Good on you with your knowledgeable videos taking time to put these together, my mission in life is to never ever sit foot in an ev ,ill stick to my gc63 amg ,no lekki car can put a smile on my face ,sounds unbelievable, £120 a year to tax and free ulez gas guzzling v8😂
yer gas guzzler, just puts a big smile on, a very rich Saudi Arabians face, who then subsidises the building of a massive Mosque, in your local area, with some of yer hard earned, that you paid to fill up with, "well done you hey, or maybe not"
At some point mate you will be landed with some horrendous sized repair bills! Only a daft twat would condemn anything without even trying one! Your opinion on EVS isn't worth Jack shit because you have so ignorantly opined on it after admitting you know nothing! Now we all know you are as thick as mince.
The algorithm in a new EV limits battery range to between 20 to 80 % ( below 20% and above 80% the battery chemistry is degraded normally an EV will shut off charging at 80% and this has to be overridden by owner ) - but as the battery ages and loses capacity the algorithm allows areas below 20 % and above 80% to be used, this will increase rate of battery damage - so battery capacity degradation is not linear, it is a vicious circle, 'the worse it gets, the worse it gets'...
Given that profit margins for petrol stations are so tight ( hence the mini markets ), and as EV's take more share of the market, how long before petrol stations either shut or stop selling petrol, and ICE vehicle owners face range/filling anxiety, and we effectively have the worst of both worlds ?
With virtually all major manufacturers recalling tens of thousands if EV's due to battery safety issues I can't see how anyone can say its not a major issue ?
"buying a pig in a poke" is exactly what you doing when buying an EV. Piglets purchased at the annual fair in bags upon opening later to discover a cat (hence "to let the cat out of the bag" was to reveal the secret)
All the info needed on battery degradation is available from the car. How the hell do manufacturers get away with not making it available via the cars displays?
VW were fined millions and took a big hit to their reputation, you think other manufacturers of EV diesel or petrol cars will lightly follow them down that road.
Testing an average of 7000 individual cells connected in parallel and series groups is pretty impossible... The failure of even one cell in a group puts extra stress on the remaining cells and accelerates battery degradation. Also no good dissembling a battery ( a very dangerous job ) and replacing individual cells or groups because the remaining cells will all still be the original age of the battery. The fact is the whole battery needs to be replaced - at massive cost.
I totally trust these battery tests..just like my laptop says battery is 100% charged and only lasts 10mins 😂 if my PC cannot even check 2 or 3 cells accurately what magic are they using to check every single one of the 7000+ cells?
I got my first EV 3 weeks ago. And I've already covered 2000 miles. But it's a company car. I'm not going to buy an EV unless there are proper certified battery tests, plus extended battery warranties lasting 15 years and 200,000 miles. If the batteries are as good as they say, surely the extended battery warranties won't be expensive. The car manufacturers have to offer this.
Aviloo is a software based report not a battery test then isn’t it? The first Cupra you looked at didn’t have its battery run down to 10% as it only has 4 miles on it!
Sounds like a computer model of battery health to me, we all know how effective these are! EVs are a result of one driving gov policy, and let’s not forget lockdowns were based on decisions made after considering a model.
Wht don't we have an ice oil certificate: 1, we can check the oil health ourselves using the dipstick and eyes and nose, 2, the service history literally contains the oil change history, 3, a fresh oil change costs 50 quid vs a battery change which is 2k -6k quid.
What happens when they have to find a way to tax EVs because they are losing 53p on every litre of petrol that’s not being sold? People like you are so gullible, ideal EV fodder!
@LondonOrganicKevin the master plan is to bring in a carbon allocation and the ev is necessary because, like the smart meter, it can be turned off remotely. To make that happen the gov under instructions from the world bankers will do whatever to raise the cost of ice so; yeah, expect oil, parts, tyres, taxes and fuel to all go up as they are manipulated to help bring in this rather nefarious plan. Only in Germanic origin countries though for some reason. It sucks but as nobody is going for the ev switch the plan is stumbling at every turn.
@@LondonOrganicKevin Would go up a bit if far less is sold, but it would mean the shutting of some Fuel stations and leaving the rest to operate at a bit of profit still. But don't expect to see you're dream come true in the next 15 years! The Gov. and previous one has created a complete mess and are nowhere near their own targets! Where are the plans, let alone actual installation of chargers for residential car parks??? Well, there is one apparently, but it states it wants to increase 10 fold the access to on-street charging to street parked residents and for residential parking bays, with grants covering 75% (up to £350 lol) of the cost, by 2030! That's a 10 fold increase on virtually ZERO! Great!! The Gov. are so far out on this it's scary!
I can explain the over 100% SoH: The SoH is calculated on the "usable" battery, but batteries have a buffer / more capacity. Some say it's to prevent them from fully draining, but IMO it's kinda obvious that manufacturers want to sell/re sell them early on with "90%+" SoH. After all, if it were in the 80s, most people would start to think about the degredation over say 3 years / 30k miles. I recognize the wording used by Aviloo and it sounds very similar to my "collegues" in consulting, which is a clear giveaway of something fishy going on.
I did read that during an evacuation Tesla updated their EVs remotely and gave them more range, I was waiting for one of the people who call me a liar, etc to come up with an answer, but they never do that, all they are good for is calling people names that they don’t agree with, so thanks for your explanation 👍
The only way to 100% verify a single cell integrity is through internal resistance test. Due to EV battery design that test is impossible to perform. Each individual cell has the be checked one at a time because the parallel circuitry in a battery bank can only measure the total internal resistance of a mass of cells. If one cell is bad or open it would hardly register much internal resistance difference. The buss bars in the battery are designed to break and go open if the failing cell becomes too much to work with.
It's not necessary to verify every cell independently though. EV packs typically have 96-100 cells connected in series to get the 400V, and then those series sets are connected in parallel. The capacity of each series-connected set of cells is the capacity of the weakest of them, so if one cell starts to fail the overall pack capacity will drop by the capacity of that cell and all the series-sets in parallel with it. Also, the voltages will become unbalanced. The management system will notice that. It can't tell exactly which cell is failing for sure, but it will know that there is a problem. So if the management system says the battery pack is OK, then it probably is.
Even if a 'proper' test is done, any EV is one faulty cell away from the cost of battery replacement. I suppose that one might say the same for ICE cars, as for example a failed cam belt might mean a new engine, but as you say we are familiar with ICE technology and there are precautions (such as cam belt replacement) we can take to minimise such risks. With EVs there are no such precautions to take with respect to ensuring maximum battery life. It seems to me as though there will be quite a few companies coming into the market with snake oil products designed to make cash out of buyers who are worried about battery life.
You think cam belt replacement is a good thing? Are you nuts you are telling me ICE cars are designed to fail. Batteries usually have an 8 year warranty, what warranty does your engine have?
