I feel like The Rows no phone policy was a missed opportunity to have a fashion sketch artist and bring back fashion illustration into the main stream in a profound way
The Olsen twins is an interesting example of celeb privacy because they were really famous really young. I can completely understand overcorrecting to being really private after a childhood in the spotlight.
yeah i remember when there were “countdown” websites to their 18th birthdays. i wouldn’t even live in the states after experiencing some shit like that tbh
@@sp.2778 they also had their mental health splashed across the pages. i remember when mary kate went into rehab and it was like turned into a laughing matter and the media was acting as if it was a character flaw in her. they're a bit older than me but i remember my heart just breaking for them as i watched how their teenage years were treated by everyone. they were treated to some of the most vile things before they were even eighteen. it's no wonder they've kind of both clung to one another and have kind of hermited themselves away from the public. their whole lives were for consumption from the time they were babies. i'm glad honestly that they've been able to maintain their privacy so well. it's something i have a lot of respect for them.
This is just a reminder that you can move and shift your boundaries whenever you need to. Even you, person who isnt famous. Don't let anyone dictate what you can be comfortable with
I think some celebrities follow 0 people because so many stans track who their faves are following and freak out if they suddenly follow or unfollow someone. It might be a way of keeping their connections close to their chest
Right, especially kpop stans. Extremely popular groups like BTS can’t even follow a woman or post a photo with them without people acting like they committed a crime
Well considering the larger social implications and ramifications they can both have, and that were discussed in this video, I can absolutely understand the first at least
I have been a working model for about 15 years in a runway model for about eight. I can tell you that many of the professional models were/are getting less work because more designers are giving them to influencers because they want that social media clout. Not only do many influencers often not have a proper catwalk, but they are often very late, sometimes rude and don't have the basic good etiquette of understanding that your job is to model clothes and not necessarily to look pretty. .. which may mean that you may get a hairstyle or a makeup or clothes that you think may not be flattering to you. But the most frustrating part about it is that behavior would never fly for a professional model. A producer or designer would tell you to leave and you'd never be booked again. But the designers would let these influencers act like this because they didn't want the influencers to publicly talk about someone reprimanding them on social media... But still talk badly about the influencers behavior when they weren't around.. but NEVER to the influencers face. I personally watch this one influencer (who I will not name) rummage through the clothes for the show, and put on outfit. When the designer asked why she was wearing that outfit that was meant for somebody else. She told him she picked it because it was the color better suited her. .... It was a tussel because the outfits are picked out and fitted for each model in advance... I watched another influencer, redo her makeup in a style she thought made her look more pretty instead of going with the established design the MUAs were given for the theme. As a working model it is very difficult to see this, because there is a lot of training that goes into walking properly at the runway and it does get very frustrating to be turned down for work because you are blatantly told that you're 3,000 followers makes you less valuable than the person with no runway skills that has hundreds of thousands.
I think the company or designer is to blame here yes influencers can act entitled but it's the designer who has the upper hand yes I get it they want publicity but they should ratio their models in like 1:4 influencer to models if that makes any sense but it's j my opinion I'm in no way involved in the fashion industry I'm j a fashion consumer 🧚♀️✨
@@littledaisy194yeah this is the real problem. I understand that it must be frustrating for professional models, but we shouldn't normalise a shitty system like that. Honestly it sounds like models should unionise. Designers shouldn't be able to end your career because you had one bad day.
People are so used to everything being shown on the internet. Forgetting they are not entitled to see everything going on so once there is the privacy boundary people start to freak.
Agreed. I’m sitting here shaking my head at the idea of the internet being an equalizer, as if all gatekeeping is always bad. If an event isn’t public, then it’s not, and there’s nothing wrong with that. The host has every right to decide, no different than a guest list for a wedding or a birthday. The world doesn’t have to be treated equally when it comes to private events. I think people who think that phones should always be allowed should stop and think about how not allowing phones or photos is a privacy issue, and that being rich doesn’t mean that every bit if privacy you ever had is gone. These people need to ask themselves why they think they’re entitled to go to the private events of strangers they have no connection to. Would Mina be okay with her private events being shared with the world because someone else decided they had the right to watch her private places? It’s all right to have envy at not getting to go to an event. It’s not all right to demand that you have a right to access, and if you can’t go, the you’re going to see it all anyway. Talk about not respecting boundaries.
Frl!! And the thing with gatekeeping. Like people seriously need to get over themselves and find some originality. Like if people don't wanna share where they got their shit, just move on omg
I think the celebrity vs influencer thing also has something to do with how people perceive celebrities as talented, hard-working individuals who earned their fame and status and so therefore earn their place in these fashion shows, etc. compared to influencers whom people perceive as getting famous quickly over some lucky viral moment and therefore are not deserving of everything that comes with that fame.
I agree, though I don’t believe all celebrities are necessarily talented or hard-working individuals, or at least nowadays. They just buy their way into everything because they can afford it. Edit: I reread your comment and saw you said that people/the public perceive celebrities as such and that they aren’t always/actually talented and hard-working.
but it has to an extent peeled the illusion of “earned fame” back because influencing has led to a lot of people realizing how many celebrities are actually nepo babies and got their start in the industry by having a family member or friend that knew someone to get an opportunity. even if a celeb is technically talented, there’s some sort of nepotism at play always and now that’s common knowledge.
Or that influencers are really there as second-class hype machines which is exactly the case. People aren't into the fashion but they might be invited to attend these shows because they have it in their contract that they'll share about it online.
When it comes to influencers, usually it is due to an accidental viral moment, but also a lot of the derision is due to the belief influencers have that they are inherently more knowledgable, even if they aren’t, even when they’re spreading misinformation to a legion of fans who, to be the best fan, believes every word. Celebs usually don’t claim to be any degree of expert on things they don’t know much about. Influencers also try to see the public a curated image that is supposed to be their “real” lives, while celebs don’t pretend that what we see them doing is their real public lives. I’ve seen more medical information come from influencers who conveniently forget that they aren’t doctors, whose fans turn around and echo them without understanding jack (my daughter ended up a pariah for a while over this shit), than I’ve seen from doctors who aren’t trying to be entertainers. Influencers use their mistaken belief that their follower count legitimizes their views and their “this is the real me” presentation to get others to listen to them. We don’t believe celebs the same way. Kim Kardashian, who everyone sees as fake as most celebs are since we expect acting from them, genuinely is working on becoming a licensed lawyer, won’t be seen as as much of authority on law as Mina, who people expect to be showing her real self when she talks like she’s the authority on stuff, would be seen an authority on medicine. Celebrity versus influencer makes the difference. We have no bar for the influencers we see as being authentic, but impossibly high bars for celebrities. When a lot of the fame influencers have is ultimately due to how they use their platforms to make themselves out to be authorities, yeah, people are going to see them as not deserving it.
I like how that lamp behind your head makes it look like you are wearing a cute little red fez hat! I'm having a sad day. That cheered me up (momentarily, at least).
Attending a Waldorf school from kindergarten through senior year of high school was truly wild. Because of the almost total ban on screens, I feel like I missed out on a lot of the pre 2012 internet. When I was finally allowed online, I spent almost all of my time glued to my computer. A little screen time is good, but a total ban can lead to becoming easily addicted when restrictions get lifted
Good to know. I looked into a Waldorf school, because I wanted my kid to go to a school that bans screens. But they want parents to severely limit them at home as well! That's too much. I was able to improve my life quality dramatically through a successful career because of what I did and learned on a computer on my own as a child. No way I'm banning screens at home.
@chryselene It is true that it's not good to raise children so strict or be so strict on people because it can cause rebellion. I think being so strict on kids and people in itself is harmful too.
My waldorf schools "highly encouraged" limited to no screen time and I am very grateful for it. I still watched tv with my family, had a smart phone by freshman year of high school, and watched youtube on our home computer. My dad introduced me to video games, too. I will say that it wasn't a total ban (although how does that work unless your parents are in support of it too?), so I'm grateful for that aspect too. but what the restriction of screens granted me was an awareness and control over technology and the role of social media/advertisement in my life. I can recognize when something I see online is motivated by profit, and how I can stop tuning in when it has no worth to me.
❤🎉EXACTLY @chryselene being raised in the 80s and 90s with *no cable* (It's the modern day equivalent for those younger than me.) *In hindsight* -- It was a RARE luxury. Now I consume content with DISCERNMENT bc I actually had time to establish an identity that knows HOW to think not WHAT to think.
Your last point on Emma Chamberlain reminds me of what happened with Ashley from bestdressed. She stopped posting on YT for her own reasons and many of her fans were upset she never explained why.
I recently thought about Ashley after seeing a ig post of hers and I felt like seeing an old friend that stopped texting back. I know it’s not the same thing and I’m the one to blame for creating a fictional connection with someone I don’t personally know. But at the same time, after watching her for a long time, I can’t help but wish for an explanation…like, even just to know she’s fine
@@daria_cozano, the blame is shared. Content creators work very hard to cultivate a loyal following both for own creative fulfillment as well as to improve their personal brand's commercial value. So, if you show up with your attentive eyeballs video after video, it is kind of rude/thoughtless for those creators to just ghost their viewers. By the same token, content creators are after all as human as the rest of us so sometimes the problems that drive them off a platform are to deep for public consumption, eg family illness, addiction recovery, etc.😢
@@EyeGlassTrainofMind I remember that, that’s why I wish I could know she’s well. At least she didn’t disappear from the whole internet and that’s reassuring 🫶🏻
As someone who’s given up on all forms of social media since January 2023 (except for UA-cam and Letterboxd) I’ve been able to value the privilege of my privacy without being glued to what other people are doing. It’s been a savior toward my own mental health. Great and well-researched video once again. I always look forward to your work
@@kippie2414 For me, as someone who's done that, you just don't quit cold turkey. It's a long process. First, I realized that social media has always given rise to negative emotions in me, particularly reading through comments in FB and Twitter and seeing how awful people can be. It made my declining mental health worse. Starting 2018, I started to resist opening comments on those platforms and just focused on posts. Stayed in FB to keep in touch with the news, then just moved to Twitter completely. Then even there I started spending less time around 2020, and just watched UA-cam videos, where I can choose and curate what I want to watch and where the comment section was much better. I also picked up reading again. UA-cam videos, watching films/shows, story-driven offline video games, and reading---those are time consuming activities, and bc of that I don't have time for social media anymore. In fact, I never deleted any app, they're still on my phone, and I open them every few months when I see an interesting notification. However, I would feel the negative emotions again when I start to go down some rabbit hole, so I would know when to stop. Nowadays, my only actual proof of life for friends is IG stories, where I sometimes post but never check my feed. That also relates to my personal life; I stopped caring about what people are up to unless they are very important to me. I also never downloaded TikTok when it became popular, and it's easy to resist sth you never knew. However, there is one negative effect, and that is not knowing what's going on, esp world news lol I'm always late. But there are other avenues for that, and now I can actually take time to think for myself and form my own opinions w/o getting bombarded by other people's thoughts and feelings. TL;DR take your time, pick up hobbies/focus on sth else, get rid of fomo
I’m not sure if it’s because I’m an elder millennial but i just use UA-cam and FB, but in FB my profile it’s private and the people i have as friends in that social media are real people i know in person.
singer/songwriter here 👋🏻 promoting yourself SUCKS. especially for artists. the last thing we wanna do is ‘promote’ or ‘sell’ anything. we wanna create. but, sadly in order for it to be sustainable- and have people take us seriously- we need to have some sort of platform/audience online. love the video mina as per usual !
I definitely get this, and I often wonder which is better: artists having to do everything themselves but maintaining control over their art, or artists having the luxury of a team / label to manage the marketing but lose control over what they can or cannot create?
When Mina was talking about tech discrepancy in schools, I think that is unfortunately SO TRUE. I worked in an urban school as a teacher and had to put the kids on city/state computer programs daily to “provide instruction” and was encouraged to use the smart-board and computers every opportunity I could. The kids then went home and went on their personal devices, especially kids who were not in afterschool activities and whose families were working. I seriously got concerned by how much screen addiction there is
I think the push towards tech in schools made sense in the 90s to early 2000s, maybe even until the early 2010’s, as tech was often inaccessible to poorer kids. It’s crazy to see how fast it’s become the opposite.
My neighbor took their child out of the public school in my town (lower SES school) and put them in a private, Waldorf school because the public schools “depended on screens too much”. Illuminates this point so much about privilege and technology in schools. Who would have thought we’d be here.
Imagine thinking Austin Butler is pretentious for liking a popular, critically claimed cowboy western movie as a child. It's like people forget that the guy grew up in the film industry and regularly watched a plethora of movies with his family. Mind you, when they say "as a child," maybe he was talking about his favourite movie as a 12 year old, and a lot of 12 year olds would not say Toy Story. Like you mentioned in this video, I think it has to do a lot with resentment and envy. People think, "How dare this man think he's superior to me because he engages with art that I find challenging/different instead of consuming easily accessible art?!" when in reality, Austin is not assuming anything and is probably just saying his favourite movie. Nothing wrong with more easily accessible art, but if someone doesn't prefer it, they'll immediately get labelled as "pretentious" and "elitist". My nephew is 15 years old and his favourite movie is a Tarkovsky movie - is he "pretentious" or just an avid cinephile that likes to explore diverse genres? The rise in anti-intellectualism, assumptions, envy, etc, is saddening.
