A Great Sequel To A Conclusive Story: Fate/Hollow Ataraxia | Review
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- Fate/Hollow Ataraxia is a Visual Novel made by Type-Moon, but how does it compare to the story that came before it, Fate/Stay Night.
Files:
Hollow Ataraxia files-drive.google.com/drive/folder...
Fate stay Night files- drive.google.com/drive/folder...
Just extract these files to a folder and you should be able to play them.
Also if you're interested in seeing me go through the Extra games I will be streaming them on Twitch.
/ neneisan - Фільми й анімація
This story is so good, I hope this gets a anime .
I'm hoping we get some sort of announcement soon.
@@NeNeiSan I think they’re taking a break from Heavens feel,also they’re probably thinking of a way to make the anime the proper way without putting too muhc money into making 5 anime’s for the different scenarios
@@7_k265 That's true. With how much Demon Slayer has been making, it wouldn't surprise me if Ufotable focused on that for a while.
It would be for the best if they took their time planning, so it could be the best adaptation possible.
I feel like Today's Menu for the Emiya Household is basically the sequel
Same
This is certainly one of the greatest ha reviews of all time. Great job
Thank you, though I feel I could have done better on explaining the amazing writing and elaborating on some of the character dynamics.
Also, yeah F/HA OST is truly a god tier.
A bit of-topic clarification, I know im late, but as you may or may not already know, there is no confirmed 'official' photos of Kinoko Nasu himself (it is known that he is supposedly very shy, even tho all Type-Moon know him of course). The photo that you used here is actually of a Yosuke Shiokawa, the Game Director\Developer that worked on 1 Part of Fate/Grand Order lifecycle (aka until Fate/Grand Order 1.5 Epic of Remnant) and he done some interviews with Nasu too where his photos was used, esp in translation of interviews, yeah.
Welp i lifted my weight lol.
Thank you for letting me know. That is the only picture that came up when I searched his name so I just assumed.
@@NeNeiSan Yeah, its really common mistake so no surprise there (not without Google and etc faults huh), even i imagen could trapped in this if i was not very active in FGO or just TM community (just happened that i actively read interviews, also even tried translate them in Russian so was seeing Shiokawa a lot, but i digress lol).
The only thing that could be done its editing it\making clarification in subs, if its even possible for you, eh.
@@arowmorth Good idea, I'll do that.
Also fun fact about FHA additional content: In the Vita version in the Shinji storyline Hanafuda (KoiKoi) was replaced by Capsule Servant game (you can find it on mobile now).
The best way I can explain how this Fate story exists is that it is more like a universe that was created due to all 3 routes. Think of it as a universe that is reacting to all 3 routes and the stuff that goes on in them, a playground that is constantly being rewritten despite that a lot of things shouldn't exist there. Think in terms of the 'string-theory idea. It technically has no past or future, only existing in the moment. At least, that's how I see it.
That's a great way to look at it, usually the hardest part to describe of HA is it's setting. I just take Nasu's "It's best not to think too much about it," when describing it.
@@NeNeiSan I wonder if what Nasu meant by "best not to think about it" was more in terms of "don't think it is canon to any of the routes, because it's not".
I know that it is called a 'sequel' to the original Fate route but I think the idea of this being a 'sequel' is more in terms of the Fate/Stay Night universe resulting in the creation of the Hollow Ataraxia universe. It's not a spawn within the original Fate universe itself but rather like a cell multiplying from another. That's how I choose to view this as a viewer and it makes a lot of sense to me.
It's also how I choose to view the idea of Fate/Zero resulting in the creation of other universes like "Fate/Stay Night", "Unlimited Blade Works" and "Heaven's Feel". All spawning from one universe, like 'string-theory'.
If the creator won't establish what Hollow Ataraxia is, then I'm taking that as his way how telling us to make up our own minds.
@@tjjordan4207 I like that thought process.
Trying to rationalize and put the undefined parts of the story together is what makes understanding it satisfying. Because no matter what the author tries to convey it is ultimately up to the viewer to decipher its meaning.