So what if you have a faulty cell, you get it replaced, back on the road, then another one goes? False economy and a really stupid idea, if one cell goes, you can bet more will go soon, they’ve all had the same treatment
@BarrieCrampton Have you any evidence for this? I suspect not like so many other if your comments you just make stuff up to reflect yours and this channels bias. They probably won't just one cell anyway
I’m afraid yet again you are wrong, our workshops have cylinders rebored, crankshafts reground, camshafts re profiled, valves re round and reseated, valve seats inserted, you don’t know what you are talking about, but you know what our workshop won’t do? They won’t work on EVs, now just be quiet and stop polluting my timeline with your inane drivel
If the Flash test is so accurate why the disclaimer that it is "for information only and are NOT eligible to be claimed on" with the word NOT in capitals and emphasiased? Are they NOT confident in their own test results?
@@Hitstirrer If you assume the battery will be replaced under warranty in the first 8 years that's great. The less well-off might be buying their car when it's 8 years old already. Presumably we don't care about those people.
@@chrisyoung7157 Do you care about the guy who eventually buys your petrol car when it's 8 years old? What's the difference? Or are you just seeking to virtue signal how 'caring' you are?
@@Hitstirrer I have a 17 year old son who has just bought his first car, a 17 year old Mitsubishi. The car appears to be very good and well looked after for its age. Where is the equivalent going to be in the EV utopia? I suspect a 17 year old EV will be lucky to drag itself to the end of the street. Will it only be rich people's kids that can afford a car? I tend to find virtue signallers among the EV pushers who can't wait to get on a jet to go on holiday.
@@chrisyoung7157 Well, as EVs have only been around some 12 years in any serious numbers that would be hard to find. However, using Autotrader filtered to find electric cars it pops up with 23 cars that are 12 years old priced from £1500, and 100 x 10-year-old cars that offer good value. Hardly out of the price of young drivers unless they want a real petrol banger. Over time as the electric car fleet gets bigger there will be a wider selection at all prices. Even some of the very early 2010 EVs will still be around to buy.
Battery degradation based on my limited experience as an aircraft engineer (test or NiCad aircraft batteries 747/767) requires batteries to be tested under a heavy load (a big current draw like a lead acid battery test by auto electricians) ! According to the AviPoo reports max current draw is 1.4 amps!!!! 400v x 1.4amps = 560 watts. Can anyone advise me if my logic is wrong please? Barrie has hit a gold mine on these reports! Well done.
You don't have to drive the car to test the battery. The tester can apply various loads via electronic means to check the health of the battery. That is one advantage of batteries: they are very easy to assess for health. However, the lack of detail in Aviloo's claims about how they perform their tests gives serious cause for concern. Anyone can come up with a 'detailed report', but that has nothing to do with the actual state of the subject of the report. Leaving batteries standing does them no harm unless they are discharged through parasitic loads to below their minimum voltage where they require care in charging and will lose capacity. Using batteries is the prime cause of degradation. Also, 102% is possible against a 'standard battery'. An ICE car may have more horsepower than the manufacturer claims due to tolerances in manufacturing. You don't distrust that figure, you accept the variance.
This is Snake Oil Salesmanship while you were reading the Tester details the section History sounded Alarm bells. If and its a big if the chargers store information on the charging of all cars, then it would be possible to deduce how often High Voltage charging was used ( this could be done if this information is collected). Then the manufacturer could say right mostly low voltage home charging so we calculate that the battery has been slowly charged and the battery heath should have depleted so far. Conversely if most charging has been on high voltage chargers then the battery should be depleted to this far. If this information is not available then there is no test that can give an accurate battery health. Funny the BCA will not give these tests as a guarantee.
102 % because it started with a few percent over listed capacity to ensure its atleast 100% allowing some error in manufacturing. One bank of cells are over 150 millivolts out either higher or lower than the other cells. On electric scooters and lithium leisure batteries you can manually balance it. Perhaps a rolling road to stress test the battery would be a more useful quick test.
Is this a standardised test or a manufacturer's interpretation of health? If its open to interpretation and another testing tool comes to market, they need to interpret exactly the same way or its pointless. Either way, if the health is anything other than the highest then its a no from me...the battery won't get any better. The example you showed, the corsa, 3 miles, the test required 100% SoC, so without splitting hairs, how can they say 3 miles, one would guess thats 30 miles by now? I am interested in how the battery has been treated, so thats how many cycles its been through, how many full charges, how many fast charges.
@@befungedCheck the small print ,on some they have hidden exclusion clauses if you charge in an integral garage for example ...others don't care - so far(:
Nobody even managed to make an accurate battery tester for the humble 12 v lead acid battery that has been around for hundreds of years, and on average contains 3 , 6 or12 2 volt cells, all connected in series, should be easy to test, right
As an electronics guy the problem I see with this "test" is its just reading the data the vehicle is showing/giving out, and as these things are now rolling computers that can be programmed to "look" any way they want it to, so they could have it "showing" 50% but its actually 40% then when it gets to 10% they acn make the rate of loss go to double what it was levelling them off when nearing 0%, this might make battery health results look better than what they actually are especially as i'd imagine they are typically done when nearer the fully charged mark. Thats probably why a Tesla's real world vs estimated ranges are off by a bit so IMO thats not a "real world" test IMO, a real test would be a load test where a large consistent load of say 10kw is placed on the battery and its measured over time and battery health is extrapolated from that data of voltage and current draw and remaining charge.
ICE cars have been made for over 100 years but the manufacturers still introduce faults with new designs Porsche Booster/911 water cooled engines, Ford wet cam belt etc All of them will cost a fortune to fix it they go wrong
Writing this on a Samsung S23 uses a Lithium-ion battery. Apparently, Tesla uses lithium-ion batteries...my point is. Every phone i have ever had, eventually loses its charge,faster and faster as it ages....hence the main reason I have too change.. this happens in 2/3yrs.....
Yeah, but you charge your phone every day, possibly more than once. In 3 years you'll get through the equivalent of more than 500 full charges. On an EV that's close to 100k miles of driving.
@@paulnewman9275 No more so than any other car - most cars are starting to face serious bills around 120k miles, with suspension, brakes, bearings and other mechanicals all wearing out. And they are at that point where even minor damage is an insurance write-off. In short, the battery will easily outlast the rest of the car in most cases. Especially for high mileage drivers.
@15bit62 Absolute rubbish ...I've had many cars do over 200,000 miles with no major problems. Even if you had a major overhaul at say 120k it might cost 5k ...a new battery is 15-40k....end of days for the vehicle. So many new batteries failing already , 40,000 vehicles from Porsche,Audi and Jaguar alone ... most will be written off. Currently EV's are an environmental nightmare ,a ticking time ...maybe they will get better but for now they are a sad joke.
