Deal with STICK SLIPPAGE the smart way
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2022
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02:17 - Instant fixes for stick slippage
06:10 - If the quick fixes don’t work… Try these grip adjustments
10:18 - The SMART way to solve slippage on the fly…
13:05 - When we WANT to use slippage to our advantage!
18:52 - BONUS: A step-by-step method for 4-way coordination
How many times have you been playing the drums, and no matter how hard you try to avoid it your sticks inevitably begin slipping….causing you to lose focus, lose control, and maybe even drop a stick eventually. This is super annoying, so let’s solve it!
We’ll talk about some simple remedies, key technique adjustments, and cool ways to deal with stick slippage on the fly. You can do this.
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Yes, yes, yes! Stick slippage. Love the ‘caterpillar’ up and down the stick lol. It’s what I do when my sticks move. Been working hard to get my grip and stroke better, however inevitably your stick will move in your hand. In my case it gradually moves up the stick and I need to caterpillar back to where I want it. Also find if my hands are dry the stick moves a little more. Thanks Stephen for confirming this as ‘normal’- it’s been a really helpful lesson. Cheers 😀
I love you videos and as brand new aspiring drummer (sax player my whole life, but at 55 years old I've always wanted to learn to play a kit) and I think your 3-Part Daily Practice Routine will be hugely beneficial.
I can play very basic quarter note beats, have rhythm, but have yet to be able to separate my hands from my feet on anything more complex than that...I even find the hi-hat pedal going when it's not supposed to be; sometimes with the left hand on snare, sometimes with my other foot! :)
Thanks for doing what you do!
Stephen, you are a very good instructor and a primary reason I subscribed to your Channel. I am only a Recreational Player, playing drums to My Music again after 50 Year Hiatus since 1969. I'm 70, retired, and play drums for a retirement enjoyment. When my Grandkids (3 Toddlers now, 2 babies), the Toddlers Love Playing my Drums in the Basement. They ask to play all the time !! I love that too!!. Your description of the Fulcrum is a new one for me. That was never taught to me those many years ago. I'm getting better at it with my right hand , especially on the HiHats , but the left hand is more elusive to attain. I play Matched Grip Now, but learned tradional in 1966 - when I first took lessons and was Bit By The Drum Bug (thank you Charlie Watts, Ringo, Ginger Baker, Dino Danelli, and Keith Moon). This video is consistent nwith all your excellent content with to the point consistency and simply & prgamatically presented. THX again. I'm going to give this a try and down load the practice guide (albeit, I'm very bad about practicing other than playing along to My Music about an 1 hour a day).
For practicing (a lot), I am digging the ProMark sticks with the "activegrip" coating. As my hands warm up, there's just enough stickiness to minimize slippage but not so much that it is annoying.
Hi, for me the activegrip from ProMark is great in the beginning but I can't play too long with these as they are getting too sticky and my hands are getting blisters...
So just a song or two is great, but after I get back to my ProMark "natural" sticks (no coating at all)
I use those sticks regularly now. They actually work well.
I really like their Glenn Kotche Active Wave sticks with the Active Grip. Just enough grip, and the waves allow for super relaxed hands.
I bought a spray can of Bat Grip at a sporting goods store in 1994. been in my kit bag since then; how many hundreds of gigs later still have an 8th of a can left - that's how rarely you have to apply, and how little you should apply. Works amazing, actually aids in lightening my grip AND reducing fatigue. I curl my middle finger just slightly for 2 reasons: To keep from dropping sticks and as primary actuator for finger control.
Great leases on, I never thought of most of it. The crawling up and down the stick, what a good idea!
Excellent! This is something I've struggled with for a long time. It's good to know that I'm not the only one!
You are the most helpful creator on UA-cam 💯🙏
I've been using stick wax and it really seems to help my grip on the stick. Especially during winter.
Thanks for the tips! I find warming up by flexing my fingers really helps.
I'm so glad you made this video. Sometimes I feel like my issues are "amateur" issues, or simply because of improper form. But seeing that you and others, and even the great Questlove struggle with the same problem is quite a relief. Thanks for the tips! I've been using Zildjian's blue stick wax for a couple of years with great success. Lotion is a must as well, since I always have dry rough mechanic hands. Thanks again!
I had that problem then I stumbled across these Trliok Gurtu sticks with the fulcrum/ finger groove and rubber coating. Problem solved. the only sticks I use. Thanks for the great video!
I’ve been dealing with this forever and trying to work on it lately. You uploaded this at the perfect time!
Thank you for doing what you do!
