long contentious history, Louis effectively tied a good chunk of the national economy to raw material cultivation, textile fabrication, garment making (hello, beginnings of today’s haute couture!!), etc., so they could readily export all these products he would make be seen as valuable and drive up demand for by establishing a very highly aesthetic, super detailed (if not stringent) court dress to set France apart so when courtiers of other nations came to French court, they would have to get French clothing and then they’d take those clothes back home with them. So with the fashion industry developing as quickly as it did in France, they needed to have people wear the clothes for fittings when the courtiers were out of country and to have illustrations, which were paper/art propaganda pushing the sartorial propaganda, made that could be kept in historical records and sent off to the rest of Europe. And those people were called “les mannequins,” from which also comes the name we know as the inanimate objects we see in stores today, as well as the French word for “model(s)!” So shout out to politics & King Louis XIV wanting to be a gilded peacock🥳
yooo i did NOT know about this. i only really learned about louis xiv like, the butterfly effect of his contribution to the french revolution, the nine years war, and the whole deal with the spanish succession. do you have any books or resources to recommend on this topic, like other videos? i adore history so id love to learn more!!
@@nabihahasan240 I'm a huge history buff too so I always love it when there's overlap between it and fashion! I'm gonna reply to this comment with links to a few videos as well as some articles too!☺
VIDEOS: 1. "Fit for a King: Louis XIV and the Art of Fashion" lecture by Kimberly Chrisman-Campbell, posted on Getty Research Center's channel : ua-cam.com/video/2oXRapMFpfg/v-deo.html 2. "How Louis XIV Used Fashion" by Azealea Aloe Vera : ua-cam.com/video/jPsGxjKW2wQ/v-deo.html 3. "Fashion &... Versailles" by Scott Schiavone, posted on Fashion &... channel : ua-cam.com/video/H-_0I0I-nxA/v-deo.html 4. "The Important Influence of Louis XIV | How to Get Ahead" by Off the Fence studios, posted on Real Royalty's channel : ua-cam.com/video/z69fNsM62VY/v-deo.html 5. "Louis XIV: The World's Longest Reigning Monarch | 1715: The Sun King is Dead" posted on Real Royalty's channel : ua-cam.com/video/gSMkdx7VKsU/v-deo.html
ARTICLES (I can't provide links to them because YT removes the comment, so I'll say exactly where you can find them, whenever possible): 1. "The King of Couture: How Louis XIV invented fashion as we know it" by Kimberly Chrisman-Campbell, posted on the The Atlantic's online archive, originally published September 1, 2015. 2. "How Louis XIV Revolutionized Power Dressing" by Ciara Fitzgerald, posted on Medium's website, originally published on December 28, 2018 with an updated version posted on December 30, 2018. 3. "Louis XIV's Use of Fashion to Control the Nobility and Express Power" by Sarah Barringer, published in 'Primary Source' Volume IV: Issue II (pg 21-25), available as a free PDF with the file name of "2014 - Spring - Sarah Barringer.pdf." 4. "King Louis XIV -- A Fashion Developer" by Charushila Garat & Sarita Raut, posted on textilevaluechain .in on May 24, 2019, under the tags 'Research/Review Paper' and 'Textile Articles.' 5. "1701 -- Hyacinthe Rigaud, Louis XIV" by Juyeon Kim, originally published on January 15, 2018 to fashionhistory. fitnyc .edu, with an update on March 16, 2018. 6. "The Baroque Period in All Its Grandiloquence" by abigailwestover94, originally published on April 7, 2012, to historyofeuropeanfashion. wordpress .com, and can be found under tag 'louis xiv,'
I've always wanted to be a model since my mom was a fashion designer and used to model her creations with her friends (they weren't shows huge we literally live in the countryside lol)+ she also wanted me to become one, so it became what I usually daydream of or fantasize about. Watching this felt like Mina was speaking about something very fond for me, even though I don't really have any experience in the industry.
I never had body image issues until I started modelling at 16, everyone in the industry was so toxic about weight and what to do to lose more weight. I had to stop after 2 years for my mental health
I… I’m wondering what you thought would happen? If you wanted to be in the NFL would you be upset that they wanted you to have a certain BMI and amount of muscle and weight? Pro athletes obsess about weight and fitness too. You became a model, a job that is totally focused on body image and weight… yet you were shook because your weight was a focus?? Sounds like you didn’t do any research and want to blame an industry for your issues in fitting in properly.
that sounds really difficult--when you're that young, it can be really easy to absorb hurtful beliefs, especially from people who you admire or want to impress. thank you for sharing this, and i hope you're finding more positive ways to relate to your body!
@@maverickbull1909 No it's not the same at all not men shoehorning their whataboutism into every issue that affects women much more than men...male atheletes are NOT starving themselves, being encouraged to not eat, and getting organ wastage due to these negative behaviors. One is about peak performance the other is about how fuckable a teen is at the detriment to her health. Atheletes are coooooompletely different, and lest you forget THERE ARE FEMALE ATHELETES! They also bulk up and obsess about performance/diet. *It's not the same!*
It is so interesting because whenever I watch the 1939 Joan Crawford, Norma Shearer, and Joan Fontaine movie, "The Women," I kinda get a glimpse of what modeling was like back then long before the 60s and even way before the supermodel era. The industry is definitely very complex
@@gigitastic90 The fact that they shot the sequence using colored film stock while the rest of the movie was shot in black and white is fantastic and mind-blowing, to me. My jaw dropped when I saw the way they switched colors for the fashion show. I also love how this was one of the first chick flicks to have ZERO men on screen, lol
@@rebeccassweetmusic4632 FIT has a really interesting article on The Women ( it started as a play!) and the remake musical from 50s with Joan Collins . They sold clothes based on.the movie in department stores. Its fascinating. I would Love Mina to cover thus ICONIC fashion film and its designer Adrian
This video has brought to my mind yet another vlog topic I don’t have time to try and tackle but the weird intersection of amateur online Modeling, sex work(no shade) and Cosplay that lowkey made the cosplay community so much more toxic and competitive than before you could ever dream of making money doing it. Really was not something the community needed but the format and all the expectations were straight up pulled from the modeling industry. The way it feels pressure to be a certain type of unrealistic anime girl body type if you’re gonna bother posting Cosplay pics online. I’m hoping to start my vlogging arc next year so maybe I’ll be able to get to this one!
Do a video about the latest nepo baby pretending it's ONLY hardwork and denying privilege : Lily rose depp. Top Model Vittoria Ceretti called out the unawareness and deniability around privilege that so many of the nepo babies have and now an insane amount of models are backing her up and telling their stories!!! Diet Prada made a post about this and even industry big names like Naomi Campbell were agreeing with the sentiments of frustration Vittoria expressed. Love your videos btw!
I am a tall ginger guy who gets “scouted” for modeling quite a bit but never once thought to do it because I know how much it will fuck me up. Toxic world
I always found it interesting the perceived higher value of editorial modeling vs commercial modeling. I signed to a model agency last year and was SHOCKED at how much more money there is in commercial modeling vs editorial modeling. I was asked if I wanted to take part in an editorial for Vogue Germany and it would have been completely unpaid for 2 days worth of shooting. I hear from friends that walking runway shows pay almost nothing or they pay you in clothes.
Hey Mina, just wanted to make a couple of corrections. While Worth is credited with creating the first fashion show, it was actually the designer Lucille Duff-Gordon who began original "fashion parades" inside her home. Worth was just the first one to publicize the idea, so he ended up getting the credit for it. Also, Henry Ford was never president. You're thinking of Gerald Ford. :)
My grandmother was a fur model for a department store in the Midwest (I assume in the 30s or early 40s prior to her marriage but I’m not sure). She also did window dressing for them, so that certainly suggests the pay for modeling alone was not great. I do have a newspaper ad for the store, featuring her. I wish I’d been able to ask her more about it. Also once early in my acting career I was working for an “acting and modeling” agency and they sent me on a runway call for a small designer. I am 5’3”😅 When I got to the building I rode the elevator with a bunch of Amazons who were like, “what brings you here, Earthling?” And I was like, “A mistake, clearly.” Fortunately the designer was very very nice and even had me try on a dress and walk. At least it fit me! Obviously did not get the job though.
the way that you speak and script your videos makes it so easy to remember all this amazing information.i learn more from you than i do from my teachers.you are so incredible,my favourite youtuber forever and always.thank you a million mina
Just a sidenote, could we stop spreading the popular myth that Henry Ford introduced the 8h work week. He didn’t. Unions did so and fought hard for it in 1884. Ford adapted and made it more accepted decades later - but we have to thank unions for it, not Ford.
I love how you always go into the history! That was very interesting to listen to how the modeling industry began - and even in the 1800's a model needed to be tall & thin. Since I was 13, people told me I should model so I took a stab at it in my late 20's after losing some weight (Which was inspired by Fashion TV and ANTM). I was hungry to learn posing, the walk, and make new connections, but the agency I signed up for made us do a 6 month class. We did start to get work and I realized that I wasn't well-suited for fashion as most models get started in their teens. It's actually a compliment, because as you mentioned, runway models are meant to look more edgy, almost alien whereas commercial models are more like the hot girls. Even for some local fashion jobs my hips were considered to be "too big" at 36", which still looked small on my 5"9" frame. My agent said I should do commercial work since I had the look and measurements. The issue was I couldn't book days off from work to do these commercial fashion gigs - my partner at the time tolerated my modeling, but he didn't want me quitting my job to do it. I switched to another agency and the agents there were far more serious and realistic - they said I had the most potential in the catalogue industry and she gave me a tangible plan to get me to Montreal and possibly even to NY fashion week! By that point I had lost my enthusiasm for the industry and realized I didn't really have the personality for modeling as much of it is being personable to network with people in the industry. As a final attempt, I tried hair modeling and realized that many of the stylists want you to sleep with them and party with them to get more jobs. I met a stylist who wanted to work with me independently and said he could get me a lot of work. By that point I was 29 - very different from the girl I was at 27 - and I realized I didn't really want to do it. That said, I'm so glad I tried modeling, and it was a great experience for my life's story. :)
@@nabihahasan240 For commercial fashion I couldn't quit my job to go to any of the jobs- most are during the day such as Roger's Fashion or for fittings and whatnot you had to be flexible. I found the catalogue/commercial industry was abit too serious. I got into it wanting to be more edgy lol. Hair modeling definitely had the edge but I realized in reality I didn't really enjoy modeling as much as I thought I would. And I mentioned in my other comment in hair modeling the stylists wanted you to party with them and it felt really creepy, like when they'd pick skimpy outfits for you.