@@paulnewman9275 Yes, but the batteries don't fail at 120k miles - that's the point. You point to your cell phone as proof that EV batteries won't last more than 3 years, but that's nonsense (the 8 year warranty offered on all EV batteries should be your first clue to this). Cell phones are recharged massively more frequently than cars, they don't have a thermal management system and they are often used in ways that accelerate degradation (100% charging every night especially). And even then they last 500 cycles or more. With the decent management you get in an EV and the more sympathetic usage cycle (charging to 70-80% most days, proper thermal management) the lifetime will greatly exceed this in most cases. For sure a failed battery pack at 100k miles will be an economic write-off, but then so is a blown engine or gearbox. Most of those Jag/Porsche recalls won't be written off. They will trace batch numbers on the packs/cells, replace the ones that need replacing and owners will keep their cars. The packs that are swapped out will most probably get re-purposed for some storage/buffering application working in a restricted capacity window. If not, they will get recycled. I admit it's not good publicity though, and i don't think they are handling it well either. You are welcome to believe that EVs are a sad joke if you like, but i struggle to see that. Compared to a diesel they are for sure compromised in terms of range and price, but i wouldn't be able to drive mine round from central Norway to central England every summer if they were so awful.
If ev batteries were a safe bet, it would be poossible to buy battery insurance/warranty for to cover your battery for several years ahead. Obviously the ev customers realise they are shouldering that risk and it is scaring them so much they are not purchasing. They are right to be scared in my opinion until battery refurbishment companies become prevalent and the cost becomes more known.
Lol you're great mate I watch you're videos and I agree with everything u state. Its common sense really. Electric vehicles have there place. But they are definitely not the answer . What happens to millions of elec cars after 10 years no one knows. There is many 30 year old cars out there. I worked in the trade for awhile as a car buyer. And Electric cars scare me. Keep it up pal I need a laugh everyday.😅
102.4-% 👇👇 Battery state of charge is determined by the cell voltage and internal resistance, all that is controlled through the BMS(battery management system, the thing you have is just a software calculation not an invasive test. EVs and a lot of lithium batteries are never fully charged to 100% or discharged to 0% this is to protect the cells from premature damage. So I assume when a manufacturer states a vehicle has a 60kwh battery for example, only 50kwh of it is useable energy, 102.4% is just over the 80%of its useable capacity not 102.4% of total capacity. That is my assumption on it. Plus all this information is already available from the vehicle on board diagnostic systems. The caveat I will add to that is…vehicle manufacturers will fully anticipate the battery to drop to 90% of useable capacity in a few years then level off, SO they may include software to compensate for that aswell, so when it says 100% of usable capacity it may in reality be 90% of usable capacity. I think a better and clear solution is to state calculated expected range, if new it was 400 miles but now it’s 5 years old and the range is 350 miles for example the customer has a clear indication of how far they can drive. I’m a big advocate for EVs, my background is as a vehicle technician and I believe EVs have a huge amount to offer owners, much much cheaper to run and own and require virtually zero maintenance.
My 2022 BEV's battery is failing again. After it was exchanged on warranty a year ago. But BEVangelists teach us that they should last for decades - could it be that they are wrong and that lithium batteries age like lithium batteries?
@@befunged Currently the battery isn't charged fully anyore. Theres a very high difference in voltage between accelerating and rekuperating, pointing to high internal resistence. (compared to when it was new). After taking it from the charger and using it, the voltage also drops off significantly and the motor is not provided full power. The effective range now with these issues as well as the cold winter and additional payload is down to 1/3 the nominal value. Battery is now half a year old.
@@svr5423what's the car ? Why hasn't the replacement been fixed under the 8 year battery warranty? Why don't you reject the car if the repair has failed ?
@@befunged it's an VMAX R25 E-Scooter. The warranty is only 2 years and it has already expired. Currently my trusty Hyundai i30 petrol car is covering short distance travel. Its superior lead acid battery has no issues in winter and is already over 7 years in service.
An EV battery will degrade capacity on average 4% per year, that is if everything is perfect.. Fast charging, running battery below 20% and charging above 80% all degrade battery quicker.
So you had a look at some battery tests, and because the battery state of heaths are higher than you expected, the tests aren’t worth the paper they’re written on? I bet you’d agree with them if they all said 60%
@ I did, I saw a car with almost 80k miles on with only 6% of battery degradation. I also saw a faulty battery with an exclamation mark that could be easily repaired on warranty
A battery test tells you the condition, like your oil pressure, yes batteries can fail though not often, but the cambelt or one of a hundred things can fail 10 seconds after your oil pressure smoke test.
@ Even if the engine fails, it can usually be easily be replaced with an engine from a scrapyard for a reasonable cost. Not so EV batteries! Try finding someone prepared to do the work for a start.
We are talking very unusual events. If I had a car that was over 8 years old or had done 100,000 miles and the engine was a total failure, I would not be spending money replacing the engine. @WeAreAllDoomed-n5i
@@befunged You're a little out of touch there EVangelist, let me help you out. In the late 1990s, a scientific study measured what came out the exhaust of a 996 series Porsche 911 (that's a petrol car by the way), and found that it was actually cleaner than the air going in through the engine's air intake. The internal combustion engine was made ultra-clean 30 years ago, unlike those dirty, planet destroying, fire prone EV things that you like. Hope this helps, love from a Petrol Head. By the way, you should try a petrol car sometime. You'd absolutely love how convenient it is. Fuel fill-ups in 3 minutes, and at least 600 mile range on a full tank. And they don't catch fire, or depreciate like a stone. Knocks your silly EV into a cocked hat, doesn't it? You'll never want to go back to electric ever again. Petrol is absolutely brilliant. It's the future.
Until a battery for EVs is built that doesn't degrade I'll stick to ICE cars thanks. Ar least I know that if I get it serviced regularly someone will buy it off me when I want to sell it.
Barry how many batteries have you replaced so far? If you bought an old Nissan leaf with a range left of 30!40 miles it wouldn't be worth more than £2 to £ 3K which would get you to work cheaper than your £9K Ami. But send it to cleverly you can get a 40 kw battery installed for not a lot of money, it even a 20 kw extender battery in the boot. The car would then be worth a lot more and you sell it for a profit. But all the new EVs have massive battery warranties and they have a proper cooling/ heating system, which gives them the longevity Why dont you point out all bad ice car problems. The ingenium rover engine, the french puretec engine, the horrendous cost of repairing the bmw mini, and all the other stinkers you know about! Your still selling all these cars aren't you? You don't tell customers what you know, do you? If you did you wouldn't sell most of the cars you have in stock.
There's a reason why (1) no state of health given on complex internal combustion engines, (2) very few OEMs willing to stand behind their internal combustion engines beyond 3 years, but ARE willing to give 8 years on traction batteries, and (3),why the motor trade make most of their money maintaining and repairing those internal combustion engines..... Times they are a changing.
@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i whenever I apply for house insurance, the online form never asks me whether I have an electric Porsche on my driveway. So how does that happen? 🤔
@15bit62 except they are not having to replace all the batteries. And that's why they are all happy to give 8 year warranties. And that's the real world. If the doom mongers' stories were true, they'd be loads of batteries being replaced and the OEMs would be spending a shed load on replacement ones. But they're not. So all is good.
Its called "the other side of the story", as every day we are having EV and related climate stories pushed at us from all mainstream media and nearly all political parties. So "moan, moan, moan" is an antidote to the highly questionable claims that car users could actually make a meaningful difference to natures current warming (however much that may be). If it really was as simple as "if you don't like them then don't buy them", then most people would not buy. However, the bias is such that in the not too distant future some people would have us do away with any alternative. EV's will be great for some situations and people, as Barry frequently says. If they are cleaner, over the whole life-cycle, that's great. Pushing EV's as the be all and end all is just wrong and Barry makes this clear.