@@tjjordan4207 Nasu definitely didn't mean that HA is not canon when he said "best not to think about it" as Hollow Ataraxia is indeed a official canon sequel to FSN.
So when he said that "best not to think about it", he meant we should enjoy the game in a way that we feel like this is the ideal outcome because all 3 routes apparently happened here and everyone is happy including the sevants like Caster, etc so we shouldn't put much thought into it.
HA being a canon sequel to FSN is maybe confusing but it makes sense.
In HA, the 3 routes of FSN are not mutually exclusive unlike in FSN.
He knew that if he wanted to make a canon sequel to FSN, he had to make the fans of each girl happy and so, HA exists in a way where the events of all the routes of FSN occured and they are not mutually exclusive and they all happened in a way that all the servants are happy.
I personally interpret it in a way that HA is a canon sequel to a 4th hidden yet the most desirable route of FSN where all routes happended and all girls are happy so Shirou had a harem lol and all the servants got the ideal outcome.
Great review!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed!
Pretty sure the "filler" like moments are canon too
They are
Everything is cannon if it's the fate series
I'm late to this video but review on fate / Nasuverse is always a welcome .
You're never too late. Thanks for watching!
Great review that does justice to my favorite experience in media. Btw I wonder how you rated Fate/Stay Night?
I would probably give it something between a 9-9.5. I plan to do a review on it, but it will probably be a while. The story means a lot to me and want it to be as perfect as I can make it.
@@NeNeiSan Looking forward to it!
Geez, You've convinced I'll play it ;)
Have fun, I hope you enjoy it as much as I did!
Wow, you made me want to play it (I haven't finished the original, tho). FGO takes all of my gaming time, hahahaha
I highly recommend it, it's a great read.
I get where you're coming from, I've been spending a lot of time playing FGO recently. The grind is real, especially with the lottery event out.
I really love hollow ataraxia.. Also got the vita version at home ^^
Some people say it's not possible to adapt this as an anime, but with a good script it could be work out. It could also be a good opportunity to show more about carens mother (anime exclusive scene) and an animated fight of bazett and kirei.
They only need to find a balance between the slice of life and main story content.
Great review! The additional mini game in the vita version is also fun (capsule servant). It's now days aviable on smartphone as well.
Hollow Ataraxia so far is my second favorite Fate story right behind Heaven's Feel.
I agree and hope they can make a great anime out of it. It will take a lot of creativity to translate what made the visual novel great into the anime format. I would love to see so many moments within this story animated like Bazett vs. Cu, or the final standoff.
Glad you enjoyed, and thanks for commenting!
@@NeNeiSan some directors of ufotable mention an possible hollow ataraxia adaption, if heavens feel sell well.. And thats obviously the case in japan.. definitely a good sign for the future ^^
They often show creativity in stay night (like the sakura dream scene) so I would trust them.
The only complain I've got is the lack of illya and kirei in the heavens feel adaption.. But we will get enough scenes in spring song to compensate for it. (still sad for "die Lorelei")
Otherwise iam statisfied ^^
I know someone from Japan who watched the last movie and loved it.
Can't wait to see it!
@@DarkSideOfMirror That's great to hear, from what I've seen Spring Song was a success so hopefully we can get a Fate Route or Hollow Ataraxia anime in the next couple years.
I'm also hyped to see Spring Song, can't wait to get the Blu Ray when it releases.
@@NeNeiSan just saying but the guy you put up for Nasu in the beginning isn't actually Nasu.
@@DarkSideOfMirror there’s a lot of Kirei and Illya in HF3
Ufotable, please adapt this game into an anime one day 🙏
Really hoping it comes soon
@@NeNeiSan The Demon Slayer movie was so successful so they’ll definitely have the budget to make a new Fate series 😅
@@prototypex674 Yep, I think it is just a matter of when!