I love that video by julia fox saying that there are no short brown models in the industry and i was like yes queen say it!! I have this fantasy of being a runway model but I''m sooooo short lol I walk down the streets pretending I'm a model idc 😭
well, she is also the host and face of "germanys next topmodel" and therefore one of the major reasons why especially young girl don't feel good in their bodies and many develope eating disorders. there was just recently a MAJOR discussion about that and many people want to cancel it because it is (scientifically proven) to be extremely unhealthy for just everyone. Also there is in general a lot of shady problematic shit going on behind the scenes of gntm, making Heidi not much more of a sympathetic character...
omg i used to watch project runway with my mom too- like apperently when i was baby i used to crawl and watch the early seasons with my mom😭 looking back now the show is probably super unhealthy to be in- forced to make entire outfits and sometimes small collections in a certain number of hours seems extremely stressful, but when i was a kid i just liked to admire the clothes and the fantasy of the runway
@@orangentage that will never change. Now you can see morbidly obese models in runways and magazines so it's just a different way if glamorizing a different eating disorder. They went from glamorizing anorexia to glamorizing any kind of eating disorder and thinking that makes it ok 🤷🏻♀️
I’ve been a “mid-sized” model for three years now and it’s not easy for anyone in any body in this industry. Having your worth and pay be determined by whether or not clothes fit you and how good you look in photos is extremely damaging. Even when I was modeling for mid sized pieces they were also always way too big or way too small and every shoot I’d have someone tell me I either should lose or gain weight it’s so exhausting.
I'm a part-time model from extremely humble background and, to be quite honest, I am happy that nepotism is more prevalent than ever. People in the media industries are mistreated to such an alarming degree that having that safety net of money and connections does a world of good for the well-being of these individuals. I understand how from the outside looking in it can look like the decline of an industry but if humble talent comes at such a devastating price, is it really worth it? Designers used to prefer their models as impressionable as possible, taking hopefuls who didn't speak enough of the language to know they were being taken advantage of, overworking them and malnourishing them to the point of fainting on runways and resorting to hard drugs to stop their body responding to this torture in a natural way. The guy who was recommending a Nutritionist, Dietician, Personal Trainer, etc- the vast majority cannot afford that . These problems are still prevalent but to a much lesser degree and I don't think this is a terrible thing. As a rule of thumb, before entering any industry (media especially), you have to be certain that they need you more than you need them or you will absolutely be taken advantage of in one way or another.
Wow, this perspective is really interesting! I really never took the time before to think that these privileged kiddos are actually protected from so much of the exploitation that others would go through.
I think that people should stop with the nepotism and taking advantage of "peasants." People should just evolve and become better people. Good people should be hired. I know that it sounds utopian, but since we have evolved from the Middle Ages, were they, e.g., burned people and normal people lived in inhumane conditions, we can all evolve from now and become even better people and eliminate cruel people. (I know that not all countries don't burn people, but at least some became more civilized).
@@Minty_Aqua we try to fight our fight every day, but these bad people usually have no qualms going against all human decency to keep their money coming in so that makes them scary and unpredictable. It's very easy to be idealistic but until you've worked in the industry, you don't know how truly evil the people at the top are. They try and make it seem like it's just a few people making the industry look uncharacteristically bad but it's not. It's inter-woven into the structure of the system and to disassemble this structure, it requires an entire upheaval and starting from ground zero. This is something none of the powerful, wealthy investors are willing to do. The most successful models are often one of three archetypes. 1: (veteran) the one who doesn't take any shit from anyone and already has a rough past and isn't scared of old rich white men because they've been dealing with them their entire lives. They often get misinterpreted by press as a 'diva' because people who aren't models don't understand you have to be on the offensive at all times in this job. 2: the people-pleaser(rookie): usually marketed as a small town sweetheart who can do no wrong. They just seem happy to be there and will remain as agreeable as possible to maintain what they know is a fleeting chance at success. Models are most impressionable when they're new to the industry and still have stars in their eyes. Once something bad happens to the people-pleaser type or someone dear to them, they will either become more withdrawn and eventually leave the industry or become the 'diva' to survive 3: what's-his-face's niece (nepotism baby): usually go for a california cool or parisian image and hang out with smaller, more humble talent to soften their image. They grew up in this world so they don't have to be taught much apart from how to walk so very cost-effective with high returns. They have an easy-going attitude from years of having a safety net and that makes them nice to employ for the most part and the designers can get press from their famous relatives turning up to shows. It's more low-stakes for agencies to hire nepo because they're less likely to become a problem for them in the future. From a business perspective, it's a no-brainer.
@@inactive120 How would you change the system? I get your point, but maybe someday, good people will appear in those higher-up positions. All we have to do is just hope. I know I do. But I understand if you don't.
AAAHHHHH Ashley Mears was my sociology professor!!! she was one of the best professors I ever had and ignited my love for sociology. I love that you mentioned her!!
I spent my entire work day on my feet steaming clothes for a photoshoot the brand I work for is having tomorrow and after an hour and a half of traffic hell I was thrilled to see a new Mina video waiting for me. As someone who has been involved in the garment industry since I was a little kid (my mom is a clothing designer so I spent a lot of my childhood running around trade shows and helping out at photoshoots) it's always been so strange to see this glamorized image of what people think models do, vs the reality of it. It's insanely competitive, can be very toxic depending on the environment, and of course there's a ton of racism present as well. That's not to say there aren't any good parts because a lot of models do genuinely enjoy their work, but I really liked how Mina summed it up in this video. It's getting really difficult to make enough to support yourself even if you're just getting into low level catalog type stuff vs high fashion. It's not what it once was, and with the rise of influencers and so many nepotism babies around, it's only going to get worse. But anyway that's just me rambling. Ty for the video Mina!! Super interesting, loved it as always
learning the history of modeling and why the standards are the way they are is interesting because i grew up watching ANTM and that show literally teaches and perpetuates the standards of the industry
I'm surprised you didn't talk about "America's Next Top Model". It's interesting how popular that show was, but nowadays Tyra Banks gets cancelled repeatedly when people talk about how harmful the show was to the models. The crossover episode they did with 'Rupaul's Drag Race' made me feel like they needed to use the show to help them stay afloat since RDR was and still is a hit. Andre Leon Talley and others were on the show too and it was interesting having that, and then also having celebrities like Nikki Minaj. (Miss J is still the best 💛)
Mina I love the way you break this down with so much insight and confidence. It’s people like you who will bring in the new era of defining fashion and the industry ❤
Ashley Mears is actually a former model herself, so it's interesting that she went into researching the modeling field. I've read some of her research about this particular 'look' in the editorial fashion modeling field, where she explains why models look a certain way. It all boils down to industry conventions, based on the ideal look of aristocratic sexual unavailability - which is a mold only extremely thin and white, young women fit into. And nobody in the field has an incentive to change this, so things just stay the way they are.
I feel like something in modeling that really needs to change is the height requirements. 5ft9 is much taller than the average woman. Also, the same weight/proportions looks very different on different heights, so having only super tall models just makes the thin proportions look even more extreme, creating impossible standards for shorter women to conform too. If the clothing is good, then it should look good regardless so the body type of the model. Quality brands should have models of all sizes and heights.
That's why I love shopping brands that show a big diversity in models! It makes me way more hype about the clothes, and I love seeing all the way people can be beautiful. Big Bud Press is great for this, and tbh Teddy Fresh always has really interesting people as well. Also it's so much more fun to fantasize that I could model those clothes too. I think I'm way more likely to buy things when I can see myself modeling them on the website, rather than just looking at a bunch of people I'll never look like.
Its more like 5 7+ and the point is that they're taller and the clothes drapes better on the taller model. Male models also have to be above average 6-6 2 and yeah we need more POC and size inclusion. Honestly eveything needs to change... I get you're probably short and it made you think of this but it's not like someone can change the race they're born with either and the societal implications of racism are much more impactful imo than being short.
I feel like we had another supermodel bloom at the height of the Victoria's Secret days. I'm really curious to know your insights as someone signed with IMG, being a shorter model and how that affects the way you're perceived. Great video as always.
I'd say the pressure to be a certain size is the worst this is why a lot of models develop eating disorders back in the day models could get away with being a size 6 even a 8 now the standard is a size 2 or smaller
Now there are even morbidly obese models in magazine covers and runways. It's not like the accusations at the modeling industry about promoting eating disorders didn't exist in the 90s remember Kate Moss? Even Heidi Klum talks about how she put on weight when she arrived in the US and had to lose it so she could work. I don't think some of today's models are that much different from the 90s they just look more natural because they weren't having has much plastic surgery and not everyone was a model. These days everyone is a insta model, you can see reality tv people, actors and singers on the runway or an influencer modeling clothes in her own social media profile and that is in my opinion why we don't see models in that super star light anymore because it has became something anyone can do.
@@libelinhaa2079 ? Um honey no for high fashion modeling the standard is very much a size 2 or smaller I'm talking about fat women being used by white LGBT people to push an agenda I'm talking your typical working model who's going on go sees in Paris Milan New York City London etc the standard has gotten smaller to compare them to nineties models is a bit ridiculous I mean if you Google Cindy Crawford Christy Turlington Naomi Campbell they at least looked like real women with curves they looked healthy nowadays the look is scary skinny just UA-cam search any runway show
@@Model_Roe you are only picking a few 90s models. Naomi Campbell and even Tyra Banks weren't exactly curvy they are really small as well. I grew up in the 90s and I've been hearing the attacks at the modeling industry and how they promote not only food disorders but also drug addiction mire entire life. Remember the 90s supermodels smoking and doing drugs? You won't see those images on UA-cam yet they exist. Kate Moss was known has Cocaine Kate for a reason and wasn't the only one. Heidi Klum has mention in a few interviews how she gained weight when she arrived in America and how she had to lose weight to continue to work so the pressure is still there. She was mostly a swimsuit model before she lost some weight so she could be on the runway same with people like Gigi Hadid who a few years ago was too sporty looking for the runway.
I saw a photo shoot in NYC in the early 2000’s. She was thin, maybe a size 2-4, but in the back the dress was sliced open from top to bottom and held together with big clamps. It was so funny to me. Back in the day, Supermodels like Naomi, Cindy, Christy, Claudia etc we’re chosen for their real biological faces. Yes, models have always been touched up in print but models didn’t become “IT” girls/Supermodels after extensive plastic surgery…..looking at you Bella and Kendall. I guess when the “cat eye” look goes out of fashion they’ll release the stitches in their scalps and go back to their natural eye shape.