I like EV's but don't mind hearing Barries opinion and have llearnt a few things. I still like EV's btw and am planning on buying my first one this month.
@@jaypr69 that’s very kind of you to say, and your comments even if they were true, say a lot more about the kind of person you are, than it does about me, I would rather be thick an ignorant than swap places with you, happy new year 👍
I’ve had a range of petrol and diesel cars and now I have a secondhand EV. Will I buy another one I don’t know, but I’m not petty like you pretending all EV’s and their owners are the devil. I bought mine because at the time it was £0 Road tax £0 congestion charge (yes I know that changes this year). I also like that you don’t have a catalytic converter for someone to steal, no water pump, clutch, gearbox, fuel pump, alternator, radiator timing belt or engine issues either. Plus there is longer between services.
Pretty sure evs have cooling systems, air con, suspension, brakes, transfer gearboxes, so lots of things to service and lots of lovely electronics to play up. Plus a very expensive battery that no one yet has experience of owning long term. Let's face facts few will buy an ev when the battery approaches end of warranty from a seller who cannot show the state of health.
@jaypr69 You aren't petty but are happy calling someone stating his ignorance and asking for information as thick? And note you specifically say you bought the EV you have because of the financial incentives. You also add that the impossibility of having an expensive catalytic converter stolen is an advantage. Certainly true, the thought occurs to me, how often are BEV cars stolen? Surely that would be a good indicator of their actual desirability? The later is more a question for Barrie to consider.
I thought it would be amusing to imagine an alternative world where EVs were the legacy vehicles and ICE cars were the new kids on the block. Here are my reasons why I won’t buy an ICE vehicle. 1: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until I can fuel it at home. 2: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until it starts raining fuel that I can collect from my roof and fuel my vehicle for free. 3: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they are as energy efficient as an EV (they need to improve by 200-300% 4: Remember when the air in our cities was pure and clean, I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they solve the problem of exhaust emissions. 5: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle because the vast majority of ICE vehicles are slow and anything faster is more expensive and generally very noisy. 6: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they solve the fire issues; ICE vehicles are 20 times more likely to experience a fire than an EV. 7: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they can be built to require as little maintenance as an EV! Oil changes, filter changes, brake pads and disks that wear prematurely, spark plugs, cam belt changes at 100,000 miles, the list goes on and on. 8: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until some of the really stupid issues are solved. Brakes are used on EVs to stop in an emergency, on an ICE vehicle they are mainly used to just throw away energy. Likewise the cooling system, a whole sub system water pumps and radiators etc. with just one purpose, to throw away expensive energy. Which idiot invented such nonsense? 9: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they are as cheap to run as an EV I can run my EV for 2p per mile ICE cars cost 8 to 10 times as much. 10: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until I can plug it in and leave it while I get a coffee and have a toilet break instead of having to stand over the fuel intake breathing in noxious fumes. 11: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they are as good to drive as an EV, all this switching of feet from accelerator to brake and back making town driving an absolute nightmare. Manual transmission, take my advice don’t go there! 12: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they bring in laws to stop these idiots who drive 400 miles, then stop to refuel spending just 5 minutes breathing in noxious gasses before going another 400 miles, dear God what is wrong with these people? This must be dangerous. 13: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they give decent warranties on the engines like 8 years and 100,000 miles! Have you seen the price of replacement engines? They certainly won’t last the hundreds of thousand miles an EV can do. 14: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they are as reliable in cold weather, those poor little 12v batteries trying to turn over a cold heavy engine, bound to fail in cold weather. 15: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until I can schedule the cabin to be warm and cosy in winter or cool in summer when I get in. 16: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until I can find one my wife might want to drive. I think you get the message I won’t be buying an ICE vehicle anytime soon. Why would you?
Last week I saw a line of teslas charging one owners was walking around like basil faulty, very entertaining.
Save the planet … Unplug EVs if no-one is using them !
Hitting a Tesla with a tree branch🤣Priceless...
It would explode:)@@thisisnumber0
Happy New year Mr C
Happy new year! to you too
Good on you with your knowledgeable videos taking time to put these together, my mission in life is to never ever sit foot in an ev ,ill stick to my gc63 amg ,no lekki car can put a smile on my face ,sounds unbelievable, £120 a year to tax and free ulez gas guzzling v8😂
yer gas guzzler, just puts a big smile on,
a very rich Saudi Arabians face, who then subsidises the building of a massive Mosque, in your local area, with some of yer hard earned, that you paid to fill up with, "well done you hey, or maybe not"
At some point mate you will be landed with some horrendous sized repair bills! Only a daft twat would condemn anything without even trying one! Your opinion on EVS isn't worth Jack shit because you have so ignorantly opined on it after admitting you know nothing! Now we all know you are as thick as mince.
The algorithm in a new EV limits battery range to between 20 to 80 % ( below 20% and above 80% the battery chemistry is degraded normally an EV will shut off charging at 80% and this has to be overridden by owner ) - but as the battery ages and loses capacity the algorithm allows areas below 20 % and above 80% to be used, this will increase rate of battery damage - so battery capacity degradation is not linear, it is a vicious circle, 'the worse it gets, the worse it gets'...
Given that profit margins for petrol stations are so tight ( hence the mini markets ), and as EV's take more share of the market, how long before petrol stations either shut or stop selling petrol, and ICE vehicle owners face range/filling anxiety, and we effectively have the worst of both worlds ?
I think we all know it's going down the Dieselgate road, just a matter of time.
And EV fools to realise.
Flying cars next, running on unicorn poo??
Starting to look that way Philip, its easy to do as my Mother used to say 'there's one born every minute' !!!!
Yeah I saw a Unicorn las week it was charging its brilliant EV two things that are rare
With virtually all major manufacturers recalling tens of thousands if EV's due to battery safety issues I can't see how anyone can say its not a major issue ?
"buying a pig in a poke" is exactly what you doing when buying an EV. Piglets purchased at the annual fair in bags upon opening later to discover a cat (hence "to let the cat out of the bag" was to reveal the secret)
All the info needed on battery degradation is available from the car. How the hell do manufacturers get away with not making it available via the cars displays?
they programmed the ecu on some diesels to fiddle the emissions results, of course they wouldn't do similar with battery information, would they
VW were fined millions and took a big hit to their reputation, you think other manufacturers of EV diesel or petrol cars will lightly follow them down that road.
Testing an average of 7000 individual cells connected in parallel and series groups is pretty impossible... The failure of even one cell in a group puts extra stress on the remaining cells and accelerates battery degradation. Also no good dissembling a battery ( a very dangerous job ) and replacing individual cells or groups because the remaining cells will all still be the original age of the battery. The fact is the whole battery needs to be replaced - at massive cost.
If only takes ONE failing cell!!?”