I’m playing devils advocate here, but adding tape, wax, a coating of some sort, in short anything that creates friction, is counter productive. Friction at any point within your technique and grip, diminishes the kinaesthetic property, feeling the stick move, transfer of weight (pending on how far back/up the stick), through to the rebound etc. Similarly, we assume that the thumb is the most important finger, but the pinky is the one with access to the power and control. The pinky doesn’t need its own muscles due to having the power of the arm bones behind it. Most people with pain in the wrist, tension, miss the fundamental problem, that of misunderstanding the elbow rotation, or from miss use of the collarbone and scapula (shoulder blade).
I love your exercise on sliding up the stick to compensate for the grip change. Technique is unforgiving. The long term gain is amazing, but we often don’t see the small changes at first. Throw different techniques and grips into the mix, or combing a Moeller motion and push pull stroke presents its challenges. At the heart of all these things is ‘purposeful practice’, diligence and fun. Sheer fun for playing something that gives so much back to us and others. Happy New Year to all and I really like your channel. Great community you have here.
Love your content, and although I rarely comment, I've had to deal with this at times as a gigging drummer so I may actually have something useful to contribute here. I always have at least one extra pair that I've wrapped in electric tape. I don't typically use them unless I'm having trouble with grip, especially during the winter. The only downfall is remembering to switch back to sticks without tape if your next song requires cross sticking on the snare.
Great video Stephen. I've experienced these exact issues!! Love watching your videos.
The lotion tip was a massive fix for me - thank so much!
Thanks for covering this, has been a concern of mine for a very long time. 👏👏👏
Thanks so much Stephen !
Immensely helpful, thank you ❤️
I have ridiculously dry, often cracked hands. Before I practice, I put on some O'Keefe's Working Hands, which makes my hands feel almost normal. I do my warmups on the pad with some all wood 2Bs. It's like swinging a lead bat before you go up to the plate. The hand creme really does the trick, and I'm able to go through my exercises much more easily than before. For playing on the kit, I 5A Vic Grips with nylon tips. With hands as dry as mine, even after using O'Keefe's, the Vic Grips are just fine for me. I think you mentioned this in an earlier video, maybe just in passing--but it was a great tip, and I recommend it to anyone who has "stick travel," as I always called it. I stumbled on my own caterpillar technique a while back, and now it's just a matter of making it second nature. Thanks for all the great advice.
Thank you, bro! Learn something new everyday!
I must say you are one of the best drum teachers on the internet because you imply technique is what need and then the rudiments cuz without the proper technique you're only going to get so far
Glad I stuck with you on this to get a greater bearing on the stickiness of my sticks and how sticky the stick should be to stick to my fingers when correctly sticking the stick. By sticking with it I’m sure my stick, sticking of non sticky sticks will improve steadily!
I love your method of presentation !
It’s exciting, it’s fun
Thank you so very very much for sharing your knowledge to those of us just starting on the very fun journey
Great job! You're totally right, it's a topic that is not talked about, but it will come naturally in time.You putting it out there will help new drummers to come upon this technique sooner rather than later. It is so important to dynamics, I don't know how many times I've heard people say "wow, a drummer who plays with dynamics!" The ability to to crawl up and down the stick is so key to dynamics 👍✌🏼
Those Danny Carey signature sticks from Vick firth have a slight groove lathed into them at the fulcrum point that helps I find
I have those sticks as well and they're so comfortable to play with. Crazy something so small like that makes a huge difference imo.
Thank You
For me this problem sorta fixed itself when I started using various stick tricks, especially while playing. It did wonders for my grip.
Stick with me 😄 apart from that thank you for all those great videos. It's helping a lot!
With a good Moeller technique, I think you are always letting go and catching the stick. This is the only guess I have to explain why I've never even noticed my sticks slipping. Never been a problem. Thousands of hours on the drums.
You are confusing Moeller with free stroke.
@@jimdrumsburton9925 no, I'm talking about the Moeller technique, of which a loose open grip is part.
That problem happens to me always so this is a vid i really needed
Nice vid
I used badminton racket tape and wrap all my sticks. I use 7A, but with my grip tape, the diameter is similar to a 5. It makes the attack and volume much easier to control with a 7A with the weight of a 5. It takes literally 2 minutes to wrap as much tape as you prefer.
Stephen: crawling for stopping the slippage
Me: *SPIT*
Thank you for sharing these useful tips, I love your videos Stephen! My old man always told me ''Lots of skin contact will provide the stick more control'' and ''A little smeg goes a long way'' He was a damn good drummer though!