@@samaraisnt They used these big clamps with rubber grips. So it was very visible. I think those clamps also protected the garment’s fabric so it could be restored if necessary. The shoot was on a small hill/embankment in Central Park and we just walked around the crew as we were going through the park. As a young woman from the country and a then Vogue subscriber, it was the first time I saw a professional photo shoot. Imagine my surprise when I saw the back of the dress spilt open and clamped into place. That gave me and my city cousins a good laugh 😂
Sadly their facelift procedures are permanent. They can dissolve fillers but this fox eye intense facelift isn’t going anywhere and I’m sure it’s not going to look good once they hit 35
Hi Mina, thank you for sharing the whole background of modeling history with such clarity. I have been modeling for five years now (I am 25), for freelancing gigs. I am not very tall (165 cm) and I mostly work for independent projects and exhibitions. I truly believe that social media is getting modeling much easier to reach, therefore it's a saturated path: as you said, high fashion brands prefer to work with celebrities, while the rest of the gigs are superficial and short term. Unfortunately, if a girl is seriously interested in getting a modeling career in the runaway shows, there are a few well-known agencies which work for prestigious clients (such as Elite models). The rest of the agencies might work or not, depending on its popularity, location, the agents, etc... although they may offer just a few gigs once in a while. My best advice is taking it as an experience, and understanding what path works best for you (commercial, runway, editorials, Playboy...). However, don't expect to become rich by modeling only, especially if you are trying to break out in the fashion industry: the payments are low related to the cost of living that a model should follow (eating quality food, beauty regimes etc...). Additionally, it could be physically and emotionally hard sometimes due to the strict body and beauty standards. Besides that, modeling can be a beautiful life experience if you get into your inner circle!
I always wonder about how wild the specific model/fashion competition reality show there were in the 00's-10's like ANTM and all the international versions, Make me a supermodel, America's Most Smartest model, She's got the look, the agency, the shot, project runway. I'm not going to lie I loved this genre
7:20 if im not mistaken (im british so could be) it was president grant who introed the 8 hr work day, henry ford was never president, but ford pioneered assembly lines
I think social media have a big impact to model industry. It is a big deal for the designers and companies to have a model/influencer/singer/actor etc who has millions of subscribers. I don’t know but maybe someday this bubble 🫧 will burst 🤷🏻♀️ When we no longer connect our lives with social medias.
my friends and I were talking about what we like to watch on UA-cam and I said video essays then had to explain what it was. My best friend chimed in with “oh yeah- you like to watch that girl with the tiny eyebrows” She’s definitely seen me watch you a handful of times XD Love your content so much thank you for sharing it with us
I keep coming back to your videos even though I am not a fashion fan but indeed a thrifter and love hand-me-downs. . The reason I come back is your thoughtfulness, delivery, and your cool factor. . Thanks for being here. xoxoxox from South Carolina, USA . . . . . . .
Mina, Henry ford was not a US President! Just the ford factory guy. Woodrow Wilson was pres at the time. Gerald ford was the guy in the 70s who succeeded Nixon after watergate. (Edit to say I had to look it up too, I could see how it could be confusing!)
Back when I was in college Lane Bryant was doing this huge model search. They wanted to hire a bunch of models that would be contracted for a year, with the possibility of renewing. I looked into the contract details to see if I was interested because I was in the size range they were looking for and had the proportions that they would usually use for their ads. One of the biggest things I noticed was that you were obligated to remain the same weight and dimensions during that period. Like even losing five pounds or becoming slightly more muscular from exercising could get you in trouble for breach of contract. It sounded so stressful that I dropped that idea real quick.
This was an excellent video. And very informative. What stood out to me was “Everybody is looking for the Kate Moss and Natalia Vodianiva” - But no one is looking for the black girl or the minority girl.
Mina are you considering putting out a non-fiction book about fashion history? The burn about the Welsh model with her fur stool had me dying of laughter. Also I'd love it if you release a q&a video soon
As always, very well researched and presented. I am so glad you create videos that are entertaining and informative instead of showing endless days of making lemon water/green juice/avocado toast and doing your workout routine.
Mina: "I don't know why the '64 show isn't on youtube!"
Also Mina: "They paraded with a shotgun and threw pheasant blood on the journalists."
I read that as peasant blood and I got very very worried
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 So did and I was greatly confused and concerned , until I re read it
@@chloewingate Sorry for the shock but kinda glad it wasnt just me 😅
Fair argument 😂
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Makes me think of the recent interview with lily rose depp where she dramatically downplayed the impact of nepotism on her career. Like being 5’2 and walking for Chanel at 16 is something anyone can achieve 😒
You saw the model Vittoria who called out the denial of privilege and a ton of models agreeing with her?💀💀💀
@Sierra F This comment is so underrated!
UGH! lol the nepos are bliiiind I swear lol
She's 5'2?????? Hdodndkdkpsoaofja omg
@@SarcasmReckless yes! They literally tailor her looks just for her because she’s so short. That is peak privilege
I was asked to model for a well known boutique in New York some years ago. For context, I’m a Black Latina woman who ranges from sizes 12-14 but I am 5’8” with a more proportional hourglass figure that is deemed as more “palatable” to these sorts of photographers and fashion people. When I got to the shoot, they wanted me to model a range of different items that did not fit well or were outright a size xs and asked me to take off my bra which made everything look unflattering imo. To make matters worse, they paid me in free clothes from their store instead of in real money (which isn’t rare in the fashion world but it’s sad). When I returned to the store to redeem my free items for the shoot I did, they didn’t even carry any clothing items in my size.
I say all this to say that a lot of brands like these recognize that using curve models of color for their advertising gives them the appearance of being inclusive and diverse, but they do not know how to style these body types, how to photograph us in a flattering way, and oftentimes they don’t even make/carry clothes that fit the sorts of women who they’re pandering to by using our likeness. It’s almost like they’re using the aesthetic of the plus/curve model to market to thinner women and excluding the very demographic who they’re exploiting to promote their brand. I can’t wait to start my own brand and put all these companies to shame 💁🏾♀️✨
@@user-hc2tu7ul7j I don’t wanna oust them ~directly~ because I do have friends who still work with them but honestly I’ve experienced other brands doing similar tokenizing things, just not as egregiously as this one…
of course, they're selling your aesthetic to rich white women. It's a tale as old as time.
It's like curvaceous-baiting, the plus-size-human version of queerbaiting. They want the rewards of being inclusive without the potential drawbacks
So true! It's annoying as hell to see a model my size on a website for example and then get to the store and they don't have anything that would even vaguely look decent, and I'm not even that large
@@sxt4447 How about...maybe a hint? I really want to know too.
Hey Mina! Henry Ford was a US industrialist and founder of Ford Motor Company. Gerald Ford was a president of the US in the 1970s. But Henry Ford was never president. Just figured that was worthy of clearing up.
I thought I was losing my mind when she said president 😂
I'm 50% sure it was a joke, but I was also thrown for a minute.
I had to double take when she said that, and then look it up to see who actually implemented the 8-hour workday. Apparently it was Henry Ford who brought the workday from 10-16hrs to 8hrs in 1914.
He was the president of US company Ford Motors so calling him a “US president” is technically kind of correct but not in the way most people would think
I didn't focus on details, just though "wow the President had such power then? Imagine these days trying to change the entire labor market like that." Now it makes more sense : )
I 100% developed my ed because of the impact of the topmodel shows. The whole concept of your life being amazing when you're thin enough was just wild in the late 2000s/early 2010s
The show was even traumatic to be on and after all of that the photos were deemed unprofessional by actual modeling agencies
same here, now that heroine chic is coming back I'm terrified for this next generation
@@noellebarnes6826 I’d argue that the new thin body trend isn’t really heroine chic, as that one focused on being thin all over and having little to no curves, and what we’re seeing now is just the IG baddie look downsized (being really slim but having a super low waist-to-hip ratio, a relatively big butt and looking toned rather than emaciated). Either way, neither of those is realistic or achievable for most people.
Saaaaaaame
I hate that people blame their choice to stop eating and create a disorder on the fact that thinner, more beautiful ppl exist. Take responsibility for yourself.
As a cis-man, I don't think I'm your intended audience, but I'm here because I love your in-depth analysis of modern culture.
Same bro, she is so informative
I get your point but anyone can enjoy art and fashion, regardless of gender or sexuality ^^
Y'all are so wholesome
@@cherryjam213 second this❤
As a queer cis-man I feel right at home with her content
i respect the og 90s supermodels (and also a few working today)so much for their work and discipline, i just find it sad that today a lot of the “highest paid models” are just nepotism babies who don’t necessarily have the talent and work ethic of other models who woupd deserve the fame more
The model industry is coming full circle kind of. Before there were living mannequins taylors would show their designs at the manors of their rich clients and the models would usually be the daughters or other women of the family. It wasn't considered a job at that time.
Hollywood has always favored nepotism. Just in the 80s and 90s, the elites were bored of each other and wanted to introduce “the average” person then. They got bored of that, and went right back to their roots
@@Avellania *tailor
I'd love to know how many high-earning models are from already wealthy families nowadays vs from lower classes and compare this data to the 90s.
For real
I used to model part-time to make some extra cash for college. The industry brought about self-image issues I didn't even know existed. I hated not looking white, was ashamed of my arms, etc. I eventually stopped modeling and my self-esteem has slowly improved since. Such a cruel world we live in. I feel for all the impressionable young girls out there.
I actually wanna be a model when I grow up a little bit more and become more prettier, hopefully I survive in this industry, (i dont mind advices or tips about the Modelling industry :>)
@@user-yl2ef1wn9q I'd say my biggest advice in terms of mental health is to keep up with activities that aren't modeling. I rock climbed a lot. It's good to focus on things that you can challenge yourself that don't require you looking at yourself all the time :) In terms of industry tips, I'd say find a photographer who can take some really good headshots of you. I think a good headshot with little to no makeup is really important when it comes to applying for agencies or for a modeling job :) I'd also work on getting into an agency if you can. If you're looking to do editorial, I'd highly reccomend looking to doing something drastic with your look like dying your hair, etc., because those models tend to be less "conventional" looking. ^___^ hope that helps!
@@iconbabyxox Hi :) I don't mind at all :) I did commercial, fitness, parts (hands/feet, like bracelets, rings, shoes, etc.) and print modeling. I did a runway event once, but it's only because my best friend was a runway model in the event and they were desperate because someone was out with the flu 😂 I'm not tall enough! Only 5'7-5'8. Hope that helps :) These days, whenever I need extra money (I'm in grad school) I will do parts modeling. I don't feel confident or comfortable anymore to frolic around set in a sports bra or let someone pile loads of makeup on me, but that's just me :) it was fun when I was younger but the idea of someone telling me to suck my stomach in on a set of 15 onlookers is just not what I wanna spend my time doing anymore.