Ufotable would fuck it up
@@deuce5546Unfortunately, all Ufotable fans are so distracted by the gorgeous animations that they don't realise that Ufotable ruins the atmosphere and tone of Fat/Stay Night while lacking substance.
Their only good adaptation is Fate/Zero
Does it have multiple bad endings?
Do you recommend I use a guide to 100% the game? Or do you think I won't miss anything without a guide?
Multiple endings?
There is not bad ending in the typical sense. The whole game takes place in a 4-day loop, so if you were to end up dying, you will just end up restarting the loop (with your progress saved).
100% is pretty easy without a guide, there are indicators to let you know what scenes you have and haven't seen. Keep this in mind though, at some point you will end up at 99.8% and there will be no more "new" on the scenarios. When that happens whenever you can go to school, go there and the scene you need to see will appear.
There is only one ending.
My main issue with Hollow Ataraxia is that True Assassin is completely absent. As my favorite servant, I’m sad how little attention he gets.
At the time I never noticed his absence. After reading through Camelot and rereading a bit of HF I came to really like him as a character.
OH YEAH I JUST REALIZED HE WAS COMPLETELY MISSING HA
Him and Kotomine missing makes me unable to give Hollow Ataraxia a 10/10
@@deuce5546Kirei literally died in all possibilities of the 5th Holy Grail War. Being disappointed that he didn't come back in the sequel is expecting too much in my opinion.
I want to play it but fgo is killing my free time xD but i will play when i have enough free time plus nice review you're the reason why im gonna play it
I know what you mean, I've been sacrificing a lot of time to grind the lottery event. When you do get the chance I hope you enjoy it, it's a great experience!
Fate Stay night,, my Favorite Anime,, Such memories to me,, & My Beloved Waifu & my best GirL, Saber Artoria PendragoN,, ❤
Yes
At the end of heavens feel and ubw the characters seemed to have aged multiple years, but this story is just after 6 months? So does this cut in between the conclusions of the routes?
For simplicity's sake, yes.
It's it's own little timeline, with aspects from each FSN ending incorporated. There's bits from Fate, references to UBW, and of course HF as well, but there's no one predominant route.
Since Fate is a multiverse with each timeline being canon, this works out quite well
@@praetor29You're both right and wrong, the events of Hollow Ataraxia simply take place before the time skip in the endings of the previous game.
Though the only thing that we can't explain is how Shirou is normal after the end of the HGW but at the end of Heaven's Feel he loses his body. It is never mentioned so I'll assume it's part of the Nasuverse shenanigans.
I like it because it's so happy.
That's a good enough reason as any! It's a really nice change of pace, especially after all the depressing stuff that happened in Heaven's Feel
i have a question so when u say its a mix between all the routes you mean all the main events right. does shirou lose the power he gain in his battle with gilgamesh and archer
Its a bit confusing, as its rarely stated what exactly happened. They make references to certain plot points that occurred in the 3 routes, but it rarely directly states what happened in this version of the Grail War. There is a reason for this, but its a huge spoiler.
@@NeNeiSan so they dont say what happens at all
@@t20bry33 From what i can remember there is only one thing they directly state that happened in the Grail War. Everything else like Archer's identity and Sakura's issues are included within the story. Though it isn't explained how it fits into the timeline. It's best not to think about it as by the end it will make sense.
@@NeNeiSan Basically as we can judge it explained by that "Event" Rin did that actually happened before the "Loop" was created. Thats why all story's are happened and things became this way.
So this way Emiya Gohan and Take-Moon, etc make sense.
Gotta say Clock Tower not gonna love this lmao.
@@NeNeiSanEh, I noticed in HA that everyone (mainly the other servants, Shirou, Sakura and Rin) act as if they don't know Archer's identity. Hell, there's a scene where Archer says something that's related to when he was alive but Shirou's confused as if he doesn't know.
Given they just did the Heaven's Feel movies, this makes sense the most for Ufotable to adapt next.
Ever heard of Fate route, they need to do that.
@@gojialter0023, not relevant enough.