Happy New Year, Chief
Cheers
"Not eligible to be claimed on" = worthless
@@nickyoung4799 yes, its like a get out clause for them now.
Fantastic job Barrie, it seems there is much ambiguity when it comes to these battery health reports, almost like smoke and mirrors.
I totally trust these battery tests..just like my laptop says battery is 100% charged and only lasts 10mins 😂 if my PC cannot even check 2 or 3 cells accurately what magic are they using to check every single one of the 7000+ cells?
It is called 'the crossed fingers' EV battery App
I got my first EV 3 weeks ago. And I've already covered 2000 miles. But it's a company car. I'm not going to buy an EV unless there are proper certified battery tests, plus extended battery warranties lasting 15 years and 200,000 miles. If the batteries are as good as they say, surely the extended battery warranties won't be expensive. The car manufacturers have to offer this.
The problem is they are completely meaningless numbers that tell you absolutely nothing.
Aviloo is a software based report not a battery test then isn’t it? The first Cupra you looked at didn’t have its battery run down to 10% as it only has 4 miles on it!
Sounds like a computer model of battery health to me, we all know how effective these are! EVs are a result of one driving gov policy, and let’s not forget lockdowns were based on decisions made after considering a model.
@@simplyr62so all computer modelling (past and present) is now invalid according to your logic 😂 ?
Wht don't we have an ice oil certificate: 1, we can check the oil health ourselves using the dipstick and eyes and nose, 2, the service history literally contains the oil change history, 3, a fresh oil change costs 50 quid vs a battery change which is 2k -6k quid.
and what happens when the price of petrol doubles,
due to the increase of EVs on the road
and the Government slapping a CO2 tax on ICE vehicles fuels.
What happens when they have to find a way to tax EVs because they are losing 53p on every litre of petrol that’s not being sold? People like you are so gullible, ideal EV fodder!
@LondonOrganicKevin the master plan is to bring in a carbon allocation and the ev is necessary because, like the smart meter, it can be turned off remotely. To make that happen the gov under instructions from the world bankers will do whatever to raise the cost of ice so; yeah, expect oil, parts, tyres, taxes and fuel to all go up as they are manipulated to help bring in this rather nefarious plan. Only in Germanic origin countries though for some reason. It sucks but as nobody is going for the ev switch the plan is stumbling at every turn.
"Not eligible to be claimed on" = worthless
@@LondonOrganicKevin Would go up a bit if far less is sold, but it would mean the shutting of some Fuel stations and leaving the rest to operate at a bit of profit still.
But don't expect to see you're dream come true in the next 15 years!
The Gov. and previous one has created a complete mess and are nowhere near their own targets!
Where are the plans, let alone actual installation of chargers for residential car parks???
Well, there is one apparently, but it states it wants to increase 10 fold the access to on-street charging to street parked residents and for residential parking bays, with grants covering 75% (up to £350 lol) of the cost, by 2030!
That's a 10 fold increase on virtually ZERO! Great!!
The Gov. are so far out on this it's scary!
Happy New year 🎈
Your a gooden Mr C 🇬🇧
Happy new year!
I can explain the over 100% SoH: The SoH is calculated on the "usable" battery, but batteries have a buffer / more capacity. Some say it's to prevent them from fully draining, but IMO it's kinda obvious that manufacturers want to sell/re sell them early on with "90%+" SoH. After all, if it were in the 80s, most people would start to think about the degredation over say 3 years / 30k miles.
I recognize the wording used by Aviloo and it sounds very similar to my "collegues" in consulting, which is a clear giveaway of something fishy going on.
I did read that during an evacuation Tesla updated their EVs remotely and gave them more range, I was waiting for one of the people who call me a liar, etc to come up with an answer, but they never do that, all they are good for is calling people names that they don’t agree with, so thanks for your explanation 👍
I think many know that a simple volts flash test does not mean much ; you have to strain test?
The only way to 100% verify a single cell integrity is through internal resistance test. Due to EV battery design that test is impossible to perform. Each individual cell has the be checked one at a time because the parallel circuitry in a battery bank can only measure the total internal resistance of a mass of cells. If one cell is bad or open it would hardly register much internal resistance difference. The buss bars in the battery are designed to break and go open if the failing cell becomes too much to work with.
It's not necessary to verify every cell independently though. EV packs typically have 96-100 cells connected in series to get the 400V, and then those series sets are connected in parallel. The capacity of each series-connected set of cells is the capacity of the weakest of them, so if one cell starts to fail the overall pack capacity will drop by the capacity of that cell and all the series-sets in parallel with it. Also, the voltages will become unbalanced. The management system will notice that. It can't tell exactly which cell is failing for sure, but it will know that there is a problem. So if the management system says the battery pack is OK, then it probably is.
Even if a 'proper' test is done, any EV is one faulty cell away from the cost of battery replacement. I suppose that one might say the same for ICE cars, as for example a failed cam belt might mean a new engine, but as you say we are familiar with ICE technology and there are precautions (such as cam belt replacement) we can take to minimise such risks. With EVs there are no such precautions to take with respect to ensuring maximum battery life. It seems to me as though there will be quite a few companies coming into the market with snake oil products designed to make cash out of buyers who are worried about battery life.
You think cam belt replacement is a good thing? Are you nuts you are telling me ICE cars are designed to fail. Batteries usually have an 8 year warranty, what warranty does your engine have?
So what if you have a faulty cell, you get it replaced, back on the road, then another one goes? False economy and a really stupid idea, if one cell goes, you can bet more will go soon, they’ve all had the same treatment
@BarrieCrampton Have you any evidence for this? I suspect not like so many other if your comments you just make stuff up to reflect yours and this channels bias. They probably won't just one cell anyway
You buy pistons in sets, it is false economy to replace one, thanks again for proving yet another point of mine
I’m afraid yet again you are wrong, our workshops have cylinders rebored, crankshafts reground, camshafts re profiled, valves re round and reseated, valve seats inserted, you don’t know what you are talking about, but you know what our workshop won’t do? They won’t work on EVs, now just be quiet and stop polluting my timeline with your inane drivel
If the Flash test is so accurate why the disclaimer that it is "for information only and are NOT eligible to be claimed on" with the word NOT in capitals and emphasiased?
Are they NOT confident in their own test results?
It's my understanding the state of health is a clue to its remaining range. It doesn't tell you if it will drop dead in 5 years or 5 weeks.
It will be replaced under the 8-year warranty If it does 'drop dead'. What would happen with a petrol engine if it died after 5 years?
@@Hitstirrer If you assume the battery will be replaced under warranty in the first 8 years that's great. The less well-off might be buying their car when it's 8 years old already. Presumably we don't care about those people.
@@chrisyoung7157 Do you care about the guy who eventually buys your petrol car when it's 8 years old? What's the difference? Or are you just seeking to virtue signal how 'caring' you are?
@@Hitstirrer I have a 17 year old son who has just bought his first car, a 17 year old Mitsubishi. The car appears to be very good and well looked after for its age. Where is the equivalent going to be in the EV utopia? I suspect a 17 year old EV will be lucky to drag itself to the end of the street. Will it only be rich people's kids that can afford a car? I tend to find virtue signallers among the EV pushers who can't wait to get on a jet to go on holiday.