I had a beautiful black friend in Middle School, Randie. She hated her skin and preferred my oily blemished skin meanwhile I was envious of her dark complexion and how effortlessly smooth her skin was. We live in a world where we all envy each other sadly.
@@cicischannel123-m1i tyyyyy
I have to clear up any confusion about the usually correct Mina's statement: Ford did not "introduce" the 8 hour workday. The labor movement fought for years, even paying with their lives, to fight for the 8 hour workday. Ford was just the first industrialist to *implement* it.
My mom was a "departement store model" and this is actually how she met my dad. My dad was hired to take pictures of the fashion show and he had a suspicious amount of pictures of my mom. Their bosses then hooked them up and they got together
can someone write this book pls
Awww😥😍😍😍
Omg that’s so cute 🥺
...and now there is you❣😂😂
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I was obsessed with model Fei Fei Sun for a while. Girl is stunning and a supermodel in my book. I don’t remember ever seeing a Chinese model represented with that kind of caliber. She was the 1st solo Chinese model to grace the cover of Vogue Italia. But I think she’s now semi-retired, and also gave birth in recent years. She’s still very young and can make a comeback. The Asian powerhouse models in the earlier days include Devon Aoki, Kimora Lee Simmons & Yasmeen Ghauri. You are for sure an it-girl Mina!!! No cap!!!
my favorite asian model was always liu wen although feifei was cool too
Liu Wen, Sui He, and Fei Fei Sun are my favorite models.
love fei fei! liu wen and ming xi too
@River McAndrew she is half-pakistani. So one can call her a model with asian ancestry
@River McAndrew she's not a WHAT NOW??
I feel like the reason people respect older models is because a lot of them back then actually had unique walks and seemed to look so gorgeous in a natural and effortless way whereas supermodels now are mostly nepotism babies (think kendall jenner) who live off being mediocre models and don't really have that much of a passion for fashion although there are still some models who are actually distinctive to make things interesting (think bella hadid)
You're using the world "supermodel" too loosely. All what people associate Kendall with is the Kardashains and even real models say that she sucks and doesn't even try.
You forget she bought her face and got into the industry through her mum,she looks good but I don’t think she’d be a model if it weren’t for her connections and plastic surgery (although I do think she worked hard to spite her mother who definitely seemed to favour her sister and pressured her into a nose job)
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@@elliezzz7812 I sorry to tell you but that happens in most jobs. I'm an engineer and some of the best jobs in my field go to people that have those kind of connections. It's also easier for a young girl that is pretty because maybe she had some procedures to be promoted than a "normal" looking woman. The world is corrupt not just the modeling industry but of course you'll see it more in highly paying jobs that don't require much skills like modeling and acting for example.
@@libelinhaa2079 i'd say acting definitely involves good skills, especially to be a good one but modelling is definitely not as difficult. a good walk is hard to come by these days though.
The modeling industry is literally hell according to my mom she modeled for five years but quit because after a bit her job became being a pro sttitute for rich celebrity men. its crazy how often it happens in hollywood and politics. If you’re an actress and you aren’t born in a rich family you have to work your way up by selling your body. I wanted to be an actor for so long but, unfortunately had to change my mind.
That's the harsh truth that many girl from common background have to literally sleep with such rich bastards to have a career in modelling industry
This happens in the modeling and entertainment industry more than people know.😔
Yeah the sad thing is there's definitely overlap between modeling and sex work, even in higher paid gigs.
The term “Supermodel” is used too loosely in my opinion. Only after Bella Hadid’s Coperni spray dress did I consider her a supermodel. There has to be a “Wow” moment while the model is modelling for me to consider them super
Exactly!! They keep downplaying the meaning when it was completely different back then.
Getting your billionaire daddy to buy you an entirely new face in order to get work should automatically exclude you from supermodel consideration, imo
agree! they got to have a “wow” moment that will be remembered forever
Lol Bella is NOT a supermodel - but I respect your opinion on how it’s a loosely used term, subjective.. but she is not a supermodel
@@Ak47Bk4k this! She’s a nepotism baby really
I’ve said it before but modeling died because the only people who can afford to go into the career nowadays are untalented nepo babies and spoiled rich kids. I see TONS of super talented, gorgeous people who would make amazing models but unless they are plucked from obscurity Cinderella style, there is no way the majority of people can afford to be a part of the industry. (I honestly think the same about acting and most entertainment/news/govt industries etc but I don’t think they are as bad -yet- as modeling has become)
I agree with this. In this world it’s so hard to survive. Relying on beauty is a BIG risk. Modeling seems like a joke job UNLESS you are a big name. And all the big names were already rich. They don’t need the income, but they make the most.
Models have always been rich ppls children it gets their parents to buy the clothes
I agree and I started when I was 13 and by 18 told I was getting “too old” but I ignored that and now the only shows that allow my size 4 requirements only want certain races so I just quit after struggling for a few years and unpaid.
@@maverickbull19090
@@mercedesedanen4555is 17 old??
Dude, I was a model in the 90s. That was the weirdest portion of my life. Some of the highlights were acting as a body double for more famous models in ads, and rubbing lotion on my 17 year old thighs for a cellulite cream commercial. Life is.
Hahaha that’s so cool
mina le is one of the most educated youtubers right now. i love her so much
Most educated because she knows... fashion?
Most educated? Ummmm
@@Blaurot yes.
most educated? 💀
her videos aren’t exclusively about fashion, though - in analyzing modern culture (media, fashion, etc.) she also brings in rich analyses of class, race, and gender to establish the social conditions around the topics she chooses. her videos on the old money aesthetic, victorian women stealing clothes, and her reviews of the met gala outfits each year come to mind. she’s incredibly thoughtful and nuanced in her perspectives and understands fashion as a product of its social and political contexts, and she deserves credit for all the work she puts into her videos!
In French models are still called mannequins (same word also for the object). And it's not seen as dehumanizing at all, it's just the same word applied to two different things if that makes sense.
similar name for Turkish as well, we call “manken” which is highly possible that it is originated from French
You are right. I still think that using an object's name to address a woman/woman's job is rooted in sexism, though. It's used to dehumanize women in a politically correct passive form (like expressions such as “beautiful thing”, "quel canon", etc.). Do we have similar examples with men? I can't think of any as I write.
@@hokko274 Well, a male model is also called a mannequin, even though it's true that people tend to think of women when they talk about modelling, since the industry is dominated by women.
@@tillie_brn True! Apparently, the first "mannequin" was a man, too. "The word mannequin comes from the Dutch mannekijn and means "little man". In the Middle Ages, when Flanders was the center of sewing, women were forbidden to appear in public. The function of showing the new creations fell to the pages, the mannequins, these "little men" Around 1775, the word also designates a person without character that one leads as one wants." It's still rooted in sexism, but not as expected, haha.
yup, we say "maneken/manekenka" too, however it is not the name of the object here, the doll in the display is just called the "doll" and "manekenka" is a human! So I actually thought growing up how weird it was to call the object mannequins by a human name haha - language, man, it's wild :D
As a photographer, I see the most promising side of the industry being influencer marketing. People deride influencers, but the truth is, influencers come in all shapes and sizes, and most of the influencers I've worked with are more or less normally-shaped people who really know their angles. They show off what clothes look like on a variety of bodies, and there's no talent agent breathing down their necks when they gain or lose a few pounds. I don't see editorial/ runway modelling going anywhere positive any time soon, but at least we have an alternative for people who love fashion and love creating fashion content, but don't want to dedicate their whole lives to gyms and dieting.
True. They say they're not "real" models but at least they look like all of us.
As long as all of us are white.
The model industry is definitely not for the faint of heart. People tell me all the time I should model but there’s a lot of risks and instability that’s revolves around it. Also what I’ve noticed also since Im from NYC It’s really important to have develop an image of yourself on social media you basically have to become an influencer/celeb just to continue having a consistent model career unless (you have a trustworthy agent in your corner ofc) I believe that’s what the tiktok in the beginning was referring to as well.
Honestly I regret not having tried modeling, and now I'm too old as I'm in my 30s now. I found it scary and toxic back then, but it's also exciting as it's part of the art world. I heard from a friend who was a model that all the stereotypes are true though, like the prevalance of drugs and EDs. But still, so many people want to model but it's still very exclusive in terms of height and size, so it would be an interesting experience to get to do it. I think you have to be secure in terms of body image though.
Omg, yes, the influencer part! I was interested in modeling a year or so ago, and when I was researching agencies, some of them required you to have at least x number of followers. And girls on the Interned who model explain that you should have a professional looking account (either use your personal one or create a new one). And I never got that, because I’m sending the agency photos of myself, they can already see me. And if I have a portfolio, then I’ll send it as well. Anyways, it’s just really frustrating that you could be a great model but without followers, the agencies won’t even look at you.
@@ellixrose2650 depending on your appearance you could still do some commercial modelling since it's not only teenagers who get featured in ad campaigns and such
same i was going to model but I'm still not sure if its the life i want, the job is extremely taking and the only people who get highly paid are nepotism babies and only a very small percentage of other models. and i don't like how you have to rely on social media to get a job basically its like you either want a model or an influencer please pick lol
the modelling industry is so multi faceted and no one is better to discuss it than Mina!
What about actual (professional) models? It's always been weird to me the average model has absolutely no voice
@@cinnamon9390 yeh that’s true, maybe it’s their contract or fear of getting black balled
@@aliceb9274 Do you mean black listed? Or is "black balled" an actual phrase because LMAO
@@nanospeed2550 maybe i’m not sure lmao💀
@@aliceb9274 are you sure you're not confusing it with "blue balls"? Because that is completely different dhshahahahaha.
Can I just add how plus size models are rarely styled properly as well. The straight size model will be posed with a French tuck and a blouse a size larger to make it baggy but the plus size will be given their actual size and no tucks so they look different (I think worse) than the intended style. Plus sized clothing is often shapeless and then even with it isn’t, they don’t size up for the model to make the blouse look like it should.
Well clothes naturally look better on slim figures…
@@maverickbull1909 gtfo troll. We see you attacking everyone's image. You must be a perfect adonis with so much judgemental hate in your heart :o)
Ikr insane
@@maverickbull1909 not really tbh
@@maverickbull1909 that has nothing to do with not styling clothing the same way
Tbh I was feeling physically ill when you were quoting what people say is the "it factor". It's capitalism and the patriarchy coming together to form such a toxic environment. I love fashion and fashion history, but the modeling industry is definitely one of the worst parts about it.