Agreed! If he was like “Fitzcarraldo”, I would get the eye rolling but one of the most famous westerns of all time that has both artistic merit but also cowboys and soldiers and everything else little boys like? Culture is becoming such a universal sludge that everything outside of the most mainstream is now pretentious and if you aren’t buying merch for popular female pop star between buying tickets for popular animation studio turned media monopoly while buying popular fanfic turned book then you are a poser and a liar because how could you want to consume anything else? Nobody else wants to be challenged by media, so why should you? It’s a nightmare.
Also people forget that it’s not unheard of for people to have different childhood experiences. I think he said his dad would watch TCM with him all the time. I can relate having grown up with our family having limited cash so relying on PBS, the local library,a few treasured kids films, and my grandparents classic film collection on VHS, so favorites as a very kid were a mixed between classic Disney and dreamworks, and stuff like 1930’s Robin Hood, the Scarlet Pimpernel, or off brand kids movies like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Plus watching a lot of satellite tv with grandparents later led to naturally a lot of classic television and TCM. Kids will get obsessed with the weirdest stuff, I bet it’s pretty common in both film families or in multigenerational households for them to fixate on media that might not be “typical” but has wide appeal
also as I do a bit of voice work and have my go to voices, u can just slip into the voices sometimes bc u trained to easily start talking like that, I can imagine talking like that 24/7 for months would stick around for a bit
That depends; is his favorite Stalker or Andrei Rublev? Jokes aside, I think that your observation highlights the sad hypocrisy of the situation. There is apparently demand for access and authentic interaction, but then tremendous backlash when the reality doesn't match up with the preconceived image. One is damned if one does and damned if one does not. And, for the record, it's a toss up between Mirror and The Sacrifice for me.
i don't know anything about austin butler, but, as someone who mimics accents / speech patterns without even realizing i'm doing it, i kid of want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
@@Fruttipistachio he’s not the only actor to have to intensely study/learn an accents… there are serious method actors who don’t have the same issue. he’s delusional 😂
Yes I have a bad habit of mimicking accents very quickly. Sometimes I have to make a conscious effort to not sound like I'm making fun of someone I was talking to for like 5 minutes 😂
So many thoughts… as a mid 20’s artist living in New York who grew up during the rise of social media and has experienced the exponential rise of self marketing via that platform- thoughts of privacy and needing to use my phone constantly come up a lot for me. Lately I’ve been realizing that using social media has not only become an intense time waster and dopamine vampire, but also has dulled my inner voice to the point I ask myself “am I making this because I like this or do I like it because I saw it on instagram?”. I think artists- and everyone- have suffered a huge impact in our ability to create from an authentic place because I don’t think the human mind actually can process how many lives and ideas and products and art that we’re exposed to all day and night. It is very important to be able to recognize when you need outside influence, and when you don’t. And those times In life change and constantly have their own effects- but as a society we have lost that right to choose when. Yeahhhhh it’s really sad too cause I WANT TO THROW MY PHONE IN THE RIVER BUT I NEED IT TO MARKET MYSELF AND COMMUNICATE IN ORDER TO PAY MY RENT. Ahhhh
Hey, me too! I'm 20 and currently I'm studying graphic design at central saint martins if you know the uni. If there wasn't a need to market my work and keep up with my peers' work, I would literally delete the app. But unfortunately it's going to be my livelihood so i HAVE to 'keep up' quite literally.
Girl I feel this so hard. I would love to be able to give up social media but I can't because I am in a creative career and need it for networking and self-marketing 🙃
I really liked that quote about artists "needing" to skillfully package themselves as products for buyers to consume now. I've become quite disillusioned with so many parts of social media feeling like Ads- constantly trying to make me do or want or be something different... to create a feeling of lack that was never there in the first place.
I quit instagram and snapchat in 2019 after a couple of years of seeing unwanted ads. There used to be a time where there were no ads on insta or snap and it was soooooo fun. But then they got bought out and slowly the ads popped up on insta and one day you went on snapchat and they had changed the layout to include (and force you to watch) ads. Man social media was fun before that
all public figures are going to be hated on to various extents. that's kind of the reality of putting yourself out there, people can and will judge you for anything and everything, valid or not.
It's because they desperately want to feel like they are better than someone else. It's the mentality of "I may be doing this but at least I'm not...."
I don’t think it’s right to make blanket statements about “influencers” like some people do in a derogatory way but there are legitimate critiques to be made about certain influencers (i.e. Shane Dawson, Ruby Franke come to mind) and “influencer culture” which encourages things like overconsumption, toxic beauty standards, and child exploitation
western celebs may not bring in the numbers but in the kpop scene, a lot of kpop idols who are endorsed by high end fashion brands trend on twt when they attend events !!
fans make it their mission to like every post and trend tags. It is the newest form of competition between fandoms. Everyone wants their fave to be the most talked about.
probs because they bring in a lot of money from their devoted fans (no hate to the idols ofc), i'm in a group chat and there's this one person who will encourage us (pretty intensely) to buy products, trend tags and like posts ALL THE TIME. and whenever i see my faves walking in the runway (go felix!) or modelling i like the post, buy the magazine, whatever, because if it's them i'm probably going to invest. the brands know what they are doing.
I am not famous or a model or in the fashion industry or even a content creator, but when I went on my social media hiatus and quit everything entirely, every time I admitted to being 'offline' to someone they would act shocked or 'wowed' by my decision. It's kinda wild that getting off social media is treated like this huge act as though I ran a marathon or started a charity. It really shows how everyone is so glued to their devices.
Fans being upset about their celeb’s privacy is sooo real and true; I’m an Emma Watson fan and I know many in my fandom are really upset or don’t respect her choose privacy. They act as if it’s there right for her to post about her personal life
just noting that screens are infinite entertainment for a fixed price, so much less expensive than paying for camps or sports or classes for your kids where they can be entertained in a truly social face go face way. i do feel bad for parents who don’t have the time or means to keep their kids engaged in more meaningful ways
@@WinterWind I was going to comment this too. Libraries are a great free resource. Many libraries also have online resources like ebooks, audiobooks, and subscriptions to newspapers and magazines all for free.
@@WinterWindLibraries are being closed all over the USA from lack of funding and rightwing politicians are actively planning to get rid of them altogether. You are very luck to have one that is still functioning as it is meant to.
The ignorance to say “just use a well stocked, well funded library” Y’all. 💀 Just don’t live in a food desert. Just attend the best school in the country. What’s the problem I don’t get it???/
I’m glad you touched on the Rachel Zelegar/Snow White comments. It’s been bothering me that she received such a massive backlash for expressing her opinions on the source material, yet people praised Dakota Johnson for her not so subtle dislike of Madam Web, as well as Robert Patterson for his distain towards Twilight. I feel like people just latch onto whatever narrative is being pushed through ‘news’ outlets. They most likely just choose the reporting angle that will receive the most clicks and roll with it.
It's honestly so bothersome the way people don't even know what feminism is and then proceed to give 'hot takes' with the idea that people will follow along. Like no sis, you did not eat. 😒
Also I’m pretty sure the original Snow White isn’t that many people’s favorite animated Disney movie (especially someone from her age range). Snow White herself isn’t a super relatable character. So I don’t know why people think it’s weird that the actress isn’t falling all over herself at being that particular Disney princess.
Because some of very things she was criticizing about the animated movie was untrue. The prince did not stalk her, for one. And while snow white was awakened by the prince, it is not that accurate that she was saved by him, or ONLY by him, considering all the other substantial aid she got from the huntsman, dwarves, and forest animals who all did so due to snow white kindness/innocence so in a lot of ways snow white saved herself and get poetic justice. That being said, a lot of the problem is on Disney for they failed to work with her on what she should and should not say.
I think it's hilarious that the row banned cellphones and its a stroke of marketing genius. Their brand is classic, subdued, and exclusive. That is the best marketing strategy for their quiet luxury brand. Also they get enough buzz on social media given the fact that literally every celebrity wears them in their Vogue 7 days 7 outfits videos. The Olsen twins know what they are doing and considering they came from child stardom... I'm here for it. This won't kill the access influencers and social media have to other brands.
I watch another UA-camr who says we aren't there to experience first. We know it all secondhand. We read reviews before we get it, we hear about it before we try, we read a person's profile before we meet them. The curation of the image or profile is what matters today. You see it too but from the two angles influencer and quiet celebrity.
I think that’s so true! Ive been trying to stay away from peoples opinions more because i genuinely think over time it errodes our sense of self. Being exposed to so many people’s opinions before we’ve had a chance to form our own cannot be healthy imo
I don’t know much about fashion shows but personally I don’t see why banning phones or taking photos/videos should be a problem. It’s just like how taking pictures/videos is forbidden at theater and ballet performances or classic orchestra concerts.
Because the fashion industry depended a lot on tech and social media ever since the internet became accessible. I understand the woes of fashion influencers since their coverage of the shows are their bread and butter but I also do respect the insistence of The Row for preserving their brand image. The Row surely expected this backlash but it's the kind of backlash they're actually expecting to put their brand in the latest gossip chain. It's a clever move and also serves as a reminder for fashion influencers that the brand is still the boss, not them.
Ultimately it's because of the turnover expected of the content. The press don't review a show when it is open, they have press nights. Films have press screenings and days of interviews. Journalists have time to create content. Fashion shows are so quick and not repeatable and the content so often needs to be produced immediately. Using phones to make notes or take photos for reference is obviously going to be helpful to someone looking back at a huge number of clothing items they have to write or make videos about.
I feel like despite fashion show visually aiming to look somewhat like a performance of an art form, in essence what it actually is is a trade show, so the dynamics of the promotion and information exchange is completely different here, than what would've been in a theatre spectacle or an orchestra concert.
Ppl are entitled now. And crazy. I've literally been ostracized bc I refused social media for nearly 2 decades. Even during my divorce when your attorney says to close your accounts to win. Still ostracized. Social media is for ppl to make no effort to be real friends imo.
As you kept talking I realized this is a very “living in a global superpower”/first-second world conversation, especially re: “it’s a privilege to not be an iPad baby and connect with your family”. Poor kids in third world countries are not experiencing this iPad baby pandemic, they do connect with their families even though their families often work insane hours bc of the high need for labor in countries that are only partially industrialized; I’m saying this as a third culture kid originally from one of these countries. I think there is something about American culture that contributes to this as well.
I also think living in a first world country especially in the western world there is the notion of rugged individualism and capitalistic living therefore prioritising yourself and money for example people leave home at an earlier age like here in the uk for example you leave home at 18 to study for university then ultimately fall into the working world and there is this separation from family whereas in "developing countries" community and family are much more of a priority and people live at home for much longer etc etc also in the western world the rate of childbirth the size of families and those choosing to start a family are all decreaisng so it is definitely a debate of culture and geography as well
Tbh this can be said about any of Mina’s/other social commentary UA-camrs’ videos. I eat them up tho in my 3rd world country, quite entertaining to learn about the first world struggles
I mean… Austin Butler liking ‘The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly’ isn’t a big deal. These interviewers are often asking cinephiles these questions… and a lot of cinephiles consume film in a very different way and from a young age. Hence why they are ‘cinephiles’. Plus that move Butler mentions isn’t exactly pretentious, it’s just old. Maybe if he mentioned some obscure Japanese art house film I’d be like “yeah okay there bud.” But that was a blockbuster at the time and is on Turner Classics all the time. It’s so silly 😂
Even if he liked something super arthouse... that doesn't make him a liar who is trying for the camera, because some people prefer that. We've reached peak anti-intellectualism and the audience members have reached peak notions of self-entitlement in regards to those they deem to be public figures. You reach the point where you feel like telling the audience "and who the fuck are you and what have YOU done with your life to warrant behaving like that to another person?"
Im just on last section now: it’s worth noting here in a Ireland there is a big thing about “not having notions” aka thinking highly of yourself & I think that’s why Cillian is the way he is as that has a choke hold on Irish society
@sams3015 right? Everyone not from Ireland is quick to deem him some moody pretentious artist when he's just Irish and knows that no matter how famous he gets outside Ireland, if his childhood school in Cork insists on plastering his picture on the front of the school with, "Good luck Cillian!" on it...all his friends are going to take the piss 3 seconds later. The group chat must have been brutal for days after. For anyone who doesn't know what we are like Google "trying to be fashionable in Ireland" tweets. We all love Barry Keoghan. I love his fashion risks...have I made fun of his fashion risks? Yes, because he looks like he's never been told.
The thing that has stopped me from having an online shop to sell my art is everything besides making the art. I'm good at what I do. I am not good at social media. I am not good at advertising myself. I am not good at finances. I am not good at dealing with people. Heck I'm not even good at taking pictures. There a way too many skills I'd have to learn because I cannot afford help, and honestly, I don't think I'm capable of learning all those skills.
as an illustrator / designer / designer who doesnt use tiktok and HATES voiceover work the solitary artist bit really hit home. wish my work could 100% speak for itself and i didnt have to be a charismatic personality. that being said, longtime lover of your content and i appreciate your hard work!!