@@gojialter0023No need to, the DEEN adaptation is fine as it is, Ufotable can't make it better other than their better animation.
But if you just want a Fate route anime remake purely cause of the animation then you're being delusional.
F/HA is honestly amazing and really fun, i love it so much. Even if its a fan disk with a Writing Team (including Kinoko), in traditional Kinoko sense is very confusing (esp for non Type-Moon fans) and has fanservice\filler, most of the confusion is really can be outdone by understanding Nasuverse mechanics (plus accepting few things, you know about what element in Nasu-Sequels writing im talking) & reading the materials, while existing fanservice\filler itself is actually serves the narrative aka character development, story and themes, building upon the original Fate/Stay Night, even all Quadrilogy (F/SN, F/HA, F/Z, El-melloi II) and other Nasuverse lore too.
F/HA really makes you love characters you already know from F/SN and etc even more and introduces such interesting and charismatic new once.
F/HA storytelling essentially is good balanced in writing and also since you can choose the scenes, well i would say in general having writing team is taking a huge fun turn on the formula in contrast with F/SN. Also, main story, asking the right questions, so good!
Im not even talking about production, its skyrocket compered to F/SN lmao.
And damn, mystery and horror are really Kinoko's bread and butter, i can assume - even was before writing of Kara no Kyoukai (i would love to read that sweet original Mahoyo and "Old Fate" light novel scripts).
In other worlds its no surprise that i ended up preferring F/HA to F/SN, as weird as it may be, cus its essentially still needs that solid foundation that F/SN provides, huh.
Anyways, good work here, more people should know about "peak Fate" that is F/HA lmao.
HA is my favorite Fate story behind Heaven's Feel. The main story is something I look back to frequently and am amazed at how well it played out and tied everything together. This was the first time I played a game like this and enjoyed it a lot.
I would really love to read Mahoyo, but Instead of a playthrough, I'm going to wait for it to be translated.
@@NeNeiSan I know right! I was also so impressed about main story when i comlpeted it first time (and also every time i re-read it), cus even then i read a few story's similar to this and even Nasu's "Kagetsu Tohya" VN (Tsukihime VN sequel, say hi to being an og "paranoid man"), but it was on another level of story-theme writing & connection, esp compering to "KT" Kinoko's progress practically can be seen (even tho the works ofc has its own differences albeit with a-like vibes) in "Nasu-Sequels"(as i call them) writing formula. Well, anyway, Its really affected me a lot, so cool (prob gonna grial Best Boy in FGO soon).
F/HA is kind of high in my top 5 Nasuverse & Nasu works actually (my best favorite for a long time probably still is Kara no Kyoukai LN, even tho nor Russian nor esp English TL's are amazing and i dont know JP. Well at least Russian one for me is okay, since i can say, with it being my native lang), Kinoko is an devil (actually Satan) genius that's right.
Cant wait to read a full Mahoyo VN translation, best of luck to Hollow Moon team, what can i say.
@@arowmorth Kagetsu Tohya was great, still haven't completed it though since I don't want to run out of Tsukihime content.
@@NeNeiSan I see, yeah KT is definitely really good too (and in some moments is soo sweet, oh).
In terms of Tsuki staff you can also try playing arcade mods of first versions of Melty Blood (these that before REAct yeah), since its has a bit of different alternate time lines and character storys\lore, if you interested and still havnt done it. Tho this elements is also was mostly adapted into a manga tho i dont exactly remember what anymore.
But anyway it was fun to try early MB gameplay wise, the evolution of gameplay is real, huh.
@@arowmorth I've read all of the Melty Blood arcade modes, and still play MBAACC from time to time.
Soo most likely HA will get anime adaptation soon?😃
Nothing has been announced yet, but I'm really hoping for it!
@@NeNeiSan same here,new subscriber btw :D
@@frostzy6754 Thank you so much! I hope you continue to enjoy the content!
more saber i hear i am in
Yep, Saber has a lot of fun moments in here!
Did rin have relationship with shirou in fate hollow ataraxia?