Totally agree
I am the Patriarch of Alexandria.
I had the same reaction to a video I came accross recently, an extract of Beautopia about the rise of Kate Moss (ua-cam.com/video/yu7-0_7ajJ4/v-deo.html). The designer describes that he's looking for "a young thing", then adds "Kate has that quality of child woman thing that touches a nerve with men especially that's always on the edge a little bit." Toxic is almost an understatement.
@@hokko274 looking for a THING ... :(
@@hokko274 I mean yeah she was discovered at 15 and posed topless at that time, which is EXACTLY what propelled her to fame...Imo you can't become a model then or now without doing something like that. Your body is literally not your own, that's the job.
I think there's a talk to be had about designers' unrealistic expectations of bodies.
I have a model friend. She was hired for a fitting. I just want to point out: she's plus size and she has a pretty much perfect body. Like the kind of body that looks like a doll or a mannequin. The garment she was supposed to wear fit her perfectly. The designer walked on her, looked at her like she was a piece of meat, and flat out fired her because he decided her body was not right for his brand.
I don't care what y'all think, this will never be fair. and I say this as a designer myself: giving us the power to design our models, instead of just our garments, is a slippery ass slope.
True, i aspire to be a designer in the future and one of my goals is to have normal body types as much as possible and as different as possible to mode the clothes I'll make because clothes are made for real normal body types
You are 100% correct. The average model is very young and may make like $5,000 a year from modeling jobs. Also this industry prays on the models just read 90's supermodel Karen Mulder's interview. No one is spared.
Interview excerpt below re: Karen Mulder, who eventually had a nervous breakdown and ended up being committed.
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Swimsuit Edition, and she became a Victoria's Secret model. There was a Karen Mulder doll, made by Hasbro. Mulder dated a racecar driver, she dated Prince Albert II of Monaco, she dated a real-estate developer named Jean-Yves Le Fur. They broke up, but it was still Le Fur who picked her up off the floor of her Paris apartment and called the ambulance in the winter of 2002, after Mulder attempted suicide by overdosing on pain pills.
The suicide attempt and the coma she would lie in for two days following it came after Mulder had told the press, "From the beginning, I hated being photographed. For me, it was just an assumed role, and in the end, I didn't know who I really was as a person. Everybody was saying to me, 'Hi, you're fantastic.' But inside, I felt worse from day to day." It came after she laid a formal rape complaint in France against Prince Albert. It came after she said, "My job distracted me from my worries. It enabled me not to be myself, to pretend I was someone else." It came after a notorious appearance on French television where her various claims - that men at Elite had raped her, that she had been coerced into having sex to garner better contracts, that Elite had used her and other models as sex slaves in a ring that extended through the top echelons of French society, implicating politicians, members of the police, and other top officials, that her own father had raped her, that she had been sexually abused by a family friend from the age of 2, that she had been hypnotized and raped, kidnapped and raped, and raped some more - were regarded as so potentially libelous that France 2 not only never aired the segment, but destroyed the master tape. No matter: In a series of more-or-less coherent magazine interviews, Mulder repeated most of her accusations, and added that her agency had encouraged her to use cocaine and heroin. She told the Daily Mail, "They tried to turn me into a prostitute because they thought it would be so easy. I was raped by two bookers. I reported them and they were fired. Another time I was shut in the office of [a high-profile man from the modeling world] for a whole day. All these people who betrayed me I used to love very much. Then I realized how big the conspiracy was. It brought in the government and police, who both used Elite girls. People have tried to kidnap and poison me."
This happened to me too. I was forced to strip down in front of 10 other girls and was told i was too fat (i was underweight). I was 16.
Please stop with this "perfect body" perfect body doesn't exist.
@@sarithajagajith6568 great way to ignore the whole point I was making, but good for you. Perfect bodies do exist in today's society. We have beauty standards and some bodies adhere to them better than others. That DOESN'T make it fair but to pretend they don't exist - especially in the context of the fashion industry - is equivalent to putting your head in the sand and ignore the problem. My point Is that designers have been shifting from shaping the clothing on the person to shaping the person to fit their clothing - and it's beyond beauty standards, beyond toxic, beyond bad. As a designer I think it's our responsibility to shift back, and actually design clothing for anyone who wants to wear them, no matter what they look like. Selling a fantasy is crucial to the act of designing - otherwise It would be called crafting. But to include a specific body in said fantasy is dangerous. Bodies aren't fantasy, bodies are very material.
I personally don't believe in this kind of argument for any cause - nitpicking One word from an entire argument to say it's wrong and ignoring the whole point. But everyone has their own way
Yasmeen ghuri was an amazing model of the 90's but many say she quit at the height of her career. Tyra Banks even said she had the walk of life. Totally one of my favourite 90's model
I dieted so hard in anticipation of NYFW that I permanently damaged my gut and developed acid reflux (amongst also developing a really unhealthy relationship with food, exercise, and nicotine). I also haven't gotten paid for any of the shows I did for nyfw ... its been 3 months
Wow that checks out, I read that skinny people/models/(what someone called "attractive people" problematic!) are more likely to have IBS. Makes total sense if dieting can lead to permanent gut damage~! It was hard to look up studies on this cause google deems "diet" as an only positive word...but I found a study that "Up to 98% of Eating Disorder Survivors Have Gut-Health Issues" so wow again!
If we're considering supermodels for the current generation I would like to mention Adult Akech
She is grace and glamour on the runway
Adut* Akech, not Adult, ahahahha
and sora choi and yasmin wijnaldum
This video is so informative, thank you ! I don't know if you know Gia Carangi, who is often considered as "the first supermodel", before the 90's era. She should have reach the same level of fame than Cindy Crawford (who came after her and was nicknamed "Baby Gia") but she died of AIDS in 1986. Her story is fascinating on every level. Your video remained me that she is often erased/forgotten in model history, even through her looks continue to inspire models to this day, like Kendall or Kaia Gerber. Btw, you have to know that your content reach every part of the world, I'm french and you're indeniably, my fave youtube creator ! You're truly brillant, keep going shining star 🕊️💫
She hasn’t been erased. Calm down. They literally made a WHOLE movie about her life called GIA played by Angelina Jolie. It’s called time. She was big 40 years ago. That doesn’t mean she was erased… cry harder
@@maverickbull1909 erased by modern history dude youre literally malding at every comment do u even understand what's being said on this channel or do u just like to be a general nuisance cuz u dont seem to understand anything, ur reading comprehension skills arent great bestie
@@maverickbull1909 Calm tf down. Mad for what?
totally agree with your "it girl" stance. they still very much exist, it's just more difficult to pick them out among the growing number of celebrities and influencers that are popular now
I know this is off topic but can we just talk about mina's channel growth ✨. I didn't even realized she reached 1mil subscribers. I remember being one of her first viewers, absolutely captivated by her editing, research, and her fashion looks. Love you sm
Damn I also didnt notice and I was waiting for it
Well deserved🎉🎉🎉🎉
When you said “so what makes a successful model?” My instant response was “NEPOTISM”
Thank you for bringing up the power of Nepotism and the unfair advantages of accessing the best surgeons and best PR possible to attain a high paying modeling job. There is a reason why Naomi Campbell refuses to call Bella Hadid and Kendall Jenner “supermodels”, while also supporting up and coming excellent runway models with the look and presence of Sora Choi and Adut Akech
There's a video about the unnoticed surgery of models such as Naomi. I'll link it down below:
ua-cam.com/video/mrL9KIF5qng/v-deo.html
Who cares about what Naomi says.
off topic rant: In my country next top model and other model shows are like a family show, everybody is watching and talking about it. The judges are insanely rude to the girls, extremely agist and every season in the first round of auditions they flat out MOCK any girl that doesn't fit outdated American 90s beauty standards even though the show has only Balkan and Mediterranean audiences. Plus if they do pick a girl with like three stretch marks, 2 zits or a visible surgery scar they act like they are true altruists giving chances to the less fortunate. I'm pushing 30 but this can't be healthy for young girls to see.
what’s this show? i’m from serbia but i dont have a tv 😅
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 it's the Greek next top model
The German version is bad too. It's hosted by Heidi Klum and the show made her very unlikeable for me. On project runway she was completely different.
@@Avellania yes exactly, on project runway the producers make a point to be inclusive and all about fashion. I have been watching since season 1 and they have improved so much that it proves next top model could have done the same thing but choses not to.
We have India's next top model here in India, and it's the same lol , literally oversaturated with fair -skinned girls , but with an exception of a single dark-skinned girl , the judges think that they are so woke , non - judgemental and cool for including one dark-skinned girl loll
This video serendipitously came out a couple hours after a modeling agency asked to interview me. I’m excited but now warned lol
good luck!! hope you’re treated well
Watching this as a full time model is very interesting, I work with both high end fashion brands and do ecomm/commercial work. You give a good perspective into how an outsider sees the industry and I really enjoyed learning about the history. However, there are some things mentioned that are a bit exaggerated (in reporting or whatnot) or aren’t really true to the job. Models can go into one of those two categories of commercial or high fashion/editorial, but this is not the ideal for an agency to do- the ideal for most models is to do a combination of both kinds of work. The modeling industry has become overpopulated and I guess that does drive down incomes, but there are so many agencies now that cater to more amateur models that don’t make much money/those agencies exist solely to exploit models financially, so it brings those stats down on income. Most models I know are making a pretty good income, those that aren’t are being worked by their agency in pretty exploitative ways (driven into debt, pigeonholed into low paying work, agents just aren’t pushing enough to get their models work)
Frankly, nepotism isn’t as big of a threat as its perceived to be from the outside, rather the biggest threat is a newer fresher face that’s more fitting with the times. The industry is always in search of a new fresh face, absolutely unknown, literally every season. Also young girls do not work anymore in western markets.. Every girl is over 18 at least, which is great. I was kind of hoping to hear about 2000s era modeling that really exploited young girls, sometimes coming from poverty and leaving home at very young ages to become providers for their families. This shift to stricter regulations around age is huge.