There are ways to showcase your work without being a personality! Lots of the artists I follow create process-focused content :) I do see lots of people doing voiceovers of interesting stories but visual stories and compilations are effective as well :)
i quit all major social media platforms a year or two ago after a major paychiatric crisis that required hospitalization. in my experience, it has been both liberating to have this sense of privacy and not have to care about what others think, and also very isolating because almost everyone communicates this way now. im a university student at a small college and now i miss all of the updates on student orgs and events because they're all disseminated through social media, even for things like our student food pantry. i think it goes back to what you were saying about these celebrities having teams of people they can use as points of contact with the outside world without having to be on social media 24/7, which is itself a social reproduction of the gated community mentality. like, if you're like me and you don't have social media but you need to know when the food pantry is open and it's on social media, then im coerced into giving up my privacy to access a resource i need. justin bieber doesnt have that problem because he's insulated by his wealth (obv). but i think the worst thing is how most people look at you like you're crazy when you say you're not on social media, because they feel entitled to see your entire life on a screen now that all my generation has grown up with is facebook and instagram pages.
23:00 to be fair, not every actor wants the limelight. loving what you do for a living - acting and playing/slipping into different roles and their minds and lives - does not mean for everyone that they want to also be a public figure in their personal life. It's their JOB, some want the professional and private not be mixed and I am rooting for it! :)
When people complain about celebrities (and influencers, to an extent) "trying too hard" in media and advertising their aforementioned media, I think a key thing some forget is that these people are WORKING. That is their JOB. People approach their work in multiple different ways, and no one has the same working style, but if I had a financially-stable job that fulfilled me every day and made me excited to live, I'd be trying hard too, because I would be genuinely HAPPY and therefore would have more of an incentive to put my best--and most positive--foot forward.
30:43 This is so true!! “He’s good and he tries hard” There is also an air of “passive success,” or talent that ignores the hard work or skill that goes into it.
Kyle McClaughlin is super active on instagram, always posting birthday posts for his old costars and sharing fan art that he gets tagged in. It's not a exactly a window into his private life but he definitely stays humble by keeping up with the fans and you can tell he appreciates his cult following and just eats it up. I think that's part of why he was invited to walk in the runway show, not because he's so private that it's intriguing for him to be included but because of his internet cult status as the GOAT humble actor who picks tasteful roles. It was bound to create the right kind of buzz and it did! He killed it
I remember randomly seeing a video from him saying "things I ate and survived" and then a picture of him in a (honestly hard to describe) look from Dune (1984). Caught me off guard I was laughing so hard, whoever is running his account is funny af
On the topic of famous people getting access without deserving it. I work in animation in a high role, and it's a tough pill to swallow that I can work on a movie for years. Produce hundreds of integral artworks for the film, and make only a tiny fraction of what a voice actor on the film makes for a few days of work. I still have to hustle and worry if I'll be able to afford a safe and healthy life for my kid. And when the film is announced, most anyone talks about is the main voice actor. All the power is the advertising.
I don't know enough about this topic to put my thoughts together in an eloquent way, but I think we're seeing something similar happening with the internet like we saw/are seeing with fast fashion and fast food. It's all about instant gratification, and celebrities can't always provide something 'instantly' because they're working on durational products. TikTokers/influencers on the other hand have the "luxury" of being able to make things as and when they want (for the most part). And I think as with all things we're now on the downward curve where we've had too much 'fast internet' and are creeping back towards 'traditional internet'. I truly have no idea if that made any sense lmao
It does make sense. I have deleted TikTok because I find most short content way to shallow, I'd rather watch one long youtube video where the creator has the time to go into as much details as needed to bring the point across.
i'm just tired of everyone acting like every negative thing that comes with progress is the end of the world. like do we need an essay about how toxic and strange and bad everything is? this all comes in phases
I think one of the reasons why some celebs don't follow anyone is if there is a falling out on any of their friends it's not as public or if anyone they follow did a crime or is being called out by the whole internet, they probably wouldn't want to be associated with them.
I had to take back my privacy for my mental health. I (in my late teens/early 20s) used to over share every little detail. Now I (in my early 30s) haven't posted on ig in almost a year, I never post anything personal on other sns (going on like 5 years), and the only reason I keep my phone on me is to respond to msgs and obvious safety concerns. My screen time is spent watching UA-cam and streaming (because much to the chagrin of a few of my friends, I haven't opened tiktok in months). Eventually the feeling of fomo leaves and you're much more peaceful with missing the trends or the memes. So if you're a regular person, not even an influencer or a celebrity, and you've been thinking about detoxing those things from your life, just do it.
23:39 I remember this time I worked with a media professor and artist, and he was telling us about a time when he decided to "opt out" of phones and social media and his wife eventually forced him to "opt in" again because she had to become his unofficial secretary and middleman for all communication matters.
The 'unsafe without phone' comment, yes! !! Anytime I see a male content creator encouraging audiences to 'leave your phone at home' and go wandering (many times into the woods, at night, throughout the city, into unknown spaces) I think wow what a privileged stance. Also I hope young women listening don't follow that misplaced advice.
To me the "actors known for their villan roles walking the runaway in suits like those iconic villains" worked because they did that well. When many times influencers are trying to walk like models and they are bad at it. If the elder gentleman would have tried to walk like hunky young male models it would have looked silly too.
Wow you hit the nail on the head when you talked about chat spaces back in the day and only being accessible to messages when you decided to log on or when you have the head space to deal with it. These days….There are some who expect you to respond almost immediately to texts and emails. It’s like you don’t have the opportunity to log off anymore.
I don't have notifications turned on for anything because it gives me anxiety to feel pressed to instantly reply to people. Some people are bothered by it but I refuse to compromise on this. 😅
Honestly, as a teenager, i really am on my phone too much. I find the section where you talk about screentime and class really informational. This is a great video ❤
My art process and research time is my hair a mess, half wearing pijamas , unclean face, not blinking because I just need to finish this idea before I lose the motivation. Really aesthetic I know.
I'm an historian and it's pretty similar for me. I just bought more pajamas recently because I finally admitted to myself that I write better when I'm in comfy clothing. No one cares what I look like when I'm writing, we all just want my dissertation to be done, lol
I think there is something to be said about how when celebrities are more offline we do not get to know whether or not we like them on a personal level so people develop a neutral respect towards them. However, people can find influencers who constantly podcast annoying or unfunny, because they have seen a side of them they have not seen with celebrities.
Dang. People absolutely can choose to stop over sharing. Imagine thinking people you don't know should tell you everything. I am trying to build a career of art but also keep a very THICK boundary for privacy.
Although I'm not doing art anymore cuz of burnout, I still am passionate about it and I want to build a career on it. I love dancing, acting, singing, and I really want to work with that, but hell am I scared of "having to overshare myself" just so I can get hired for roles. Reading your comment gives me hope
I write and I noticed that more and more publishers expect their writers to be on social media. They don't say it but you can see that not being on social media is a problem for some of them, cause it is a tool for promotion. At the end of the day I created a professional instagram count so I can share only thing related to writing and nothing else. I don't want to waste time sharing personal stuff with people on the internet, life's too short for that. And I don't want people to think they can ask me everything and I should respond. But anyway, I'm not famous, I'm note even published lol.
Since history always repeats itself, this really just seems like a new version of old money vs. new money all over again. It's really fascinating to watch
My observation from people who have gone low to no posting after making their careers from YT is there's very much a sense of "oh, so you think you're too good for us now???". Absolutely some do fall under that category - Drew Gooden's video on Lily Singhs really captures this, but also, no one is required to keep their job forever. The amount of people who start YT as literal teenagers who eventually start doing other things, it's such a weird take that they have to continue (forever I guess?) vlogging their life.
the thing about not following anyone also is because of the pressure of following everyone, emma chamberlain also said that, about everyone tracking who you follow and who you stop following, which is crazyyyyy that people really check that
Kinda feels like the same argument as old money vs. new money where the aristocracy and royalty were/are threatened by the newly minted upper class and I can totally see how some in the fashion space would see these 'influencers' as some how cheaper for how they came up and gained access to the same spaces as them. Some prestige banks on what they have access to vs. what the 'peasants' have access to.
Being an artist myself and having to constantly make reels about my process etc; that part really hit home. I enjoy making reels from time to time but having to upload consistently is so exhausting and the fear of drowning in the masses and not being able to pay my bills haunts me almost every day. I’m effectively creating less art to create more content. Love your content always, you have such smart and deep insights into things ❤
I think The Row banning cell phones is really simple. Ashley’s baby was probably there and she simply didn’t want any pictures taken of her child. And maybe didn’t want people commenting on her post baby body. Their are curated images of the collection available for review. Let’s all remember, fashion shows existed before cell phones. Those fashion critic pioneers had to use their memory and take detailed notes. Why can’t todays critics?
Amazing video. I think we are slowly but gradually getting over social media. Personally, deleting my socials and deactivating all notifications except from phone calls was the best decision I've made!
I am just thinking about Billie Eilish looking with disdain on the influencers at that recent award show. I think that is how people perceive influencers, as second class entertainers. There is famous, and there is internet famous. I wish you talked more about where kpop stars land in this discussion. None of them are a household name in the West and many aren't household names in Korea, Japan. But competing in the fashion market has become the newest competition between fandoms. People used to mock Blackpink members for being models more than they are singers. But then BTS members got their brands. Now everyone wants their idol to be a model attached to the hottest, most luxurious brand. There was even a girl group from Hybe that was in PFW show before they debuted. That sparked a lot of conversation. Also talking about privacy in the kpop space is very interesting. Idols have live streams from their bedrooms, have messaging apps where fans pay to hear what they have for breakfast. I feel like they have now become a middle between a musician and an influencer. They are both and privacy truly is a luxury for them.
I must say on one hand i do like when my favorite celeb communicate with us sharing their daily thoughts, hobbies so we can relate to them but also when it gets too much it just loses that aura and charisma
Its like when everyone was so mad that influencers were at the Met Gala but the Kardashians and other celebrities are always so talked about when they go. Though they dont really relate to high fashion.
Having to constantly market yourself is so exhausting. I recently released my debut novel, and trying to keep up so I make sales and can eventually do this full time leaves me not enough time to write and work full time. I’m gonna have to scale back to a couple times a week max, scheduled in advance so I take like a couple hours a week on social media posting only. But it’s so hard cause you really do have to stay on top of it if you want to succeed.
If I ever saw a commercial for Rolls Royce - it would immediately tarnish their image to me. It would no longer hold it's elite status. I feel like this could translate to Row fashion show. Olsen twins would completely ruin their branding of privacy and exclusiveness. They're intentional with their every step. Argue all you want - what they did clearly has made waves and fell back into the influencers, which is spreading their brand all over. They didn't sell their values by caving into directly using social media....sooooo. Genius. Can't we just have some things that don't need to be touched by socials?
I think what you said about gated communities and public spaces was so interesting! It's as if physical spaces, beauty and nature are finite resources that could disappear if too many ppl take part in it, and/or becomes "dirty" if The Poors and The Commoners come too close to it. I live in Sweden where we have "freedom to roam"/"everyman's right" (allemansrätten) and legal "protection of beaches" which basically means that, with some exceptions, everyone has the right to spend time in nature. While Sweden still has, like, gentrification, rich ppl and gated communities and the problems those things bring, I think that those legal rights have meant a lot for how accessible privacy & nature is to ppl in general. While rich ppl ofc still want to have their own spaces, I think most of them also see the benefit in publicly available natural areas, bc they enjoy them too. Nature & the experience of it, when maintained, isn't a finite resource, and it can be "used" by everyone as long as it's maintained and cared for. The system here and the fact that it has worked forever shows that.
I miss the old times when every conversation online had a beginning and an end and for me, that wasn't that long ago, like 10 years. Now, most of the time there is no "hello" or "gotta go", you open the chat, ask whatever you need to ask, and when the conversation is over you just stop writing or responding.
Another thing about celebrities not following anyone is because a follow on social media has been conflated to also represent an endorsement. A lot of “normal people” will of course follow the people who are - for example - the people who unfortunately lead their country, just to hear everything straight from the source, regardless of whether or not one agrees with them. Politics aside, a great example of this is Taylor Swift. After facing relentless, baseless, and extremely sexist media scrutiny in 2016, she went radio silent on her social media until she came back with the blockbuster reputation. Since then she has not followed a single person on social media, because otherwise there would be headlines speculating: “Taylor Swift unfollows XYZ on Instagram! Is there bad blood?” Or vice versa: “Taylor Swift follows XYZ on Instagram! She’s not innocent!”. I think this sort of ties in to what Emma Chamberlain was about not being able to control your own narrative. Ironic, considering most people use social media to reach exactly that goal of control and persona…
sometimes I overhear people talking about follows on Instagram like "no way she u followed her!!!" and it starts this whole thing where I'm like....all this over a social media follow??