@@chrisyoung7157 Well, as EVs have only been around some 12 years in any serious numbers that would be hard to find. However, using Autotrader filtered to find electric cars it pops up with 23 cars that are 12 years old priced from £1500, and 100 x 10-year-old cars that offer good value. Hardly out of the price of young drivers unless they want a real petrol banger. Over time as the electric car fleet gets bigger there will be a wider selection at all prices. Even some of the very early 2010 EVs will still be around to buy.
Battery degradation based on my limited experience as an aircraft engineer (test or NiCad aircraft batteries 747/767) requires batteries to be tested under a heavy load (a big current draw like a lead acid battery test by auto electricians) !
According to the AviPoo reports max current draw is 1.4 amps!!!! 400v x 1.4amps = 560 watts.
Can anyone advise me if my logic is wrong please? Barrie has hit a gold mine on these reports! Well done.
Thank you 👍
Most of us knew Dr Who wasn't real.
You don't have to drive the car to test the battery. The tester can apply various loads via electronic means to check the health of the battery. That is one advantage of batteries: they are very easy to assess for health.
However, the lack of detail in Aviloo's claims about how they perform their tests gives serious cause for concern. Anyone can come up with a 'detailed report', but that has nothing to do with the actual state of the subject of the report.
Leaving batteries standing does them no harm unless they are discharged through parasitic loads to below their minimum voltage where they require care in charging and will lose capacity.
Using batteries is the prime cause of degradation.
Also, 102% is possible against a 'standard battery'. An ICE car may have more horsepower than the manufacturer claims due to tolerances in manufacturing. You don't distrust that figure, you accept the variance.
This is Snake Oil Salesmanship while you were reading the Tester details the section History sounded Alarm bells. If and its a big if the chargers store information on the charging of all cars, then it would be possible to deduce how often High Voltage charging was used ( this could be done if this information is collected). Then the manufacturer could say right mostly low voltage home charging so we calculate that the battery has been slowly charged and the battery heath should have depleted so far. Conversely if most charging has been on high voltage chargers then the battery should be depleted to this far. If this information is not available then there is no test that can give an accurate battery health. Funny the BCA will not give these tests as a guarantee.
102 % because it started with a few percent over listed capacity to ensure its atleast 100% allowing some error in manufacturing.
One bank of cells are over 150 millivolts out either higher or lower than the other cells. On electric scooters and lithium leisure batteries you can manually balance it.
Perhaps a rolling road to stress test the battery would be a more useful quick test.
Is this a standardised test or a manufacturer's interpretation of health? If its open to interpretation and another testing tool comes to market, they need to interpret exactly the same way or its pointless. Either way, if the health is anything other than the highest then its a no from me...the battery won't get any better.
The example you showed, the corsa, 3 miles, the test required 100% SoC, so without splitting hairs, how can they say 3 miles, one would guess thats 30 miles by now?
I am interested in how the battery has been treated, so thats how many cycles its been through, how many full charges, how many fast charges.
I suspect the exclamation mark vehicle with 184mV variation between cells the test is if variation between cells is
I'd rather 'av a loo than 'av an EV.
I wouldn't even trade what's deposited in a loo for an EV. You'd just be swapping one pile of crap for an even bigger one.
Now you have no home insurance if you have anEV on your front or drive
😂 Another lie that gets passed around
Are you sure ? Pretty sure my house and car insurance are still valid. Your sanity however ....
@@PiecenotwarDepends on the insurance company,some do allow ,some don't ....but it's getting worse month by month.
@@befungedCheck the small print ,on some they have hidden exclusion clauses if you charge in an integral garage for example ...others don't care - so far(:
@@paulnewman9275which insurers?
It's all hokus pokus, designed to confuse.
Nobody even managed to make an accurate battery tester for the humble 12 v lead acid battery that has been around for hundreds of years, and on average contains 3 , 6 or12 2 volt cells, all connected in series, should be easy to test, right
Have you seen any crash test of EV's by any manufacturers??
Are you implying crash tests don't happen? The transport research laboratory test every car for sale in the UK.
Eh, you should try checking out a site called UA-cam which has videos from the little known Euro ENCAP crash tests. It's on teh internets.
Batteries need to be tested under load to give a correct result. Otherwise they can mask internal faults.
My old boss has bought brand new lorries in the past and we even trust the batteries on those .
As an electronics guy the problem I see with this "test" is its just reading the data the vehicle is showing/giving out, and as these things are now rolling computers that can be programmed to "look" any way they want it to, so they could have it "showing" 50% but its actually 40% then when it gets to 10% they acn make the rate of loss go to double what it was levelling them off when nearing 0%, this might make battery health results look better than what they actually are especially as i'd imagine they are typically done when nearer the fully charged mark.
Thats probably why a Tesla's real world vs estimated ranges are off by a bit
so IMO thats not a "real world" test IMO, a real test would be a load test where a large consistent load of say 10kw is placed on the battery and its measured over time and battery health is extrapolated from that data of voltage and current draw and remaining charge.
ICE cars have been made for over 100 years but the manufacturers still introduce faults with new designs
Porsche Booster/911 water cooled engines, Ford wet cam belt etc
All of them will cost a fortune to fix it they go wrong
How does driving the vehicle test the battery when the range will depend upon how its driven, terrain, temperature, weather etc?
Writing this on a Samsung S23 uses a Lithium-ion battery. Apparently, Tesla uses lithium-ion batteries...my point is. Every phone i have ever had, eventually loses its charge,faster and faster as it ages....hence the main reason I have too change.. this happens in 2/3yrs.....
Yeah, but you charge your phone every day, possibly more than once. In 3 years you'll get through the equivalent of more than 500 full charges. On an EV that's close to 100k miles of driving.
@@15bit62 So after 3 years a typical company car EV is landfill .... wonderful.
@@paulnewman9275 No more so than any other car - most cars are starting to face serious bills around 120k miles, with suspension, brakes, bearings and other mechanicals all wearing out. And they are at that point where even minor damage is an insurance write-off. In short, the battery will easily outlast the rest of the car in most cases. Especially for high mileage drivers.
@15bit62 Absolute rubbish ...I've had many cars do over 200,000 miles with no major problems. Even if you had a major overhaul at say 120k it might cost 5k ...a new battery is 15-40k....end of days for the vehicle.
So many new batteries failing already , 40,000 vehicles from Porsche,Audi and Jaguar alone ... most will be written off.
Currently EV's are an environmental nightmare ,a ticking time ...maybe they will get better but for now they are a sad joke.
@@paulnewman9275 Yes, but the batteries don't fail at 120k miles - that's the point. You point to your cell phone as proof that EV batteries won't last more than 3 years, but that's nonsense (the 8 year warranty offered on all EV batteries should be your first clue to this). Cell phones are recharged massively more frequently than cars, they don't have a thermal management system and they are often used in ways that accelerate degradation (100% charging every night especially). And even then they last 500 cycles or more. With the decent management you get in an EV and the more sympathetic usage cycle (charging to 70-80% most days, proper thermal management) the lifetime will greatly exceed this in most cases. For sure a failed battery pack at 100k miles will be an economic write-off, but then so is a blown engine or gearbox.