They aren't really in a relationship due to the nature of the story, but there is still many great moments with Rin and Shirou.
@@NeNeiSan So Shirou doesn't have any relationship with Sakura, Saber, Or Rin?
@@ayaka8958 he doesn't.
@Jason Pamatmat Not exactly, but in a way ye
@@NeNeiSan He does in a way ngl.
Nasu gave him a harem here as it is a canon sequel to FS/N after all. Nasu had no choice but give him a harem here as the events of all 3 FSN routes in HA are not mutually exclusive after all.
I just wish the whole game was Bassett and angra I enjoyed that so much more than the filler
I can see where you are coming from. The main story of this game is my 2nd favorite Fate story and think back about it often. Though I did enjoy the filler immensely. The filler also helps give a more thematic meaning to the ending, which I thought was well done.
@@NeNeiSan that’s a good point. What’s your first favorite fate story?
@@TheBrew3 Heaven's Feel
@@NeNeiSan Nice mine is Zero
If you remove everything that isn't just Bazett and Avenger you'll literally have an incomplete stories, there are many important cutscenes and lore in the filler.
I am pretty sure it doesn't follow sakura route
Its a bit weird on how to explain the chronology. I just say it follows a merged version of all the routes because it relies on the information provided in all 3, as well as some references are made to each route. But I just take Nasu's word for it and "Not worry about it too much."
pretty sure the person you showed as Nasu was Takeuchi lol
Haha, I realized after I uploaded that it was Yosuke Shiokawa who worked on FGO. I just used the first photo on Google without checking at the time.
@@NeNeiSan lol ye, google kinda gives the same image no matter whom you look up of the 3
If you genuinely liked reading the f/sn VN then you just have to play fate/hollow ataraxia.
It's as simple as that. As obvious and natural as taking your next breath.
Yep, its such a great experience and makes Fate/Stay Night way more impactful.
@@NeNeiSan Truly. Not only is the main storyline pretty damn solid with the newly introduced characters being completely fleshed out, you also get to enjoy and appreciate the old cast so much more. I'd argue that Gilgamesh is the only character who doesn't get expanded upon (not counting Kid Gil).
I think you should increase the volume of your video
Sorry about that, at the time I didn't have a very good microphone and if I raised it any higher than what it was at there would be a lot of interference.
@@NeNeiSan increase a little cause hard to hear your voice
@@naihannoor2245 Sorry, unfortunately I can't control the volume after it's uploaded.
try turning up your volume 🗿
Sounded fine to me, try turning it up on your end?
HA is peak 😭 Angra >
Completely agree! Angra has become one of my favorite characters in Fate.
why do you sound like Cybershell
Haha, I didn't know who that was and checking out a few of his videos I can kind of hear it a little bit! The mic I was using at the time compressed my voice quite a lot, so maybe that has something to do with it?
@@NeNeiSan probably, I only hear it in this video, not your newer ones
Dude I just want to know what happened to Rin , Sabre , Shiro and Archer after fate stay n8 ..
Is there nothing ?
There isn't much of a direct sequel after Stay Night. With small bits of the characters' future spread across different entries.
I haven't read it myself, but Rin does show up and becomes a main character in the Light Novel Adventures of Lord El Melloi II.
The final episode of the UBW anime show Rin and Shiro's future after the Grail War.
And the epilogue to the Fate Route, Last Episode, shows a bit of Shirou and Saber after the Fate Route.
@@NeNeiSan thanks bro
I think fate creators have created even they can't explain
@@Aman-ql6pv Haha, that's true. There is just so much Fate that can make it confusing.
very important question
Is there sex
There is depending on which version you read through. There is 1 scene in the main story, and 4 unlockable scenes in a different menu. The version of the game that I have in the description includes these scenes, but if you don't want them, you can disable them in the settings.
I enjoyed the review but not the pompous pronunciation of "Atraxia"
I'm glad you enjoyed! That's just how I intially read it and it stuck with me lol.