It's crazy how privacy is sought after now but we're also in a loneliness epidemic. I think people are realizing that smaller closer groups without the pressure of performance are the ideal but after years of constant online presence, people don't know how to do it anymore.
when you mentioned the struggle of artists that have to be online to be able to sell/be known, it hit hard, I myself do a lot of stuff including crochet and jewerly and stuff and i love doing them but its so hard when its the time to make tedious reels and follow the trend of the week just so people can see your art.
Quiet fashion and privacy feels not only "classier" but also morally superior? Like the act of showing off is socially look down upon but if the means by which the money was obtained is not morally superior then nothing changes just because it's hidden. People got angry during pandemic times with celebrities showing off their mansions when the rest of us locked down in our little houses. But if they didn't film it that wouldn't make the world less unequal.
I feel like this is real reason for the push of exclusivity. It’s not for privacy cuz celebrities don’t make money if they are not visible and heard. They do want exclusivity tho to have clear separation between them and the average joe so critical engagement of thier “earnings “ can be waned. Essentially they are going back to exclusivity to hide the societal and moral disparities that exist
Just a note about the examples you mentioned who follow 0 people, they don't follow 0 people. If the number is greyed out like in their examples, it means they have hidden their follows. Blackpink's Jennie and Red Velvet's Yeri are among many Kpop idols who have done the same.
Funnily enough “The good the bad and the ugly” was my favourite movie growing up, not because I was super smart or anything, but because my dad had it on all… the… time… 🤷🏻♀️ maybe Austin’s parents were obsessed by Eastwood too 😂
Saying 0 followers is a way to show that celebrities don't use Instagram is a leap. I agree with a lot of this code but I can understand why someone doesn't want feeds. I have been trying to unfollow a lot of pages I used to follow in the 2010s because -some pages are dead , -some brand accounts with problematic marketing using unrealsitic body images - triggering content, pages that I now realise could be polarising or ignorant, -tabloids that I have grown out of or want to stop wasting time on. Over all, I'm trying to reduce my screen time and maybe be more thoughtful as a consumer of the content I am exposed to and I am not a popular person but I can see why someone could want 0 followers. Another reason I see is ,I also remember following pages because my favourite celebs followed them and that can cause an indirect affiliation. Its not the worst thing to be conscious of the possible issues with giving some pages visibility without really knowing their intentions, business model and ethics when you are in the public eye.
An ex and I looked into Montessori of the Penn for his daughter, and loved it, but the cost…ouch. The kid’s mom wouldn’t agree, and a judge, who ended up being personal friends with her attorney, agreed to let the mom homeschool instead, which she didn’t do. Queue up a bunch of drama. I really don’t think we can fairly say that it’s a privilege to not be online. Kicking back outside with a book is free. Radios still exist (though I think that counting time on Apple Music or Spotify counts as screen time when a radio doesn’t). There are a lot of no-screen options that are free. As someone who has been homeless, having a place to reliably charge devices is a luxury.
Influencers pull in the YOUTH. A lot of these brands have no clue what kids like, but whatever kids like is seen as cooler. Also means the brand will survive into the future.
It's important to point out that ANY parent can choose to not give their children screens. It is not only a luxury of the rich to raise your children without screens. It just has to be a deliberate choice.
I love finding new artists sharing the work on social media, I really think it has pushed artists to become better at what they do to stand out. …I just can’t stand the influencers who dole out crappy advice about what a person should or shouldn’t wear, what they should say or do, or brain dead relationship advice. I feel a little more inspired to share my work now. Thanks.
I think how fast you are in taking notes on different mediums is dependend on a) what you are used too b) how you take notes (for people not thinking in words or sentences it may be easier to use a notebook as they are not limited to letters, numbers and emojis) Edit: Your little giggle when mentioning Cilian Murphy is just so cute!
I have to say, banning the use of cell phones at live creative events is still a standard practice. Movies and plays still tell you to put your phone away and not record anything. It’s actually odd that fashion shows generally don’t follow this rule, but I truly see no harm in any designer banning cell phones at a fashion show.
I fully support The Row's ban on phones. I think it's so annoying when on special events you have professional photographers and videographers who want to fully capture everything, just to have annoying influencers and amateurs pushing their stupid phones right in front of their camera, thus ruining great shots. Or having extra work in postproduction to remove phones from shots.
Also, on the note of privacy, I do think especially in the US that people should take their data security more seriously. It’s interesting how in the 90s the internet was known for its anonymity, and now it is impossible to use completely anonymously. There is a growing need to be seen - and to experience the exclusive that seems at odds. (I also think in certain contexts, gatekeeping is not a bad word. Many marginalized communities use gatekeeping as a function to protect and preserve their cultures)
This is literally what I've been talking about for the past years - we used to be anonymous and somehow we were able to behave ourselves (yeah, yeah, generalizing here) - now, with our faces visible and our names signed we're hateful. It blows my mind, how some people on SM don't seem to grab it, that we actually see the name and the face to these awful words.
It used to be there was a distinct difference in how to conduct yourself on the Internet versus how to conduct oneself in real life, but since the “Age of Karens,” they’ve been merging, and it is really unsettling and makes me uneasy.
I was raised in a rural area. I look back at it with such fondness now that my livelihood is made by spending time in front of a screen 24/7. Incredibly genuine social connections, fulfilling activities, more time outdoors, freedom of movement all at little to no cost. I also understand that there's a social contract between celebrities and their fans. But there's a level where it becomes an unhealthy obsession. Especially when fans demand minute by minute update of their lives. It becomes less about admiration, and more about wanting to live precariously through them. It's a fantasy of a life most people feel they don't have access to. Social hierarchies have always existed even in the little village I grew up in. The reason it wasn't a significant issue is that people were socialized to stick to their position in the pecking order. Our societies has sold us the dream of equality for all, while maintaining the importance of social status. It encourages people to reach for their dreams while also reinforcing the idea that you aren't important until you've reached a high stratosphere of achievement. If you don't have a strong sense of yourself, then you'll find yourself chasing the sense of selfworth through obsessive and delusional connections with famous people.
I love the sentiment of group chats and going back to the old internet ways! Most people don’t want to be influencers, we are now curating things for our inner circle.
It's because most celebrities are artists who view publicity as just a small part of their job. While influencers literally make their entire lives their job and are often not considered artists. Acting and singing is an art form, but plugging hair gummies and showing everyone how you get ready for your birthday party at Nobu is well... not lol
This isn't really related to the video (which I really enjoyed by the way) but I felt the need to say that your tone of voice and presence is very engaging. I'm usually the person who skips around videos or puts them on 2x speed because I'm impatient but I was really invested in this. It was educational, entertaining and had me forming opinions on things I hadn't thought of before. Thank you for your video Mina and I think I'll watch more of them. Also, in response to the video I do feel like a lot of the resentment influencers receive is out of jealousy. Influencers are in a weird spot where they need to be relateable enough to reach and attract people while being "unique" enough to stand out and actually influence. When they get invited to events they're seen as regular people who have no skill or necessity to be there. I think people tend to want that for themselves and hate on influencers whilst disregarding other skills like networking and being business aware go into these things. Celebrities are given more grace as usually they're less accessible. It's because of their talent and their passion or they've been in the industry for years etc. People don't relate to celebrities as much and so can view them as "special" unlike influencers who are deemed I guess "less special". Anyways, I think it's interesting to see how this topic will evolve as you have some celebrities like Beyonce, Cillian Murphy, that one guy from the vampire diaries whose name I forgot etc, who stay offline and are praised for it. But on the other hand many celebrities are developing cult followings through interacting with fans directly. The line between celebrity and influencer is becoming more blurred as parasocial relationships become more and more normalised. Sorry for the rambling, I just found this quite interesting even though, the fashion stuff is kind of new to me. Thanks again for such a great video!!
16:50 As someone who has lived their whole life in a gated community, there is some missconception about them and other nuances that get left out. At least in Chile, the country where I live, gated communities are not a thing of luxury but rather a thing about safety. Gated communities are often for middle class people to keep things like robberies and assaults away and don't have the luxuries mentioned in the video. There are of course those where rich people live, but those are the expections. In fact, the richest (like important politicians such as the president or celebrities) often don't live in gated communities, but in houses open to the streets (with a metal fence of course, but every single person has a gate outside of their house, even some in gated communities.)
Also, things like nannies or cleaning ladies aren't a luxury either. Every second family has one at least one or two times a week. Especially parents who have to work all day and need both help with the house and the children.
Gary Oldman had to relearn his original accent one time, too. It's not that unusual. a lot of talented actors are absorbent. Film sets are immersive, high pressure and crazy, man. U get in a zone. And if you're fluid enough to be a super good actor, your fluids can get congealed into certain shapes and stuff.
Oh Mina you never disappoint me. as an artist I appreciate your work so much I feel so seen with this piece. Marketing is so difficult for me. I wish I could just leave my entire life creating art and doing nothing else.
This is making me recognize like the privilege to privacy is also related to just the privilege of time and choice when you don’t have to worrying about survival with your money like and how capitalism effects our relationships like it was never the phones it’s the fact that our system doesn’t make time for children or just going with the flow like and they wonder why younger generations don’t wanna have kids and why we have the issues with our younger generations that we have now
I’m shocked that you said you would get scared in a city without your phone: “ …what if I get lost? What if I get kidnapped?” As a GenXer, that is a sad reality check or reflection of tendencies in female youth thought patterns. Maybe this is also an American phenomenon…I don’t know ( not American myself) but omg to hear you say this, is shocking.
I actually love seeing influencers get invited to big events like fashion shows cause we’ve watched them build their accounts up, so it feels like a celebration when they make it to that level
Idk, there are a lot of nonfamous non influencer, etc., people who are not large presences online. My uncle is a prominent medical researcher and practitioner in our area, which itself is a major hub for medical and tech development and he's the most offline person. I have my phone but if I leave it at home one day, I know that literally everyone else around me pretty much has one, I'll have one at work, and then I can always message via email etc., and the rest is out of my control and that's fine. I wasn't raised at a Waldorf school but in a mid-tech family where usage was moderated and I come from families of mostly poor, working-class immigrants. I don't think being private and being offline for nonfamous/nonelites is a sign of snobbery or necessarily class divide (plenty of people richer than me are addicted to their devices and online presence). It's just about prioritization. Did your family prioritize face-to-face or not? Did they instill boundaries and emphasize strong executive functioning skills and supports or not?
I feel like The Rows no phone policy was a missed opportunity to have a fashion sketch artist and bring back fashion illustration into the main stream in a profound way
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Garance Dore tried to bring back the David Downton style about a decade ago. Absolutely deserves a revival.
Just yesterday I was looking at old Bob Mackie sketches/illustrations! I feel like it's sort of becoming a lost art.
Agree
The Olsen twins is an interesting example of celeb privacy because they were really famous really young. I can completely understand overcorrecting to being really private after a childhood in the spotlight.
yeah i remember when there were “countdown” websites to their 18th birthdays. i wouldn’t even live in the states after experiencing some shit like that tbh
They were also famous at the height of tabloid culture. It’s very interesting how they operate now vs someone like Paris Hilton.
@@sp.2778 they also had their mental health splashed across the pages. i remember when mary kate went into rehab and it was like turned into a laughing matter and the media was acting as if it was a character flaw in her. they're a bit older than me but i remember my heart just breaking for them as i watched how their teenage years were treated by everyone. they were treated to some of the most vile things before they were even eighteen. it's no wonder they've kind of both clung to one another and have kind of hermited themselves away from the public. their whole lives were for consumption from the time they were babies. i'm glad honestly that they've been able to maintain their privacy so well. it's something i have a lot of respect for them.
I agree. It honestly makes me so happy to see that they're comfortable setting boundaries like that as adults after growing up in the public eye
Idk if I'd use the term over correcting. Good for them honestly
This is just a reminder that you can move and shift your boundaries whenever you need to. Even you, person who isnt famous. Don't let anyone dictate what you can be comfortable with
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Oh period. I love this
Yes. You said it perfectly 🙏
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I think some celebrities follow 0 people because so many stans track who their faves are following and freak out if they suddenly follow or unfollow someone. It might be a way of keeping their connections close to their chest
Yeah this is exactly why because a lot of stans just love to start drama
Right, especially kpop stans. Extremely popular groups like BTS can’t even follow a woman or post a photo with them without people acting like they committed a crime
Lol thats a good explanation, I was just thinking its to keep their social media managers from getting ddistraacted while working
Yeah that’s their ‘work’ account, many probs have private accounts
@@soul8118V did post a photo with IU and nobody made a fuss.
I love that gatekeeping and being cringe are the worst offenses one can commit
Hitler, gatekeeping life and cringe haircut
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Well considering the larger social implications and ramifications they can both have, and that were discussed in this video, I can absolutely understand the first at least
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@@avasava7720 probably the highest compliment, thanks 😊 glad I can still beat out our AI overlords!
I have been a working model for about 15 years in a runway model for about eight. I can tell you that many of the professional models were/are getting less work because more designers are giving them to influencers because they want that social media clout.