Most of those Jag/Porsche recalls won't be written off. They will trace batch numbers on the packs/cells, replace the ones that need replacing and owners will keep their cars. The packs that are swapped out will most probably get re-purposed for some storage/buffering application working in a restricted capacity window. If not, they will get recycled. I admit it's not good publicity though, and i don't think they are handling it well either.
You are welcome to believe that EVs are a sad joke if you like, but i struggle to see that. Compared to a diesel they are for sure compromised in terms of range and price, but i wouldn't be able to drive mine round from central Norway to central England every summer if they were so awful.
What about the buyer, they have just throw their money down the drain, no one can find a split battery cell???
If ev batteries were a safe bet, it would be poossible to buy battery insurance/warranty for to cover your battery for several years ahead. Obviously the ev customers realise they are shouldering that risk and it is scaring them so much they are not purchasing. They are right to be scared in my opinion until battery refurbishment companies become prevalent and the cost becomes more known.
You do realise that you don't need to buy one for 8 years as it's already covered by the manufacturer warranty ?
Lol you're great mate I watch you're videos and I agree with everything u state. Its common sense really. Electric vehicles have there place. But they are definitely not the answer . What happens to millions of elec cars after 10 years no one knows. There is many 30 year old cars out there. I worked in the trade for awhile as a car buyer. And Electric cars scare me. Keep it up pal I need a laugh everyday.😅
Thanks was not aware about that , why is ab ev much more expesive to hire than a petrol ? If they are so cheap ?
Well said Barry, what a lot of BS
102.4-% 👇👇
Battery state of charge is determined by the cell voltage and internal resistance, all that is controlled through the BMS(battery management system, the thing you have is just a software calculation not an invasive test.
EVs and a lot of lithium batteries are never fully charged to 100% or discharged to 0% this is to protect the cells from premature damage.
So I assume when a manufacturer states a vehicle has a 60kwh battery for example, only 50kwh of it is useable energy, 102.4% is just over the 80%of its useable capacity not 102.4% of total capacity.
That is my assumption on it.
Plus all this information is already available from the vehicle on board diagnostic systems.
The caveat I will add to that is…vehicle manufacturers will fully anticipate the battery to drop to 90% of useable capacity in a few years then level off, SO they may include software to compensate for that aswell, so when it says 100% of usable capacity it may in reality be 90% of usable capacity.
I think a better and clear solution is to state calculated expected range, if new it was 400 miles but now it’s 5 years old and the range is 350 miles for example the customer has a clear indication of how far they can drive.
I’m a big advocate for EVs, my background is as a vehicle technician and I believe EVs have a huge amount to offer owners, much much cheaper to run and own and require virtually zero maintenance.
Drive Green, used EV specialists, do this
My 2022 BEV's battery is failing again. After it was exchanged on warranty a year ago.
But BEVangelists teach us that they should last for decades - could it be that they are wrong and that lithium batteries age like lithium batteries?
What kind of car and what's the failure?
@@befunged Currently the battery isn't charged fully anyore. Theres a very high difference in voltage between accelerating and rekuperating, pointing to high internal resistence. (compared to when it was new).
After taking it from the charger and using it, the voltage also drops off significantly and the motor is not provided full power.
The effective range now with these issues as well as the cold winter and additional payload is down to 1/3 the nominal value.
Battery is now half a year old.
@@svr5423what's the car ? Why hasn't the replacement been fixed under the 8 year battery warranty? Why don't you reject the car if the repair has failed ?
@@befunged it's an VMAX R25 E-Scooter. The warranty is only 2 years and it has already expired.
Currently my trusty Hyundai i30 petrol car is covering short distance travel. Its superior lead acid battery has no issues in winter and is already over 7 years in service.
@@svr5423 lol, no wonder you were saying BEV and not admitting what vehicle you were talking about. 😂😂😂
Looks like Aviloo report is about as informative as the Assured report. Complete money grab by Aviloo & BCA
An EV battery will degrade capacity on average 4% per year, that is if everything is perfect.. Fast charging, running battery below 20% and charging above 80% all degrade battery quicker.
So you had a look at some battery tests, and because the battery state of heaths are higher than you expected, the tests aren’t worth the paper they’re written on? I bet you’d agree with them if they all said 60%
lol you didn’t watch the video did you?
@ I did, I saw a car with almost 80k miles on with only 6% of battery degradation. I also saw a faulty battery with an exclamation mark that could be easily repaired on warranty
Everyone is going Green! Yes that reminds me! Don't make me angry! You won't like me when I'm angry! He went very Green! Imagine selling him an EV!
Do they make IED detectors?
It's not just the battery condition it should also be logged and listed how it's been charged, fast charging damages the battery life quicker.
Aviloo receives €millions in subsidies from the EU 'green investment' deal!
Is that right?
@BarrieCrampton I googled 'who owns Aviloo' then go down the list until you get to how it's funded.
@ thanks
Its a BIG NO from me
Oil test? Oil pressure is usually a good indicator of engine condition, plus simply use your ears and eyes! Any blue, black or white smoke?
A battery test tells you the condition, like your oil pressure, yes batteries can fail though not often, but the cambelt or one of a hundred things can fail 10 seconds after your oil pressure smoke test.
@ Even if the engine fails, it can usually be easily be replaced with an engine from a scrapyard for a reasonable cost. Not so EV batteries! Try finding someone prepared to do the work for a start.
We are talking very unusual events. If I had a car that was over 8 years old or had done 100,000 miles and the engine was a total failure, I would not be spending money replacing the engine. @WeAreAllDoomed-n5i
When I buy a used iPhone I can access the battery health so why don’t they do the same on a used EV, it’s no different .
Sounds like snake oil to me. Best to avoid EVs altogether, and just stick with tried and tested petrol & diesel vehicles.
Tested and found to pollute much more than legally allowed to. Those tried and tested vehicles ?
@@befunged You're a little out of touch there EVangelist, let me help you out. In the late 1990s, a scientific study measured what came out the exhaust of a 996 series Porsche 911 (that's a petrol car by the way), and found that it was actually cleaner than the air going in through the engine's air intake. The internal combustion engine was made ultra-clean 30 years ago, unlike those dirty, planet destroying, fire prone EV things that you like. Hope this helps, love from a Petrol Head.
By the way, you should try a petrol car sometime. You'd absolutely love how convenient it is. Fuel fill-ups in 3 minutes, and at least 600 mile range on a full tank. And they don't catch fire, or depreciate like a stone. Knocks your silly EV into a cocked hat, doesn't it? You'll never want to go back to electric ever again. Petrol is absolutely brilliant. It's the future.
Oooof....😬😝
It looks very much to me that they are fiddling the figure, to suit the manufacturers narrative.?
it's just another money making scam for a rich people.