Also, most models are not told to change their appearance drastically, it’s very rare actually, since agents know these girls won’t make much money because they lack range. Instead, most girls are worked to have a range that can be editorial and commercial; a girl that can do both is going to be a money maker. Personality and interests are also massive factor as you mentioned, agencies typically want multi faceted girls with interests/hobbies outside of fashion. Also I was hoping to hear about the current state of modeling and how the idea of exclusivity to brands is still very much a thing and key to a certain kind of career but I realize this is not really public knowledge.. There is truly so much about the industry that is not shared at all so I’m not upset at how it’s portrayed, but it’s way more nuanced than the standards mentioned in this video. I can’t speak to plus size modeling as I don’t know much about it. In terms of bodies agencies can be so scrutinizing from city to city, for example London agents can be really harsh with measurements while Paris agents aren’t as much, and NY agents barely even take measurements. The job has made me aware of so many things I never wanted to know, I’ve become insecure about things I never even realized before, like my height, my proportions, areas of my body I dislike, measurements, muscle tone or lack of, etc.. And I had issues with body image/eating years before I ever began working. I had no idea it could get worse lol:) it’s too much self awareness for a person to experience. Still, I’m grateful for all the creative people I get to work with regularly, I’m meeting new inspiring people all the time, other models are typically great, and I get to travel and see things I otherwise wouldn’t. There are a lot of different kinds of modeling so of course I’m not saying I know everything, just felt like responding, love your videos Mina x
thank you for your insight!
Models from Siberia are recruited as young as 15, which shouldn't take place, as they aren't adults yet and should finish school first. There are two documentaries that feature the girls.
It's good that there are still some agencies that don't exploit their workers. Can you give me a full list of good modeling agencies that you know?
thanks for the info that’s very interesting insight
amazing comment ty
I just want to take a minute to appreciate that you actually type out the closed captioning for the entire video so that it's accurate. So few creators take the time to do that but it makes a huge difference to those who need it
I did some very low-level/local modeling as a pre-teen, which included classes from my local agency. I was given "advice" like "don't make too many facial expressions, they'll be wrinkles some day" and "don't do activities that could result in getting a bruise bc then you won't get hired." As a child, it's very hard to hear (essentially) "don't have fun or be a kid!" The industry is also super predatory for children - telling them they're "in" but then requiring parents to pay thousands for comp cards, suggesting you go on "casting cruises" put on by large bookers, etc. They know you're not going to be a professional model, but you're a source of revenue as much as you generate it.
casting cruises sound scary and shady...
@@samaraisnt I never went (my mom wasn't keen on the idea thankfully!), but they sound VERY suspect in hindsight. As a kid, I thought it was a great idea 😅
3:56 A bit of historical context for “mannequin”: King Louis XIV, arguably one of the most fashionable men & monarchs in Western history, was the driving force behind making fashion one of the primary, if not the premier industries of France because he realized that fashion can be a form of propaganda. Kinda wild to think of fashion that way for us nowadays but it makes sense. Louis XIV knew that courtiers across Europe looked to other courts on the continent yo help dictate what their own kingdom’s/empire’s court dress should be so they could be seen as their own independent governing power. So to compete with Spain & ESPECIALLY England given their long contentious history, Louis effectively tied a good chunk of the national economy to raw material cultivation, textile fabrication, garment making (hello, beginnings of today’s haute couture!!), etc., so they could readily export all these products he would make be seen as valuable and drive up demand for by establishing a very highly aesthetic, super detailed (if not stringent) court dress to set France apart so when courtiers of other nations came to French court, they would have to get French clothing and then they’d take those clothes back home with them. So with the fashion industry developing as quickly as it did in France, they needed to have people wear the clothes for fittings when the courtiers were out of country and to have illustrations, which were paper/art propaganda pushing the sartorial propaganda, made that could be kept in historical records and sent off to the rest of Europe. And those people were called “les mannequins,” from which also comes the name we know as the inanimate objects we see in stores today, as well as the French word for “model(s)!” So shout out to politics & King Louis XIV wanting to be a gilded peacock🥳
yooo i did NOT know about this. i only really learned about louis xiv like, the butterfly effect of his contribution to the french revolution, the nine years war, and the whole deal with the spanish succession. do you have any books or resources to recommend on this topic, like other videos? i adore history so id love to learn more!!
@@nabihahasan240 I'm a huge history buff too so I always love it when there's overlap between it and fashion! I'm gonna reply to this comment with links to a few videos as well as some articles too!☺
VIDEOS:
1. "Fit for a King: Louis XIV and the Art of Fashion" lecture by Kimberly Chrisman-Campbell, posted on Getty Research Center's channel : ua-cam.com/video/2oXRapMFpfg/v-deo.html
2. "How Louis XIV Used Fashion" by Azealea Aloe Vera : ua-cam.com/video/jPsGxjKW2wQ/v-deo.html
3. "Fashion &... Versailles" by Scott Schiavone, posted on Fashion &... channel : ua-cam.com/video/H-_0I0I-nxA/v-deo.html
4. "The Important Influence of Louis XIV | How to Get Ahead" by Off the Fence studios, posted on Real Royalty's channel : ua-cam.com/video/z69fNsM62VY/v-deo.html
5. "Louis XIV: The World's Longest Reigning Monarch | 1715: The Sun King is Dead" posted on Real Royalty's channel : ua-cam.com/video/gSMkdx7VKsU/v-deo.html
ARTICLES (I can't provide links to them because YT removes the comment, so I'll say exactly where you can find them, whenever possible):
1. "The King of Couture: How Louis XIV invented fashion as we know it" by Kimberly Chrisman-Campbell, posted on the The Atlantic's online archive, originally published September 1, 2015.
2. "How Louis XIV Revolutionized Power Dressing" by Ciara Fitzgerald, posted on Medium's website, originally published on December 28, 2018 with an updated version posted on December 30, 2018.
3. "Louis XIV's Use of Fashion to Control the Nobility and Express Power" by Sarah Barringer, published in 'Primary Source' Volume IV: Issue II (pg 21-25), available as a free PDF with the file name of "2014 - Spring - Sarah Barringer.pdf."
4. "King Louis XIV -- A Fashion Developer" by Charushila Garat & Sarita Raut, posted on textilevaluechain .in on May 24, 2019, under the tags 'Research/Review Paper' and 'Textile Articles.'
5. "1701 -- Hyacinthe Rigaud, Louis XIV" by Juyeon Kim, originally published on January 15, 2018 to fashionhistory. fitnyc .edu, with an update on March 16, 2018.
6. "The Baroque Period in All Its Grandiloquence" by abigailwestover94, originally published on April 7, 2012, to historyofeuropeanfashion. wordpress .com, and can be found under tag 'louis xiv,'
@@taylorjefferson6689 this is freaking gold, ur an angel!!! im gonna have a blast with all of this haha im glad to meet a fellow history nerd too
I've always wanted to be a model since my mom was a fashion designer and used to model her creations with her friends (they weren't shows huge we literally live in the countryside lol)+ she also wanted me to become one, so it became what I usually daydream of or fantasize about. Watching this felt like Mina was speaking about something very fond for me, even though I don't really have any experience in the industry.
You can still make your dream come true!
Its okayy! Can wait to see you become a big model!
34:21 this made me think of that blonde model who went on tv and compared having blonde hair to racism in the industry 🤦🏾♀️
I'm sorry WHAT 😭
Devon Windsor I remember that moment
Devon Windsor and her infamous "I don't speak Paris". That girl is stupid.
HUH ??? THOUGHT SHE DID SOMETHING
I never had body image issues until I started modelling at 16, everyone in the industry was so toxic about weight and what to do to lose more weight. I had to stop after 2 years for my mental health
I… I’m wondering what you thought would happen? If you wanted to be in the NFL would you be upset that they wanted you to have a certain BMI and amount of muscle and weight? Pro athletes obsess about weight and fitness too. You became a model, a job that is totally focused on body image and weight… yet you were shook because your weight was a focus?? Sounds like you didn’t do any research and want to blame an industry for your issues in fitting in properly.
that sounds really difficult--when you're that young, it can be really easy to absorb hurtful beliefs, especially from people who you admire or want to impress. thank you for sharing this, and i hope you're finding more positive ways to relate to your body!
@@maverickbull1909 No it's not the same at all not men shoehorning their whataboutism into every issue that affects women much more than men...male atheletes are NOT starving themselves, being encouraged to not eat, and getting organ wastage due to these negative behaviors. One is about peak performance the other is about how fuckable a teen is at the detriment to her health. Atheletes are coooooompletely different, and lest you forget THERE ARE FEMALE ATHELETES! They also bulk up and obsess about performance/diet. *It's not the same!*
@@maverickbull1909 I'd expect she would have thought that the industry she was getting into wouldn't be asking a child to put their health at risk.
@@maverickbull1909 you sound so unsympathetic
It is so interesting because whenever I watch the 1939 Joan Crawford, Norma Shearer, and Joan Fontaine movie, "The Women," I kinda get a glimpse of what modeling was like back then long before the 60s and even way before the supermodel era. The industry is definitely very complex
I absolutely LOVE The Women and that fashion show is EVERYTHING
@@gigitastic90 The fact that they shot the sequence using colored film stock while the rest of the movie was shot in black and white is fantastic and mind-blowing, to me. My jaw dropped when I saw the way they switched colors for the fashion show. I also love how this was one of the first chick flicks to have ZERO men on screen, lol
@@rebeccassweetmusic4632 FIT has a really interesting article on The Women ( it started as a play!) and the remake musical from 50s with Joan Collins . They sold clothes based on.the movie in department stores. Its fascinating. I would Love Mina to cover thus ICONIC fashion film and its designer Adrian
@@gigitastic90 Agreed!!!
Love that movie. How To Marry A Millionaire was also a really interesting look at modeling back then.
This video has brought to my mind yet another vlog topic I don’t have time to try and tackle but the weird intersection of amateur online Modeling, sex work(no shade) and Cosplay that lowkey made the cosplay community so much more toxic and competitive than before you could ever dream of making money doing it. Really was not something the community needed but the format and all the expectations were straight up pulled from the modeling industry. The way it feels pressure to be a certain type of unrealistic anime girl body type if you’re gonna bother posting Cosplay pics online.
I’m hoping to start my vlogging arc next year so maybe I’ll be able to get to this one!
Do a video about the latest nepo baby pretending it's ONLY hardwork and denying privilege : Lily rose depp. Top Model Vittoria Ceretti called out the unawareness and deniability around privilege that so many of the nepo babies have and now an insane amount of models are backing her up and telling their stories!!! Diet Prada made a post about this and even industry big names like Naomi Campbell were agreeing with the sentiments of frustration Vittoria expressed. Love your videos btw!
I am a tall ginger guy who gets “scouted” for modeling quite a bit but never once thought to do it because I know how much it will fuck me up. Toxic world
I always found it interesting the perceived higher value of editorial modeling vs commercial modeling. I signed to a model agency last year and was SHOCKED at how much more money there is in commercial modeling vs editorial modeling. I was asked if I wanted to take part in an editorial for Vogue Germany and it would have been completely unpaid for 2 days worth of shooting. I hear from friends that walking runway shows pay almost nothing or they pay you in clothes.