Not only do many influencers often not have a proper catwalk, but they are often very late, sometimes rude and don't have the basic good etiquette of understanding that your job is to model clothes and not necessarily to look pretty. .. which may mean that you may get a hairstyle or a makeup or clothes that you think may not be flattering to you.
But the most frustrating part about it is that behavior would never fly for a professional model. A producer or designer would tell you to leave and you'd never be booked again. But the designers would let these influencers act like this because they didn't want the influencers to publicly talk about someone reprimanding them on social media... But still talk badly about the influencers behavior when they weren't around.. but NEVER to the influencers face.
I personally watch this one influencer (who I will not name) rummage through the clothes for the show, and put on outfit. When the designer asked why she was wearing that outfit that was meant for somebody else. She told him she picked it because it was the color better suited her. .... It was a tussel because the outfits are picked out and fitted for each model in advance...
I watched another influencer, redo her makeup in a style she thought made her look more pretty instead of going with the established design the MUAs were given for the theme.
As a working model it is very difficult to see this, because there is a lot of training that goes into walking properly at the runway and it does get very frustrating to be turned down for work because you are blatantly told that you're 3,000 followers makes you less valuable than the person with no runway skills that has hundreds of thousands.
That's crazy. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective on this.
That must be so hard and frustrating to go through. Thank you for sharing your perspective!
I think the company or designer is to blame here yes influencers can act entitled but it's the designer who has the upper hand yes I get it they want publicity but they should ratio their models in like 1:4 influencer to models if that makes any sense but it's j my opinion I'm in no way involved in the fashion industry I'm j a fashion consumer 🧚♀️✨
@@littledaisy194yeah this is the real problem. I understand that it must be frustrating for professional models, but we shouldn't normalise a shitty system like that. Honestly it sounds like models should unionise. Designers shouldn't be able to end your career because you had one bad day.
I’m so tired of the influencers they are cringe and just get things handed to them because of their following lol
People are so used to everything being shown on the internet. Forgetting they are not entitled to see everything going on so once there is the privacy boundary people start to freak.
Agreed. I’m sitting here shaking my head at the idea of the internet being an equalizer, as if all gatekeeping is always bad. If an event isn’t public, then it’s not, and there’s nothing wrong with that. The host has every right to decide, no different than a guest list for a wedding or a birthday. The world doesn’t have to be treated equally when it comes to private events.
I think people who think that phones should always be allowed should stop and think about how not allowing phones or photos is a privacy issue, and that being rich doesn’t mean that every bit if privacy you ever had is gone. These people need to ask themselves why they think they’re entitled to go to the private events of strangers they have no connection to. Would Mina be okay with her private events being shared with the world because someone else decided they had the right to watch her private places?
It’s all right to have envy at not getting to go to an event. It’s not all right to demand that you have a right to access, and if you can’t go, the you’re going to see it all anyway. Talk about not respecting boundaries.
THIS!!!!!!
Frl!! And the thing with gatekeeping. Like people seriously need to get over themselves and find some originality. Like if people don't wanna share where they got their shit, just move on omg
True
And it simply boils down to this! No one is entitled
I think the celebrity vs influencer thing also has something to do with how people perceive celebrities as talented, hard-working individuals who earned their fame and status and so therefore earn their place in these fashion shows, etc. compared to influencers whom people perceive as getting famous quickly over some lucky viral moment and therefore are not deserving of everything that comes with that fame.
I agree, though I don’t believe all celebrities are necessarily talented or hard-working individuals, or at least nowadays. They just buy their way into everything because they can afford it.
Edit: I reread your comment and saw you said that people/the public perceive celebrities as such and that they aren’t always/actually talented and hard-working.
but it has to an extent peeled the illusion of “earned fame” back because influencing has led to a lot of people realizing how many celebrities are actually nepo babies and got their start in the industry by having a family member or friend that knew someone to get an opportunity. even if a celeb is technically talented, there’s some sort of nepotism at play always and now that’s common knowledge.
Or that influencers are really there as second-class hype machines which is exactly the case. People aren't into the fashion but they might be invited to attend these shows because they have it in their contract that they'll share about it online.
@@canyouseethroughmytears how could a celebrity buy their way to fame if they're not talented,I don't get it. can you elaborate
When it comes to influencers, usually it is due to an accidental viral moment, but also a lot of the derision is due to the belief influencers have that they are inherently more knowledgable, even if they aren’t, even when they’re spreading misinformation to a legion of fans who, to be the best fan, believes every word. Celebs usually don’t claim to be any degree of expert on things they don’t know much about.
Influencers also try to see the public a curated image that is supposed to be their “real” lives, while celebs don’t pretend that what we see them doing is their real public lives.
I’ve seen more medical information come from influencers who conveniently forget that they aren’t doctors, whose fans turn around and echo them without understanding jack (my daughter ended up a pariah for a while over this shit), than I’ve seen from doctors who aren’t trying to be entertainers. Influencers use their mistaken belief that their follower count legitimizes their views and their “this is the real me” presentation to get others to listen to them. We don’t believe celebs the same way. Kim Kardashian, who everyone sees as fake as most celebs are since we expect acting from them, genuinely is working on becoming a licensed lawyer, won’t be seen as as much of authority on law as Mina, who people expect to be showing her real self when she talks like she’s the authority on stuff, would be seen an authority on medicine.
Celebrity versus influencer makes the difference. We have no bar for the influencers we see as being authentic, but impossibly high bars for celebrities. When a lot of the fame influencers have is ultimately due to how they use their platforms to make themselves out to be authorities, yeah, people are going to see them as not deserving it.
I like how that lamp behind your head makes it look like you are wearing a cute little red fez hat! I'm having a sad day. That cheered me up (momentarily, at least).
The small red hat reminded me of the curse Jogo from jujutsu kaisen 😂
Me toooo
This made me smile. So cute haha.
@@bandanarathore😂😂❤
Aw that's so cute, i love moments like that
Attending a Waldorf school from kindergarten through senior year of high school was truly wild. Because of the almost total ban on screens, I feel like I missed out on a lot of the pre 2012 internet. When I was finally allowed online, I spent almost all of my time glued to my computer. A little screen time is good, but a total ban can lead to becoming easily addicted when restrictions get lifted
Same about getting very little pocket money: once you get your first paycheck, you blow it all
Good to know. I looked into a Waldorf school, because I wanted my kid to go to a school that bans screens. But they want parents to severely limit them at home as well! That's too much. I was able to improve my life quality dramatically through a successful career because of what I did and learned on a computer on my own as a child. No way I'm banning screens at home.
@chryselene It is true that it's not good to raise children so strict or be so strict on people because it can cause rebellion. I think being so strict on kids and people in itself is harmful too.
My waldorf schools "highly encouraged" limited to no screen time and I am very grateful for it. I still watched tv with my family, had a smart phone by freshman year of high school, and watched youtube on our home computer. My dad introduced me to video games, too.
I will say that it wasn't a total ban (although how does that work unless your parents are in support of it too?), so I'm grateful for that aspect too. but what the restriction of screens granted me was an awareness and control over technology and the role of social media/advertisement in my life. I can recognize when something I see online is motivated by profit, and how I can stop tuning in when it has no worth to me.
❤🎉EXACTLY @chryselene being raised in the 80s and 90s with *no cable* (It's the modern day equivalent for those younger than me.) *In hindsight* -- It was a RARE luxury. Now I consume content with DISCERNMENT bc I actually had time to establish an identity that knows HOW to think not WHAT to think.
Your last point on Emma Chamberlain reminds me of what happened with Ashley from bestdressed. She stopped posting on YT for her own reasons and many of her fans were upset she never explained why.
i believe they are friends 😬
I recently thought about Ashley after seeing a ig post of hers and I felt like seeing an old friend that stopped texting back. I know it’s not the same thing and I’m the one to blame for creating a fictional connection with someone I don’t personally know. But at the same time, after watching her for a long time, I can’t help but wish for an explanation…like, even just to know she’s fine
@@daria_cozano, the blame is shared. Content creators work very hard to cultivate a loyal following both for own creative fulfillment as well as to improve their personal brand's commercial value. So, if you show up with your attentive eyeballs video after video, it is kind of rude/thoughtless for those creators to just ghost their viewers. By the same token, content creators are after all as human as the rest of us so sometimes the problems that drive them off a platform are to deep for public consumption, eg family illness, addiction recovery, etc.😢
Well, Ashley was stalked and that being her last video makes clear sense that she stopped really sharing in the way she did.
@@EyeGlassTrainofMind I remember that, that’s why I wish I could know she’s well. At least she didn’t disappear from the whole internet and that’s reassuring 🫶🏻
As someone who’s given up on all forms of social media since January 2023 (except for UA-cam and Letterboxd) I’ve been able to value the privilege of my privacy without being glued to what other people are doing. It’s been a savior toward my own mental health.
Great and well-researched video once again. I always look forward to your work
Letterboxd social media!?!?
Omg same here! What's your lbxd name?
how did you do that? i try but i always fail
@@kippie2414 For me, as someone who's done that, you just don't quit cold turkey. It's a long process. First, I realized that social media has always given rise to negative emotions in me, particularly reading through comments in FB and Twitter and seeing how awful people can be. It made my declining mental health worse. Starting 2018, I started to resist opening comments on those platforms and just focused on posts. Stayed in FB to keep in touch with the news, then just moved to Twitter completely. Then even there I started spending less time around 2020, and just watched UA-cam videos, where I can choose and curate what I want to watch and where the comment section was much better. I also picked up reading again. UA-cam videos, watching films/shows, story-driven offline video games, and reading---those are time consuming activities, and bc of that I don't have time for social media anymore. In fact, I never deleted any app, they're still on my phone, and I open them every few months when I see an interesting notification. However, I would feel the negative emotions again when I start to go down some rabbit hole, so I would know when to stop. Nowadays, my only actual proof of life for friends is IG stories, where I sometimes post but never check my feed. That also relates to my personal life; I stopped caring about what people are up to unless they are very important to me. I also never downloaded TikTok when it became popular, and it's easy to resist sth you never knew.
However, there is one negative effect, and that is not knowing what's going on, esp world news lol I'm always late. But there are other avenues for that, and now I can actually take time to think for myself and form my own opinions w/o getting bombarded by other people's thoughts and feelings.
TL;DR take your time, pick up hobbies/focus on sth else, get rid of fomo
I’m not sure if it’s because I’m an elder millennial but i just use UA-cam and FB, but in FB my profile it’s private and the people i have as friends in that social media are real people i know in person.
singer/songwriter here 👋🏻 promoting yourself SUCKS. especially for artists. the last thing we wanna do is ‘promote’ or ‘sell’ anything. we wanna create. but, sadly in order for it to be sustainable- and have people take us seriously- we need to have some sort of platform/audience online. love the video mina as per usual !
I definitely get this, and I often wonder which is better: artists having to do everything themselves but maintaining control over their art, or artists having the luxury of a team / label to manage the marketing but lose control over what they can or cannot create?
@@nicolezhiling SO true
When Mina was talking about tech discrepancy in schools, I think that is unfortunately SO TRUE. I worked in an urban school as a teacher and had to put the kids on city/state computer programs daily to “provide instruction” and was encouraged to use the smart-board and computers every opportunity I could. The kids then went home and went on their personal devices, especially kids who were not in afterschool activities and whose families were working. I seriously got concerned by how much screen addiction there is
I’ll never understand why people think a more computery classroom is a better classroom.
I think the push towards tech in schools made sense in the 90s to early 2000s, maybe even until the early 2010’s, as tech was often inaccessible to poorer kids. It’s crazy to see how fast it’s become the opposite.
My neighbor took their child out of the public school in my town (lower SES school) and put them in a private, Waldorf school because the public schools “depended on screens too much”. Illuminates this point so much about privilege and technology in schools. Who would have thought we’d be here.
Imagine thinking Austin Butler is pretentious for liking a popular, critically claimed cowboy western movie as a child. It's like people forget that the guy grew up in the film industry and regularly watched a plethora of movies with his family. Mind you, when they say "as a child," maybe he was talking about his favourite movie as a 12 year old, and a lot of 12 year olds would not say Toy Story. Like you mentioned in this video, I think it has to do a lot with resentment and envy. People think, "How dare this man think he's superior to me because he engages with art that I find challenging/different instead of consuming easily accessible art?!" when in reality, Austin is not assuming anything and is probably just saying his favourite movie. Nothing wrong with more easily accessible art, but if someone doesn't prefer it, they'll immediately get labelled as "pretentious" and "elitist". My nephew is 15 years old and his favourite movie is a Tarkovsky movie - is he "pretentious" or just an avid cinephile that likes to explore diverse genres? The rise in anti-intellectualism, assumptions, envy, etc, is saddening.
Agreed! If he was like “Fitzcarraldo”, I would get the eye rolling but one of the most famous westerns of all time that has both artistic merit but also cowboys and soldiers and everything else little boys like? Culture is becoming such a universal sludge that everything outside of the most mainstream is now pretentious and if you aren’t buying merch for popular female pop star between buying tickets for popular animation studio turned media monopoly while buying popular fanfic turned book then you are a poser and a liar because how could you want to consume anything else? Nobody else wants to be challenged by media, so why should you? It’s a nightmare.