Until a battery for EVs is built that doesn't degrade I'll stick to ICE cars thanks. Ar least I know that if I get it serviced regularly someone will buy it off me when I want to sell it.
EVs are Bomb's 😮
Quick test? Charge to 100% and drive down to 10%?? Quick?How many dealers have time to do this?
Ones that actually care about selling something that has been tested ?
@ Good luck finding one who can afford to waste so much time.
@WeAreAllDoomed-n5igood luck finding one who gives a toss what they're selling you more like
Barry how many batteries have you replaced so far?
If you bought an old Nissan leaf with a range left of 30!40 miles it wouldn't be worth more than £2 to £ 3K which would get you to work cheaper than your £9K Ami. But send it to cleverly you can get a 40 kw battery installed for not a lot of money, it even a 20 kw extender battery in the boot. The car would then be worth a lot more and you sell it for a profit. But all the new EVs have massive battery warranties and they have a proper cooling/ heating system, which gives them the longevity
Why dont you point out all bad ice car problems. The ingenium rover engine, the french puretec engine, the horrendous cost of repairing the bmw mini, and all the other stinkers you know about! Your still selling all these cars aren't you? You don't tell customers what you know, do you? If you did you wouldn't sell most of the cars you have in stock.
I do, but we only buy the best
There's a reason why (1) no state of health given on complex internal combustion engines, (2) very few OEMs willing to stand behind their internal combustion engines beyond 3 years, but ARE willing to give 8 years on traction batteries, and (3),why the motor trade make most of their money maintaining and repairing those internal combustion engines.....
Times they are a changing.
@@mccarthymccarthy1 😂
Eight year warranty on battery? Tell that to Porsche owners who cannot get either house or car insurance, because the damned Porsche is a fire risk!
@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i whenever I apply for house insurance, the online form never asks me whether I have an electric Porsche on my driveway. So how does that happen? 🤔
@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i They will all get new batteries. That's how a warranty works.
@15bit62 except they are not having to replace all the batteries. And that's why they are all happy to give 8 year warranties. And that's the real world. If the doom mongers' stories were true, they'd be loads of batteries being replaced and the OEMs would be spending a shed load on replacement ones. But they're not. So all is good.
Everyday you post about EVs . Moan moan moan. If people don’t like them then don’t buy them, it’s that simple. Have EVs got to you in a big way.
If you watched and listened to my videos you would know why, if you don’t like it, don’t watch, simple
Its called "the other side of the story", as every day we are having EV and related climate stories pushed at us from all mainstream media and nearly all political parties. So "moan, moan, moan" is an antidote to the highly questionable claims that car users could actually make a meaningful difference to natures current warming (however much that may be). If it really was as simple as "if you don't like them then don't buy them", then most people would not buy. However, the bias is such that in the not too distant future some people would have us do away with any alternative. EV's will be great for some situations and people, as Barry frequently says. If they are cleaner, over the whole life-cycle, that's great. Pushing EV's as the be all and end all is just wrong and Barry makes this clear.
I like EV's but don't mind hearing Barries opinion and have llearnt a few things.
I still like EV's btw and am planning on buying my first one this month.
@@BarrieCrampton Out of interest Barrie, have you owned or lived with an EV for any length of time?
@ I’ve had 5, so yes, love EVs hate liars
I think I said in your last video that you were coming across as a bit thick. In this one you seem to be coming across as just ignorant.
@@jaypr69 that’s very kind of you to say, and your comments even if they were true, say a lot more about the kind of person you are, than it does about me, I would rather be thick an ignorant than swap places with you, happy new year 👍
I’ve had a range of petrol and diesel cars and now I have a secondhand EV. Will I buy another one I don’t know, but I’m not petty like you pretending all EV’s and their owners are the devil. I bought mine because at the time it was £0 Road tax £0 congestion charge (yes I know that changes this year). I also like that you don’t have a catalytic converter for someone to steal,
no water pump, clutch, gearbox, fuel pump, alternator, radiator timing belt or engine issues either. Plus there is longer between services.
Pretty sure evs have cooling systems, air con, suspension, brakes, transfer gearboxes, so lots of things to service and lots of lovely electronics to play up. Plus a very expensive battery that no one yet has experience of owning long term. Let's face facts few will buy an ev when the battery approaches end of warranty from a seller who cannot show the state of health.
@jaypr69
You aren't petty but are happy calling someone stating his ignorance and asking for information as thick?
And note you specifically say you bought the EV you have because of the financial incentives.
You also add that the impossibility of having an expensive catalytic converter stolen is an advantage. Certainly true, the thought occurs to me, how often are BEV cars stolen? Surely that would be a good indicator of their actual desirability? The later is more a question for Barrie to consider.
Oh dear, I have an EV too, but I don’t like liars and I just tell the truth as I see it, unfortunately it seems that you take it the wrong way
I thought it would be amusing to imagine an alternative world where EVs were the legacy vehicles and ICE cars were the new kids on the block.
Here are my reasons why I won’t buy an ICE vehicle.
1: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until I can fuel it at home.
2: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until it starts raining fuel that I can collect from my roof and fuel my vehicle for free.
3: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they are as energy efficient as an EV (they need to improve by 200-300%
4: Remember when the air in our cities was pure and clean, I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they solve the problem of exhaust emissions.
5: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle because the vast majority of ICE vehicles are slow and anything faster is more expensive and generally very noisy.
6: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they solve the fire issues; ICE vehicles are 20 times more likely to experience a fire than an EV.
7: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they can be built to require as little maintenance as an EV! Oil changes, filter changes, brake pads and disks that wear prematurely, spark plugs, cam belt changes at 100,000 miles, the list goes on and on.
8: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until some of the really stupid issues are solved. Brakes are used on EVs to stop in an emergency, on an ICE vehicle they are mainly used to just throw away energy. Likewise the cooling system, a whole sub system water pumps and radiators etc. with just one purpose, to throw away expensive energy. Which idiot invented such nonsense?
9: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they are as cheap to run as an EV I can run my EV for 2p per mile ICE cars cost 8 to 10 times as much.
10: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until I can plug it in and leave it while I get a coffee and have a toilet break instead of having to stand over the fuel intake breathing in noxious fumes.
11: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they are as good to drive as an EV, all this switching of feet from accelerator to brake and back making town driving an absolute nightmare. Manual transmission, take my advice don’t go there!
12: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they bring in laws to stop these idiots who drive 400 miles, then stop to refuel spending just 5 minutes breathing in noxious gasses before going another 400 miles, dear God what is wrong with these people? This must be dangerous.
13: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they give decent warranties on the engines like 8 years and 100,000 miles! Have you seen the price of replacement engines? They certainly won’t last the hundreds of thousand miles an EV can do.
14: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until they are as reliable in cold weather, those poor little 12v batteries trying to turn over a cold heavy engine, bound to fail in cold weather.
15: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until I can schedule the cabin to be warm and cosy in winter or cool in summer when I get in.
16: I won’t buy an ICE vehicle until I can find one my wife might want to drive.
I think you get the message I won’t be buying an ICE vehicle anytime soon. Why would you?