A friend turned me on to cat-wax! He's a veterinarian and also plays drums for fun... He found that cat ear wax has a sticky membrane woven into the wax fibers! He began collecting the wax and using it for his dry hands before playing. He gave me a sample and I gotta say, it works great! The only caveat, the smell is almost unbearable! After playing in the drum cage for about 20 minutes, I had to exit quickly to keep from vomiting in front of 6oo plus people. I now wear a respirator mask that is equipped with an oxygen generator. (Like what they use for Airliners) I get a little light-headed from all of the oxygen now but, I can now breath without getting sick and my sticks don't slip out of my hands!!! A double win, indeed!
Thank you for addressing this issue. I am currently relearning how to play after a 20+ year break. I was self-taught and picked up a few bad habits that I'm now trying to break. I play matched grip and noticed that while practicing rudiments my right (dominant) hand slides down the stick. I already started crawling back up on my own discovery. However, it's annoying and perplexing that my left hand never slides down. I'll try your advice and see if I get results.
You left hand fulcrum is better than you right hand. Compare and use your left hand as a guide.
Great physics lesson! How to adjust the fulcrum position by small caterpillar units. (SCU)
using soda on your hands makes for a sweet groove!
Drum gloves help. Also, Pro Mark makes the Glen Kotche wave stick. Look into those sticks, they're very good and heat activated too.
i put an thin elastic band and wrap it around the grip section of the stick a few times...that works for me pretty good....i like the coke thing though...have to try that...
My fulcrum is with the index finger and thumb and never have slippage or drop the sticks and yet my sticks are free to move with the rebound. No problem.
Pro Mark ActiveGrip Sticks are helpful.
Once I was able to remedy the stick crawling, I didn't have blisters anymore (must have been clenching too tight to prevent slippage). It still happens, mostly in very humid conditions for me, but not so much anymore. You can overcome it too
Since I'm not endirsed by Vic. Tape isn't cheap, so as a no longer glamorous drummers, if this helps me, I'll sub 😉
At the risk of submitting (what sounds like) a commercial for a competing stick brand, I have very little slippage issues because of the sticks I use. Regal Tip incorporates a finish that (for me) is superior in that regard. With the other sticks, I find that rubbing my hands with resin improves the situation. Also, I'd love to download your How to Practice guide. How might I do that?
Where oh where has Regal tip gone?! It appears they are out of business but yes their glaze provides the perfect grip I find as well. Vic Firth now has a 5A Doubleglaze stick and it has the same feel as the Regals.
Very interesting video, thank you! This is the first time I hear about adjusting the fulcrum dependening on what you play. It makes me wonderding, isn't it better to always have the fulcrum at the place where you have the most rebound, no matter the dynamics? I'm confused now hahah please help me out
Rob brown made a good vid on that topic
ua-cam.com/video/ZLBLwbW32Hg/v-deo.html
you can really hold the stick way down if you need more power, and with good technique you'll still get good speed out of it, it's really more about the situation n feel you're going for
You don't necessarily need loads of rebound when you're playing quietly. Yes. you want lots when you're loud, but for me too much rebound works against me when I'm trying to be quiet.
Is it ok, when the hinge point is behind the second big knuckle (counting starting from the fingertip)?
Haha, I’ve been playing for like 30 years and I found this interesting.
First of all, crawling the stick back is like just what u do, didn’t even know it was a thing! You need to know how to do that if your like playing a 3 hour gig. Next, I like my sticks as smooth as possible, this reduces irritation and blisters… third, after you play a certain weight stick awhile, you can feel your balance, you know when to move the stick back in your hand. Fourth… Gripsticks=Blisters, HORRIBLE (just my opinion man) especially like he said when your hand get sweaty and soft, rip your calluses off!! I hate them, however they may work for you. Good video though.
I use wax on both ends of the stick (on the tip end it helps with splitters).....
It's really weird to me but when I was younger, in my first ten years of playing I NEVER EVER had this issue but now that I'm relearning how to play, it's happening a lot LOL
Great video! I personally love the vic firth puregrit models, its lacquer free so they are not sticky but they dont slip
i simply use black electrical tape (vinyl) for better grip :)
“Stick with me” 😂
That was my same reaction haha best unintended pun ever.
that was good 😊
What’s the name of the song at 20:21
Believe it or not I use tar tape or friction tape on the sticks and wear black gloves to keep the tar off my hands for breaks. I know it sounds bad but i don't drop any sticks and can still play okay
The crawl is important. Must be able to do it without thinking
Is it bad to hold drumstick in the end when i play, because when i play on balance point i feel the drumstick very short for me?