Also people forget that it’s not unheard of for people to have different childhood experiences. I think he said his dad would watch TCM with him all the time. I can relate having grown up with our family having limited cash so relying on PBS, the local library,a few treasured kids films, and my grandparents classic film collection on VHS, so favorites as a very kid were a mixed between classic Disney and dreamworks, and stuff like 1930’s Robin Hood, the Scarlet Pimpernel, or off brand kids movies like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Plus watching a lot of satellite tv with grandparents later led to naturally a lot of classic television and TCM.
Kids will get obsessed with the weirdest stuff, I bet it’s pretty common in both film families or in multigenerational households for them to fixate on media that might not be “typical” but has wide appeal
THANK YOU I WAS WAITING FOR THIS COMMENT
also as I do a bit of voice work and have my go to voices, u can just slip into the voices sometimes bc u trained to easily start talking like that, I can imagine talking like that 24/7 for months would stick around for a bit
That depends; is his favorite Stalker or Andrei Rublev?
Jokes aside, I think that your observation highlights the sad hypocrisy of the situation. There is apparently demand for access and authentic interaction, but then tremendous backlash when the reality doesn't match up with the preconceived image. One is damned if one does and damned if one does not.
And, for the record, it's a toss up between Mirror and The Sacrifice for me.
i don't know anything about austin butler, but, as someone who mimics accents / speech patterns without even realizing i'm doing it, i kid of want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, he trained his muscels to speak one way for a long time. It doesn't just get undone when the director yells cut.
@@Fruttipistachio he’s not the only actor to have to intensely study/learn an accents… there are serious method actors who don’t have the same issue. he’s delusional 😂
@@prima-madalina He literally doesn't speak like that anymore.
He’s also not the first. Gary Oldman also had to get a dialect coach to relearn his own accent.
Yes I have a bad habit of mimicking accents very quickly. Sometimes I have to make a conscious effort to not sound like I'm making fun of someone I was talking to for like 5 minutes 😂
So many thoughts… as a mid 20’s artist living in New York who grew up during the rise of social media and has experienced the exponential rise of self marketing via that platform- thoughts of privacy and needing to use my phone constantly come up a lot for me. Lately I’ve been realizing that using social media has not only become an intense time waster and dopamine vampire, but also has dulled my inner voice to the point I ask myself “am I making this because I like this or do I like it because I saw it on instagram?”. I think artists- and everyone- have suffered a huge impact in our ability to create from an authentic place because I don’t think the human mind actually can process how many lives and ideas and products and art that we’re exposed to all day and night. It is very important to be able to recognize when you need outside influence, and when you don’t. And those times In life change and constantly have their own effects- but as a society we have lost that right to choose when. Yeahhhhh it’s really sad too cause I WANT TO THROW MY PHONE IN THE RIVER BUT I NEED IT TO MARKET MYSELF AND COMMUNICATE IN ORDER TO PAY MY RENT. Ahhhh
Hey, me too! I'm 20 and currently I'm studying graphic design at central saint martins if you know the uni. If there wasn't a need to market my work and keep up with my peers' work, I would literally delete the app. But unfortunately it's going to be my livelihood so i HAVE to 'keep up' quite literally.
This! 😢
@@vickyswift3741hi from lcc! i relate to you both, im not looking forward to it but eventually im going to have to start
Preach
Girl I feel this so hard. I would love to be able to give up social media but I can't because I am in a creative career and need it for networking and self-marketing 🙃
I really liked that quote about artists "needing" to skillfully package themselves as products for buyers to consume now. I've become quite disillusioned with so many parts of social media feeling like Ads- constantly trying to make me do or want or be something different... to create a feeling of lack that was never there in the first place.
I quit instagram and snapchat in 2019 after a couple of years of seeing unwanted ads. There used to be a time where there were no ads on insta or snap and it was soooooo fun. But then they got bought out and slowly the ads popped up on insta and one day you went on snapchat and they had changed the layout to include (and force you to watch) ads. Man social media was fun before that
Omg what you said made me realize a lot of things
the luxurious feeling of a new mina le upload 💅🏻
i feel like because we are so used to instant gratification that mystery or change really needles us
what a delicious way to be needled though love the way you put that!!
Omg the way you worded this!! Yes!!
People love consuming content but they love mocking the people who make the content even more… I don’t understand why people hate on influencers
all public figures are going to be hated on to various extents. that's kind of the reality of putting yourself out there, people can and will judge you for anything and everything, valid or not.
@@nectarinn3wazz🤩🖥️🕰️📞📽️😊🗜️🗜️ 20:24
It's because they desperately want to feel like they are better than someone else. It's the mentality of "I may be doing this but at least I'm not...."
I don’t think it’s right to make blanket statements about “influencers” like some people do in a derogatory way but there are legitimate critiques to be made about certain influencers (i.e. Shane Dawson, Ruby Franke come to mind) and “influencer culture” which encourages things like overconsumption, toxic beauty standards, and child exploitation
I mean a lot of them just randomly touch kids? I think that’s part of it
western celebs may not bring in the numbers but in the kpop scene, a lot of kpop idols who are endorsed by high end fashion brands trend on twt when they attend events !!
why is it like this tho
kpop idols attending fashion shows and attracting the most publicity is exactly what i kept thinking about. they always look so stunning too
fans make it their mission to like every post and trend tags. It is the newest form of competition between fandoms. Everyone wants their fave to be the most talked about.
@@sarah-re8trkoreaboos or the less extreme: they like to ride all up on people they have zero chance of meeting even in a place like hollywood
probs because they bring in a lot of money from their devoted fans (no hate to the idols ofc), i'm in a group chat and there's this one person who will encourage us (pretty intensely) to buy products, trend tags and like posts ALL THE TIME.
and whenever i see my faves walking in the runway (go felix!) or modelling i like the post, buy the magazine, whatever, because if it's them i'm probably going to invest.
the brands know what they are doing.
I am not famous or a model or in the fashion industry or even a content creator, but when I went on my social media hiatus and quit everything entirely, every time I admitted to being 'offline' to someone they would act shocked or 'wowed' by my decision. It's kinda wild that getting off social media is treated like this huge act as though I ran a marathon or started a charity. It really shows how everyone is so glued to their devices.
Fans being upset about their celeb’s privacy is sooo real and true; I’m an Emma Watson fan and I know many in my fandom are really upset or don’t respect her choose privacy. They act as if it’s there right for her to post about her personal life
just noting that screens are infinite entertainment for a fixed price, so much less expensive than paying for camps or sports or classes for your kids where they can be entertained in a truly social face go face way. i do feel bad for parents who don’t have the time or means to keep their kids engaged in more meaningful ways
Do your local libraries not hold free events for kids? Ours have a constant rotation of activities which are totally free to attend
@@WinterWind I was going to comment this too. Libraries are a great free resource. Many libraries also have online resources like ebooks, audiobooks, and subscriptions to newspapers and magazines all for free.
@@WinterWindLibraries are being closed all over the USA from lack of funding and rightwing politicians are actively planning to get rid of them altogether. You are very luck to have one that is still functioning as it is meant to.
@@psychedelicpegasus7587while its a good idea it isn’t the same.. you can only go so far without having the means sadly
The ignorance to say “just use a well stocked, well funded library” Y’all. 💀 Just don’t live in a food desert. Just attend the best school in the country. What’s the problem I don’t get it???/
I’m glad you touched on the Rachel Zelegar/Snow White comments. It’s been bothering me that she received such a massive backlash for expressing her opinions on the source material, yet people praised Dakota Johnson for her not so subtle dislike of Madam Web, as well as Robert Patterson for his distain towards Twilight. I feel like people just latch onto whatever narrative is being pushed through ‘news’ outlets. They most likely just choose the reporting angle that will receive the most clicks and roll with it.
Well ppl hate on her because Rachel's commentary looks feminist to them and they don't like that..
It's honestly so bothersome the way people don't even know what feminism is and then proceed to give 'hot takes' with the idea that people will follow along. Like no sis, you did not eat. 😒
Also I’m pretty sure the original Snow White isn’t that many people’s favorite animated Disney movie (especially someone from her age range). Snow White herself isn’t a super relatable character. So I don’t know why people think it’s weird that the actress isn’t falling all over herself at being that particular Disney princess.
Because some of very things she was criticizing about the animated movie was untrue. The prince did not stalk her, for one. And while snow white was awakened by the prince, it is not that accurate that she was saved by him, or ONLY by him, considering all the other substantial aid she got from the huntsman, dwarves, and forest animals who all did so due to snow white kindness/innocence so in a lot of ways snow white saved herself and get poetic justice. That being said, a lot of the problem is on Disney for they failed to work with her on what she should and should not say.
Also snow white's story does not focused on romance.
I think it's hilarious that the row banned cellphones and its a stroke of marketing genius. Their brand is classic, subdued, and exclusive. That is the best marketing strategy for their quiet luxury brand. Also they get enough buzz on social media given the fact that literally every celebrity wears them in their Vogue 7 days 7 outfits videos. The Olsen twins know what they are doing and considering they came from child stardom... I'm here for it. This won't kill the access influencers and social media have to other brands.
They pay for that buzz.
I watch another UA-camr who says we aren't there to experience first. We know it all secondhand. We read reviews before we get it, we hear about it before we try, we read a person's profile before we meet them. The curation of the image or profile is what matters today. You see it too but from the two angles influencer and quiet celebrity.
I think that’s so true! Ive been trying to stay away from peoples opinions more because i genuinely think over time it errodes our sense of self. Being exposed to so many people’s opinions before we’ve had a chance to form our own cannot be healthy imo
I don’t know much about fashion shows but personally I don’t see why banning phones or taking photos/videos should be a problem. It’s just like how taking pictures/videos is forbidden at theater and ballet performances or classic orchestra concerts.
Because the fashion industry depended a lot on tech and social media ever since the internet became accessible. I understand the woes of fashion influencers since their coverage of the shows are their bread and butter but I also do respect the insistence of The Row for preserving their brand image. The Row surely expected this backlash but it's the kind of backlash they're actually expecting to put their brand in the latest gossip chain. It's a clever move and also serves as a reminder for fashion influencers that the brand is still the boss, not them.
Ultimately it's because of the turnover expected of the content. The press don't review a show when it is open, they have press nights. Films have press screenings and days of interviews. Journalists have time to create content. Fashion shows are so quick and not repeatable and the content so often needs to be produced immediately. Using phones to make notes or take photos for reference is obviously going to be helpful to someone looking back at a huge number of clothing items they have to write or make videos about.
Yes
I feel like despite fashion show visually aiming to look somewhat like a performance of an art form, in essence what it actually is is a trade show, so the dynamics of the promotion and information exchange is completely different here, than what would've been in a theatre spectacle or an orchestra concert.
Ppl are entitled now. And crazy. I've literally been ostracized bc I refused social media for nearly 2 decades. Even during my divorce when your attorney says to close your accounts to win. Still ostracized. Social media is for ppl to make no effort to be real friends imo.
As you kept talking I realized this is a very “living in a global superpower”/first-second world conversation, especially re: “it’s a privilege to not be an iPad baby and connect with your family”. Poor kids in third world countries are not experiencing this iPad baby pandemic, they do connect with their families even though their families often work insane hours bc of the high need for labor in countries that are only partially industrialized; I’m saying this as a third culture kid originally from one of these countries. I think there is something about American culture that contributes to this as well.
I also think living in a first world country especially in the western world there is the notion of rugged individualism and capitalistic living therefore prioritising yourself and money for example people leave home at an earlier age like here in the uk for example you leave home at 18 to study for university then ultimately fall into the working world and there is this separation from family whereas in "developing countries" community and family are much more of a priority and people live at home for much longer etc etc also in the western world the rate of childbirth the size of families and those choosing to start a family are all decreaisng so it is definitely a debate of culture and geography as well
That was true prior to the pandemic now it isn't in our third world country either. Now everyone has a phone here as well
Tbh this can be said about any of Mina’s/other social commentary UA-camrs’ videos. I eat them up tho in my 3rd world country, quite entertaining to learn about the first world struggles
I mean… Austin Butler liking ‘The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly’ isn’t a big deal. These interviewers are often asking cinephiles these questions… and a lot of cinephiles consume film in a very different way and from a young age. Hence why they are ‘cinephiles’. Plus that move Butler mentions isn’t exactly pretentious, it’s just old. Maybe if he mentioned some obscure Japanese art house film I’d be like “yeah okay there bud.” But that was a blockbuster at the time and is on Turner Classics all the time. It’s so silly 😂
Even if he liked something super arthouse... that doesn't make him a liar who is trying for the camera, because some people prefer that. We've reached peak anti-intellectualism and the audience members have reached peak notions of self-entitlement in regards to those they deem to be public figures. You reach the point where you feel like telling the audience "and who the fuck are you and what have YOU done with your life to warrant behaving like that to another person?"