Hey Mina, just wanted to make a couple of corrections. While Worth is credited with creating the first fashion show, it was actually the designer Lucille Duff-Gordon who began original "fashion parades" inside her home. Worth was just the first one to publicize the idea, so he ended up getting the credit for it. Also, Henry Ford was never president. You're thinking of Gerald Ford. :)
2 of the most iconic Period Piece Fashion Show moments were in ‘Downton Abbey’ and ‘Miss Fisher’s Murder Mysteries’.
My grandmother was a fur model for a department store in the Midwest (I assume in the 30s or early 40s prior to her marriage but I’m not sure). She also did window dressing for them, so that certainly suggests the pay for modeling alone was not great. I do have a newspaper ad for the store, featuring her. I wish I’d been able to ask her more about it.
Also once early in my acting career I was working for an “acting and modeling” agency and they sent me on a runway call for a small designer. I am 5’3”😅
When I got to the building I rode the elevator with a bunch of Amazons who were like, “what brings you here, Earthling?” And I was like, “A mistake, clearly.” Fortunately the designer was very very nice and even had me try on a dress and walk. At least it fit me! Obviously did not get the job though.
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the way that you speak and script your videos makes it so easy to remember all this amazing information.i learn more from you than i do from my teachers.you are so incredible,my favourite youtuber forever and always.thank you a million mina
just as i was getting into content about the supermodel era this comes out. amazing as always
Just a sidenote, could we stop spreading the popular myth that Henry Ford introduced the 8h work week. He didn’t. Unions did so and fought hard for it in 1884. Ford adapted and made it more accepted decades later - but we have to thank unions for it, not Ford.
hilarious too cuz now a lot of ford assembly lines work 10 hour days (8 hr regular pay, 2 hr overtime pay)
I love how you always go into the history! That was very interesting to listen to how the modeling industry began - and even in the 1800's a model needed to be tall & thin. Since I was 13, people told me I should model so I took a stab at it in my late 20's after losing some weight (Which was inspired by Fashion TV and ANTM). I was hungry to learn posing, the walk, and make new connections, but the agency I signed up for made us do a 6 month class. We did start to get work and I realized that I wasn't well-suited for fashion as most models get started in their teens. It's actually a compliment, because as you mentioned, runway models are meant to look more edgy, almost alien whereas commercial models are more like the hot girls.
Even for some local fashion jobs my hips were considered to be "too big" at 36", which still looked small on my 5"9" frame. My agent said I should do commercial work since I had the look and measurements. The issue was I couldn't book days off from work to do these commercial fashion gigs - my partner at the time tolerated my modeling, but he didn't want me quitting my job to do it. I switched to another agency and the agents there were far more serious and realistic - they said I had the most potential in the catalogue industry and she gave me a tangible plan to get me to Montreal and possibly even to NY fashion week! By that point I had lost my enthusiasm for the industry and realized I didn't really have the personality for modeling as much of it is being personable to network with people in the industry.
As a final attempt, I tried hair modeling and realized that many of the stylists want you to sleep with them and party with them to get more jobs. I met a stylist who wanted to work with me independently and said he could get me a lot of work. By that point I was 29 - very different from the girl I was at 27 - and I realized I didn't really want to do it. That said, I'm so glad I tried modeling, and it was a great experience for my life's story. :)
what made you lose your interest in the industry when you switched modelling agencies?
@@nabihahasan240 For commercial fashion I couldn't quit my job to go to any of the jobs- most are during the day such as Roger's Fashion or for fittings and whatnot you had to be flexible. I found the catalogue/commercial industry was abit too serious. I got into it wanting to be more edgy lol. Hair modeling definitely had the edge but I realized in reality I didn't really enjoy modeling as much as I thought I would. And I mentioned in my other comment in hair modeling the stylists wanted you to party with them and it felt really creepy, like when they'd pick skimpy outfits for you.
I love that video by julia fox saying that there are no short brown models in the industry and i was like yes queen say it!! I have this fantasy of being a runway model but I''m sooooo short lol I walk down the streets pretending I'm a model idc 😭
You can always be a commercial model.
@@katgreer6113 but I like runways ):
You can always be a different model. Every job had requirements and not everyone has those requirements 🤷🏾♀️
girl just be an ig model 😂
@@umchileanyways8603 😭😭
I would like to thank Heidi Klum because I remember watching ‘Project Runway’ with my mom. She was and is such a lovely host.
well, she is also the host and face of "germanys next topmodel" and therefore one of the major reasons why especially young girl don't feel good in their bodies and many develope eating disorders. there was just recently a MAJOR discussion about that and many people want to cancel it because it is (scientifically proven) to be extremely unhealthy for just everyone. Also there is in general a lot of shady problematic shit going on behind the scenes of gntm, making Heidi not much more of a sympathetic character...
@@orangentage totally agree with you
omg i used to watch project runway with my mom too- like apperently when i was baby i used to crawl and watch the early seasons with my mom😭 looking back now the show is probably super unhealthy to be in- forced to make entire outfits and sometimes small collections in a certain number of hours seems extremely stressful, but when i was a kid i just liked to admire the clothes and the fantasy of the runway
Have you seen her worm halloween costume? It was awesome!
@@orangentage that will never change. Now you can see morbidly obese models in runways and magazines so it's just a different way if glamorizing a different eating disorder. They went from glamorizing anorexia to glamorizing any kind of eating disorder and thinking that makes it ok 🤷🏻♀️
Sitting down to edit a ton of photos and Mina has dropped a new video? My day is made
I’ve been a “mid-sized” model for three years now and it’s not easy for anyone in any body in this industry. Having your worth and pay be determined by whether or not clothes fit you and how good you look in photos is extremely damaging. Even when I was modeling for mid sized pieces they were also always way too big or way too small and every shoot I’d have someone tell me I either should lose or gain weight it’s so exhausting.
What size range is "mid sized?"
@@maryeckel9682 sizes 8-12
I'm a part-time model from extremely humble background and, to be quite honest, I am happy that nepotism is more prevalent than ever.
People in the media industries are mistreated to such an alarming degree that having that safety net of money and connections does a world of good for the well-being of these individuals.
I understand how from the outside looking in it can look like the decline of an industry but if humble talent comes at such a devastating price, is it really worth it?
Designers used to prefer their models as impressionable as possible, taking hopefuls who didn't speak enough of the language to know they were being taken advantage of, overworking them and malnourishing them to the point of fainting on runways and resorting to hard drugs to stop their body responding to this torture in a natural way.
The guy who was recommending a Nutritionist, Dietician, Personal Trainer, etc- the vast majority cannot afford that .
These problems are still prevalent but to a much lesser degree and I don't think this is a terrible thing.
As a rule of thumb, before entering any industry (media especially), you have to be certain that they need you more than you need them or you will absolutely be taken advantage of in one way or another.
Wow, this perspective is really interesting! I really never took the time before to think that these privileged kiddos are actually protected from so much of the exploitation that others would go through.
@@mekko902 thank you for reading :)
I think that people should stop with the nepotism and taking advantage of "peasants." People should just evolve and become better people. Good people should be hired. I know that it sounds utopian, but since we have evolved from the Middle Ages, were they, e.g., burned people and normal people lived in inhumane conditions, we can all evolve from now and become even better people and eliminate cruel people. (I know that not all countries don't burn people, but at least some became more civilized).
@@Minty_Aqua we try to fight our fight every day, but these bad people usually have no qualms going against all human decency to keep their money coming in so that makes them scary and unpredictable.
It's very easy to be idealistic but until you've worked in the industry, you don't know how truly evil the people at the top are.
They try and make it seem like it's just a few people making the industry look uncharacteristically bad but it's not.
It's inter-woven into the structure of the system and to disassemble this structure, it requires an entire upheaval and starting from ground zero.
This is something none of the powerful, wealthy investors are willing to do.
The most successful models are often one of three archetypes.
1: (veteran) the one who doesn't take any shit from anyone and already has a rough past and isn't scared of old rich white men because they've been dealing with them their entire lives.
They often get misinterpreted by press as a 'diva' because people who aren't models don't understand you have to be on the offensive at all times in this job.
2: the people-pleaser(rookie): usually marketed as a small town sweetheart who can do no wrong.
They just seem happy to be there and will remain as agreeable as possible to maintain what they know is a fleeting chance at success.
Models are most impressionable when they're new to the industry and still have stars in their eyes.
Once something bad happens to the people-pleaser type or someone dear to them, they will either become more withdrawn and eventually leave the industry or become the 'diva' to survive
3: what's-his-face's niece (nepotism baby): usually go for a california cool or parisian image and hang out with smaller, more humble talent to soften their image.
They grew up in this world so they don't have to be taught much apart from how to walk so very cost-effective with high returns.
They have an easy-going attitude from years of having a safety net and that makes them nice to employ for the most part and the designers can get press from their famous relatives turning up to shows. It's more low-stakes for agencies to hire nepo because they're less likely to become a problem for them in the future.
From a business perspective, it's a no-brainer.
@@inactive120 How would you change the system? I get your point, but maybe someday, good people will appear in those higher-up positions. All we have to do is just hope. I know I do. But I understand if you don't.
AAAHHHHH Ashley Mears was my sociology professor!!! she was one of the best professors I ever had and ignited my love for sociology. I love that you mentioned her!!
You make even the presentation of the sponsor exciting to watch, so imagine that!! Brilliant Mina!!
The reality of plus size being size 10-14 is a slap in the face of the plus size customer.
Oh my freakin gosh. You go SOOOOO DEEP. I got so excited clicking this video because I knew there was so much I did not know at all
I spent my entire work day on my feet steaming clothes for a photoshoot the brand I work for is having tomorrow and after an hour and a half of traffic hell I was thrilled to see a new Mina video waiting for me. As someone who has been involved in the garment industry since I was a little kid (my mom is a clothing designer so I spent a lot of my childhood running around trade shows and helping out at photoshoots) it's always been so strange to see this glamorized image of what people think models do, vs the reality of it. It's insanely competitive, can be very toxic depending on the environment, and of course there's a ton of racism present as well. That's not to say there aren't any good parts because a lot of models do genuinely enjoy their work, but I really liked how Mina summed it up in this video. It's getting really difficult to make enough to support yourself even if you're just getting into low level catalog type stuff vs high fashion. It's not what it once was, and with the rise of influencers and so many nepotism babies around, it's only going to get worse.