It's best if you can switch it up. If you ever play in a quite theater for 30 people, you're gonna want to play really soft, and you'll want to be able to shorten your stick.
Sometimes you may want to even switch midsong from very soft and subtle to massive sound as loudly as possible.
I would recommend playing with the sticks while watching tv, just twirl it around, try to switch grips a bit. I like to play rimclicks with the gripend of the stick for more volume and attack, so I've taught myself to switch from holding the sticks on one end to holding on the other end. Will get some impressed stares from the public as a bonus.
On real dry days I keep my sticks and fingers damp with a wet cloth I keep beside me.
superglue.....................just kidding my left hand has the trouble of loosing the grip. but i notice the fulcrum point is your middle finger. maybe i am holding the stick wrong , for both hands my fulcrum pivot point was the index finger, for a match grip.
I am blind and it sucks dropping the your stick! I put heat shrink on mine
Starts at 2:20
I use baseball "sticky" in a spray can. Just a little spray every couple days works for me....
Bad technique causes stick slippage, and potentially injuries. Ensure good technique, especially a proper fulcrum. A proper fulcrum does not need any crawling; nor does it need any change of stick positions. (back on stick, etc.)
Also, I disagree with using the middle finger as the primary fulcrum. It is second to using the index finger. It may be primary if you are playing in the snare line in a Drum and Bugle Corps. But you are losing the finesse and control of using the index finger.
And those positions on the stick are not necessary if you use all three fulcrums.
I found that just a tiny bit of gorilla snot goes a long way. I believe guitar players use it so they don’t drop their pick. If you use too much then it’s get way too sticky, so remember a slight dab will do ya
I tape mine
Bro you're toms. They sound unreal.
If you have stick crawl, your not spending enough time practicing. Period. If you got them sticks in your hands all day every day, you'll be twirling them sticks, I promise you. Hours and hours, weeks and months. You'll get there.
I use Gorilla Snot in my palms and I don't get the slip any more.
Are you jokeing? Do you mean Gorilla Snot Gel ( for fixing the hair)?
@@thomaskleinhans2384 there's a product specifically for drumsticks
I use it too
@@thomaskleinhans2384 😂
No, it's sold at sweetwater, it's called gorilla snot: drumstick and guitar pick grip. It has a picture of a goofy looking gorilla with snot all over his face, dripping out of his nostrils.
The Classic, Natural Grip Aid for Picks and Sticks
Gorilla Snot has been keeping guitarists', bassists', and drummers' hands nimble and tacky since 1987. This non-staining grip enhancer is derived from naturally refined tree rosin and boasts a non-gooey feel and delightful pine scent. Just rub a bit between your thumb and forefinger to enjoy a viselike grip on picks and sticks, mallets and bows, even when you're sweating. Gorilla Snot activates with body heat and washes off easily with soap and water. Just one jar of Gorilla Snot will last dozens of gigs. Get a grip on your performances with Gorilla Snot grip aid from Sweetwater!
@@StacyODell this stuff is made for sticks and picks and it's natural from tree rosin. It kind of smells a bit like pine.
I was desperate. Couldn't grip the sticks for shit. Of course pain and rough drumming. I was using Promark hickory, which has like most in the industry a satin type of finish. On the website I saw the bare wood sticks. No finish. Yay, I could grip that shit for days. Rough effing wood. NOPE. WORSE. So I tried the opposite extreme. I got the highest gloss spray-can lacquer I could find and coated the hand part of the stick. Problem solved. I never wanted the tape or the gloves or the goop; just my hands and the sticks.
Neutrogena or any full and fat hand cream.
two words - golf gloves
I recall an interview with Mark Guiliana where he talks about chocking up on your sticks to play more quietly. cant remember much more about it though
Zildjian besides making some balls and sticks they also make stick wax try it you won’t be sorry
In my time we used what was called ... oh yeah CALLOUSES . MY lord .. after a touff paractice we would use alcohol to harden the callouses. Or get a thick industrial rubber band tie it as the numeber 8 (eight) and voila ready foe r the circus.
Hand lotion = underrated
1148. Thats called "throw". The further back the more throw. The further up, the less throw. Too much throw and you lose control. Too little you work too hard.
Gorilla SNOT..!!! Or Beard/hair wax…
Squuze a few buds every 3 songs, and you'll never drop a stick again ✌💭💭💭🍯🍮🍭🍭🍫🥧🧁🍰🦪🦑🦑🦑🦑