Im just on last section now: it’s worth noting here in a Ireland there is a big thing about “not having notions” aka thinking highly of yourself & I think that’s why Cillian is the way he is as that has a choke hold on Irish society
This makes so much sense to the point that some people would not dare to try new things in fear of having notions hahah
@sams3015 right? Everyone not from Ireland is quick to deem him some moody pretentious artist when he's just Irish and knows that no matter how famous he gets outside Ireland, if his childhood school in Cork insists on plastering his picture on the front of the school with, "Good luck Cillian!" on it...all his friends are going to take the piss 3 seconds later. The group chat must have been brutal for days after. For anyone who doesn't know what we are like Google "trying to be fashionable in Ireland" tweets. We all love Barry Keoghan. I love his fashion risks...have I made fun of his fashion risks? Yes, because he looks like he's never been told.
umm no one hates Cillian what’re you on about???
The thing that has stopped me from having an online shop to sell my art is everything besides making the art. I'm good at what I do. I am not good at social media. I am not good at advertising myself. I am not good at finances. I am not good at dealing with people. Heck I'm not even good at taking pictures. There a way too many skills I'd have to learn because I cannot afford help, and honestly, I don't think I'm capable of learning all those skills.
Not only that but the morw clicks you get, often the more likely your artwork is to be stolen which is so sad.
Relatable! Keep making your art!
fr. like i just wanna create my art. not figure out how to advertise myself or something like that
You don;t need to be good,You just need to do. Don't overthink it girl. Just try. You don't need the perfect skills you need to be able to just try.
@@EyeGlassTrainofMindyeah this is so sad omg
as an illustrator / designer / designer who doesnt use tiktok and HATES voiceover work the solitary artist bit really hit home. wish my work could 100% speak for itself and i didnt have to be a charismatic personality. that being said, longtime lover of your content and i appreciate your hard work!!
There are ways to showcase your work without being a personality! Lots of the artists I follow create process-focused content :) I do see lots of people doing voiceovers of interesting stories but visual stories and compilations are effective as well :)
i quit all major social media platforms a year or two ago after a major paychiatric crisis that required hospitalization. in my experience, it has been both liberating to have this sense of privacy and not have to care about what others think, and also very isolating because almost everyone communicates this way now. im a university student at a small college and now i miss all of the updates on student orgs and events because they're all disseminated through social media, even for things like our student food pantry. i think it goes back to what you were saying about these celebrities having teams of people they can use as points of contact with the outside world without having to be on social media 24/7, which is itself a social reproduction of the gated community mentality. like, if you're like me and you don't have social media but you need to know when the food pantry is open and it's on social media, then im coerced into giving up my privacy to access a resource i need. justin bieber doesnt have that problem because he's insulated by his wealth (obv). but i think the worst thing is how most people look at you like you're crazy when you say you're not on social media, because they feel entitled to see your entire life on a screen now that all my generation has grown up with is facebook and instagram pages.
23:00 to be fair, not every actor wants the limelight. loving what you do for a living - acting and playing/slipping into different roles and their minds and lives - does not mean for everyone that they want to also be a public figure in their personal life. It's their JOB, some want the professional and private not be mixed and I am rooting for it! :)
When people complain about celebrities (and influencers, to an extent) "trying too hard" in media and advertising their aforementioned media, I think a key thing some forget is that these people are WORKING. That is their JOB. People approach their work in multiple different ways, and no one has the same working style, but if I had a financially-stable job that fulfilled me every day and made me excited to live, I'd be trying hard too, because I would be genuinely HAPPY and therefore would have more of an incentive to put my best--and most positive--foot forward.
30:43 This is so true!! “He’s good and he tries hard”
There is also an air of “passive success,” or talent that ignores the hard work or skill that goes into it.
Kyle McClaughlin is super active on instagram, always posting birthday posts for his old costars and sharing fan art that he gets tagged in. It's not a exactly a window into his private life but he definitely stays humble by keeping up with the fans and you can tell he appreciates his cult following and just eats it up. I think that's part of why he was invited to walk in the runway show, not because he's so private that it's intriguing for him to be included but because of his internet cult status as the GOAT humble actor who picks tasteful roles. It was bound to create the right kind of buzz and it did! He killed it
I remember randomly seeing a video from him saying "things I ate and survived" and then a picture of him in a (honestly hard to describe) look from Dune (1984). Caught me off guard I was laughing so hard, whoever is running his account is funny af
On the topic of famous people getting access without deserving it. I work in animation in a high role, and it's a tough pill to swallow that I can work on a movie for years. Produce hundreds of integral artworks for the film, and make only a tiny fraction of what a voice actor on the film makes for a few days of work. I still have to hustle and worry if I'll be able to afford a safe and healthy life for my kid. And when the film is announced, most anyone talks about is the main voice actor. All the power is the advertising.
wow this is so real
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I don't know enough about this topic to put my thoughts together in an eloquent way, but I think we're seeing something similar happening with the internet like we saw/are seeing with fast fashion and fast food. It's all about instant gratification, and celebrities can't always provide something 'instantly' because they're working on durational products. TikTokers/influencers on the other hand have the "luxury" of being able to make things as and when they want (for the most part). And I think as with all things we're now on the downward curve where we've had too much 'fast internet' and are creeping back towards 'traditional internet'. I truly have no idea if that made any sense lmao
Makes sense to me. Great point!
It makes sense and many other people are expressing the exact same things!
It does make sense. I have deleted TikTok because I find most short content way to shallow, I'd rather watch one long youtube video where the creator has the time to go into as much details as needed to bring the point across.
i'm just tired of everyone acting like every negative thing that comes with progress is the end of the world. like do we need an essay about how toxic and strange and bad everything is? this all comes in phases
I think one of the reasons why some celebs don't follow anyone is if there is a falling out on any of their friends it's not as public or if anyone they follow did a crime or is being called out by the whole internet, they probably wouldn't want to be associated with them.
Yeah exactly this
I had to take back my privacy for my mental health. I (in my late teens/early 20s) used to over share every little detail. Now I (in my early 30s) haven't posted on ig in almost a year, I never post anything personal on other sns (going on like 5 years), and the only reason I keep my phone on me is to respond to msgs and obvious safety concerns. My screen time is spent watching UA-cam and streaming (because much to the chagrin of a few of my friends, I haven't opened tiktok in months).
Eventually the feeling of fomo leaves and you're much more peaceful with missing the trends or the memes. So if you're a regular person, not even an influencer or a celebrity, and you've been thinking about detoxing those things from your life, just do it.
Living in the present is necessary for processing life and actually living
Same. The closer I get to 30 the less and less I share online.
23:39 I remember this time I worked with a media professor and artist, and he was telling us about a time when he decided to "opt out" of phones and social media and his wife eventually forced him to "opt in" again because she had to become his unofficial secretary and middleman for all communication matters.
The 'unsafe without phone' comment, yes! !!
Anytime I see a male content creator encouraging audiences to 'leave your phone at home' and go wandering (many times into the woods, at night, throughout the city, into unknown spaces) I think wow what a privileged stance. Also I hope young women listening don't follow that misplaced advice.
To me the "actors known for their villan roles walking the runaway in suits like those iconic villains" worked because they did that well. When many times influencers are trying to walk like models and they are bad at it. If the elder gentleman would have tried to walk like hunky young male models it would have looked silly too.
Wow you hit the nail on the head when you talked about chat spaces back in the day and only being accessible to messages when you decided to log on or when you have the head space to deal with it. These days….There are some who expect you to respond almost immediately to texts and emails. It’s like you don’t have the opportunity to log off anymore.
I don't have notifications turned on for anything because it gives me anxiety to feel pressed to instantly reply to people. Some people are bothered by it but I refuse to compromise on this. 😅
I keep leaving ppl on read for so long.. and they do it too 😂 People are tired
Honestly, as a teenager, i really am on my phone too much. I find the section where you talk about screentime and class really informational. This is a great video ❤
My art process and research time is my hair a mess, half wearing pijamas , unclean face, not blinking because I just need to finish this idea before I lose the motivation. Really aesthetic I know.
I'm an historian and it's pretty similar for me. I just bought more pajamas recently because I finally admitted to myself that I write better when I'm in comfy clothing. No one cares what I look like when I'm writing, we all just want my dissertation to be done, lol
I think there is something to be said about how when celebrities are more offline we do not get to know whether or not we like them on a personal level so people develop a neutral respect towards them. However, people can find influencers who constantly podcast annoying or unfunny, because they have seen a side of them they have not seen with celebrities.
new intro? It's so cute!! My go-to girl for fashion/culture discourse xx
Dang. People absolutely can choose to stop over sharing. Imagine thinking people you don't know should tell you everything. I am trying to build a career of art but also keep a very THICK boundary for privacy.
And that is completely valid!! The Internet has warped the concept of people having boundaries and it's really nuts
Although I'm not doing art anymore cuz of burnout, I still am passionate about it and I want to build a career on it. I love dancing, acting, singing, and I really want to work with that, but hell am I scared of "having to overshare myself" just so I can get hired for roles. Reading your comment gives me hope
I write and I noticed that more and more publishers expect their writers to be on social media. They don't say it but you can see that not being on social media is a problem for some of them, cause it is a tool for promotion. At the end of the day I created a professional instagram count so I can share only thing related to writing and nothing else. I don't want to waste time sharing personal stuff with people on the internet, life's too short for that. And I don't want people to think they can ask me everything and I should respond.
But anyway, I'm not famous, I'm note even published lol.
Since history always repeats itself, this really just seems like a new version of old money vs. new money all over again. It's really fascinating to watch
My observation from people who have gone low to no posting after making their careers from YT is there's very much a sense of "oh, so you think you're too good for us now???". Absolutely some do fall under that category - Drew Gooden's video on Lily Singhs really captures this, but also, no one is required to keep their job forever. The amount of people who start YT as literal teenagers who eventually start doing other things, it's such a weird take that they have to continue (forever I guess?) vlogging their life.
the thing about not following anyone also is because of the pressure of following everyone, emma chamberlain also said that, about everyone tracking who you follow and who you stop following, which is crazyyyyy that people really check that
Kinda feels like the same argument as old money vs. new money where the aristocracy and royalty were/are threatened by the newly minted upper class and I can totally see how some in the fashion space would see these 'influencers' as some how cheaper for how they came up and gained access to the same spaces as them. Some prestige banks on what they have access to vs. what the 'peasants' have access to.
Being an artist myself and having to constantly make reels about my process etc; that part really hit home. I enjoy making reels from time to time but having to upload consistently is so exhausting and the fear of drowning in the masses and not being able to pay my bills haunts me almost every day. I’m effectively creating less art to create more content.
Love your content always, you have such smart and deep insights into things ❤
hmm
I think The Row banning cell phones is really simple. Ashley’s baby was probably there and she simply didn’t want any pictures taken of her child. And maybe didn’t want people commenting on her post baby body. Their are curated images of the collection available for review. Let’s all remember, fashion shows existed before cell phones. Those fashion critic pioneers had to use their memory and take detailed notes. Why can’t todays critics?
In love with this girl, how do u stay consistent with reading articles like that have actually intellectual value
Amazing video. I think we are slowly but gradually getting over social media.
Personally, deleting my socials and deactivating all notifications except from phone calls was the best decision I've made!
Yes! The honeymoon phase is def over :)
I also think the ability to decide when you are online and offline on instant messaging is beautiful, can't we just bring that back?
I am just thinking about Billie Eilish looking with disdain on the influencers at that recent award show. I think that is how people perceive influencers, as second class entertainers. There is famous, and there is internet famous.
I wish you talked more about where kpop stars land in this discussion. None of them are a household name in the West and many aren't household names in Korea, Japan. But competing in the fashion market has become the newest competition between fandoms. People used to mock Blackpink members for being models more than they are singers. But then BTS members got their brands. Now everyone wants their idol to be a model attached to the hottest, most luxurious brand. There was even a girl group from Hybe that was in PFW show before they debuted. That sparked a lot of conversation.
Also talking about privacy in the kpop space is very interesting. Idols have live streams from their bedrooms, have messaging apps where fans pay to hear what they have for breakfast. I feel like they have now become a middle between a musician and an influencer. They are both and privacy truly is a luxury for them.
I must say on one hand i do like when my favorite celeb communicate with us sharing their daily thoughts, hobbies so we can relate to them but also when it gets too much it just loses that aura and charisma
Its like when everyone was so mad that influencers were at the Met Gala but the Kardashians and other celebrities are always so talked about when they go. Though they dont really relate to high fashion.
Having to constantly market yourself is so exhausting. I recently released my debut novel, and trying to keep up so I make sales and can eventually do this full time leaves me not enough time to write and work full time. I’m gonna have to scale back to a couple times a week max, scheduled in advance so I take like a couple hours a week on social media posting only. But it’s so hard cause you really do have to stay on top of it if you want to succeed.
If I ever saw a commercial for Rolls Royce - it would immediately tarnish their image to me. It would no longer hold it's elite status. I feel like this could translate to Row fashion show. Olsen twins would completely ruin their branding of privacy and exclusiveness. They're intentional with their every step. Argue all you want - what they did clearly has made waves and fell back into the influencers, which is spreading their brand all over. They didn't sell their values by caving into directly using social media....sooooo. Genius.