But anyway that's just me rambling. Ty for the video Mina!! Super interesting, loved it as always
learning the history of modeling and why the standards are the way they are is interesting because i grew up watching ANTM and that show literally teaches and perpetuates the standards of the industry
i was discussing this with a friend the other day and thought about how much i wanted you to make a video on it.... dreams do come true
I was just googling a few weeks back what happened to the supermodel- and just like that, you bless us all.
I'm surprised you didn't talk about "America's Next Top Model". It's interesting how popular that show was, but nowadays Tyra Banks gets cancelled repeatedly when people talk about how harmful the show was to the models. The crossover episode they did with 'Rupaul's Drag Race' made me feel like they needed to use the show to help them stay afloat since RDR was and still is a hit. Andre Leon Talley and others were on the show too and it was interesting having that, and then also having celebrities like Nikki Minaj. (Miss J is still the best 💛)
Mina I love the way you break this down with so much insight and confidence. It’s people like you who will bring in the new era of defining fashion and the industry ❤
I've been sending around my modelling portfolio yesterday, wish me luck!
Good luck!
i always learned a lot when i watch mina's videos !
Ashley Mears is actually a former model herself, so it's interesting that she went into researching the modeling field. I've read some of her research about this particular 'look' in the editorial fashion modeling field, where she explains why models look a certain way. It all boils down to industry conventions, based on the ideal look of aristocratic sexual unavailability - which is a mold only extremely thin and white, young women fit into. And nobody in the field has an incentive to change this, so things just stay the way they are.
I feel like something in modeling that really needs to change is the height requirements. 5ft9 is much taller than the average woman. Also, the same weight/proportions looks very different on different heights, so having only super tall models just makes the thin proportions look even more extreme, creating impossible standards for shorter women to conform too. If the clothing is good, then it should look good regardless so the body type of the model. Quality brands should have models of all sizes and heights.
That's why I love shopping brands that show a big diversity in models! It makes me way more hype about the clothes, and I love seeing all the way people can be beautiful. Big Bud Press is great for this, and tbh Teddy Fresh always has really interesting people as well. Also it's so much more fun to fantasize that I could model those clothes too. I think I'm way more likely to buy things when I can see myself modeling them on the website, rather than just looking at a bunch of people I'll never look like.
Its more like 5 7+ and the point is that they're taller and the clothes drapes better on the taller model. Male models also have to be above average 6-6 2 and yeah we need more POC and size inclusion. Honestly eveything needs to change... I get you're probably short and it made you think of this but it's not like someone can change the race they're born with either and the societal implications of racism are much more impactful imo than being short.
I really like your editing in this video, it's been evolving really well over the course of your recent videos!!!
I feel like we had another supermodel bloom at the height of the Victoria's Secret days.
I'm really curious to know your insights as someone signed with IMG, being a shorter model and how that affects the way you're perceived. Great video as always.
"Is the supermodel dead?": the question you should never have to ask after the bachelor party.
I'd say the pressure to be a certain size is the worst this is why a lot of models develop eating disorders back in the day models could get away with being a size 6 even a 8 now the standard is a size 2 or smaller
Now there are even morbidly obese models in magazine covers and runways. It's not like the accusations at the modeling industry about promoting eating disorders didn't exist in the 90s remember Kate Moss? Even Heidi Klum talks about how she put on weight when she arrived in the US and had to lose it so she could work. I don't think some of today's models are that much different from the 90s they just look more natural because they weren't having has much plastic surgery and not everyone was a model. These days everyone is a insta model, you can see reality tv people, actors and singers on the runway or an influencer modeling clothes in her own social media profile and that is in my opinion why we don't see models in that super star light anymore because it has became something anyone can do.
@@libelinhaa2079 ? Um honey no for high fashion modeling the standard is very much a size 2 or smaller I'm talking about fat women being used by white LGBT people to push an agenda I'm talking your typical working model who's going on go sees in Paris Milan New York City London etc the standard has gotten smaller to compare them to nineties models is a bit ridiculous I mean if you Google Cindy Crawford Christy Turlington Naomi Campbell they at least looked like real women with curves they looked healthy nowadays the look is scary skinny just UA-cam search any runway show
@@Model_Roe you are only picking a few 90s models. Naomi Campbell and even Tyra Banks weren't exactly curvy they are really small as well. I grew up in the 90s and I've been hearing the attacks at the modeling industry and how they promote not only food disorders but also drug addiction mire entire life. Remember the 90s supermodels smoking and doing drugs? You won't see those images on UA-cam yet they exist. Kate Moss was known has Cocaine Kate for a reason and wasn't the only one. Heidi Klum has mention in a few interviews how she gained weight when she arrived in America and how she had to lose weight to continue to work so the pressure is still there. She was mostly a swimsuit model before she lost some weight so she could be on the runway same with people like Gigi Hadid who a few years ago was too sporty looking for the runway.
7:16 Henry Ford was NOT a US president 😂 He was the president and founder of the Ford company
I think you gained a lot of traction for your history research aspect in your videos and I loved seeing it so prominently in this new vid now :)))
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Henry Ford was the founder of Ford Motor Company. His great-grandson would later become president of the US.
I saw a photo shoot in NYC in the early 2000’s. She was thin, maybe a size 2-4, but in the back the dress was sliced open from top to bottom and held together with big clamps. It was so funny to me. Back in the day, Supermodels like Naomi, Cindy, Christy, Claudia etc we’re chosen for their real biological faces. Yes, models have always been touched up in print but models didn’t become “IT” girls/Supermodels after extensive plastic surgery…..looking at you Bella and Kendall. I guess when the “cat eye” look goes out of fashion they’ll release the stitches in their scalps and go back to their natural eye shape.
how were you able to be that close?
@@samaraisnt They used these big clamps with rubber grips. So it was very visible. I think those clamps also protected the garment’s fabric so it could be restored if necessary. The shoot was on a small hill/embankment in Central Park and we just walked around the crew as we were going through the park. As a young woman from the country and a then Vogue subscriber, it was the first time I saw a professional photo shoot. Imagine my surprise when I saw the back of the dress spilt open and clamped into place. That gave me and my city cousins a good laugh 😂
Sadly their facelift procedures are permanent. They can dissolve fillers but this fox eye intense facelift isn’t going anywhere and I’m sure it’s not going to look good once they hit 35
Hi Mina, thank you for sharing the whole background of modeling history with such clarity. I have been modeling for five years now (I am 25), for freelancing gigs. I am not very tall (165 cm) and I mostly work for independent projects and exhibitions. I truly believe that social media is getting modeling much easier to reach, therefore it's a saturated path: as you said, high fashion brands prefer to work with celebrities, while the rest of the gigs are superficial and short term. Unfortunately, if a girl is seriously interested in getting a modeling career in the runaway shows, there are a few well-known agencies which work for prestigious clients (such as Elite models). The rest of the agencies might work or not, depending on its popularity, location, the agents, etc... although they may offer just a few gigs once in a while.
My best advice is taking it as an experience, and understanding what path works best for you (commercial, runway, editorials, Playboy...). However, don't expect to become rich by modeling only, especially if you are trying to break out in the fashion industry: the payments are low related to the cost of living that a model should follow (eating quality food, beauty regimes etc...). Additionally, it could be physically and emotionally hard sometimes due to the strict body and beauty standards. Besides that, modeling can be a beautiful life experience if you get into your inner circle!
I always wonder about how wild the specific model/fashion competition reality show there were in the 00's-10's like ANTM and all the international versions, Make me a supermodel, America's Most Smartest model, She's got the look, the agency, the shot, project runway.
I'm not going to lie I loved this genre
You are amazing girl! I just watch your videos no matter the subject lol. 💞
7:20 if im not mistaken (im british so could be) it was president grant who introed the 8 hr work day, henry ford was never president, but ford pioneered assembly lines
I think social media have a big impact to model industry. It is a big deal for the designers and companies to have a model/influencer/singer/actor etc who has millions of subscribers.
I don’t know but maybe someday this bubble 🫧 will burst 🤷🏻♀️ When we no longer connect our lives with social medias.
Omg that’s my video! 🥰 Thank you for the shoutout! I completely agree. There are too many pockets and micro pockets for there to be ONE sole it girl!
my friends and I were talking about what we like to watch on UA-cam and I said video essays then had to explain what it was.
My best friend chimed in with “oh yeah- you like to watch that girl with the tiny eyebrows”
She’s definitely seen me watch you a handful of times XD
Love your content so much
thank you for sharing it with us
I keep coming back to your videos even though I am not a fashion fan but indeed a thrifter and love hand-me-downs.
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The reason I come back is your thoughtfulness, delivery, and your cool factor.
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Thanks for being here. xoxoxox from South Carolina, USA
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still waiting for mina’s vogue cover tbh
Mina, Henry ford was not a US President! Just the ford factory guy. Woodrow Wilson was pres at the time. Gerald ford was the guy in the 70s who succeeded Nixon after watergate.
(Edit to say I had to look it up too, I could see how it could be confusing!)
Yeah, I also had to double check but research for this video is all-over the place. Looks like she didn't prepare for this one.
YES THANK YOU. Jeez..
Back when I was in college Lane Bryant was doing this huge model search. They wanted to hire a bunch of models that would be contracted for a year, with the possibility of renewing. I looked into the contract details to see if I was interested because I was in the size range they were looking for and had the proportions that they would usually use for their ads. One of the biggest things I noticed was that you were obligated to remain the same weight and dimensions during that period. Like even losing five pounds or becoming slightly more muscular from exercising could get you in trouble for breach of contract. It sounded so stressful that I dropped that idea real quick.
Just wanted to say, that dress is super cute. Love it!
This was an excellent video. And very informative.
What stood out to me was “Everybody is looking for the Kate Moss and Natalia Vodianiva” - But no one is looking for the black girl or the minority girl.
i dont think henry ford was a US pres.... just pres. of Ford Motors, the car company
6:00 your pronunciation of 'longchamps' made my soul die
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Poor Tatjana…blurred out and unmentioned! For some reason she just didn’t go the distance in the supermodel era, despite being on that famous cover.
AND George Michael’s video.
my favorite youtuber once again strikingggg ❤
Mina are you considering putting out a non-fiction book about fashion history? The burn about the Welsh model with her fur stool had me dying of laughter. Also I'd love it if you release a q&a video soon
This video was so good to listen to while painting my nails
As always, very well researched and presented. I am so glad you create videos that are entertaining and informative instead of showing endless days of making lemon water/green juice/avocado toast and doing your workout routine.