Can't we just have some things that don't need to be touched by socials?
I think what you said about gated communities and public spaces was so interesting! It's as if physical spaces, beauty and nature are finite resources that could disappear if too many ppl take part in it, and/or becomes "dirty" if The Poors and The Commoners come too close to it.
I live in Sweden where we have "freedom to roam"/"everyman's right" (allemansrätten) and legal "protection of beaches" which basically means that, with some exceptions, everyone has the right to spend time in nature. While Sweden still has, like, gentrification, rich ppl and gated communities and the problems those things bring, I think that those legal rights have meant a lot for how accessible privacy & nature is to ppl in general.
While rich ppl ofc still want to have their own spaces, I think most of them also see the benefit in publicly available natural areas, bc they enjoy them too. Nature & the experience of it, when maintained, isn't a finite resource, and it can be "used" by everyone as long as it's maintained and cared for. The system here and the fact that it has worked forever shows that.
I miss the old times when every conversation online had a beginning and an end and for me, that wasn't that long ago, like 10 years. Now, most of the time there is no "hello" or "gotta go", you open the chat, ask whatever you need to ask, and when the conversation is over you just stop writing or responding.
Another thing about celebrities not following anyone is because a follow on social media has been conflated to also represent an endorsement. A lot of “normal people” will of course follow the people who are - for example - the people who unfortunately lead their country, just to hear everything straight from the source, regardless of whether or not one agrees with them. Politics aside, a great example of this is Taylor Swift. After facing relentless, baseless, and extremely sexist media scrutiny in 2016, she went radio silent on her social media until she came back with the blockbuster reputation. Since then she has not followed a single person on social media, because otherwise there would be headlines speculating: “Taylor Swift unfollows XYZ on Instagram! Is there bad blood?” Or vice versa: “Taylor Swift follows XYZ on Instagram! She’s not innocent!”. I think this sort of ties in to what Emma Chamberlain was about not being able to control your own narrative. Ironic, considering most people use social media to reach exactly that goal of control and persona…
sometimes I overhear people talking about follows on Instagram like "no way she u followed her!!!" and it starts this whole thing where I'm like....all this over a social media follow??
It's crazy how privacy is sought after now but we're also in a loneliness epidemic. I think people are realizing that smaller closer groups without the pressure of performance are the ideal but after years of constant online presence, people don't know how to do it anymore.
when you mentioned the struggle of artists that have to be online to be able to sell/be known, it hit hard, I myself do a lot of stuff including crochet and jewerly and stuff and i love doing them but its so hard when its the time to make tedious reels and follow the trend of the week just so people can see your art.
Can you not invest in pop up event and market stands. Or even online markeplaces like Amazon?
Quiet fashion and privacy feels not only "classier" but also morally superior? Like the act of showing off is socially look down upon but if the means by which the money was obtained is not morally superior then nothing changes just because it's hidden. People got angry during pandemic times with celebrities showing off their mansions when the rest of us locked down in our little houses. But if they didn't film it that wouldn't make the world less unequal.
+1
yup. in the next 16 years when we all start spending again, the celebs won't be afraid too show their spending too and we won't care.
@@katgreer6113 idk maybe
I feel like this is real reason for the push of exclusivity. It’s not for privacy cuz celebrities don’t make money if they are not visible and heard. They do want exclusivity tho to have clear separation between them and the average joe so critical engagement of thier “earnings “ can be waned. Essentially they are going back to exclusivity to hide the societal and moral disparities that exist
Just a note about the examples you mentioned who follow 0 people, they don't follow 0 people. If the number is greyed out like in their examples, it means they have hidden their follows. Blackpink's Jennie and Red Velvet's Yeri are among many Kpop idols who have done the same.
Funnily enough “The good the bad and the ugly” was my favourite movie growing up, not because I was super smart or anything, but because my dad had it on all… the… time… 🤷🏻♀️ maybe Austin’s parents were obsessed by Eastwood too 😂
Saying 0 followers is a way to show that celebrities don't use Instagram is a leap. I agree with a lot of this code but I can understand why someone doesn't want feeds. I have been trying to unfollow a lot of pages I used to follow in the 2010s because
-some pages are dead ,
-some brand accounts with problematic marketing using unrealsitic body images
- triggering content, pages that I now realise could be polarising or ignorant,
-tabloids that I have grown out of or want to stop wasting time on.
Over all, I'm trying to reduce my screen time and maybe be more thoughtful as a consumer of the content I am exposed to and I am not a popular person but I can see why someone could want 0 followers.
Another reason I see is ,I also remember following pages because my favourite celebs followed them and that can cause an indirect affiliation. Its not the worst thing to be conscious of the possible issues with giving some pages visibility without really knowing their intentions, business model and ethics when you are in the public eye.
An ex and I looked into Montessori of the Penn for his daughter, and loved it, but the cost…ouch. The kid’s mom wouldn’t agree, and a judge, who ended up being personal friends with her attorney, agreed to let the mom homeschool instead, which she didn’t do. Queue up a bunch of drama.
I really don’t think we can fairly say that it’s a privilege to not be online. Kicking back outside with a book is free. Radios still exist (though I think that counting time on Apple Music or Spotify counts as screen time when a radio doesn’t). There are a lot of no-screen options that are free. As someone who has been homeless, having a place to reliably charge devices is a luxury.
Influencers pull in the YOUTH. A lot of these brands have no clue what kids like, but whatever kids like is seen as cooler. Also means the brand will survive into the future.
I've recently been obsessed with cillian so I love that u put him on the cover
It's important to point out that ANY parent can choose to not give their children screens. It is not only a luxury of the rich to raise your children without screens. It just has to be a deliberate choice.
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I love finding new artists sharing the work on social media, I really think it has pushed artists to become better at what they do to stand out. …I just can’t stand the influencers who dole out crappy advice about what a person should or shouldn’t wear, what they should say or do, or brain dead relationship advice.
I feel a little more inspired to share my work now. Thanks.
I think how fast you are in taking notes on different mediums is dependend on a) what you are used too b) how you take notes (for people not thinking in words or sentences it may be easier to use a notebook as they are not limited to letters, numbers and emojis)
Edit: Your little giggle when mentioning Cilian Murphy is just so cute!
I have to say, banning the use of cell phones at live creative events is still a standard practice. Movies and plays still tell you to put your phone away and not record anything. It’s actually odd that fashion shows generally don’t follow this rule, but I truly see no harm in any designer banning cell phones at a fashion show.
I fully support The Row's ban on phones. I think it's so annoying when on special events you have professional photographers and videographers who want to fully capture everything, just to have annoying influencers and amateurs pushing their stupid phones right in front of their camera, thus ruining great shots. Or having extra work in postproduction to remove phones from shots.
Also, on the note of privacy, I do think especially in the US that people should take their data security more seriously.
It’s interesting how in the 90s the internet was known for its anonymity, and now it is impossible to use completely anonymously. There is a growing need to be seen - and to experience the exclusive that seems at odds. (I also think in certain contexts, gatekeeping is not a bad word. Many marginalized communities use gatekeeping as a function to protect and preserve their cultures)
This is literally what I've been talking about for the past years - we used to be anonymous and somehow we were able to behave ourselves (yeah, yeah, generalizing here) - now, with our faces visible and our names signed we're hateful. It blows my mind, how some people on SM don't seem to grab it, that we actually see the name and the face to these awful words.
It used to be there was a distinct difference in how to conduct yourself on the Internet versus how to conduct oneself in real life, but since the “Age of Karens,” they’ve been merging, and it is really unsettling and makes me uneasy.
I was raised in a rural area. I look back at it with such fondness now that my livelihood is made by spending time in front of a screen 24/7. Incredibly genuine social connections, fulfilling activities, more time outdoors, freedom of movement all at little to no cost.
I also understand that there's a social contract between celebrities and their fans. But there's a level where it becomes an unhealthy obsession. Especially when fans demand minute by minute update of their lives. It becomes less about admiration, and more about wanting to live precariously through them. It's a fantasy of a life most people feel they don't have access to. Social hierarchies have always existed even in the little village I grew up in. The reason it wasn't a significant issue is that people were socialized to stick to their position in the pecking order. Our societies has sold us the dream of equality for all, while maintaining the importance of social status. It encourages people to reach for their dreams while also reinforcing the idea that you aren't important until you've reached a high stratosphere of achievement. If you don't have a strong sense of yourself, then you'll find yourself chasing the sense of selfworth through obsessive and delusional connections with famous people.
The MySpace era was the BEST. What a time to be alive.
I love the sentiment of group chats and going back to the old internet ways! Most people don’t want to be influencers, we are now curating things for our inner circle.
It's because most celebrities are artists who view publicity as just a small part of their job. While influencers literally make their entire lives their job and are often not considered artists. Acting and singing is an art form, but plugging hair gummies and showing everyone how you get ready for your birthday party at Nobu is well... not lol
This isn't really related to the video (which I really enjoyed by the way) but I felt the need to say that your tone of voice and presence is very engaging.
I'm usually the person who skips around videos or puts them on 2x speed because I'm impatient but I was really invested in this. It was educational, entertaining and had me forming opinions on things I hadn't thought of before. Thank you for your video Mina and I think I'll watch more of them.
Also, in response to the video I do feel like a lot of the resentment influencers receive is out of jealousy. Influencers are in a weird spot where they need to be relateable enough to reach and attract people while being "unique" enough to stand out and actually influence. When they get invited to events they're seen as regular people who have no skill or necessity to be there. I think people tend to want that for themselves and hate on influencers whilst disregarding other skills like networking and being business aware go into these things.
Celebrities are given more grace as usually they're less accessible. It's because of their talent and their passion or they've been in the industry for years etc. People don't relate to celebrities as much and so can view them as "special" unlike influencers who are deemed I guess "less special".
Anyways, I think it's interesting to see how this topic will evolve as you have some celebrities like Beyonce, Cillian Murphy, that one guy from the vampire diaries whose name I forgot etc, who stay offline and are praised for it. But on the other hand many celebrities are developing cult followings through interacting with fans directly. The line between celebrity and influencer is becoming more blurred as parasocial relationships become more and more normalised.
Sorry for the rambling, I just found this quite interesting even though, the fashion stuff is kind of new to me. Thanks again for such a great video!!
16:50 As someone who has lived their whole life in a gated community, there is some missconception about them and other nuances that get left out. At least in Chile, the country where I live, gated communities are not a thing of luxury but rather a thing about safety. Gated communities are often for middle class people to keep things like robberies and assaults away and don't have the luxuries mentioned in the video. There are of course those where rich people live, but those are the expections. In fact, the richest (like important politicians such as the president or celebrities) often don't live in gated communities, but in houses open to the streets (with a metal fence of course, but every single person has a gate outside of their house, even some in gated communities.)
Also, things like nannies or cleaning ladies aren't a luxury either. Every second family has one at least one or two times a week. Especially parents who have to work all day and need both help with the house and the children.
Gary Oldman had to relearn his original accent one time, too. It's not that unusual. a lot of talented actors are absorbent. Film sets are immersive, high pressure and crazy, man. U get in a zone. And if you're fluid enough to be a super good actor, your fluids can get congealed into certain shapes and stuff.
living for the b roll clip of Serena throwing her phone in the trash can I think about that scene a lot
Oh Mina you never disappoint me. as an artist I appreciate your work so much I feel so seen with this piece. Marketing is so difficult for me. I wish I could just leave my entire life creating art and doing nothing else.
This is making me recognize like the privilege to privacy is also related to just the privilege of time and choice when you don’t have to worrying about survival with your money like and how capitalism effects our relationships like it was never the phones it’s the fact that our system doesn’t make time for children or just going with the flow like and they wonder why younger generations don’t wanna have kids and why we have the issues with our younger generations that we have now
this is the earliest i've ever been oh em gee
Me too bro
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I’m shocked that you said you would get scared in a city without your phone: “ …what if I get lost? What if I get kidnapped?” As a GenXer, that is a sad reality check or reflection of tendencies in female youth thought patterns. Maybe this is also an American phenomenon…I don’t know ( not American myself) but omg to hear you say this, is shocking.
I actually love seeing influencers get invited to big events like fashion shows cause we’ve watched them build their accounts up, so it feels like a celebration when they make it to that level
Idk, there are a lot of nonfamous non influencer, etc., people who are not large presences online. My uncle is a prominent medical researcher and practitioner in our area, which itself is a major hub for medical and tech development and he's the most offline person. I have my phone but if I leave it at home one day, I know that literally everyone else around me pretty much has one, I'll have one at work, and then I can always message via email etc., and the rest is out of my control and that's fine. I wasn't raised at a Waldorf school but in a mid-tech family where usage was moderated and I come from families of mostly poor, working-class immigrants. I don't think being private and being offline for nonfamous/nonelites is a sign of snobbery or necessarily class divide (plenty of people richer than me are addicted to their devices and online presence). It's just about prioritization. Did your family prioritize face-to-face or not? Did they instill boundaries and emphasize strong executive functioning skills and supports or not?